1 00:00:20,196 --> 00:00:23,236 Speaker 1: Hi friend, I'm so glad you're here today. Let's learn 2 00:00:23,276 --> 00:00:26,916 Speaker 1: how to raise our kids to love God, respect authority, 3 00:00:27,196 --> 00:00:31,036 Speaker 1: and do what's right. Let's scroll less and live more. 4 00:00:31,356 --> 00:00:38,036 Speaker 1: I'm Arlene Pelicane and this is a happy home. Well, 5 00:00:38,076 --> 00:00:41,035 Speaker 1: my friends, I am so excited to have Addison Vivie 6 00:00:41,196 --> 00:00:45,196 Speaker 1: on the podcast. He has a wonderful prayer journal Words 7 00:00:45,316 --> 00:00:49,316 Speaker 1: with God forty days of Getting Real with God. Addison, 8 00:00:49,396 --> 00:00:50,436 Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. 9 00:00:51,116 --> 00:00:52,796 Speaker 2: Thank you, Arlene, so good to be here. 10 00:00:53,075 --> 00:00:55,836 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to just go right there getting real 11 00:00:55,996 --> 00:00:56,516 Speaker 1: with God. 12 00:00:56,596 --> 00:00:56,796 Speaker 2: Right. 13 00:00:56,996 --> 00:00:58,676 Speaker 1: Usually like when we talk about I'm going to have 14 00:00:58,715 --> 00:01:01,036 Speaker 1: some words with you, it's usually not like, oh, I'm 15 00:01:01,036 --> 00:01:03,715 Speaker 1: about to compliment you. It's like I'm going to have 16 00:01:03,756 --> 00:01:06,676 Speaker 1: some words talk to us about, like how do we 17 00:01:06,756 --> 00:01:08,396 Speaker 1: frame that? When it's like, wait, I want to get 18 00:01:08,436 --> 00:01:11,316 Speaker 1: real with God? How do we do this respectfully? Why 19 00:01:11,356 --> 00:01:13,116 Speaker 1: did you decide to use those words? 20 00:01:13,636 --> 00:01:16,996 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think there's this lie I called the 21 00:01:17,036 --> 00:01:20,636 Speaker 2: live separation, this idea that God doesn't know what's actually 22 00:01:20,715 --> 00:01:23,315 Speaker 2: going on in our mind and our heart. And what 23 00:01:23,396 --> 00:01:25,676 Speaker 2: I find when we're real with God, God has a 24 00:01:25,676 --> 00:01:27,996 Speaker 2: way of becoming more real to us. I love what 25 00:01:28,075 --> 00:01:30,916 Speaker 2: David says it Psalm forty two. He says, I pour 26 00:01:31,155 --> 00:01:35,116 Speaker 2: out my complaints before you God, and people are probably thinking, wait, wait, 27 00:01:35,155 --> 00:01:38,075 Speaker 2: what I'm allowed to complain to God? I thought he 28 00:01:38,116 --> 00:01:41,036 Speaker 2: got really mad with the children of Israel for complaining. Yeah, 29 00:01:41,075 --> 00:01:45,035 Speaker 2: there's a huge difference between complaining about God and going 30 00:01:45,075 --> 00:01:49,356 Speaker 2: to God in a place of surrendered intimacy and messy intimacy, 31 00:01:49,396 --> 00:01:52,036 Speaker 2: and being like, Hey, God, I want to believe in you. 32 00:01:52,276 --> 00:01:54,716 Speaker 2: I want to believe that you are good. I've seen 33 00:01:54,836 --> 00:01:57,556 Speaker 2: elements of your goodness in my past, but right now 34 00:01:57,676 --> 00:02:01,116 Speaker 2: I'm so confused. Where are you? Yes, there's something that 35 00:02:01,236 --> 00:02:05,956 Speaker 2: breaks inside of us when we break the religious idea 36 00:02:06,396 --> 00:02:09,916 Speaker 2: of God in the distance of God and the performance 37 00:02:10,476 --> 00:02:13,476 Speaker 2: that we have to embrace an embody to get to God, 38 00:02:13,796 --> 00:02:16,036 Speaker 2: and when we just go after it, we're like, God, 39 00:02:16,436 --> 00:02:17,835 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be real with you because I don't 40 00:02:17,836 --> 00:02:19,796 Speaker 2: know what else to bring, know the right motion, I 41 00:02:19,836 --> 00:02:21,676 Speaker 2: don't know the right words. So I'm going to be real. 42 00:02:22,156 --> 00:02:23,556 Speaker 2: And God has a way of showing up in those 43 00:02:23,596 --> 00:02:26,756 Speaker 2: moments in a profound, profound way. 44 00:02:27,276 --> 00:02:29,916 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. How do we show this to our kids? 45 00:02:30,516 --> 00:02:30,715 Speaker 3: Right? 46 00:02:31,196 --> 00:02:34,516 Speaker 1: Right? Like kind of like is it that we're modeling it. 47 00:02:34,555 --> 00:02:36,435 Speaker 1: Do we talk to them about it? Because we want 48 00:02:36,476 --> 00:02:38,796 Speaker 1: our kids to also have this. But then there's also 49 00:02:38,835 --> 00:02:40,156 Speaker 1: this feeling like, oh. 50 00:02:39,916 --> 00:02:41,115 Speaker 2: You know, I am the parent. 51 00:02:41,196 --> 00:02:43,316 Speaker 1: I shouldn't like this in front of my child. What 52 00:02:43,395 --> 00:02:43,876 Speaker 1: do you think? 53 00:02:44,796 --> 00:02:46,556 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's a real question. I have 54 00:02:46,675 --> 00:02:52,556 Speaker 2: kids ages nine to sixteen, four kids, so I've experienced 55 00:02:52,596 --> 00:02:55,995 Speaker 2: and I'm experiencing the throws of the teenage years. Yes, 56 00:02:56,076 --> 00:02:59,036 Speaker 2: and navigated the toddler season. Thank god I'm not in 57 00:02:59,115 --> 00:03:02,916 Speaker 2: that anymore. But what I would tell the parents out 58 00:03:02,916 --> 00:03:07,516 Speaker 2: there is this humility creates safety. And what I've found 59 00:03:07,516 --> 00:03:10,155 Speaker 2: with my children is when I am humble before them 60 00:03:10,156 --> 00:03:14,476 Speaker 2: and I bring them into a process, they bring me 61 00:03:14,596 --> 00:03:17,636 Speaker 2: into their process. I once heard a counselor say, hey, 62 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:20,436 Speaker 2: all children are going to rebel. Now parents are. Now 63 00:03:20,476 --> 00:03:22,555 Speaker 2: you're probably like, wait, what, No, I do not receive 64 00:03:22,636 --> 00:03:25,236 Speaker 2: that for my children. But let me finish. This is 65 00:03:25,276 --> 00:03:27,796 Speaker 2: what the counselor said. She said all children are going 66 00:03:27,796 --> 00:03:30,796 Speaker 2: to rebel. She said they're either going to rebel against 67 00:03:30,796 --> 00:03:35,516 Speaker 2: an injustice in society. It's something that they're growing up 68 00:03:35,556 --> 00:03:38,076 Speaker 2: and growing into when they realize like there's just something 69 00:03:38,116 --> 00:03:40,996 Speaker 2: off about this world. And God has created me for 70 00:03:41,076 --> 00:03:43,076 Speaker 2: such a time as this, and I need to have 71 00:03:43,116 --> 00:03:47,276 Speaker 2: a response to that or they're going to rebel against 72 00:03:47,276 --> 00:03:50,436 Speaker 2: their parents. And this counselor made the argument that it's 73 00:03:50,476 --> 00:03:53,516 Speaker 2: the parents who have the heart of the child, and 74 00:03:53,556 --> 00:03:56,276 Speaker 2: the child that has the heart of the parents, that's 75 00:03:56,316 --> 00:03:59,796 Speaker 2: the child that rebels against something in society. And so 76 00:03:59,876 --> 00:04:02,276 Speaker 2: what I try to do is, I'm like, look, things 77 00:04:02,356 --> 00:04:06,916 Speaker 2: get messy when they go underground, So I try to 78 00:04:07,196 --> 00:04:11,956 Speaker 2: keep the messiness of becoming. Because formation. We talk about 79 00:04:11,996 --> 00:04:14,476 Speaker 2: formation really as parents, and God has given us the 80 00:04:14,516 --> 00:04:19,476 Speaker 2: incredible gift of forming children. Formation is not going from 81 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:23,916 Speaker 2: one illusion or idea of perfection to a different one. 82 00:04:24,276 --> 00:04:28,116 Speaker 2: Formation is bringing the reality of who we are while 83 00:04:28,196 --> 00:04:31,636 Speaker 2: acknowledging that there is something beyond what we know, and 84 00:04:31,716 --> 00:04:34,636 Speaker 2: we can articulate what we've experienced, what we've seen. And 85 00:04:34,676 --> 00:04:37,796 Speaker 2: it's that journey of faith and hope and trust and 86 00:04:37,836 --> 00:04:41,556 Speaker 2: love that we create as parents that allows kids to 87 00:04:41,716 --> 00:04:44,676 Speaker 2: move with us on this journey of becoming. Because Arlene, 88 00:04:44,676 --> 00:04:49,716 Speaker 2: if we're honest, yeah, as parents, we're still becoming, right, Like, 89 00:04:50,356 --> 00:04:52,635 Speaker 2: let's just be real, Like I tell my son, my 90 00:04:52,676 --> 00:04:55,156 Speaker 2: oldest son, he's almost seventeen, and he is. He is 91 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:59,676 Speaker 2: so intense, he's so strong, God bless him. Like he's. 92 00:05:00,956 --> 00:05:03,796 Speaker 1: You can only imagine, like he's a bevere, he's a man, 93 00:05:03,996 --> 00:05:06,996 Speaker 1: he's first born. It's like, oh, world, watch out. 94 00:05:07,436 --> 00:05:10,436 Speaker 2: Oh he's and he wants to go into law and theology. 95 00:05:10,516 --> 00:05:14,356 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, you okay, watch out. But but for him, 96 00:05:14,396 --> 00:05:18,716 Speaker 2: I watch him and I see his journey and I 97 00:05:18,755 --> 00:05:22,315 Speaker 2: have to tell of sometimes because sometimes I respond out 98 00:05:22,315 --> 00:05:24,755 Speaker 2: of my own insecurities or my own fear, or my 99 00:05:24,876 --> 00:05:27,755 Speaker 2: own lack and I have to tell them like ashure, 100 00:05:27,876 --> 00:05:30,836 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I missed this without sacrificing my authority, because 101 00:05:30,836 --> 00:05:31,916 Speaker 2: I think a lot of parents say, oh, well, you 102 00:05:31,956 --> 00:05:35,156 Speaker 2: sacrifice your authority if you if you apologize, or if 103 00:05:35,156 --> 00:05:38,476 Speaker 2: you humble yourself. In no, actually, you reveal the strength 104 00:05:38,676 --> 00:05:41,956 Speaker 2: of your authority if you are humble. Yeah, and yet 105 00:05:42,076 --> 00:05:45,596 Speaker 2: also are strong in the midst of that humility, right, 106 00:05:45,596 --> 00:05:48,956 Speaker 2: Like humility is not really it's saying, hey, I'm on 107 00:05:48,996 --> 00:05:51,516 Speaker 2: this journey becoming with you. But I'm also aware, like 108 00:05:51,636 --> 00:05:53,835 Speaker 2: this is where we're going as a family. This is 109 00:05:54,116 --> 00:05:55,955 Speaker 2: where you're called to grow into as a son or 110 00:05:55,996 --> 00:05:57,796 Speaker 2: as a daughter. And I'm on this journey with you. 111 00:05:57,916 --> 00:06:01,315 Speaker 1: Yeah, say that again about if I if the parent 112 00:06:01,436 --> 00:06:03,755 Speaker 1: has the heart of the child, So if the parent 113 00:06:03,836 --> 00:06:05,796 Speaker 1: is thinking about how was that again? 114 00:06:06,236 --> 00:06:09,755 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So think about it like this. So we're 115 00:06:10,276 --> 00:06:12,116 Speaker 2: when you think about the journey of formation, right, we're 116 00:06:12,156 --> 00:06:15,316 Speaker 2: going from a season of dependence, when when we're young 117 00:06:15,716 --> 00:06:19,276 Speaker 2: into a season of independence. We start to real lies 118 00:06:19,396 --> 00:06:22,195 Speaker 2: that we're different people than our parents, right, Like I 119 00:06:22,236 --> 00:06:25,756 Speaker 2: know that we're getting into some psychology here, but you 120 00:06:25,755 --> 00:06:29,515 Speaker 2: have differentiation and you see this particularly with sons with 121 00:06:29,556 --> 00:06:33,156 Speaker 2: their with their mothers. Where my son when he when 122 00:06:33,195 --> 00:06:36,436 Speaker 2: he looks at his mom and he's articulated this to me, 123 00:06:36,876 --> 00:06:40,515 Speaker 2: he sees nostalgia. He sees his boyhood and there's a 124 00:06:40,676 --> 00:06:43,476 Speaker 2: part of that that he loves and he misses and 125 00:06:43,556 --> 00:06:46,396 Speaker 2: brings him to tears. And there's a part of that 126 00:06:46,396 --> 00:06:47,876 Speaker 2: that he's like, I don't want anything to do with 127 00:06:47,916 --> 00:06:49,956 Speaker 2: that because I'm a man. I want to be a man. 128 00:06:50,036 --> 00:06:50,716 Speaker 1: I'm ready to know. 129 00:06:50,916 --> 00:06:52,676 Speaker 2: I want to be my own person. I want to 130 00:06:52,716 --> 00:06:55,476 Speaker 2: get out there and do my thing. And when we 131 00:06:55,476 --> 00:06:57,996 Speaker 2: look at this journey in formation, we go from dependence 132 00:06:58,876 --> 00:07:02,996 Speaker 2: to independence, and he's he's in the season where he's realizing, oh, 133 00:07:02,996 --> 00:07:06,916 Speaker 2: I'm my own person, what does that actually mean? But 134 00:07:07,076 --> 00:07:09,476 Speaker 2: my my role, my responsibility as a father is to 135 00:07:09,516 --> 00:07:13,596 Speaker 2: guide him into interdependence, which is a healthy relationship with 136 00:07:13,756 --> 00:07:17,636 Speaker 2: other people who have chosen to be in meaningful relationship. 137 00:07:18,196 --> 00:07:20,356 Speaker 2: And so what I find is a lot of parents 138 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:24,836 Speaker 2: from a place of fear. They try to shrink their 139 00:07:25,356 --> 00:07:29,716 Speaker 2: child's world. And it's it's a fear of preservation, right, 140 00:07:29,756 --> 00:07:32,516 Speaker 2: Like it's a yeah, it's like I'm trying to maintain what. 141 00:07:32,636 --> 00:07:35,076 Speaker 2: I don't want them to leave or I don't want 142 00:07:35,116 --> 00:07:37,756 Speaker 2: them to lose their innocence. That that's a big thing 143 00:07:37,876 --> 00:07:40,116 Speaker 2: that I hear parents say, Hey, I don't I don't 144 00:07:40,116 --> 00:07:42,636 Speaker 2: want them to lose their innocence. And listen, I get that. 145 00:07:42,676 --> 00:07:47,756 Speaker 2: I mean the first time I saw my daughter and 146 00:07:47,836 --> 00:07:50,196 Speaker 2: my son, my daughter is almost fifteen, my son sixteen. 147 00:07:50,236 --> 00:07:53,556 Speaker 2: The first time I realized, like, oh wow, they're not innocent, 148 00:07:53,716 --> 00:07:56,716 Speaker 2: Like there's something different here, like they've lost an element 149 00:07:56,716 --> 00:07:59,436 Speaker 2: of innocence. That's hard, that's hard to grapple with as 150 00:07:59,436 --> 00:08:01,196 Speaker 2: a parents. I mean, you want to shut everything out. 151 00:08:01,236 --> 00:08:04,196 Speaker 2: You're like, no, you're never leave in this house, You're 152 00:08:04,236 --> 00:08:07,836 Speaker 2: never watching TV, you're never doing it. You know, there's 153 00:08:07,876 --> 00:08:12,156 Speaker 2: there's a righteousness too, like a righteous I nicknation that 154 00:08:12,156 --> 00:08:14,356 Speaker 2: that I that is a healthy response, but there's an 155 00:08:14,396 --> 00:08:16,676 Speaker 2: unhealthy response. So this this is what I tell parents. 156 00:08:17,196 --> 00:08:21,316 Speaker 2: I say, hey, we need to remember that the goal 157 00:08:21,476 --> 00:08:24,596 Speaker 2: is not to preserve the illusion of the first innocence. 158 00:08:24,636 --> 00:08:26,956 Speaker 2: The goal is to guide them into second innocence. That's 159 00:08:26,956 --> 00:08:27,396 Speaker 2: what I t help. 160 00:08:27,596 --> 00:08:28,356 Speaker 1: I love that and. 161 00:08:28,476 --> 00:08:31,476 Speaker 2: Second innocence, that's the innocence that Jesus is describing when 162 00:08:31,476 --> 00:08:34,036 Speaker 2: he says, unless you become like one of these children, 163 00:08:34,876 --> 00:08:37,996 Speaker 2: unless you become childlike, you cannot enter, You cannot see 164 00:08:38,356 --> 00:08:41,716 Speaker 2: the Kingdom of God. And So for me, now I'm 165 00:08:41,756 --> 00:08:43,636 Speaker 2: on this journey, and I'm not saying, like, flood your 166 00:08:43,716 --> 00:08:47,676 Speaker 2: kids with everything. They're gonna lose their innocence anyway. No, no, no, no, 167 00:08:47,716 --> 00:08:49,956 Speaker 2: that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is 168 00:08:49,956 --> 00:08:52,436 Speaker 2: that the best way to shelter and protect our children 169 00:08:52,596 --> 00:08:55,116 Speaker 2: is to prepare them. Yeah, the best way is to 170 00:08:55,156 --> 00:08:57,916 Speaker 2: realize they're going to be in a world that's going 171 00:08:57,956 --> 00:09:02,276 Speaker 2: to assault their innocence no matter how well you protect them, 172 00:09:02,356 --> 00:09:05,276 Speaker 2: no matter how many filters you put on stuff, no 173 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:07,396 Speaker 2: matter what circle of friends you put them around, no 174 00:09:07,436 --> 00:09:10,916 Speaker 2: matter what school choice you make, they are going to 175 00:09:11,036 --> 00:09:13,596 Speaker 2: experience things that will be an assault on their innocence. 176 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:17,996 Speaker 2: And so for us as parents, being prayerful, being watchful, 177 00:09:18,316 --> 00:09:21,796 Speaker 2: being pressed, since oriented their presence, the presence of God, 178 00:09:21,836 --> 00:09:24,556 Speaker 2: what God's doing in a situation, that makes all the 179 00:09:24,596 --> 00:09:25,836 Speaker 2: difference in how we guide them. 180 00:09:26,356 --> 00:09:30,076 Speaker 1: That's an offensive posture versus a defensive of like, oh, 181 00:09:30,116 --> 00:09:33,996 Speaker 1: I'm so afraid of what is happening here. Let's talk 182 00:09:34,036 --> 00:09:37,796 Speaker 1: about when we are praying. You know, here we are 183 00:09:38,116 --> 00:09:41,836 Speaker 1: in this technological world and someone shoos out of text 184 00:09:41,956 --> 00:09:44,396 Speaker 1: and the bubbles are coming back immediately and you get 185 00:09:44,436 --> 00:09:47,076 Speaker 1: your answer right away. This is what kids are used to. 186 00:09:47,236 --> 00:09:48,956 Speaker 1: This is what we as adults are getting used to. 187 00:09:49,036 --> 00:09:51,236 Speaker 1: This is not prayer. You do not ask God for 188 00:09:51,276 --> 00:09:53,716 Speaker 1: something and then these little bubbles don't appear, and he's like, 189 00:09:53,796 --> 00:09:56,836 Speaker 1: I'm on the I'll get to tomorrow. Like it's not 190 00:09:56,956 --> 00:10:01,036 Speaker 1: like that help us through those unanswered prayers. And I'd 191 00:10:01,036 --> 00:10:03,436 Speaker 1: love for you to talk about your about with insomnia, 192 00:10:03,516 --> 00:10:05,676 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people would be surprised 193 00:10:05,716 --> 00:10:07,516 Speaker 1: to hear, Wow, you had to go through all that. 194 00:10:09,876 --> 00:10:11,476 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, there's still a part of us like, man, 195 00:10:11,556 --> 00:10:18,436 Speaker 2: I had to go through all that like, really the 196 00:10:18,996 --> 00:10:21,956 Speaker 2: comforting truth that came out last season for me, Arlene, 197 00:10:22,316 --> 00:10:25,076 Speaker 2: as I learned a lesson that I've carried with me 198 00:10:25,116 --> 00:10:26,996 Speaker 2: that God has a way of not delivering us from 199 00:10:26,996 --> 00:10:29,796 Speaker 2: a thing when he knows that thing will ultimately deliver 200 00:10:29,916 --> 00:10:35,396 Speaker 2: us to Him. And I think with prayer specifically, we 201 00:10:35,476 --> 00:10:40,596 Speaker 2: have such a performative, immediate view of prayer and the 202 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:45,036 Speaker 2: efficacy of prayer. And so what we don't realize about 203 00:10:45,036 --> 00:10:47,916 Speaker 2: prayer is that most of us when it comes to 204 00:10:48,036 --> 00:10:50,556 Speaker 2: how we understand prayer, how we've been trained in prayer. 205 00:10:50,836 --> 00:10:54,996 Speaker 2: And I'm talking culturally and I'm also talking practically. It's 206 00:10:55,036 --> 00:10:56,756 Speaker 2: going to sound pretty radical, but I'm going to say, 207 00:10:56,756 --> 00:10:58,276 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever said this on podcasts 208 00:10:58,756 --> 00:11:01,036 Speaker 2: the first one, so here we got you ready, We're 209 00:11:01,076 --> 00:11:04,156 Speaker 2: still eating from the tree of the knowledge of good 210 00:11:04,196 --> 00:11:10,756 Speaker 2: and evil. So we're praying from that place of grasping 211 00:11:11,756 --> 00:11:15,716 Speaker 2: rather than being grasped by God. So instead of walking 212 00:11:15,756 --> 00:11:18,396 Speaker 2: with God in the cool of the day, at the 213 00:11:18,436 --> 00:11:23,716 Speaker 2: pace of relationship, at a pace of wisdom, where God 214 00:11:24,196 --> 00:11:32,396 Speaker 2: delivers understanding, direction, purpose, peace within the context of relationship. 215 00:11:32,516 --> 00:11:36,796 Speaker 2: So it's devoid of transaction, it's relational instead of walking 216 00:11:36,836 --> 00:11:39,636 Speaker 2: at that pace, which is a healthy pace of being, 217 00:11:40,476 --> 00:11:44,436 Speaker 2: we're frantically grasping. And so what I tell people when 218 00:11:44,436 --> 00:11:46,436 Speaker 2: it comes to prayer, because if you dig into the data, 219 00:11:47,276 --> 00:11:50,236 Speaker 2: the vast majority of people think they're terrible at prayer, right, 220 00:11:50,276 --> 00:11:52,276 Speaker 2: so if you look at Barno studies, if you dig 221 00:11:52,316 --> 00:11:55,116 Speaker 2: into the data, but everyone and when I've talked to people, 222 00:11:55,116 --> 00:11:57,396 Speaker 2: because I've now worked with tens of thousands of people 223 00:11:57,396 --> 00:12:03,116 Speaker 2: on this in different capacities, and what I realize is 224 00:12:03,236 --> 00:12:06,276 Speaker 2: everyone believes it's just everyone else has this figured out, 225 00:12:06,676 --> 00:12:08,556 Speaker 2: and they're just like they're the one who's bad at it. 226 00:12:09,276 --> 00:12:12,756 Speaker 2: And what as I've dug more into it, considering all 227 00:12:12,796 --> 00:12:14,716 Speaker 2: the books that we have on prayer, all the teaching 228 00:12:14,796 --> 00:12:16,876 Speaker 2: everything out there, like we should be better at this. 229 00:12:17,756 --> 00:12:21,676 Speaker 2: But there's a fundamental disconnect, Arlene, that I've been able 230 00:12:21,716 --> 00:12:26,316 Speaker 2: to articulate and work through personally. And it's been amazing 231 00:12:26,356 --> 00:12:29,116 Speaker 2: to see how people come alongside this and they recognize 232 00:12:29,156 --> 00:12:32,476 Speaker 2: it and they experience it. Is this idea that prayer 233 00:12:33,356 --> 00:12:37,876 Speaker 2: is not about performance, it's about presence. It's not about 234 00:12:37,996 --> 00:12:40,676 Speaker 2: what you're doing or you're not doing. It's about getting 235 00:12:40,676 --> 00:12:44,356 Speaker 2: in on what God's doing prayer is less about speaking 236 00:12:45,596 --> 00:12:50,716 Speaker 2: and more about listening. Prayer is more about rest than 237 00:12:50,876 --> 00:12:56,276 Speaker 2: frantic in action. And so when I'm when I'm looking 238 00:12:56,316 --> 00:12:58,916 Speaker 2: at what prayer is and what prayer isn't, what I'm 239 00:12:58,916 --> 00:13:04,356 Speaker 2: inviting people into is a posture of rest, a posture 240 00:13:04,476 --> 00:13:07,596 Speaker 2: of prayer that then gives them eyes to see how 241 00:13:07,636 --> 00:13:10,356 Speaker 2: God is responding to their prayers. Because if you look 242 00:13:10,396 --> 00:13:13,196 Speaker 2: at the narrative of scripture, there's so much in scripture. 243 00:13:13,196 --> 00:13:14,836 Speaker 2: There's a there's a word that's used all the time. 244 00:13:14,876 --> 00:13:17,876 Speaker 2: Old Testament, New Testament's the word behold. Now that's our 245 00:13:17,956 --> 00:13:20,516 Speaker 2: translation of different Greek and Hebrew words, but it's just 246 00:13:20,756 --> 00:13:24,036 Speaker 2: it's used thousands of times in scripture. And it's this 247 00:13:24,156 --> 00:13:29,716 Speaker 2: idea of being held by something that you couldn't see before, 248 00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:34,076 Speaker 2: or looking again, having eyes to see something that you 249 00:13:34,116 --> 00:13:36,756 Speaker 2: didn't see before. And for so many of us, like 250 00:13:36,796 --> 00:13:39,756 Speaker 2: we don't even realize that we're living in answer prayers 251 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:43,316 Speaker 2: and because we don't see the reality of God in 252 00:13:43,316 --> 00:13:46,756 Speaker 2: our midst because we're so frantic, because we're so anxious, 253 00:13:46,756 --> 00:13:49,396 Speaker 2: Like even the identity okay, tex textext, I got to 254 00:13:49,396 --> 00:13:52,276 Speaker 2: respond to this right away, the anxiety even with that, 255 00:13:52,356 --> 00:13:54,436 Speaker 2: like man, I got to pray away anxiety. I got 256 00:13:54,476 --> 00:13:56,316 Speaker 2: to pray away anxiety. It's like no, no, no, you 257 00:13:56,316 --> 00:14:00,956 Speaker 2: don't pray away anxiety. Anxiety is an indicator of attention. 258 00:14:01,676 --> 00:14:05,716 Speaker 2: There's something that has your attention that is leading to 259 00:14:05,836 --> 00:14:08,956 Speaker 2: thoughts of inadequacy when it comes to the lies of 260 00:14:08,956 --> 00:14:11,036 Speaker 2: the enemy, which is, hey, you should know all things, 261 00:14:11,316 --> 00:14:14,276 Speaker 2: you should be all places, you should be all powerful. 262 00:14:14,556 --> 00:14:17,276 Speaker 2: And the sad thing is our smartphone feeds the illusion 263 00:14:17,436 --> 00:14:20,596 Speaker 2: totally that we could be got right. So we're like, no, 264 00:14:21,036 --> 00:14:23,516 Speaker 2: we should be able to know all things, do all things. 265 00:14:23,956 --> 00:14:25,396 Speaker 1: Years away from that, yeah. 266 00:14:25,436 --> 00:14:29,396 Speaker 2: We are like, no, we should be God. And the 267 00:14:29,516 --> 00:14:32,236 Speaker 2: truth is like the pace of God and the pace 268 00:14:32,276 --> 00:14:35,876 Speaker 2: of prayer is is this pace of walking and the 269 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:37,836 Speaker 2: guard even looking at Jesus and Matthew six, it's like, 270 00:14:37,836 --> 00:14:40,476 Speaker 2: when you pray, don't be like the hypocrites, don't be 271 00:14:40,596 --> 00:14:43,876 Speaker 2: like the heathens, don't be like the gentiles, saying all 272 00:14:43,916 --> 00:14:47,676 Speaker 2: these words, empty phrases, borrowing conviction from other people, like 273 00:14:47,716 --> 00:14:51,756 Speaker 2: when you pray, I want you to pray in confidence, 274 00:14:51,796 --> 00:14:54,516 Speaker 2: and he gives us roughly fifty two words that really 275 00:14:54,556 --> 00:14:57,356 Speaker 2: it's not a formula, it's a framework of what a 276 00:14:57,396 --> 00:15:00,556 Speaker 2: life of prayer should be. And so when I have 277 00:15:00,636 --> 00:15:02,916 Speaker 2: these conversations would be like I love going after like 278 00:15:02,916 --> 00:15:06,036 Speaker 2: the morning routines and helping people understand that God designed 279 00:15:06,156 --> 00:15:10,356 Speaker 2: us to our entire person as a receptor on the 280 00:15:10,476 --> 00:15:13,756 Speaker 2: unconscious level and the conscious level. The entire person as 281 00:15:13,796 --> 00:15:17,676 Speaker 2: a receptor. He's not just speaking when we're talking about prayer. 282 00:15:17,716 --> 00:15:20,556 Speaker 2: He's not just speaking to our co mine. He's actually 283 00:15:20,636 --> 00:15:24,156 Speaker 2: speaking through our entire embodied experience. So when scripture says, 284 00:15:24,236 --> 00:15:26,316 Speaker 2: like onest Cristy three, that we are God's temple, it's 285 00:15:26,316 --> 00:15:30,636 Speaker 2: not just a metaphor. God designed us to live in 286 00:15:30,836 --> 00:15:33,556 Speaker 2: union and harmony with him. That's why Jesus says in 287 00:15:33,596 --> 00:15:35,676 Speaker 2: John fourteen fifties sixty is better for you that I 288 00:15:35,716 --> 00:15:38,516 Speaker 2: go away. If I go away, the spirit of God 289 00:15:38,556 --> 00:15:41,156 Speaker 2: will fill you. And these things that feel abstract, these 290 00:15:41,196 --> 00:15:43,516 Speaker 2: things that feel like they're at arms length, they're going 291 00:15:43,556 --> 00:15:46,516 Speaker 2: to become a part of your nature as my spirit 292 00:15:46,596 --> 00:15:49,796 Speaker 2: fills you. Right. So for me, when it comes to 293 00:15:49,836 --> 00:15:53,796 Speaker 2: any conversation about prayer, I have to immediately dislodge it 294 00:15:53,836 --> 00:15:56,036 Speaker 2: from this place of performance. I'm never doing it enough. 295 00:15:56,196 --> 00:15:58,276 Speaker 2: I'm not praying enough. Well, you know, of course, my 296 00:15:58,356 --> 00:16:00,476 Speaker 2: kids are messed up because I don't pray enough, or 297 00:16:00,516 --> 00:16:03,596 Speaker 2: I'm not praying early enough, things like that, which leads 298 00:16:03,636 --> 00:16:07,516 Speaker 2: to this place of condemnation, which which what that does 299 00:16:07,596 --> 00:16:09,436 Speaker 2: is it tells people how you need to separate from 300 00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:11,716 Speaker 2: God because you're not doing enough. Whereas the right of 301 00:16:11,756 --> 00:16:14,116 Speaker 2: Hebrews says, and Hebrews four and no, no, you have 302 00:16:14,236 --> 00:16:17,196 Speaker 2: a high priest who could sympathize with you and your lack. 303 00:16:17,596 --> 00:16:20,556 Speaker 2: So press in where you find grace to help in 304 00:16:20,596 --> 00:16:22,956 Speaker 2: your time of need. Approach that throne room of grace, 305 00:16:22,956 --> 00:16:25,556 Speaker 2: immerce and grace help your time of need. So that's 306 00:16:25,796 --> 00:16:27,756 Speaker 2: that's what I like to invite people into that pace, 307 00:16:27,836 --> 00:16:28,596 Speaker 2: that way of living. 308 00:16:30,196 --> 00:16:32,436 Speaker 1: I am so glad that it was our podcast so 309 00:16:32,676 --> 00:16:35,636 Speaker 1: that you just said that part, because it's true. We 310 00:16:35,716 --> 00:16:39,836 Speaker 1: are to be called to walk with the Lord. That resting, 311 00:16:40,076 --> 00:16:44,556 Speaker 1: that listening, that talking out of relationship versus I need 312 00:16:44,556 --> 00:16:46,556 Speaker 1: to know this, I need this solved, I need you 313 00:16:46,596 --> 00:16:48,836 Speaker 1: to fix this, I need you to heal this, et cetera. 314 00:16:49,276 --> 00:16:51,996 Speaker 1: So that what a beautiful, beautiful thing that is you 315 00:16:53,916 --> 00:16:56,876 Speaker 1: talked about. I want to ask two things. First, I 316 00:16:56,956 --> 00:16:59,396 Speaker 1: want to ask about your morning ritual and about your 317 00:16:59,596 --> 00:17:02,116 Speaker 1: that one hour that you do without your phone. So 318 00:17:02,116 --> 00:17:05,795 Speaker 1: we'll go there in a second. But before we go there, Okay, 319 00:17:05,796 --> 00:17:09,436 Speaker 1: we're getting this, Okay, the posture. This is not about performance, 320 00:17:09,516 --> 00:17:12,475 Speaker 1: This is relating. This is abba father, this is you 321 00:17:12,516 --> 00:17:15,356 Speaker 1: know that, this is what this is? So what you know? 322 00:17:15,556 --> 00:17:18,676 Speaker 1: I am very wired, very practically, you know. So it's like, 323 00:17:18,715 --> 00:17:20,956 Speaker 1: what does this look like? Am I do I talk 324 00:17:20,955 --> 00:17:23,676 Speaker 1: out loud to God? Am I listening? Is there a 325 00:17:23,715 --> 00:17:25,916 Speaker 1: certain time of day when I'm doing the dishes? Is 326 00:17:25,916 --> 00:17:28,236 Speaker 1: that my trigger to think? Like, Lord, I should talk 327 00:17:28,275 --> 00:17:31,795 Speaker 1: to you right now? Like how what might this look like? 328 00:17:31,916 --> 00:17:34,715 Speaker 1: And obviously it's not a cookie cutter for everyone, but 329 00:17:34,995 --> 00:17:37,555 Speaker 1: just give us kind of that next? How do I 330 00:17:37,636 --> 00:17:38,396 Speaker 1: walk this way? 331 00:17:38,955 --> 00:17:41,676 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think that's that is the question, right Like, 332 00:17:41,715 --> 00:17:44,676 Speaker 2: that's the question we should all be asking. And I 333 00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:47,275 Speaker 2: love what you said. It's not it's not a cookie 334 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:52,156 Speaker 2: cutter answer, But God did design us. Our biology was 335 00:17:52,196 --> 00:17:56,275 Speaker 2: designed to honor God and to be a dwelling place 336 00:17:57,196 --> 00:18:01,636 Speaker 2: for God. And right now, I just say, y'all, that's amazing. 337 00:18:01,995 --> 00:18:05,275 Speaker 2: It is like when you really think about it, it's like, 338 00:18:05,636 --> 00:18:11,556 Speaker 2: what's that's incredible? You know? And that's like, that's that's 339 00:18:11,596 --> 00:18:15,436 Speaker 2: theologically sound right like that, pretty much everyone who's a 340 00:18:15,436 --> 00:18:17,395 Speaker 2: Bible believing Christian, they're going to get on board with that. 341 00:18:18,076 --> 00:18:22,715 Speaker 2: And so my response to you is this what has 342 00:18:22,755 --> 00:18:26,436 Speaker 2: been the most transformative for me. There's been a few things. 343 00:18:27,076 --> 00:18:32,556 Speaker 2: One understanding what I just said about my entire person 344 00:18:33,275 --> 00:18:38,396 Speaker 2: being designed to be a receptor. How God has a 345 00:18:38,436 --> 00:18:40,955 Speaker 2: way at times, and I've seen this where he speaks 346 00:18:41,636 --> 00:18:44,995 Speaker 2: through and this is not anatomically correct, but I'm going 347 00:18:44,995 --> 00:18:47,555 Speaker 2: to use a description. He speaks through the back of 348 00:18:47,596 --> 00:18:50,476 Speaker 2: our mind and then it moves up into our front 349 00:18:50,636 --> 00:18:52,636 Speaker 2: and so it kind of bubbles up, you know. And 350 00:18:52,676 --> 00:18:56,356 Speaker 2: the Hebrew scriptures used terms like the kidney or the 351 00:18:56,436 --> 00:19:00,116 Speaker 2: heart or the in words where it rises up and 352 00:19:00,196 --> 00:19:04,715 Speaker 2: then it reaches our conscious understanding. And even if you 353 00:19:04,755 --> 00:19:07,835 Speaker 2: look at who Jesus is, he is the Word made flesh, 354 00:19:07,876 --> 00:19:11,715 Speaker 2: God condescend, the reality of God took on human form 355 00:19:11,995 --> 00:19:16,436 Speaker 2: and was delivered through words. And so there's this idea, Okay, 356 00:19:16,676 --> 00:19:19,875 Speaker 2: what does it mean to receive works from God? Well, 357 00:19:19,876 --> 00:19:22,356 Speaker 2: obviously we look at the person of Jesus, the work 358 00:19:22,396 --> 00:19:26,396 Speaker 2: of Jesus, Scripture, the the ind dwelling, the leading of 359 00:19:26,436 --> 00:19:28,835 Speaker 2: the spirit. And so I asked myself. Okay, how do 360 00:19:28,916 --> 00:19:32,676 Speaker 2: I honor my body as a temple? And so one 361 00:19:32,715 --> 00:19:34,795 Speaker 2: of the things that I've been doing for years now 362 00:19:34,955 --> 00:19:37,396 Speaker 2: is I do not get on my phone for at 363 00:19:37,515 --> 00:19:40,156 Speaker 2: least an hour every single morning. I will not touch it, 364 00:19:40,235 --> 00:19:41,436 Speaker 2: I won't look at it, and I don't use it 365 00:19:41,475 --> 00:19:44,276 Speaker 2: as an alarm clock. People will probably like what you know. 366 00:19:45,035 --> 00:19:46,555 Speaker 1: Alarm clockey, Yeah. 367 00:19:46,156 --> 00:19:49,515 Speaker 2: Listen, Bible alarm clock proved, Yeah, problems always not. You know, 368 00:19:49,676 --> 00:19:51,875 Speaker 2: people did it for many years. It's it's a thing. 369 00:19:52,076 --> 00:19:55,676 Speaker 2: Amazon has lots of them. And I know this might 370 00:19:55,715 --> 00:19:57,715 Speaker 2: sound crazy for some people because over I think it's 371 00:19:57,755 --> 00:19:59,995 Speaker 2: like ninety six percent of people have their phone in 372 00:20:00,035 --> 00:20:02,676 Speaker 2: their hands with the five minutes of waking. But you 373 00:20:02,755 --> 00:20:05,556 Speaker 2: were designed, and I mean, there's we don't have time 374 00:20:05,556 --> 00:20:07,035 Speaker 2: to get all this, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do 375 00:20:07,076 --> 00:20:12,236 Speaker 2: like a flyover. You were designed to have a receptivity 376 00:20:12,235 --> 00:20:15,076 Speaker 2: that's unique to the morning. Just the way your brain functions, 377 00:20:15,076 --> 00:20:17,955 Speaker 2: the way your brain waves work. When when you're asleep 378 00:20:17,995 --> 00:20:20,436 Speaker 2: at night, deep sleep, you're in something called delta state. 379 00:20:20,836 --> 00:20:24,955 Speaker 2: Delta state, your mind is detoxing, synthesizing, it's regulating your 380 00:20:24,995 --> 00:20:28,716 Speaker 2: limbic system, which has to do with emotions, and it's 381 00:20:29,116 --> 00:20:31,315 Speaker 2: where you put your story together, if you will. On 382 00:20:31,356 --> 00:20:33,795 Speaker 2: an unconscious level. It's how you make sense of things 383 00:20:33,796 --> 00:20:36,396 Speaker 2: that you previously didn't understand. And you've probably experienced that 384 00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:38,355 Speaker 2: phenomena when you wake up at the morning you understand 385 00:20:38,436 --> 00:20:41,995 Speaker 2: something that you previously didn't understand. Like, that's that's the 386 00:20:42,035 --> 00:20:43,876 Speaker 2: effect of that delta state. 387 00:20:44,035 --> 00:20:45,795 Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to stick something right here. Parents, 388 00:20:45,916 --> 00:20:47,876 Speaker 1: That is why it's so important for your kids not 389 00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:51,355 Speaker 1: to have a device in their room overnight so they 390 00:20:51,436 --> 00:20:54,876 Speaker 1: can experience this or else they're waking up every two 391 00:20:54,916 --> 00:20:57,715 Speaker 1: hours there and no wonder, they're so moody and just 392 00:20:57,836 --> 00:20:59,316 Speaker 1: a mess. So let's stick that in there. 393 00:20:59,436 --> 00:21:03,995 Speaker 2: Continue, Yes, yes, parents, children, everyone in our house, we 394 00:21:04,035 --> 00:21:06,636 Speaker 2: actually have a spot where all the devices go and 395 00:21:06,715 --> 00:21:08,835 Speaker 2: you don't get to touch any device until you've been 396 00:21:08,916 --> 00:21:10,436 Speaker 2: up for at least an hour. And that's just you. 397 00:21:10,515 --> 00:21:12,515 Speaker 2: It's a part of our family culture. And at first 398 00:21:12,515 --> 00:21:14,396 Speaker 2: my kids bought it. Now my kids love it. They 399 00:21:14,396 --> 00:21:18,676 Speaker 2: think it's awesome. So for me, I want to protect 400 00:21:18,715 --> 00:21:21,036 Speaker 2: the first movements of the day because I realize there's 401 00:21:21,035 --> 00:21:24,436 Speaker 2: a sensitivity when you start waking your brain's is something 402 00:21:24,475 --> 00:21:26,916 Speaker 2: called Theta state, which means that you are more receptive 403 00:21:27,515 --> 00:21:31,315 Speaker 2: to the interior reality of what's going on inside of you. 404 00:21:31,316 --> 00:21:35,955 Speaker 2: You're more receptive to your unconscious understanding of yourself, which 405 00:21:35,995 --> 00:21:40,515 Speaker 2: is a complete catalog of your experiences of knowledge, different things. 406 00:21:40,515 --> 00:21:43,515 Speaker 2: You move through all of that, it's more accessible to you. 407 00:21:43,556 --> 00:21:45,275 Speaker 2: And I believe that the spirit of God wants to 408 00:21:45,275 --> 00:21:47,676 Speaker 2: guide us in that moment and it become a moment 409 00:21:47,715 --> 00:21:50,436 Speaker 2: of profound illumination. But the problem is if you reach 410 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:57,715 Speaker 2: for your phone, you immediately end that Theta state and 411 00:21:57,755 --> 00:22:01,995 Speaker 2: you remove yourself from that place of receptivity immediately. And 412 00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:05,115 Speaker 2: this is not theological, this is neurological. So I'm just 413 00:22:05,475 --> 00:22:07,876 Speaker 2: want to be clear about that. Yeah, And then after 414 00:22:07,955 --> 00:22:10,036 Speaker 2: you're in that Theta state, then you move to something 415 00:22:10,116 --> 00:22:12,315 Speaker 2: called alpha state, and you can actually stay in alpha 416 00:22:12,356 --> 00:22:17,036 Speaker 2: state for our hour fifteen minutes, where there's a receptivity 417 00:22:17,235 --> 00:22:21,715 Speaker 2: that is unique to that state, creativity, openness, and you 418 00:22:21,755 --> 00:22:24,156 Speaker 2: can come back into the state throughout the day. But 419 00:22:24,475 --> 00:22:28,876 Speaker 2: when we wake, we're already in this place of receptivity. 420 00:22:29,235 --> 00:22:31,596 Speaker 2: We're in this place of knowing and being known. There's 421 00:22:31,596 --> 00:22:34,116 Speaker 2: a reason why David says in Psalm five, verse three, 422 00:22:34,196 --> 00:22:37,156 Speaker 2: he says, in the morning, you hear my voice. In 423 00:22:37,196 --> 00:22:39,916 Speaker 2: the morning, I lift my prayer, I prepare a sacrifice 424 00:22:39,916 --> 00:22:42,955 Speaker 2: to you, and I watch. In other words, there's a 425 00:22:43,076 --> 00:22:47,595 Speaker 2: uniqueness to the morning that allows us to watch and 426 00:22:47,715 --> 00:22:50,955 Speaker 2: see and understand the day differently. But what happens if 427 00:22:50,955 --> 00:22:53,156 Speaker 2: people get on their phone and they immediately start feeding 428 00:22:53,196 --> 00:22:57,076 Speaker 2: the illusion of their god of productivity, or they're already behind, 429 00:22:57,275 --> 00:23:00,356 Speaker 2: or they're comparing or whatever it is, first thing, your 430 00:23:00,436 --> 00:23:04,316 Speaker 2: reticular activating system ARIS, which is a part of governing 431 00:23:04,356 --> 00:23:08,955 Speaker 2: that transition from sleep to wake. It's essentially telling you 432 00:23:09,035 --> 00:23:11,396 Speaker 2: what to look for. It's the gatekeeper of consciousness. So 433 00:23:11,436 --> 00:23:13,475 Speaker 2: the phenomenon if you are going to buy a car 434 00:23:13,515 --> 00:23:15,236 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you start seeing that car everywhere. 435 00:23:15,755 --> 00:23:19,475 Speaker 2: That's our ris, right. So if you immediately feed lack 436 00:23:19,636 --> 00:23:22,436 Speaker 2: or comparison and performance, whatever's first thing in the morning, 437 00:23:22,876 --> 00:23:24,755 Speaker 2: you are going to look for evidence. 438 00:23:24,916 --> 00:23:27,116 Speaker 1: You see it all day long, all day long, like whatever, 439 00:23:27,596 --> 00:23:29,995 Speaker 1: Like her address is prettier than mine, your car is 440 00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:32,156 Speaker 1: better than mine, your vacation was better than mine, And 441 00:23:32,196 --> 00:23:33,396 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's everywhere. 442 00:23:34,196 --> 00:23:36,796 Speaker 2: And you better believe those algorithms, Oh man, they are 443 00:23:36,876 --> 00:23:40,596 Speaker 2: so good. At manipulating your lack, your sense of lack, 444 00:23:40,676 --> 00:23:42,835 Speaker 2: whatever it may be. They are not your friend. So 445 00:23:42,876 --> 00:23:44,836 Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, like, look, smart mornings 446 00:23:44,876 --> 00:23:48,156 Speaker 2: do not include smartphones, period of I love it. There's 447 00:23:48,156 --> 00:23:50,636 Speaker 2: no if ads butts about it. You're I mean, this 448 00:23:50,715 --> 00:23:55,515 Speaker 2: isn't just a theological thing. This is neurological, biological, and 449 00:23:55,556 --> 00:23:58,036 Speaker 2: so there's so much more to what I just shared 450 00:23:58,076 --> 00:24:00,035 Speaker 2: and how that even reshapes the way you engage your 451 00:24:00,035 --> 00:24:01,235 Speaker 2: phone the rest of the day if you do it, 452 00:24:01,235 --> 00:24:04,396 Speaker 2: if you give God that initial time, and this is 453 00:24:04,475 --> 00:24:06,715 Speaker 2: not like please tell me when I says this is 454 00:24:06,755 --> 00:24:09,516 Speaker 2: not like the typical quiet time message, We're like, man, 455 00:24:09,556 --> 00:24:11,636 Speaker 2: you better wake up and you better have quiet time, 456 00:24:11,676 --> 00:24:13,795 Speaker 2: otherwise God's could be happy with you. That's not what 457 00:24:13,836 --> 00:24:16,876 Speaker 2: I'm saying. What I'm saying is God designs you to 458 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:20,436 Speaker 2: have a special receptivity in the morning to his leading 459 00:24:20,436 --> 00:24:22,916 Speaker 2: and his guiding, and if we open ourselves to that, 460 00:24:22,955 --> 00:24:25,756 Speaker 2: we'll actually see how He's at work throughout the day 461 00:24:25,796 --> 00:24:29,796 Speaker 2: in ways we previously couldn't discern or understand. So that's 462 00:24:29,916 --> 00:24:31,475 Speaker 2: really basic. That's really basic. 463 00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:37,076 Speaker 1: So incredible because you realize your birses are new every morning, 464 00:24:37,316 --> 00:24:40,156 Speaker 1: and you realize, Wow, if I had eyes to see that, 465 00:24:40,876 --> 00:24:43,595 Speaker 1: I could see like God gave this to me over sleep. 466 00:24:43,596 --> 00:24:46,515 Speaker 1: He restored me, He helped me, you know, he stored 467 00:24:46,596 --> 00:24:48,875 Speaker 1: up all of my emotions and now here I'm in 468 00:24:48,916 --> 00:24:51,396 Speaker 1: the state of being more. It's why we work better 469 00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:53,916 Speaker 1: in the morning. Why in the afternoon at three thirty 470 00:24:53,955 --> 00:24:56,476 Speaker 1: or four, it's like I cannot put two sentences together. 471 00:24:56,836 --> 00:24:59,036 Speaker 1: But in the morning, it's like, oh, I feel so good. 472 00:24:59,475 --> 00:25:02,676 Speaker 1: It's so interesting what you're saying. And to use that 473 00:25:03,156 --> 00:25:06,355 Speaker 1: to recognize, well, let me be really spiritually open to 474 00:25:06,396 --> 00:25:09,116 Speaker 1: the Lord in the mornings. It makes me think moms 475 00:25:09,156 --> 00:25:12,475 Speaker 1: and dads, husbands, wives in the morning time, if we 476 00:25:12,636 --> 00:25:17,156 Speaker 1: can have quiet or put on worship music, but don't 477 00:25:17,156 --> 00:25:19,715 Speaker 1: have the cartoons blaring, don't have of like stuff in 478 00:25:19,755 --> 00:25:22,715 Speaker 1: the background, really try to use that morning for you 479 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:26,235 Speaker 1: and your kids to enjoy God's presence well. 480 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:28,715 Speaker 2: And they're going to fight it at first, because you know, 481 00:25:28,796 --> 00:25:31,875 Speaker 2: at first it's foreign because we have a lot of noise. 482 00:25:32,275 --> 00:25:34,636 Speaker 2: We need signal, and we have a lot of noise. Yeah, 483 00:25:34,676 --> 00:25:38,156 Speaker 2: like we need signal, we need direction, we need clarity, 484 00:25:38,196 --> 00:25:40,276 Speaker 2: we need purpose, we need these things, and we think 485 00:25:40,316 --> 00:25:42,676 Speaker 2: we're going to get it in the noise, but actually 486 00:25:42,676 --> 00:25:46,196 Speaker 2: the noise is not where we find the clarity. And 487 00:25:46,316 --> 00:25:47,996 Speaker 2: what we need is we need to have a heart 488 00:25:48,035 --> 00:25:51,075 Speaker 2: posture that is receptive to the signal. And so what 489 00:25:51,436 --> 00:25:53,436 Speaker 2: I tell people because people think, okay, so do I 490 00:25:53,475 --> 00:25:55,196 Speaker 2: just get up and I like read my Bible for 491 00:25:55,235 --> 00:25:57,316 Speaker 2: an hour? I get up and like pray. 492 00:25:57,475 --> 00:26:00,276 Speaker 3: Like okay, well, let's just this is why when I'm 493 00:26:00,275 --> 00:26:02,316 Speaker 3: coaching people, I told I said, that's what I want 494 00:26:02,316 --> 00:26:03,196 Speaker 3: you to do. That's what I want you to do 495 00:26:03,235 --> 00:26:05,635 Speaker 3: when you wake up, all right, so your alarm goes off, 496 00:26:05,676 --> 00:26:07,116 Speaker 3: or if you wake up before your alarm but it's 497 00:26:07,116 --> 00:26:07,636 Speaker 3: not your phone. 498 00:26:07,715 --> 00:26:08,755 Speaker 2: That's what I want you to do. I want you 499 00:26:08,796 --> 00:26:10,876 Speaker 2: to come to and I don't want you to do 500 00:26:10,955 --> 00:26:13,635 Speaker 2: anything like I don't want you to move. I just 501 00:26:13,636 --> 00:26:15,475 Speaker 2: want you to lay there. I want you to take 502 00:26:15,515 --> 00:26:18,676 Speaker 2: some deep breaths. I just want you to be sensitive 503 00:26:18,715 --> 00:26:22,836 Speaker 2: to whatever is happening. And I tell people I give 504 00:26:22,836 --> 00:26:25,315 Speaker 2: people a breath prayer just I am here, just praying 505 00:26:25,356 --> 00:26:28,596 Speaker 2: like I am here. I'm here in this day, I'm 506 00:26:28,596 --> 00:26:30,996 Speaker 2: here in this moment, I'm here in this place. I'm 507 00:26:30,995 --> 00:26:34,035 Speaker 2: not God. I can't be multiple places at once. I 508 00:26:34,076 --> 00:26:36,755 Speaker 2: can't be I can't live across time. I'm right here. 509 00:26:36,836 --> 00:26:39,956 Speaker 2: This is it, and take take a deep breath, and 510 00:26:40,755 --> 00:26:44,436 Speaker 2: that's prayer. People are like, wait, that's prayer. I'm like, yes, 511 00:26:45,156 --> 00:26:48,955 Speaker 2: that is prayer, like you can just see like the 512 00:26:48,995 --> 00:26:53,036 Speaker 2: religious Bondage're like, no, that's not prayer. I haven't said anything. 513 00:26:53,076 --> 00:26:56,395 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it actually is prayer, because prayer is 514 00:26:56,755 --> 00:27:01,436 Speaker 2: more about surrender than it is about whatever it is 515 00:27:01,475 --> 00:27:03,636 Speaker 2: we think we're supposed to say or whatever it is 516 00:27:03,676 --> 00:27:06,116 Speaker 2: we think we're supposed to do. And so I said, 517 00:27:06,116 --> 00:27:07,595 Speaker 2: you know, stay in that place. And they're like, what 518 00:27:07,636 --> 00:27:09,835 Speaker 2: if I fall back asleep, Well, you know, have a 519 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,595 Speaker 2: snooze or whatever, that's fine, Like fall back asleep for 520 00:27:12,676 --> 00:27:17,116 Speaker 2: a few minutes, and that's that's actually a really sacred time, 521 00:27:17,356 --> 00:27:19,955 Speaker 2: that time of coming awake. And so I said, then 522 00:27:20,076 --> 00:27:23,275 Speaker 2: you know, get out of bed, do you do the 523 00:27:23,316 --> 00:27:25,555 Speaker 2: morning routine. Just don't grab your phone. And what I 524 00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:28,475 Speaker 2: tell people is like, look, I wander into the kitchen, 525 00:27:28,556 --> 00:27:32,555 Speaker 2: I do French breass coffee. I get that going. I 526 00:27:32,596 --> 00:27:35,275 Speaker 2: have my Bible, I have a journal, I have a 527 00:27:35,316 --> 00:27:37,875 Speaker 2: book that a book that I'm reading, and I'm just 528 00:27:37,955 --> 00:27:41,436 Speaker 2: sitting there and it's just like, come, Holy Spirit, what 529 00:27:41,715 --> 00:27:43,995 Speaker 2: does today look like? And sometimes I pray the Lord's 530 00:27:44,035 --> 00:27:46,996 Speaker 2: prayer and I'm quiet, and then I'm reading scripture right 531 00:27:47,035 --> 00:27:50,156 Speaker 2: like I'm in scripture reading it not because I need 532 00:27:50,156 --> 00:27:52,836 Speaker 2: to check a box. I'm paying attention to what God's 533 00:27:52,876 --> 00:27:56,156 Speaker 2: revealing in the text. I might read a few sentences 534 00:27:56,156 --> 00:28:01,116 Speaker 2: to just stop and sit with it. And then what's amazing, Arlene. 535 00:28:01,156 --> 00:28:04,196 Speaker 2: If you do this, God will give you words. And 536 00:28:04,235 --> 00:28:06,676 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're praying out He'll put 537 00:28:07,035 --> 00:28:09,835 Speaker 2: a person like a person will come up or a 538 00:28:09,876 --> 00:28:12,876 Speaker 2: thought or an idea or something. It's like, oh, I 539 00:28:12,876 --> 00:28:15,076 Speaker 2: need to pray into that. And you start praying, you interced, 540 00:28:15,196 --> 00:28:18,916 Speaker 2: you feel released, or you pray, you ask and you're like, okay, God, 541 00:28:19,396 --> 00:28:21,835 Speaker 2: I trust you with this. You know whatever it is, 542 00:28:21,876 --> 00:28:24,275 Speaker 2: there's a receptivity. And then what's so fun? And this 543 00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:26,436 Speaker 2: is what I love. Then when you go into your day, 544 00:28:26,916 --> 00:28:30,715 Speaker 2: you start you have perspective and you have power to 545 00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:34,315 Speaker 2: engage the real challenges and to understand what's going on. 546 00:28:34,356 --> 00:28:37,076 Speaker 2: So when you when your kids starts acting you know crazy, 547 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:39,796 Speaker 2: or your spouse is doing you know whatever, like you 548 00:28:39,836 --> 00:28:44,396 Speaker 2: can engage differently. And I'm telling you it makes all 549 00:28:44,396 --> 00:28:46,196 Speaker 2: the difference. Like I had a situation a few weeks 550 00:28:46,196 --> 00:28:49,516 Speaker 2: ago where I was on the phone with a friend 551 00:28:50,076 --> 00:28:53,156 Speaker 2: and her husband was on his deathbed, and they're they're 552 00:28:53,196 --> 00:28:56,636 Speaker 2: dear friends of ours, and it's just tragic, tragic situation. 553 00:28:56,756 --> 00:28:58,956 Speaker 2: I'm on the phone and I go to bed and 554 00:28:59,276 --> 00:29:02,196 Speaker 2: I know he's most likely they're in Arizona. I'm like, 555 00:29:02,196 --> 00:29:04,556 Speaker 2: he's most likely going to pastor in the night. I 556 00:29:04,596 --> 00:29:07,236 Speaker 2: wake up in the morning and my first thought is, man, 557 00:29:07,236 --> 00:29:09,036 Speaker 2: I need to grab my phone because I bet I 558 00:29:09,076 --> 00:29:12,276 Speaker 2: have text messages, I bet I have calls. And I 559 00:29:12,356 --> 00:29:15,595 Speaker 2: was like, now I can't, I shouldn't do that. Just 560 00:29:15,596 --> 00:29:17,876 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit checked me. So I did my normal thing, 561 00:29:18,596 --> 00:29:21,436 Speaker 2: and then I picked up my phone and sure enough, 562 00:29:21,756 --> 00:29:25,236 Speaker 2: text messages, two am, four am. Call. At like five 563 00:29:25,396 --> 00:29:28,516 Speaker 2: thirty am, I called her, And I'm telling you, Arlene, 564 00:29:28,556 --> 00:29:31,556 Speaker 2: I showed up for her different than I would have 565 00:29:31,996 --> 00:29:34,116 Speaker 2: if I would have just picked up my phone first 566 00:29:34,156 --> 00:29:38,036 Speaker 2: thing and responded from my own strength. I was able 567 00:29:38,076 --> 00:29:41,516 Speaker 2: to speak words of life, prayer, it was all of 568 00:29:41,556 --> 00:29:45,196 Speaker 2: it was entirely different, because the lie that the enemy 569 00:29:45,236 --> 00:29:47,676 Speaker 2: feeds us first thing in the morning is like the 570 00:29:47,716 --> 00:29:51,716 Speaker 2: world will not spin without your contribution, like you whatever 571 00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:53,996 Speaker 2: it is with your kids or this or that whatever, 572 00:29:54,036 --> 00:29:54,595 Speaker 2: and I get it. 573 00:29:54,596 --> 00:29:56,636 Speaker 1: Listen, like better jump in, Yeah, you. 574 00:29:56,636 --> 00:29:59,956 Speaker 2: Better do it. And I realized in different seasons, you know, 575 00:29:59,996 --> 00:30:02,916 Speaker 2: maybe for you it's thirty minutes and yes, like it's 576 00:30:02,956 --> 00:30:05,676 Speaker 2: getting up earlier than your kids, and that's sacrificial. I 577 00:30:05,676 --> 00:30:08,196 Speaker 2: get it. So maybe that means you're not watching something 578 00:30:08,276 --> 00:30:12,276 Speaker 2: later at night to defrag. I get there are sacrifices 579 00:30:12,276 --> 00:30:14,916 Speaker 2: that are made other places, but I'm telling you, I'm 580 00:30:14,996 --> 00:30:17,516 Speaker 2: telling you it is worth it. And for me, going 581 00:30:17,556 --> 00:30:20,796 Speaker 2: back to your question about insomnia, I thought insomnia me 582 00:30:20,876 --> 00:30:23,676 Speaker 2: overcoming insomnia was all about how I went to bed. 583 00:30:24,316 --> 00:30:28,196 Speaker 2: Insomnia changed for me when I started waking up different, 584 00:30:28,996 --> 00:30:32,556 Speaker 2: because Arlene, we can't control how we go to sleep, 585 00:30:33,236 --> 00:30:38,115 Speaker 2: but we can surrender how we wake up. And I 586 00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:41,876 Speaker 2: was trying to control how I went to sleep, the environments, 587 00:30:41,916 --> 00:30:45,196 Speaker 2: the perfect pillow, blackout windows, taking all the right supplements. 588 00:30:45,276 --> 00:30:47,716 Speaker 2: I mean, I was doing everything, and I was a mess. 589 00:30:47,756 --> 00:30:49,356 Speaker 2: For five years. A good night's sleep for me was 590 00:30:49,396 --> 00:30:53,196 Speaker 2: three four hours and all the health complications that come 591 00:30:53,276 --> 00:30:56,796 Speaker 2: with that. I went through that and then God miraculously 592 00:30:56,996 --> 00:30:59,876 Speaker 2: delivered me and it was. It wasn't through anything that 593 00:30:59,916 --> 00:31:02,315 Speaker 2: it took or anything I figured out. Psalm one twenty seven. 594 00:31:02,396 --> 00:31:04,836 Speaker 2: It is in vain that you go to bed late 595 00:31:05,356 --> 00:31:08,036 Speaker 2: and rise early, eating the bread of anxious toil. I 596 00:31:08,196 --> 00:31:12,315 Speaker 2: was eating and being sustained by a bread that was 597 00:31:12,596 --> 00:31:16,956 Speaker 2: anxious toil, and it fell, it fed this slag, this 598 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:22,315 Speaker 2: God miss and me. That was so wrong, and I 599 00:31:22,516 --> 00:31:26,636 Speaker 2: needed to keep going back to that source until I realized, 600 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:30,676 Speaker 2: like God, and I'm hard headed, clearly like it. It 601 00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:33,036 Speaker 2: takes a long time, but until I came to the 602 00:31:33,076 --> 00:31:34,916 Speaker 2: end of myself and I was like, I can't. I 603 00:31:34,956 --> 00:31:36,556 Speaker 2: can't do this, and I'd write about that in the 604 00:31:36,556 --> 00:31:37,596 Speaker 2: Words with God book too. 605 00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:42,075 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is in like our mind is like open 606 00:31:42,316 --> 00:31:44,716 Speaker 1: our mind and our heart. This is amazing. I wish 607 00:31:44,716 --> 00:31:47,516 Speaker 1: we could go more and more and more. Tell us 608 00:31:47,556 --> 00:31:50,476 Speaker 1: how can people find out more about you? More about 609 00:31:50,476 --> 00:31:52,436 Speaker 1: your book. I know you and your wife Julie have 610 00:31:52,716 --> 00:31:54,716 Speaker 1: your podcast at home with the Bevis. 611 00:31:56,556 --> 00:31:59,836 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you mentioned at home, I get to work 612 00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:02,876 Speaker 2: with a really great organization called Messenger International. We have 613 00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:06,316 Speaker 2: a great disciplage about Messenger X. But the books are 614 00:32:06,436 --> 00:32:09,595 Speaker 2: Words with God Book and the Words with God Prayer Journal, 615 00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:11,676 Speaker 2: and they work separate. So if you're more like man, 616 00:32:11,716 --> 00:32:14,476 Speaker 2: I just need a prayer journal, some kind of framework. 617 00:32:14,836 --> 00:32:19,236 Speaker 2: It's a really simple framework, five part framework, daily frame work. 618 00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:21,996 Speaker 2: Because it's not a formula. I tell people all time now, 619 00:32:22,036 --> 00:32:23,636 Speaker 2: prayer is not a formula, but I will give you 620 00:32:23,636 --> 00:32:27,916 Speaker 2: a framework that you can use. Yeah, that I've had unfortunately, 621 00:32:27,956 --> 00:32:29,356 Speaker 2: like it came out a month and a half ago, 622 00:32:29,556 --> 00:32:30,636 Speaker 2: completely sold. 623 00:32:30,396 --> 00:32:32,315 Speaker 1: Out to a wonderful problem they have. 624 00:32:32,516 --> 00:32:37,516 Speaker 2: It's all gone, unfortunately, but they have new books coming. 625 00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:40,276 Speaker 2: But it's just it's really resonated with people. Lots of 626 00:32:40,276 --> 00:32:43,036 Speaker 2: people buying it for friends, giving them away, and so 627 00:32:43,196 --> 00:32:45,476 Speaker 2: that's been really encouraging to see. But I would recommend 628 00:32:45,476 --> 00:32:47,076 Speaker 2: one of those two, either the Words with God book 629 00:32:47,116 --> 00:32:48,676 Speaker 2: or the Words with God Prayer Journal, and that it 630 00:32:48,756 --> 00:32:51,276 Speaker 2: can also connect with me through rediscover prayer dot com. 631 00:32:51,556 --> 00:32:56,315 Speaker 2: That's where I'm helping people rediscover a different type of 632 00:32:56,356 --> 00:33:00,956 Speaker 2: prayer that isn't bound up in religious bondage and performance 633 00:33:01,316 --> 00:33:04,156 Speaker 2: and this sense of never being enough. I want to 634 00:33:04,196 --> 00:33:06,596 Speaker 2: bring people back to that reality of walking with God 635 00:33:06,596 --> 00:33:07,436 Speaker 2: in the cool of the day. 636 00:33:07,836 --> 00:33:10,315 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I would have definitely related as said, I 637 00:33:10,356 --> 00:33:13,676 Speaker 1: would have responded, yep, my prayer life is not good enough. 638 00:33:13,716 --> 00:33:16,916 Speaker 1: I would have definitely raised my hand on that one. 639 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,956 Speaker 1: And of course your parents, John Bavie and Lisa Beavie, 640 00:33:20,476 --> 00:33:22,996 Speaker 1: our family, all of us read The Awe of God 641 00:33:23,236 --> 00:33:27,196 Speaker 1: and that just really rocked us in the best way 642 00:33:27,316 --> 00:33:30,115 Speaker 1: to understand the fear of the Lord. It's really what 643 00:33:30,236 --> 00:33:32,476 Speaker 1: was one of those books that was like, Okay, we 644 00:33:32,516 --> 00:33:34,756 Speaker 1: all need to read this. This is a really good book. 645 00:33:34,956 --> 00:33:38,116 Speaker 1: You know, my kids are now twenty one, nineteen, and sixteen, 646 00:33:38,196 --> 00:33:41,876 Speaker 1: and they just all love your family. So as we 647 00:33:41,956 --> 00:33:44,396 Speaker 1: close up, would you be so kind and pray over 648 00:33:44,516 --> 00:33:46,036 Speaker 1: us and pray us out. 649 00:33:46,636 --> 00:33:52,356 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Father, we thank you for the gift of coming home. 650 00:33:52,476 --> 00:33:54,956 Speaker 2: I think of what Jesus said in John fourteen, where 651 00:33:54,996 --> 00:33:56,636 Speaker 2: he said I go to prepare a place for you. 652 00:33:57,396 --> 00:34:00,436 Speaker 2: We thank you for the gift of being part of 653 00:34:00,476 --> 00:34:04,075 Speaker 2: your family. That you are faithful, and it is your faithfulness, 654 00:34:04,076 --> 00:34:07,676 Speaker 2: it is your steadfast love that creates the space and 655 00:34:07,716 --> 00:34:11,116 Speaker 2: the capacity and the grace for us to be faithful. 656 00:34:11,756 --> 00:34:14,076 Speaker 2: And so God, I ask right now that you would 657 00:34:14,196 --> 00:34:18,276 Speaker 2: minister to every single parent right now who just feels 658 00:34:18,276 --> 00:34:20,236 Speaker 2: like they're not enough, feels like they're not doing enough, 659 00:34:20,316 --> 00:34:22,156 Speaker 2: feels like they come to the end of the day 660 00:34:22,796 --> 00:34:24,915 Speaker 2: and they just have that sense like they didn't show 661 00:34:24,956 --> 00:34:27,996 Speaker 2: up the way they could have, and they're asking questions 662 00:34:28,036 --> 00:34:30,596 Speaker 2: about their kids and where their kids are at, and 663 00:34:30,636 --> 00:34:32,236 Speaker 2: what they could do and what they can't do. God, 664 00:34:32,276 --> 00:34:35,276 Speaker 2: I pray that you would give them eyes to see 665 00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:39,396 Speaker 2: what is theirs to grab hold of and to run with, 666 00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:43,196 Speaker 2: and what is theirs to release to you and entrust 667 00:34:43,236 --> 00:34:45,476 Speaker 2: you with. God. I pray that they would have the 668 00:34:45,596 --> 00:34:50,636 Speaker 2: courage to give you their first and their best. And 669 00:34:50,716 --> 00:34:54,476 Speaker 2: I pray that you would do the miraculous in their life, 670 00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:57,315 Speaker 2: not because of how they performed, but because of how 671 00:34:57,356 --> 00:35:01,596 Speaker 2: they are living, more sensitive to your presence and more 672 00:35:01,636 --> 00:35:05,315 Speaker 2: aware of their kid's presence, more aware of what their 673 00:35:05,396 --> 00:35:08,836 Speaker 2: kids need from them, and how you your spirit, how 674 00:35:08,836 --> 00:35:11,636 Speaker 2: you're bridging those gaps and you're giving them wisdom and 675 00:35:11,836 --> 00:35:15,196 Speaker 2: understanding so that they can tend, that they can cultivate, 676 00:35:15,236 --> 00:35:18,236 Speaker 2: that they can hold the hearts of their children in 677 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:19,716 Speaker 2: Jesus name that Amen. 678 00:35:20,196 --> 00:35:22,996 Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, Thanks so much for this Addison. This is 679 00:35:23,036 --> 00:35:24,956 Speaker 1: going to be one of those episodes that people will 680 00:35:24,996 --> 00:35:28,076 Speaker 1: come back to to listen again. Thank you so much. 681 00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,196 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed Today's conversation. I'd love to keep 682 00:35:33,196 --> 00:35:36,875 Speaker 1: in touch beyond this podcast. Click subscribe in the show 683 00:35:36,916 --> 00:35:39,476 Speaker 1: notes and I will give you my latest email to 684 00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:43,436 Speaker 1: keep up on what's happening with technology and kids. And 685 00:35:43,476 --> 00:35:46,316 Speaker 1: maybe you like reading or listening to books. I have 686 00:35:46,396 --> 00:35:49,116 Speaker 1: a lot of books. You could start with The Big Three, 687 00:35:49,556 --> 00:35:54,676 Speaker 1: Making Marriage Easier, Parents Rising, or Screen Kids. 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