1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to aaccfoundation dot org. Again, that's 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: your host, and each week I come to you exclusively 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: on the Life Audio podcast Network. I'm proud to partner 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: with Life Audio and bring you entertaining, life changing, family 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: friendly podcasts for a new generation. I Built Different. Our 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: mission is to provide encouragement, hope, and challenge to help 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: push you past your limits and reach goals you never 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So, then, just 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: lives in Him, rooted and built up in Him. Amen. 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: Now let's roll Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: Different Podcast. As always, I'll be your host today, doctor 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: Zach Clinton, And let me start out by saying this, 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: It's been a tough go over the last several years. 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: I would say that division is at an all time high. 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: A lot of conflict. People are outraged. Unity feels pretty 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: leading and fragile, But we don't need more opinions in 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: this hour. We need more conviction and we need more 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: courageous leadership. Today's guest is someone that knows that calling 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: very well. Bishop Kelvin Coberis was a child prodigy pastor. 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: He started preaching at the age of five years old. 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: God had this calling on his life. But what's fascinating 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: about him and his story is not when he started, 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: but how he has sustained this conviction, this calling, this 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: courage throughout generational years. And so what I want to 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: chat and chat about today is what does it look 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: like to bring unity back into culture? What does it 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: look like to create love that is based in standing 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: on truth. Bishop Calvin Colberis continues to lead, and he 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: served in various capacities among the Big SA Church, but 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: continues to lead now as the lead pastor of New 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 2: Life Church International alongside of his wife Dedre. On top 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: of that, he's the founder and president of Bridge Builders 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: Network and organization committed to uniting cultures and generations for 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: the advancement of God's kingdom and fulfilling the prayer of 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: christ in John, Chapter seventeen, verse twenty one, Father, make 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: us one. Life's work is centered on racial harmony, reconciliation, 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: in building bridges in a time when so many are 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: burning them. Bishop Kelvin Coberis, I hope you know this. 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: The Clintons have a lot of love for the Colberts family. 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: Michka dog Zech love you gu Bishop. 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: You know again, it's been a tough go the last 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: several years. You brought up the word conflict before we 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: even pressed record on this. Just so many different things 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: that are happening, whether it's school shootings, whether it's racial tension, 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: whether it's the political divide, whether it's war's outrage, anger, 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: whenever it is. People are hurting, people are broken like 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: never before. I'd love just to start up the conversation 56 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: what concerns you in this hour before we get to 57 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: maybe what encourages you well? 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: As you know the Bible Rights Timothy says in the 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: last days, perilous time shall come. And when there is peril, 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: that is a parent that means that we are exposed 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: to risks. And that's exactly what's happening here. We find 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: that the love of men are waxing cold and from 63 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: that coldheartedness is creating a divide that the enemy. 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Is celebrating, because that's what he's all about. 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: Because if we're divided against one another, we can take 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: our eyes off the real enemy, which is him where 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: we should be targeting. And I believe we're just living 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: in a dark hour where everybody is so confused with 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: the chaos and the calamities and the confusion that if 70 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: we just own back, pull back for a moment, step 71 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: back from our opinions and our feelings. 72 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: And whatever made us feel the way. 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: We feel, and step back and see our common places 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: and common goals, we can get alan, we can heal, 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: and we can move forward as the people that God 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: designed us. 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: To be exactly what we were designed for unity, We 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: were designed to live as one body under Christ. And 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: so this idea, though there seems to be also a stirring. 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: Although there's a lot of divide, there's a lot of division, 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of outrage, there's a lot of hatred 82 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: in the world today, there's also a lot of light. 83 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of hunger, there's a lot of thirst 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: for truth, for righteousness sake, and we're seeing it, especially 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: amongst the next generations. Bible sales are up like never before. 86 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: You can't even keep them in stores. Anywhere you see 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: this revival breaking out, whether it was Asbury College, whether 88 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: it's in the movies and the box offices, whether it's 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Southeastern University just last week as of this recording, revival 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: is here, Bishop. What encourages you in the midst of 91 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: all the chaos. We'll dive deeper into all that today, 92 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: But what is encouraging you in this cultural hour? 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: What encourages me? Second Chronicle seven fourteen. 94 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: If my people who will call by my name, humble themselves, pray, 95 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: seek my face, turn from their wicked ways out here 96 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: from my father, and hen forgive their sins to heal 97 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: their land. And that's exactly what gos Sans people are 98 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: doing right now. We are turning to him. We're realizing that, hey, 99 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: we're not perfect. Maybe we've had some things we need 100 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: to adjusting this, we're repenting and we're saying God, more 101 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 3: than policy, more than government, more than our professions and money, 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: we need you. And what I love the most is 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: being led by students, and just last week at Southeastern 104 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: University to know that class has ended in revival. Revival 105 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: is none stops consistent, and it's all over the world 106 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: in different pockets where our young people are rising up 107 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: and saying, hey, thank God for what the old timers 108 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: has done. But we're standing on their shoulders and we're 109 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: taking this thing up a notch and we're taking America 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: back for God. 111 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: I know that there have been many people that have 112 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: influenced the courageous leader that you are today. And I 113 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: know that you hosted a Martin Luther King Junior event 114 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: and my dad you invited my dad to be a 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: part of And you know this idea that darkness cannot 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: expel darkness, only light can do that. And so in 117 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: a time where there is a lot of darkness all 118 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: around us, in some times it can be difficult to 119 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: deal with. Bishop talk to us about what does it 120 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: look like to actually be a light in this hour? 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think being a light in this hour is 122 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: being intentional. 123 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: I mean, we can always talk about who's hateful, who's racist, 124 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 3: who's a bigot, who is this, who's creating confusion, whatever 125 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: the case may be. But I choose to find the 126 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: positive out of every negative occurrence. 127 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: No matter what is happening in the world. 128 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: I'm looking for Jesus, I'm looking for his love, I'm 129 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: looking for his light. And I realized in looking for it, 130 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: it's in me. And so since the light of the 131 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: world lives on the inside of me, it's up to 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: me to create the intentional conversation, the intentional connect the 133 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: intention of communication, to even walking rooms where I might 134 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: be hated, it might be disliked because of my convictions 135 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: and my stance and still try to find common ground, 136 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 3: because that's what Jesus said, that if you love me, 137 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: you got to love your neighbor and love your as yourself. 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: And if you don't love your neighbor, you can't really 139 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: say that you love God. 140 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: And I like this idea of intentionality, right, being intentional 141 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: to look for You don't just get out of life 142 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: what you put into it. You get out of life 143 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: what you look for in it. It's the law of attraction. 144 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: It's this idea. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. And I 145 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: think so often in times we don't look for God 146 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: in certain areas, and so of course if we're not 147 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: looking for him, we're not going to find it. I 148 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: remember Mark Patterson once said that you can assess the 149 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: spiritual maturity of a man or a woman by whether 150 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: or not they can see the miraculous in the midst 151 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: of the monotonous. And so even in these hard and 152 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: difficult times, if we're looking for God again, you will 153 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: surely find and Bishop, leadership is something that you're passionate about. 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: God has gifted you and entrusted you with a lot 155 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: of leadership, a lot of stewardship, a lot of shepherding. 156 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: And when I look at you and I think of 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: the passion that just exudes out of you, it's so palpable. 158 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: Anytime you walk in the room, I mean, I'm ready 159 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: to roll, I'm ready to jump in the box and 160 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: ring with your Bishop. This idea here for a moment, 161 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: that leadership is not given, though leadership is taken. Leadership 162 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: is something that when God presents it, you have to 163 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: step into it. You have to step through the door 164 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: that He spreads wide for you. Give us some just 165 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: leadership lessons that you have learned throughout your years. 166 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: Well, as you said, leadership is not given, Leadership is taken. 167 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: And another thing I want to add, leadership is not 168 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: a gain. So when God entrusts you with influence, and 169 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: that's what leadership is. To influence people, groups, to influence others. 170 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: You need to understand that you have to walk circumspectully 171 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: and very cautiously in managing such influence, because the ideal 172 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: is not to use it to promote self, but to 173 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: use it to bring people to God, to bring people 174 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: to His agenda that unites us and that calls us 175 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,479 Speaker 3: together to fulfill His purpose. And so, in understanding leadership, 176 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: if there are leaders listening to me, which I know 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: there will be, you need to understand that if God 178 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: has entrusted you with a space where people look up 179 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: to you, whether it's a small group or whether they're massive, 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: you need to understand that, no matter how much they 181 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: try to pump up your. 182 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Ego, stay at the feet of Jesus. 183 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: Stay at the feet of Jesus, and stay in tune 184 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: to his whisper, so that when He speaks to you, 185 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: you march not to the tune of the public opinion, 186 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: not to the tune of the headlines, not to what 187 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: others want. But you're always moving in the vein of 188 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: what the Holy Spirit is directing your life to do. 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: And that's why I lead with so much passion because Michaelarisma, 190 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: my character is reduced by my relationship with Jesus Christ. 191 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop this right there and jump in 192 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: to say, you're listening to build Different. I'm Zach Clinton. 193 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: We need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. 194 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation 195 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: flowing right after this. You're listening to Life Audio. Let 196 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: me say this. You know all of the different interviews 197 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: that we have set up today, all the different speakers 198 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: that are here for this Unleashed event where we're just 199 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: praying that God would continue to unleash the spirit of 200 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: revival and we would encounter the ones you're living God 201 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: right here at Story Life Church. You know, I'm thinking 202 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: about the common theme here for a moment, and it 203 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: seems to be that leadership comes with the cost. Leadership's 204 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: not comfortable, it's not convenient. Nick Saban said something years ago. 205 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: He said, if you want to be liked as a leader, 206 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: you might as well go sell ice cream. 207 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Hey, talk to us. 208 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: A little bit about the cost of the leadership that 209 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: God has called you too. Because things haven't always been 210 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: sunshine and rainbows. Things have looked bleak. You are no 211 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 2: stranger to suffering. Help us understand the cost. 212 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: Well again, I go back to the scripture again, Mark 213 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: Jesus says, those who come after me, let's first deny themselves, 214 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: take up their cross, and follow. Looking at that scripture 215 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: now doesn't sound real bad until you realize that putting 216 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: self aside and taking up a cross, which represents torture, suffering, 217 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 3: and even being eleenated and isolated when everybody leaves you, 218 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: and then imitating Jesus. Jesus' path of imitation was not 219 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: always comfortable, and there are times with his own people 220 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: rejected him when he was doing everything he was for them. 221 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: I prefaced that to say that my life reflects that 222 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: because the moment that I decided to take another path 223 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: and to go a different way, and that was the 224 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: way that I felt that Christ. 225 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Was convicting me, that's when I lost everybody. 226 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: That's when I lost things and people and groups and opportunities. 227 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: But it was also the blessing behind a closed door. 228 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: I grew up in a liberal family, but we were 229 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: a liberal conservative family, which means that while we had 230 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: liberal views, that was more so about supporting those who 231 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: were impoverishing things like that. My family always viewed religious 232 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: freedom as important and protecting the sanctity of life and 233 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: religious views and America. You know, my dad was a politician, 234 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: my mom's of church administrator. 235 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: So again I grew up in that home. 236 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 3: But later on I realized that most of my views 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: were more conservative, and so when I started leaning toward 238 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: the conservative path, that's when I realized that the moment 239 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: that I would go against the grain of what my 240 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: community reflected or what they believed in, that's when I 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: was going to lose their trusts. And as a result 242 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: of me having the opportunity to go in the room 243 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: and even pray for President Trump and minister to him 244 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: in some time passed back in twenty eighteen, I didn't 245 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: realize I was going to come back home and lose 246 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: a whole congregation, lose some lifetime friends, all because they 247 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: said I can't follow a guy who would pray for 248 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: the president. I said, what the Word of God says. 249 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: You're supposed to pray for authority, and you're supposed to 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: support those who are an authority. And I believe in 251 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: conservative views, So why can't I stand behind him and 252 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: pray for him? And I lost a lot, and in 253 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: a puddle of tears, God had to remind me, your 254 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: loss is really a gain because now that you're following me, 255 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: now that you're imitating my path. While you lost that 256 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: and those doors were shut, look at the platform that 257 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: I'm about to open up to allow you to shine 258 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: from my glory, to allow your story to reach people 259 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: who want to be courageous, but that inferior of losing, 260 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: they don't have that. 261 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: They're intimidated. 262 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: So when they hear you, it will give them the 263 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: tenacity and the boldness to stand out and stand for 264 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: what they believe. So while it has cost me, it 265 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: has been rewarding because if that price that I had 266 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: to pay allows me to impact the world and to 267 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: impact people groups and to cause other leaders to rise 268 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 3: up and stand for truth, so be it. 269 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: I'll go through it again and again. 270 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: The mom biship. I'm grateful for the voice the God 271 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: I think is amplified in you because of a courageous 272 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: choice to stand for biblical truth, to stand for what 273 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: you believe in. Billy Graham one said that courage is contagious. 274 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: It's amazing what happens when a man or a woman 275 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: is willing to take a stand. The spines of others 276 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: are often stiffened. You know, I would love just to 277 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: chat with you a little bit about that, because I 278 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: think about walking into a room. There's some statute in 279 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: the mental health space that when you say within twenty 280 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: five feet of a high performing individual, your performance or 281 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: your outcomes will automatically enhance by fifteen percent. What is 282 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: it about courage, Bishop, that is so contagious? 283 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: I think we're so contagious about courage is when you 284 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: see men and women that don't mind being disliked. Because 285 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: to have courage and to possess it, you have to 286 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: be in a position to be okay with being disliked, 287 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: being okay with being isolated and alienated because of where 288 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: you stand. And what makes that so attractive, what makes 289 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: it so people stand and said, well, I want to 290 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: be like him, is because there's so many people that 291 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: are inferior, and the inferiority complex is based upon the 292 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: opinions of others. And when you get delivered from people, 293 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: and get delivered from public opinion and get delivered from 294 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: the thoughts of others, that's all the courage that you 295 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: need to stand for whatever God has placed on your 296 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: assignment and whatever room He has given you to stand in, 297 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: when you can get beyond what people think of and 298 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: know that I'm standing representing the things of God, representing 299 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: what's right, and you can live with yourself and go 300 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: to bed at night. That's what It motivates others and 301 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: challenges others to riots to occasion and be courageous. 302 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Bishop. 303 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: When I think of courage sometimes I think a lot 304 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: of people when they hear that word, they just think 305 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: of confrontation, right, being courageous to confront another person on 306 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: their belief, on their ideology, whatever it is. But they 307 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: don't view it through the lens of compassion. And when 308 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: we talk about racial tension and we talk about the 309 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: different things, whether it's the color of your skin, whether 310 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: it's your political party affiliation, whether it's the religion that 311 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: you believe. In a lot of times in the world 312 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: that we live in, in the culture society now it's 313 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: my way or the highway. It's if, hey, if you 314 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: don't agree with me, then you're wrong and you're being unloving, right, 315 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: and so they use they almost weaponize this idea of love. 316 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: But love in scripture is you know, speak the truth 317 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: in love. This idea that those two things can actually 318 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: coincide speak to just again what you're seeing in why 319 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: we find ourselves in such divided times. But then, how 320 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: do we begin to take the first step toward reconciliation. 321 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: How do we choose to forgive those who maybe have 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: wronged us, whether it's generational wounds, whether it's something that 323 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: somebody said, whether it's a disagreement, whatever it might be. 324 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: What's the first step that we can begin to take 325 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: to actually live the united life? 326 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: Well, we were created in the image of God, and 327 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: unfortunately the fall of man has created this division and 328 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: this distortion of who we are, and we are literally 329 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: hating ourselves. If I hate my brother and I hate 330 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: my sister, I hate myself why Because we were all 331 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: created in the image and likeness of God. Acts seventeen 332 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: and six say it, we'll one blood, and that one 333 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: blood may come from many different nation and ethnic groups, 334 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: but it's still coming from one and unity brings us 335 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: back to God. But the enemy's job, and he's been 336 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: doing a perfect job at it, is to blind us 337 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: from the fact that we are one through God, and 338 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: we are allowing different toimes, different languages, and different continents 339 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: that we come from to make us think that we're different, 340 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 3: and the reality is why we do have differences. And 341 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: while our pigmentations may be different, while our language may 342 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: have some differences, we are birth and conform and pattern 343 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: and made from the same God in his image and likeness, 344 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: and we can ever get a clue of that and 345 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 3: stop allowing the devil to bring us into these deceits 346 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 3: and lives. We can start living a life of unit. 347 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: And my message that I preach every day is what 348 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: Jesus prayed in John seventeen. Father, make them one as 349 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: you and our one, so that the world would believe 350 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: that Christ was sent. How can the world ever believe 351 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: that Jesus was sent when Jesus' people can't even get 352 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 3: along because the most segregated hour of the day, according 353 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: to doctor Martin Luther King, is Sunday morning. We're all 354 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: in our siloed congregations, White congregation, Black congregation, Hispanic Asian congregation, 355 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: not realizing that we're one church, one band, one sound, honoring, 356 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: glorifying to God. And if we cannot come out of 357 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: our buildings, we're no different from any other group. If 358 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: we don't know how to collaborate and unite and realize 359 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: that we're a part of the gospel. 360 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: And I guess, just to answer your question. 361 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: Of how we go about bringing unity when I established 362 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: bridge Builders, that's what it was all about. God said, 363 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: you use your voice in the midst of chaos to 364 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: be the solution. And the solution is compassion. And you 365 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: got to understand, son, when you build a bridge, bridges 366 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: get walked over by both sides. So no, you're going 367 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: to have some rough ways to go because everybody's not 368 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: going to support where you stand. But at the end 369 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: of the day, if you keep haraling the message of love, 370 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: the message of unity, people are going to get it 371 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: that the only way to be delivered from chaos, calamity, 372 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: and confusion is the fall of the love that leads 373 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: us to unity and cooperation with one another. 374 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: In my master's program, clinical mental health counseling, we are 375 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: being trained and the word in counseling is empathy. Right, 376 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: It's different than sympathy. Sympathy is feeling bad for somebody. 377 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: Empathy is almost trying to put yourself in there, getting 378 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: outside of the story. Sometimes we have this narrative in 379 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: our mind about someone, about a different race, whatever it 380 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: is about a different political affiliation. We get so stuck 381 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: in the story that we don't dive into the struggle. 382 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: Oprah Winfrey, doctor Bruce Perry. Back in the day, they 383 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: had this conversation that turned into a book, and it 384 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: really the language has shifted, especially in the mental health space, 385 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: away from what's the matter with you? What's wrong with you? 386 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: Bishop? 387 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: To what happened to you? Better understanding trauma, better understanding 388 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: different diagnoses in the mental health space, to really get 389 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: to the heart of the story, because it's at the struggle. 390 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 2: Bishop speak to the importance of recognizing that the greatest 391 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: form of empathy is inquiry, asking better questions, making less 392 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 2: assumptions to potentially begin to unify ourselves again. 393 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: God, do Zach just listen to you. I just got 394 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: an idea for a book that maybe we need to write. 395 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: Come on, because this is loaded, because let me tell 396 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: you how we resolve this whole racial war, this con 397 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: this confusion today. If everybody would just back up, settle down, 398 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: and do what we're doing. 399 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Right here, have a conversation, Zach. How are you, Kevin? 400 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: How are you? What happened? 401 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: Not what I think happened? Not give you my judgment 402 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: on what I think. No, no, no, what happened and share 403 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 3: it from your perspective, because no one can tell you 404 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: my pain like me. I'm experiencing it. I live that, 405 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: I walk through it. And instead of us listening to 406 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: one another, we're talking at one another, and it becomes 407 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: an argument, it becomes demeaning, it becomes a debate, and 408 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: when we're all yelling, no one's listening, no one's concerned 409 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: because everybody's more concerned about my opinion where I stand 410 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: instead of being sensitive to where everybody is. And I 411 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: believe that one of the ways to conflict resolution is empathy, 412 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: to really get outside of your world, step into someone 413 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 3: else's world, and intentionally try to understand from their perspective 414 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: what happened, what caused this, and how we can pull 415 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: back these layers to help them heal. 416 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And there's again, nothing like presence. 417 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: You don't have to talk a lot, you don't have 418 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: to have a lot of comments because do I take 419 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: responsibility for what another group a generation did? No, I 420 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: can't take responsibility for it, but I can promise you 421 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: that I won't repeat it. I can promise you that 422 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: I'm going to be a part of the solution and 423 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: not the problem that it will continue in this hour. 424 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: But I'm going to be the voice and the heart 425 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: around us reasoning together. 426 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it is right now. 427 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: We just get to a point that we just step 428 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: outside of our selfishness, our own conceit, and stop worrying 429 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: about whether they did it to me, will put that 430 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 3: aside and be a concern about someone else, and then 431 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: allow that people group. 432 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: To be concerned to hear your story. 433 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: Then when we both feel heard, then we can find 434 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: common ground to be able to leave and help heal others. 435 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: Amazing what happens. I feel like when we talk about candy, 436 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: when we talk about food, when we talk about clothing, 437 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: when we talk about you know, coloring, we celebrate differences, 438 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 2: but humanity is the only thing that we don't celebrate 439 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: differences in, and so being able to recognize that, hey, 440 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: it's okay to be different, it's okay to disagree, but 441 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 2: we can still show up for one another. We can 442 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: still have these conversations, We can still love even when 443 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: we want to stand on truth. Right, you were just 444 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: mentioning before he press record that you know, whether it's 445 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: a funeral, whether it's having to sit with families in 446 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: the midst of just difficult situations. Presence matters. There's power 447 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: in simply showing up. There's a book by Dan Siegel 448 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: who's a psychologist out of UCLA, and he does a 449 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: lot of the inner personal neurobiology space and when he 450 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: talks a lot about in his book, the power of 451 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: showing up is how parental presence shapes who our kids 452 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: become and how their brains are wired right, just simply 453 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: being there for somebody matters more than we know. I'd 454 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: love to ask the question in a time and when 455 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 2: Scripture says speak the truth in love and we talk 456 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: about how those things can coincide, I think that's where 457 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: we get it wrong, because, like you said, we're just 458 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: telling or speaking at rather than speaking to having these 459 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: cordial conversations like this. How do we begin to continually 460 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: stand on the Word of God, stand on biblical truth, 461 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: no matter what that looks like, no matter what the 462 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: conversation is about. How do we do that but still 463 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: do it Bishop in a loving way? 464 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: How do we do that? 465 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: I can give you a perfect example of that here. 466 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: Some years ago in Orlando, the post tragedy happened where 467 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: a gay club was infiltrated by a man who obviously 468 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: hated the gay community, and he shot up the club. 469 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: People were they're innocently just enjoying themselves with their friends, 470 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: bothering no one, and he walked in and took forty 471 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: nine lives. When I woke up the next day to 472 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: the information and the state attorney in, the sheriff and 473 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: the police chief called me in let me know, I immediately 474 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: got up. It was a Sunday morning. I didn't he 475 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: my church. I head downtown to the scene. Families were 476 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: there waiting to see if their loved one had died. 477 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Leaders were crying, people were broken. 478 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: It had national news attention, and I wasn't there for 479 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 3: the cameras. I was there to be a pastor. It 480 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: didn't matter that the people were gay. It didn't matter 481 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: that they chose a lifestyle that was not my choice 482 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 3: because I don't live by that. I lived by other convictions, 483 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: which are by the word of God. It was at 484 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: those times humanity was broken. People were shattered, and in 485 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: that moment they needed empathy, not my opinion about their lifestyle. 486 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: And I started hugging everybody. A commissioner that was gay, 487 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: standing with gay families, loving them, not judging them, just 488 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: showing my heart. What really moved them on that day 489 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 3: is when I went to the gay church. They were 490 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: having a vigil and when I walked up, they all 491 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: paused and looked at me and said, what are you 492 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: doing here? We've never had a heterosexual pastor come on 493 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: our camp us. 494 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: I didn't answer. 495 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 3: I just hugged them, with tears around rolling our eyes, 496 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: hugged them all and just said, I love you. The 497 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 3: pastor gave her seat to me when I walked in, 498 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: and she said, please pass the stop you speak. 499 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: Why are you here? The first words that came out 500 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: of my mouth. 501 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: John three point sixteen says, for God so loved the 502 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 3: world that he gave his only be goden Son, that 503 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: whosoever believe in him would not perish but have everlasting life. 504 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: I am here because God loves you. I love you, 505 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: and I want to express God's love through my presence. 506 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: The room broke out in tears. We wept together, and 507 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: to this day I have relationships with the community. I 508 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 3: preached three of those funerals, and I didn't come preaching 509 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: about a gay marriage or again. 510 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: No, I came. 511 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: Preaching the love of Jesus Christ, and many people gave 512 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: their life to Jesus simply because I stepped out of 513 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: my four walls, stepped out of my comfort zone and 514 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: went into a community that most Christians would stay away from, 515 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: and I confronted them with love and was able to 516 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: draw them to Christ. I answer that question by saying 517 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 3: that today, the best way to preach truth is to 518 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: live it. You can bam on podiums all you want, 519 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: beat your Bible all you want, but until you express 520 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: love in your actions, express love in your communication, express 521 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: love in all that you do. Even when we disagree, 522 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: we don't have to be disagreeable. I can still find 523 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 3: common ground. I can still find a way to show 524 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: you and exhibit Jesus Christ, so that if one day 525 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 3: you ever want to turn to him, you'll know exactly 526 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: how to do it, because that seed was planted by 527 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: my presence in my life. 528 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Oh Bishop, we're preaching now, goodness man, that it makes 529 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: me emotional just to hear that story, just because the 530 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit prompted you just to simply show up, make 531 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: your presence known, live out that truth, live out that love, 532 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: and the impact the seeds that were sown the impact 533 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: that you've probably had since just continuing to maintain those 534 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: relationships where people are like, you know what, there's something 535 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: different about that man. There's something different about Bishop Kelvin Coberts. 536 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: And let me say this, my friend, I see that 537 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: difference every day, and I'm so grateful for the difference 538 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: that God is making in and through you because of 539 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: that very thing. I want to kind of wrap up 540 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: our conversation with two final questions. Bishop. The first one 541 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: is this, in the cultural hour that we find ourselves in, 542 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: you are a man of deep thought. You are a 543 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: man of deep prayer. And I want to ask, what 544 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: is your prayer, especially for my generation, the next generation 545 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: that's coming up through legacies, not just something you leave behind, 546 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: it's something you put into motion. What's the prayer that 547 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: God would continue to put into motion through your life 548 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 2: for my generation to come. 549 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: The mistake of the previous generation, which we love them 550 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 3: and we stand on their shoulders, is a lot of 551 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: time it's been ignorance and learn behavior from the generation 552 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: ahead of them. And sometime a lot of things they 553 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 3: practiced was not because you really believed it, but that's 554 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: what you were taught. That's what was modeled before you, 555 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: so you practice this level of preference of prejudice or 556 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: even racism or superiority over other groups and different feelings 557 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: that you have based upon how you grew up in 558 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: how you were taught. However, I believe that your generation, 559 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: the generation is coming up, is the game change of 560 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: generation because while in previous generations, the knowledge and the 561 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: intellectual opportunities and exposure was not there like it is 562 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: now this particular generation because it's been exposed to so 563 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: much and if you hold a phone in your hand, 564 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: you're introduced to the entire global world and can influence it. 565 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: That this particular generation has a platform and an opportunity 566 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: to first glean from the generations before you learn what 567 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: was good, what to do, learn the things not to do, 568 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: and now to take the national the bad, throw those 569 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: out and then take that along with your own energy 570 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: and your passionate innovation and create a collaboration between the 571 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: old and the new to birth the present. And that 572 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: presence says that while we respect God, we respect country, 573 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: we're great patriots, We're not going to love a flag 574 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: and a country over the people that resided it. We're 575 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: not going to lift up symbols over the heart that 576 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: we need to have for the people that represent those symbols. 577 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: And so it's very, very important that your generation is 578 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: the generation that leads the answer to Jesus prayer that 579 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: we actually become one and to show all the previous 580 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 3: generations that's possible, that I can be different, we can 581 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: live in different communities, we can have different opinions, preferences, 582 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: and all those different things, but still not hate one another, 583 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: still not have to fight against one another, but realize 584 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: that we're on the same team and not against one another. 585 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: And through that common goal, through that common purpose, through 586 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: that collaboration, we can express that compassion in everything that 587 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: we do. And I believe that people like yourself, and 588 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: with your dad having his heart and he's raising his 589 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: baton back to his son, doctor Zach is running on 590 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: with this ministry, taking it to levels that doctor Tim 591 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: Clinton could because doctor Tim Clinton is run his course 592 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: and now he's handing it to Zach, and now Zach 593 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 3: is going to lead it to levels that God has 594 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: intended for it to go even before it started. 595 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: So I'm excited. 596 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: About your generation because your generation is the game change 597 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: of generation that's going to influence the past the present 598 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: to lead us into a great future. 599 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: Mom Biship, that excites me. I'm ready to keep running. 600 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: So grateful for those that we get to stand on 601 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: the shoulders of like yourself, like my dad, like so 602 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: many other mentors and friends that have invested in my life. 603 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: I'm just grateful for opportunities to walk in the rooms 604 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: that I don't belong in, But at the same time, 605 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm grateful to be in. 606 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Bishop. 607 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: I want to close this way. I always ask the 608 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: question the final pressing word that God is placed on 609 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: your heart for a specific people group, And so today 610 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: who I want you to speak into the lives of 611 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: those who have maybe been hurt, who have been wounded, 612 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: who come into this conversation and they hear this and 613 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: they're encouraged, but yet they're still broken. There's still a 614 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: lot of hang ups and different things that they're going 615 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: through in life. Maybe they're holding on to hatred, bitterness, rage. 616 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: I would love just a final word of hope and 617 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: encouragement for them as to why fellowship, why forgiveness, why 618 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: faithfulness matters to live the built different life? 619 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: Well, I respond to that. 620 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: Just A few weeks ago, there was outrage in our 621 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: country over a mean that was sent out, and of 622 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 3: course it depicted political leaders in a very egregious and 623 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 3: disrespectful and disgusting way. And of course I did not 624 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: immediately respond because of my role in my position. Always 625 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: want to make sure that I don't respond in motions. 626 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: I don't respond in outrage or chaos, but always respond 627 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 3: in the compassions of the words of Christ. So I waited, 628 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: and because I waited, ten hours after it happened, I 629 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: was attacked. I was advised not to respond, but I'm 630 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: like I have to because of where I stand, and 631 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: standing in the middle, I got to say something and 632 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: I made a response. And then there was a podcaster 633 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: that I won't name him that took that opportunity to 634 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: attack me and took that opportunity to use clickbait to 635 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: turn my community, to African American community against me. So 636 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: now they just cried out about racism and racism and 637 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: who's hateful and hatred? But then you turn right around 638 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: and after someone formed an opinion of me, instead of 639 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: them calling me, which he had an access to do 640 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 3: that and have a conversation, he took the social media 641 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: and attacked me, attacked my family called me, Ko called 642 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: me everything but my name, and others joined him. 643 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: People in my community came on my page. 644 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: Degrading me and they've never met me, And I just said, wow, 645 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: here they are saying that they're feeling hurt because of 646 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: how they've been depicted in a mean of how racism 647 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: is a parent. But then you turn around and somebody 648 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: that looks just like you, you attack without giving the 649 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: respect of a conversation. And the Lord showed me right then, 650 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: he said, that's the bigger picture. The enemy is blind 651 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: siding people. Because hurt people hurt people, and when you 652 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: don't know what to do with your hurt, you will 653 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: mismanage it and you will create more havocan chaos than 654 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: you do peace and healing. And what I want to 655 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: say to a broken people that might be listening today, 656 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: whether you're black, white, Hispanic, Caucasian, whatever you are, I 657 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 3: know our world is not perfect. I know we got 658 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: some things we need to work on. I know there's 659 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: been some things that have been said. You've been been mistreated, 660 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: you've been maligned, you've been underserved on different levels. I 661 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: know we got a lot of different opinions, but at 662 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: the end of the day. If you're not a part 663 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: of the solution, you're the problem. And this is why 664 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: it's so important that instead of taking your pain to 665 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: create more peril and taking your hurt to create more havoc, 666 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: use your pain and your peril and your platform to 667 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 3: have conversations, to reach out to other people to say 668 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 3: what happened, to say, you know, how can I help 669 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: you with that? To hear and to pray together and 670 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: to resolve that we're going to unite against the hatred, 671 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 3: the bigotry, and all of the things that create a 672 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 3: divide and be the voice of reason. 673 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: Don't allow your hurt to create other confusion, but use. 674 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: That hurt as a witness that instead of allowing my 675 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: hurt to dictate my decisions or dictate my preferences, or 676 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: dictate how I treat people, I use that hurt as 677 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: a moment first to become healed and to become whole, 678 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: so that now I'm in a position to share witness 679 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 3: and to heal other people and to help them come 680 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: into a place that they can be healed and unify 681 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 3: and use love and not hatred to bring about a 682 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: difference and bring into unity. 683 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: That's whole word Bishop, Bishop, I'm grateful for you. I'm 684 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: grateful for your voice. I know that leadership can feel 685 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: lonely at times, but I want you to hear this, Fami, 686 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: You're never alone. You got people in your corner who 687 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 2: will literally go to battle for you. Be the first 688 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: ones and the last ones there, my friend. So I'm 689 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: grateful for you, thank you for all that you do, 690 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: and thank you for allowing God to use you in 691 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: a mighty way. Where can our audience members go there 692 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: to find out more about you, to find out more 693 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: about New Life Church International, to find out more about 694 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 2: the bridge Builders network. 695 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you can follow me. 696 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: I'm on all social media from Instagram, Facebook under my name, 697 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 3: and you can google a New Life Church International, Plant City, Florida. 698 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 3: You can follow me there. If you want to be 699 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: a part of bridge Builders, just reach out to me Google, 700 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 3: get in touch with our office, and we would love 701 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: to you to join fortunes. We're about to relaunch that 702 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: in a great way because in the midst of this dark, 703 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 3: divided hour, we're about to step right in the middle 704 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 3: of it and build bridges in this midst of this 705 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 3: chaos so that we can come together be the people 706 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 3: that God has designed us too. 707 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: The ship Dad and I all of us to ada 708 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 2: a sece. We stay with you if we run with you, 709 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: my friend, love you and appreciate you. Thank you for 710 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: joining me to all of our built different audience. Thank you, 711 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: guys for taking the time to engage in what I 712 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 2: believe is a very meaningful conversation. I think the first 713 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: of many because I want to have him as a 714 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: recurring guest on this podcast. He always brings the passion, 715 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 2: He always brings conviction, He always brings a courageous word 716 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: in his cultural hour. My friend, I hope and pray 717 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: that today you choose love, that today you would choose 718 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,479 Speaker 2: to be light in the midst of the darkness. God 719 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: is using you. You have influence, You have impact. You 720 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 2: don't need a pullpit, you don't need a platform for that. 721 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 2: You have the opportunity to make a change for the good. 722 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. We love being 723 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: a part of your life.