1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Base is going to war. She is not only 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: talking about the FTEM files, she's promising to unredact the 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: names herself. She says the public has the right to 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: know whose names are hidden in those documents. No more 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: black ing, no more protection for the powerful. These secrets 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: are coming out, and she's doing it. I'm just a 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: guy in America who wants to know why we can't 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: know everything and anything about this scumbag. I don't understand 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: what it is that stops my ability as an American. 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Forget that I do information for a living. I'm just 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: a guy who's a US citizen that wants to know 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: how bad was this guy? And why can't I know everything? 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Do you know why I can't know everything. 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: Because the information is still redacted? I mean, I've been 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: at the DOJ for several hours this week and there 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: are many documents, particularly as it pertains to the co conspirators, 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: whose names are redacted, and you can't view the unredacted 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: files at the DOJ. 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: And that's it that they can just redact and say 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: have an I. 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Actat I'm the whole thing is a okay, and isn't 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: This isn't about PAMBONDI, Okay, I'm frustrated with the way 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: that she's behaved throughout the Epstein saga, But this goes 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: back to the Bush era. We're talking about over twenty 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: years of a cover up. We're talking about prosecutors, solicitors, you, judges, etc. 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: Are a grand jury information that has been hidden from 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: the American people. And what he was convicted of is 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: such a small fraction of what was actually going on. 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: The files that I viewed this week's show that there 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: was a worldwide global sex trafficking ring. Men and women 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: were involved in selling women and girls to Jeffrey Epstein 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: and Gallaine Maxwell. That's what I saw in the files. 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: And the other thing that I saw was a lot 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: of names of people who are probably guilty of a 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: crime who didn't go to jail. And so I am 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: procuring and putting together a list right now. It would 37 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: be a lot faster for me to put together that 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: list if I could see the files unredacted, but it's 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: taking me longer. I want to bet to make sure 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: the list of names I'm going to give the Overset 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: Committee that they're not victims names in it, because I'm 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: going to be naming women. Right, Okay, there are women 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: who try to sell women to Epstein, and as long 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: as they're not a victim, I'm going to put their 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: name out there. But I want to make sure right 46 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: now that i'm vetting the names that I'm not exposing 47 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: a victim when I do it. But also I'm missing documents, 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: and I want a full list of tally that I 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: can reference, because some of it's going to be a 50 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: shot in the dark, but I want to see the 51 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 2: documents that are redacted because that's where a lot of 52 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: the co conspirat or information is. 53 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Well, the only people that we're okay with having redacted, 54 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: as you said, are the victims. And then you hear 55 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: this thing about well but methods and policies and how 56 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: we do the we have to redact that too. No, no, 57 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: you don't. This guy's dead. He's dead, now, why can't 58 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: we know? So let me ask you this. Let's take 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: it a step further. Yes, low life, disgusting, can't even 60 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: imagine how horrible this guy was. But do you think 61 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: he was Cia? Do you think he might have been Masad? 62 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Is there something there that's stopping them from letting us 63 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: know exactly what went on? 64 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: I have a letter going out to the CIA very 65 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: soon in the next day or two, which you will 66 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: see because as I have am privy to some information 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: documents that I believe are in the possession of the CIA, 68 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: and so that letter will be coming out in short order, 69 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: as well as I'm asking the CIA for all versions 70 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: of every passport he ever had under any and all 71 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: pseudonyms as well. I think there's more of the story 72 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: and I would like to get to the bottom of it. 73 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: Do you think he's definitely dead? It's an odd question. 74 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: Do you think he's not. Do you think he's dead? 75 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: I think it was I don't think this was suicide. 76 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: In fact, back on the plane, in this pile behind 77 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: me over here, I have some photos of his jail 78 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: cell from the files, and I looked at the noose 79 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: and it was it looked way too big for somebody's neck. 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Okay. 81 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: I was like this, there's no way that he hung 82 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: himself in that room. 83 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: When it comes to Donald Trump, the president, who you 84 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and I both support, the guy kicked him out of 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: his club in like two thousand and four. The guy 86 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: actually called he called local law enforcement and said, you 87 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: gotta do something about this. Jeffrey Afton guy, he's a problem. 88 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: So why is it that the left keeps on acting 89 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Did you see what had Lou said yesterday about Donald 90 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Trump raping somebody and then and then had her head 91 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: blown off? He said that in a committee, in a hearing. 92 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the audio is disgusting what he said, and 93 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: the allegations are disgusting. So why are they acting like 94 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Trump is somehow the guy covering it up when we 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: know that nonpartisan people have said Donald Trump kicked this 96 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: low life out of his club. Donald Trump is the 97 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: guy that called the authorities on this guy back in 98 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: the day. Why do they keep on trying to hang 99 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: it around him? Do you think? 100 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: Well? And I reminded the press yesterday at a press 101 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: conference with Epstein victims, that Donald Trump is the one 102 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: that released the files. It was done under his presidency, 103 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: not Biden, not Obama, not Bush, nobody. It was done 104 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: under Donald Trump. So they can thank Donald Trump for 105 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: the files getting out. I just wish, Joe that we 106 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: had said the files exonerate the president, have at it 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: eight months ago, right, because this would be behind us 108 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: and we could address affordability and cost of living on 109 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: other issues that affect the American people. This has been 110 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: drug out because it took so long to get the files, 111 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: and now the files are still redacted. This is going 112 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: to go on forever until somebody goes to jail. And so, 113 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, that's my biggest thing is getting the truth 114 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: out there. And Donald Trump was exonerated by all the victims. 115 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: He's exonerated in the files. He hasn't done anything wrong. 116 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 2: I don't care how many times his name is mentioned 117 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: in the files. He didn't do anything. And in fact, 118 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: i'm learning today because one of my opponents in the 119 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: governor's race, her campaign tried to say that I am 120 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: a child rapist basically in a post on Tuesday, because 121 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: my name is in the files. My name is in 122 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: the files because I was taking on the FBI in 123 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: the public. They had articles of my name on negative 124 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: articles about the FBI from a couple of years ago. Cool. 125 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: And you know, some lunatic wrote into the FBI anonymously, 126 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: like five months ago and accused ron De Santis and 127 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: me of being somewhere back in I don't know, two 128 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: thousand and eight. I didn't even know who Rond DeSantis 129 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: was in two thousand and eight. So I mean, it 130 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: was really lunatick files in there, and it's like, come on, 131 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: this is clickbait, this is a which line, This is 132 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: like a distraction. Focus on the ball. We have billionaires 133 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: that are walking free that rate underage girls. Let's focus 134 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: on that. 135 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's a situation where and I think you 136 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier, and it's Nancy Mace of course, 137 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: US Representative District one, Republican Great State of South Carolina 138 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: running for governor of South Carolina. Nancymas dot Org. 139 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: Got supporter governor, needing the race for governor by. 140 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: At least seven and it should be seventy. So I 141 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: hope that you get that job for sure. But I 142 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: want to go back to something you alluded to earlier. 143 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: I like Pam Bondi, got her number, had her on 144 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: the show plenty of times. I like Donald Trump a lot, 145 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: had him on the show fifteen times. I think he's 146 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: a great president. Voted for him three times. Why did 147 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: they react? Why did they react months ago? Nancy? Like 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: they did because Bondi says, the Southern District of New 149 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: York is holding back a truckload of information from US, 150 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and we're going to get it and I've got the 151 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: files on my desk, and then they hand out some 152 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 1: binder to a bunch of influencers that didn't have anything 153 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: in it that we didn't know about. And then when 154 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Trump was at about it, he said, are we still 155 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: talking about this guy? Get over it? Get over Epstein, 156 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: like you said, release it all to get right in 157 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: front of it. Here, you go, have at it, Bring 158 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: anything you've got to bring out of it. But instead 159 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: they try to sort of say, don't worry about it, which, 160 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: of course pequked everybody's curio curiosity. Why do you think 161 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: be handled it that way? 162 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that people weren't thinking straight. 163 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: I don't blame the president at all. He gets advice 164 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: from a lot of people, right But if they had 165 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: just gotten ahead of it, we wouldn't be where we 166 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: are today. We would know who those predators are right now, 167 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: going into the midterms, perhaps by now, so people could 168 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: have been arrested if this had all come out a 169 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: long time ago. But instead we're playing catch up. And 170 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, Joe, I'm the last person 171 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: that should have been given access to the Epstein file, 172 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: because I'm going to give you all the information you 173 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: want unredacted in a way that protects the victims and 174 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: exposes people who have information the truth and might actually 175 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: be predators who need to see time behind bars. And 176 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to get all of it out there for 177 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: the American people in the right way, in a thoughtful way, 178 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: very direct and as fast as I possibly can. 179 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: And it's clear that this is global. You've got Kier 180 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: Starmer's in the hot seat right now. He's trying to 181 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: get some guy Mandelssohn to be the US ambassador from 182 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: the UK, the guy who's named in the Epstein files 183 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: as a guy that was communicating with Epstein giving Epstein 184 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: inside information from Great Britain, and Epstein was giving him 185 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: advice on banking in Great Britain or how the banking 186 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: system should work. I mean, this is a global thing 187 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: where I think you've probably got if not one hundreds, 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: it could be thousands of people that were named, A 189 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: lot of them names that we would know that are 190 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: involved in this. Is that why this cover up goes 191 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: so deep. If it were just the United States, I 192 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: feel like we would know everything by now. 193 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: But this is way deeper than that, oh way deeper. 194 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: In fact, one of the emails. If you recall, you've 195 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: probably seen some of the same emails that I have 196 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: that was redacted online talking about a Brazilian girl, nine 197 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: year old girl that was a typo. The girl appears 198 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: to be nineteen, not nine, but that was a French 199 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: agent at a French modeling agency out of Paris trying 200 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: to give Jeffrey Epstein a girl to abuse. That's what 201 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: was going on. Her name will be on the list 202 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: of names that I give to the Oversight Committee to 203 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: request to have an appearance as part of an investigation 204 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: into the Epstein files. And I think we're going to 205 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: have a task force here. There are just too many people, 206 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: too much cover up, too many predators that this is 207 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: going to have to be. I believe a special task force, 208 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: and I'm going to send a letter to the Speaker 209 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: of the House in that regard, because if the DJ 210 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: won't do it, it's going to be up to the House. 211 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: I would love to lead it and expose what was 212 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: going on and try to find a way to get 213 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: these people to get some jail time. But this was global, 214 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: it was everywhere. It's It's affected thousands of people, and 215 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: this was a cover up. That's been going on for 216 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: more than two decades, long before Donald Trump ever got 217 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: into politics. Exactly, go down to the greatest president of 218 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: American history. 219 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. It's Nancy Mayce. Go and 220 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: vote for in South Carolina if you can. We've got 221 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: three stations in South Carolina. Go and vote for Nancy 222 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: Mace to your next governor. How do you think it worked? 223 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: And let me I guess say. I get the feeling 224 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: that it worked in two different ways. You had the clients, 225 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: these disgusting people who wanted the girls, and they would 226 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: pay Epstein. They thought he was just running a business. 227 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: But it sounds like Epstein was collecting the information to 228 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: use it as global blackmail. I mean, did I get 229 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: that right? Does that appear to be what it is? 230 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Because nobody who's a client would jump in and help 231 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: Epstein blackmail them, So they must have just thought he 232 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: was this disgusting pimp of little girls. But go ahead. 233 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: I haven't gotten that far to get to that sort 234 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: of level. There are millions of documents, but I would 235 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: say that these people were sexually deviant. You had in 236 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: men and Women is basically serving Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell 237 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: women and girls for decades, for years, underage girls you 238 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: had parents. I believe based on the information that I 239 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: saw some parents that were lending their daughters out, lending 240 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: for a trip to New York, or for a trip 241 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: to Palm Beach or you know. I read one document 242 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: this morning on the plane to Charleston today talking about 243 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: how the parents told one underage girl not to complain 244 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: who was sodomized in bleeding and they wouldn't take her 245 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: to the doctor because they were on a trip to 246 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: New York allegedly, right, And so I just it's sick, 247 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: it's deviient, it's illegal, and these people need to go 248 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: to prison. 249 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: How do you think they kept this hidden for so long? 250 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: And here's what I mean. I get the feeling that 251 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: generally speaking, we're good people in America, and generally speaking, 252 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: we don't want to believe this kind of crap goes on. 253 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: But why do you think that it hasn't leaked out before? 254 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: Now? 255 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean, in two thousand and nine, the guy was 256 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: convicted of something, but it was like a slap on 257 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: the wrist in Palm Beach County. Why didn't we find 258 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: out more? Then? Is it that we want to believe 259 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: that bad things like this don't happen, or did they 260 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: purposely hide everything from us. 261 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a combination of bad things don't happen, 262 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: don't believe underaged girls. I think that there is probably 263 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: some corruption. Again. I read a file this morning on 264 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: the flight today to South Carolina about a possible border agent, 265 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: you know, who may have ties us out Carolina by 266 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: the way, you know. I just think that there was 267 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: a lot going on, could be smuggling things or people. 268 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: I think that we haven't even gotten to the tip 269 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: of the iceberg yet. Once we get all the files, 270 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: particularly when they're unredacted, I think people will be shocked 271 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: at the names that are in the files. I mean, 272 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: I've seen some well not the most well known Hollywood 273 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: names going to events hosted by Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction, 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: after his prison time. I mean, I just I am 275 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: beside myself shocked by some of the names in the files. 276 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's not illegal to go hang 277 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: out with a pedophile, but why would you hang out 278 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: with a pedophile? And then for the billionaires that were 279 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: hanging out with a pedophile and underage girls and abusing them, 280 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: I think some people got paid off. I think that 281 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: there are a lot of settlements. Some of these people 282 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: might be under NDA's, But just because you're under an 283 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: NDA doesn't mean that you can't participate in a criminal 284 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: action and provide that information in a criminal investigation. So 285 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: I want to be very clear about that, because some 286 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: people are saying, well, the victims won't say the names 287 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: because they've got paid off and there's an NDA. That 288 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: might be they might have gotten a settlement agreement, But 289 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: when there's a criminal investigation, they are still allowed to 290 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: provide information to investigator. So I think that's an important 291 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: distinction as well. But there were women, adult women who 292 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: were recruiting women underage girls for Epstein and Maxwell, just 293 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: like there were men participating in the sexual assault of 294 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: underaged girls and adult women. But if anyone's going to 295 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it, Joe, it's going to 296 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: be me. 297 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: It is going to be you, and I trust that 298 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: it's Nancy Mace Us Representative District Onweed, Republican in Great 299 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: State of South Carolina. Go and vote for for governor 300 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: of the Great State of South Carolina. She's up, but 301 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: you got to get her over the top on this 302 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: as well. Nancy Maas dot org to go support he 303 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: candidacy there? What is the relationship between Congress and the DOJ? 304 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, can you, as 305 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: a US representatives called Pam but Hey, Pam, I want 306 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: to sit down with you because I've got some problems 307 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: with this release or hey Cash, I'd like to sit 308 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: down and find out where you are in this investigation 309 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and why it is that you're not releasing everything that 310 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: you could. Is there a relationship there? Do you have 311 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: to go through some staff member to go through some 312 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: other staff member and make an appointment? How does that work? 313 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: It just depends on your relationship with the individuals at 314 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: the agencies. Now, I have personally gone to the FBI 315 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: in the last year about some issues and have gotten 316 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: some help and other times gotten blown off. So you know, 317 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: I think it really depends on the situation and the relationship. 318 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes it is staff to staff, sometimes it is personal. 319 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: It just really depends on your relationship with the individuals 320 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: at that agency. 321 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: You know, some of the documents that initially were released 322 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: have now disappeared. How does that happen? Do we still 323 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: have access to those documents? And why do you think 324 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: they disappeared. 325 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: Well, I sent a letter to the DJ this morning, 326 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: actually Tottorney General Pambondi, asking about that very thing. I 327 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: wanted a list of documents that disappeared. I want to 328 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: know why. I want to know if they're properly redacted, 329 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: and when they're going back up on the website. So 330 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: I did request information about that this morning, in fact, 331 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: and I've got other letters going out to the Southern 332 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: District of New York for unredacted documents. I want those 333 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: in my possession. I'm sending a letter to the CIA, 334 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: and then I'm sending a letter to Oversight, I hope 335 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: by next week. 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Oversight Committee is going to continue on this. 365 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: I like I like Jamie Comer a lot, have him 366 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: on the show a lot. I think that he's trying 367 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: to do a good job. But the Republicans have had 368 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: the control for a while now, and still we're not 369 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: getting a ton of referrals for prosecution, and even the 370 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: ones that we are getting that that are referred aren't 371 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: being prosecuted. So how does that how does that even work? 372 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: Does comer say, I'm going to refer this for prosecution? 373 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Mace brought up a bunch of good stuff. I've got 374 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of evidence over here. Here's here is a 375 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: list of co conspirators. Now, Pam BONDI, it's up to 376 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: you to do something. 377 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a process, right that we have. You 378 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: can't just like scap your fingers and do it overnight. 379 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: Has to be an investigation, hearings and then a referral 380 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 2: that has to be voted on by every member of 381 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: the House Oversight Committee. But the problem is, I mean, 382 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: we had four years of Joe Biden, and I think 383 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: the amount of corruption and that administration is like where 384 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: do you start? Do you start with Hunter? Do you 385 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: start with the former president himself? You go to I mean, 386 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: which is start that? Were letting terrasts across the border. 387 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: I just there's just so much. And I feel for 388 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: Chairman Comer, best chairman that I've seen and worked with 389 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: on oversight. He's been amazing. Yeah, but I don't envy 390 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: his position because there's just it. We're overwhelmed because of 391 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: the decades of corruption and fraud, I mean, Tim Walls fraud, Minnesota, California, 392 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: Like where do you start. Like it's almost like you 393 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: just got to turn the water off and start over. 394 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: I just it's so much, Joe, Well it is. 395 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: It's overwhelming. But see, here's the problem. This is the 396 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: concern for people in your in your state, as well 397 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: as everybody else watching and listening. Nobody's in handcuffs. Yet 398 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: we have no purp walks, and you might lose the 399 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: house in November. I hope it doesn't happen. 400 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: Definitely in the house in November. 401 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that's you think that's definitely gonna. 402 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: Happen, definitely gonna happen. 403 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: Well, then well then you're not gonna prosecute anybody. 404 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: That's exactly what's gonna happen. That's what's gonna happen. And 405 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: that's why I wrote that letter to the New York 406 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: Times in the fall, like we just have an opportunity here. 407 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to see us miss it. But if 408 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: people don't go to jail, they're not purp walk like 409 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: you said. And we don't stop paying fraudulent checks to 410 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: other states that billions of dollars. 411 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Right, we're gonna lose. 412 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: Again, Like we don't learn our lessons from the elections 413 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: and what people want. Donald Trump won in a landslide 414 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: on his agenda, and we can do better by implementing 415 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: his agenda both in the House and the Senate the 416 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: same act. I mean, how many months have been begging 417 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 2: for voter I D in our federal elections and are 418 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: we even going to get it before the ten months? 419 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: And here's the problem. John fun should not be the 420 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: majority leader because he could easily make it a talking 421 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: filibuster and make them talking to their blue in the 422 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: face and then they have to shut up, get it 423 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: to cloture and then vote on it. Yet, the whole 424 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: filibuster thing the left in this country, Nancy, and you 425 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: know this better night. Do you work with these people? 426 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: The left has the control and they don't have the control. 427 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: It blows my mind that we gave the majority of 428 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: the House, the Senate, the doj the executive, the Supreme Court, 429 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: to the conservatives, and again they've done nothing for fear 430 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: of not having Martinez with Raskin or something, or for 431 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: fear of Schumer giving them the dirty lookover his glasses. 432 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: What is the problem. Why don't we know when we 433 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: have control we can do something. 434 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: I think we operate out of fear. Fear of being primary, 435 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: fear of the consequences, fear of a negative comment, fear 436 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 2: of a false media hit. I mean I get I 437 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: get beaten up in the press every week with a 438 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: bunch of lies and yes, I mean literally straight up lies. Okay, yeah, 439 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: And it's a consequence of well, I speak out, and 440 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: I think I speak out too much. I tell the 441 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: truth and I call it like I see it on 442 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: both sides eyes. Else I'm not one of them more. 443 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a well liked member because I tell the truth. 444 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. But see, you're in trouble because you tell the truth. 445 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: But the left doesn't get in trouble from lying the 446 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: entire time. They don't seem to care. Now you don't 447 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: care what the media is. 448 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: The media isn't done with them. The media is in 449 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: love with you. Left the media, I mean they're mostly 450 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: Democrats driving Subarus or whatever, and they're all in bed 451 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: with one another to tell a narrative. And if you're 452 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: a story doesn't put the narrative, they won't have you 453 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: on air and they won't amplify your story. And that's 454 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: why the left has an advantage over Republicans because of 455 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: the way the mainstream media operates. 456 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: Isn't there a fear though, we're gonna get the same cycle? 457 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I mean. And I know 458 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: that you remember this. I don't know if you were 459 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: in politics then. But in two thousand and eight, Obama 460 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: wins and the Republicans said, give us the House, will 461 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: stop his agenda. We gave them a house in twenty ten. 462 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: They didn't stop the agenda. Just give us the Senate 463 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, will stop his agenda. Gave him the 464 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: House in twenty fourteen, didn't stop his agenda. Give us 465 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: the presidency in sixteen, and we did. Okay, now we're 466 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: gonna get everything done that we want to get done. 467 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: We had like the Jobs and Save that, what was it, 468 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: the Jobs and Cuts Act? 469 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: The Jobs Act exactly? 470 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: We had that and whatever Trump could get done in 471 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: two years, then you lose the House and sent it 472 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: again under Trump, and he gets impeached every day, Nick Nincy, 473 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: are we ever going to wake up and realize that 474 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: this cycle is going to be the death of this 475 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: country if we don't act like they act when we 476 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: have control. And I don't mean lie, I don't mean 477 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: cheat and steel, I mean act like you've got the 478 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: power and use it. Right now, John Thune is allowing 479 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: the Democrat minority to control what he does and doesn't do. 480 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: And it just blows my mind. 481 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: It is it is mind blowing, and we will lose. 482 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: We will lose our republic if we're not careful. We 483 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: were warned about this by Ronald Reagan and by our 484 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: forefathers that this would be what happens if we're not careful. 485 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: And our country's worth fighting for. And that's why it's 486 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: up to us as conservatives to elect conservatives real try 487 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: it and true conservatives aren't going to tell you one 488 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: thing on the campaign shield, but are actually going to 489 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 2: do what they say they're going to do when they 490 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: get to Congress and get and get elected. And who 491 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: will not live and fear of the electorate, because that 492 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: is a losing strategy. 493 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: What's going on in South Carolina. What's going on in 494 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: your state that you said, I've got to go and 495 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: do this, Because I know that you were calling out 496 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: a local sheriff that was acting like a sanctuary sheriff. 497 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: There are people in that state trying to let the 498 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Northern Virginia, you know, North Carolina stuff squeeze you guys 499 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: into moving much more progressive. What is it about South 500 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: Carolina that made you say? Now I know you're from there, 501 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: but what made you say, I've got to do this. 502 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: I've got to save my state. And if I do that, 503 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: maybe we can explore this idea that we've got freedom 504 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: and liberty and the Constitution matters. Again, what was it 505 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: specifically that told you this is the time. 506 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, I want to implement Donald Trump's agenda. I think 507 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: there's no time like the president to install governors who 508 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: will support Donald Trump better than ever before, because he 509 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: needs it. We need to have his back. Number one. 510 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: Number two, I'm the only candidate running for a governor 511 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: that has a plan to lower the state income tax 512 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: to zero. I want to follow on Donald Trump's footsteps 513 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: by lowering taxes for every hard worker across the state. 514 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: Of a plan that would eliminate the state income tax 515 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: down to zero in less than five years. We have 516 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: to be so good. I s staate income tax in 517 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: the Southeast. Our cost of living is through the roof. 518 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: Everybody from New York and California's moving here. Good luck. 519 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: Getting a two bedroom condo would have cost you over 520 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: a million dollars in a lot of places in South Carolina. 521 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: It costs more for things here in South Carolina that 522 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: it does in DC and sometimes New York, depending on 523 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: what you're purchasing. So we have very high taxes here. 524 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: I want to reduce them. But also the justice system. 525 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: It's not just the federal government that has a system 526 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: of injustice, the state does. I talked to families of 527 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: murder victims, sexual assault victims, trafficking victims, you name it, 528 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: that have never gotten a fair shake. I had one 529 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: case come through this week and met with my office. 530 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: A man was at a wheelchair, was disabled in twenty seventeen, 531 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: murdered by a woman step fourteen times in the back. 532 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: He wasn't going to be able to get out the 533 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: wheelchair and defend himself, okay, And our attorney general was 534 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: said he was going to prosecute the case and bring 535 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: justice to this family. That was in twenty seventeen. It's 536 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. We're talking nine years, almost ten years, 537 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: no trial. That individual is walking free right down right now, 538 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: not behind bars, not in a mental health institution. But 539 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: it's like case after case after case where I see 540 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: people who've been wronged. And it's not just the Epstein case. 541 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: I think it's really emblematic that if you have wealth 542 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: and power and connections, you can get away with murder 543 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: in this country, but if you're just the rest of us, 544 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: you can't. And there's a two tiered system of justice, 545 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: one for the haves and one for the have nots, 546 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: one for the wealthy and powerful, one for everybody else. 547 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm running, because I'm going to fix 548 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: the broken system unlike anybody's ever seen before. It will 549 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: be fair, it'll be just, and it will be swift. 550 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: But what I love about what you've always done in 551 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: the capacity that I've known you in and we know 552 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: each other personally a little bit, but in the capacity 553 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: of what you do for a living, you've always just 554 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: told the truth. I can't remember any time where I say, well, 555 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: she kind of said she do this and she did 556 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: something else. That's not who you seem to be. If 557 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: you look at Virginia, the idiot that they just elected 558 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: governor there got into office. Ran is a moderate, Ran 559 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: is a right on some stuff, got into office and 560 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: became ma'mdanni all of a sudden, you know what I mean? 561 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: She got into office and raised taxes on twenty different things, 562 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: and the people of Virginia going, what the hell happened? 563 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: So how do you convince them that what you say? Again, 564 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: your track record says you're gonna do what you said 565 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: you were gonna do. But you're gonna be up against 566 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: somebody like the with your name Mickey, somebody over in 567 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: or is that New Jersey? I forget her name. I 568 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: can't think of it right now. The new Virginia governor who. 569 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: Works no one knows, So we won't say them. It's fine, I'm. 570 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: Gonna say I'm not going to say their names either. 571 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: But but the question is this, the progressives and the 572 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Marxists among us have become very good at lying about 573 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: being moderate. Like Mumdanni. Maumdanni is now quoting out of 574 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: the Quran in front of a in front of a podium, 575 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: a microphone and a camera and he's telling New Yorkers 576 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: we should follow Muhammed. So I mean, these people will 577 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: lie until they get the power. So are you up 578 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: against that now? In South Carolina? I'm guessing the progressive 579 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: movement is there too, and can you stop it from 580 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: from becoming something that that feeds on? Like they said 581 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: affordability in New York a lot Nancy and that, of 582 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: course he's gonna make it less affordable now, So are 583 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: they trying to do that where you are too? Or 584 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: is that it hasn't gotten there yet? 585 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: Well, both parties do that where I'm from. In fact, 586 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: one of my opponents two days ago her campaign tried 587 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: to say that I was as a survivor, I'm in 588 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: the Epstein files as a child rapist essentially. I mean, 589 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 2: like that's the Republican okay. I mean it's so it's absurd, right, 590 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: Like that statement from your campaign should be disqualifying for 591 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 2: you for running for governor, but it's not, okay. So, 592 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: like my perspective is I call it like I see it. 593 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: These people aren't telling the truth. And it's why I'm 594 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: so far ahead in the polls because people they may 595 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: or may not like my style. They may not I 596 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: may not like how I say some words sometimes, but 597 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: they know that I'm going to tell you the truth 598 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: and my results that I've delivered over and over and 599 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: over again is everything I told you I was going 600 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: to do. I did it. And that's to me that 601 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: that's why we're going to win. That's why I'm excited 602 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: about this race. And that's why I'm just kind of like, oh, 603 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: you lied about me in the press and some negative 604 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: story and the York mag I'm like, cool, But people 605 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: here know the truth because I'm from here. I grew 606 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: up here, I raised my family here, I went to 607 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: school here. My children are adults now, so I've been here, 608 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: you know, you know, such a long time, yea. And 609 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: people know me and they know my family, and they 610 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: know how hard I work and how much I love 611 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: the state, and it's people. 612 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Nancymakes dot Org. I want to ask you one last question. 613 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind, and I appreciate all the time. 614 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: You're a rape survivor. You're unafraid to talk about that 615 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: on television on my show from the House floor. Why 616 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: is it that people feel so comfortable attacking you as 617 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: a victim and trying to use that against you, Nancy. 618 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: I think it's worse for you than any other rape 619 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: victim that I've ever interviewed, that I've ever known, that 620 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: I've ever met. Why is it that they feel so 621 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: comfortable attacking you on something that was such a horrible 622 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: thing that happened to you? 623 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: You know, I asked myself this question frequently, and I 624 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: wish I had studied psychology, I had better understanding of 625 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: human nature. And I think that people will operate like 626 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: this out of fear, because they're not confident, they aren't 627 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: telling the truth, they are afraid of what someone might 628 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: think of them. I think it has to do a 629 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 2: lot to do with someone's insecurity and a lack of confidence. 630 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: And also, I think that there is a spiritual battle 631 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: right now. I think it's I think it's not on 632 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: the horizon. I think it's here. I think it's a 633 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: battle between good and evil. And I think there is 634 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: a lot of evil in the world trying to overpower 635 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 2: our savior, Jesus Christ, and you know, people that are 636 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: willing to do some and say some pretty heinous things. 637 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: And honestly, Joe, I think it's because I speak out. 638 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm loud. I think it's because 639 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: I tell the truth, and it's because I won't back 640 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: down and people are afraid of that. And I don't 641 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: quite understand it why I'm not allowed to tell the 642 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: truth and tell it is boldly and is loudly in 643 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: the way that others might do, but they don't get attacked. 644 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why it happens, And quite frankly, I 645 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: get energy out of it. I'm emboldened by it. I 646 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: know that I'm winning. The more that I'm getting attacked, 647 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: the more lies that are told, I know that I'm 648 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: winning better in the polls. And I even realize when 649 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: this is happening. And that's why I feel very cautiously 650 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: optimistic about the governor's race, because of what they're trying 651 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: to do to me right now. It's disgusting, it's absurd, 652 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: but it's why we're gonna win. 653 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: And I think you're right, and I hope that you do, 654 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: and everybody watching and listening in South Carolina make sure 655 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: you go and vote for Nancy Mace Nancy makes dot Org. 656 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: I'll finish with this. You just said that they want 657 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: They're saying it because you talk too much. They're not 658 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: going to make you shut up by calling you a rapist, 659 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're not going to make 660 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: you stop talking by saying that you're connected to Epstein somehow. 661 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: How dumb must you be? I mean, it's just not 662 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: very smart, are they. 663 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: It's a certain Literally, the lieutenant governor of my states, 664 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: her campaign, alleged that I am basically a child rapist 665 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: on the one year anniversary of my speech, my courageous speech, 666 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: right on the floor of the US House of Representatives. 667 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: That is how nasty the governor's race is, Like, look 668 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: at me and tell me as a survivor that I 669 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I can't even like I would cry, 670 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: I just uh, but I haven't because it's it tells 671 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: me that I'm winning, Yeah, not winning good by just 672 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: a little bit. I think we're winning by a bigger 673 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: margin than we realized because of the absurdity of the attacks. 674 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: And you know, quite frankly, she's a sitting lieutenant governor. 675 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: She should step down with lieutenant governor if she's gonna 676 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: make those kinds of claims that are absurd, that are 677 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: fall like, I just can't even what was she going 678 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: to say that Trump is a child rapist because his 679 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: name's in the files. Like I can't even I can't 680 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: even comprehend the evil, the evil it is operating in 681 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: a campaign or in an individual, in a person that's 682 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: going to make those kinds of claims about me and 683 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: as other survivors like me. I just it's it's wild, 684 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: it's insane, it's lunacy. 685 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: It's desperate, is what it is. I think it's desperate. 686 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I think you're kicking her ass hard enough that it's 687 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: desperate to go to nancymas dot org. Go and support candidacy. 688 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: There an amazing US representative. I hope that you're the 689 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: next governor of South Carolina. Come back on when you 690 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: start releasing more of this Epstein stuff. People are really 691 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: really want the interest. Thank you so much, Nancy, Thank 692 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: you so much. 693 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: John. 694 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk soon. We're back after this of 695 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the Joe Pack shows. Stay here,