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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm your host Rachel Adams,

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Speaker 2: author of every Day Priggers for Love, Learning to Love God, others,

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Speaker 2: and even yourself. Each week we dive into meaningful conversations

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Speaker 2: about how to live out the greatest commandment, loving God

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Speaker 2: with all of our heart's soul, mind and strength, and

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Speaker 2: loving our neighbors as ourselves, whether through inspiring stories, practical wisdom,

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Speaker 2: or biblical truth. My hope is to encourage you to

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Speaker 2: love boldly, live faithfully, and reflect God's love in your

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Speaker 2: everyday life. Today, I'm honored to welcome Rhonda Stoppy to

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Speaker 2: the show. Ronda is a best selling author, speaker, and

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Speaker 2: host of the podcast Old Ladies Know Stuff. With decades

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Speaker 2: of experience encouraging women in their faith and family. She

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Speaker 2: brings both wisdom and warmth to her newest book, Moms

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Speaker 2: of the Bible. Life Changing Lessons from the Fearless, flawed

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Speaker 2: and Faithful. In this encouraging resource, Rnda reminds us that

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Speaker 2: women of Scripture weren't perfect, but they were chosen shaped

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Speaker 2: and you by God, and just like them, we can

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Speaker 2: walk and grace, grow through our struggles, and faithfully influence

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Speaker 2: the next Generation. Well, Hello Rhonda, and welcome to The

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Speaker 2: Love Offering podcast. I'm so happy to have you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be with you. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on your show.

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Speaker 2: I shared with you right before we hit record. Motherhood

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Speaker 2: is I think my favorite role that I have and

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Speaker 2: I love getting to talk about it because I think

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Speaker 2: it's such an important job. So I'm excited about today's conversation.

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Speaker 2: Me too, Me too. Well, so tell us So I

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Speaker 2: have two children, a seventeen year old and a fifteen

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Speaker 2: year old, a boy and a girl. So we're right

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Speaker 2: in the midst of teenage stage, high school, driving all

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Speaker 2: of those things. Where are you and motherhood? Tell us

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Speaker 2: about your family.

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Speaker 1: I am in such a fun season. So I have

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Speaker 1: four adult children, all married to wonderful, precious, godly spouses.

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Speaker 1: I have fifteen grandchildren and that is where I am

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Speaker 1: just living the dream. We live on a ranch in California,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, USA, and God just kind

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Speaker 1: of worked it out at this season of our life

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Speaker 1: that nine of our grandkids actually live on our ranch,

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Speaker 1: or my daughter and her husband bought the ranch next

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Speaker 1: to us. So, like yesterday, I was on a bunch

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Speaker 1: of podcast interviews and then I just kind of hit

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Speaker 1: the wall. I was inside and I went out for

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I ended up in our meadow for

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Speaker 1: three hours, and the grandkids all came over in their

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Speaker 1: bicycles and my husband fixed their little quad they were riding,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, my daughter's like, we've been

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Speaker 1: out here for three hours. I'm like, have we really?

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Speaker 1: It's just a super fun season. Most of my grandkids

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Speaker 1: and it's super fun in that season also. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're living the dream. Steve and I've been married forty

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Speaker 1: five years. He just recently retired from being a senior

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Speaker 1: pastor at the same church. He was out for twenty

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Speaker 2: Well, you're living my dream. That sounds so ideal to me.

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Speaker 2: We live on a farm and I have there's a

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Speaker 2: and that's like my secret dream. That's like, Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: can have my grain. Maybe he's just come and visit

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Speaker 2: me anytime too. I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: You never ever, ever would have thought the Lord would

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Speaker 1: have done this, and it has just been such a joy.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet. Well, I am mindful today. You know,

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Speaker 2: you and I are both moms, but I'm mindful that

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Speaker 2: there are many women listening, that there are lots of

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Speaker 2: stories and journeys into motherhood, and there could even just

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Speaker 2: be somebody that is childless and hasn't been able to

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Speaker 2: about that, that there are so many different ways to

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Speaker 1: There are Our oldest son, Tony, didn't come to our

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Speaker 1: you meet a lot of kids that could benefit from

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's in the years that my husband and

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Speaker 1: children that God has just put into our life that

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Speaker 1: soon as I mentioned that what a gift when God

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Speaker 1: Infertility is painful. I have eight grandchildren in Heaven. I

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking experience. In my book Moms of the Bible, I

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Speaker 1: tightest two women. But as I wrote about that story,

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Speaker 1: then her son's marry. Women who worship the Moabite gods,

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Speaker 1: think of a more heart wrenching thing as a mother

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Speaker 1: when Naomi's sons both die. That's when she's like, that's it.

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Speaker 1: that's when Ruth says, no way. God will be my God,

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Speaker 1: trials just not about you. Sometimes that grievous loss you're enduring,

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Speaker 1: someone is watching you press into your God. When Jesus

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Speaker 1: What did Peter say? Where will we go? You have

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Speaker 1: the words of eternal life that sometimes shines brighter to

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Speaker 1: those that are watching you. It validates your faith in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for addressing that. And I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to continue today's conversation. But we're going to take a

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Speaker 2: brief break to hear a word from today's sponsor, and

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Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll talk about the real, raw

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Speaker 2: stories of Biblical mothers and how they still speak into

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Speaker 2: our lives. Today, welcome back. We are talking with Stuffy

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Speaker 2: about her book Moms of the Bible. In your book,

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Speaker 2: you highlight women from Scripture who are both faithful and flawed.

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Speaker 2: I love that because it's so relatable me on any

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Speaker 2: talk to us about why it's so important for us

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Speaker 2: to see the full picture of the lives instead of

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Speaker 2: just idealizing them.

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Speaker 1: What I love about scripture is how real and raw

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Speaker 1: I appointed them in their generation, for their time. And

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Speaker 1: the subtitle of moms of the Bible is fearless, flawed,

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Speaker 1: fearless was Rebecca. Remember when Abraham sent his servant to

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Speaker 1: And he goes back and brings this girl that she

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Speaker 1: then she gives birth and Jacob, her youngest one, hangs

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Speaker 2: take another brief break to hereward from our sponsor, and

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Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll talk about raising children with faith,

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Speaker 2: letting go of perfection, and embracing God's grace in everyday motherhood.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm talking with Rhonda Stoppy about her book

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Speaker 2: Moms of the Bible. So you have spent years encouraging

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Speaker 2: women to live a no regrets life. What does that

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Speaker 2: look like in the context of motherhood.

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Speaker 1: Mom guilt is a real thing, and sometimes it's regret

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Like this book starts out,

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Speaker 1: I'll be a better mom to mine. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lose my temper with them tomorrow. I'm gonna be fun,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna laugh with them, I'm gonna play with them

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Speaker 1: and then tomorrow is just has its own set of circumstances,

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Speaker 1: and we fall right into the same habits that we've

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Speaker 1: already had, and we go to bed with regret. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's regret over we talked earlier about some decision we made,

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Speaker 1: some choice we made in the past, and we just

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Speaker 1: beat ourselves up for it, and Satan just loves to

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Speaker 1: keep us stuck in regret. But the Lord says he

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Speaker 1: takes our sins as far as east is from the west,

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Speaker 1: and he says, I will remember them no more. God

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Speaker 1: says east from west, because east never meets west. If

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Speaker 1: he said north from south, well that meets north and

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Speaker 1: it starts going south east from west means he's never

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Speaker 1: gonna throw it in your face again. But it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you're gonna forget about it. I'm thinking of bath Sheba,

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Speaker 1: beth Sheba. She went willingly to have an affair with

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Speaker 1: King David. She was not coerced, and she had sex

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Speaker 1: with the king, and then went home and sent him

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Speaker 1: a message and said I'm pregnant. And she watched David

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Speaker 1: kill her husband by sending him into the battle on

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Speaker 1: all of those things, and then he brings her into

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Speaker 1: his home and pretends like everything's fine. And for a year,

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Speaker 1: David pretends to be this godly king and she just

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Speaker 1: steps right in step with being, you know, his princess,

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Speaker 1: his bride. And about a year later, Nathan the prophet

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Speaker 1: finally is like you are the man. And then David

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Speaker 1: breaks and he's like, oh, finally, you know. He talks

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Speaker 1: about how God just crushed the bones within him with

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Speaker 1: conviction and all of those things that were going on

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Speaker 1: while he was pretending to be something he's not. And

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Speaker 1: so often we do that in our Christian life, and

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Speaker 1: even as moms in front of our kids, we pretend

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Speaker 1: to be something we're not, and we know in our

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Speaker 1: heart we're resenting our spouse and my husband. I wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called The Marriage Mentor. I have an audiobook out.

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Speaker 1: If my husband would change, I'd be happy, and other myths.

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Speaker 1: Wives believe if you're not a big reader, that's a

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Speaker 1: great audiobook for you, And we beat our husbands up

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Speaker 1: in our minds, and their kids know that we're living

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Speaker 1: this life of hypocrisy. In eighteen years of youth ministry,

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Speaker 1: the number one thing that we saw drive kids away

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Speaker 1: from their parents' faith was hypocrisy in the Christian home.

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Speaker 1: But at that final breaking point, when he finally David repented,

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Speaker 1: he says, now I can teach sinners your way. Now

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Speaker 1: I can do the ministry God has called me to do.

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Speaker 1: And what happened. As soon as he repented, he went

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Speaker 1: into Bathsheba and God gave her Solomon, the next son

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Speaker 1: that would be the king of Israel. Because when God forgives,

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Speaker 1: he forgives to the utmost. He didn't say, well, I

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Speaker 1: was going to choose you for that bath Sheba, but

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Speaker 1: since you did what you did, now I got to

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Speaker 1: pick someone better. All through scripture he redeems, and he

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Speaker 1: shows how he redeems completely and still uses us for

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Speaker 1: his glory.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for that truth. So for the mom

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Speaker 2: today he feels really weary or overwhelmed or discouraged, what's

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Speaker 2: one simple step that she can take today to begin

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Speaker 2: walking in confidence and grace.

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Speaker 1: I think understanding that you have a role that God

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Speaker 1: has invited you to and what he calls us too,

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Speaker 1: he equips us to. And He has called us in

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Speaker 1: this generation to raise up the next generation of world changers.

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Speaker 1: And for some we're pro warriors, for some we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be teachers. For some think about this, who made the

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Speaker 1: lunch for the little boy that had the loaves and

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Speaker 1: fishes that Jesus turned to feed five thousand. You're weary.

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Speaker 1: I can remember one year I hated making school lunches anybody.

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Speaker 1: And there were years at homeschool and that was the

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Speaker 1: best thing about homeschooling was, you know, go get your

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Speaker 1: own lunch. I'm not doing it. But when my daughter's

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Speaker 1: husband now, but he was her boyfriend when they were

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Speaker 1: he was a senior in high school, his mom passed away,

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Speaker 1: and I made lunch for Kayla and a Stefan every

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Speaker 1: day that school year. I love that boy, and he

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Speaker 1: was new in his faith when his mom died. And

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Speaker 1: I always said, look at how we're watching someone who

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Speaker 1: might marry our daughter walk through such a painful experience

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Speaker 1: and still honor Christ and still tell people on campus

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Speaker 1: about Jesus. And I could make that boy lunch every day.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we're weary. I mean, what am I going to

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Speaker 1: make it? Come so tired of making the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They're tired of eating the same thing. What's in front

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Speaker 1: of you? And you don't know because God says he

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Speaker 1: takes our little and he will make much of our

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Speaker 1: little and honestly, I feel like that is where our

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Speaker 1: joy lies, because God says, the joy of the Lord

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Speaker 1: is our strength Neamiah eight ten. And we want to

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Speaker 1: link arms with other women who are running that race.

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Speaker 1: Jesus said, fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and

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Speaker 1: the finisher of your faith, and keep your eyes on him.

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Speaker 1: Set aside what so easily besets you, and run this

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Speaker 1: race that is set before you. You are a mom

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Speaker 1: with no name. You may never get the glory. There's

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Speaker 1: a whole section in the last chapter. It's called the

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Speaker 1: Mom's with no Name. My son was in the military.

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Speaker 1: He was a lieutenant colonel fighter pilot. When we were

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Speaker 1: on base, they saluted him like nobody's business. And nobody

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Speaker 1: even looked at me. And I wanted to say, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you my story. They don't care. But you

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Speaker 1: know what you're doing in your home, it's so much

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Speaker 1: more than just wiping boogers and bums all day long.

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Speaker 1: It is serving your children with the joy and letting them.

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Speaker 1: The Bible says a student will be like his teacher,

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Speaker 1: not preaching out them about faith all the time, but

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Speaker 1: living out your faith in the highs and lows coming

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Speaker 1: to them, asking forgiveness when you've blown it, because that

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Speaker 1: is the normal Christian life, forgiving others when you need to,

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Speaker 1: because forgiving people, raise for giving people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we're talking, I'm just thinking about so much

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Speaker 2: of what you have said is just very routine, very ordinary,

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Speaker 2: very mundane, and I think we can sometimes just get

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Speaker 2: lost in that, like none of this matters. But as

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Speaker 2: you've been sharing all these stories from the Bible, we

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Speaker 2: see how much it really does. And so that's where

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Speaker 2: what I'm taking away from today. We don't have to

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Speaker 2: do this perfectly, but just keep showing up, keep being present,

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Speaker 2: keep relying on the Lord, and stay faithful because what

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Speaker 2: we're doing is so significant. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: As women read this book, what is your hope that

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Speaker 2: happens in their lives and then their lives of their family?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? We're running this race. And you know, my son

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Speaker 1: was in the military and he was the head of

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Speaker 1: his unit. There was a woman in his unit who

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Speaker 1: always fell behind when they were running and they had

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Speaker 1: to get to a certain place at a certain time,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, I got to keep her in step.

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Speaker 1: So he would put his hand in the small of

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Speaker 1: When he pulled his hand away, she would fall behind.

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Speaker 1: And that's us when we're as moms running this race.

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Speaker 1: We've got our eyes on Jesus. We know the end

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Speaker 1: goal is to guide our children toward their purpose and passion,

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Speaker 1: toward loving Christ with all their heart, soul, mind, and drink.

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Speaker 1: That's what we want for our own lives, is to

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Speaker 1: love God so much that our kids cannot ignore our

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Speaker 1: faith because of our adoration for our God. And we

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Speaker 1: stumble and we falter, and that's where we put our

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Speaker 1: hand in the small of the back of someone who's running.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm an older woman. I'll be sixty five

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Speaker 1: years old next week. I'm like, can, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell my age because not many people get to

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Speaker 1: live to be an old woman and to enjoy their grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put my hand in the small of

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Speaker 1: your back. I'm going to when I falter, I want

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Speaker 1: someone to pick me up and run alongside of me.

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Speaker 1: So let me read this final exhortation from moms of

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Speaker 1: the Bible. From the beginning, God established mothers as the

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Speaker 1: first teachers a biblical truth to their children. Moms are

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Speaker 1: the makers of a future generation of godly men and women.

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Speaker 1: This is your time in history. God is calling you

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Speaker 1: to set aside whatever distracts you from this blessed ministry

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Speaker 1: of motherhood. Link your arms with other like minded women

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Speaker 1: who will run this race alongside of you, cheering you

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Speaker 1: on in your successes and picking you up when you falter.

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Speaker 2: So good, that's such a great tease, and we all

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Speaker 2: need to go grab a copy of your book. But

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, this season, I have been

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Speaker 2: asking all of my guests, is there a biblical concept

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Speaker 2: of love that you think applies to this topic today?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? When the religious leaders of the day ask Jesus

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Speaker 1: what is protos? What is the priority of life? Mark

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Speaker 1: chapter twelve. It's in several of the gospels and his

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Speaker 1: response is not light a candle, chanta mantra, do good deeds,

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Speaker 1: make a potluck dinner. His response was all in love

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Speaker 1: with God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength.

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Speaker 1: You must It's not optional. You must love the Lord

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Speaker 1: with all your heart, soul, mind, and strinth. That's your

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Speaker 1: whole being. Your heart is your emotions, your soul is

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Speaker 1: what makes you who you are. Your mind is your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: and your strength is with what you do. We jump

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Speaker 1: to God, I'm going to show you how much I

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Speaker 1: love you by what I do. And God's like, slow down, Skippy,

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Speaker 1: you can't do enough to show me your love. I

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Speaker 1: can do through you way more if you fall in

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Speaker 1: love with me. Jesus said, the second commandment is to

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Speaker 1: love your neighbor as yourself. I cannot love my husband,

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Speaker 1: or my children or those around me with God's a

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Speaker 1: gop a selfless love without partiality, unless my love for

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Speaker 1: God is right. Do I love God perfectly? Absolutely not?

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Speaker 1: Do I ask him every day to help grow my

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Speaker 1: love for him? I do. I remember when I would

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Speaker 1: meet someone who was in love with God and I

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Speaker 1: would be like, I don't love him like that. I

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Speaker 1: want to, until I finally the Bible says you have

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Speaker 1: not because you ask not. And I finally came to

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Speaker 1: a place where it's like God, you and I both

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Speaker 1: know I love you for what I can get out

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Speaker 1: of you. I was raised with a I prosperity doctrine mindset,

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Speaker 1: so it was like, you know, I'm going to love

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Speaker 1: you so I can be healthy, wealthy, and prosperous. And

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Speaker 1: God's like time out. Have you read the Bible? But

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Speaker 1: I knew that I needed him to give me the

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Speaker 1: want to It's God who works in you to will

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Speaker 1: and to do his good pleasure. So I'm like God,

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Speaker 1: I want to love you like that? But will you

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Speaker 1: give me the desire? And will you give me the

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Speaker 1: ability to love you like that? Those are the prayers

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Speaker 1: God wants to answer. The Bible says, if you ask

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Speaker 1: anything in his name, he will do it, and that

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Speaker 1: means in his name, according to his will. I knew

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Speaker 1: I was praying according to his will. How do you

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Speaker 1: fall in love with God? You don't just sit there

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Speaker 1: and try harder. You get in the pages of Scripture.

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Speaker 1: You open your Bible, all those stories, those biblical accounts

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Speaker 1: of women in Scripture. As you're reading in this book

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Speaker 1: as well as in the Bible, God's revealing his character. Hagar,

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Speaker 1: I am the God who hears. I am the God

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Speaker 1: who sees. I am the God who heals. I am Jehovah, Nissi,

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Speaker 1: the Lord your banner. I am the God who provides.

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Speaker 1: God doesn't say blindly fall in love with me. He says,

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Speaker 1: this is who I am. Fall in love with who

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Speaker 1: I've revealed myself to be through the pages of Scripture,

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Speaker 1: and then as you fall more in love with me,

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Speaker 1: I will love others with your heart in my heart,

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Speaker 1: and the agape love will spill out, and you will

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Speaker 1: find it's not hard. Jesus said, my yoke is easy

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Speaker 1: and my burden is light. When we make it hard,

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Speaker 1: it's because we're not centered in Falling more and more

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Speaker 1: in love with our Lord. Doesn't mean the Christian life

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Speaker 1: is always easy. I have lots of stories in this

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Speaker 1: book that you will find that there were hard, very

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Speaker 1: difficult seasons, but in the end coming back to falling

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Speaker 1: protos priority of life, then I can know that's the

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Speaker 1: priority of my life as well. And I believe that

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Speaker 1: if Jesus said that, the student will be like his teacher.

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Speaker 1: If you want your teacher to teach your kids how

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Speaker 1: to love God, they have to see you loving God

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Speaker 1: my mom. My kids will say, Mom's a little bit crazy,

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Speaker 1: but she loves Jesus and she loves people, and I'm

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Speaker 1: okay with that.

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Speaker 2: M oh, I hope that mine would say the same thing. Well,

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Speaker 2: So Ronda, tell us something that you are loving right now?

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Speaker 1: Well, I am loving being a grandma and it is

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Speaker 1: just a fun season. The oldest two granddaughters, Caris just

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Speaker 1: turned sixteen learning to drive, and I have another one

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Speaker 1: in Hawaii that will soon be sixteen. That's a fun

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Speaker 1: season because I've had so many grandkids that have been

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Speaker 1: so little for so long, and I'm gone to dance

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Speaker 1: recitals and you know, all the fun stuff and my

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Speaker 1: house on my word. Okay, so we live in the

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Speaker 1: country and I told you that. And now that my

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Speaker 1: husband is retired, he is like, he's to shepherd people.

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Speaker 1: Now he's shepherding animals. His goat just had triplets. He

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Speaker 1: could not be more excited. The grandkids are excited, although

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Speaker 1: he is going to milk the goat, and my one

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Speaker 1: granddaughter he gives them sugar cereal on Saturday mornings. And

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Speaker 1: my one granddaughter's like, Nana, can you please not let

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Speaker 1: pop up put goat milk on my sugar thrill.

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Speaker 2: I got your girl.

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Speaker 1: I don't want it on mine either, I gotcha. But

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a new season watching Caros and Kelsey

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Speaker 1: had teen grandchildren, and it's fun to just listen to

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Speaker 1: what they want to talk to me about. Just the

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Speaker 1: other day, I was at Meredith's house waiting for them

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Speaker 1: to come home. They live in a town twenty two

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Speaker 1: miles down the mountain from where our ranches, so for

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Speaker 1: four granddaughters live in that house. And I was waiting

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Speaker 1: for them to come home from Karas's head softball practice.

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Speaker 1: And she gets out of the car and she's gathering

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Speaker 1: her baseball bat and her balls and her this under that,

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Speaker 1: and the other littles are getting up Nana and given

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Speaker 1: me a hug. But Kars has her eyes on me,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, Nana, I got to tell you about

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Speaker 3: And I don't even know why that's making me cry,

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Speaker 3: but it's like, yes, tell me about your day, and

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Speaker 3: she's going to tell me all the things.

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Speaker 1: How precious to have built a relationship with her from

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Speaker 1: the time she was little, and she didn't always live

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Speaker 1: near us. Her mom and dad lived on campus at

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Speaker 1: She was literally in a princess dress every day and

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Speaker 1: the guys totally treated her like the princess of the castle.

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Speaker 1: But I would go at least once a month to

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Speaker 1: be with her because it was long distance and I

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Speaker 1: flew to Hawaii by myself. Becau Steve couldn't go to

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Speaker 1: be with my grandkids because I'm like, I haven't. They

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Speaker 1: didn't come home for Christmas. I gotta go see them.

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Speaker 1: But it's a fun new season, that teenage season where

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh my goodness, Kars, you have only two

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Speaker 1: more years of high school left. What are you going

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Speaker 1: to do? I don't even know if I want to

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Speaker 1: go to college. Well let's look at some colleges.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk talk about you know, it's a new season,

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Speaker 3: so sorry, I know I talked way too long about that,

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Speaker 3: but it's just been super fun, a new season of parenting,

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Speaker 3: watching getting ready to see these two young women launch

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Speaker 3: and talking about makeup and all the fun things that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a blast.

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Speaker 2: They call you nana. Is that what you said?

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Speaker 1: Yes, they do, And honestly, that's the fun story that

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Speaker 1: Cares called me gramma and Kelsey called me gramma, and

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Speaker 1: then Ivy was born with a cleft palate and a

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Speaker 1: cleft lip, and she started calling me Nana and they

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Speaker 1: just all fell right in line. So I've been Nana

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Speaker 1: ever since.

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Speaker 2: They're like Nana knows stuff, and Nana makes us feel loved.

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Speaker 2: I can tell the intentionality that you're making them a priority,

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Speaker 2: and that's what it takes. It's so beautiful and inspiring

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Speaker 2: to me as somebody a generation behind, you know, like

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Speaker 2: a couple of decades behind. So I love that so much. Ronda, Well,

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Speaker 2: I would just love to stay connected with you. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure listeners would like to. And when I've purchase a

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Speaker 2: copy of your book and listen to your podcast and

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Speaker 2: all the things, so tell us how we can best

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: So if you go to my website, No Regrets Woman

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Speaker 1: dot com, you can find all the things my social

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Speaker 1: media I do hang out on Instagram is where you'll

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Speaker 1: mostly find me, and that's where I post where I'm speaking.

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Speaker 1: If you want me to come speak at a thing,

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Speaker 1: let me know. I'm booking my fall calendar right now.

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Speaker 1: But No Regrets Woman dot com. And on that homepage,

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Speaker 1: because I know a lot of you never get past

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Speaker 1: the homepage, there's a video of my son Brandon and

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Speaker 1: I on Focus on the Family. It was their best

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Speaker 1: of episode. I have a book out called Moms Raising

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Speaker 1: Sons to Be Men, and Brandon and I were on

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Speaker 1: an episode, and Brandon's a worship pastor, can be any

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Speaker 1: more different than my son, who's a fighter pilot, And

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Speaker 1: he talks about what it's like when your adolescent son

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Speaker 1: starts pushing you away, and how a mom can launch

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Speaker 1: her son into adults. So you'd probably get a lot

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Speaker 1: out of that, and that one's I just love that episode.

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Speaker 1: And Brandon is just so he's like mom, he's a

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Speaker 1: musician news I don't think that fast when they ask questions,

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Speaker 1: but he did so great and they were so so

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Speaker 1: gracious with him on that show. What else is on there? Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's a video on the homepage becoming the Mom you

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Speaker 1: Meant to Be and I spoke at a homeschool convention

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Speaker 1: in Seattle on that topic. And you can watch that

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Speaker 1: video for free. And it talks a sweet story about

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Speaker 1: my mother in law, Eleanor. I don't have time to

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Speaker 1: tell it, but you'll hear it in that video and

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Speaker 1: you can watch it share it. There's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of resources and old ladies no stuff, subscribe to my

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Speaker 1: podcast and stay connected.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll be sure to include all of these

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Speaker 2: home things.

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Speaker 1: If you go to my website No Regrets Woman dot com,

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Speaker 1: sorry you will, a pop up will come up and

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Speaker 1: you can get the first chapter of Moms in the

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Speaker 1: Bible for free, and it makes you subscribe to my newsletter.

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Speaker 1: But I promise you I send it out once a month.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just as busy as you are. I don't

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Speaker 1: have time to send it out as much as you

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Speaker 1: don't have time to read it. And I usually just

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Speaker 1: put a link to an episode I've been on on

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Speaker 1: someone's show, or a newsletter that I've written one article

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Speaker 1: for I write for Focus on the Family and Crosswalk.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh wonderful. I'll include all those links in the

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Speaker 2: show notes. But as we close, would you pray for us?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to. Holy Father, it's so easy

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Speaker 1: to lose sight of the sacred calling, the ministry of

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Speaker 1: motherhood to which you have called us. It is so

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Speaker 1: easy to just get lost in the mundane of doing

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Speaker 1: all the things. And Father, I know that for some

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Speaker 1: that are listening, it's just being controlling. And we try

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Speaker 1: to control our kids because we think our success comes

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Speaker 1: out in how well they turn out. Father God, our

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Speaker 1: success is in how well we follow you. I pray

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Speaker 1: if we leave with anything today, that we wouldn't leave

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Speaker 1: with a list of how to be a better mom,

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Speaker 1: but we would leave with a wooing of our soul

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Speaker 1: from your holy Spirit, to fall more in love with you,

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Speaker 1: to seek first to your kingdom and your righteousness, to

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Speaker 1: steal away moments with you, to put down our phones

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Speaker 1: and stop scrolling, and just spend time in your word

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Speaker 1: as you reveal your characters, so we can fall more

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Speaker 1: and more in love with you. Father. Let it be

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Speaker 1: said of us by the children, represented by those that

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Speaker 1: will hear this episode. Let it be said of us

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Speaker 1: that we loved Jesus with all of our being, and

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Speaker 1: because of that, he loved others through us in a

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Speaker 1: way that was so heless. I pray Father, that this

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Speaker 1: episode would go far and wide to uplift and encourage.

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Speaker 1: Father God, I pray that you would do exceedingly and

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Speaker 1: abundantly above all we could even ask or imagine through

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Speaker 1: these words that we shared today in Jesus name.

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Speaker 2: Ay Man, Rhonda, thank you You've encouraged me and just

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Speaker 2: journey as a woman, I think and as a mom,

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for joining us today my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Love Offering Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I hope today's conversation reminded you that God doesn't call

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Speaker 2: perfect moms. He calls willing hearts, and in his grace

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Speaker 2: he equips us to love, lead, and leave a legacy

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Speaker 2: of faith in the lives of those we've been entrusted with.

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Speaker 2: If you've enjoyed this episode, please share it with a

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Speaker 2: friend and leaver of you. It helps others find the

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Speaker 2: show and spreads the message of love even further. To

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Speaker 2: connect with me, visit me on my website at Rachelcadams

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Speaker 2: dot com, where you can download the Motherhood Devotional, a

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Speaker 2: free resource to encourage you in your role as a mom.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to check out Moms of the Bible, Life

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Speaker 2: changing Lessons from the Fearless, Flawed and Faithful by Ron

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