1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: He's editor in chief of breit Bart News and a 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author, and on this podcast 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: he brings deep research, prescient analysis at world class guests. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: He's Alex Marlow, and this is the Alex Marlow Show. 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Julian Epstein. He's a former 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: Democrat consultant as well as someone who actually served the 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: former Democrat Chief Counsel the House Judiciary Commitee. Very impressive 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: title there, but not doing a lot with the Democrats 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: these days. Julian, I want to get your assessment of 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: what's going on with the left here and help me 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: sort out some of their positions and some of what 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm hearing and seeing. And I just a praise how 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: it feels like in generic ballots Democrats doing well, but 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: it seems like each one of their spokespeople is not 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: really very impressive, to say the least. But I want 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: to go issue by issue. Let's start with Ice and Minnesota. 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: We're coming to this news. I got a little late, 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: but can you just give me your overview on how 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: you think the left has handled that situation, because it 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: feels like the polls they did well, but it just 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: seems like a lot of the messaging was very divisive, 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: very aggressive, and kind of coddling the bad guys. But 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: maybe that's just my perspective as right wing guy. 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanks for having me, Alex. It's good to 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: be with you again. I mean, I think what's going 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: on in immigration with the Democrats is the same thing 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: what's going on with all of the issues. If you 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 3: look at political polarization since the nineteen nineties, almost all 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: of the political polarization is because the Democratic Party has 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: moved very far left. The Republican Party has pretty much 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: stayed where it was in the nineteen nineties, maybe even 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: moved left itself. I mean, just take immigration as one example. 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: Take balanced budget. Republicans used to before balanced budget. Now 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: they're having budgets that are one and a half trillion 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: dollars in debt. You could go down a you go 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: down a variety of issues. What's happened on immigration, I 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: think is the party has moved very far leftwards and 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: open borders point of view, even though it is masquerading 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: that position as saying it wants sort of responsible by partisanship. 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: What it really wants I think it's open borders, and 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: that's what you're seeing in places like Minnesota. What happened 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: to Minnesota was, whether you like it or not, the 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: federal government was enforcing federal law. And what was happening 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: on the streets in many instances, if not most instances, 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: was lawlessness. Attacking and obstructing a federal law enforcement which 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: is a violation of at least two different statutes, the 47 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: sedition statute, and then there are a number of statutes 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: that make it criminal to interfere with federal law enforcement. 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: What was happening on the streets in Minnesota and Minneapolis 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: was not First Amendment free speech. It was obstruction of 51 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: law enforcement. And I think the Democrats missed the plot 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: on that the game that the Democrats were playing, and 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: this was sort of the far left, you know, with 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: heavy financing coming from the NGO and philanthropy community, and 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: I think even from some foreign sources of acording to 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 3: some reports, is that they figured they could change the 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: political game by forcing violent confrontations with federal law enforcement. 58 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: And when people started seeing that on the news, a 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: lot of Americans sort of had got a weak need 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: on that and said I don't like these pictures. I 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: want this stuff to end, and that was the game 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: the Democrats were playing. So the front line for the 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: far left was to force violent confrontation with law enforcement 64 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: hope that enough of Americans in the center would say 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: I don't like what I'm seeing and then force the 66 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: administration into a back down position, which is what I 67 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: think happened. I think what happened in Minnesota is the 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: administration back to down. What they're doing now on the 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: shutdown alex Is they are ostensibly arguably saying they want 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: responsible law enforcement reforms, but what they're really trying to 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: do is shut down a lot of federal law enforcement. 72 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: On immigration. I'll give you one example there. What they're 73 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: arguing is that there has to be judicial warrants right 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: to stop detain and arrest and begin deportation proceedings for 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: an illegal immigrant. Okay. So in the last year, ICE 76 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: detained somewhere on the order of seven hundred thousand illegal immigrants. 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: This year it's projected to be close to a million. Okay, 78 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 3: So do the math on that. There's ninety four federal 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: district courts. If you were to say that you needed 80 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: judicial warrants in each of those six seven hundred thousand instances, 81 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: you would be talking about six thousand judicial warrants a year. 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: The federal courts would go out of business. They wouldn't 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: be able to do anything else. That's all they would 84 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: be doing. And I think the Democrats know that, and 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: I think they also know that there's plenty of jurisprudence 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: that suggests that administrative warrants, in the case of detaining 87 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: somebody that you know is here illegally, are perfectly constitutional. 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: You have a nineteen sixty case involved in a hotel 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: room with an illegal immigrant. You've got a two thousand 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: and seven case, and I think was Utah where the 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: circuit courts validated administrative warrants for an escape prisoner. So 92 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: there's plenty of judicial authority for administrative warrants. But I 93 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: think what the Democrats know is if they force the 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: regime to go to a judicial warrant requirement, that you 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: will dramatically slow down any kind of deportation policy. I'm 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: same with masks. You know, the Left cannot deny that 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: there is an organized, financed vigilante effort going on to harass, 98 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: if not attack, and assassinate Ice officials. You demask them 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: and allow this effort to docs identify them you are 100 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: making them sitting ducks, and you are effectively inviting, in 101 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: my opinion, you are inviting vigilante violence against people doing 102 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: their job enforcing federal law according to what they're supposed 103 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: to be doing. So I think the Democrats are saying 104 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: what they want now in the second instance, now that 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: the ice, the ice drama is over in Minnesota, they 106 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: want responsible legislation that follows sort of the normal practices 107 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: of law enforcement, when in fact, what I think the 108 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: Left is trying to do is to shut down, shut 109 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: down any kind of deportation proceeding. And this is this 110 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: is what sort of interesting I wish. 111 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: That Julian, we don't have any You're laying it out 112 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: in a very I think, fear way. It's that the 113 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: no one likes the mask. Tom Holman says he doesn't 114 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: like the masks. But also it's a reality that if 115 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: you they're the institutional lab which is funding this stuff, 116 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: is trying to docks and harass the people who are 117 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: in ICE. I mean, you've got people openly saying that 118 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: if you're the potential governor of California, Eric Swalwell is 119 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: saying that you cannot work in this state if you 120 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: worked for ICE, like to feed your family if you're 121 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: a law enforcement person. I mean, the stuff is incredibly intimidating. 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: That's why these guys put the mass on and just 123 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: so there. It's just so disingenuous to act like they're 124 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: putting the mass off for any other reason other than that. 125 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: And yet that's exactly what's the mainstream conversation. 126 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: Well, so let me use are just a middle ground 127 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: that I think the Democrats could make but they won't, 128 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: which is that if you are part of an effort 129 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: to doc spreederal law enforcement, to harass to obstruct them, 130 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: we are going to expedite surveillance of you, and we're 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: going to expedite prosecutions of you. Any effort whatsoever to interfere, obstruct, 132 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: or attack and ICE official or threatened ICE official will 133 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: be met with a full force of the law. Now, 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: if the Democratic leadership would just come out and say that, 135 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: you know, then maybe we could have the beginning of 136 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 3: a discussion as to how we could find some middle ground. 137 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: But they don't. Nord has the Democratic with the exception 138 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: of a few, you know, lip service statements from occasionally 139 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: from Waltz and Fray at Pray in Minnesota for the 140 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: most part, they have been encouraging the street. The street riots, 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: which has not been free speech, in my opinion, has 142 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: been crossing the line. After the Democrats sort of been 143 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: the left lectured us about J six and how sort 144 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: of violence to achieve political ends and these sort of 145 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: rioters in the Capitol were the greatest threat to democracy ever. Well, right, 146 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: you know what this is in Minnesota is the new Confederacy. 147 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: You know, we don't like federal law even though the 148 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: public voted for it, even though it is the law, 149 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: and we're not going to allow you to enforce it. 150 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's precisely right. And I feel 151 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: like that is So how do you think it plays 152 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: out long term? Because short term it does feel like 153 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: the left achieve their goal what they are often able 154 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: to do, particularly when you don't have someone super charismatic 155 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: and compelling on the ballot in an election cycle like Trump, 156 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: which is that I think it's the the narrative that 157 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: Ice is behaving like some sort of a gestapo got 158 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: into the general culturals like geist and all the rest 159 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: of the content that you know Renee Good was an 160 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: agitator and that her wife was egging on the cops, 161 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: and then her wife was commanding her to drive into 162 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: the officer, and that Alex pretty seemed to be a 163 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: violent nutcase. And all this stuff comes out long after 164 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: the fact and seems to get the signal is one 165 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: tenth as strong as the initial ice killed people news cycle. 166 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: And that's the design, obviously. So how do you think 167 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: it shakes out in the end? You think enough people 168 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: got the full context or probably not? 169 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: No, And I think this is you know, if you 170 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: put Donald Trump today, Alex into the late nineteen nineties, 171 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,119 Speaker 3: he'd be considered probably a moderate Democrat, his positions on immigration, 172 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: on budget probably been considered a moderate Democrat. And the 173 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: public is still there. The public hasn't changed that much 174 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: on a lot of these issues since the nineties. You 175 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: can take race, you can take immigration, budget, you pick it. 176 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: But what has changed is the activist left in the end, 177 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 3: particularly with the jet fuel of the online world. What 178 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: might so? I think, you know, Trump occupies the political 179 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: center on a lot of issues, including immigration. My criticism 180 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: of Trump is that he is too parapatetic. He is 181 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: not focused. He jumps from one issue to the next. 182 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: And what I think should have occurred in the case 183 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: of Minnesota. Is the president should have given an Oval 184 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: Office address and said, look, we don't want to see violence, 185 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: we don't want to see unnecessary confrontations. But the previous 186 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: president let intend to fifteen million illegals. This is having 187 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: incredible downward pressure on wages for the working class. It's 188 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: class warfare against the working classes. Having incredible pressure on 189 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 3: the housing market, credible pressure and public assistance of markets. 190 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: We can't afford it. And people if they want to 191 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: come in. We're a country of immigrants. But if you 192 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: want to come in, you got to ring the front 193 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: doorbell and wait in line, and you don't skip the 194 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: line and do it illegally. And I think if the 195 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: President made the case the right way to the public 196 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: and sustained it as to what we're doing and why 197 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: we're doing it. We're not engaging in deportations because we're 198 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: mean spirited people. We're a beneficent people. We're the we 199 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: are we are, we are benevolent. The Americans as a 200 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: people are incredibly benevolent, understanding and and and and helpful 201 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: to people that are dispossessed. We're not doing it out 202 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: of mean spiritedness. We're doing it because no country can survive, 203 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: as Bernie Sanders said, I think in twenty fifteen with 204 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: an open borders regime. And so what you know, my 205 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: criticism of President Trump is that he doesn't sustain the 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: focus sufficiently on any issue. I mean, I think you've 207 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: seen that in Gaza. I think you've seen that with 208 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: the universities and education reform, which you know, I think 209 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: he's done pretty good on the anti semitism issue in universities, 210 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: but he has not done well on the complete lack 211 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: of ideological balance in what is our most probably important 212 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: cultural institution. I think education is more important than the 213 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: news media in terms of you know, your your former, 214 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: your your your your north Star of Breitbart used to say, 215 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: politics is downstream of culture, right, So the major the 216 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: sort of the major issues within cultural institutions. I think 217 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: you know, the President has identified, but as far as 218 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: education has not attacked the ideological imbalance that is outrageous 219 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: at the universities and that it's fawning the problems of 220 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: anti Semitism and anti Westernism. So my criticism is that 221 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 3: is that you asked me where I think this is going. 222 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: I think if the President and Homan and the others 223 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: can get up and say this is what we're doing, 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: and why then I think it shifts back towards the 225 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Republican Party having the majority position on this with majority 226 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: public support. But that takes a sustained effort from a 227 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: pr point of view, and the left is calling ICE 228 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: you know, fascists and everything else, and there's no real 229 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: answer to it. So I think that's a failure on 230 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: the part of the White House on communications from. 231 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed this one from the start, and it's 232 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: interesting because they they have pretty easy points to make, 233 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: which is that are I think pretty pretty fundamental here 234 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: that I think that in the sense that these were activists, 235 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: they were agitators, And the reason why the ice ICE 236 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: was surged in that area is because we haven't covered 237 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: massive amounts of immigrant fraud and it feels like stuff 238 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: that should have been fairly easy to spell out pretty fast, 239 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: and it was never It wasn't done until it's too late, 240 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: which I'm not saying they can't bat a thousand. I 241 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: think overall they're doing pretty good and some of these 242 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: new cycles, but this one did not work out that great, 243 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: and I'm just wondering how much lasting damage it could 244 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: potentially have, But I want to cover other stuff with 245 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Julia in the time that we got next. I want 246 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: to turn the Munix Security Conference a really bad look 247 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: for Democrats across the board. Just some of the low 248 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: lights for me, AOC not having even any coherent risk sponts, 249 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: good batter, indifferent on what would happen if China would 250 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: invade Taiwan. We've got Gretchen Whitmer, who seemed to be 251 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: clueless on the Ukraine Russia issues. She very well could 252 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: be on the ticket. In twenty twenty eight, Mark Kelly 253 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: was saying that China and Russia are popping Champagne because 254 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: of Trump, which is completely fraudulent. I had a whole 255 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: chapter in my best selling my best selling book on 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: Joe Biden about how his connections to China are so 257 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: deep it's almost impossible to comprehend it. Just Davin Newsome 258 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: going saying in Germany that we're behaving at the Gestapo 259 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: is just even for him. It's pretty low stuff. So 260 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: but does this penetrate? Does anyone care about this because 261 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: they didn't have a single highlight of the group. 262 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think it penetrates. I mean, there's 263 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: footage of all this stuff, which is that all of 264 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: them would have to come back and answer for this 265 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: stuff if they are running for president. None of this 266 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: stuff will wear well over time. I mean, look with 267 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: respect to AOC, I mean one of the things that 268 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: I like when I was more active in democratic politics 269 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: was a democratic Democrats wanted to lift the voices up 270 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: of people that had traditionally not been represented. I think 271 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: that's great, that's a wonderful thing where you know, we're 272 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: epler vers union kind of thing. But it does not 273 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: help democrats when they lift up voices that have clearly 274 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: no command of the facts. I think that was the 275 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: case with Kamala Harris. I think you would ask her 276 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: a question on anything that was complicated in volun policy, 277 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: and she just couldn't answer the question. And was that 278 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: advancing the interests of African America and Southeast Asian women? Know? 279 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: Because I think people looked at her and said, that's 280 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: a woman who's not ready to be president. I think 281 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: with respect to AOC, you know, this is not the 282 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: first time she's been asked on an important stage a 283 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: question that acquires an answer that is different from what 284 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: you might give if you're a social media activist. Right. 285 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: So she was asked. She did a show called Firing Line, 286 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: and she was asked about the quote unquote Palestinian occupation, 287 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: and she was asked a simple question about it, and 288 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: she fumbled around for minutes, and then she finally said, 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm really not an expert on that. 290 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: This was several years ago. But you know, she will 291 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: lock arms with the head of Columbia University Apartheid divest 292 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: who is calling for the destruction of the West and 293 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: the assassination of Jews. You know, here in the Munic conference. 294 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: It was a very easy answer for her to give 295 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: if she had had even just the slightest understanding of 296 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: nuanced complexity that involves foreign affairs, which is, we've had 297 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: a policy strategic ambiguity. I'm not about to second guess 298 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: that now, and not on a public stage. That's all 299 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: she needed to say. She had said that, great, would 300 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: have been fine. But she fumbles around, and I think 301 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: she just underscores what a lot of people say about her, 302 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: which is she just doesn't have command of the fact. 303 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 3: She's in over her head when it gets into anything 304 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: that requires I remember when Tom Holman came in and 305 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: and and she tried to challenge Tom Holman about whether 306 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: people crossing illegally were violating from it a law when 307 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: she said they're not illegal, and Holman said, I'll let 308 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: me point out title eight to you exactly what title 309 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: A said. She just had done the basic research. So 310 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: she just seems anytime you get into you know, the 311 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: world is a complicated place with a lot of layers 312 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: and people with different motivations and sort of it's a 313 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: complex place. Anytime you get into any complexity, it just 314 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: seems that she is not able to grasp, you know, 315 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: sort of what's going on here. The complexity of the issue. 316 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: Was it was a. 317 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: No, it was an empress wearing no clothes. 318 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Moum. Yeah. And so this is what I want to 319 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: bounds off you, because like how do we get here? 320 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: And you know, when I wrote my aforementioned book about 321 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, I a hedge because I did not know 322 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: for sure he'd be the nominee when I started to 323 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: do the research. The book came out in twenty three, 324 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: and I didn't know, you know, it takes a little 325 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: over a year to put together something like that, and 326 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's a presidential history, so it takes a 327 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: lot of effort, but I knew that there's a chance 328 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: it was going to be irrelevant by the time it 329 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: went to print. So I had and I did a 330 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: lot of research into Kamala Harris and it was very 331 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: striking to me. Two things that I want to connect 332 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: to this current news cycle. She's just not particularly bright. 333 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I think Joe Briden is brighter, and I think a 334 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: lot of the top Democrats are brighter. Like I'm not 335 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: someone who just goes around calls my political opponent's idiots. 336 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: I don't do that typically. She just did not strike 337 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: me as very impressive, and that came through. And the 338 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: other thing was she was beloved by the donors. Why 339 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: that was you can draw your own conclusions, but the 340 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: donors absolutely loved her and they would choose her over 341 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: just about anyone else, at least at the time in 342 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: terms of where they would wanted to put their donor dollars. 343 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: And so I'm trying to do the math here on 344 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: seeing all of these people who are really not impressive, 345 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: don't have commanded the facts test driving their potential candases 346 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: overseas at a security conference even when they're out of power, 347 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: and none of them look very good. It just makes 348 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: me think, are these people all puppets of the donor class? Still? 349 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: Are we still in that era? We didn't move to 350 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: a populist democrat the politician AOC. Maybe isn't the populace 351 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: we were told you was. Maybe they're all just donor 352 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: darlings in the end. Still, what is your take on that? 353 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: I think that the I think that the Democrats have 354 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: there's sort of a couple things that are going on. 355 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: I think that the party has moved left for a 356 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: number of reasons. One is the power of the influencer, 357 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: the online influencer left, and I think the party is 358 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: sort of just answering almost exclusively to the online activists left, 359 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: which has as you know, it's sort of it's it's 360 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: intellectual north star. Two ideas. One is grievance. The West 361 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: is unfair, the West is oppressive, and we have to 362 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: undo the systems of oppression. And I think the second 363 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: thing is growing the welfare state as a way of 364 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: buying votes. I think immigration is sort of tied into 365 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: that as well. So I think the I think the 366 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: party has moved dramatically to the left for that reason. 367 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 3: And is is is sort of what I find frequently 368 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: is that the Democratic Party, and particularly the left, operates 369 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: on a motion. So you get a woman from a 370 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: previously underrepresented group, she becomes the candidate, and they stop thinking, 371 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: this is this is this is sort of exhilarating, this 372 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: is this is rage euphoria. Uh. I think the party 373 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: operates a great deal on I find the left operates 374 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: a great deal on emotion, and the right not exclusively, 375 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: but the right is increasingly operating on facts and reason. 376 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: I hate to say that as somebody's sort of used 377 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 3: to be very active in the Democratic Party, but I 378 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: find the left is using looking for online exhilaration, somebody 379 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: who makes them feel good, somebody who makes them feel 380 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: that they are in their sort of Spartacus moment. I 381 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: don't think there's anyone on the left that could give 382 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: the speech that Mark Rubio gave in Munich, which was 383 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: an incredible speech on the importance of Western civilization and 384 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: what Western civilization has contributed to mankind in the last 385 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: two centuries. I mean, human beings lived in abject poverty. 386 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: Ninety five percent of human beings lived in abject poverty 387 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: for almost all of human history, and what has happened 388 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 3: in the West with the industrial revolution, science and industry 389 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: and the arts, is that it has lifted billions of people, 390 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: not just in the West but elsewhere into economic prosperity, 391 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: into liberty, and it has done for humanity what no 392 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: other civilization has ever done. And that's essentially what Marco 393 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: Rubio was saying. And I mean, I think we are 394 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: at an inflection point right now where that kind of 395 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: thing needs to be said. I think for a whole 396 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: host of reasons, the West is facing all kinds of 397 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 3: challenges and the West sort of needs to stand up 398 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: for itself and be proud of all the things that 399 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: it has done that have been so good in the world, 400 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: not to say that everything has done has been perfect. 401 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: And I just don't think the left has that zeitgeist 402 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: going on. I think the left is looking for grievance. 403 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: I think the left is looking to buy votes through 404 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: the welfare state, and it has forgotten what every previous 405 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: generation has done, which is to build. You know, every 406 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: generation has had a responsibility to build for the future, 407 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: to make a to take what you find and build 408 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 3: so that the next generation has a better future. Right now, 409 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: we have the challenges of Ai. What I hear the 410 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: left talking about is, you know, the oppression, Olympics and 411 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: the welfare state, but nothing about building for the Ai revolution. 412 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: And that's so that's why I think you find these 413 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: cartoons like Gavin Newsom and Munich and AOC who just 414 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: couldn't answer basic questions. The incentive isn't for serious thought 415 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: about the future. The incentive is for who can tear 416 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: down the other side, who can say that Western civilization 417 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: is bad, Who can talk about growing the welfare state 418 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 3: as far as the eye can see, even though it's 419 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: bankrupting us. The incentive for the kind of thing you're 420 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: talking about, Alex just isn't there any longer in the 421 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: Democratic Party. 422 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: And it used to be really interesting, and I appreciate 423 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: that perspective, Julia. I want to hit a couple other 424 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: things in our limited time that we got today with you, 425 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: and next one, give me your thoughts on the whole 426 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: voter id debate, where it seems like the Democrat voter 427 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: base has come around to the idea that voter IDs 428 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: are probably a good idea in this country, and the 429 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: fact that the leadership is just acting as though it's 430 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: still not only a bad idea, but an act of 431 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: overt racism to ask for people to have an idea 432 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: at the polls. 433 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, again to my point that I was 434 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: just making Alex in our conversation is that, you know, 435 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party increasingly, acting emotionally, calls everything it doesn't 436 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: like racist and calls people they don't like racists and Nazis, 437 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 3: and that I think is wearing thin with people, and 438 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 3: you're seeing that on the voter ID. Joe Biden went 439 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: down in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two saying that 440 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: George a voter I D plan was Jim Crow two 441 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: point zero when we saw the evidence of that. The 442 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: evidence is very thin of that black voter participation. If 443 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: you measure from two sixteen to two twenty four, it's 444 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: gone way up. The evidence of that it just isn't 445 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: that strong. I think there's strong there's a strong need 446 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: for voter ID, not just for the voting situation, but 447 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: I think for whole host of situations we've got. We've 448 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: got probably millions of we've got tens of millions of 449 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: people in this country. We have no idea who they are, 450 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: And even under the Biden administration, I think there were 451 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: data that showed as many as five hundred thousand people 452 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: came in during immigration. The immigration wave we had had 453 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: criminal pass criminal histories. I know from different groups that 454 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 3: I work with it there are terror cells working inside 455 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: of the United States. So I think beyond voter I 456 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: d I think we need it for our security purposes. 457 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: I think we need it for e verify. I think 458 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: this sort of nineteen eighties ACLU big brother complaint that 459 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: if you know there is a sum system where you know, 460 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: we can sort of know who's here, who they are, 461 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: are they here legitimately, that that is somehow, you know, oppressive, 462 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: or that is somehow Nazi Germany. I think that's sort 463 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: of nonsense. I think that's sort of out the window. 464 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: Democrats are fighting I think a losing hand politically here. 465 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: I think, you know, the National Review has made good arguments, 466 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: I think compelling arguments that Republicans want to be careful 467 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: before they nationalize the voting system because Democrats, when they 468 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: get in, they're going to do things that Republicans don't like, 469 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: from same day voting and automatic registration, ballot harvesting, and 470 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: Puerto Rico and DC becomes two states. So you know, 471 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: do you want to nationalize voting here. I think Republicans 472 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: could probably take this into state referenda and win on 473 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: many of them. But I think Democrats would be much 474 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: better placed, rather than fighting voter ID, to say, Okay, 475 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: let's have a regime where we can make sure that 476 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: all the people who are here legitimately get voter ID 477 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: without too much cost or too much effort. Let's get 478 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: a system and place where we can get it to everyone, 479 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: and if there's some difficulty people are experiencing, make it 480 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: easy for them. That would be a better argument for Democrats. 481 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's I see it. I see what 482 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 2: we're talking about. Let me get one more thought from 483 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: you before I let you run for today, Julian. The 484 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: other one that I want to hit with you is 485 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: there is I think a broader conversation that we're just 486 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: starting to I think see play out in our country 487 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: with regards to this disconnect between what's going on the 488 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: media what's going on in people's private lives. And I 489 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: feel like that there's I don't know if we're talking 490 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: about the things we're talking about are things that are 491 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: being acutely felt, and I feel like this one could 492 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: potentially come back and bite Republicans in that it does 493 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: feel like on paper things you're moving in the right 494 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: direction economically, but I don't trust that people are feeling it, 495 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: and the burden becomes on the party in power. And 496 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: I want to caution some people on the right of 497 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: which I'm a part, that it's not necessarily enough to 498 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: have things get incrementally better when it comes to inflation 499 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: and affordability, because if overall people still feel like they're 500 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: yolowing all their savings away and credit card debt and 501 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: stuff like that, then it just it is ultimately becomes 502 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: our problem. It doesn't become our problem immediately, but over 503 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: time it does. And do you feel like this is 504 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: just a reality and the Republicans need to start embracing 505 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: the fact that they're gonna get blamed for everything that's 506 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: wrong in this country, or do you feel like that 507 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: there is perhaps a path to remind people that a 508 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: lot of this is born of the deficit spending of yesteryear. 509 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: No, the former of those two look American people wonderfully. 510 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: Wonderfully are an aspirational people, right, we think about how 511 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 3: good life can be tomorrow, and that means a political 512 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: party to be successful, has got to talk about what 513 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: it's doing to build for tomorrow. And I think the 514 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: Republican Party has completely lost the script here by saying, 515 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: you know, what we've done in the Big Beautiful Bill 516 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: is all we need to do. And the Democrats are 517 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: the people that authored the affordability crisis through inflation. That's 518 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: not going to cut out for people. That's not a 519 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: satisfactory answer. What the Republican Party should be doing is saying, 520 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: here is how we are building for the future. We 521 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: recognize the AI anxiety, and this is what we're doing 522 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: to train people to build a better life. The situation 523 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: Alex in New York right now is a perfect example. 524 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 3: Mundamie is about to fall flat on his face. He's 525 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: not going to get the tax in corporate taxing, the 526 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: income tax and corporate tax increases from the state. So 527 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: he's going moving now towards a property tax for which increase, 528 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: for which he will see a mass revolt from the middle. Yes, 529 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: he doesn't have the budget to do anything he wants. 530 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: Everything's going to fall flat now. Republicans could be stepping 531 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: in and saying, hey, I've got the answer. Deregulate housing, 532 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: lower tax rates, here are all the things that are 533 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: going to spur a new era of prosperity and growth 534 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: and take care of the housing shortages. And here's how 535 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: we do it and put it into a package that 536 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: people can readily understand. And that's true across the country, 537 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: and I think the Republican Party is completely missing this. 538 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: The people have to understand. The American people are aspirational. 539 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: We want a better tomorrow. Tell us how you're going 540 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: to get us to a better tomorrow. Don't tell us 541 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: what you did yesterday. Don't tell us how bad the 542 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: other guy is. That's the mistake that the Democrats make, 543 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: and I think the Republicans are making the same mistake. 544 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: Hey, it's a word of caution. I think you're a 545 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: perfect vessel to make that point to my audience. I 546 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: do want to do one more quickly, and it's not 547 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: a quick one, so be able. We'll do a part 548 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: two on this. But we could be a war with 549 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: Ron by the time we h this joke comes out. 550 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. So it's a evaluate. How do you 551 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: think the piece is going? First of all, the piece 552 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: in Israel, which is sustained thus far, but also the 553 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: prospect of I mean Ron just keeps up the crazy 554 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: talk despite being credibly vulnerable, which I don't totally have 555 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: any sense of this why they're doing this, but they 556 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: keep acting as though they're in a position of deep 557 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: power and they're not. They're very depleted, and it is 558 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: an opportunity for Trump to I think, attack effectively, but 559 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of his base wants that 560 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: to happen. Where do you think we're at? 561 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: In general? Trump has been brilliant on the Middle East. 562 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about generational realignment towards a pro 563 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: Western model in the Middle East. If he can see 564 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: these things through. We have not seen through the Gaza 565 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: disarmament plan. Hamas is still there, They're still armed, they 566 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: are still controlling about a half to a third of 567 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: the land mass there, and they have not been disarmed 568 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: the way the Trump twenty point plan promised, and that 569 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: I think again I follow through issue on the part 570 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: of the Trump administration. I think what Trump did in 571 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: June and the strikes on the nuclear facilities were brilliant. 572 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: I think it is Nobel Peace Prize worthy. And I 573 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: think Iran is trying to play the United States as 574 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: jumps right now. It is not doing anything serious in 575 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: terms of dismantling the entirety of the nuclear program, which 576 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: is what they need to do. The ballistics program is 577 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: in place the funding for their surrogate armies all over 578 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: the world to destabilize. They are the most They are 579 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: the most racist ethno nationalists destabilizing of all of the 580 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: revisionist countries, the revisionist powers. I am with Lindsey Graham 581 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: on this. I am with Ted Cruz on this. This 582 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: is an ethical moment where the President could do more 583 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: than here, than probably anywhere else to set the world 584 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: on a course for global peace by getting rid of 585 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 3: the most pariah country on the face of the planet, 586 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: which is Iran, and doing that. 587 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: Let's say there's a strategic bombing and it works out, 588 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: and we take out the regime, we take out the Iotolus. 589 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: What takes its place. 590 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: The day after, the day after is admittedly a very 591 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: very difficult question. I think that you can do the 592 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 3: strategic bombing. I think you can stop the oil flows 593 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: to China. I think there's a lot of things you 594 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: can do to just choke the regime and force regime change. 595 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: I think it's the opportunity to do it and then 596 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: it's complicated. As you know, Iran is a country of many, 597 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 3: many ethnicities. Persians are only fifty of the country. You've 598 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: got the Turkmen's, You've got Purse, You've got multiple other ethnicities. 599 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: I think there is in Iran eighty percent of the 600 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: country that is very anti regime, and that is very 601 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: pro going back to some form of self determination, hopefully 602 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: democracy there. You know, the son of the former Shah 603 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: claims he's sort of ready to step in. I think 604 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: there is a pathway towards a legitimate self determination for 605 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 3: the Iranian people, which are a beautiful people. Remember it's 606 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 3: the Persians that treat the Jews alex as you know, 607 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 3: from slavery during the Babylonians the fifth century BC. I 608 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: think there would be no better historical poetic justice than 609 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: for Israel and the United States to help liberate them 610 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 3: from their enslavers. I think there is a plan for 611 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: the day after, and I think it's viable. 612 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: So it's interesting. I mean, I just don't see the 613 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: show coming back to power. I just don't think he was. 614 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: I think there's been a lot of revigionous history about 615 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: the Shaw's effectiveness prior to the Iranian revolution, and I 616 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: think Trump kind of treats certainty the Plavi family like 617 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: their clowns. And I don't purport to be an expert 618 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: in this, Julian, but it just feel it feels messy, 619 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: and I know Trump's base doesn't like that when the 620 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: margins are very thin. And this is a very tough one, 621 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: I think for people who are conscientious in nuance or 622 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: they're approached to stuff, because if you're going black and white, 623 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: this is clear for the America first crowd, stay away 624 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 2: from this. But Trump is kind of a genius at 625 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: pulling off the impossible in these situations in the past, 626 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: and so I'm definitely not underestimating him. I really don't 627 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: see what's going to. 628 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 3: Happen when there is more time. When there is more time, 629 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: I would like to make an appeal on this show 630 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: to the America first class as to which I get 631 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 3: and I understand, and I get the concerns about focusing 632 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 3: on America for I get it. I totally get it. 633 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: But I would like to make an appeal as to 634 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 3: why regime change in Iran and everything the president has 635 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 3: been trying to do in Israel in the Middle East 636 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: is very much in concert with America First, because what 637 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: the bad guys are trying to do in that area 638 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: is to do everything to undermine America first in the 639 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: long run, I think, and it is completely consistent with 640 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 3: the American First agenda. 641 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, my audience knows. I've applauded almost everything he's I 642 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: think literally everything he's done, all the strategic bobbing's, all 643 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: the surprise attacks I think have all worked out and 644 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: incredibly well. I just find I just find what will 645 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: follow an attack on Iran to be maybe worth it 646 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: may be worth it, but so messy. That's just super 647 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: tough to do an election year. Whereas you say, we're 648 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: not batting a thousand on the more fundamental stuff. I mean, 649 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: we try to clean up I llegal immigrant crime in Minnesota, 650 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 2: and we lose the news cycle, you know, when that 651 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: stuff's happening. It's tougher to I think sort of freelance 652 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: with regime change, you know what I mean. 653 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 3: This is the potential for a historic realignment that is 654 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 3: pro wessed in this area that attacks terrorism, anti Westernism, 655 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: all of the destabilizing violence. The opportunity to do something 656 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: then deliberate a people here is unprecedented, I think, and 657 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: you know, if you want, I'm more than happy to 658 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 3: go back and forth with you, come on to a 659 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: show just on this. 660 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: We're trying to give you the forum doing. I mean 661 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: this is because I think this is a really complex 662 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: one where I'm I'm definitely fenceitting on this one because 663 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 2: I love the idea of leads. You know, I totally 664 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: go down and I think people don't underestimate the fact 665 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 2: that we constantly my programming, in particular, I talk about 666 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 2: the laughed obsessively. But there is not all of these 667 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: communist regimes that are popping up all over the world, 668 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 2: but there are Islamist regimes popping up over the world. 669 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: And that's really what's interesting. And then we have New 670 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 2: York City, which is going to be both communisty and Islamist. 671 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: So we got to take this out. 672 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 3: Try London, Tryparis. It's happening all over. Look at what's 673 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 3: happening in Nigeria. And you know, I've spoken to conservative 674 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 3: Christian leaders in the US and all of them are 675 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 3: you know, just horrified at what's going on out of Nigeria, 676 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: And are you know, so gratified that the president, who 677 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: doesn't have any political benefit of doing what he's been 678 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 3: doing in Nigeria takes the initiative to liberate Christians who 679 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 3: are being slaughtered by Islamic extremists and and doing it 680 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 3: for all the right moral reasons and strategic reasons. I 681 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 3: will add, but you know, I like it when when 682 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 3: you say things like I haven't made my mind up 683 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 3: on this. I wish I heard more people say that 684 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: in American politics because so many issues are complicated and 685 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 3: it's and I don't hear people say that, And I 686 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: wish I heard people say that more often. It's refreshing 687 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: to hear people say that, and because it so shows 688 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 3: you have an open mind and you're willing to be 689 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 3: persuaded by reason, and that's all you can ask of anybody. 690 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just trying to get people out of 691 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: this tribalist era that we're in, and it's just we're 692 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: kind of tribal by nature. I'm not going to be 693 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: able to completely fight against this. And I benefited from 694 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 2: this because we have a lot of support at bright 695 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: Bart because we have a strong tribe. I admit that, 696 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: but it's just way more interesting when you can take 697 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 2: on some of these complex issues where this is not 698 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: black and white. Anyone who says it is is completely wrong. Yep. 699 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 3: Well that's why I enjoy our conversations. 700 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: Julian, You're a good guy. But what can I do 701 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: to help you out? And we should follow Julia and 702 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: X the Everything app? What else can I do to 703 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: plug for you? 704 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: Nothing? I enjoy our conversations. I'm happy to come on anytime. 705 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 3: Add Julian Epstein on X. 706 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 2: Great, let's do this. Let's try to do it once 707 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: a month. Let's see we can check in with you 708 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: doing that would be nice for me if you're up 709 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 2: for it.