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Speaker 1: And then I have Turku avchi as I said, a

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Speaker 2: Take a look, where are you from Turkey? You're from

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Speaker 2: Turkey and you live in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you Muslim? Yes, you are a Muslim Turkish woman

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Speaker 3: Because I wanted to study.

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Speaker 2: Here, So you came to Israel to study? But why

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Speaker 4: Because I was here on October seventh, and also before

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Speaker 3: I've been told.

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Speaker 2: And you're not Jewish and you're fight against anti Semitism. Yes,

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Speaker 2: What do you think about what's happening in Iran?

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Speaker 4: It's perfect and we should all take lesson from it,

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Speaker 2: Do you support the people of Iran?

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Speaker 1: Essentially it turned her world upside down. Her first hand

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Speaker 1: who is a Zionist. Is there any part of that

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Speaker 3: All true.

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Speaker 1: You must also be one of the bravest women alive.

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Speaker 1: Tell me your story. First of all, how you got

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. First of all, you're such a

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Speaker 4: When I have the arc moments, I always think women

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Speaker 3: She chose to speak truth.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so proud of her and I want to

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Speaker 4: We are really secular and we dedicate our life to

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Speaker 3: But I don't remember when I any moment that I

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Speaker 4: And I remember there are people who were shouting out,

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Speaker 1: Did you know? And that's that's, by the way, extraordinary

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Speaker 4: But this Thursday, last Thursday, I'm sorry, last Thursday morning,

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Speaker 3: And I did no crime, nothing.

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Speaker 4: I just said I'm a Zionist and I love Israel,

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Speaker 1: And you know what, let's not even I completely understand.

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Speaker 1: Let's not give them anything to use. You are so brave,

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Speaker 1: Let's not make it any harder for you. My last

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Speaker 1: the basis of that is an ability to tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: Now you've already passed with flying colors. I want to

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Speaker 1: you're already yards ahead. What is your dream one day?

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Speaker 1: What do you want to be doing in ten years time?

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Speaker 3: To be on debates. I think this is really impactful,

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Speaker 4: To be a strong Turkish woman and it's actually changing

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Speaker 1: You will be all of those things plus so much more.

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Speaker 1: And do you know what, my darling, look at what's

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Speaker 1: sooner than you think, God willing, and you will have

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