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Speaker 2: Somewhere in the bowels of the City that Never sleeps.

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Salem Media.

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Speaker 3: Is a man also not sleeping. That's the color, and

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Speaker 5: Everything you need to know about the top headlines of

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Speaker 5: the day and a perspective that will give you some

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Speaker 5: eternity to it, plus practical tips for family life, spiritual life.

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Speaker 2: And good old regular life.

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Speaker 5: It's McCullough Monday through Friday on That Kevin Show and

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Speaker 5: now from the Connors and Sullivan Broadcast Studios. The man

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Speaker 5: who is not what he wants to be, but is

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Speaker 5: way grateful that is not who he used to be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome in Kevin mckella, That Kevin Show. Thrilled to

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Speaker 2: have you with us. And as this very special week

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Speaker 2: denotes on my calendar, these days are extremely special to me.

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Speaker 2: This year, kind of coinciding with Holy Week, we have

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Speaker 2: spring breaks, so the kids are home and you know,

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Speaker 2: trying to be more family busy, but but Jesus focused.

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Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be. It's gonna be a fun week,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you're here to share it with us.

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Speaker 2: I did not expect this last night. Uh little self confession.

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Speaker 2: Those of you that have listened to me on the

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Speaker 2: weekends for a long time have known a little bit

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Speaker 2: about this. But I am kind of an American idol geek.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Don't judge me. It's it's a it's a very my

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Speaker 2: My lovely bride is rolling her eyes right now. She's Uh,

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Speaker 2: that just can't be, she says, in her way of thinking.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Uh, my daughter loves to sing. I'm

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Speaker 2: part of music groups. I serve on Worship Team tea collective.

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Speaker 2: Is my People, the Dream and Color Orchestra of my People.

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Speaker 2: I commiserate with past Grammy nominees who did not win

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Speaker 2: the award, and I have celebrated with Grammy winners who have.

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Speaker 2: I ran the biggest music network in Christian inspirational radio

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Speaker 2: when I was at Moody Broadcasting for a few years.

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Speaker 2: So there's there's just a lot of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: there's just a lot of music in my blood. I

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Speaker 2: just love the music. So American Idol I've always kind

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Speaker 2: of thought it was kind of interesting to see the stories.

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Speaker 2: It's really a TV show about these people. It's not

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Speaker 2: a hit making show. But there have been some that

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Speaker 2: have broken out. Carrie Underwood an example of that. But

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Speaker 2: something unusual happened last night when my daughter and I

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Speaker 2: sat down to watch this, and we have to sit

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Speaker 2: down and watch it with my lovely bride just belligerently

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Speaker 2: commentating throughout the whole thing, while my daughter and I

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Speaker 2: are trying to hear the performances and cast our votes

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Speaker 2: for the people that we think did well. And something

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Speaker 2: unusual happened last night. It wasn't subtle or coded, and

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Speaker 2: wasn't softened for broader appeal. They called it American Idol's

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Speaker 2: Night of Faith, and millions of Americans didn't just hear

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Speaker 2: the voices of the contestants. They heard the gospel out loud, unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: In a cultural moment where belief is often pushed to

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was accidental. Contestants chose songs that

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Speaker 2: have carried truth for a long time. Carrie Underwood closed

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Speaker 2: the show with a performance of How Great Thou Art

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Speaker 2: with singers from last year's cast. And this is the

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Speaker 2: thing when you have someone stand up and sing Hallylujah

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Speaker 2: from Brandon Lake, when you have someone singing what else?

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Speaker 1: What else?

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Speaker 2: Was one of the songs. And then the one that

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Speaker 2: I voted for is a girl named Hannah Harper who's

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Speaker 2: kind of an Appalachian musician. She kind of does folk

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Speaker 2: and country music. Her her family are all musicians. So

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Speaker 2: And she did a song last night that talked about

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Speaker 2: that for a second. I think that Lionel Ritchie and

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Speaker 2: but they all speak about prayer. They all speak about church.

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Speaker 2: They all speak about knowing the Lord. The evening opened

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Speaker 2: then Carrie seeings how great that are. Now I've known

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Speaker 2: I think that the church that she attends, actually she

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Speaker 2: sometimes is part of the worship team. And there were

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Speaker 2: kids that did Night of Faith songs that weren't faith

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Speaker 2: like someone did John Lennon's imagine that is not a

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Speaker 2: faith song. That is not a Jesus song. There's no God.

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Speaker 2: That imagine. If there's a heaven, I imagine there's no heaven. Rather,

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Speaker 2: it's easy if you try. I don't think John Lennon

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Speaker 2: was talking about the biblical understanding of scripture. But last

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Speaker 2: night there were a lot of contestants that when others

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Speaker 2: were singing the worship songs, they were standing with their

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Speaker 2: of turned into a worship service. Now, I don't expect

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Speaker 2: that that's gonna happen another time this season. I know

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Speaker 2: it won't. They have these theme nights that just happened

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Speaker 2: night's on Holy Week, which I've found interesting. I know

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Speaker 2: that ABC see programming heads are sitting in the executive suites,

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Speaker 2: and they've had the opportunity in the past to do

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Speaker 2: this before on Holy Week and they've declined. But I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of the kids that end up auditioning

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Speaker 2: for this show happened to come from faith backgrounds. A

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Speaker 2: lot of them serve in the church, and I think

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Speaker 2: that when you have the obvious substance of that in

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Speaker 2: people's lives, I think that the culture has to notice.

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Speaker 2: And several I believe, of those that are there this

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Speaker 2: their relationship with God. And there they were to's hanging

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Speaker 2: saying nothing but the blood of Jesus, What can wash

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Speaker 2: away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. She

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Speaker 2: did the whole song. It was incredible. The gospel was

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Speaker 2: doesn't have the audience it used to. I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: when you have an opportunity to present the invitation such

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Speaker 2: stabbed me right through the heart. How many of us,

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Speaker 2: less intimidating stage to give the invitation. The cross is uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: A horrendous price was paid for you and me because

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Speaker 2: kind of happen. Gavin mccallach coming back, asking how.

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Speaker 6: He is from New York that Kevin Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Kevin McCullough. Glad to have you

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Speaker 2: with us. It's a busy week. In some ways it

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Speaker 2: for our family this week, and of course Holy Week

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Speaker 2: coinciding with that, it becomes a kind of a logistical

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Speaker 2: quick question, have you gotten your watch kit for this

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Speaker 2: get the trailer, the link for the full length film,

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Speaker 2: and the study questions for Heaven. How I got here?

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Speaker 2: The story of the Thief on the Cross, and just

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Speaker 2: plan on not only watching it for yourself, but inviting

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Speaker 2: have maybe some substantive conversation about what it means to

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Speaker 2: really understand and follow Jesus in the way that he

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Speaker 2: himself reveals in this story. Yesterday we looked at the

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Speaker 2: a realization as he was on the cross that he

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Speaker 2: And because of that realization, today we see a different

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Speaker 2: and in those moments, something unthinkable happens. The thief speaks

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Speaker 2: has left. Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us?

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Speaker 2: He says. It's desperate and bitter and angry. It's also

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Speaker 2: revealing because even at the edge of death, one man

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Speaker 2: still wants God to prove himself on his conditions. Do

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Speaker 2: It's a demand, and if we're honest, it sounds a

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Speaker 2: lot like us. How many times have we prayed like that?

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Speaker 2: If you're real, fix this God, if you care, change

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Speaker 2: that God, if you're listening, prove it. We don't want transformation,

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Speaker 2: We want escape. We don't want surrender. We want relief.

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Speaker 2: But the second thief, the one who has already admitted

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Speaker 2: with what little strength he has left, he turns and

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Speaker 2: rebulds the other man. Don't you fear God, he says,

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Speaker 2: since you are under the same sentence, in other words,

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Speaker 2: do you not see what's happening here? Do you not

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Speaker 2: understand who you're talking to? And then the thief does

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Speaker 2: something that changes everything. He turns his head towards Jesus

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Speaker 2: and he asks a question. No, not a question, He

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Speaker 2: makes a plea Luke twenty three, verse forty two, puts it, Jesus,

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Speaker 2: remember me when you come into your kingdom. That's it.

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Speaker 2: No speech, no polished prayer, no list of promises about

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Speaker 2: are they really loyal to what America stands for? Do

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Speaker 2: our ecumenical view towards faith? We let all faiths practice.

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Speaker 2: What if your faith says know your faith only and

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Speaker 2: we kill all the infidels? Like, there's so fealty too.

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Speaker 2: I think American ideas is something that most normal American

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Speaker 2: citizens would assume that they want immigrants to come into

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Speaker 8: Right, and in fact, in Europe, when they hear that

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Speaker 8: the United States allows for non citizens who have babies

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Speaker 8: here to have their kids be a citizen and the kid,

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Speaker 8: the infant, sponsor their parents for citizenship or lawful permanent residents,

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Speaker 8: they shake their head like, we don't do that in

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Speaker 8: this country. And it is a unique concept. It is

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Speaker 8: one that has evolved over the centuries. Here we're celebrating

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Speaker 8: our two fiftieth this year. The people who say that

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Speaker 8: Trump's executive order is unconstitutional and birthright citizenship is baked

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Speaker 8: case called Wong kim arc say that three times Fast

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Speaker 8: stood for the proposition that illegal aliens. These were Chinese

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Speaker 8: immigrants in San Francisco who had a baby. The court

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Speaker 8: said that that baby was an American citizen. What they

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Speaker 8: allied over is the fact that those parents actually had

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Speaker 8: lawful status.

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Speaker 6: In the United States.

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Speaker 8: They were not elite in the United States when they

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Speaker 8: had that baby, and the government points that out in

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Speaker 8: their brief. The other point, which I think you're alluding to,

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Speaker 8: is the fact that this creates a magnet. This policy

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Speaker 8: of recognizing birthright citizenship regardless of your immigration status, creates

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Speaker 8: a draw towards folks coming to the United States to

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Speaker 8: have babies. We know birth tourism is a real thing,

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Speaker 8: and so the stakes are very high. The one thing

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Speaker 8: I would point out is when the judge, the district

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Speaker 8: court judge certified the class of individuals who had standing

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Speaker 8: to sue, he certified the class and limited to babies

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Speaker 8: born after February twentieth, twenty twenty five. So if the

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Speaker 8: court is inclined to agree with the executive order and

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Speaker 8: ban birthright citizenship, my guess is they would say it

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Speaker 8: applies from babies born after February twenty twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 8: not retrospectively.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and that would open up a whole different

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Speaker 2: can of worms in terms of immigration enforcement and going

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Speaker 2: back and deciphering all that. Cully, You've watched the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court for a long time. Do you think the government

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Speaker 2: has prepared a strong case here? Do you feel like

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Speaker 2: that their arguments are sturdy?

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Speaker 8: I think they're compelling arguments on both sides. I think

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Speaker 8: the greater weight of the evidence, in terms of practice,

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Speaker 8: history and tradition, is to recognize birthright citizenship. That's what

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Speaker 8: the government's been doing for most of our country's history.

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Speaker 8: And when I first heard my colleague here in the

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Speaker 8: Legal Center talk about this and then start writing about

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Speaker 8: it in twenty eighteen nineteen, I thought it was sort

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Speaker 8: of a fringe idea, But then she developed some really good.

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Speaker 1: Scholarship.

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Speaker 8: Others dug into the Bates in eighteen sixty eight when

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Speaker 8: the fourteenth Amendment was passed. They got into the actual

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Speaker 8: records of the back and forth between the Senators and

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Speaker 8: the congress men at the time, And so I think

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Speaker 8: both sides have a compelling argument. I never am in

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Speaker 8: the business of predicting how the courts come come.

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Speaker 2: Out well, it's obviously the Supreme Court justices felt it

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Speaker 2: was compelling too, because they agreed to hear it, and

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Speaker 2: now they are this week. They will be hearing the

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Speaker 2: arguments tomorrow and we will follow up on when do

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Speaker 2: we expect the ruling sometime in June July.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they typically saved the blockbusters for the end before

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Speaker 8: they skidadle out.

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Speaker 2: Of town, right exactly. All right, Calley Stimpson from the

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Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation, thank you for all your work.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Calvin mcaullach coming right back from New York and jok.

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Speaker 4: Away's stick around for more of that Kevin next.

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Speaker 6: And serving it up. That's a no drink minimal.

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Speaker 1: It's that Kendin show.

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Speaker 2: All right, final a few minutes of the first hour.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. And as we continue

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Speaker 2: to have that special focus on Holy Week all five

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Speaker 2: days this week, we're going to be looking at the

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Speaker 2: thief on the Cross. We're going to be talking about

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Speaker 2: some of the big concepts of what the claims of

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Speaker 2: Christianity are. And in the next hour we've got a

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Speaker 2: very special treat for you. Dan Butafuco, a big personal

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Speaker 2: entry lawyer in the New York area, but who also

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Speaker 2: happens to be trained in biblical apologetics, is going to

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Speaker 2: spend some time with us today to talk about defending

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Speaker 2: the faith at this Holy Week season, So stick around

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Speaker 2: for that. That's going to be a great conversation in

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Speaker 2: the next hour. But as I'm doing this week, we're

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Speaker 2: going to feature some good Easter hymns and songs as

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Speaker 2: we go through. Here's the gettys. All my boast in Jesus,

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Speaker 2: take it with you, reflect on these. It's that Kevin show.

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Speaker 9: Oh wonders, what love is this? The Christ would dive

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Speaker 9: for me his goodness, his marry, his righteousness. The siners

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Speaker 9: only please, oh fool the scrap be crusifac good is fish.

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Speaker 7: All my posts in Gesus, all my busies love, and

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Speaker 7: I will go grief it in what the Cross has done,

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Speaker 7: not before getting my dificles with graces and desert.

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Speaker 9: Oh mercy that fall down, not say grateful, Let praise return.

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Speaker 6: Rastle muscle and marastal.

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Speaker 1: Is homa host is.

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Speaker 7: In Jaesus o my bus's love, and.

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Speaker 6: I will glory for it in what the Cross has done.

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Speaker 2: Looks the one for.

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Speaker 7: Blest him alone to will boast hing less than the love.

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Speaker 9: Of christmle.

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Speaker 7: Prist Fba, bless him a lot for the boast head.

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Speaker 9: Thingless of cross post noting riches in strangth on my

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Speaker 9: but in the grace of God our glory in weakness

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Speaker 9: to live is Christ in plentior in want the man

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Speaker 9: all may see he is pal.

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Speaker 1: Me.

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Speaker 7: All my boast is in Jus.

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Speaker 1: On my busy head will glory for the cross st.

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Speaker 9: Nostanously solenis.

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Speaker 4: Oh and watching.

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Speaker 7: Beaches Jesus true sees Jesus, trusses Jesus.

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Speaker 2: All right, that is the music of Keith and Christ Getty.

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Speaker 2: All my boast is in Jesus. So we'll have something

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Speaker 2: else for you at the end of the next hour.

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Speaker 2: But we're just turning our thoughts, turning our hearts, turning

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Speaker 2: our reflections to a God is so good, who gave

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Speaker 2: everything so that we could know him and be with him.

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Speaker 2: A great hope for all eternity is to know Jesus

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Speaker 2: and to know him personally. Kevin McCulloch I'm right back

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Sailing Media.

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Speaker 3: Because a man also not sleep from the Color and

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Speaker 3: that guy would like a word with you.

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Speaker 4: Many of you know him from as Vooks for Damas.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that Kevin Show is going to be great.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that can be greater, of course, would

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Speaker 1: be that Donald Show, but we don't have that.

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Speaker 5: So we have That Kevin Show featuring the music of

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Speaker 5: Dick Tunny and the Dream in Color Orchestraw.

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Speaker 1: Straight ahead.

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Speaker 5: Everything you need to know about the tough headlines of

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Speaker 5: the day and a perspective that will give you some

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Speaker 5: externity to it, plus practical tips for family life, spiritual life,

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Speaker 5: and good old regular life. It's Kevin McCollough Monday through

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Speaker 5: Friday on That Heaven Show and now from the Connors

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Speaker 5: in Sullivan Broadcast Studio. The man who is not what

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Speaker 5: he wants to be, but is way grateful that is

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Speaker 5: not who he used to be.

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Speaker 2: Here Welcome Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: It is that Kevin Show from Times Square. We always

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Speaker 2: enjoy having you with us and so grateful. I talked

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Speaker 2: a little bit about it in our one today. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you caught the end of American Idol

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 10: Had the Cross said the Cross? I Suder my life. Hummy, hummy, geez.

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Speaker 11: All right, that was that was that was with such

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Speaker 11: a purity that it was fantastic. Listen, let me tell

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Speaker 11: you something right now is going to boil down to

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Speaker 11: just uniqueness of style because the talent is across the board.

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Speaker 11: That was so spectacling in terms of you are delivery

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Speaker 11: your voice. Just understand going forward, give it more of

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Speaker 11: everything you have?

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Speaker 1: All right, love that performance. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean from the beginning you've been one of my

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Speaker 2: absolute favorites. I loved your version of that. I could

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Speaker 2: feel your heart in it and I was right there

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It was it was just perfection

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Speaker 1: to me. It wrote me in you.

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Speaker 5: Everything about that just I totally bought into it heart,

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Speaker 5: mind and soul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to go where to go? Isulations good job?

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Speaker 6: So you close your.

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Speaker 1: Shows with that song knowing with a family.

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Speaker 2: What was special about the performance of that song?

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Speaker 1: Here tonight your family is here as well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: An opportunity to give an invitation on this platform is incredible.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear what she said? That's Hannah Harper. The invitation,

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Speaker 2: the ability to give an invitation on a platform of

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Speaker 2: this size is incredible. Her family was standing up worshiping

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Speaker 2: the whole time that she was singing. I'm not super

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Speaker 2: familiar with that song. I think I've only heard it

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Speaker 2: a couple of times. But Kevin mccallough glad you're with us.

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Speaker 2: That's Hannah Harper. She's a contestant, a current contestant on

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Speaker 2: American Idol. And they had Faith Night last night. They

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Speaker 2: had songs of faith. Lionel Ritchie sang one to open

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Speaker 2: the song called Jesus's Love, Luke Bryant sang it with him.

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Speaker 2: Carrie closed it out singing, how great Thou Art, And

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Speaker 2: next round, the majority of them saying, actually, prey recognizable

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Speaker 2: gospel centric Christian songs. There was one that's sang John

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Speaker 2: Lennon's imagine it's not a faith song. Well maybe the

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Speaker 2: faith in completely defunct Marxist worldview, but not a song

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Speaker 2: that brings people closer to Jesus. And there were a

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Speaker 2: lot that did. A lot that did last night, which

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Speaker 2: to sign off on a decision to have a night

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Speaker 2: out and make it an invitation for people to trust Jesus.

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Speaker 2: At least they ran the risk of it. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure it makes up for any of the Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 2: nonsense from the last several years. Letting young people sing

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Speaker 2: about Jesus on the stage to America last night, to

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Speaker 2: several million people who were watching, I think is a

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Speaker 2: really good thing, and I'm not going to apologize for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what you think about Idle. You may

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Speaker 2: think it's karaoke, or it's not as good as it

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Speaker 2: used to be, or whatever else. Look on some level,

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Speaker 2: Luke Bryant, Carrie Underwood, Lionel Ritchie, they've all at some point,

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Speaker 2: on some level, to some degree, expressed a belief in Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any of them are real or not.

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Speaker 2: But if you tell me you love the Jesus of

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Speaker 2: the Bible, that you've trusted him, that you're going to

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Speaker 2: follow him because he paid the ultimate price to rescue

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Speaker 2: you from sin and death, I still won't know if

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Speaker 2: it's real or not. I don't have a way of

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Speaker 2: seeing into your heart. I can only take you at

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Speaker 2: your word. But in a day and age in which

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Speaker 2: you know, we've had court cases and progressives and for

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Speaker 2: so many years tell us that you can't have faith

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Speaker 2: in public life, and there's no there's no room for that.

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Speaker 2: And all the incredibly hideous material coming out of Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: tearing down the family, tearing down God's plan for human sexuality,

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Speaker 2: tearing down God's plan for what is normal, for what

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Speaker 2: is just healthy humanity, tearing down God's plan in so

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Speaker 2: many different ways. When somebody decides to do this on

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Speaker 2: this level, we gotta say thank you. Doesn't solve all

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Speaker 2: the ills, of all the things, of all the problems.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for it too, but I've been convicted

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Speaker 2: about this over the last twenty four hours. I watched

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Speaker 2: Hannah sing last night, and I was thinking, in my

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Speaker 2: own head, how many not just my platform, but how

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Speaker 2: many times do I use the platform I have in

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Speaker 2: people's lives. The lady who waits at us at our

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Speaker 2: favorite restaurant, the guy who puts the gas in my

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Speaker 2: to allow them to do that. We can't pump your

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Speaker 2: own gas in my state, the parents of the friends

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Speaker 2: of my kids. We don't go to sheltered Christian bubble schools.

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Speaker 2: With nothing wrong with Christian education. I love Christian education.

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Speaker 2: But if God has us bumping up against and running

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Speaker 2: into and beginning to feel compassionate at a heart for

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Speaker 2: those that we live around who don't know him, friends,

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Speaker 2: we have to start talking about him. And we've made

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Speaker 2: that kevinshow dot com, you can put a backslash at

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Speaker 2: the end of that and type the word Heaven. That

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Speaker 2: kevinshow dot com backslash Heaven. Download your own WatchKit. You'll

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Speaker 2: get a link to the full length film. You'll get

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Speaker 2: the trailer, and you'll get the study questions, and you

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Speaker 2: can organize your own gathering in your house, at your church,

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Speaker 2: and your small group at your friend's house. The beauty

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Speaker 2: of this watch kit you can take it anywhere. He

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Speaker 2: can use it anywhere. But this Holy Week, this week,

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Speaker 2: while the whole world is turning to the story of

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Speaker 2: Jesus and asking the questions, when the ABC broadcast executives

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Speaker 2: are saying, Hey, for Holy Week, maybe we should do

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Speaker 2: songs of faith. That's a pretty good indication that people

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Speaker 2: might be more open to things of faith this week

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Speaker 2: than normal. Take advantage of it, exploit it. Tell people

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Speaker 2: about the hope that Jesus is to you and friends.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know that hope, send me an email

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Speaker 2: that Kevin Show at gmail dot com. I'm dying to

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Speaker 2: share that hope with you, because it's the best news

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Speaker 2: we can ever have. If the thief on the cross,

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Speaker 2: who is basically the equivalent of our serial killer terrorists

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Speaker 2: these days, if the worst piece of humanity that could

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Speaker 2: never do anything good can be rescued by Jesus, we

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Speaker 2: can too. That's the great hope. That's the message. That's

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Speaker 2: the purpose of why we've taken this week, and we're

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Speaker 2: doing some different things than we normally do because we

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Speaker 2: want you to know the joy and the hope, the

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Speaker 2: forgiveness and the peace that only comes through a savior

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Speaker 2: who took your sin on himself for your eternity. Calvin mccallough,

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Speaker 2: We've got a big hour straight ahead. Daniel Butterfuco is

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Speaker 2: a personal injury and trial lawyer in the New York

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Speaker 2: trist State area. But he's written a book called Unapologetic,

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Speaker 2: and he knows something about historic Bibles and why all

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Speaker 2: that matters. This week we'll get into straight ahead. It

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Speaker 2: is Calvin mccallough Styhead.

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Speaker 11: Here.

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Speaker 6: He is from New York, Kevin Kevin mccolla.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome. It is that Kevin show, that kevinshow

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Speaker 2: dot com. We don't ever put anything behind the paywall there.

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Speaker 2: We just want you to have access to it, including

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Speaker 2: this conversation that we're going to have with my very

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Speaker 2: good friend Dan Buttafuco, who, for all the years I

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Speaker 2: was just on in just New York, was a sponsor

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Speaker 2: of my show and a big, big supporter of the

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Speaker 2: Christian community and someone who does so while being maybe

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Speaker 2: one of the most prominent trial lawyers in the in

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Speaker 2: the country, but especially in the Tri state area. And Dan,

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Speaker 2: it's wonderful to have you. Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's always fun to talk to you. And just for

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Speaker 2: people that are you know, in Poughkeepsie and Seattle and Honolulu.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about what Butterfuco and Associates is.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are a boutique personal injury law firm which

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Speaker 1: I founded in the early nineteen eighties. I've been practicing

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Speaker 1: for over forty years. We handle those serious injury and

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Speaker 1: accident and malpractice cases all over the country. We have

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Speaker 1: partner firms and satellite offices in about fifteen states, and

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Speaker 1: I just had to handle the case in Alaska. I

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Speaker 1: have one pet Presidley in Puerto Rico, and so wherever

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Speaker 1: Christians are hurt, if the injury is serious and the

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Speaker 1: case has merit, we will represent them and help them.

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Speaker 1: We have created to date one hundred and seventy six millionaires,

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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty happy.

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Speaker 2: And I just I want to point that out because

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Speaker 2: you practice personal injury law in a way that I

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Speaker 2: think has the greatest amount of integrity to it of

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Speaker 2: any personal injury lawyer or firm that I've heard of.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about what sets you

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Speaker 2: guys apart from everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a great question. You know, when

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Speaker 1: we first started practicing law in the early eighties, it

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Speaker 1: was a real stigma attached to personal injury law practice.

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Speaker 1: It was like, Oh, you're suing people, and that's about

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Speaker 1: revenge and that's evil, and the Bible says not to sue, which,

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Speaker 1: of course it doesn't. Actually everything I do is firmly

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Speaker 1: rooted and grounded in scripture. Exodus chapter twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: twenty two talks about getting compensation for personal injuries. It's

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Speaker 1: right there in the Bible. God is a just God,

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Speaker 1: and he expects people to pay for what they break,

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Speaker 1: and that's what personal injury law is firmly grounded on.

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Speaker 1: And so I was sort of, I guess, instrumental in

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Speaker 1: breaking down those barriers. You know, I would go into

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Speaker 1: churches and people would look at me like a pariah

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Speaker 1: or I was even possessed of something because I was

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Speaker 1: representing Christians and accident cases and want to explain to

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Speaker 1: them that people get hurt and they need representation, and

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Speaker 1: it's actually a good thing. I'm fixing lives. I'm mending

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Speaker 1: problems and fixing broken people, getting their lives on track.

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Speaker 1: Backed are our state, our sort of motto as we

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Speaker 1: help accident victims rebuild their lives. Finally caught on, people realize,

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Speaker 1: especially when pastors would get hurt and contact the Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is not such a bad, bad deal. It's not

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Speaker 1: a bad guy at all. It's a good system. So

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Speaker 1: we we've been instrumental and breaking down those barriers and

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Speaker 1: of course, now it's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. You can't throw

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Speaker 1: a rock today without hitting a personal injury lawyer. Most

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Speaker 1: of them are very good. Most of them are just

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Speaker 1: sort of capitalizing on the advertising, and it's gotten somewhat

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Speaker 1: out of control. But we were the originals, let's put

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Speaker 1: it that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I will say this. You you spend money

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Speaker 2: out of pocket to help set up the cases so

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Speaker 2: that they win best. So if that means getting a

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Speaker 2: better a better medical exam, if it means helping with

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Speaker 2: various things, hospitalizations and the things you guys work, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've even Yeah, you guys work. You guys work, work, work, work,

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Speaker 2: work on the front end of the case, especially if

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Speaker 2: the case is strong, so that you know that they're

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Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna be taken care of. And then when

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Speaker 2: the cases is finished, they're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: be taken care of if people want to. And I

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Speaker 2: don't want to turn this into an infomercial for the

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Speaker 2: law firm, but if people want to be in touch

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Speaker 2: with you from anywhere in the country, what's the phone number?

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Speaker 13: One eight hundred Now, Hurt one eight hundred, easy to remember,

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Speaker 13: now hurt Harry soon put that in your put that

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Speaker 13: in your cell phone. One eight zero zero, now hurt,

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Speaker 13: one eight hundred, now hurt.

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Speaker 2: Just spell it out, all right, Dan, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about law today, though we will still dip

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Speaker 2: into some legal principles on all the stuff that we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about. Yet, you at some point in

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Speaker 2: your life, after being you know, one of the most successful,

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Speaker 2: if not the most successful in New York State. You

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Speaker 2: had the biggest settlement I think a couple of times

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Speaker 2: in New York State history. You did really well. God

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Speaker 2: started working on your heart about using these same skills

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Speaker 2: to advance his word, preserve his word, defend his word.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about Dan, butafuco the apologist and the

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Speaker 2: Bible historian, because I don't think if they haven't heard

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Speaker 2: of your law firm, they certainly haven't heard of that guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, about twenty five years ago, I had a personal crisis,

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Speaker 1: and you know, see Lewis said, God whispers in our pleasures,

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Speaker 1: but he shouts in our pains. God's pain is God's

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Speaker 1: megaphone to a deaf world. And I like to think

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Speaker 1: I'm not very deaf to the spirit. But sometimes God

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Speaker 1: has to use extraordinary means to get our attention. And

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Speaker 1: I went through a really tough time and the upshot

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Speaker 1: of it was that the Lord was dealing with me

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Speaker 1: and essentially said to me, and we just try to

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Speaker 1: summarize it. You know, stop trying to be rich, and

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Speaker 1: stop trying to be a big shot. Try a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: personal injury trial lawyer, and start focusing more on people's problems.

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Speaker 1: And if you help people, if you, you know, make

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Speaker 1: an effort to solve people's problems, get their lives back

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Speaker 1: on track, and do good deeds. Basically, our good works

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Speaker 1: follow us once we're saved, and they give us rewards.

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Speaker 1: First cour Indians three, you'll not only lay up treasure

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Speaker 1: in heaven, but you'll actually be more successful and you'll

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Speaker 1: be pleasing the Lord. You have been caught before the horse, basically,

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Speaker 1: mister butterfu Goo. And I realized, of course, that God

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Speaker 1: was right, and so I made a concerted effort to

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Speaker 1: look at every client and every problem differently, and I

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Speaker 1: instilled that culture in my office. So now when we

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Speaker 1: see clients, we look at them as victims. We look

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Speaker 1: at them as people that need help. We don't look

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Speaker 1: at them as a paycheck or as a you know,

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Speaker 1: a fee, although many lawyers do that, and I confess

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Speaker 1: I once did that, maybe indvertently, but I shouldn't have.

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Speaker 1: And so now it's a whole different ballgame. So with

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Speaker 1: that in mind, I also started to minister more frequently.

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Speaker 1: I started to speak more. Started by teaching Sunday school.

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Speaker 1: Then I started the I went to night classes, got

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Speaker 1: my mask.

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Speaker 2: So you went back to school, you went to seminary

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Speaker 2: and started like really digging in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was instrumental during that time period when I

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Speaker 1: was struggling. I went and got my master's degree in theology.

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Speaker 1: I studied apologetics under some of the most famous apologists,

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Speaker 1: Christian apologists in the world. Some of them became my clients.

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Speaker 1: And what I found out as a lawyer that loves

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Speaker 1: to argue love. I grew up in a family, an

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Speaker 1: Italian family. We'd argue around the kitchen table about nothing,

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Speaker 1: and then we learn as a lawyer to argue about

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Speaker 1: things that are about money and about injuries. And now

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Speaker 1: I like to argue and debate theology and also against atheists.

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Speaker 1: So what I have found is that we have excellent arguments,

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Speaker 1: excellent evidence, excellent information for not only the existence of God,

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Speaker 1: but also for the validity of the Bible, the uneerverancy

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Speaker 1: of the scriptures, the correct and proper transmission of the Bible,

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Speaker 1: the accuracy of the manuscripts, and a whole host of

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Speaker 1: other things which are really hot topics now. So I

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Speaker 1: regularly engage people on Quorra. Cora is a platform where

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Speaker 1: you can debate these things. I was just on it

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Speaker 1: before this call, and I haven't open close to nine

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Speaker 1: million views.

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Speaker 2: Nine million views, and it is the wild West like.

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Speaker 2: People come in there from any worldview, any frame of mind,

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Speaker 2: any frame of reference, and they just spit it out.

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Speaker 1: If you got a computer and you have an attitude,

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Speaker 1: you have an opinion, you can put it out on

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Speaker 1: our quorra, and I was placed to be. I love

871
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: correcting them. I love setting them straight. Some people are

872
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: really stupid, and some people are really intelligent, some people

873
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: are misled. You get the whole panoply of of opinions

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00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: on Quora, and so I like to engage them in

875
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Speaker 1: sharp debate, politely and with respect. And because I know

876
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Speaker 1: people are watching and it's taken hold, I've got for

877
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Speaker 1: been this popularity. I don't make any money from it,

878
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Speaker 1: I don't care, but I feel like I have to

879
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: write the record when people say things like Jesus never existed,

880
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and that's that's the latest one.

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Speaker 2: Now, most adias don't even hold that to be true.

882
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: Right, even the worst critics of Christianity don't believe that.

883
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Speaker 1: But you know, evil is trying to move us further

884
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: and further away from the truth. You know, one you

885
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: hear quite a bit is the Bible is a book

886
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: of fairy tales. It's not written by the people. It's

887
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Speaker 1: claimed to be written by The Bible, you know, is

888
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: not factual. It's a claim, it's not evidence. That's a

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Speaker 1: good one. I love answering that one because I'm literally

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Speaker 1: an expert and claims and evidence. So when someone says

891
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: the Bible is a claim and not evidence, I just go,

892
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I just totally demolish that. And the Bible says we

893
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: ought to do that. Paul rights, we ought to demolish arguments.

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Speaker 1: I think it's second CRITI is ten to five. He

895
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Speaker 1: said it might be first critis ten five, But either way,

896
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Speaker 1: it says that we are to demolish arguments as strongholds

897
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Speaker 1: and every pretension that exalts itself against the knowledge of

898
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Speaker 1: God in June chapter three, it says that we are

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Speaker 1: to contend for the faith, which means to fight for

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Speaker 1: the faith once and for all and trusted to the saints.

901
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean to beat people up, but it does

902
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Speaker 1: mean that we have to take on the lies of

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Speaker 1: the culture and the lives of the pseudo intellectuals, that

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Speaker 1: we have to stand up for the truth and it's important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're speaking with Dan Buttafuco and he's not only

906
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Speaker 2: an apologist, he's also an author along those lines. Unapologetic

907
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: is his new book. We'll get into that a little

908
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: bit as we go along, but just real quickly, when

909
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Speaker 2: we come back, Dan, I'm going to ask you about

910
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Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society. This is not only another passion

911
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: of yours. It's something that you actually bring to people

912
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: for kind of an immersive experience. That's the new hot

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Speaker 2: thing in New York.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Everything is immersive. It's got to be immersive. You got

916
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: to have a virtual reality, you got to feel it,

917
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: you got to touch it, you got to say you

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Speaker 2: know of wild and crazy things. You don't do any

919
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Speaker 2: of those things. But it is a bit of a

920
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Speaker 2: historical immersive experience in terms of the published Bible and

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Speaker 2: it's a really cool thing. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it more when we come back. It's Kevin mccollough's that

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Speaker 2: Kevin Show, that Kevinshow dot hawk.

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Speaker 12: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin next here

925
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Speaker 12: he is from New York exactly then, Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough. Very glad to have you with us. And

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Speaker 2: if you have not yet gotten your watch kit for

929
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Speaker 2: this Holy Week, please go to that kevinshow dot com

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Speaker 2: backslash Heaven. Just put in your email and we're going

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Speaker 2: to send you the trailer, the full length movie and

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Speaker 2: the study questions for Heaven. How I Got here? The

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Speaker 2: story of the Thief on the Cross. We want a

934
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Speaker 2: million people to watch this film, host a discussion about

935
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Speaker 2: this film and discuss the merits of the story because

936
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Speaker 2: the story of the Thief is really the ultimate gospel message.

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01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: He could not do anything to earn anything, ever, and

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Speaker 2: yet he appeared in heaven with Jesus on the same

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Speaker 2: day that they were both crucified. It's an amazing story.

940
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: It creates amazing discussion. Please go check it out. That

941
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Speaker 2: kevinshow dot com backslash Heaven. Download it for yourself. Dan

942
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: about Afuco is my guest. He is the founder of

943
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Speaker 2: about a few Cone Associates law firm here in the

944
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Speaker 2: New York tri state area. They do have satellied offices

945
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Speaker 2: in all fifty states all across the country. They have

946
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Speaker 2: helped people and if you would like to know more

947
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Speaker 2: about personal injury and maybe how they could help you

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Speaker 2: eight hundred now HURT one eight hundred and ow hu

949
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Speaker 2: RT one eight hundred now hurt is where you can go.

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Speaker 2: But he's also the author of Unapologetic, which we'll get

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Speaker 2: to in a bit. But to Dan, just before we

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Speaker 2: went to break, I teased everybody about this thing called

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Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society. Now this is a story in

954
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Speaker 2: terms of how it came to be in your life.

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Speaker 2: But before we get into the story about happened, what

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Speaker 2: was the reason, what was the interest as to why

957
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: you even thought something like that was important?

958
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: Well, Kevin was, as I said, I had undergone a

959
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Speaker 1: personal crisis in the late nineties and know God was

960
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: dealing with me, putting my life back on track as

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Speaker 1: he often does. And at the same time, I was

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Speaker 1: also very interested in old things and history antiques, and

963
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Speaker 1: I always loved the Bible. So I pad the two

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Speaker 1: hobbies and interests, and so I got involved in antique bibles,

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Speaker 1: and I got involved in important Bibles and managed to

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Speaker 1: get my hands on a first edition King James. Actually

967
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Speaker 1: started at a medical malpractice seminar I was taking at

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Speaker 1: the Waldorf Astoria in the world off a Historia. There

969
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Speaker 1: was a rare bookshop and I went in there and

970
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Speaker 1: I brought a rare Bible. And then the woman says

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Speaker 1: to me, if you like rare bibles, I know where

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Speaker 1: a King James is. So I negotiated a deal with her.

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Speaker 1: I got a King James, and I brought it to

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Speaker 1: my house and I would show it to people like

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Speaker 1: show and tell. And I was amazed at the reaction

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Speaker 1: of people Christians when they saw a first edition sixteen

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Speaker 1: to eleven pulpit polio King James. And the thing weighs

978
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Speaker 1: about thirty pounds, right, you think, right? And it's in

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Speaker 1: perfect it's original condition. Right. So I said, Wow, if

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Speaker 1: this is the kind of reaction I get from this,

981
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Speaker 1: let me see if I can get other you know,

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Speaker 1: major milestones in the history of the Bible. So just

983
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Speaker 1: to make a long story and very complicated story. Short,

984
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Speaker 1: I slowly acquired all manner of amazing rare artifacts, including

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Speaker 1: page from the Gutenberg, a first edition Tindale illustrated, a

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Speaker 1: Coverdale Bible. I've got the Boston New Testament is only

987
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Speaker 1: two in the world. I've got museum quality stuff. And

988
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Speaker 1: at some point it became too expensive to own it,

989
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: and so I created a foundation. Actually a public charity

990
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: is what it is. And I donated all these books

991
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: to this foundation, and we would start going to various

992
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: churches and schools and displaying them and getting the same

993
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: reaction times one hundred or times a thousand when we'd

994
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Speaker 1: go into these places. I did it at a CCC

995
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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. I had five thousand people in the audience,

996
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Speaker 1: and the response is overwhelming. I do it for high

997
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: school kids and they storm the stage. What we do

998
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: is we use the Bibles and these artifacts, and I've

999
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Speaker 1: got ran manuscripts going back to the tenth century, eleventh century,

1000
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Speaker 1: and we use these artifacts as eye candy to get

1001
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Speaker 1: people interested. You talked about an immersive experience. We also

1002
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Speaker 1: have a virtual reality exhibition that comes along with it.

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Speaker 1: And then what that does is it generates questions about

1004
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Speaker 1: how do we get the Bible, why do we believe

1005
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: the Bible? Why are we Christians and not Muslims? And

1006
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Speaker 1: I've gotten a whole I've developed the whole sort of

1007
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: message that is around that, and we go to various

1008
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: churches and schools throughout the year and the response has

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Speaker 1: been nothing short of outstanding.

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Speaker 2: What is the most amazing thing people have their eyes

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Speaker 2: open to when they see all these manuscripts?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all the care and sacrifice and effort

1013
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Speaker 1: that's gone into preserving the Word of God. You know,

1014
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Speaker 1: we have over twenty seven thousand ancient manuscripts documenting the

1015
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: New Testament. Nothing comes close in terms of the earliest

1016
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Speaker 1: ones are from the first and early second century. The

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Speaker 1: time gap between the events that happened involving the life

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Speaker 1: of Jesus and the life of Paul and the Apostles

1019
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Speaker 1: and the earliest manuscripts fragments is not very big. It

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Speaker 1: overshadows Homer's Iliad by an order of magnitude of about

1021
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: a thousand. But there are actually about forty lines of

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Speaker 1: the New Testament that are in doubt, that are in

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Speaker 1: dispute or.

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Speaker 2: The whole in the whole New Testament, only which is.

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Speaker 1: So inconsequential and then is the type of thing that

1026
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Speaker 1: trips people up. We're talking about kids that go to

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Speaker 1: college and at their faith challenge.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the tricks that intellectual bullies will use, well,

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Speaker 1: they'll say to a kid who's been in youth grouper's

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Speaker 1: whole life when he enters college, and it's usually the

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Speaker 1: smart kids that you know are the ones that are affected.

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Speaker 1: He'll say something like, oh, did you know that they

1034
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Speaker 1: are copying errors in the in the Bible? And if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a good answer for that, that could

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Speaker 1: actually damage your faith. Well, the correct answer should be yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. So what we know exactly where the errors

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Speaker 1: were made. If I asked you to copy the Bible,

1039
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Speaker 1: you'd make mistakes. I asked a thousand people to copy

1040
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: the Bible, came back in a year, we would know

1041
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: that everyone would end by the end by hand, and

1042
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: anyone would make a different mistake. Yeah, that's to be,

1043
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: because all you have to do is cross reference them,

1044
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: and you know exactly who skipped the line, who left

1045
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: out a word, who put a t might be. And

1046
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: so really the Bible is the New Testament is like

1047
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Speaker 1: it's like ninety nine point nine percent accurate, and there

1048
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: are a few troublesome issues there, but with every new

1049
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: discovery we get great accuracy of the text.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought, Dan, but afuco. If you want more

1051
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Speaker 2: information about the Historical Bible Society, you can also call

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Speaker 2: one eight hundred now hurt. But what's the what's the website?

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Speaker 1: Dan?

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Speaker 2: If people just want to look it up.

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Speaker 1: Online, Historical Biblesociety dot org.

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Speaker 2: One long word, Historical Bible Society dot or org. You

1057
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Speaker 2: come on right back in the way.

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Speaker 6: Here he is from New York exactly. Kevin, Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: All right, So glad to have you with us, and

1060
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: so loving this conversation with Dan, but afuco because this

1061
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: is why we have the segment early in the show

1062
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Speaker 2: called how do we Live? Applying what we think we

1063
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: know about biblical truth to the everyday life. And Dan,

1064
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: you've known me long enough that you know this to

1065
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: be true. I don't think that any of us are

1066
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 2: here by accident. I think that we all have a job,

1067
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: and that that job is to more more or less

1068
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: tell the story of God to those who do not

1069
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: believe in him and watch him change their life as

1070
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Speaker 2: they give their life to him. That is done specifically

1071
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: by believing that Jesus came, was sinless, was crucified on

1072
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Speaker 2: the cross for our sins, was he arose three days later,

1073
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Speaker 2: and is someday returning to establish his kingdom in a

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Speaker 2: permanent way. These are all things that Christians hold to.

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Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuf that Charlie Kirk got

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Speaker 2: killed for. So it's one of these things where friends

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Speaker 2: it really does matter, people still care very strongly about it.

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Speaker 2: And along these lines, you've written the book Unapologetic, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of an outgrowth of your quarreling on Quorra,

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Speaker 2: but that should be your follow up, Unapologetic and Quarreling

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Speaker 2: on Quorra. But there are some like kind of traditional

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Speaker 2: arguments that people think that are gotcha arguments that people make.

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Speaker 2: You felt it was important to identify some of them

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Speaker 2: and to put them into writing and to put sound

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Speaker 2: defenses against them in there. What's been the response to

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Speaker 2: the book itself? How are people using it? Are they

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Speaker 2: giving it to people that have these questions? Are they

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Speaker 2: using it to bolster their own information? What's your goal

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Speaker 2: and having Unapologetic in the marketplace.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's first state the problem and then we'll see

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Speaker 1: what the goal is the problem. And this is statistical.

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Speaker 1: It's been proved that something like two thirds, close to

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Speaker 1: two thirds of all young Christian people. These are kids

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Speaker 1: growing up in the youth group. These are pastors and

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Speaker 1: elders kids as well. Two thirds of them are leaving

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Speaker 1: the faith. That's called apostasizing by the time they complete college.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is because nobody is teaching

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Speaker 1: why we believe these things. Everybody is proclaiming the gospel,

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Speaker 1: which is good. Kids come to the youth group, you know,

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Speaker 1: through pizza and ping pong, and I've heard that phrase,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they join the camaraderie and the pretty

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Speaker 1: girls and the good looking guys, and it's the all

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Speaker 1: nice thing. Everybody's singing in the choir. People feel the

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Speaker 1: presence of the Holy Spirit, and they get emotional. And

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Speaker 1: Christ has been reduced to an emotional experience sadly in

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Speaker 1: many churches. But no one's using their head. No one

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Speaker 1: is understanding why we believe the Christian faith, say, over

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Speaker 1: the Muslim faith or the Hindu faith. Why do we

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Speaker 1: believe our book is right and the Qoran is wrong?

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Speaker 1: For example? Why why are we Christians? Nobody can or

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Speaker 1: articulator reason. I'll go into churches with the Bible Society,

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Speaker 1: Historical Bible Society. I'll start by saying, how many people

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Speaker 1: believe the Bible is the word of God. I'll get

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Speaker 1: a confluence of hands raised, everybody's excited. The Bible's the

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Speaker 1: word of God? How many people know why we believe this?

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Speaker 1: And I'll get crickets. Now, if we can't understand and

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Speaker 1: articulate why we believe what we believe, we're sitting ducks

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Speaker 1: for the intellectual bullies of the age. And this is

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Speaker 1: especially true of college kids who go into college. You've

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Speaker 1: seen the movie God Is Not Dead and a professor

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Speaker 1: latches on to someone who's a Christian. They did this

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Speaker 1: to me in the seventies. They did it to my

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Speaker 1: daughter in the eighties and in the nineties. Rather and

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Speaker 1: so we have great answers, but nobody knows them. So

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Speaker 1: I want to encourage everybody here listening, pastors, elders, young

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Speaker 1: people to understand why we believe these things and be

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Speaker 1: able to give a defense. The Bible says in Peter

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Speaker 1: that we are to be able to give a reason,

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Speaker 1: a defense, an epologia, the hope that is within us

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Speaker 1: and to do it with gentleness and respect. Now concerning

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Speaker 1: my own daughter, she was bullied in a first year

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Speaker 1: of college at the exact point when I was studying

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Speaker 1: apologetics at the college at for my master's And she says, Dad,

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Speaker 1: what do we do. He's embarrassing me in front of

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Speaker 1: the whole class. I said, we're going to answer him,

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Speaker 1: and so we answered him. He was a falling away

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Speaker 1: Jesuit and he had a real attitude, the guy. And

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Speaker 1: we wrote paper after paper, and what happened at the

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Speaker 1: end of the semester. To this guy's credit, he gave

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Speaker 1: her an a plus and he wrote across the top

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Speaker 1: of her paper, you have made me question my own atheism. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now see that's an honest intellectual at least. You know,

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Speaker 1: he thought he had it all figured out. And when

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Speaker 1: we came up with evidence and we came up for

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Speaker 1: reasons for why we believe, he realized that he was

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Speaker 1: dealing with intelligent people that understood why they believed that,

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Speaker 1: he backed off. And that's all we wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect to argue anyone into the kingdom, but

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Speaker 1: all the people that are watching, all the young people,

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Speaker 1: they now know that the faith is defensible, and that's

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Speaker 1: the goal. That's the goal of that book, Apologetics. It's

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Speaker 1: a tool to put into the hands of young people

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Speaker 1: so that they can make the basic reasons and arguments

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Speaker 1: they're not complicated, to understand why they believe what they believe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the beauties of the Christian

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Speaker 2: life is that there is a continuous thread of truth

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Speaker 2: from the beginning of Genesis, through the end of Revelation,

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Speaker 2: through Jesus' work on the Cross, through our discipleship and

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Speaker 2: life today. And I think the Church has to model

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Speaker 2: all of those things to the world around them. And

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't be pretending that we have all the answers

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Speaker 2: if we don't have all the answers. But for the

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Speaker 2: answers that we have, we should understand them and we

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Speaker 2: should be able to articulate them. And more important than

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Speaker 2: I think anything else, the power of a changed life

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Speaker 2: is as ready an answer as anything else. If Christians

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Speaker 2: are living what we believe, if we are being dynamic

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Speaker 2: salt and light, if we are loving our neighbor, if

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Speaker 2: we are inviting people to church with us, if we

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Speaker 2: are saying, hey, what are you doing this holiday? Are

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Speaker 2: you alone? Can you spend some time with us? If

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Speaker 2: we are on mission, on task, on the job, the

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Speaker 2: world's going to know that there's something different about our faith.

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Speaker 2: And that's what that professor picked up on. You got

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Speaker 2: his attention with all the data, but you convinced him

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Speaker 2: ultimately because of the demeanor. And at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, who knows what's going to happen to that professor,

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Speaker 2: But I hope that his atheism continues to be questioned.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to know more, so the books

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Speaker 2: available anywhere good books are sold, Amazon, etc. You can

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Speaker 2: get them anywhere. If you want to know more about

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Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society, it's Historical Biblesociety dot org. And

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Speaker 2: if you want to know more about Dan's law firm,

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Speaker 2: it's one eight hundred now Hurt, one eight hundred now Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Dan was a big sponsor of our women's event that

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Speaker 2: we had in the Tristate area last year. We were

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Speaker 2: looking forward to talking to him before that event took place.

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Speaker 2: This kind of makes up for that. But Dan, thank

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Speaker 2: you for fighting the good fight in the in the

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom, in the classroom, in the in the pulpit,

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Speaker 2: wherever you're at. Thank you for doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for being there and come back and

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Speaker 2: see us again.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love too. I'm happy to do it. And

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Speaker 1: pray for me please.

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Speaker 2: I do brother, actually on a personal level, because you

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Speaker 2: and I are friends. But thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: One eight hundred now Hurt Historical Biblesociety dot Org. In

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Speaker 2: the book is called Unapologetic. Kevin McCullough coming right back

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Speaker 2: from New York.

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Speaker 14: Don't go way, Let's stick around for more of that

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Speaker 14: Kevin next, serving it up with a no drink mint.

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Speaker 1: It's that Kevin that Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Kevin McCalla, That Kevin Show. Final few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Just a reminder, Salem Media is heading to Cleveland for

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Speaker 2: Opening Day this Friday and setting up right near the

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Speaker 2: stadium on Carnegie for a VIP tailgate with Indian Motorcycle.

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Speaker 2: Also be live from Jolene's honky Tonk later in the

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Speaker 2: afternoon for a live broadcast. If you show up in

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Speaker 2: your Cleveland Indians gear, you'll be entered to win a

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Speaker 2: spot on our Gulf of America cruise. It's being sponsored

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Speaker 2: by the Indian Motorcycle Company and they would like you

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Speaker 2: to go to register and to be part of the

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Speaker 2: big tailgate this weekend if you're in Cleveland, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, be done in time to go to Good

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Speaker 2: Friday service later that night. Kevin McCullough again trying to

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Speaker 2: turn our hearts towards the real meaning of this week.

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Speaker 2: Here's the gettys o, most.

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Speaker 6: High king of the.

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Speaker 7: Great Ye.

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Speaker 2: Gods, golunch, you haven't dadd.

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Speaker 4: Let us through.

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Speaker 6: Many warders.

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Speaker 2: Our strength, our sun are sure salvage.

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Speaker 1: Shot now to.

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Speaker 4: The lamb poul threat.

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Speaker 7: Be blasting on a color repound for.

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Speaker 1: The body have.

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Speaker 6: Almost time loving among us.

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Speaker 2: Sound of man.

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Speaker 9: Samfool ss I home love every gimebers swives slave.

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Speaker 6: Ninety save yo fool who died.

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Speaker 7: Whoopin sorus also beaders, how bad.

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Speaker 4: We every driving every trick we shall be at the

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Speaker 4: money the tri b.

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Speaker 2: How bad.

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Speaker 7: Amost time keen of the nations, robed in prais.

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Speaker 6: Crown, we splender.

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Speaker 7: Christ, the thing who wants and days and is.

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Speaker 1: Now to the.

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Speaker 7: Be messing on the polly time all the time.

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Speaker 12: A world.

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Speaker 6: With the ritual.

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Speaker 7: We joy lea the money.

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Speaker 2: All right. The music of Keith and kristin Getty and

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Speaker 2: the christis Victor song that they wrote a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, declaring that jesus work on the Cross is

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Speaker 2: really what determines the victory for all of us. He

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Speaker 2: conquered Sanny, conquered death. The best news we have to

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Speaker 2: share is that message that Jesus today is alive. He

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Speaker 2: is not dead. He has risen, just as he said,

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Speaker 2: Calvin McCullough, We'll see you next time.