WEBVTT - Can Republicans Keep The Senate?

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<v Speaker 1>Good Thursday to you. I am Hugh Hewett. I want

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<v Speaker 1>by talking a little bit about what the Democrats have done,

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<v Speaker 1>because it'll be a theme throughout the program today. Given

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<v Speaker 1>the Miranda Divine call him on what John ossoff slander

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<v Speaker 1>of Natalie Harp has done, which is make Georgia competitive race,

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<v Speaker 1>it broke through to the wrong people. Normal Georgians look

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<v Speaker 1>up and said, why did John Osoff imply that this

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<v Speaker 1>hard working young woman whose life was saved by the

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<v Speaker 1>right to try and as an event, Jellico Christian and

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<v Speaker 1>loves Donald Trump in an administration? Why did John Osoff

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<v Speaker 1>imply that she was having an affair with Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because John Osoff was attacking Donald Trump. She

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<v Speaker 1>was collateral damage. Didn't matter, but you know what, it

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<v Speaker 1>did matter. America doesn't like that. They know that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump punches hard and heyone punches it him. They know

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<v Speaker 1>he's got his own standards. They know he has his

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<v Speaker 1>own unique style and it defends a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't believe in attacking his staff attack Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Osoff didn't do that. He attacked Natalie Harp, an innocent

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<v Speaker 1>woman that I have a daughter, I have granddaughters. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not want them and to have their character in

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<v Speaker 1>pune by political actors if they happen to work for

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<v Speaker 1>an executive who has them working a lot of hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie Harp works around the clock, been working hard this week.

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<v Speaker 1>For example on the East Wing case, she works hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I only deal with Nalie via text when I want

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<v Speaker 1>the president on the radio program, on the television show,

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<v Speaker 1>I texted Natalie. She gets the ball rolling if it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to work and hands it off to the comms team.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's always always on and always always working, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's great at it. And Washington Media took out a

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<v Speaker 1>previous personal assessant to the President madelon Westernhouse. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>Madeline two, and I think they like to pick on

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<v Speaker 1>young women, legacy media and Democrat candidates. And I repeat myself.

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<v Speaker 1>But John Ossoff More on that later. But John Ossoff

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<v Speaker 1>is one of eight candidates Democrats have nominated this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure you know them all. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got Angie Nixon in Florida, hard left, Peggy Flanning in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>hard left, Abdua lsi Ed hardest left up in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>James tul Rica weird and left in Texas, Troy Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>hard left in Minnesota. Roy Cooper pretends to be not

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<v Speaker 1>hard left, but is hard left, soft on crime, soft

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<v Speaker 1>and immigration, shared brown, old and hard left infirm like

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden and hard left in Ohio. And John Ossoff

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<v Speaker 1>beij basically and nobody from no where. And he had

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<v Speaker 1>to get some attention because he thinks he can run

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<v Speaker 1>for president, so he tried to get some attentions blown

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<v Speaker 1>up in his hands. And they know it because if

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<v Speaker 1>you say anything about it online, all the left wing

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<v Speaker 1>trolls come out, all the apparatricks that left, the aging

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<v Speaker 1>aperatricks that the left come out and defend John Assaf,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work, doesn't work America saw America. I heard America

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<v Speaker 1>Judge John Ossaf. But where do we now? We know

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<v Speaker 1>all of these people by what Angie Nixon and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do lsay Ed tells us about them. Here's Angie Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>at the Clay County Speaks podcast with Daniel Marie Foster.

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<v Speaker 1>Cutdamber one, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Is your opinion on specific democratic reforms such as abolishing

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<v Speaker 2>the electoral college, abolishing the filibuster, allowing non party affiliated

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<v Speaker 2>voters to participate in primary primary elections, implementing different voting

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<v Speaker 2>systems like rank choice voting.

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<v Speaker 3>You can break it down, so obolsol college.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with it. I would leave in a I

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<v Speaker 1>believe one vote, one person, and yes that's enough for

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<v Speaker 1>that cut. She wants to repel the constitution. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting really electoral college because it's not happening. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional amendment. So either she's not smart or she's a radical.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut number two with Danny Marie Foster.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta get these you gotta close these corporate text loopholes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to put the DEI policies.

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<v Speaker 6>Back in.

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<v Speaker 1>De I back there you go again DSA candidate represents

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<v Speaker 1>all these Senate candidates. I talked about Angie Nixon on

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<v Speaker 1>Midas Touch, this time with Katie Fang, Cut number three.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm looking.

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<v Speaker 7>Forward to going to Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>To provide every day hardworking people with some relief after

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<v Speaker 1>we work to you know, impeach and I vote to

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<v Speaker 1>remove Donald Trump and wet there you go. Uh, she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get to vote to impeach. She's a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate. She can vote to remove and convict. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know that. I don't think it's going on to

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<v Speaker 1>cut number five. Angie Nixon on MS Now with Simone Sanders,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about her decision recently to join the dsay the

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<v Speaker 1>cult of revolutionary sort of French revolutionary fanatics inside the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party that has taken over this cycle. Cut number five.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you join DSA? Is it about the organizing capacity

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<v Speaker 4>and less about the issues? Because even today, like Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>across the country, but especially the Republican Senate Campaign Committee,

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<v Speaker 4>they are coming out hitting you as a socialist. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not aligned with Florida values. But the answer you're giving

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<v Speaker 4>today makes me feel like it is not about the socialists,

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<v Speaker 4>It's about the organizing capacity. Is that accurate? It's actually yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually about the issues that they care about the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and DSA. They didn't help me on my campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't endorse me.

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<v Speaker 1>What issue they care about the most. They hate the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Constitution. They're on record. I play that for

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<v Speaker 1>you today. They want to get rid of the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to get rid of the electoral college. They

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<v Speaker 1>hate the United States way of government. They want centralized government.

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<v Speaker 1>They want a dictatorship. That's where it always ends up

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<v Speaker 1>with French revolutionaries. Let me jump down to abdu al

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<v Speaker 1>Sayed campaigning at a presser yesterday, cut number ten. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you just make it just happen there? If

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<v Speaker 1>you guys saying you're in an arab you don't care

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<v Speaker 1>about black pols. You know, I hate to say this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I continue to hearing from older black folks and

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<v Speaker 1>people like to some of that Sall's colleagues, somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>they're uncommitted for you.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, there's been an effort, I think, to divide

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<v Speaker 8>people against each other, and unfortunately, you see that the

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<v Speaker 8>consequence of that to tell us that some group or

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<v Speaker 8>another group have to be counterposed because there's not enough

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<v Speaker 8>for all of us. I am Arab, I'm also African.

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<v Speaker 8>My family immigrated to this country from Egypt. I'm proud

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<v Speaker 8>of my African heritage.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. I just want to throw a flag here.

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<v Speaker 1>He is from Egypt, his family is from Egypt. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an Egyptian American. He's an American citizen born in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, no doubt about it. Muslim, that's fine. Egyptians

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<v Speaker 1>don't often identify as blacks and as Africans. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that's gonna work. The fact he's worried about this

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<v Speaker 1>is because he did not pull well in the primary

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<v Speaker 1>in the black precincts of Detroit, because they don't like him,

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<v Speaker 1>because the radical leftists and black people want jobs in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>They want Carks to come back. He hates the American

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<v Speaker 1>Dream Cruise. He's actually just kind of a nut, like

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<v Speaker 1>Angie King. Mike Rogers had this to say, he's running

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<v Speaker 1>against mainstream Mike Rodgers. Mainstream Mike Rogers, mster down the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan Republican cut number eleven.

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<v Speaker 9>I advocate for a government takeover of health insurance because

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<v Speaker 9>health insurance offers no value. What medicare for all does

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<v Speaker 9>is it doesn't weigh with the private insurance market because

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<v Speaker 9>instead of having a whole bunch of players, you have

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<v Speaker 9>one day and that is the federal government.

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<v Speaker 8>Medicare for All guarantees you a public health care plan

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<v Speaker 8>and nhure private one.

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<v Speaker 7>Medicare for All comes in in saggy.

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<v Speaker 9>No more of this insurance.

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<v Speaker 8>Than disc Reach one insurance, and that is the government

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<v Speaker 8>of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>What you have is the state operating has your insurance.

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<v Speaker 10>It is going to require taxes, and the question of

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<v Speaker 10>how much of those taxes we would ask working Americans

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<v Speaker 10>to pay.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think it's important that from a political and

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<v Speaker 9>company perspective that everybody pays a bid.

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<v Speaker 1>In, everybody pays a bid in, and everybody loses their

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare insurance and Medicare goes broken and serves seniors anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll said, it is just as radical as Angie King,

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<v Speaker 1>who was just as radical as Troy Jackson, as Tallarrica

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<v Speaker 1>is also weird, just as radical as Peggy Flanagan. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk with Michelle Deefoye after the break, Just as radical

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<v Speaker 1>as John Ossoff and the ethics of his scumbag. Roy

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper pretends to be a moderate, not a moderate, soft

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<v Speaker 1>on crime, soft on illegal immigration, shared brown, old and crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Up Mandis.

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<v Speaker 1>Brook. I'm back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell my Sea Span audience, especially about my next guest,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Garretty. If you take the Washington Post, look at him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's my friend of me. He's reading about the Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>Browns because he's a Jets fan, and that's how he

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<v Speaker 1>reads down. He gives himself hope by reading about the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Browns. Uh, let me give your Wall.

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<v Speaker 5>Street Journal tells rock bottom quarterback competition, discussing Shadura Sanders

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<v Speaker 5>and Deshaun By Anyway, we're not here to talk about that,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>I will get you back, mister Jets fan. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell the Sea Span audience about Jim. Jim is a

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<v Speaker 1>weekly columnist for the Washington Post. Column appears on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>in print on Wednesday. He is the Morning joelt editor

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<v Speaker 1>at National Review, where he is their senior political writer.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the host of the Monday through Friday podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Three Martini Lunch. He is also on the Editor's podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is usually on Tuesday. Sometimes he comes back as

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<v Speaker 1>well at the end of the Week. The editor's podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for National Review, the Morning Jolt, you should sign up for,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should follow Jim at Jim Garrity dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to nothing that he says about the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a paid assassin. Hates the Browns because they

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Jets at every opportunity. Garrity, not many of

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<v Speaker 1>them now, there aren't many of it. I call him

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<v Speaker 1>the indispensable because he'd been on the program for more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty years, and we've been doing this shtick for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years. Jim, I want to start by asking you

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<v Speaker 1>a very where do you think this election is going?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Republicans should get wiped out, but the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are trying very hard with Angie Nixon and abduh Al

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<v Speaker 1>Sayed and Peggy Flanagan and Troy Jackson and John ass

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<v Speaker 1>Off and James tell Rico to keep the Republicans in

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<v Speaker 1>the game. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The pessimistic take is that we are in for two

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<v Speaker 5>thousand and six again. And I think it was last

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<v Speaker 5>week when I was in this program where you mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>how long we've been doing it, and I realized that, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been doing your program since before I had kids,

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<v Speaker 5>and I dropped off my older one at college this week.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's a science now how long we've been doing this.

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<v Speaker 5>So I have I would say, have traumatic memories of

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and six, but I remember, you know, there

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<v Speaker 5>was Bush had just been reelected. Iraq war was going badly, Katrina.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, it's totally different because there were a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of Republican incumbents who were involved in sex scandals, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 5>and as we all know, thankfully that's out of the system.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't have to worry about that anymore. Mark Foley,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, everything everything that could go wrong for Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>did go wrong that cycle. And Republicans, I believe they

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<v Speaker 5>lost off the top of I had thirty one House

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<v Speaker 5>seats and.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not lose the Senate though, oh yes they did

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<v Speaker 1>lose the Senate. They did lose the Senate.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was it was really rough year, right, and

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<v Speaker 5>so my first thought was like, this could be like that.

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<v Speaker 5>What does seem not crazy is to imagine that we

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<v Speaker 5>end up with something akin to twenty twenty two, in

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<v Speaker 5>which we were expecting Republicans to have this phenomenal year.

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<v Speaker 5>Inflation had hit nine percent, people really upset about gas prices,

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<v Speaker 5>people are really upset about the cost of living. Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>did win control of the House, but by a pretty

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<v Speaker 5>small margin, and I think they were expecting a lot

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<v Speaker 5>more and did not win control of the Senate. And

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<v Speaker 5>there was kind of this sense of like, well, Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>had nominated a bunch of you know, fruitcake candidates who

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<v Speaker 5>were just not you know, like the guy they had

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<v Speaker 5>running against Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Like this year with Stacey

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<v Speaker 5>Garrity is the first real statewide candidate Shapiro has had

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<v Speaker 5>as a governor.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, but he's still gonna win.

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<v Speaker 5>That I shouldn't get anybody's hopes up. But like, she's

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<v Speaker 5>running a real campaign, which is not something he had

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<v Speaker 5>to deal with four years ago. So you look at this,

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<v Speaker 5>there are enough fruitcake candidates on the Democratic side that

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<v Speaker 5>they could leave some races on the table, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think I dualized the It is probably example number one, Hugh.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you noticed that the coverage of Abdul al Sayed

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<v Speaker 5>in particularsno Fox News poll, but really in the last

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<v Speaker 5>week or so in the mainstream media New York Times,

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<v Speaker 5>NBC News, CNN, the tone is very much, well, this

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be a good year for Democrats. But

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Michigan might be the exception.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of its yes, he had this very divided Democratic primary.

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<v Speaker 5>Some of is Mike Rogers is a better than average

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<v Speaker 5>Republican candidate. But a lot of it is just that

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<v Speaker 5>Abdul has a lot of baggage. And one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things I wrote about this week you was that he's

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<v Speaker 5>doing Labor Day weekend, this big Islamic Society of North

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<v Speaker 5>America conference. I know it's going to shock you, but

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<v Speaker 5>some of the speakers at this conference are controversial. Some

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<v Speaker 5>of these speakers are not, you know, nice people. And

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<v Speaker 5>if you're a dulas An you're running in a general election,

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<v Speaker 5>the primary is over right you already If your name

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<v Speaker 5>by itself is Abdul las A, people knew nothing else

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<v Speaker 5>about you, you would still going to do very well

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<v Speaker 5>amongst the Muslims who are voters in Michigan. Right, you

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<v Speaker 5>have that demographic locked up. If elected, abduls A ed

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<v Speaker 5>would be the first Muslim senator in the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>I could hear everybody making Barack Obama jokes hahaha, right

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<v Speaker 5>that It's one of those things where all say, yet

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<v Speaker 5>has this demo, this demographic locked up, and yet he's

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<v Speaker 5>spending part of it going to this conference associated with

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<v Speaker 5>some rarely shady characters. So now the quest like this

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<v Speaker 5>is not what any advisor would say. This is not

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<v Speaker 5>the strategy which you say, Okay, it's a general election.

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<v Speaker 5>You go to the middle, you go to the Apple Festival,

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<v Speaker 5>you go to these non controversial non Look, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>like you, I'm normal, you know, all this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's not doing that, which, if you're a Democrat

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<v Speaker 5>in Michigan, probably makes you nervous that he wants to

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<v Speaker 5>run as exactly the same guy he was in the primary,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's probably going to be a tougher sell than

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<v Speaker 5>a you know, generic democrat. The Democrat runing against John

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<v Speaker 5>James and the Gubernatoile race is running well ahead of him. So, like,

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<v Speaker 5>was it this week when they had Democrats for Rogers?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, there are a bunch of Democrats who

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<v Speaker 5>we look at this guy and say we can't liver

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<v Speaker 5>for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you about door number two, Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Garretty is Michelle Tafoya, who's coming up later this hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle is running in Minnesota, NFL sideline reporter. She's running

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<v Speaker 1>against another DSA or Peggy Flanagan who cause plays as

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<v Speaker 1>a fundamentalist Muslim woman dressed in full garb, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe that's and she's the lieutenant governor to Michael

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<v Speaker 1>tim Walls, and I'm beginning to think they may have

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<v Speaker 1>put that in play. I saw Poltay, She's down by four.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we saw Ruffini this week, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>the last two and a half minutes. Raffini said he

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<v Speaker 1>did a backwards looking analysis of thirty years in August,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the polling bias towards Democrats is in excessive five

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<v Speaker 1>percent two minutes to you, Jim Garretty.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's five percent, but I do

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<v Speaker 5>believe it exists to some extent. You mentioned the three

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<v Speaker 5>Martini Lunch, which I co host with Greg Corumbus Hugh.

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<v Speaker 5>In the history of our program, which is now sixteen years,

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<v Speaker 5>we have had eight guests. We don't do it very often.

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<v Speaker 5>It has to be somebody who we think of is

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<v Speaker 5>really special, somebody who's a big name, and somebody was

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<v Speaker 5>willing to do it, which is you know, three really

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<v Speaker 5>important criterias. I know you have like eight guests per hour,

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<v Speaker 5>but Michelle Tafoya is one of those eight guests we've

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<v Speaker 5>had in our history. And you know, if you're a

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<v Speaker 5>Minnesota Republican, you want to have your best candidates on

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<v Speaker 5>the field.

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<v Speaker 7>You have your best candidate.

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<v Speaker 5>And they avoided having mister my Pillow as their nominee

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<v Speaker 5>in one state wide race and they have they have

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<v Speaker 5>the state House speaker instead, and they have Michelle Tafoya.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, look, it's a bluish purple state at best.

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<v Speaker 5>It's never going to be easy for Republicans. But that's

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<v Speaker 5>the best candidate you could get. Obviously, Michelle Tafoya is

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<v Speaker 5>more than a natural on camera. I think she can,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, has this great relatability in a way that

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<v Speaker 5>your typical candidate doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have her on because she'd never been sent

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<v Speaker 1>to a Jets game? Because the NFL was nice to her.

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<v Speaker 5>She's been terrific in a bunch of Jet games here,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't know if she's ever been the Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see, so ya my.

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<v Speaker 1>Joke I got the last week, I got the harpoon

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<v Speaker 1>edition on Wednesday morning. Thank you, Jim. I'll tell Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>Tafoya that you said nice things about her when she's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up later in the hour. Don't go anywhere, America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm q Qwitt broke them back America. I'm Hugh Hewitt,

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<v Speaker 1>joined by Michelle Tafoya, who's going to be the next

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<v Speaker 1>United States Senator from Minnesota. Many people do not know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle is much more than an NFL sideline reporter for

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<v Speaker 1>many years. She went to Berkeley, she got her MBA

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<v Speaker 1>from USC, spent a Minnesota COLDI in for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really smart cookie, Michelle. Congratulations on your primary win.

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>In August. August the shows you're within almost margin of

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<v Speaker 1>air of Peggy Flannagan, who's this winger left wing nut.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about the race?

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<v Speaker 11>Listen, we think that the primary results told us a

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<v Speaker 11>lot about where Minnesota is. Our message is being heard, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 11>and we're so happy about it. We've been working extremely

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<v Speaker 11>hard since that primary ended. And look, I think the

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<v Speaker 11>more people learn how tied Peggy Flanagan was to the fraud,

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<v Speaker 11>to all of the just complete disruption in our state

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<v Speaker 11>over the last twenty years that she's been in office

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<v Speaker 11>getting a paycheck from the taxpayers, they start to understand

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<v Speaker 11>she's been part of this. She can say, oh, it

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<v Speaker 11>was the governor's fault, but she is right there at

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<v Speaker 11>the center of it. They have been attached at the hip.

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<v Speaker 11>That's when you start to see this pulling really change.

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<v Speaker 11>One of the things you were excited about is among independents,

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<v Speaker 11>we're leading by double digits. We think she's hit or

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<v Speaker 11>her ceiling, and our ceiling is still well ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Michelle Tafoya. One of the reasons I brought up

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<v Speaker 1>your Edie location credentials at Berkeley and USC much as

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<v Speaker 1>I hate USC as an Ohio state guy, I bring

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<v Speaker 1>them up because Peggy does not strike me as the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one card deck sort of thing, not going to

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<v Speaker 1>win the spelling Bee. Will you debate her? Will she

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<v Speaker 1>agree to debate you? Because I bet you she won't

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<v Speaker 1>come within a mile of you.

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<v Speaker 11>That'll be interesting. I think we're scheduling debates. I absolutely

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<v Speaker 11>want a debate. I want to hold her feet to

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<v Speaker 11>the fire. I want to ask her why healthcare is

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<v Speaker 11>diminished here in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask her how young is too young

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<v Speaker 3>for a child to get gender.

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<v Speaker 11>Affirming care that involves, you know, an operation having body

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<v Speaker 11>parts taken off. I want to ask her a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of questions, but mostly I want to ask her what

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<v Speaker 11>she was doing when all this fraud was happening, when

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<v Speaker 11>people came to their offices, when whistleblowers were there, when

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<v Speaker 11>Nick Shirley came to town and discovered the quality Leering Center,

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<v Speaker 11>Where was she?

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<v Speaker 3>What was she doing?

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<v Speaker 11>And by the way, she was in charge while Tim

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<v Speaker 11>Wallas was off running as the vice presidential nominee with

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<v Speaker 11>Kamawa Harris, she was in charge. She cannot turn her

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<v Speaker 11>back on her record. Her record is abysmal. I hope

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<v Speaker 11>she'll debate us.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Michelle, for decade, I would make the annual Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>State Fair. I love going there and broadcasting from there

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<v Speaker 1>for AM twelve eighty, The Patriot, Our Deluthe Affiliate, and

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<v Speaker 1>some of our other films. Are you going to be

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<v Speaker 1>working the fair, good old style of Minnesota? Yeah? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you like it?

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<v Speaker 3>You better believe it, and I hope we see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you coming?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm coming this year, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>I always remain open for a call from the minnesot Coldians.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to help them out when it's fowed up there.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of what will separate you, the fraud

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<v Speaker 1>issue is number one. But does she know anything about

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<v Speaker 1>national security? She hangs out with the radical DSA crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's not a winner even with some

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<v Speaker 1>traditional democratic constituencies.

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<v Speaker 11>I'll tell you a quick anecdote here and again this

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<v Speaker 11>is anecdotal, but to me, it tells you where Minnesotans

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<v Speaker 11>are starting to turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>A friend of mine is a conservative. She has a

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<v Speaker 3>neighbor who is.

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<v Speaker 11>A died in the wool Democrat. They never talk for

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<v Speaker 11>obvious reasons, but this neighbor came to her door the

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<v Speaker 11>other night, knocked at the door and said, Hi, I'm worried.

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<v Speaker 11>I think my party has let me down. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 11>should I put a sign in my yard? Will you

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<v Speaker 11>put a sign in your yard here?

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<v Speaker 3>The people? I think that can help.

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<v Speaker 11>Look, we feel a change here because when you look

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<v Speaker 11>at the options between common sense and crazy with Flanagan,

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<v Speaker 11>or Peggy fraud again as we like to call her,

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<v Speaker 11>being the option, being the alternative to someone who has

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<v Speaker 11>common sense, who wants law and order in Minnesota. And

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<v Speaker 11>by the way, Hugh, I'm proud to say I was

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<v Speaker 11>just endorsed by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association

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<v Speaker 11>just this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>We want that law and order.

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<v Speaker 11>We want our kids to get an education not an

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<v Speaker 11>indroctur nation. We want to make sure our sports are

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<v Speaker 11>fair for our kids in high school and college. We

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<v Speaker 11>want all of these things back that this current estate

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<v Speaker 11>bablishment turned on its ear and Peggy Flanagan's not going

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<v Speaker 11>to bring that, and we're going to continue to make

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<v Speaker 11>that case over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>We hope people come visit us at the State Fair

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<v Speaker 3>and learn more.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're you got to come out here. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to my friends over at AM twelve eighty

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots. Your ex account is at Michelle Underscore t Foya.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your website so people can figure out you've had

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<v Speaker 1>really quite a remarkable career.

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<v Speaker 11>You're very kind. Listen, let me just make a quick

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<v Speaker 11>note about that. It's Michelle Tafoya dot com. Michelle with

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<v Speaker 11>one l Tafoya.

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<v Speaker 3>Google it. I'm sure you'll get redirected.

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<v Speaker 11>Look, as you mentioned, I spent over thirty years in

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<v Speaker 11>sports journalism. I had a career, I had my education,

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<v Speaker 11>I loved my career.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very blessed you.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not in this because I'm desperate to become a politician.

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<v Speaker 11>I am in this because I love my country. I

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<v Speaker 11>love this state of Minnesota, and to watch it speeding

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<v Speaker 11>one hundred miles per hour in the wrong direction over

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<v Speaker 11>these past few years has been heartbreaking. And to see

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<v Speaker 11>it happen because we've had single party rule. We gave

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<v Speaker 11>them a shot, Hugh, we gave them their chance, and

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 11>they failed. They absolutely failed. So other people have to

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<v Speaker 11>come in now. Look, we have a crisis of leadership.

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<v Speaker 11>People need to step up. I'm ready to do that

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<v Speaker 11>for this state that I love and for this country

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<v Speaker 11>that I love.

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<v Speaker 1>And so last question, really in the weeds, have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen help from people like the Senate Leadership pack and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the outside groups and the Republican Party which

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<v Speaker 1>cannot coordinate with you under the new Supreme Court rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's been great.

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<v Speaker 11>Well since I got in in January, the NRSC Tim

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<v Speaker 11>Scott was one of the first people to endorse me,

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<v Speaker 11>the Great Rudy Boschwitz here in Minnesota endorse me. I

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<v Speaker 11>will be working with the Senate Leadership Funds starting next Monday.

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<v Speaker 11>And so yes, we've had some just absolutely wonderful support

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<v Speaker 11>in terms of fundraising, in terms of getting the message out.

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<v Speaker 11>We can't wait to work with these people to continue

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<v Speaker 11>to make things better. And as I've told all Minnesotans,

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<v Speaker 11>I'm going to work for them, Hugh, Theirs is the

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<v Speaker 11>endorsement that I care about most. I'm going to work

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<v Speaker 11>for them. When I think the administration is right, I

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<v Speaker 11>will say it. When I think they've made an.

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<v Speaker 3>Error, I will say it.

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<v Speaker 11>The last people I'm going to answer to are the

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<v Speaker 11>Minnesotans who send me there. So let's go, let's take

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<v Speaker 11>our Minnesota common sense with us and let's have some

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<v Speaker 11>sober leadership with a spine back in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well would that be a change for Minnesota. Michelle Tafoya

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<v Speaker 1>dot com Michelle Tafoya dot com. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>follow on x it's Michelle Underscore Tafoya, but start at

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Tafoya dot com. Find out, especially if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to me right now in Minnesota, and we cover most

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of the state. If you're listening to me right now

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota, go sign up for a campaign. Being on

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a campaign is fun. Go get involved, volunteer, be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the American democratic process. As boy, what a choice

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream center right Republican or Peggy Fradigan. I like that,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Michelle, that will stick Peggy Fradigan because

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<v Speaker 1>of course Minnesota's epic fraudway this year, remain front of

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<v Speaker 1>mine with many Gopher state voters. Thank you, Michelle Tafoya.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back, America, stay tuned you. Joined by

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Vic Madis. Vic Maddis is with the Washington

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Free Beacon. He is the co host of the Getting

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<v Speaker 1>Hammered podcast Vic. This week we are simulcasting with c

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<v Speaker 1>SPAN two, so I want to tell them all about

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<v Speaker 1>Getting Hammered in the Washington Free Beacon. And you I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to fight through your impending depression over losing

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<v Speaker 1>your son to college. I'm here to assure you that

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 1>the empty nest is an illusion. They come back and

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<v Speaker 1>back and back, and then they bring grandkids and they

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<v Speaker 1>come back and back and back, so there's really nothing

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>to be worried about. Thanks you.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's wonderful. It makes a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 7>to me. I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 10>Going to make a lot of sense to my wife, however,

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<v Speaker 10>no matter how many times I tell her that, And

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<v Speaker 10>we will power through this. And this is something to

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<v Speaker 10>be very proud about, that he's going off to college.

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<v Speaker 7>And yet the emotions remain high.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 10>And I could just I can just feel everything is

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<v Speaker 10>You're walking on thin ice right now, and it's you know,

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 10>it's it's it's gonna break on Sunday. I talked to

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 10>another former student who went to his college. Uh, and

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 10>he said, you just wait for that convocation speech and

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 10>there won't be a dry eye in the house.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm just I understand. I absolutely agree with you.

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<v Speaker 10>And I look forward to, you know, seeing him when

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<v Speaker 10>he comes back, you know, in Thanksgiving, which is only

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<v Speaker 10>a couple months from now.

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<v Speaker 7>And yet I'll be equipped with a box of tissues.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, vick, I was the third of three boys.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my parents threw me from a moving car

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>at college. I think that's the difference between the first

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 1>one living and the last one leaving is get out

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of here. We want to call clear out your rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand now tell people about getting hammered, because

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>we had we got a new audience. He spent two

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever get to know Brian Lamb, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the remarkable Brian Lamb? You know what, No, I did

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<v Speaker 1>not get a chance to know Brian Lamb.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd been on Sea Span with Peter Slun many years ago,

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<v Speaker 10>and I'm very yeah, and I'm very good friends with

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<v Speaker 10>the one and only Howard Mortman Span, who is a yep,

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<v Speaker 10>that's right, a terrific guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>And I've known him for many, many years.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh, and so very excited that you were simulcasting on

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<v Speaker 10>Sea Span at the moment, Hugh and getting hammered. Yes,

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 10>it's a weekly podcast I do with Mary Catherine Ham,

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 10>who many of you know from both doing your show

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 10>as well, Hugh went on Fox.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, And of course we like to talk.

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<v Speaker 10>About the news of the week, but sort of in

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 10>a very morning approach. Although I think our motto is,

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 10>you know, happy hours any hour, or something to that effect.

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 10>I already forget what the phrase is, but we often

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 10>say that we're underprepared and overcaffe ad, and that's kind

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 10>of playing up the casualness. Just imagine us discussing the

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.959
<v Speaker 10>news in your kitchen table, are in the car with you.

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<v Speaker 10>We're talking with you, not to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jovick. There are two podcasts that The Fetching Missus Schuett,

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>my wife of forty four years, and I both listen to.

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>One is the Acquired podcast, which is unusual. It's about business.

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I like it because it explains businesses to me. The

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Fetching Missus Sewett likes it because it gets into the

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<v Speaker 1>personalities of the people who start companies, entrepreneurial risk and

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>things like that and getting hammered. Getting hammered meets both

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of our demos, and so I want to recommend that

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to people. But since we do have the c Span

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>audience and it's a bookish audience. Lilac's this week called

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it the weather channel for smart people. Tell us about

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>what it means to be the arts and culture editor

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<v Speaker 1>for the Washington Freebeacon, which people can read it Freebeacon

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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it's a great job being the arts and culture

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<v Speaker 10>editor of the Washington Freebeacon. I do a newsletter called

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<v Speaker 10>The Weekend Beacon, and there we feature between four and

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 10>five reviews, so I really cut it down a lot

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 10>of places will offer. If you're a newspaper, you're doing

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 10>fifteen to twenty, it becomes overwhelming and sometimes it's hard

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 10>to keep up with reading that many reviews a week.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a lot of news going on.

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<v Speaker 10>The idea behind the Weekend Beacon is it's news that

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 10>you want to read, not just news that you have

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<v Speaker 10>to read, and it's at a leisurely pace. I'm going

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<v Speaker 10>to select for you three or four really interesting books,

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<v Speaker 10>oftentimes in eclectic collection, from not only books that are interesting,

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 10>but a lot of the writers that you will love,

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 10>whether it be Andy Ferguson or Dave Garrow or on occasion,

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 10>Hugh Hewitt. And you're not to be disappointed. And we

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 10>do movie reviews often from John Podd Hortz. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 10>a series right now on the greatest movies of nineteen

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 10>eighty six and we got a great one coming up

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<v Speaker 10>this Sunday with John J.

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<v Speaker 7>Miller on the Name of the Rose and Dave Garrow

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<v Speaker 7>is the feature.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and Dave Garrow is the feature on a book

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 10>called Nothing Left by Evan Barker, Confessions of Democratic Operative.

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 10>You're going to find it really interesting and sign up

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 10>for the newsletter at the Weekend Beacon. If you go

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 10>to Freebeacon dot com. That's how you can find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are three places left that book reviews that

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I read, Wall Street Journal Commentary again and the Free Beacon.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>And it used to be that the Washington Post book

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>review is fabulous. I used to trust the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>but I even read the New York Review of Books,

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>if you can believe it. I read the New Republic

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<v Speaker 1>for book reviews. It's a dying space. Vic. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, c span is the publishing industry's great

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<v Speaker 1>at friend.

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<v Speaker 7>That's right, and you're right, it's absolutely it's a dying

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<v Speaker 7>It's a dying space. Really.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 10>the Internet and people's attention spans. I mean, you just

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 10>see all these studies where people are not clearly as

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 10>reading as much as they want to. And a lot

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 10>of these places that had gone woke. You talk about

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<v Speaker 10>Wolke one point zero. A lot of places decided that

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<v Speaker 10>they were no longer interested in reviewing traditional books that

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<v Speaker 10>are interesting for the mainstream. Instead, they were searching for

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<v Speaker 10>books that they thought you needed to read to re

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 10>educate yourself. And that's not what I do at the

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<v Speaker 10>Weekend Beacon. I worked for twenty years at the Weekly

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 10>Standard magazine. We ran about five or six reviews a week.

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<v Speaker 10>So essentially I've imported that sensibility to the Weekend Beacon.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's going to be books that you're gonna find interesting.

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 10>And either it's books that you want to know about

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 10>or you hadn't known, but we think you're gonna find

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<v Speaker 10>really interesting or definitely word you away from certain books

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 10>that might be very popular, but we're going to say, hey, you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know this is bad news, don't waste your money. So

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 7>and that's what we try to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to ask you about Spencer Claven, who

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<v Speaker 1>was a first time guest yesterday. Has he crossed your

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<v Speaker 1>radarre yet?

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<v Speaker 10>You know, it's very funny if I were to show

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<v Speaker 10>you my iPhone on my notes page. I have a

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<v Speaker 10>number of things I need to do for the Weekend

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<v Speaker 10>Beacon section, and one of them was to contact Spencer

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 10>Claven because I'd love for him to write for my

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<v Speaker 10>section as well. I've been adding some really interesting people lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 10>I think Kyle Smith I just brought on and he's

0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 10>the regular movie reviewer at the Journal. Lot of other

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 10>serious folks coming on board. Uh so, just stay tuned

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 10>clear Spencer.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a really podcast. I haven't listened to it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed him for the first time in the program

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>yesterday because he has a book out Away with Words,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and he's a podcaster with Young Heretics and they're doing

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a six part series on Dante's Inferno. He's a PhD.

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<v Speaker 1>Classes from Oxford Model in college, so a really smart guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very impressive on air. I thought, Okay, there's hope

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<v Speaker 1>there there's another generation of book reading young writers out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think there's help, do you.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean there are still schools out there that

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<v Speaker 10>I know certainly where you know, my son is headed,

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<v Speaker 10>that's going to emphasize the importance of great books and

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<v Speaker 10>a traditional.

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<v Speaker 7>Classical liberal arts education.

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<v Speaker 10>They're not going to be strictly about you know, stem

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<v Speaker 10>and science stuff. That's gonna, you know, probably put them

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<v Speaker 10>in a precarious position when they graduate because of the

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<v Speaker 10>they're embracing the humanities. And I've just was reading articles

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<v Speaker 10>about a lot of employers looking for people looking for

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<v Speaker 10>young kids who are graduating who have a better knowledge

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<v Speaker 10>on these things. So I mean that, uh, there is

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<v Speaker 10>a glimmer of hope, but a lot of more, a

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<v Speaker 7>Work has to be done here, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hewett joined Guy Josh Crosshauer, Josh's editor in chief of

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Jewish Insider weekly guest on my program, Josh, I have

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<v Speaker 1>been following the Abdul said Mike Rogers race with great interest.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>ABLA has made mistake after mistake, and it is behind

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>in some polls and neck and neck and others. But

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I have seen, and I don't know how to judge,

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>an effort by Jewish leaders in Michigan to rally around

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Mike Rogers. Is that widespread or is that a half

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>dozen American Jews in a row. What is that?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, there are a lot of Jewish voters in Michigan

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 12>that are wary and probably will not vote for Abdul

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 12>l sayed. If you had me guests on the percentages, now,

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 12>I think over half of maybe well over half of

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 12>the Jewish community will not cast a ballot for l sied. Now,

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 12>will they vote for Mike Rodgers? Will actually take the

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 12>full step to voting Republican? I think a lot will.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, you saw one of the leading rabbis in

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 12>the Detroit area community, someone who actually happens to be

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 12>Rama Manuel's. One of Rama Manuel's rabbis said he is

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 12>endorsing Mike Rodgers and spoke very glowingly about him at

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 12>a press conference this morning. But you know the overall number,

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<v Speaker 12>I think you look at the primary numbers and seventy

0:35:55.400 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 12>plus percent of Democratic Jewish precincts voted for him at

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 12>Stevens and I think a lot of those same voters

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 12>are probably gonna have a tough time supporting l.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 7>Sai ed in a general election.

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<v Speaker 12>Especially against someone like Mike Rogers, who was a very

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 12>mainstream record from his time in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a mainstream moderate Republican from the middle of the

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:19.240
<v Speaker 1>country in Michigan. He spent fourteen years in Congress, state

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>legislator before that, Army lieutenant FBI agent just to like

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the perfect candidate for Michigan, and he's a second time

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>for the Senate. Meanwhile, I'll say it it's mac and

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Island the fourth of July. Thanks football is toxic and

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>came out against the Woodward Car Carnival, the dream cruise

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>with forty thousand cars in it. How many unforced eras

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>does he get away with?

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<v Speaker 13>Josh Croshe Well, the question is like what this is

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 13>a national environment that's favorable to the Democrats, So the

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 13>question is going to be how badly is l sa

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<v Speaker 13>Ed going to perform.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's a given.

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<v Speaker 12>You talk to any Democrat who thinks Elsaid is going

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 12>to underperform. The ticket pretty decide. But if the governor

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 12>candidate in that state, it's a close governor's race John

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 12>James and Benson the Democrat running against each other. But

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 12>if he underperforms by a little bit, then she can

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<v Speaker 12>still win. If he underperforms by a historic amount, which

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 12>is I think in the realm of possibility, I think

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 12>he loses or he probably loses the number. To look

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 12>at their two high quality polls that have come out,

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 12>the Fox News poll bipartisan poll that that is the

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 12>gold standard in the business, and also an ARP poll

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 12>which is done by a top Republican and Democratic polster.

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<v Speaker 12>Both of them showed one showed Rogers up by four,

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 12>one showed Lsied up by one.

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But the number to look at, nine.

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<v Speaker 12>Percent of Democrats in both those polls said that they

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 12>were going to vote for Mike Rodgers.

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 7>Rogers needs to get it.

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:44.879
<v Speaker 1>That's a large these days.

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 12>That's a that's a title wave for about ten percent

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 12>of Democrats to actually vote for a Republican. So keep

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 12>an eye on that number. Though those two poles are

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 12>among the best and the posters are among the best

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 12>in the business. The thing that Rogers don't needs to

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 12>worry about is the Independence. He's a little solid the

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 12>low information voters, the people who are not attuned to

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 12>the race. You know, Rogers is a smaller than expected

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 12>lead in the Fox powle. He's actually losing with Independence

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 12>in the in the ARP pole. So that is going

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 12>to be the other big swing voting block where you know,

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 12>because Elside is such an outsider and is so anti establishment.

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 12>He's tapping into what he hopes is some of that

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 12>independent vote, which I think with the ADS, and once

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 12>the campaign gets underway, that could very well swing more

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 12>to Rogers's direction.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Now, Josh down to Florida where one of the twin

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Vindaman brothers got blown out by Angie Nixon, a DSA

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>radical who really is not coming off as the brightest

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>knife in the drawer, never going to win the spelling bee.

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that impacts Democrats across the country. I think

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a nightmare for them.

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<v Speaker 12>What do you think, well, I think the notion that

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 12>the Democratic Party has gone off the deep end to

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 12>the left, and it's not just Florida, where we have

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 12>a DSA nominee for the Senate, say ed who is

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 12>certainly far to the left in that race. The fact

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 12>that Democrats need to win seats in red states like Ohio, Texas, Iowa.

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 12>These are states that are Trump won by over ten

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 12>points in the last election. It's gonna be hard to

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 12>get those final few points because you're gonna need to

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 12>get some pretty solidly Republican voters if you want to

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 12>actually get to fifty percent, and by reminding voters in

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 12>those states that you have a socialist wing of the

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 12>Democratic Party that's taken. That is a message that I

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 12>think is going to resonate and it's gonna be harder

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 12>to compete in those red states now.

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<v Speaker 1>On August eighteenth, Patrick Ruffini, one of the specialists inside

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>our beltwegh and he's a very well respected polling scientist,

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.720
<v Speaker 1>put out of study why Senate polling is always worse

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>in the summer. For four cycles in a row, the

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>polls have overestimated Democrats. Here's the history, usually by six

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>points in August. They overstate Democratic strength in every poll,

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>then they pull back as we get close. I don't

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's intentional.

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<v Speaker 12>What do you think, Well, some of it it's about

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 12>sampling and how big is your voting pool who's going

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 12>to show up for an election which.

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 7>Can vary year after a year.

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<v Speaker 12>The interesting finding in the new Michigan poll today it

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<v Speaker 12>was basically a tide race, I'll say it up by

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 12>one point. It found that voters over fifty who were

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 12>persuadable overwhelmingly with leaning towards Mike Rogers and going towards

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 12>Mike Rogers. It's the younger vote that is much more

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 12>to the left and is ls I ed's space. These days,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 12>young voters don't usually especially the youngest of voters don't

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 12>usually show up historically. I think a lot of the

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.359
<v Speaker 12>polling depends on a lot of that young progressive voting

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 12>base showing up in November for a midterm election. We'll

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 12>see what happens, but the turnout is going to drive

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 12>what the results are. And if you have an older

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 12>voting basis is typical for a midterm election. The numbers

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 12>that you see in the polls may be a little

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 12>too hot and too favorable for Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to my special Sea Span audience this week.

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<v Speaker 1>A note of explanation for this half hour of conversation

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I had since I went to college and read the

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Peloponnesian Wars by the Citidies and learned that Athens was

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 1>a sea power like US, and Sparta was a land

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>power like Germany. And after I went to work for

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>David Eisenhower and his grandfather's biography and learned about crossing

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the English Channel. And then I went to work for

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon and helped him write The Real War. I've

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>been interested in seapower and so I'm a civilian, not

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a sailor, but i have very interested in seapower, so

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I've tried to read everything I can. One of the

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>people who actually knows about seapower as a professional is

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>my friend, Captain Mark vandro He joined US now Captain

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Van Droff as a senior vice president at Finkinian Italian shipbuilder.

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.720
<v Speaker 1>He was also in President Trump's first administration senior director

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>at the National Security Council, with a lot to do shipbuilding.

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>So earlier this actually one week ago, the President put

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 1>out a presidential memorandum all and I cast about who

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>will talk to me? Mark got Captain Vandroff. Mark to me,

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Captain Vandroff, you got permission from Fink anterry to come

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and talk to me about it. So Captain, welcome back.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I want to tell the audience you're the

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<v Speaker 1>first person who actually took me to a shipbuilding factory

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to show me the un sexy side of shaft drives, right.

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 6>Right, that was I remember that that day. Well, we

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 6>were actually touring the facility out in California that makes

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 6>what's called reduction gear, so like the transmission in your car.

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 6>For most of the surface ships in the United States Navy.

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>So I was fascinated, and so I've gotten to Mark

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>for nuts and bolts. I got other experts like Captain

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Hendricks and others like Mark Montgomery. But I go

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to Mark. So Mark, I want to go through the

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>President's Memorandum, and the first paragraph and the last paragraph

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>are introductory and hortatory inclusory. Let's start and go right

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>to the heart of it. Section two Restoring steam and

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>hydraulic systems to carriers. Explain this please to steelers fans,

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, really break it down.

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 6>Make it simple, okay, So aircraft carriers launch aircraft. That

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 6>seems simple enough. To launch a high performance jet off

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:35.200
<v Speaker 6>an aircraft carrier, it has to be flung into the air.

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 6>The aircraft is actually attached to a sled in order

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 6>to provide enough acceleration so that when the jet comes

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 6>off the end of the aircraft carrier, its wings will

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 6>provide enough lift that it can continue its flight and

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 6>not get flung into the water. Historically, or at least

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 6>since the nineteen fifties, this sled has been powered by steam.

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 6>You build up high pressure steam and a steam red

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 6>of our release the steam and it sends the slide

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:08.320
<v Speaker 6>forward on the USS Forward, which is our newest aircraft

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 6>carrier for the first time that sled is powered by magnets.

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<v Speaker 6>That's been an item of some controversy, and I'll give

0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 6>both sides. The good thing about the magnets is you

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 6>can recharge a magnet faster than you can refill the

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 6>steam reservoir, so you can launch more aircraft because you

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 6>can launch another aircraft sooner. That's the good side. On

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 6>the bad side, it's expensive, it's somewhat tricky technology to

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 6>work with. And since we've gone to that and some

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 6>other magnetic technology for moving things around on the Ford

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.720
<v Speaker 6>and the follow ons, the ships just take longer to build.

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 6>So it's a balance of is it worth the cost

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 6>and the time. Is there a way to get that

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 6>cost and time down in order to get the performance

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 6>of the additional what what the carrier guys call a

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 6>better sortie rate, being able to launch more aircraft more quickly. Uh.

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 6>And I think this administration has come down with the

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 6>judgment that they'd rather go back to older technology that

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 6>would allow them to build the aircraft carriers suit quicker

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 6>or you know, get a quicker build cycle, not so

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 6>hard to install on the carrier. I think there's a

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 6>lot of folks in naval aviation who would take the

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 6>opposite side. I think there's been a lot of unfortunate

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 6>commentary in the news that makes it sound like it's

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 6>somehow silly. It is not a silly issue. This is

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 6>it's a real issue, and it's deserving of real study

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 6>because this is a difficult call. I think the administration

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 6>has signaled which side they're they're they're coming down on.

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So Captain Vandrov, anyone who's watching has seen me moderate

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a GOP presidential primary debate always knows I ask either

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>about shipbuilding or nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers, because it

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 1>because we're a sea power, and part of that is

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.759
<v Speaker 1>what Admiral Stavrite is retired, likes to say quantity as

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>a quality all of its own. Does the decision make

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<v Speaker 1>for more carriers or fewer carriers in this critical period

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>of time of a narrow gap with China.

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 6>The intent of the decision is absolutely for more carriers.

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 6>If you can build a carrier faster, you can put

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 6>more of them out there. So I think that's the

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 6>desire to increase the build rate of carriers. Was the

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 6>motivating factor behind this decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if the Trump administration follows through, and I expect

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>they will, and a Democrat wins and they change it back,

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 1>what kind of a disaster will that be for the aircraft?

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe it would be good to get one decision and

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 6>hold to it. Regardless of which way the decision is made.

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 6>It would be good to get one decision and hold

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 6>to it. Going back and forth for something as integral

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 6>to the construction of these aircraft carriers is would be bad.

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 6>The Trump administration, I think very wisely did not try

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 6>and alter the carrier number eighty the next enterprise because

0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 6>it's far enough along that it would be overly impactful

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 6>to its schedule. They're trying to phase this in on

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 6>in this case two carriers from now where they think

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 6>they can phase it in without creating a disruption.

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 1>And will Congress have the final say or is this

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:28.760
<v Speaker 1>up to the president as commander in chief?

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 6>This would normally fall under the Secretary of the Navy's

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 6>Title ten Authority for Acquisition, which obviously he's subject to

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.240
<v Speaker 6>the direction of the Secretary of War and the President.

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 6>But as you know, Congress kind of always has the

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:49.279
<v Speaker 6>final say because they can put writers in appropriations. They

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 6>can write language into the National Defense Authorization actety given years,

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:59.320
<v Speaker 6>so they can certainly direct and constrain the executive branch

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 6>through various piece of legislation.

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, as a civilian, I have no opinion on this.

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I just want them to make a decision and stick

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:09.240
<v Speaker 1>with it. Part two The Finland model for three kinds

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of ship ASW, roros and console Can you explain those again?

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>And stealer talk? What are those three kinds of ship

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and what is the Finland model? So? Sure?

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 6>So? First, of the three kinds of ships, all of

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 6>these are critical capabilities that the United States Navy or

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:31.320
<v Speaker 6>other parts of the United States government tasked with supporting

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:37.719
<v Speaker 6>the Navy probably doesn't have the amount they need. The

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 6>first one's easy. An ASW escort is a ship that

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 6>will escort other ships and screen and defend against submarines.

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 6>A console tanker. If you think about ships out on station,

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 6>they receive fuel from oilers from replenishment ships that bring

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.879
<v Speaker 6>them fuel for the aircraft. Fuel for the air you know, Jeff,

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.760
<v Speaker 6>for the air wing on an aircraft carrier, diesel fuel

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.920
<v Speaker 6>for the jet engines on a DDG. Console tankers are

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 6>big tankers that take a lot of fuel from a

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 6>shore station and distribute it to the oilers at sea,

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.400
<v Speaker 6>so the oilers can go back and forth, so there

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 6>are an intermediate link in the fuel chain that gets fuel.

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Out to ships.

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 6>Rowrows rowrow is slang for roll on, roll off. Those

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:28.440
<v Speaker 6>are very large ships designed to move heavy equipment, mostly

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 6>the heavy equipment of the army and the Marine corps,

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 6>from point A to point B. And it's called a

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 6>row row because the ship is designed so you can

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 6>drive a tank or a self propelled artillery piece or

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 6>a self propelled radar on and off the ship. Just

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.880
<v Speaker 6>drive it like you were driving over land, park it

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 6>on the ship, and then.

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Move the ship. What's the Finland model for building these

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>in two minutes?

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.399
<v Speaker 6>Finland model is what we did with the Coastguard did

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 6>with ice breakers. It means you have a partner nation.

0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 6>In the case of ice breakers, Finland builds the first

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.720
<v Speaker 6>number of units, while at the same time that partner

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 6>nation is investing in either building or upgrading a shipyard

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 6>in the United States of America and training Americans to

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 6>build out the rest of the class. So it gives

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:20.280
<v Speaker 6>you the best of both worlds. It gives you increasing

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 6>American jobs and capacity because you're getting that foreign investment

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 6>while you're allowing the foreign partner to fill an immediate

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.479
<v Speaker 6>need in capability. I think this is the best part

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 6>of the president's memorandum. I only wish that he had

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 6>increased it by one more class of ship. I think

0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.359
<v Speaker 6>the United States is desperately short of cable layers, and

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 6>this model selecting a foreign partner nation to be a

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:48.279
<v Speaker 6>partner to build an initial number of cable players while

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 6>the rest are built here in the United States. And

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 6>I say that full disclosure of fin Cantiri's subsidiary vart

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 6>is the world leader in cable layers, but it is

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:00.759
<v Speaker 6>a capability that the United States, It's government, I think

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:02.280
<v Speaker 6>is short of and desperately needs.

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I love full disclosure. We will be back with Captain

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Mark Van draft retarga United States Navy Senior Vice president

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 1>for fink An Terry, former National Security senior advisor in

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump one to go through public shipyards, component repair Center

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>and Navski. I've got him for three segments. I really

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be a service if the audience understood

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the presidential memorandum, which very few people pause to talk

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>about may be the most important thing for the next

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty years for America other than Golden Dome. So stay tuned.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. If you've listened

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to my program for years on the Salem Radio Network

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.040
<v Speaker 1>on the Salem News Channel this week on c SPAN,

0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>you know I covered navy issues a lot. Used to

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>do it with Admiral Stavritas retired. He's over at CNN

0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>now Adamal Mark Montgomery comes in. But I've always had

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.799
<v Speaker 1>two cap dos, rely on Captain Mark Van droffho has

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 1>written my guest right now, United States Navy retired Senior

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Vice President think can Terry Trump won National Security Council official.

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 1>And Jerry Hendrix, Captain Hendrix, who wrote this book which

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I keep in hand to provide and maintain a Navy,

0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the short book on that. But he can't be on

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the air with me unless he's cleared because he's in

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration right now. And Jerry, I mean Mark.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about a memo in which no doubt Jerry

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 1>had a hand was rough vote and the President. I

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 1>want to go to section four. The memo from the

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.799
<v Speaker 1>President declared we need a fifth public shipyard. Where are

0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>public shipyards? Where are they? And why do we need

0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 1>another one, and where's it going to be?

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.400
<v Speaker 6>So all good questions. A public shipyard very simply as

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 6>a shipyard that is owned by the United States Navy,

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:53.720
<v Speaker 6>so it's managed by Navy officials. All the workers, the welders,

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 6>the electricians, the crane operators are all government employees. The

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:03.480
<v Speaker 6>Navy historically had many public shipyards. In the nineties we

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.560
<v Speaker 6>had eight, and the BRAC process took eight down to

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 6>four before remaining public shipyards are in Norfolk, Virginia, in Portsmouth,

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 6>New Hampshire slash Kittery, Maine, depending upon which state official

0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:20.400
<v Speaker 6>you ask, because it's on the border of New Hampshire

0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:23.760
<v Speaker 6>and Maine and they argue about it. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii,

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 6>and then up in Puget Sound in the Pacific Northwest.

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 6>The Navy, for a variety of reasons, prefers to do

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 6>serious maintenance on nuclear ships. So the nuclear submarines, the

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 6>nuclear aircraft carriers get their maintenance done by the Navy itself,

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 6>under by government employees. And there's a lot of good

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 6>reasons for that. When we went from eight to four.

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 6>Now that we're looking to expand our number of submarines, especially,

0:55:56.120 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 6>we just don't have enough maintenance facilities within the the

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 6>public shipyards to do uh to do the maintenance we

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 6>need to do on the submarine side fleet that we

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 6>that we need to have. So the President, I think,

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 6>in this one very correctly recognizes we need a fifth yard.

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 6>The ideal candidates would be the two closed yards on

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:24.480
<v Speaker 6>the West coast, Long Beach and uh and Alameda, But

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 6>both of those since their closure in the nineties, have

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:32.040
<v Speaker 6>been developed by the local economy and would be hard

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 6>to recover. Most experts would tell you they're also in California,

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:37.840
<v Speaker 6>and California most.

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Experts would regulatory problems that are immense.

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 6>Indeed, but most most I think most analysts would say

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 6>that the yard needs to be in the Pacific because

0:56:55.120 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 6>it provides the additional benefit of providing a repair capacity

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 6>the in theater or close to theater if you were

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 6>in a conflict within the Indo Pacific. I certainly think

0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 6>that there's gonna be lots of different real estate around

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 6>the country interested in that fifth shipyard, you know. I

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 6>think anywhere where there's coastline, there's gonna be people interested

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 6>in it. But I think from a tactical strategic standpoint,

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 6>closer to the fight would be better.

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Mark I question if Congress passed a Notwithstanding any other

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 1>law or regulation act, it is an emergency situation, and

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 1>we need a fifth shipyard, and the and we are

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>appropriating a trillion dollars or whatever it is to buy

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and build a public Navy shipyard at a point of

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the sect navs choosing and to commence immediately. How long

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:47.520
<v Speaker 1>till that could be up and running.

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 6>It depends on if you're going from a place where

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 6>there's absolutely no no capability now if it was just

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 6>a blank sheet of paper versus if you were recommissioning

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.360
<v Speaker 6>someplace that used to be a shipyard.

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>So like you could.

0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 6>Probably go quicker in Alameda, if you know, depending on

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:10.960
<v Speaker 6>what condition they're dry docks are in, if you're going

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 6>to improve those docks, as an example, you could be

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 6>up and running, you know, maybe in a couple of years.

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 6>If you were building from scratch, a graving dock big

0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 6>enough to take a Virginia class submarine is probably you know,

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 6>three years worth of construction. As an example, we put

0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 6>in a new shiplift at the think Cantieri's yard in Marinette,

0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Wisconsin after it was bought in order to bring it

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 6>up to be a to produce modern surface combatants, and

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.760
<v Speaker 6>between the permitting, which I know you know a lot about,

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 6>and then the dredging and then the building of that,

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 6>it was a two and a half year job to

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 6>put in a modern shiplift. I expect if they were

0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:57.800
<v Speaker 6>going to do a graving dock or a shiplift somewhere

0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 6>in the West Coast, it would be a simil or

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:03.800
<v Speaker 6>build cycle, and you'd have to do more than one.

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 6>You'd be working on multiple ones at the time. So

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.640
<v Speaker 6>it's a two to three year effort to get the

0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 6>facility up and running out of it.

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I should amend and extend my remarks. If Congress passed

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 1>a notwithstanding any law ignoring the Coastal Commission, overriding all

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:22.600
<v Speaker 1>federal and state and local regulations and condemning whatever local

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 1>use is at Alameda, That's where I go. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be protected by MIRAMA. I mean, it just makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. That's where I go. But that would

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<v Speaker 1>require a sweeping statute to clear with the debris. What

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<v Speaker 1>is a component repair center and why do we need one?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm going to use the last segment on NAVC reform.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's a component repair segment?

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<v Speaker 6>What it is is it's a central repository where you

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<v Speaker 6>would either store repair parts or build specialty repair parts

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<v Speaker 6>for a particular class of ship. In this case, it

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<v Speaker 6>refers to our submarines, and I think specifically, even though

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<v Speaker 6>it mentions the Los Angeles Glass and the Virginia Class

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<v Speaker 6>and the Ohio Class, I think this is really targeted

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<v Speaker 6>at our aging Los Angeles class fleet. The administration correctly

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<v Speaker 6>wants to keep the Los Angeles class ships in service

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<v Speaker 6>for absolutely as long as possible. Some of them are

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<v Speaker 6>old enough that they have a lot of components that

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<v Speaker 6>just aren't available anymore in the open market. So this

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<v Speaker 6>is a centralized storehouse and fabrication using things like three

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<v Speaker 6>D printing and other advanced manufacturing to keep enough repair

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<v Speaker 6>parts in a central location, made stocked, sent out so

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<v Speaker 6>they can keep some of our older submarines in service

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<v Speaker 6>for absolutely as long as possible in order to keep

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<v Speaker 6>our submarine count up.

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<v Speaker 1>And how long would it take? Where would it be

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<v Speaker 1>and how long would it take? I think this.

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<v Speaker 6>Could be ideally in any centralized place that had good

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<v Speaker 6>road rail access, so you could put it nearly anywhere

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<v Speaker 6>in the country again, and I'm sure there are lots

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<v Speaker 6>of different regions that would like to have this around,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. And you could put it in a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of different places if you if the people didn't care

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<v Speaker 6>about watching bad football, they could put it in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 6>the uh and and the uh uh but the uh uh.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, so where it goes as long as it's

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<v Speaker 6>uh connected to a good logistics train, if could go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think this could be up in the in

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<v Speaker 6>a matter of of you know, certainly less than two years,

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<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this Pentagon could get it done in a

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<v Speaker 6>year because they tend to move fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, if the Congress passed and notwithstanding any law, how

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<v Speaker 1>many jobs are we talking about with a facility like this,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain van.

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<v Speaker 6>Drot Oh, I I have not dug in enough beyond

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<v Speaker 6>the executive order to put a number on that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>if you like, if you said, how many yard jobs

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<v Speaker 6>is that is that fifth shipyard, I'd say that fifth

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<v Speaker 6>shipyard is probably like three thousand to four thousand workers.

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<v Speaker 6>Based on the size of our other public yards, the

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<v Speaker 6>competitent Repair Center. I'd have to study more to give

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<v Speaker 6>you an actual job counch.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm coming back one more segment with Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Van Draft for charge United States Navy, Senior Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Ken Terry, former Trump won National Security Council official,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what NAVSEY is, what reforms are proposing,

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<v Speaker 1>the President's memorandum, why we need him, and whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not Secretary cow or Acting Secretary Cowie how to be

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary cow can get it done. Stay with us. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewett. Continue to talk with Captain Mark Van Draft,

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<v Speaker 1>retired United States Navy. He's a Senior Vice President viin

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<v Speaker 1>can Terry, former President Trump official in the NSC National

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<v Speaker 1>Security Council in the first administration, and we come to

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<v Speaker 1>navsee Mark for the audience. The depth sec of Defense,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Feinberg is doing a fabulous job that nobody knows about,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reform to defence acquisition. And I think Acting

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary An Kao is doing a great job with the Navy.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he gets a vote and it gets nominated

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<v Speaker 1>permanent secretary. But you get five minutes to try and

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<v Speaker 1>explain what NAVC specifically is and what the Presence Memorandum

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<v Speaker 1>proposals be done to reform it.

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<v Speaker 6>So thanks you. So NAVC is an acronym that stands

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<v Speaker 6>for the Naval Sea Systems Command. All the services have activities,

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<v Speaker 6>each organized a little differently, but within the Navy a

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<v Speaker 6>Systems Command, because there's also the Naval Air Systems Command

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<v Speaker 6>and a few others, is a large organization which is

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<v Speaker 6>charged with a cradle to grave from the research and

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<v Speaker 6>development to develop a capability, through acquiring the capability, through

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<v Speaker 6>taking care of the capability through its life cycle, and

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<v Speaker 6>then disposing it. So the Naval Sea Systems Command does

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<v Speaker 6>that for ships and submarines. The depsec War and the

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<v Speaker 6>Undersecretary for War for Acquisition early on in the Trump

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<v Speaker 6>two administration really has already done some sweeping reforms, not

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<v Speaker 6>just for the Navy, but how all the Department of

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<v Speaker 6>War Acquisition operates. It sounded less impactful than it really is,

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<v Speaker 6>but they've changed the authorities around to really provo. I

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<v Speaker 6>selected individuals with a lot of authority across both contracting,

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<v Speaker 6>technical and budgeting and programmatic to try to drive more

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<v Speaker 6>accountability and drive out bureaucratic friction in order to accelerate programs.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's having and will have a very significant

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<v Speaker 6>positive effect. I think NABSI has already gone through that

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<v Speaker 6>level of reorganization, as the rest of the Department of

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<v Speaker 6>War has, but this presidential memorandum directs a study to

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<v Speaker 6>see what else Navsey needs to do to get into

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<v Speaker 6>the twenty first century. I mean, I spent most of

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<v Speaker 6>my career in the Navy either at NAVSTY headquarters or

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<v Speaker 6>in various NAVSY field commands. I ended my career in

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<v Speaker 6>command of one of their largest field commands, the Naval

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<v Speaker 6>Surface Warfare Center, card Rock, is where I finished my

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<v Speaker 6>naval career. But in a lot of ways, they really

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<v Speaker 6>still have a nineteen eighties set up, organization, and mentality,

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<v Speaker 6>and they need to be brought into the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 6>They have processes that work very well for the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 6>and in order to meet the challenges today, it probably

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<v Speaker 6>does take a fresh approach, And this memorandum tells Secretary

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<v Speaker 6>Cow to go and study what that fresh approach will

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<v Speaker 6>look like and report back to the President. And I

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<v Speaker 6>have every confidence I know Secretary Cow at least a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit fellow Naval Academy graduate, and I am sure

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<v Speaker 6>he will get this one right.

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<v Speaker 1>So two questions to close with Ungress gets involved and says,

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<v Speaker 1>in the next NBAA on a reconciliation bill, do this

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<v Speaker 1>reorganized in six months? Would that help? And the second

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<v Speaker 1>question would be can you actually get it done in

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump years, because it's actually a bigger question. Have

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<v Speaker 1>we fallen too far behind China to catch up? I

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<v Speaker 1>try and be an optimist.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe, you know, America's pulled off things, amazing things

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<v Speaker 6>in the past, so I don't think we've fallen too

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<v Speaker 6>far behind China to catch up. I like the fact

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<v Speaker 6>that this memorandum uses allies and partners in the Finland model. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 6>my company, think Cantri and you know, as a company

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<v Speaker 6>that's based in Italy, one of those allies and partners,

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<v Speaker 6>it wants to be part of the solution to providing

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<v Speaker 6>the sea power that the United States needs. So I

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<v Speaker 6>think we've got that going for us. Certainly, Congressional support

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<v Speaker 6>is critical for any major reform effort. It's a co

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<v Speaker 6>equal branch of government and ultimately they hold the power

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<v Speaker 6>of the purse. So the President's going to need to

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<v Speaker 6>have Congress on board in order to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Can it be done within the remaining years of the

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<v Speaker 6>Trump administration. You can get a long way there. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 6>whoever follows of whatever political party is going to need

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<v Speaker 6>to be committed to this because it took us from

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<v Speaker 6>President Reagan deregulating the civilian shipbuilding industry in the early

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<v Speaker 6>eighties till now that thirty five forty years. It took

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<v Speaker 6>us thirty five or forty years to dig ourselves into

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<v Speaker 6>this hole. You're not going to dig out in two years.

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<v Speaker 6>But as you were fine to say, the first rule

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<v Speaker 6>of holes is stop digging, digging. This memorandum is a

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<v Speaker 6>direction to stop digging and start filling in the hole

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<v Speaker 6>as fast as you can so.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark van Draft, Captain van Draft, I greatly appreciate a

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh Steeler Guys fan and a Florida Gators fan guide

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<v Speaker 1>to understanding. I got you back see to understanding what

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<v Speaker 1>this memorandum means, and I hope it will get other

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<v Speaker 1>people to read it and study it and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Captain Mark Vandroff. Stay tuned, America. I'm Cucurett.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back in America. I'm good. Hewitt Seth Bendel, Senior

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<v Speaker 1>editor at Commentary Magazine, joins me. Seth of all the

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts around the world that I listened to. The one

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<v Speaker 1>that's most schizophrenic about Donald Trump and the Iran War

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<v Speaker 1>is yours at Commentary. I listened to it every day.

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<v Speaker 1>This week is a special week of author by author.

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<v Speaker 1>But some days you're happy, some days you're sad, some

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<v Speaker 1>days you're joyful, sometimes you're crying. I think this has

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<v Speaker 1>been a very good week.

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<v Speaker 14>We contain multitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it's been a very good week. Though

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<v Speaker 1>for the war, I think Iran is crumbling. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I think one thing that we've always said on

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<v Speaker 14>the podcast from the beginning is that Iran has way

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<v Speaker 14>more to lose from a ro tracted conflict than the

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<v Speaker 14>United States does. They just cannot endure the same degree

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<v Speaker 14>of economic disruption that we can. And so what they've

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<v Speaker 14>done is they've tried to play our public against itself

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<v Speaker 14>and whipped up bad headlines and of course the price

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<v Speaker 14>of make sure the price of gas goes up, things

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<v Speaker 14>like that, and those have been effective, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 14>change the fact that the negative effects we have felt

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<v Speaker 14>won't destroy the United States but Roan. This is an

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<v Speaker 14>existential conflict for Iran, and its money will eventually run out,

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<v Speaker 14>especially if we continue to find ways through and around

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<v Speaker 14>the strait of horror Moones.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Secretary Besson's giving a big announcement on Monday about

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<v Speaker 1>how we go to the wall. We've always had maximum sanctions,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna do more. It might be the swift

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<v Speaker 1>bank system. I don't know what it is, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do more. And I like this, And I

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<v Speaker 1>also think I agree with the commentary podcasters when you

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<v Speaker 1>guys say I wish President Trump would do more than

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<v Speaker 1>say they can't be in nuclear power, which you explain

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<v Speaker 1>how Germany could have been stopped in thirty four, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five or thirty six and it wasn't. And that Iran

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<v Speaker 1>BB before breakout is a lot easier to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>than Iran AB after breakout. In fact, they can't be

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with, And that the States are huge and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to see this through. Is that the missing piece

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind, Just explain it again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 14>That is part of it, and the other missing pieces

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<v Speaker 14>just to make sure that we actually craft a strategy

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<v Speaker 14>and stick to it. And part of that is enforcement. Right,

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<v Speaker 14>So the president's decision to go full economic pressure, economic

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<v Speaker 14>warfare is the kind that could win the conflict. But

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<v Speaker 14>he has to make sure that there's no holes in

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<v Speaker 14>the bucket. Dear Liza, you know he's got you know it.

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<v Speaker 14>He Earlier this year, Pakistan opened a land bridge to Iran.

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<v Speaker 14>What it did was it opened.

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<v Speaker 1>Its ports to goods that could be shipped.

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<v Speaker 14>To Iran and from Iran, and that means that China

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<v Speaker 14>can can trade. Essentially, China can trade with Iran without

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<v Speaker 14>through Pakistan, without having to pay Pakistani import duties. So

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<v Speaker 14>it's a it's just a way to circumvent the blockade.

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<v Speaker 14>It's not necessarily illegal, although it will be against the

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<v Speaker 14>next plan, as the plan that the President is expected

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<v Speaker 14>to announce that Besn't is expected to announce in full,

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<v Speaker 14>it would violate those terms almost certainly. But he's going

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<v Speaker 14>to have to make sure that those holes are sewn up,

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<v Speaker 14>those loopholes don't come through because Pakistan, which is negotiating

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<v Speaker 14>the terms of these deals, has been allowing Iran to

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<v Speaker 14>first of all, allow ships with oil to hang around

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<v Speaker 14>in Pakistani ports just to try to beat the blockade

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<v Speaker 14>or stick it out until the blockade ends. And they've

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<v Speaker 14>also been, like I said, opening these land bridges and

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<v Speaker 14>canceling import duties for countries who want to trade with Iran.

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<v Speaker 14>So you need Pakistan online and all aboard a program

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<v Speaker 14>like this, and if you do that, then yeah, for

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<v Speaker 14>sure it can. But you have to really have to

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<v Speaker 14>decide and stick with it.

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<v Speaker 7>Is the other part.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably too young to remember. The day after nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven, not long after, Richard Armattene, then Deputy Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State, flew to Semous Sharaf, the President of Pakistani

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<v Speaker 1>said this is what you're going to do, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is when, and it's stuck for a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>We scared the daylights out of them. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do that with Iran. But I do listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Richard Goldberg. I wonder if you do. When Richard

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<v Speaker 1>goes on with Mark bublowit's on Foundation for Defensive Democracies.

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<v Speaker 1>It really sounds like Operation Freedom is going and that

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<v Speaker 1>the oil is coming out of this great do you get?

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<v Speaker 1>And new pipelines are being built at the speed of Trump.

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<v Speaker 14>Rich knows better than I do of those specifics, and

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<v Speaker 14>I love listening to him because I love good news.

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<v Speaker 14>So he's been, yeah, he's been. He's been sunny about that,

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<v Speaker 14>and uh, and he's not one to make this stuff up.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, he knows what he's talking about. This is

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<v Speaker 14>this is an issue on which you know, he's had

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<v Speaker 14>the info nailed down for a long time. This is

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<v Speaker 14>his wheelhouse and so I trust that what he's saying

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<v Speaker 14>is true. And so if that's really the case, then

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<v Speaker 14>as I said before, the economic toll that we take

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<v Speaker 14>is even less and the economic toll that Iran takes

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<v Speaker 14>is even more so.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the endgame in Seth Mandel's might in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cup against the regime by elements of the

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<v Speaker 1>artest or even within the IRGC, because nobody's getting paid.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your game look like?

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<v Speaker 14>It has to be and everybody hates using the term

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<v Speaker 14>regime change, but it has to be a change of

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<v Speaker 14>the regime. This can't the current regime. And they've made

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<v Speaker 14>this more official lately by the way the Supreme Leaders

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<v Speaker 14>has appointed to senior posts IRGC officials and given IRGC

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<v Speaker 14>that's the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the besieged militia,

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<v Speaker 14>has given them more power over domestic policy. He has

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<v Speaker 14>essentially turned this structurally into the IRGC state. It is

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<v Speaker 14>not now a state with an IRGC that goes abroad

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<v Speaker 14>and makes trouble and a besiege that beats people up

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<v Speaker 14>at home. That's the state now, and so from this

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<v Speaker 14>you can't have peace because, as the Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 14>report the other day laid out in specifics about the

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<v Speaker 14>intercepted communications between Iran and the Gulf countries, Iran is

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<v Speaker 14>the one that has decided, Supreme Leader supposedly that this

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<v Speaker 14>war is not going to end. Iran is the one

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<v Speaker 14>that decided to scuttle the deal that was taking shape

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<v Speaker 14>over the Strait of horror moves these This is Iran's

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<v Speaker 14>decision to continue and prolong this war, and what we

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<v Speaker 14>know now is that they can. They're planning for this

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<v Speaker 14>to go on indefinitely. So I don't see how you

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<v Speaker 14>don't get some sort of significant change regarding who's in charge,

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<v Speaker 14>but still ends the state of hostilities.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the most important question and the most

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<v Speaker 1>important discussion for Americans to focus on, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon and the President and the Treasury Department and

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA is doing that. Seth Mandel always good to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Follow him on exit. Sethe Mandel read

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<v Speaker 1>him at commentary dot org. Listening to the commentary podcast

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<v Speaker 1>every Day