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Speaker 1: Good Thursday to you. I am Hugh Hewett. I want
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Speaker 1: at KFI in the early nineteen nineties. Been a broadcast
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Speaker 1: my best interviews over there. I want to begin today
Speaker 1: by talking a little bit about what the Democrats have done,
Speaker 1: because it'll be a theme throughout the program today. Given
Speaker 1: the Miranda Divine call him on what John ossoff slander
Speaker 1: of Natalie Harp has done, which is make Georgia competitive race,
Speaker 1: it broke through to the wrong people. Normal Georgians look
Speaker 1: up and said, why did John Osoff imply that this
Speaker 1: hard working young woman whose life was saved by the
Speaker 1: right to try and as an event, Jellico Christian and
Speaker 1: loves Donald Trump in an administration? Why did John Osoff
Speaker 1: imply that she was having an affair with Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: And that's because John Osoff was attacking Donald Trump. She
Speaker 1: was collateral damage. Didn't matter, but you know what, it
Speaker 1: did matter. America doesn't like that. They know that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump punches hard and heyone punches it him. They know
Speaker 1: he's got his own standards. They know he has his
Speaker 1: own unique style and it defends a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But they don't believe in attacking his staff attack Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Osoff didn't do that. He attacked Natalie Harp, an innocent
Speaker 1: woman that I have a daughter, I have granddaughters. I
Speaker 1: do not want them and to have their character in
Speaker 1: pune by political actors if they happen to work for
Speaker 1: an executive who has them working a lot of hours.
Speaker 1: Natalie Harp works around the clock, been working hard this week.
Speaker 1: For example on the East Wing case, she works hard.
Speaker 1: I only deal with Nalie via text when I want
Speaker 1: the president on the radio program, on the television show,
Speaker 1: I texted Natalie. She gets the ball rolling if it's
Speaker 1: going to work and hands it off to the comms team.
Speaker 1: But she's always always on and always always working, and
Speaker 1: she's great at it. And Washington Media took out a
Speaker 1: previous personal assessant to the President madelon Westernhouse. I knew
Speaker 1: Madeline two, and I think they like to pick on
Speaker 1: young women, legacy media and Democrat candidates. And I repeat myself.
Speaker 1: But John Ossoff More on that later. But John Ossoff
Speaker 1: is one of eight candidates Democrats have nominated this year.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you know them all. We've
Speaker 1: got Angie Nixon in Florida, hard left, Peggy Flanning in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: hard left, Abdua lsi Ed hardest left up in Michigan,
Speaker 1: James tul Rica weird and left in Texas, Troy Jackson
Speaker 1: hard left in Minnesota. Roy Cooper pretends to be not
Speaker 1: hard left, but is hard left, soft on crime, soft
Speaker 1: and immigration, shared brown, old and hard left infirm like
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and hard left in Ohio. And John Ossoff
Speaker 1: beij basically and nobody from no where. And he had
Speaker 1: to get some attention because he thinks he can run
Speaker 1: for president, so he tried to get some attentions blown
Speaker 1: up in his hands. And they know it because if
Speaker 1: you say anything about it online, all the left wing
Speaker 1: trolls come out, all the apparatricks that left, the aging
Speaker 1: aperatricks that the left come out and defend John Assaf,
Speaker 1: doesn't work, doesn't work America saw America. I heard America
Speaker 1: Judge John Ossaf. But where do we now? We know
Speaker 1: all of these people by what Angie Nixon and I'll
Speaker 1: do lsay Ed tells us about them. Here's Angie Nixon
Speaker 1: at the Clay County Speaks podcast with Daniel Marie Foster.
Speaker 1: Cutdamber one, what.
Speaker 2: Is your opinion on specific democratic reforms such as abolishing
Speaker 2: the electoral college, abolishing the filibuster, allowing non party affiliated
Speaker 2: voters to participate in primary primary elections, implementing different voting
Speaker 2: systems like rank choice voting.
Speaker 3: You can break it down, so obolsol college.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. I would leave in a I
Speaker 1: believe one vote, one person, and yes that's enough for
Speaker 1: that cut. She wants to repel the constitution. We're not
Speaker 1: getting really electoral college because it's not happening. It's a
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment. So either she's not smart or she's a radical.
Speaker 1: Cut number two with Danny Marie Foster.
Speaker 4: You gotta get these you gotta close these corporate text loopholes.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: You have to put the DEI policies.
Speaker 6: Back in.
Speaker 1: De I back there you go again DSA candidate represents
Speaker 1: all these Senate candidates. I talked about Angie Nixon on
Speaker 1: Midas Touch, this time with Katie Fang, Cut number three.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking.
Speaker 7: Forward to going to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: To provide every day hardworking people with some relief after
Speaker 1: we work to you know, impeach and I vote to
Speaker 1: remove Donald Trump and wet there you go. Uh, she
Speaker 1: doesn't get to vote to impeach. She's a member of
Speaker 1: the Senate. She can vote to remove and convict. She
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. I don't think it's going on to
Speaker 1: cut number five. Angie Nixon on MS Now with Simone Sanders,
Speaker 1: talking about her decision recently to join the dsay the
Speaker 1: cult of revolutionary sort of French revolutionary fanatics inside the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party that has taken over this cycle. Cut number five.
Speaker 4: Did you join DSA? Is it about the organizing capacity
Speaker 4: and less about the issues? Because even today, like Republicans
Speaker 4: across the country, but especially the Republican Senate Campaign Committee,
Speaker 4: they are coming out hitting you as a socialist. It's
Speaker 4: not aligned with Florida values. But the answer you're giving
Speaker 4: today makes me feel like it is not about the socialists,
Speaker 4: It's about the organizing capacity. Is that accurate? It's actually yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's actually about the issues that they care about the most.
Speaker 3: Right and DSA. They didn't help me on my campaign,
Speaker 3: they didn't endorse me.
Speaker 1: What issue they care about the most. They hate the
Speaker 1: United States Constitution. They're on record. I play that for
Speaker 1: you today. They want to get rid of the Senate,
Speaker 1: they want to get rid of the electoral college. They
Speaker 1: hate the United States way of government. They want centralized government.
Speaker 1: They want a dictatorship. That's where it always ends up
Speaker 1: with French revolutionaries. Let me jump down to abdu al
Speaker 1: Sayed campaigning at a presser yesterday, cut number ten. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you just make it just happen there? If
Speaker 1: you guys saying you're in an arab you don't care
Speaker 1: about black pols. You know, I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: but I continue to hearing from older black folks and
Speaker 1: people like to some of that Sall's colleagues, somebody that
Speaker 1: they're uncommitted for you.
Speaker 8: You know, there's been an effort, I think, to divide
Speaker 8: people against each other, and unfortunately, you see that the
Speaker 8: consequence of that to tell us that some group or
Speaker 8: another group have to be counterposed because there's not enough
Speaker 8: for all of us. I am Arab, I'm also African.
Speaker 8: My family immigrated to this country from Egypt. I'm proud
Speaker 8: of my African heritage.
Speaker 1: All right. I just want to throw a flag here.
Speaker 1: He is from Egypt, his family is from Egypt. He's
Speaker 1: an Egyptian American. He's an American citizen born in the
Speaker 1: United States, no doubt about it. Muslim, that's fine. Egyptians
Speaker 1: don't often identify as blacks and as Africans. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's gonna work. The fact he's worried about this
Speaker 1: is because he did not pull well in the primary
Speaker 1: in the black precincts of Detroit, because they don't like him,
Speaker 1: because the radical leftists and black people want jobs in Michigan.
Speaker 1: They want Carks to come back. He hates the American
Speaker 1: Dream Cruise. He's actually just kind of a nut, like
Speaker 1: Angie King. Mike Rogers had this to say, he's running
Speaker 1: against mainstream Mike Rodgers. Mainstream Mike Rogers, mster down the middle,
Speaker 1: Michigan Republican cut number eleven.
Speaker 9: I advocate for a government takeover of health insurance because
Speaker 9: health insurance offers no value. What medicare for all does
Speaker 9: is it doesn't weigh with the private insurance market because
Speaker 9: instead of having a whole bunch of players, you have
Speaker 9: one day and that is the federal government.
Speaker 8: Medicare for All guarantees you a public health care plan
Speaker 8: and nhure private one.
Speaker 7: Medicare for All comes in in saggy.
Speaker 9: No more of this insurance.
Speaker 8: Than disc Reach one insurance, and that is the government
Speaker 8: of the United States.
Speaker 1: What you have is the state operating has your insurance.
Speaker 10: It is going to require taxes, and the question of
Speaker 10: how much of those taxes we would ask working Americans
Speaker 10: to pay.
Speaker 9: But I think it's important that from a political and
Speaker 9: company perspective that everybody pays a bid.
Speaker 1: In, everybody pays a bid in, and everybody loses their
Speaker 1: healthcare insurance and Medicare goes broken and serves seniors anymore.
Speaker 1: I'll said, it is just as radical as Angie King,
Speaker 1: who was just as radical as Troy Jackson, as Tallarrica
Speaker 1: is also weird, just as radical as Peggy Flanagan. I'll
Speaker 1: talk with Michelle Deefoye after the break, Just as radical
Speaker 1: as John Ossoff and the ethics of his scumbag. Roy
Speaker 1: Cooper pretends to be a moderate, not a moderate, soft
Speaker 1: on crime, soft on illegal immigration, shared brown, old and crazy.
Speaker 3: Up Mandis.
Speaker 1: Brook. I'm back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I want to
Speaker 1: tell my Sea Span audience, especially about my next guest,
Speaker 1: Jim Garretty. If you take the Washington Post, look at him.
Speaker 1: There's my friend of me. He's reading about the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns because he's a Jets fan, and that's how he
Speaker 1: reads down. He gives himself hope by reading about the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Uh, let me give your Wall.
Speaker 5: Street Journal tells rock bottom quarterback competition, discussing Shadura Sanders
Speaker 5: and Deshaun By Anyway, we're not here to talk about that,
Speaker 5: and you know we're not.
Speaker 1: I will get you back, mister Jets fan. Let me
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Speaker 1: weekly columnist for the Washington Post. Column appears on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: and listen to nothing that he says about the Browns
Speaker 1: because he's a paid assassin. Hates the Browns because they
Speaker 1: beat the Jets at every opportunity. Garrity, not many of
Speaker 1: them now, there aren't many of it. I call him
Speaker 1: the indispensable because he'd been on the program for more
Speaker 1: than twenty years, and we've been doing this shtick for
Speaker 1: twenty years. Jim, I want to start by asking you
Speaker 1: a very where do you think this election is going?
Speaker 1: Because the Republicans should get wiped out, but the Democrats
Speaker 1: are trying very hard with Angie Nixon and abduh Al
Speaker 1: Sayed and Peggy Flanagan and Troy Jackson and John ass
Speaker 1: Off and James tell Rico to keep the Republicans in
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The pessimistic take is that we are in for two
Speaker 5: thousand and six again. And I think it was last
Speaker 5: week when I was in this program where you mentioned
Speaker 5: how long we've been doing it, and I realized that, yes,
Speaker 5: I've been doing your program since before I had kids,
Speaker 5: and I dropped off my older one at college this week.
Speaker 5: And it's a science now how long we've been doing this.
Speaker 5: So I have I would say, have traumatic memories of
Speaker 5: two thousand and six, but I remember, you know, there
Speaker 5: was Bush had just been reelected. Iraq war was going badly, Katrina.
Speaker 5: I know, it's totally different because there were a bunch
Speaker 5: of Republican incumbents who were involved in sex scandals, Hugh,
Speaker 5: and as we all know, thankfully that's out of the system.
Speaker 5: We don't have to worry about that anymore. Mark Foley,
Speaker 5: you know, everything everything that could go wrong for Republicans
Speaker 5: did go wrong that cycle. And Republicans, I believe they
Speaker 5: lost off the top of I had thirty one House
Speaker 5: seats and.
Speaker 1: Did not lose the Senate though, oh yes they did
Speaker 1: lose the Senate. They did lose the Senate.
Speaker 5: But it was it was really rough year, right, and
Speaker 5: so my first thought was like, this could be like that.
Speaker 5: What does seem not crazy is to imagine that we
Speaker 5: end up with something akin to twenty twenty two, in
Speaker 5: which we were expecting Republicans to have this phenomenal year.
Speaker 5: Inflation had hit nine percent, people really upset about gas prices,
Speaker 5: people are really upset about the cost of living. Republicans
Speaker 5: did win control of the House, but by a pretty
Speaker 5: small margin, and I think they were expecting a lot
Speaker 5: more and did not win control of the Senate. And
Speaker 5: there was kind of this sense of like, well, Republicans
Speaker 5: had nominated a bunch of you know, fruitcake candidates who
Speaker 5: were just not you know, like the guy they had
Speaker 5: running against Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Like this year with Stacey
Speaker 5: Garrity is the first real statewide candidate Shapiro has had
Speaker 5: as a governor.
Speaker 7: Right, but he's still gonna win.
Speaker 5: That I shouldn't get anybody's hopes up. But like, she's
Speaker 5: running a real campaign, which is not something he had
Speaker 5: to deal with four years ago. So you look at this,
Speaker 5: there are enough fruitcake candidates on the Democratic side that
Speaker 5: they could leave some races on the table, and I
Speaker 5: think I dualized the It is probably example number one, Hugh.
Speaker 5: Have you noticed that the coverage of Abdul al Sayed
Speaker 5: in particularsno Fox News poll, but really in the last
Speaker 5: week or so in the mainstream media New York Times,
Speaker 5: NBC News, CNN, the tone is very much, well, this
Speaker 5: is going to be a good year for Democrats. But
Speaker 5: you know, Michigan might be the exception.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Part of its yes, he had this very divided Democratic primary.
Speaker 5: Some of is Mike Rogers is a better than average
Speaker 5: Republican candidate. But a lot of it is just that
Speaker 5: Abdul has a lot of baggage. And one of the
Speaker 5: things I wrote about this week you was that he's
Speaker 5: doing Labor Day weekend, this big Islamic Society of North
Speaker 5: America conference. I know it's going to shock you, but
Speaker 5: some of the speakers at this conference are controversial. Some
Speaker 5: of these speakers are not, you know, nice people. And
Speaker 5: if you're a dulas An you're running in a general election,
Speaker 5: the primary is over right you already If your name
Speaker 5: by itself is Abdul las A, people knew nothing else
Speaker 5: about you, you would still going to do very well
Speaker 5: amongst the Muslims who are voters in Michigan. Right, you
Speaker 5: have that demographic locked up. If elected, abduls A ed
Speaker 5: would be the first Muslim senator in the United States.
Speaker 5: I could hear everybody making Barack Obama jokes hahaha, right
Speaker 5: that It's one of those things where all say, yet
Speaker 5: has this demo, this demographic locked up, and yet he's
Speaker 5: spending part of it going to this conference associated with
Speaker 5: some rarely shady characters. So now the quest like this
Speaker 5: is not what any advisor would say. This is not
Speaker 5: the strategy which you say, Okay, it's a general election.
Speaker 5: You go to the middle, you go to the Apple Festival,
Speaker 5: you go to these non controversial non Look, I'm just
Speaker 5: like you, I'm normal, you know, all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: and he's not doing that, which, if you're a Democrat
Speaker 5: in Michigan, probably makes you nervous that he wants to
Speaker 5: run as exactly the same guy he was in the primary,
Speaker 5: and that's probably going to be a tougher sell than
Speaker 5: a you know, generic democrat. The Democrat runing against John
Speaker 5: James and the Gubernatoile race is running well ahead of him. So, like,
Speaker 5: was it this week when they had Democrats for Rogers?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there are a bunch of Democrats who
Speaker 5: we look at this guy and say we can't liver
Speaker 5: for him.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you about door number two, Jim
Speaker 1: Garretty is Michelle Tafoya, who's coming up later this hour.
Speaker 1: Michelle is running in Minnesota, NFL sideline reporter. She's running
Speaker 1: against another DSA or Peggy Flanagan who cause plays as
Speaker 1: a fundamentalist Muslim woman dressed in full garb, and I
Speaker 1: think maybe that's and she's the lieutenant governor to Michael
Speaker 1: tim Walls, and I'm beginning to think they may have
Speaker 1: put that in play. I saw Poltay, She's down by four.
Speaker 1: And if we saw Ruffini this week, I'll give you
Speaker 1: the last two and a half minutes. Raffini said he
Speaker 1: did a backwards looking analysis of thirty years in August,
Speaker 1: especially the polling bias towards Democrats is in excessive five
Speaker 1: percent two minutes to you, Jim Garretty.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's five percent, but I do
Speaker 5: believe it exists to some extent. You mentioned the three
Speaker 5: Martini Lunch, which I co host with Greg Corumbus Hugh.
Speaker 5: In the history of our program, which is now sixteen years,
Speaker 5: we have had eight guests. We don't do it very often.
Speaker 5: It has to be somebody who we think of is
Speaker 5: really special, somebody who's a big name, and somebody was
Speaker 5: willing to do it, which is you know, three really
Speaker 5: important criterias. I know you have like eight guests per hour,
Speaker 5: but Michelle Tafoya is one of those eight guests we've
Speaker 5: had in our history. And you know, if you're a
Speaker 5: Minnesota Republican, you want to have your best candidates on
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 7: You have your best candidate.
Speaker 5: And they avoided having mister my Pillow as their nominee
Speaker 5: in one state wide race and they have they have
Speaker 5: the state House speaker instead, and they have Michelle Tafoya.
Speaker 5: You know, look, it's a bluish purple state at best.
Speaker 5: It's never going to be easy for Republicans. But that's
Speaker 5: the best candidate you could get. Obviously, Michelle Tafoya is
Speaker 5: more than a natural on camera. I think she can,
Speaker 5: you know, has this great relatability in a way that
Speaker 5: your typical candidate doesn't.
Speaker 1: Did you have her on because she'd never been sent
Speaker 1: to a Jets game? Because the NFL was nice to her.
Speaker 5: She's been terrific in a bunch of Jet games here,
Speaker 5: but I don't know if she's ever been the Cleveland.
Speaker 5: We'll see, so ya my.
Speaker 1: Joke I got the last week, I got the harpoon
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Speaker 1: edition on Wednesday morning. Thank you, Jim. I'll tell Michelle
Speaker 1: Tafoya that you said nice things about her when she's
Speaker 1: coming up later in the hour. Don't go anywhere, America.
Speaker 1: I'm q Qwitt broke them back America. I'm Hugh Hewitt,
Speaker 1: joined by Michelle Tafoya, who's going to be the next
Speaker 1: United States Senator from Minnesota. Many people do not know this.
Speaker 1: Michelle is much more than an NFL sideline reporter for
Speaker 1: many years. She went to Berkeley, she got her MBA
Speaker 1: from USC, spent a Minnesota COLDI in for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's really smart cookie, Michelle. Congratulations on your primary win.
Speaker 1: I just saw it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: In August. August the shows you're within almost margin of
Speaker 1: air of Peggy Flannagan, who's this winger left wing nut.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the race?
Speaker 11: Listen, we think that the primary results told us a
Speaker 11: lot about where Minnesota is. Our message is being heard, Hugh,
Speaker 11: and we're so happy about it. We've been working extremely
Speaker 11: hard since that primary ended. And look, I think the
Speaker 11: more people learn how tied Peggy Flanagan was to the fraud,
Speaker 11: to all of the just complete disruption in our state
Speaker 11: over the last twenty years that she's been in office
Speaker 11: getting a paycheck from the taxpayers, they start to understand
Speaker 11: she's been part of this. She can say, oh, it
Speaker 11: was the governor's fault, but she is right there at
Speaker 11: the center of it. They have been attached at the hip.
Speaker 11: That's when you start to see this pulling really change.
Speaker 11: One of the things you were excited about is among independents,
Speaker 11: we're leading by double digits. We think she's hit or
Speaker 11: her ceiling, and our ceiling is still well ahead of us.
Speaker 1: Well, Michelle Tafoya. One of the reasons I brought up
Speaker 1: your Edie location credentials at Berkeley and USC much as
Speaker 1: I hate USC as an Ohio state guy, I bring
Speaker 1: them up because Peggy does not strike me as the
Speaker 1: fifty one card deck sort of thing, not going to
Speaker 1: win the spelling Bee. Will you debate her? Will she
Speaker 1: agree to debate you? Because I bet you she won't
Speaker 1: come within a mile of you.
Speaker 11: That'll be interesting. I think we're scheduling debates. I absolutely
Speaker 11: want a debate. I want to hold her feet to
Speaker 11: the fire. I want to ask her why healthcare is
Speaker 11: diminished here in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: I want to ask her how young is too young
Speaker 3: for a child to get gender.
Speaker 11: Affirming care that involves, you know, an operation having body
Speaker 11: parts taken off. I want to ask her a lot
Speaker 11: of questions, but mostly I want to ask her what
Speaker 11: she was doing when all this fraud was happening, when
Speaker 11: people came to their offices, when whistleblowers were there, when
Speaker 11: Nick Shirley came to town and discovered the quality Leering Center,
Speaker 11: Where was she?
Speaker 3: What was she doing?
Speaker 11: And by the way, she was in charge while Tim
Speaker 11: Wallas was off running as the vice presidential nominee with
Speaker 11: Kamawa Harris, she was in charge. She cannot turn her
Speaker 11: back on her record. Her record is abysmal. I hope
Speaker 11: she'll debate us.
Speaker 1: So, Michelle, for decade, I would make the annual Minnesota
Speaker 1: State Fair. I love going there and broadcasting from there
Speaker 1: for AM twelve eighty, The Patriot, Our Deluthe Affiliate, and
Speaker 1: some of our other films. Are you going to be
Speaker 1: working the fair, good old style of Minnesota? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you like it?
Speaker 3: You better believe it, and I hope we see you.
Speaker 3: Are you coming?
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm coming this year, but you know
Speaker 1: I always remain open for a call from the minnesot Coldians.
Speaker 1: I like to help them out when it's fowed up there.
Speaker 1: So in terms of what will separate you, the fraud
Speaker 1: issue is number one. But does she know anything about
Speaker 1: national security? She hangs out with the radical DSA crowd,
Speaker 1: and I think that's not a winner even with some
Speaker 1: traditional democratic constituencies.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you a quick anecdote here and again this
Speaker 11: is anecdotal, but to me, it tells you where Minnesotans
Speaker 11: are starting to turn.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine is a conservative. She has a
Speaker 3: neighbor who is.
Speaker 11: A died in the wool Democrat. They never talk for
Speaker 11: obvious reasons, but this neighbor came to her door the
Speaker 11: other night, knocked at the door and said, Hi, I'm worried.
Speaker 11: I think my party has let me down. I'm wondering
Speaker 11: should I put a sign in my yard? Will you
Speaker 11: put a sign in your yard here?
Speaker 3: The people? I think that can help.
Speaker 11: Look, we feel a change here because when you look
Speaker 11: at the options between common sense and crazy with Flanagan,
Speaker 11: or Peggy fraud again as we like to call her,
Speaker 11: being the option, being the alternative to someone who has
Speaker 11: common sense, who wants law and order in Minnesota. And
Speaker 11: by the way, Hugh, I'm proud to say I was
Speaker 11: just endorsed by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association
Speaker 11: just this morning.
Speaker 3: We want that law and order.
Speaker 11: We want our kids to get an education not an
Speaker 11: indroctur nation. We want to make sure our sports are
Speaker 11: fair for our kids in high school and college. We
Speaker 11: want all of these things back that this current estate
Speaker 11: bablishment turned on its ear and Peggy Flanagan's not going
Speaker 11: to bring that, and we're going to continue to make
Speaker 11: that case over and over again.
Speaker 3: We hope people come visit us at the State Fair
Speaker 3: and learn more.
Speaker 1: Now you're you got to come out here. I got
Speaker 1: to talk to my friends over at AM twelve eighty
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Your ex account is at Michelle Underscore t Foya.
Speaker 1: What's your website so people can figure out you've had
Speaker 1: really quite a remarkable career.
Speaker 11: You're very kind. Listen, let me just make a quick
Speaker 11: note about that. It's Michelle Tafoya dot com. Michelle with
Speaker 11: one l Tafoya.
Speaker 3: Google it. I'm sure you'll get redirected.
Speaker 11: Look, as you mentioned, I spent over thirty years in
Speaker 11: sports journalism. I had a career, I had my education,
Speaker 11: I loved my career.
Speaker 3: I was very blessed you.
Speaker 11: I'm not in this because I'm desperate to become a politician.
Speaker 11: I am in this because I love my country. I
Speaker 11: love this state of Minnesota, and to watch it speeding
Speaker 11: one hundred miles per hour in the wrong direction over
Speaker 11: these past few years has been heartbreaking. And to see
Speaker 11: it happen because we've had single party rule. We gave
Speaker 11: them a shot, Hugh, we gave them their chance, and
Speaker 11: they failed. They absolutely failed. So other people have to
Speaker 11: come in now. Look, we have a crisis of leadership.
Speaker 11: People need to step up. I'm ready to do that
Speaker 11: for this state that I love and for this country
Speaker 11: that I love.
Speaker 1: And so last question, really in the weeds, have you
Speaker 1: seen help from people like the Senate Leadership pack and
Speaker 1: some of the outside groups and the Republican Party which
Speaker 1: cannot coordinate with you under the new Supreme Court rule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 11: Well since I got in in January, the NRSC Tim
Speaker 11: Scott was one of the first people to endorse me,
Speaker 11: the Great Rudy Boschwitz here in Minnesota endorse me. I
Speaker 11: will be working with the Senate Leadership Funds starting next Monday.
Speaker 11: And so yes, we've had some just absolutely wonderful support
Speaker 11: in terms of fundraising, in terms of getting the message out.
Speaker 11: We can't wait to work with these people to continue
Speaker 11: to make things better. And as I've told all Minnesotans,
Speaker 11: I'm going to work for them, Hugh, Theirs is the
Speaker 11: endorsement that I care about most. I'm going to work
Speaker 11: for them. When I think the administration is right, I
Speaker 11: will say it. When I think they've made an.
Speaker 3: Error, I will say it.
Speaker 11: The last people I'm going to answer to are the
Speaker 11: Minnesotans who send me there. So let's go, let's take
Speaker 11: our Minnesota common sense with us and let's have some
Speaker 11: sober leadership with a spine back in the Senate.
Speaker 1: Well would that be a change for Minnesota. Michelle Tafoya
Speaker 1: dot com Michelle Tafoya dot com. If you want to
Speaker 1: follow on x it's Michelle Underscore Tafoya, but start at
Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya dot com. Find out, especially if you're listening
Speaker 1: to me right now in Minnesota, and we cover most
Speaker 1: of the state. If you're listening to me right now
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, go sign up for a campaign. Being on
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Speaker 1: of the American democratic process. As boy, what a choice
Speaker 1: mainstream center right Republican or Peggy Fradigan. I like that,
Speaker 1: by the way, Michelle, that will stick Peggy Fradigan because
Speaker 1: of course Minnesota's epic fraudway this year, remain front of
Speaker 1: mine with many Gopher state voters. Thank you, Michelle Tafoya.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, America, stay tuned you. Joined by
Speaker 1: our friend Vic Madis. Vic Maddis is with the Washington
Speaker 1: Free Beacon. He is the co host of the Getting
Speaker 1: Hammered podcast Vic. This week we are simulcasting with c
Speaker 1: SPAN two, so I want to tell them all about
Speaker 1: Getting Hammered in the Washington Free Beacon. And you I
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Speaker 1: the empty nest is an illusion. They come back and
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Speaker 7: I think that's wonderful. It makes a lot of sense
Speaker 7: to me. I don't think it's.
Speaker 10: Going to make a lot of sense to my wife, however,
Speaker 10: no matter how many times I tell her that, And
Speaker 10: we will power through this. And this is something to
Speaker 10: be very proud about, that he's going off to college.
Speaker 7: And yet the emotions remain high.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 10: And I could just I can just feel everything is
Speaker 10: You're walking on thin ice right now, and it's you know,
Speaker 10: it's it's it's gonna break on Sunday. I talked to
Speaker 10: another former student who went to his college. Uh, and
Speaker 10: he said, you just wait for that convocation speech and
Speaker 10: there won't be a dry eye in the house.
Speaker 7: So I'm just I understand. I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 10: And I look forward to, you know, seeing him when
Speaker 10: he comes back, you know, in Thanksgiving, which is only
Speaker 10: a couple months from now.
Speaker 7: And yet I'll be equipped with a box of tissues.
Speaker 1: You know, vick, I was the third of three boys.
Speaker 1: I think my parents threw me from a moving car
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Speaker 1: Did you ever get to know Brian Lamb, by the way,
Speaker 1: the remarkable Brian Lamb? You know what, No, I did
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Speaker 10: I'd been on Sea Span with Peter Slun many years ago,
Speaker 10: and I'm very yeah, and I'm very good friends with
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 10: Uh, and so very excited that you were simulcasting on
Speaker 10: Sea Span at the moment, Hugh and getting hammered. Yes,
Speaker 10: it's a weekly podcast I do with Mary Catherine Ham,
Speaker 10: who many of you know from both doing your show
Speaker 10: as well, Hugh went on Fox.
Speaker 7: Uh, And of course we like to talk.
Speaker 10: About the news of the week, but sort of in
Speaker 10: a very morning approach. Although I think our motto is,
Speaker 10: you know, happy hours any hour, or something to that effect.
Speaker 10: I already forget what the phrase is, but we often
Speaker 10: say that we're underprepared and overcaffe ad, and that's kind
Speaker 10: of playing up the casualness. Just imagine us discussing the
Speaker 10: news in your kitchen table, are in the car with you.
Speaker 10: We're talking with you, not to you.
Speaker 1: And Jovick. There are two podcasts that The Fetching Missus Schuett,
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Speaker 1: things like that and getting hammered. Getting hammered meets both
Speaker 1: of our demos, and so I want to recommend that
Speaker 1: to people. But since we do have the c Span
Speaker 1: audience and it's a bookish audience. Lilac's this week called
Speaker 1: it the weather channel for smart people. Tell us about
Speaker 1: what it means to be the arts and culture editor
Speaker 1: for the Washington Freebeacon, which people can read it Freebeacon
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 10: Well, it's a great job being the arts and culture
Speaker 10: editor of the Washington Freebeacon. I do a newsletter called
Speaker 10: The Weekend Beacon, and there we feature between four and
Speaker 10: five reviews, so I really cut it down a lot
Speaker 10: of places will offer. If you're a newspaper, you're doing
Speaker 10: fifteen to twenty, it becomes overwhelming and sometimes it's hard
Speaker 10: to keep up with reading that many reviews a week.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of news going on.
Speaker 10: The idea behind the Weekend Beacon is it's news that
Speaker 10: you want to read, not just news that you have
Speaker 10: to read, and it's at a leisurely pace. I'm going
Speaker 10: to select for you three or four really interesting books,
Speaker 10: oftentimes in eclectic collection, from not only books that are interesting,
Speaker 10: but a lot of the writers that you will love,
Speaker 10: whether it be Andy Ferguson or Dave Garrow or on occasion,
Speaker 10: Hugh Hewitt. And you're not to be disappointed. And we
Speaker 10: do movie reviews often from John Podd Hortz. I'm doing
Speaker 10: a series right now on the greatest movies of nineteen
Speaker 10: eighty six and we got a great one coming up
Speaker 10: this Sunday with John J.
Speaker 7: Miller on the Name of the Rose and Dave Garrow
Speaker 7: is the feature.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and Dave Garrow is the feature on a book
Speaker 10: called Nothing Left by Evan Barker, Confessions of Democratic Operative.
Speaker 10: You're going to find it really interesting and sign up
Speaker 10: for the newsletter at the Weekend Beacon. If you go
Speaker 10: to Freebeacon dot com. That's how you can find out.
Speaker 1: Now there are three places left that book reviews that
Speaker 1: I read, Wall Street Journal Commentary again and the Free Beacon.
Speaker 1: And it used to be that the Washington Post book
Speaker 1: review is fabulous. I used to trust the New York Times,
Speaker 1: but I even read the New York Review of Books,
Speaker 1: if you can believe it. I read the New Republic
Speaker 1: for book reviews. It's a dying space. Vic. Why is that?
Speaker 1: By the way, c span is the publishing industry's great
Speaker 1: at friend.
Speaker 7: That's right, and you're right, it's absolutely it's a dying
Speaker 7: It's a dying space. Really.
Speaker 10: I mean a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 10: the Internet and people's attention spans. I mean, you just
Speaker 10: see all these studies where people are not clearly as
Speaker 10: reading as much as they want to. And a lot
Speaker 10: of these places that had gone woke. You talk about
Speaker 10: Wolke one point zero. A lot of places decided that
Speaker 10: they were no longer interested in reviewing traditional books that
Speaker 10: are interesting for the mainstream. Instead, they were searching for
Speaker 10: books that they thought you needed to read to re
Speaker 10: educate yourself. And that's not what I do at the
Speaker 10: Weekend Beacon. I worked for twenty years at the Weekly
Speaker 10: Standard magazine. We ran about five or six reviews a week.
Speaker 10: So essentially I've imported that sensibility to the Weekend Beacon.
Speaker 7: And it's going to be books that you're gonna find interesting.
Speaker 10: And either it's books that you want to know about
Speaker 10: or you hadn't known, but we think you're gonna find
Speaker 10: really interesting or definitely word you away from certain books
Speaker 10: that might be very popular, but we're going to say, hey, you.
Speaker 7: Know this is bad news, don't waste your money. So
Speaker 7: and that's what we try to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you about Spencer Claven, who
Speaker 1: was a first time guest yesterday. Has he crossed your
Speaker 1: radarre yet?
Speaker 10: You know, it's very funny if I were to show
Speaker 10: you my iPhone on my notes page. I have a
Speaker 10: number of things I need to do for the Weekend
Speaker 10: Beacon section, and one of them was to contact Spencer
Speaker 10: Claven because I'd love for him to write for my
Speaker 10: section as well. I've been adding some really interesting people lately.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 10: I think Kyle Smith I just brought on and he's
Speaker 10: the regular movie reviewer at the Journal. Lot of other
Speaker 10: serious folks coming on board. Uh so, just stay tuned
Speaker 10: clear Spencer.
Speaker 1: He has a really podcast. I haven't listened to it yesterday.
Speaker 1: I interviewed him for the first time in the program
Speaker 1: yesterday because he has a book out Away with Words,
Speaker 1: and he's a podcaster with Young Heretics and they're doing
Speaker 1: a six part series on Dante's Inferno. He's a PhD.
Speaker 1: Classes from Oxford Model in college, so a really smart guy.
Speaker 1: I'm very impressive on air. I thought, Okay, there's hope
Speaker 1: there there's another generation of book reading young writers out there.
Speaker 1: I do think there's help, do you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean there are still schools out there that
Speaker 10: I know certainly where you know, my son is headed,
Speaker 10: that's going to emphasize the importance of great books and
Speaker 10: a traditional.
Speaker 7: Classical liberal arts education.
Speaker 10: They're not going to be strictly about you know, stem
Speaker 10: and science stuff. That's gonna, you know, probably put them
Speaker 10: in a precarious position when they graduate because of the
Speaker 10: AI problem. They're going to go back to, you know,
Speaker 10: they're embracing the humanities. And I've just was reading articles
Speaker 10: about a lot of employers looking for people looking for
Speaker 10: young kids who are graduating who have a better knowledge
Speaker 10: on these things. So I mean that, uh, there is
Speaker 10: a glimmer of hope, but a lot of more, a
Speaker 10: lot more.
Speaker 7: Work has to be done here, all right.
Speaker 1: Believe a liberal arts education will always serve, It will
Speaker 1: always serve. Vic Matis follow him on exit, Victor Reno Mattis,
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. Orting back America. I'm
Speaker 1: Hewett joined Guy Josh Crosshauer, Josh's editor in chief of
Speaker 1: Jewish Insider weekly guest on my program, Josh, I have
Speaker 1: been following the Abdul said Mike Rogers race with great interest.
Speaker 1: ABLA has made mistake after mistake, and it is behind
Speaker 1: in some polls and neck and neck and others. But
Speaker 1: I have seen, and I don't know how to judge,
Speaker 1: an effort by Jewish leaders in Michigan to rally around
Speaker 1: Mike Rogers. Is that widespread or is that a half
Speaker 1: dozen American Jews in a row. What is that?
Speaker 12: Well, there are a lot of Jewish voters in Michigan
Speaker 12: that are wary and probably will not vote for Abdul
Speaker 12: l sayed. If you had me guests on the percentages, now,
Speaker 12: I think over half of maybe well over half of
Speaker 12: the Jewish community will not cast a ballot for l sied. Now,
Speaker 12: will they vote for Mike Rodgers? Will actually take the
Speaker 12: full step to voting Republican? I think a lot will.
Speaker 12: I mean, you saw one of the leading rabbis in
Speaker 12: the Detroit area community, someone who actually happens to be
Speaker 12: Rama Manuel's. One of Rama Manuel's rabbis said he is
Speaker 12: endorsing Mike Rodgers and spoke very glowingly about him at
Speaker 12: a press conference this morning. But you know the overall number,
Speaker 12: I think you look at the primary numbers and seventy
Speaker 12: plus percent of Democratic Jewish precincts voted for him at
Speaker 12: Stevens and I think a lot of those same voters
Speaker 12: are probably gonna have a tough time supporting l.
Speaker 7: Sai ed in a general election.
Speaker 12: Especially against someone like Mike Rogers, who was a very
Speaker 12: mainstream record from his time in Congress.
Speaker 1: He's a mainstream moderate Republican from the middle of the
Speaker 1: country in Michigan. He spent fourteen years in Congress, state
Speaker 1: legislator before that, Army lieutenant FBI agent just to like
Speaker 1: the perfect candidate for Michigan, and he's a second time
Speaker 1: for the Senate. Meanwhile, I'll say it it's mac and
Speaker 1: Island the fourth of July. Thanks football is toxic and
Speaker 1: came out against the Woodward Car Carnival, the dream cruise
Speaker 1: with forty thousand cars in it. How many unforced eras
Speaker 1: does he get away with?
Speaker 13: Josh Croshe Well, the question is like what this is
Speaker 13: a national environment that's favorable to the Democrats, So the
Speaker 13: question is going to be how badly is l sa
Speaker 13: Ed going to perform.
Speaker 7: I think it's a given.
Speaker 12: You talk to any Democrat who thinks Elsaid is going
Speaker 12: to underperform. The ticket pretty decide. But if the governor
Speaker 12: candidate in that state, it's a close governor's race John
Speaker 12: James and Benson the Democrat running against each other. But
Speaker 12: if he underperforms by a little bit, then she can
Speaker 12: still win. If he underperforms by a historic amount, which
Speaker 12: is I think in the realm of possibility, I think
Speaker 12: he loses or he probably loses the number. To look
Speaker 12: at their two high quality polls that have come out,
Speaker 12: the Fox News poll bipartisan poll that that is the
Speaker 12: gold standard in the business, and also an ARP poll
Speaker 12: which is done by a top Republican and Democratic polster.
Speaker 12: Both of them showed one showed Rogers up by four,
Speaker 12: one showed Lsied up by one.
Speaker 1: But the number to look at, nine.
Speaker 12: Percent of Democrats in both those polls said that they
Speaker 12: were going to vote for Mike Rodgers.
Speaker 7: Rogers needs to get it.
Speaker 1: That's a large these days.
Speaker 12: That's a that's a title wave for about ten percent
Speaker 12: of Democrats to actually vote for a Republican. So keep
Speaker 12: an eye on that number. Though those two poles are
Speaker 12: among the best and the posters are among the best
Speaker 12: in the business. The thing that Rogers don't needs to
Speaker 12: worry about is the Independence. He's a little solid the
Speaker 12: low information voters, the people who are not attuned to
Speaker 12: the race. You know, Rogers is a smaller than expected
Speaker 12: lead in the Fox powle. He's actually losing with Independence
Speaker 12: in the in the ARP pole. So that is going
Speaker 12: to be the other big swing voting block where you know,
Speaker 12: because Elside is such an outsider and is so anti establishment.
Speaker 12: He's tapping into what he hopes is some of that
Speaker 12: independent vote, which I think with the ADS, and once
Speaker 12: the campaign gets underway, that could very well swing more
Speaker 12: to Rogers's direction.
Speaker 1: Now, Josh down to Florida where one of the twin
Speaker 1: Vindaman brothers got blown out by Angie Nixon, a DSA
Speaker 1: radical who really is not coming off as the brightest
Speaker 1: knife in the drawer, never going to win the spelling bee.
Speaker 1: I think that impacts Democrats across the country. I think
Speaker 1: that's a nightmare for them.
Speaker 12: What do you think, well, I think the notion that
Speaker 12: the Democratic Party has gone off the deep end to
Speaker 12: the left, and it's not just Florida, where we have
Speaker 12: a DSA nominee for the Senate, say ed who is
Speaker 12: certainly far to the left in that race. The fact
Speaker 12: that Democrats need to win seats in red states like Ohio, Texas, Iowa.
Speaker 12: These are states that are Trump won by over ten
Speaker 12: points in the last election. It's gonna be hard to
Speaker 12: get those final few points because you're gonna need to
Speaker 12: get some pretty solidly Republican voters if you want to
Speaker 12: actually get to fifty percent, and by reminding voters in
Speaker 12: those states that you have a socialist wing of the
Speaker 12: Democratic Party that's taken. That is a message that I
Speaker 12: think is going to resonate and it's gonna be harder
Speaker 12: to compete in those red states now.
Speaker 1: On August eighteenth, Patrick Ruffini, one of the specialists inside
Speaker 1: our beltwegh and he's a very well respected polling scientist,
Speaker 1: put out of study why Senate polling is always worse
Speaker 1: in the summer. For four cycles in a row, the
Speaker 1: polls have overestimated Democrats. Here's the history, usually by six
Speaker 1: points in August. They overstate Democratic strength in every poll,
Speaker 1: then they pull back as we get close. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it's intentional.
Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, some of it it's about
Speaker 12: sampling and how big is your voting pool who's going
Speaker 12: to show up for an election which.
Speaker 7: Can vary year after a year.
Speaker 12: The interesting finding in the new Michigan poll today it
Speaker 12: was basically a tide race, I'll say it up by
Speaker 12: one point. It found that voters over fifty who were
Speaker 12: persuadable overwhelmingly with leaning towards Mike Rogers and going towards
Speaker 12: Mike Rogers. It's the younger vote that is much more
Speaker 12: to the left and is ls I ed's space. These days,
Speaker 12: young voters don't usually especially the youngest of voters don't
Speaker 12: usually show up historically. I think a lot of the
Speaker 12: polling depends on a lot of that young progressive voting
Speaker 12: base showing up in November for a midterm election. We'll
Speaker 12: see what happens, but the turnout is going to drive
Speaker 12: what the results are. And if you have an older
Speaker 12: voting basis is typical for a midterm election. The numbers
Speaker 12: that you see in the polls may be a little
Speaker 12: too hot and too favorable for Democrats.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to my special Sea Span audience this week.
Speaker 1: A note of explanation for this half hour of conversation
Speaker 1: I had since I went to college and read the
Speaker 1: Peloponnesian Wars by the Citidies and learned that Athens was
Speaker 1: a sea power like US, and Sparta was a land
Speaker 1: power like Germany. And after I went to work for
Speaker 1: David Eisenhower and his grandfather's biography and learned about crossing
Speaker 1: the English Channel. And then I went to work for
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon and helped him write The Real War. I've
Speaker 1: been interested in seapower and so I'm a civilian, not
Speaker 1: a sailor, but i have very interested in seapower, so
Speaker 1: I've tried to read everything I can. One of the
Speaker 1: people who actually knows about seapower as a professional is
Speaker 1: my friend, Captain Mark vandro He joined US now Captain
Speaker 1: Van Droff as a senior vice president at Finkinian Italian shipbuilder.
Speaker 1: He was also in President Trump's first administration senior director
Speaker 1: at the National Security Council, with a lot to do shipbuilding.
Speaker 1: So earlier this actually one week ago, the President put
Speaker 1: out a presidential memorandum all and I cast about who
Speaker 1: will talk to me? Mark got Captain Vandroff. Mark to me,
Speaker 1: Captain Vandroff, you got permission from Fink anterry to come
Speaker 1: and talk to me about it. So Captain, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to tell the audience you're the
Speaker 1: first person who actually took me to a shipbuilding factory
Speaker 1: to show me the un sexy side of shaft drives, right.
Speaker 6: Right, that was I remember that that day. Well, we
Speaker 6: were actually touring the facility out in California that makes
Speaker 6: what's called reduction gear, so like the transmission in your car.
Speaker 6: For most of the surface ships in the United States Navy.
Speaker 1: So I was fascinated, and so I've gotten to Mark
Speaker 1: for nuts and bolts. I got other experts like Captain
Speaker 1: Jerry Hendricks and others like Mark Montgomery. But I go
Speaker 1: to Mark. So Mark, I want to go through the
Speaker 1: President's Memorandum, and the first paragraph and the last paragraph
Speaker 1: are introductory and hortatory inclusory. Let's start and go right
Speaker 1: to the heart of it. Section two Restoring steam and
Speaker 1: hydraulic systems to carriers. Explain this please to steelers fans,
Speaker 1: I mean, really break it down.
Speaker 6: Make it simple, okay, So aircraft carriers launch aircraft. That
Speaker 6: seems simple enough. To launch a high performance jet off
Speaker 6: an aircraft carrier, it has to be flung into the air.
Speaker 6: The aircraft is actually attached to a sled in order
Speaker 6: to provide enough acceleration so that when the jet comes
Speaker 6: off the end of the aircraft carrier, its wings will
Speaker 6: provide enough lift that it can continue its flight and
Speaker 6: not get flung into the water. Historically, or at least
Speaker 6: since the nineteen fifties, this sled has been powered by steam.
Speaker 6: You build up high pressure steam and a steam red
Speaker 6: of our release the steam and it sends the slide
Speaker 6: forward on the USS Forward, which is our newest aircraft
Speaker 6: carrier for the first time that sled is powered by magnets.
Speaker 6: That's been an item of some controversy, and I'll give
Speaker 6: both sides. The good thing about the magnets is you
Speaker 6: can recharge a magnet faster than you can refill the
Speaker 6: steam reservoir, so you can launch more aircraft because you
Speaker 6: can launch another aircraft sooner. That's the good side. On
Speaker 6: the bad side, it's expensive, it's somewhat tricky technology to
Speaker 6: work with. And since we've gone to that and some
Speaker 6: other magnetic technology for moving things around on the Ford
Speaker 6: and the follow ons, the ships just take longer to build.
Speaker 6: So it's a balance of is it worth the cost
Speaker 6: and the time. Is there a way to get that
Speaker 6: cost and time down in order to get the performance
Speaker 6: of the additional what what the carrier guys call a
Speaker 6: better sortie rate, being able to launch more aircraft more quickly. Uh.
Speaker 6: And I think this administration has come down with the
Speaker 6: judgment that they'd rather go back to older technology that
Speaker 6: would allow them to build the aircraft carriers suit quicker
Speaker 6: or you know, get a quicker build cycle, not so
Speaker 6: hard to install on the carrier. I think there's a
Speaker 6: lot of folks in naval aviation who would take the
Speaker 6: opposite side. I think there's been a lot of unfortunate
Speaker 6: commentary in the news that makes it sound like it's
Speaker 6: somehow silly. It is not a silly issue. This is
Speaker 6: it's a real issue, and it's deserving of real study
Speaker 6: because this is a difficult call. I think the administration
Speaker 6: has signaled which side they're they're they're coming down on.
Speaker 1: So Captain Vandrov, anyone who's watching has seen me moderate
Speaker 1: a GOP presidential primary debate always knows I ask either
Speaker 1: about shipbuilding or nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers, because it
Speaker 1: because we're a sea power, and part of that is
Speaker 1: what Admiral Stavrite is retired, likes to say quantity as
Speaker 1: a quality all of its own. Does the decision make
Speaker 1: for more carriers or fewer carriers in this critical period
Speaker 1: of time of a narrow gap with China.
Speaker 6: The intent of the decision is absolutely for more carriers.
Speaker 6: If you can build a carrier faster, you can put
Speaker 6: more of them out there. So I think that's the
Speaker 6: desire to increase the build rate of carriers. Was the
Speaker 6: motivating factor behind this decision.
Speaker 1: Now, if the Trump administration follows through, and I expect
Speaker 1: they will, and a Democrat wins and they change it back,
Speaker 1: what kind of a disaster will that be for the aircraft?
Speaker 6: Maybe it would be good to get one decision and
Speaker 6: hold to it. Regardless of which way the decision is made.
Speaker 6: It would be good to get one decision and hold
Speaker 6: to it. Going back and forth for something as integral
Speaker 6: to the construction of these aircraft carriers is would be bad.
Speaker 6: The Trump administration, I think very wisely did not try
Speaker 6: and alter the carrier number eighty the next enterprise because
Speaker 6: it's far enough along that it would be overly impactful
Speaker 6: to its schedule. They're trying to phase this in on
Speaker 6: in this case two carriers from now where they think
Speaker 6: they can phase it in without creating a disruption.
Speaker 1: And will Congress have the final say or is this
Speaker 1: up to the president as commander in chief?
Speaker 6: This would normally fall under the Secretary of the Navy's
Speaker 6: Title ten Authority for Acquisition, which obviously he's subject to
Speaker 6: the direction of the Secretary of War and the President.
Speaker 6: But as you know, Congress kind of always has the
Speaker 6: final say because they can put writers in appropriations. They
Speaker 6: can write language into the National Defense Authorization actety given years,
Speaker 6: so they can certainly direct and constrain the executive branch
Speaker 6: through various piece of legislation.
Speaker 1: Okay, as a civilian, I have no opinion on this.
Speaker 1: I just want them to make a decision and stick
Speaker 1: with it. Part two The Finland model for three kinds
Speaker 1: of ship ASW, roros and console Can you explain those again?
Speaker 1: And stealer talk? What are those three kinds of ship
Speaker 1: and what is the Finland model? So? Sure?
Speaker 6: So? First, of the three kinds of ships, all of
Speaker 6: these are critical capabilities that the United States Navy or
Speaker 6: other parts of the United States government tasked with supporting
Speaker 6: the Navy probably doesn't have the amount they need. The
Speaker 6: first one's easy. An ASW escort is a ship that
Speaker 6: will escort other ships and screen and defend against submarines.
Speaker 6: A console tanker. If you think about ships out on station,
Speaker 6: they receive fuel from oilers from replenishment ships that bring
Speaker 6: them fuel for the aircraft. Fuel for the air you know, Jeff,
Speaker 6: for the air wing on an aircraft carrier, diesel fuel
Speaker 6: for the jet engines on a DDG. Console tankers are
Speaker 6: big tankers that take a lot of fuel from a
Speaker 6: shore station and distribute it to the oilers at sea,
Speaker 6: so the oilers can go back and forth, so there
Speaker 6: are an intermediate link in the fuel chain that gets fuel.
Speaker 1: Out to ships.
Speaker 6: Rowrows rowrow is slang for roll on, roll off. Those
Speaker 6: are very large ships designed to move heavy equipment, mostly
Speaker 6: the heavy equipment of the army and the Marine corps,
Speaker 6: from point A to point B. And it's called a
Speaker 6: row row because the ship is designed so you can
Speaker 6: drive a tank or a self propelled artillery piece or
Speaker 6: a self propelled radar on and off the ship. Just
Speaker 6: drive it like you were driving over land, park it
Speaker 6: on the ship, and then.
Speaker 1: Move the ship. What's the Finland model for building these
Speaker 1: in two minutes?
Speaker 6: Finland model is what we did with the Coastguard did
Speaker 6: with ice breakers. It means you have a partner nation.
Speaker 6: In the case of ice breakers, Finland builds the first
Speaker 6: number of units, while at the same time that partner
Speaker 6: nation is investing in either building or upgrading a shipyard
Speaker 6: in the United States of America and training Americans to
Speaker 6: build out the rest of the class. So it gives
Speaker 6: you the best of both worlds. It gives you increasing
Speaker 6: American jobs and capacity because you're getting that foreign investment
Speaker 6: while you're allowing the foreign partner to fill an immediate
Speaker 6: need in capability. I think this is the best part
Speaker 6: of the president's memorandum. I only wish that he had
Speaker 6: increased it by one more class of ship. I think
Speaker 6: the United States is desperately short of cable layers, and
Speaker 6: this model selecting a foreign partner nation to be a
Speaker 6: partner to build an initial number of cable players while
Speaker 6: the rest are built here in the United States. And
Speaker 6: I say that full disclosure of fin Cantiri's subsidiary vart
Speaker 6: is the world leader in cable layers, but it is
Speaker 6: a capability that the United States, It's government, I think
Speaker 6: is short of and desperately needs.
Speaker 1: I love full disclosure. We will be back with Captain
Speaker 1: Mark Van draft retarga United States Navy Senior Vice president
Speaker 1: for fink An Terry, former National Security senior advisor in
Speaker 1: Trump one to go through public shipyards, component repair Center
Speaker 1: and Navski. I've got him for three segments. I really
Speaker 1: thought it would be a service if the audience understood
Speaker 1: the presidential memorandum, which very few people pause to talk
Speaker 1: about may be the most important thing for the next
Speaker 1: thirty years for America other than Golden Dome. So stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. If you've listened
Speaker 1: to my program for years on the Salem Radio Network
Speaker 1: on the Salem News Channel this week on c SPAN,
Speaker 1: you know I covered navy issues a lot. Used to
Speaker 1: do it with Admiral Stavritas retired. He's over at CNN
Speaker 1: now Adamal Mark Montgomery comes in. But I've always had
Speaker 1: two cap dos, rely on Captain Mark Van droffho has
Speaker 1: written my guest right now, United States Navy retired Senior
Speaker 1: Vice President think can Terry Trump won National Security Council official.
Speaker 1: And Jerry Hendrix, Captain Hendrix, who wrote this book which
Speaker 1: I keep in hand to provide and maintain a Navy,
Speaker 1: the short book on that. But he can't be on
Speaker 1: the air with me unless he's cleared because he's in
Speaker 1: the Trump administration right now. And Jerry, I mean Mark.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a memo in which no doubt Jerry
Speaker 1: had a hand was rough vote and the President. I
Speaker 1: want to go to section four. The memo from the
Speaker 1: President declared we need a fifth public shipyard. Where are
Speaker 1: public shipyards? Where are they? And why do we need
Speaker 1: another one, and where's it going to be?
Speaker 6: So all good questions. A public shipyard very simply as
Speaker 6: a shipyard that is owned by the United States Navy,
Speaker 6: so it's managed by Navy officials. All the workers, the welders,
Speaker 6: the electricians, the crane operators are all government employees. The
Speaker 6: Navy historically had many public shipyards. In the nineties we
Speaker 6: had eight, and the BRAC process took eight down to
Speaker 6: four before remaining public shipyards are in Norfolk, Virginia, in Portsmouth,
Speaker 6: New Hampshire slash Kittery, Maine, depending upon which state official
Speaker 6: you ask, because it's on the border of New Hampshire
Speaker 6: and Maine and they argue about it. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii,
Speaker 6: and then up in Puget Sound in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 6: The Navy, for a variety of reasons, prefers to do
Speaker 6: serious maintenance on nuclear ships. So the nuclear submarines, the
Speaker 6: nuclear aircraft carriers get their maintenance done by the Navy itself,
Speaker 6: under by government employees. And there's a lot of good
Speaker 6: reasons for that. When we went from eight to four.
Speaker 6: Now that we're looking to expand our number of submarines, especially,
Speaker 6: we just don't have enough maintenance facilities within the the
Speaker 6: public shipyards to do uh to do the maintenance we
Speaker 6: need to do on the submarine side fleet that we
Speaker 6: that we need to have. So the President, I think,
Speaker 6: in this one very correctly recognizes we need a fifth yard.
Speaker 6: The ideal candidates would be the two closed yards on
Speaker 6: the West coast, Long Beach and uh and Alameda, But
Speaker 6: both of those since their closure in the nineties, have
Speaker 6: been developed by the local economy and would be hard
Speaker 6: to recover. Most experts would tell you they're also in California,
Speaker 6: and California most.
Speaker 1: Experts would regulatory problems that are immense.
Speaker 6: Indeed, but most most I think most analysts would say
Speaker 6: that the yard needs to be in the Pacific because
Speaker 6: it provides the additional benefit of providing a repair capacity
Speaker 6: the in theater or close to theater if you were
Speaker 6: in a conflict within the Indo Pacific. I certainly think
Speaker 6: that there's gonna be lots of different real estate around
Speaker 6: the country interested in that fifth shipyard, you know. I
Speaker 6: think anywhere where there's coastline, there's gonna be people interested
Speaker 6: in it. But I think from a tactical strategic standpoint,
Speaker 6: closer to the fight would be better.
Speaker 1: Mark I question if Congress passed a Notwithstanding any other
Speaker 1: law or regulation act, it is an emergency situation, and
Speaker 1: we need a fifth shipyard, and the and we are
Speaker 1: appropriating a trillion dollars or whatever it is to buy
Speaker 1: and build a public Navy shipyard at a point of
Speaker 1: the sect navs choosing and to commence immediately. How long
Speaker 1: till that could be up and running.
Speaker 6: It depends on if you're going from a place where
Speaker 6: there's absolutely no no capability now if it was just
Speaker 6: a blank sheet of paper versus if you were recommissioning
Speaker 6: someplace that used to be a shipyard.
Speaker 1: So like you could.
Speaker 6: Probably go quicker in Alameda, if you know, depending on
Speaker 6: what condition they're dry docks are in, if you're going
Speaker 6: to improve those docks, as an example, you could be
Speaker 6: up and running, you know, maybe in a couple of years.
Speaker 6: If you were building from scratch, a graving dock big
Speaker 6: enough to take a Virginia class submarine is probably you know,
Speaker 6: three years worth of construction. As an example, we put
Speaker 6: in a new shiplift at the think Cantieri's yard in Marinette,
Speaker 6: Wisconsin after it was bought in order to bring it
Speaker 6: up to be a to produce modern surface combatants, and
Speaker 6: between the permitting, which I know you know a lot about,
Speaker 6: and then the dredging and then the building of that,
Speaker 6: it was a two and a half year job to
Speaker 6: put in a modern shiplift. I expect if they were
Speaker 6: going to do a graving dock or a shiplift somewhere
Speaker 6: in the West Coast, it would be a simil or
Speaker 6: build cycle, and you'd have to do more than one.
Speaker 6: You'd be working on multiple ones at the time. So
Speaker 6: it's a two to three year effort to get the
Speaker 6: facility up and running out of it.
Speaker 1: I should amend and extend my remarks. If Congress passed
Speaker 1: a notwithstanding any law ignoring the Coastal Commission, overriding all
Speaker 1: federal and state and local regulations and condemning whatever local
Speaker 1: use is at Alameda, That's where I go. It can
Speaker 1: be protected by MIRAMA. I mean, it just makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. That's where I go. But that would
Speaker 1: require a sweeping statute to clear with the debris. What
Speaker 1: is a component repair center and why do we need one?
Speaker 1: Because I'm going to use the last segment on NAVC reform.
Speaker 1: So what's a component repair segment?
Speaker 6: What it is is it's a central repository where you
Speaker 6: would either store repair parts or build specialty repair parts
Speaker 6: for a particular class of ship. In this case, it
Speaker 6: refers to our submarines, and I think specifically, even though
Speaker 6: it mentions the Los Angeles Glass and the Virginia Class
Speaker 6: and the Ohio Class, I think this is really targeted
Speaker 6: at our aging Los Angeles class fleet. The administration correctly
Speaker 6: wants to keep the Los Angeles class ships in service
Speaker 6: for absolutely as long as possible. Some of them are
Speaker 6: old enough that they have a lot of components that
Speaker 6: just aren't available anymore in the open market. So this
Speaker 6: is a centralized storehouse and fabrication using things like three
Speaker 6: D printing and other advanced manufacturing to keep enough repair
Speaker 6: parts in a central location, made stocked, sent out so
Speaker 6: they can keep some of our older submarines in service
Speaker 6: for absolutely as long as possible in order to keep
Speaker 6: our submarine count up.
Speaker 1: And how long would it take? Where would it be
Speaker 1: and how long would it take? I think this.
Speaker 6: Could be ideally in any centralized place that had good
Speaker 6: road rail access, so you could put it nearly anywhere
Speaker 6: in the country again, and I'm sure there are lots
Speaker 6: of different regions that would like to have this around,
Speaker 6: you know. And you could put it in a lot
Speaker 6: of different places if you if the people didn't care
Speaker 6: about watching bad football, they could put it in Ohio,
Speaker 6: the uh and and the uh uh but the uh uh.
Speaker 6: You know, so where it goes as long as it's
Speaker 6: uh connected to a good logistics train, if could go anywhere.
Speaker 6: And I think this could be up in the in
Speaker 6: a matter of of you know, certainly less than two years,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 6: I think this Pentagon could get it done in a
Speaker 6: year because they tend to move fast.
Speaker 1: Again, if the Congress passed and notwithstanding any law, how
Speaker 1: many jobs are we talking about with a facility like this,
Speaker 1: Captain van.
Speaker 6: Drot Oh, I I have not dug in enough beyond
Speaker 6: the executive order to put a number on that. I mean,
Speaker 6: if you like, if you said, how many yard jobs
Speaker 6: is that is that fifth shipyard, I'd say that fifth
Speaker 6: shipyard is probably like three thousand to four thousand workers.
Speaker 6: Based on the size of our other public yards, the
Speaker 6: competitent Repair Center. I'd have to study more to give
Speaker 6: you an actual job counch.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm coming back one more segment with Captain
Speaker 1: Mark Van Draft for charge United States Navy, Senior Vice
Speaker 1: President Ken Terry, former Trump won National Security Council official,
Speaker 1: to talk about what NAVSEY is, what reforms are proposing,
Speaker 1: the President's memorandum, why we need him, and whether or
Speaker 1: not Secretary cow or Acting Secretary Cowie how to be
Speaker 1: Secretary cow can get it done. Stay with us. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. Continue to talk with Captain Mark Van Draft,
Speaker 1: retired United States Navy. He's a Senior Vice President viin
Speaker 1: can Terry, former President Trump official in the NSC National
Speaker 1: Security Council in the first administration, and we come to
Speaker 1: navsee Mark for the audience. The depth sec of Defense,
Speaker 1: Steve Feinberg is doing a fabulous job that nobody knows about,
Speaker 1: trying to reform to defence acquisition. And I think Acting
Speaker 1: Secretary An Kao is doing a great job with the Navy.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets a vote and it gets nominated
Speaker 1: permanent secretary. But you get five minutes to try and
Speaker 1: explain what NAVC specifically is and what the Presence Memorandum
Speaker 1: proposals be done to reform it.
Speaker 6: So thanks you. So NAVC is an acronym that stands
Speaker 6: for the Naval Sea Systems Command. All the services have activities,
Speaker 6: each organized a little differently, but within the Navy a
Speaker 6: Systems Command, because there's also the Naval Air Systems Command
Speaker 6: and a few others, is a large organization which is
Speaker 6: charged with a cradle to grave from the research and
Speaker 6: development to develop a capability, through acquiring the capability, through
Speaker 6: taking care of the capability through its life cycle, and
Speaker 6: then disposing it. So the Naval Sea Systems Command does
Speaker 6: that for ships and submarines. The depsec War and the
Speaker 6: Undersecretary for War for Acquisition early on in the Trump
Speaker 6: two administration really has already done some sweeping reforms, not
Speaker 6: just for the Navy, but how all the Department of
Speaker 6: War Acquisition operates. It sounded less impactful than it really is,
Speaker 6: but they've changed the authorities around to really provo. I
Speaker 6: selected individuals with a lot of authority across both contracting,
Speaker 6: technical and budgeting and programmatic to try to drive more
Speaker 6: accountability and drive out bureaucratic friction in order to accelerate programs.
Speaker 6: I think that's having and will have a very significant
Speaker 6: positive effect. I think NABSI has already gone through that
Speaker 6: level of reorganization, as the rest of the Department of
Speaker 6: War has, but this presidential memorandum directs a study to
Speaker 6: see what else Navsey needs to do to get into
Speaker 6: the twenty first century. I mean, I spent most of
Speaker 6: my career in the Navy either at NAVSTY headquarters or
Speaker 6: in various NAVSY field commands. I ended my career in
Speaker 6: command of one of their largest field commands, the Naval
Speaker 6: Surface Warfare Center, card Rock, is where I finished my
Speaker 6: naval career. But in a lot of ways, they really
Speaker 6: still have a nineteen eighties set up, organization, and mentality,
Speaker 6: and they need to be brought into the twenty first century.
Speaker 6: They have processes that work very well for the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 6: and in order to meet the challenges today, it probably
Speaker 6: does take a fresh approach, And this memorandum tells Secretary
Speaker 6: Cow to go and study what that fresh approach will
Speaker 6: look like and report back to the President. And I
Speaker 6: have every confidence I know Secretary Cow at least a
Speaker 6: little bit fellow Naval Academy graduate, and I am sure
Speaker 6: he will get this one right.
Speaker 1: So two questions to close with Ungress gets involved and says,
Speaker 1: in the next NBAA on a reconciliation bill, do this
Speaker 1: reorganized in six months? Would that help? And the second
Speaker 1: question would be can you actually get it done in
Speaker 1: the Trump years, because it's actually a bigger question. Have
Speaker 1: we fallen too far behind China to catch up? I
Speaker 1: try and be an optimist.
Speaker 6: I believe, you know, America's pulled off things, amazing things
Speaker 6: in the past, so I don't think we've fallen too
Speaker 6: far behind China to catch up. I like the fact
Speaker 6: that this memorandum uses allies and partners in the Finland model. Certainly,
Speaker 6: my company, think Cantri and you know, as a company
Speaker 6: that's based in Italy, one of those allies and partners,
Speaker 6: it wants to be part of the solution to providing
Speaker 6: the sea power that the United States needs. So I
Speaker 6: think we've got that going for us. Certainly, Congressional support
Speaker 6: is critical for any major reform effort. It's a co
Speaker 6: equal branch of government and ultimately they hold the power
Speaker 6: of the purse. So the President's going to need to
Speaker 6: have Congress on board in order to make this happen.
Speaker 6: Can it be done within the remaining years of the
Speaker 6: Trump administration. You can get a long way there. Certainly,
Speaker 6: whoever follows of whatever political party is going to need
Speaker 6: to be committed to this because it took us from
Speaker 6: President Reagan deregulating the civilian shipbuilding industry in the early
Speaker 6: eighties till now that thirty five forty years. It took
Speaker 6: us thirty five or forty years to dig ourselves into
Speaker 6: this hole. You're not going to dig out in two years.
Speaker 6: But as you were fine to say, the first rule
Speaker 6: of holes is stop digging, digging. This memorandum is a
Speaker 6: direction to stop digging and start filling in the hole
Speaker 6: as fast as you can so.
Speaker 1: Mark van Draft, Captain van Draft, I greatly appreciate a
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler Guys fan and a Florida Gators fan guide
Speaker 1: to understanding. I got you back see to understanding what
Speaker 1: this memorandum means, and I hope it will get other
Speaker 1: people to read it and study it and talk about it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Captain Mark Vandroff. Stay tuned, America. I'm Cucurett.
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm good. Hewitt Seth Bendel, Senior
Speaker 1: editor at Commentary Magazine, joins me. Seth of all the
Speaker 1: podcasts around the world that I listened to. The one
Speaker 1: that's most schizophrenic about Donald Trump and the Iran War
Speaker 1: is yours at Commentary. I listened to it every day.
Speaker 1: This week is a special week of author by author.
Speaker 1: But some days you're happy, some days you're sad, some
Speaker 1: days you're joyful, sometimes you're crying. I think this has
Speaker 1: been a very good week.
Speaker 14: We contain multitudes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's been a very good week. Though
Speaker 1: for the war, I think Iran is crumbling. What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think one thing that we've always said on
Speaker 14: the podcast from the beginning is that Iran has way
Speaker 14: more to lose from a ro tracted conflict than the
Speaker 14: United States does. They just cannot endure the same degree
Speaker 14: of economic disruption that we can. And so what they've
Speaker 14: done is they've tried to play our public against itself
Speaker 14: and whipped up bad headlines and of course the price
Speaker 14: of make sure the price of gas goes up, things
Speaker 14: like that, and those have been effective, but it doesn't
Speaker 14: change the fact that the negative effects we have felt
Speaker 14: won't destroy the United States but Roan. This is an
Speaker 14: existential conflict for Iran, and its money will eventually run out,
Speaker 14: especially if we continue to find ways through and around
Speaker 14: the strait of horror Moones.
Speaker 1: Now, Secretary Besson's giving a big announcement on Monday about
Speaker 1: how we go to the wall. We've always had maximum sanctions,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna do more. It might be the swift
Speaker 1: bank system. I don't know what it is, but we're
Speaker 1: going to do more. And I like this, And I
Speaker 1: also think I agree with the commentary podcasters when you
Speaker 1: guys say I wish President Trump would do more than
Speaker 1: say they can't be in nuclear power, which you explain
Speaker 1: how Germany could have been stopped in thirty four, thirty
Speaker 1: five or thirty six and it wasn't. And that Iran
Speaker 1: BB before breakout is a lot easier to deal with
Speaker 1: than Iran AB after breakout. In fact, they can't be
Speaker 1: dealt with, And that the States are huge and we've
Speaker 1: got to see this through. Is that the missing piece
Speaker 1: in your mind, Just explain it again and again and again.
Speaker 14: That is part of it, and the other missing pieces
Speaker 14: just to make sure that we actually craft a strategy
Speaker 14: and stick to it. And part of that is enforcement. Right,
Speaker 14: So the president's decision to go full economic pressure, economic
Speaker 14: warfare is the kind that could win the conflict. But
Speaker 14: he has to make sure that there's no holes in
Speaker 14: the bucket. Dear Liza, you know he's got you know it.
Speaker 14: He Earlier this year, Pakistan opened a land bridge to Iran.
Speaker 14: What it did was it opened.
Speaker 1: Its ports to goods that could be shipped.
Speaker 14: To Iran and from Iran, and that means that China
Speaker 14: can can trade. Essentially, China can trade with Iran without
Speaker 14: through Pakistan, without having to pay Pakistani import duties. So
Speaker 14: it's a it's just a way to circumvent the blockade.
Speaker 14: It's not necessarily illegal, although it will be against the
Speaker 14: next plan, as the plan that the President is expected
Speaker 14: to announce that Besn't is expected to announce in full,
Speaker 14: it would violate those terms almost certainly. But he's going
Speaker 14: to have to make sure that those holes are sewn up,
Speaker 14: those loopholes don't come through because Pakistan, which is negotiating
Speaker 14: the terms of these deals, has been allowing Iran to
Speaker 14: first of all, allow ships with oil to hang around
Speaker 14: in Pakistani ports just to try to beat the blockade
Speaker 14: or stick it out until the blockade ends. And they've
Speaker 14: also been, like I said, opening these land bridges and
Speaker 14: canceling import duties for countries who want to trade with Iran.
Speaker 14: So you need Pakistan online and all aboard a program
Speaker 14: like this, and if you do that, then yeah, for
Speaker 14: sure it can. But you have to really have to
Speaker 14: decide and stick with it.
Speaker 7: Is the other part.
Speaker 1: You're probably too young to remember. The day after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, not long after, Richard Armattene, then Deputy Secretary
Speaker 1: of State, flew to Semous Sharaf, the President of Pakistani
Speaker 1: said this is what you're going to do, and this
Speaker 1: is when, and it's stuck for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: We scared the daylights out of them. I think we
Speaker 1: need to do that with Iran. But I do listen
Speaker 1: to Richard Goldberg. I wonder if you do. When Richard
Speaker 1: goes on with Mark bublowit's on Foundation for Defensive Democracies.
Speaker 1: It really sounds like Operation Freedom is going and that
Speaker 1: the oil is coming out of this great do you get?
Speaker 1: And new pipelines are being built at the speed of Trump.
Speaker 14: Rich knows better than I do of those specifics, and
Speaker 14: I love listening to him because I love good news.
Speaker 14: So he's been, yeah, he's been. He's been sunny about that,
Speaker 14: and uh, and he's not one to make this stuff up.
Speaker 14: You know, he knows what he's talking about. This is
Speaker 14: this is an issue on which you know, he's had
Speaker 14: the info nailed down for a long time. This is
Speaker 14: his wheelhouse and so I trust that what he's saying
Speaker 14: is true. And so if that's really the case, then
Speaker 14: as I said before, the economic toll that we take
Speaker 14: is even less and the economic toll that Iran takes
Speaker 14: is even more so.
Speaker 1: What is the endgame in Seth Mandel's might in mind,
Speaker 1: it's a cup against the regime by elements of the
Speaker 1: artest or even within the IRGC, because nobody's getting paid.
Speaker 1: What's your game look like?
Speaker 14: It has to be and everybody hates using the term
Speaker 14: regime change, but it has to be a change of
Speaker 14: the regime. This can't the current regime. And they've made
Speaker 14: this more official lately by the way the Supreme Leaders
Speaker 14: has appointed to senior posts IRGC officials and given IRGC
Speaker 14: that's the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the besieged militia,
Speaker 14: has given them more power over domestic policy. He has
Speaker 14: essentially turned this structurally into the IRGC state. It is
Speaker 14: not now a state with an IRGC that goes abroad
Speaker 14: and makes trouble and a besiege that beats people up
Speaker 14: at home. That's the state now, and so from this
Speaker 14: you can't have peace because, as the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 14: report the other day laid out in specifics about the
Speaker 14: intercepted communications between Iran and the Gulf countries, Iran is
Speaker 14: the one that has decided, Supreme Leader supposedly that this
Speaker 14: war is not going to end. Iran is the one
Speaker 14: that decided to scuttle the deal that was taking shape
Speaker 14: over the Strait of horror moves these This is Iran's
Speaker 14: decision to continue and prolong this war, and what we
Speaker 14: know now is that they can. They're planning for this
Speaker 14: to go on indefinitely. So I don't see how you
Speaker 14: don't get some sort of significant change regarding who's in charge,
Speaker 14: but still ends the state of hostilities.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important question and the most
Speaker 1: important discussion for Americans to focus on, and I believe
Speaker 1: the Pentagon and the President and the Treasury Department and
Speaker 1: the CIA is doing that. Seth Mandel always good to
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