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Speaker 1: Hi friend, I'm so glad you're here today. Let's learn how to raise our kids to love God, respect authority, and do what's right. Let's scroll less and live more. I'm Arlene Pelicane and this is a happy home. Well, my friends, I am so excited to have Addison Vivie on the podcast. He has a wonderful prayer journal Words with God forty days of Getting Real with God. Addison, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Arlene, so good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to just go right there getting real with God.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Usually like when we talk about I'm going to have some words with you, it's usually not like, oh, I'm about to compliment you. It's like I'm going to have some words talk to us about, like how do we frame that? When it's like, wait, I want to get real with God? How do we do this respectfully? Why did you decide to use those words?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think there's this lie I called the live separation, this idea that God doesn't know what's actually going on in our mind and our heart. And what I find when we're real with God, God has a way of becoming more real to us. I love what David says it Psalm forty two. He says, I pour out my complaints before you God, and people are probably thinking, wait, wait, what I'm allowed to complain to God? I thought he got really mad with the children of Israel for complaining. Yeah, there's a huge difference between complaining about God and going to God in a place of surrendered intimacy and messy intimacy, and being like, Hey, God, I want to believe in you. I want to believe that you are good. I've seen elements of your goodness in my past, but right now I'm so confused. Where are you? Yes, there's something that breaks inside of us when we break the religious idea of God in the distance of God and the performance that we have to embrace an embody to get to God, and when we just go after it, we're like, God, I'm just gonna be real with you because I don't know what else to bring, know the right motion, I don't know the right words. So I'm going to be real. And God has a way of showing up in those moments in a profound, profound way.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. How do we show this to our kids?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Right? Like kind of like is it that we're modeling it. Do we talk to them about it? Because we want our kids to also have this. But then there's also this feeling like, oh.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am the parent.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't like this in front of my child. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's a real question. I have kids ages nine to sixteen, four kids, so I've experienced and I'm experiencing the throws of the teenage years. Yes, and navigated the toddler season. Thank god I'm not in that anymore. But what I would tell the parents out there is this humility creates safety. And what I've found with my children is when I am humble before them and I bring them into a process, they bring me into their process. I once heard a counselor say, hey, all children are going to rebel. Now parents are. Now you're probably like, wait, what, No, I do not receive that for my children. But let me finish. This is what the counselor said. She said all children are going to rebel. She said they're either going to rebel against an injustice in society. It's something that they're growing up and growing into when they realize like there's just something off about this world. And God has created me for such a time as this, and I need to have a response to that or they're going to rebel against their parents. And this counselor made the argument that it's the parents who have the heart of the child, and the child that has the heart of the parents, that's the child that rebels against something in society. And so what I try to do is, I'm like, look, things get messy when they go underground, So I try to keep the messiness of becoming. Because formation. We talk about formation really as parents, and God has given us the incredible gift of forming children. Formation is not going from one illusion or idea of perfection to a different one. Formation is bringing the reality of who we are while acknowledging that there is something beyond what we know, and we can articulate what we've experienced, what we've seen. And it's that journey of faith and hope and trust and love that we create as parents that allows kids to move with us on this journey of becoming. Because Arlene, if we're honest, yeah, as parents, we're still becoming, right, Like, let's just be real, Like I tell my son, my oldest son, he's almost seventeen, and he is. He is so intense, he's so strong, God bless him. Like he's.

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Speaker 1: You can only imagine, like he's a bevere, he's a man, he's first born. It's like, oh, world, watch out.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's and he wants to go into law and theology. I'm like, wow, you okay, watch out. But but for him, I watch him and I see his journey and I have to tell of sometimes because sometimes I respond out of my own insecurities or my own fear, or my own lack and I have to tell them like ashure, I'm sorry, I missed this without sacrificing my authority, because I think a lot of parents say, oh, well, you sacrifice your authority if you if you apologize, or if you humble yourself. In no, actually, you reveal the strength of your authority if you are humble. Yeah, and yet also are strong in the midst of that humility, right, Like humility is not really it's saying, hey, I'm on this journey becoming with you. But I'm also aware, like this is where we're going as a family. This is where you're called to grow into as a son or as a daughter. And I'm on this journey with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, say that again about if I if the parent has the heart of the child, So if the parent is thinking about how was that again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So think about it like this. So we're when you think about the journey of formation, right, we're going from a season of dependence, when when we're young into a season of independence. We start to real lies that we're different people than our parents, right, Like I know that we're getting into some psychology here, but you have differentiation and you see this particularly with sons with their with their mothers. Where my son when he when he looks at his mom and he's articulated this to me, he sees nostalgia. He sees his boyhood and there's a part of that that he loves and he misses and brings him to tears. And there's a part of that that he's like, I don't want anything to do with that because I'm a man. I want to be a man.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to know.

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Speaker 2: I want to be my own person. I want to get out there and do my thing. And when we look at this journey in formation, we go from dependence to independence, and he's he's in the season where he's realizing, oh, I'm my own person, what does that actually mean? But my my role, my responsibility as a father is to guide him into interdependence, which is a healthy relationship with other people who have chosen to be in meaningful relationship. And so what I find is a lot of parents from a place of fear. They try to shrink their child's world. And it's it's a fear of preservation, right, Like it's a yeah, it's like I'm trying to maintain what. I don't want them to leave or I don't want them to lose their innocence. That that's a big thing that I hear parents say, Hey, I don't I don't want them to lose their innocence. And listen, I get that. I mean the first time I saw my daughter and my son, my daughter is almost fifteen, my son sixteen. The first time I realized, like, oh wow, they're not innocent, Like there's something different here, like they've lost an element of innocence. That's hard, that's hard to grapple with as a parents. I mean, you want to shut everything out. You're like, no, you're never leave in this house, You're never watching TV, you're never doing it. You know, there's there's a righteousness too, like a righteous I nicknation that that I that is a healthy response, but there's an unhealthy response. So this this is what I tell parents. I say, hey, we need to remember that the goal is not to preserve the illusion of the first innocence. The goal is to guide them into second innocence. That's what I t help.

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Speaker 1: I love that and.

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Speaker 2: Second innocence, that's the innocence that Jesus is describing when he says, unless you become like one of these children, unless you become childlike, you cannot enter, You cannot see the Kingdom of God. And So for me, now I'm on this journey, and I'm not saying, like, flood your kids with everything. They're gonna lose their innocence anyway. No, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that the best way to shelter and protect our children is to prepare them. Yeah, the best way is to realize they're going to be in a world that's going to assault their innocence no matter how well you protect them, no matter how many filters you put on stuff, no matter what circle of friends you put them around, no matter what school choice you make, they are going to experience things that will be an assault on their innocence. And so for us as parents, being prayerful, being watchful, being pressed, since oriented their presence, the presence of God, what God's doing in a situation, that makes all the difference in how we guide them.

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Speaker 1: That's an offensive posture versus a defensive of like, oh, I'm so afraid of what is happening here. Let's talk about when we are praying. You know, here we are in this technological world and someone shoos out of text and the bubbles are coming back immediately and you get your answer right away. This is what kids are used to. This is what we as adults are getting used to. This is not prayer. You do not ask God for something and then these little bubbles don't appear, and he's like, I'm on the I'll get to tomorrow. Like it's not like that help us through those unanswered prayers. And I'd love for you to talk about your about with insomnia, because I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear, Wow, you had to go through all that.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, there's still a part of us like, man, I had to go through all that like, really the comforting truth that came out last season for me, Arlene, as I learned a lesson that I've carried with me that God has a way of not delivering us from a thing when he knows that thing will ultimately deliver us to Him. And I think with prayer specifically, we have such a performative, immediate view of prayer and the efficacy of prayer. And so what we don't realize about prayer is that most of us when it comes to how we understand prayer, how we've been trained in prayer. And I'm talking culturally and I'm also talking practically. It's going to sound pretty radical, but I'm going to say, I don't know if I've ever said this on podcasts the first one, so here we got you ready, We're still eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So we're praying from that place of grasping rather than being grasped by God. So instead of walking with God in the cool of the day, at the pace of relationship, at a pace of wisdom, where God delivers understanding, direction, purpose, peace within the context of relationship. So it's devoid of transaction, it's relational instead of walking at that pace, which is a healthy pace of being, we're frantically grasping. And so what I tell people when it comes to prayer, because if you dig into the data, the vast majority of people think they're terrible at prayer, right, so if you look at Barno studies, if you dig into the data, but everyone and when I've talked to people, because I've now worked with tens of thousands of people on this in different capacities, and what I realize is everyone believes it's just everyone else has this figured out, and they're just like they're the one who's bad at it. And what as I've dug more into it, considering all the books that we have on prayer, all the teaching everything out there, like we should be better at this. But there's a fundamental disconnect, Arlene, that I've been able to articulate and work through personally. And it's been amazing to see how people come alongside this and they recognize it and they experience it. Is this idea that prayer is not about performance, it's about presence. It's not about what you're doing or you're not doing. It's about getting in on what God's doing prayer is less about speaking and more about listening. Prayer is more about rest than frantic in action. And so when I'm when I'm looking at what prayer is and what prayer isn't, what I'm inviting people into is a posture of rest, a posture of prayer that then gives them eyes to see how God is responding to their prayers. Because if you look at the narrative of scripture, there's so much in scripture. There's a there's a word that's used all the time. Old Testament, New Testament's the word behold. Now that's our translation of different Greek and Hebrew words, but it's just it's used thousands of times in scripture. And it's this idea of being held by something that you couldn't see before, or looking again, having eyes to see something that you didn't see before. And for so many of us, like we don't even realize that we're living in answer prayers and because we don't see the reality of God in our midst because we're so frantic, because we're so anxious, Like even the identity okay, tex textext, I got to respond to this right away, the anxiety even with that, like man, I got to pray away anxiety. I got to pray away anxiety. It's like no, no, no, you don't pray away anxiety. Anxiety is an indicator of attention. There's something that has your attention that is leading to thoughts of inadequacy when it comes to the lies of the enemy, which is, hey, you should know all things, you should be all places, you should be all powerful. And the sad thing is our smartphone feeds the illusion totally that we could be got right. So we're like, no, we should be able to know all things, do all things.

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Speaker 1: Years away from that, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We are like, no, we should be God. And the truth is like the pace of God and the pace of prayer is is this pace of walking and the guard even looking at Jesus and Matthew six, it's like, when you pray, don't be like the hypocrites, don't be like the heathens, don't be like the gentiles, saying all these words, empty phrases, borrowing conviction from other people, like when you pray, I want you to pray in confidence, and he gives us roughly fifty two words that really it's not a formula, it's a framework of what a life of prayer should be. And so when I have these conversations would be like I love going after like the morning routines and helping people understand that God designed us to our entire person as a receptor on the unconscious level and the conscious level. The entire person as a receptor. He's not just speaking when we're talking about prayer. He's not just speaking to our co mine. He's actually speaking through our entire embodied experience. So when scripture says, like onest Cristy three, that we are God's temple, it's not just a metaphor. God designed us to live in union and harmony with him. That's why Jesus says in John fourteen fifties sixty is better for you that I go away. If I go away, the spirit of God will fill you. And these things that feel abstract, these things that feel like they're at arms length, they're going to become a part of your nature as my spirit fills you. Right. So for me, when it comes to any conversation about prayer, I have to immediately dislodge it from this place of performance. I'm never doing it enough. I'm not praying enough. Well, you know, of course, my kids are messed up because I don't pray enough, or I'm not praying early enough, things like that, which leads to this place of condemnation, which which what that does is it tells people how you need to separate from God because you're not doing enough. Whereas the right of Hebrews says, and Hebrews four and no, no, you have a high priest who could sympathize with you and your lack. So press in where you find grace to help in your time of need. Approach that throne room of grace, immerce and grace help your time of need. So that's that's what I like to invite people into that pace, that way of living.

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Speaker 1: I am so glad that it was our podcast so that you just said that part, because it's true. We are to be called to walk with the Lord. That resting, that listening, that talking out of relationship versus I need to know this, I need this solved, I need you to fix this, I need you to heal this, et cetera. So that what a beautiful, beautiful thing that is you talked about. I want to ask two things. First, I want to ask about your morning ritual and about your that one hour that you do without your phone. So we'll go there in a second. But before we go there, Okay, we're getting this, Okay, the posture. This is not about performance, This is relating. This is abba father, this is you know that, this is what this is? So what you know? I am very wired, very practically, you know. So it's like, what does this look like? Am I do I talk out loud to God? Am I listening? Is there a certain time of day when I'm doing the dishes? Is that my trigger to think? Like, Lord, I should talk to you right now? Like how what might this look like? And obviously it's not a cookie cutter for everyone, but just give us kind of that next? How do I walk this way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think that's that is the question, right Like, that's the question we should all be asking. And I love what you said. It's not it's not a cookie cutter answer, But God did design us. Our biology was designed to honor God and to be a dwelling place for God. And right now, I just say, y'all, that's amazing. It is like when you really think about it, it's like, what's that's incredible? You know? And that's like, that's that's theologically sound right like that, pretty much everyone who's a Bible believing Christian, they're going to get on board with that. And so my response to you is this what has been the most transformative for me. There's been a few things. One understanding what I just said about my entire person being designed to be a receptor. How God has a way at times, and I've seen this where he speaks through and this is not anatomically correct, but I'm going to use a description. He speaks through the back of our mind and then it moves up into our front and so it kind of bubbles up, you know. And the Hebrew scriptures used terms like the kidney or the heart or the in words where it rises up and then it reaches our conscious understanding. And even if you look at who Jesus is, he is the Word made flesh, God condescend, the reality of God took on human form and was delivered through words. And so there's this idea, Okay, what does it mean to receive works from God? Well, obviously we look at the person of Jesus, the work of Jesus, Scripture, the the ind dwelling, the leading of the spirit. And so I asked myself. Okay, how do I honor my body as a temple? And so one of the things that I've been doing for years now is I do not get on my phone for at least an hour every single morning. I will not touch it, I won't look at it, and I don't use it as an alarm clock. People will probably like what you know.

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Speaker 1: Alarm clockey, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Bible alarm clock proved, Yeah, problems always not. You know, people did it for many years. It's it's a thing. Amazon has lots of them. And I know this might sound crazy for some people because over I think it's like ninety six percent of people have their phone in their hands with the five minutes of waking. But you were designed, and I mean, there's we don't have time to get all this, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a flyover. You were designed to have a receptivity that's unique to the morning. Just the way your brain functions, the way your brain waves work. When when you're asleep at night, deep sleep, you're in something called delta state. Delta state, your mind is detoxing, synthesizing, it's regulating your limbic system, which has to do with emotions, and it's where you put your story together, if you will. On an unconscious level. It's how you make sense of things that you previously didn't understand. And you've probably experienced that phenomena when you wake up at the morning you understand something that you previously didn't understand. Like, that's that's the effect of that delta state.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to stick something right here. Parents, That is why it's so important for your kids not to have a device in their room overnight so they can experience this or else they're waking up every two hours there and no wonder, they're so moody and just a mess. So let's stick that in there.

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Speaker 2: Continue, Yes, yes, parents, children, everyone in our house, we actually have a spot where all the devices go and you don't get to touch any device until you've been up for at least an hour. And that's just you. It's a part of our family culture. And at first my kids bought it. Now my kids love it. They think it's awesome. So for me, I want to protect the first movements of the day because I realize there's a sensitivity when you start waking your brain's is something called Theta state, which means that you are more receptive to the interior reality of what's going on inside of you. You're more receptive to your unconscious understanding of yourself, which is a complete catalog of your experiences of knowledge, different things. You move through all of that, it's more accessible to you. And I believe that the spirit of God wants to guide us in that moment and it become a moment of profound illumination. But the problem is if you reach for your phone, you immediately end that Theta state and you remove yourself from that place of receptivity immediately. And this is not theological, this is neurological. So I'm just want to be clear about that. Yeah, And then after you're in that Theta state, then you move to something called alpha state, and you can actually stay in alpha state for our hour fifteen minutes, where there's a receptivity that is unique to that state, creativity, openness, and you can come back into the state throughout the day. But when we wake, we're already in this place of receptivity. We're in this place of knowing and being known. There's a reason why David says in Psalm five, verse three, he says, in the morning, you hear my voice. In the morning, I lift my prayer, I prepare a sacrifice to you, and I watch. In other words, there's a uniqueness to the morning that allows us to watch and see and understand the day differently. But what happens if people get on their phone and they immediately start feeding the illusion of their god of productivity, or they're already behind, or they're comparing or whatever it is, first thing, your reticular activating system ARIS, which is a part of governing that transition from sleep to wake. It's essentially telling you what to look for. It's the gatekeeper of consciousness. So the phenomenon if you are going to buy a car and all of a sudden you start seeing that car everywhere. That's our ris, right. So if you immediately feed lack or comparison and performance, whatever's first thing in the morning, you are going to look for evidence.

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Speaker 1: You see it all day long, all day long, like whatever, Like her address is prettier than mine, your car is better than mine, your vacation was better than mine, And all of a sudden it's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: And you better believe those algorithms, Oh man, they are so good. At manipulating your lack, your sense of lack, whatever it may be. They are not your friend. So I tell people all the time, like, look, smart mornings do not include smartphones, period of I love it. There's no if ads butts about it. You're I mean, this isn't just a theological thing. This is neurological, biological, and so there's so much more to what I just shared and how that even reshapes the way you engage your phone the rest of the day if you do it, if you give God that initial time, and this is not like please tell me when I says this is not like the typical quiet time message, We're like, man, you better wake up and you better have quiet time, otherwise God's could be happy with you. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is God designs you to have a special receptivity in the morning to his leading and his guiding, and if we open ourselves to that, we'll actually see how He's at work throughout the day in ways we previously couldn't discern or understand. So that's really basic. That's really basic.

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Speaker 1: So incredible because you realize your birses are new every morning, and you realize, Wow, if I had eyes to see that, I could see like God gave this to me over sleep. He restored me, He helped me, you know, he stored up all of my emotions and now here I'm in the state of being more. It's why we work better in the morning. Why in the afternoon at three thirty or four, it's like I cannot put two sentences together. But in the morning, it's like, oh, I feel so good. It's so interesting what you're saying. And to use that to recognize, well, let me be really spiritually open to the Lord in the mornings. It makes me think moms and dads, husbands, wives in the morning time, if we can have quiet or put on worship music, but don't have the cartoons blaring, don't have of like stuff in the background, really try to use that morning for you and your kids to enjoy God's presence well.

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Speaker 2: And they're going to fight it at first, because you know, at first it's foreign because we have a lot of noise. We need signal, and we have a lot of noise. Yeah, like we need signal, we need direction, we need clarity, we need purpose, we need these things, and we think we're going to get it in the noise, but actually the noise is not where we find the clarity. And what we need is we need to have a heart posture that is receptive to the signal. And so what I tell people because people think, okay, so do I just get up and I like read my Bible for an hour? I get up and like pray.

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Speaker 3: Like okay, well, let's just this is why when I'm coaching people, I told I said, that's what I want you to do. That's what I want you to do when you wake up, all right, so your alarm goes off, or if you wake up before your alarm but it's not your phone.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want you to do. I want you to come to and I don't want you to do anything like I don't want you to move. I just want you to lay there. I want you to take some deep breaths. I just want you to be sensitive to whatever is happening. And I tell people I give people a breath prayer just I am here, just praying like I am here. I'm here in this day, I'm here in this moment, I'm here in this place. I'm not God. I can't be multiple places at once. I can't be I can't live across time. I'm right here. This is it, and take take a deep breath, and that's prayer. People are like, wait, that's prayer. I'm like, yes, that is prayer, like you can just see like the religious Bondage're like, no, that's not prayer. I haven't said anything. I'm like, no, it actually is prayer, because prayer is more about surrender than it is about whatever it is we think we're supposed to say or whatever it is we think we're supposed to do. And so I said, you know, stay in that place. And they're like, what if I fall back asleep, Well, you know, have a snooze or whatever, that's fine, Like fall back asleep for a few minutes, and that's that's actually a really sacred time, that time of coming awake. And so I said, then you know, get out of bed, do you do the morning routine. Just don't grab your phone. And what I tell people is like, look, I wander into the kitchen, I do French breass coffee. I get that going. I have my Bible, I have a journal, I have a book that a book that I'm reading, and I'm just sitting there and it's just like, come, Holy Spirit, what does today look like? And sometimes I pray the Lord's prayer and I'm quiet, and then I'm reading scripture right like I'm in scripture reading it not because I need to check a box. I'm paying attention to what God's revealing in the text. I might read a few sentences to just stop and sit with it. And then what's amazing, Arlene. If you do this, God will give you words. And then all of a sudden you're praying out He'll put a person like a person will come up or a thought or an idea or something. It's like, oh, I need to pray into that. And you start praying, you interced, you feel released, or you pray, you ask and you're like, okay, God, I trust you with this. You know whatever it is, there's a receptivity. And then what's so fun? And this is what I love. Then when you go into your day, you start you have perspective and you have power to engage the real challenges and to understand what's going on. So when you when your kids starts acting you know crazy, or your spouse is doing you know whatever, like you can engage differently. And I'm telling you it makes all the difference. Like I had a situation a few weeks ago where I was on the phone with a friend and her husband was on his deathbed, and they're they're dear friends of ours, and it's just tragic, tragic situation. I'm on the phone and I go to bed and I know he's most likely they're in Arizona. I'm like, he's most likely going to pastor in the night. I wake up in the morning and my first thought is, man, I need to grab my phone because I bet I have text messages, I bet I have calls. And I was like, now I can't, I shouldn't do that. Just the Holy Spirit checked me. So I did my normal thing, and then I picked up my phone and sure enough, text messages, two am, four am. Call. At like five thirty am, I called her, And I'm telling you, Arlene, I showed up for her different than I would have if I would have just picked up my phone first thing and responded from my own strength. I was able to speak words of life, prayer, it was all of it was entirely different, because the lie that the enemy feeds us first thing in the morning is like the world will not spin without your contribution, like you whatever it is with your kids or this or that whatever, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, like better jump in, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Better do it. And I realized in different seasons, you know, maybe for you it's thirty minutes and yes, like it's getting up earlier than your kids, and that's sacrificial. I get it. So maybe that means you're not watching something later at night to defrag. I get there are sacrifices that are made other places, but I'm telling you, I'm telling you it is worth it. And for me, going back to your question about insomnia, I thought insomnia me overcoming insomnia was all about how I went to bed. Insomnia changed for me when I started waking up different, because Arlene, we can't control how we go to sleep, but we can surrender how we wake up. And I was trying to control how I went to sleep, the environments, the perfect pillow, blackout windows, taking all the right supplements. I mean, I was doing everything, and I was a mess. For five years. A good night's sleep for me was three four hours and all the health complications that come with that. I went through that and then God miraculously delivered me and it was. It wasn't through anything that it took or anything I figured out. Psalm one twenty seven. It is in vain that you go to bed late and rise early, eating the bread of anxious toil. I was eating and being sustained by a bread that was anxious toil, and it fell, it fed this slag, this God miss and me. That was so wrong, and I needed to keep going back to that source until I realized, like God, and I'm hard headed, clearly like it. It takes a long time, but until I came to the end of myself and I was like, I can't. I can't do this, and I'd write about that in the Words with God book too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is in like our mind is like open our mind and our heart. This is amazing. I wish we could go more and more and more. Tell us how can people find out more about you? More about your book. I know you and your wife Julie have your podcast at home with the Bevis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you mentioned at home, I get to work with a really great organization called Messenger International. We have a great disciplage about Messenger X. But the books are Words with God Book and the Words with God Prayer Journal, and they work separate. So if you're more like man, I just need a prayer journal, some kind of framework. It's a really simple framework, five part framework, daily frame work. Because it's not a formula. I tell people all time now, prayer is not a formula, but I will give you a framework that you can use. Yeah, that I've had unfortunately, like it came out a month and a half ago, completely sold.

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Speaker 1: Out to a wonderful problem they have.

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Speaker 2: It's all gone, unfortunately, but they have new books coming. But it's just it's really resonated with people. Lots of people buying it for friends, giving them away, and so that's been really encouraging to see. But I would recommend one of those two, either the Words with God book or the Words with God Prayer Journal, and that it can also connect with me through rediscover prayer dot com. That's where I'm helping people rediscover a different type of prayer that isn't bound up in religious bondage and performance and this sense of never being enough. I want to bring people back to that reality of walking with God in the cool of the day.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I would have definitely related as said, I would have responded, yep, my prayer life is not good enough. I would have definitely raised my hand on that one. And of course your parents, John Bavie and Lisa Beavie, our family, all of us read The Awe of God and that just really rocked us in the best way to understand the fear of the Lord. It's really what was one of those books that was like, Okay, we all need to read this. This is a really good book. You know, my kids are now twenty one, nineteen, and sixteen, and they just all love your family. So as we close up, would you be so kind and pray over us and pray us out.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Father, we thank you for the gift of coming home. I think of what Jesus said in John fourteen, where he said I go to prepare a place for you. We thank you for the gift of being part of your family. That you are faithful, and it is your faithfulness, it is your steadfast love that creates the space and the capacity and the grace for us to be faithful. And so God, I ask right now that you would minister to every single parent right now who just feels like they're not enough, feels like they're not doing enough, feels like they come to the end of the day and they just have that sense like they didn't show up the way they could have, and they're asking questions about their kids and where their kids are at, and what they could do and what they can't do. God, I pray that you would give them eyes to see what is theirs to grab hold of and to run with, and what is theirs to release to you and entrust you with. God. I pray that they would have the courage to give you their first and their best. And I pray that you would do the miraculous in their life, not because of how they performed, but because of how they are living, more sensitive to your presence and more aware of their kid's presence, more aware of what their kids need from them, and how you your spirit, how you're bridging those gaps and you're giving them wisdom and understanding so that they can tend, that they can cultivate, that they can hold the hearts of their children in Jesus name that Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, Thanks so much for this Addison. This is going to be one of those episodes that people will come back to to listen again. Thank you so much. I hope you've enjoyed Today's conversation. I'd love to keep in touch beyond this podcast. Click subscribe in the show notes and I will give you my latest email to keep up on what's happening with technology and kids. And maybe you like reading or listening to books. I have a lot of books. You could start with The Big Three, Making Marriage Easier, Parents Rising, or Screen Kids. A big thank you to the team at Life Audio for their partnership with the Happy Home podcast. Check out lifeaudio dot com for dozens of other faith related podcasts about prayer, Bible study, and more. Remember you don't have to come from a happy home to create one. You too, can have a happy homes