1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: of our republic. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: you're going to end up miserable. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: But if the most important. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: to college. You should get married as young as possible 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: and have as many kids as possible. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Go. Start at turning point you would say high school chapter. 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: up and become an activist. I gave my life to 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: made in my life, and I encourage you to do 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: the same. 19 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: Here I am Lord, Use me. 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And 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: also it's good to have like a balanced society because 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: then you're gonna get artists. You're also gonna get architectures, 35 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: You're gonna get engineers, You're gonna get all sorts of 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: different people that we need in society, because like, what's 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: the point in living if we don't have writers or artists. 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: You know? 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: So I just want to get your take on there. 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: The question is do the best writers learn to write 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: in college? Probably not, know. The best writers are gifted 42 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: writing and they learn to write by writing. And I 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: would just argue that this kind of holistic view you get, 44 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: for example, what are you studying? Can I ask economics? Okay, 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: so what do you think of Thomas soul. 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: I actually really like him. 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: I bought his book Basic economics or he's one of 48 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: the first economists. 49 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: Do they teach it here? Not yet? But also, okay, 50 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: say they're proving my point. 51 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: If you're studying economics and they're not teaching Thomas Soul, 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: you're not getting an education. You're getting in indoctrination and 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: you're being scammed. Okay, Milton Friedman, Do they teach Milton 54 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: Freedman here? No? 55 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: But I'm aware of him. Okay, Ludvi Van Misis, I'm 56 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: aware of him. 57 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: But no, Murray Rothbart hold On, no, f A Hayek, No, 58 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: Frederick Bastiatt. No, you're not getting economics education. You're getting 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: an indoctrination. You should know every single it's not your fault. 60 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: But what you're paying for or going into debt for, 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: is not a real economic education. Those are the people 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: that theorized about free markets, which is a legitimate school 63 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: of thinking, monetarism, private property rights, and the fact that 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: you and I'm not criticizing you, I mean criticizing the 65 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: institution that's failing you. That you don't know what these 66 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: people believe and you're not being taught that rigorously proves 67 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: my point that college is a scam. 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I've only been here like a semester 69 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 3: and a half. 70 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: But what do you know who John Maynard Kaines is 71 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: heard of him? Actually you did read about him a 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: little bit. 73 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're read about John Maynard Kaines, but you 74 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: were Kynes, yeah, in class class right. So that's my 75 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: point is that they'll teach you Knes, but they won't 76 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: teach you one out of the seven people that I 77 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: mentioned at Bosti at Hayek, von misis Rothbard, Soul or Freedman. 78 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: And that's that proves my point, which is that it's 79 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: all demand side. It's all one picture of an economic 80 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: argument that is not the complete picture of what Now 81 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe later on you'll get a supply side, you know, 82 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: economics teacher here. But this idea that you go to 83 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: college to kind of get your worldview liberated, You get 84 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: your worldview altered to be perfectly honest. Secondly, to your 85 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: point of earnings over a period of time. It matters 86 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: completely and solely on what you study. If you study 87 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: the liberal arts. Even after ten years, study came out 88 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: yesterday sixteen lowest paid majors happened to be some of 89 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: the highest majors that people actually go and study, which 90 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: is liberal arts, you know, sociology. God bless people that 91 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: do that stuff, I suppose, but you're also filled with 92 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: all of the woke rubbish that is infecting our society. 93 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: All right, I just want to talk to you about 94 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 5: that book. It's a good segue. 95 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: I'll get you read it. 96 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 5: No, okay, but I want your thoughts, like, face to face. 97 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 5: Why do you think college is again? 98 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so half of this audience, if you get a job, 99 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: will get a job that doesn't require a college degree. 100 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Forty one percent of kids that enter college will not graduate, 101 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: and the vast majority of kids sixty to seventy percent 102 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: that go to college, I believe, study things that are 103 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: completely worthless, meaningless and don't enrich society at all. 104 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 5: But is that the faults of this student or the 105 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 5: college Because I looked in the stats for this, it's 106 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 5: usually because they either don't have the finances to support 107 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 5: themselves going to college. They don't, they have mental health 108 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 5: problems that lead them to dropping out or stress, or 109 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 5: their families not supporting them. So is that the fault 110 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 5: of college that they pick bad degrees? Is that the 111 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 5: faults of the college that they can't support themselves. Right, 112 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 5: It's like getting a gym membership and then saying, well, 113 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 5: you know, well I don't want to actually go work out. 114 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: It's the fault of the gym. So a good question. 115 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: So first, the forty one percent of kids that drop out. 116 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: The federal government will fully underwrite any four year college 117 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: through fastook. You know that through a student loan, meaning 118 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: so if anyone has financial difficulty, that's not really a thing. 119 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: The federal government will fully grant you your loan to 120 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: any for university. Right, so you might have you might 121 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: not want to take on that student loan burden. You 122 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: might not want to take that on. But that's number one. 123 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: Number two, I can't speak to the mental health issues. 124 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: I doubt that forty one percent of the kids that 125 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: graduate in that number all have mental health issues. 126 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: But maybe that's the case. I'm not sure. I don't 127 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: know that number. But let's talk about the institution itself. 128 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: So everyone in the audience here, how many of you 129 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: have had to take classes that are a waste of 130 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: time that you wish you didn't have to take, that 131 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: are a waste of money, and that every single hand 132 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: goes up. Look around, look around, look around, look around. 133 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: They're scamming every kid in this audience. They are forcing 134 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: them to take classes that make them poorer, that take 135 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: up their time in order to get the credential. That 136 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: is a institutional scam. And by the way, every other 137 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: part of life is all about your own customization. Your 138 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: Netflix account, how you get your burrito bowl from, how 139 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: you dress your Amazon cart is. 140 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: You are in charge. 141 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: But you come to college and they say you must 142 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: go take these three, four or five classes that are 143 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: very expensive, especially for you out of state students, to 144 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: go further into debt, study things that don't matter, to 145 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: find jobs that don't exist. 146 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: That sounds like a scam, at least in my personal experience. Right, 147 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 5: Like maybe some colleges, I would say, what do you study? 148 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: I'm studying economics, right, Okay, And what I would say 149 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 5: is that I have a great levity and choices of 150 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: classes I want to take, even if like there's a 151 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 5: bunch of general education classes, I have a great flexibility 152 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: in the class I want to take. It's up to 153 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 5: the students if they want to take meaningless classes given 154 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 5: their credit limen. 155 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Okay, But I mean I would just speculate that this 156 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: school still has specific criteria of classes, right, am? 157 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: I correct? 158 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to take a diversity class. That sounds 159 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: like a scam book. They are robbing you to take 160 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: a diversity class. It's actually not what you typically think. 161 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: I think, I mean I'm taking Is it true? Do 162 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: you guys have to take a diversity class? 163 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 6: You know this is? 164 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: This is true? Oh? This is true? 165 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: All right, So that's a scam. Like, let's be clear, 166 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: diversity class scams? 167 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Can you define what a scam is? 168 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: When you are you are getting ripped off of your 169 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: with your money, your time, your resources, either beyond what 170 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: is a market rate or against your will. 171 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example. 172 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: If you guys want to fly to New York and 173 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Spirit Airlines says we're going to charge you two thousand, 174 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars for. 175 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: A one way ticket. 176 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: I think we all could agree flying Spirit Airlines for 177 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: two thousand, five hundred dollars. 178 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: Is a scam. Like you know it when you see it. 179 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on how you view the worth 180 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 5: of college. Like if you've the Federal the Federal Reserve 181 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: for sent Rinsis gave a released a news letter discussing 182 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 5: the actual finances behind IS college actually worth it, and 183 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: they found that by age forty you recoup all at 184 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 5: the average student recruits all their costs if they graduate, 185 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: if they graduate, and even accounting for that. Other economists. 186 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Also state no, So that's an important study. If you 187 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: take out the top ten percent, that's not the case. 188 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: So top ten percent of graduates and income earners. So 189 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: the top ten percent end up flourishing with a college degree. 190 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: The other ninety percent do not. Do you know that 191 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: there are eleven million job openings in this country that 192 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: pay seventy five thousand dollars a year, that requires six 193 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: weeks of training, that require muscular labor or using your hands, 194 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: eleven million job openings. Now, a lot of you guys 195 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: are in college because you've been pushed into college saying 196 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: that you must get the piece of paper. You might 197 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: get the piece of paper when there are very they're 198 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: good paying jobs, eleven million of them, but either your society, 199 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: your parents, or your own choices are no. 200 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: I want to go to college. I want to go 201 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: after that piece of paper. 202 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: My contention is that there are way better options out 203 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: there for a lot of students, not every student, but 204 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: almost a lot of other students. 205 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 5: Charlie, I think a part of your core rhetoric there's 206 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 5: actually some real truth there that. 207 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of. 208 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 5: There's people are getting really just pressure to go to college, 209 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 5: even if they'll make poor choices. I'm just saying that 210 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: even while you're in college, you can make better choices 211 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 5: to make yourself. 212 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: I totally agree. Do you think most people do? I 213 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: know some that are making great choices, something making terrible. 214 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: So let's think about this. 215 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Why do you think, let's just say most make terrible choices. 216 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 1: Would you say that's the case. 217 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: I'll give you forty to sixty. Why do you think 218 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: that is? 219 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: Maybe because the institution incentivizes bad choices. It's easy to 220 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: coast and still graduate. It's easy just to check the 221 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: boxes right. It's it's not an institution designed around excellence. 222 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: It's around let's get you through the mill as quickly 223 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: as possible. Get the piece of paper bill, thank you 224 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: very much. 225 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 5: But do you think that actual the culture around students 226 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 5: going to college could change instead around their decision making. 227 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: I think we need way less kids going to college. 228 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: The institution itself is so broken. Let's be clear. Force 229 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: diversity classes, DEI, all that stuff it's nonsense. If it 230 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: was really, college really should be closer to what Hillsdale 231 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: College is, which is about wisdom, beauty, truth, goodness, not 232 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: just about job preparedness. 233 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 2: But we've lost that completely. 234 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: If it's about doctors, lawyers, engineers and the skills, of course, 235 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: but you know that it's way beyond that. I mean, 236 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: people's going to not to pick on you, but you're 237 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: studying economics. 238 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: That's terrific. 239 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: That's a good reason to go to college. It's not 240 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: the best reason, I'll be honest, but it's a good reason, right. 241 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean, economics is a serious discipline. It's a real science. 242 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, we need people really rigorously studying that. 243 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 7: So if you're a parent, you don't need to be 244 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 7: told that online safety is important. That's why TikTok has 245 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 7: over fifty preset safety and privacy settings. 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There's a social impact about college about 263 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: on America. College is you know, good. 264 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: The majority of kids that go to college when they 265 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: graduate have a lower view of America than when they entered. 266 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a troubling thing. 267 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: I think just changing your opinion doesn't really matter too much. 268 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: Do you think that college teaches responsibility and hard work? 269 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: And sure? 270 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well I find that hard to believe. 271 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: Why is it that employers are more and more not 272 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: wanting to higher college graduates and they actually want to 273 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: hire people that didn't. 274 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Go to college. 275 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: What employers. 276 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: You can name them out. Man. 277 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Walmart just got rid of their even in their corporate levels, 278 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: say you don't need to go to college. Coke Industries 279 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: one of the largest employers in the country, from Georgia 280 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Pacific Railroad to Dow Chemical, they said, we no longer 281 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: want kids that have gone to college because they end 282 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: up causing problems because they're super entitled and they're like, oh, 283 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: what are my pronouns? And they have all this like 284 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: left wing nonsense that they've been filled with. 285 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: Well, then you have engineers, doctors, lawyers, people. 286 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: Sure we need that, but that's less than twenty percent 287 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: of the people that go to college. 288 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, but colleges to Shay College as a scam, but 289 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: twenty five percent of people become great people. No lawyers, doctors, engineers. 290 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: That's not what college currently is. 291 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Though, again I'm happy to have you read the book 292 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: College is a Scam. 293 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: I wrote it. 294 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: I can have a more worthy thing, which is the 295 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: vast majority of people to go to college are receiving 296 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: a scam for the money that they're borrowing. Vast majority. 297 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: That's just there's exceptions. You can make whatever you want 298 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: with your life. I mean you can, but I mean 299 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: when you enter into an enterprise to know that you 300 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: are going to maybe more money to How many do 301 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: you guys have to take classes that are waste of 302 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: time that you wish you wouldn't have to take every 303 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: single hand, You're being scammed against your will to take 304 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: classes that make you go further into debt. Why can't 305 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: you say I want to take this class? Why are 306 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: you using? Why is a customer? 307 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: You can't you do a differential equation? What can you 308 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: do a differential equation? 309 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Can I? 310 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: Do you explain me than anatomy of a human? 311 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: Uh? 312 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: Like someone off the top? 313 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: Psychology is yes, I do know what psychology? 314 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: I can you aid and I lend you to me? 315 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: Do you want me to explain psychology? 316 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: You can't explain it to the depths of a bachelor's 317 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: degree or a PhD. 318 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: Well hold on a second time out. 319 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: I've sat here with no notes, no phone and debated 320 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: people with PhD. 321 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 4: It's because it's your job. 322 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Hold on, I didn't go to college, man. That's the 323 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: point is you could do whatever you want without a 324 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: college degree. You could listen to podcasts, read books you 325 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: don't need to. 326 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: Gals, wasn't able to go to the University of gotten guide. 327 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: That's literally the reason I can't hear what you say? 328 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, galls right petition, Yes, it's vaguely sure, Okay, 329 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: vaguely yes, vaguely yeah. 330 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: Do you know who no Freeman is? Do you know 331 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: who Herbert Marcuse is? You know Thomas soul Is? 332 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: Do you use a phone? 333 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: Do you know who gibn or Morris is? You don't? 334 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: So I could do? Gotcha too? 335 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: Like you're trying to go into university? Is the reason 336 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: that he was able to become so proficient in mathematics. 337 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: So here, here's the change the world. 338 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: The majority kids that go to those people are more 339 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: addressed than when at degree, are able to get a. 340 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: Little form much better in their field than someone who doesn't. 341 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: Well, then if that's the question, if that really is true, 342 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: if college is this amazing accelerant, then why do so? 343 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: But if you're looking at it, let me science finished, man, 344 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: and you want to serve you're not you need a degree? 345 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: All right? Let me let me make my point. 346 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: If that's the case, why do half of these kids 347 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: end up with anywhere between fifty to one. 348 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars in debt? 349 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: And they end up getting a job that says, oh, sorry, 350 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: you never needed the degree in the first place. 351 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: Why is that the case? 352 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: Tell me people on average, once going to college make 353 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: more money. 354 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: Well, that's not true. They end up getting a job. 355 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: That's only if they graduate in the and it depends 356 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: on the field to study. Do you know the average 357 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: college graduate now is getting a job at sixty one 358 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. The average plumber after eighteen months 359 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: sixty eight thousand dollars a year. 360 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: The average twelve seventy. 361 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: Two thousand dollars a year with peers. 362 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: The plumber didn't go to college. The plumber went to 363 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: trade or technical school. There's eleven million job openings that 364 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: do not require a college degree in this country. 365 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: Eleven year million plumbers use I'm sorry, what who engineered 366 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: the stuff? Plumbers use? 367 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure someone here. 368 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean that it's like someone with the saying who 369 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: designed the airplane for the pilot to fly? 370 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: I mean someone with a degree that went to college knowledge. 371 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: I think you're misunderstand I'm saying. 372 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you get rid of all places of 373 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: higher learning the way it's currently comprised for you guys, 374 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: the amount of debt you have to go into the class. 375 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: You say, don't g rid of places of higher learning, 376 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 4: but then you're going to rough every fifteen seconds. 377 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: You're not debating in good faith because it is a scam. 378 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Can you point 379 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: to other things of American life the last hundred years 380 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: that have been scams? For example, when someone they run 381 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: an advertisement they say buy these pills because you know 382 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna make you super muscular, and they don't have 383 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: all the fine print that it might not work and 384 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: you have to have a monthly subscription. 385 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: We shut down that business for being. 386 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: Scam different though, that's how it was a different home. 387 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: On a second, when you show up to college, did 388 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: they tell you have to take all these classes that 389 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: you didn't sign up for? Did they they said that 390 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take all these different classes? Do 391 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: they tell you that half of you guys would not 392 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: ever use your degree when you go into your career. 393 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: How many guys knew that You guys knew that when 394 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: you signed up. Well, colleges, what you guys are willingly 395 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: participating in the scam? 396 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: Good for you. 397 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: The point is this is that most kids know deep 398 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: down they're getting ripped off. The number one thing I 399 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: hear from people across the country in corporate America, Boy, 400 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: college is a waste of time. Boy, I wish I 401 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: never would have gone. Now I have sixty thousand dollars 402 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: a debt, seventy thousand dollars in debt. I wanted to 403 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: start a business, but now I don't have the credit 404 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: to do it. Instead, we are wasting our most prized possession, 405 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: our eighteen to twenty two year olds, to go stick 406 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: them at many universities when they shouldn't be in the 407 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: first place. And it is a failed project. It is 408 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: making us poor. It is making and by the way, 409 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: just look at the actual numbers over a period of time. 410 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: Has it worked. Is home ownership now going up for 411 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: young college grads? 412 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 4: Are we're gonna blame that on college though there's a 413 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 4: lot of different it. 414 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Is the most golf it's the most equally applicable thing 415 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: across the board for a generation. And if you look 416 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: at the average, how much debt do you have to 417 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: go to school? 418 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: By the way, none? None? Okay? Wow? Are you on 419 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: scholarship or yeah? Okay? So who's paying for your college? 420 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 4: Then probably the federal government. 421 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm paying for your college, is what you're saying. 422 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: My taxes are paying for your college. So do you 423 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: have a you're on grant or what. 424 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 4: I'm not going to discuss my college finances. 425 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: Well, now this is really important. This is why you're 426 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: so defensive of college. This is why you're so forceful 427 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: because you don't have to walk aroun on the rest 428 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: of your life with one hundred thousand dollars student own 429 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: that plenty of people going to go to This explains 430 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: you perfectly. I the taxpayer, when I write my check 431 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: to the irs, I'm subsidizing your ability to go to college. 432 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: Okay, yours, I also give money for people to go 433 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: to college. 434 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: You should have skin in the game. You should, and 435 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: you don't right now. You are doing a free loading thing. 436 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 4: Of course you should be defined pay taxes. I pay 437 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: federal taxes, I pay stay taxes. 438 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure I pay a little bit more than you, 439 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: but that's a separate issue. But the point is this 440 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: is probably do you think you pay anywhere close to 441 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: the tuition value you get at the school? 442 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: Probably not? 443 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably I do. It's like five thousand a semester. 444 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: It's a lot of money, but you get a lot 445 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: out of that. Hold on, how much is it to 446 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: go to school here? It's around five thousand so in. 447 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: State, in state, Yeah, okay, included room and board and tuition. 448 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: No okay, how much is it? 449 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 4: Is it a room, board, tuition, all of it. It's 450 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: around eleven thousand. 451 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: Eleven thousand semesters. So you pay twenty two thousand dollars 452 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: a year in taxes? No okay, got it. So you're 453 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: you're in a tax deficit, which means the US tax 454 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: payer is subsidizing your education. That's fine, I'm not faulting 455 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: you for it. But this is why you're so defensive 456 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: is you're detached from the price. 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Let me prove it to you. 511 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: How many of you have to take classes that are 512 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: a waste of time that you wish you shouldn't have 513 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: to take? 514 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I rest my case. 515 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: How many of you guys know at least three people 516 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: at that went to this college previously and earlier. Okay, 517 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: the national graduation rate is forty one percent. Most people 518 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: to go to college do not graduate. You guys actually 519 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: go to a school that has a lot of applicability 520 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: in the job market outside of some of the majors 521 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: that are offered, but aeronautical engineering, computer engineering, which you know, 522 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: go go work for Elon and But so this this 523 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: school is actually a little bit more of the exception 524 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: than it is the rule. Because I think humanities are 525 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: largely one of the great wastes of time and kind 526 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: of societal poisons and cancers that are happening in our society. 527 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm happy to continue. 528 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. 529 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 9: So what do you recommend, like an eighteen year old 530 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 9: dude or a girl to do after high school? Yeah? 531 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: Turn up the volume? Can we try? I apologize? Sorry? 532 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna try, and I will come out there 533 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: and say hi to you guys in the second So yeah, 534 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go say how all of our friends 535 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: over there? So yeah, what do I what do I recommend? 536 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: It all depends on what you want to do. That's 537 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: the most The worst thing you can do is into 538 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: a four year a four year agreement where you have 539 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: to borrow a bunch of money, try to find your way, go, 540 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: take a bunch of classes that have very little relevancy, 541 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: and next thing you know, you end up with a 542 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: college degree and you end up getting a job that. 543 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: Doesn't require a college degree. Here's a fact. 544 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: Half of people that graduate college end up getting a 545 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: job that does not require a college degree ten years 546 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: after they graduate. That is the best argument I have. 547 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: It goes to show that diploma doesn't actually have I. 548 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 9: Mean, you're looking at engineering students you're looking at. 549 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Engineering is different finance students. I qualify students like that. 550 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 9: For example, I went to community college for two years, 551 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 9: and you know a lot of other people go to 552 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 9: community college. You get free community college for two years, 553 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 9: then you could transfer over and then two years at 554 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 9: a college like cal Poly or you know, a university. 555 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 9: And you know, the top five paying you know, jobs 556 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 9: out of college are accountants, engineers, teachers. 557 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: Try to get closer to the mics. So people getting teachers, engineers, 558 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: stuff like that. 559 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 9: And it's just you know, and then the guys, the 560 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 9: people that are wearing the shirts are actually in college. 561 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 9: So I'm just curious, like. 562 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: But you know, they know better than I do that 563 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: it's a scam. 564 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 9: Then, I mean, it's just someone like me, you know. 565 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 9: I think it just comes down to hard work ethic. 566 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 9: You know, like I don't understand, like not everyone's built 567 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 9: for the trades. Not everyone's built to go into construction 568 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 9: or you know, work as a painter or whatever they're 569 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 9: doing after college. A mechanic, yeah, exactly, you know, And 570 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 9: I just you know, a large majority of people going 571 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 9: into college out of high school. I think it's a 572 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 9: good choice for kids because they have four years to 573 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 9: develop as a human being versus just jumping into the 574 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 9: workforce that's making, making and making what thirty forty grand? 575 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: And you can't live off that right now? I mean, 576 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: are those folks over there developing as human beings? 577 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not talking about them, but hold on, 578 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 9: I'm talking about you know. 579 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: That's what college produces though, angry, bitter, resentful activists that 580 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: hate the country that's not developing, that's hardening and honestly creating, 581 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, a mobilization army for the radical left. 582 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: That's what we've seen. 583 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 9: You got your your major courses where you're taking you know, 584 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 9: I'm a realestate finance major, so I'm taking classes for 585 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 9: real estate finance, so i have an internships in real 586 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 9: estate finance. 587 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: It's great. 588 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 9: I'm not going into that field after college. But I'm saying, 589 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 9: you take classes at college to get a job after college, 590 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 9: and there's a most of the universities you get over 591 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 9: seventy five grand a year out of college. 592 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: If you do the route of two years. 593 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 9: At community college and transfer into it into a university, 594 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 9: you're able to pay off that debt, which is around 595 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 9: twenty k thirty k for school like this and go 596 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 9: to state school and then you're off to the racist so. 597 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: Aduay, forty one percent don't so because they shouldn't have 598 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: gone in the first place. 599 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: Then what do they do? 600 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 2: What do you do if it never should have gone? 601 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have eleven million open trade jobs 602 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: in this country. 603 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: Ye, here's the thing. 604 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: People do not want to work with their hands, and 605 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: parents don't want to send their kids to go work 606 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: with their hands because it's considered to. 607 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: Be dirty type label. 608 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: Well, eleven million job openings in this country that require 609 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: just a six month certification, whether it be auto mechanic, right, hvac, plumber, 610 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. 611 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: And it's not for everybody, But I mean, I get 612 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's just like. 613 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 9: Large majority of people in America right now don't are 614 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 9: just lazy. They're not going to be doing that after 615 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 9: high school. 616 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: Well, we agree, So does college make you lazier? Work 617 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: make you work harder? It makes you work harder. I 618 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: mean I work throughout college. 619 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: I work. You are the exception. 620 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: Then, because employers are disagreeing, they say, we've never seen 621 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: such lazy, entitled, narcissistic college graduates. In fact, most employers 622 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: say if you have a college degree, you're put in 623 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: a different category. They prefer people out of high school. 624 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: Unless you want to go work for Bank of America 625 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: and a soulist laptop job for the rest of your life, 626 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: and you know, go learn about how men can become 627 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: pregnant at some HR you know, department survey, you know, or. 628 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 9: You use your analytical skills that you use in school 629 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 9: to get a job that or six figures you don't. 630 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: You can develop analytical schools outside of college. I think 631 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: I think you're just I'm living through that. I think 632 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: you're just Yeah. I mean I almost dropped out too, 633 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: And I'm. 634 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Not saying it wasn't the right choice for you. But 635 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: more times than not, kids are deceived and lied and 636 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: they have tons of animosity because this school is unique. 637 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: If you go to UCLA or if you go to 638 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: UC Berkeley, you're not left with thirty thousand dollars in debt. 639 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: You're left with one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in debt. 640 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: Right. 641 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 7: I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death 642 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 7: of recess, it stopped me in my tracks. This isn't 643 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 7: about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern 644 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 7: American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed. It 645 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 7: was standardized and centralized. And once you see who built 646 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 7: it and who protects it, everything clicks. Billions of dollars 647 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 7: are flowing through education bureaucracies every year, test scores collapse, 648 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 7: and somehow the answer is always more money and less 649 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 7: parental authority. The documentary breaks down how organizations like the 650 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 7: NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, 651 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 7: and why something as basic as recess movement, freedom, childhood, 652 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 7: you know, had to go. That's not random, that's systemic. 653 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 7: Institutions protect themselves. They do not protect your kids. And 654 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 7: that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studio streaming platform 655 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 7: Angel Guild. Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that 656 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 7: challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them. So 657 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 7: right now, go to angel dot com slash Charlie and 658 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 7: watch Death of Recess right now. If you're a parent 659 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 7: or plan to be, you need to see this. That's 660 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 7: Angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess. 661 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: If you feel as if there's a massive amount of 662 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: injustice in the world. There's a lot of truth to 663 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: the argument that you, as a young person, have been 664 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: lied to and misled and that you have been told 665 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: to do things that are not in your best interest, 666 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: one of them being having to go to college to 667 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: succeed there. I do not believe that a majority of 668 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: young people should be going to college. In fact, I 669 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: think that college is largely a scam. And I'll prove 670 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: it to you. How many of you have to take 671 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: classes that you are forced to take that have no 672 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: relevancy to eat orgree a major and you wish you 673 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to think? 674 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: Get every hand goes up. 675 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Right, And so the idea that just a piece of 676 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: paper is going to be able to grant you access 677 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: to society is a highly questionable one at best. And 678 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: so how many of you know someone that dropped out 679 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: of college? 680 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: Raise your hand? Yet almost every hand goes up. 681 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: You're being forced to take classes that really have no 682 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: relevancy to your future, whatever that might be. And you're 683 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: also simultaneously then knowing that people are dropping out at 684 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: a record rate. Ask yourself the question, why is this 685 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: the case? And so, but this is something I want 686 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: to try to just hopefully find some common ground on one, 687 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: which is the following, which is that if you feel 688 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: as if kind of the game has been rigged against 689 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: you as a young person, you're not totally wrong. There 690 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: is a understandable anger that begins to set in. 691 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of you feel this way. 692 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: As if I've done everything I've been told to do 693 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: and I do not get the same shot at the 694 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: American Dream or at flourishing that my parents did. And 695 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: I will say that we could talk at length about 696 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: what to do about that. But I think that there 697 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: is a there's a critique out there by some conservatives 698 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: that all young people are lazy and all that I 699 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: don't I don't believe that. I think there's plenty of 700 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: lazy young people. There's lazy people in every age group. 701 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that millennials and Gen Z are generally lazy. 702 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: I think that they've been they've done everything they've been 703 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: told to do, and now they're looking at their life 704 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: when they're twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven and 705 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: they're like, wait a second, I follow the rules. So 706 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: my message is understanding that critique, let's try to turn 707 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: some of that cynicism into hope, into a country that 708 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: could be, you know, something you could buy into, something 709 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: you could do in your own life to actually find 710 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: meaning and purpose. 711 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: Because cynical people. 712 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Do really bad things they do over time, cynical politics 713 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: is not good for society. You get very radical political 714 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: movements when you start to be cynical about everything. And 715 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: guess that's what I have to wrestle with this myself. 716 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm cynical about a lot, but instead I have to 717 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: go through the process of stopping the cynicism and saying, 718 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: wait a second, what do I believe? What's the country 719 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I want to live in? What can I do actually 720 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: hopefully get an optimistic, hopeful message out because the politics 721 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: of cynicism is bad for everybody. If you think things 722 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: are always constantly falling apart and there's no resolution, there's 723 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: no way to try to solve it, then by definition, 724 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: what comes next is either going to be an authoritarianism 725 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: or anarchy, one of the two, and one will lead 726 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: to authoritarianism. 727 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: Right. 728 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: Anarchy does not last, it doesn't. Anarchy happens and then 729 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: an authoritarian person takes over. And you saw this in 730 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution when people get hyper 731 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: cynical about the political process. They're willing to give their 732 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: political power to a Napoleon or Vladimir Lenin or whatever. 733 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: I don't want that. 734 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: You don't want that either, And so if you're feeling 735 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: as if the game has been structured against you, I 736 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: want to just say, there's a lot of truth to 737 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: that argument. And conservatives don't always talk like this. Conservatives 738 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: will usually say work hard, study harder, live by the rules. 739 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: I agree with all those things, by the way, I 740 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: think there can be a little bit more grit in 741 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: this generation and all that. But I think it would 742 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: be unfair and not true to act as if right 743 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: now a twenty year old that you see Berkeley has 744 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: the same set of circumstances that someone in the year 745 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and. 746 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: Four head here. 747 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: This is not true, and the lack of recognizing that, 748 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: I think is some that creates even more cynicism and 749 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: more anger. 750 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 6: What exactly do you mean by college as a scam? 751 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: Good question. I wrote a whole book about it. 752 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Largely the value proposition that you are being offered is 753 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: not worth the time or the money that many of 754 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: you are forking over. There's exceptions to that, generally, But 755 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: for example, the vast majority of students that graduate from 756 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: four year college, they'll end up getting a job if 757 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: they get a job at all in a career, or 758 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: a job that doesn't require a college degree. So henceforth 759 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: asking the question why do they go to college in 760 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: the first place? 761 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 6: Ok Now, what do you mean about jobs that don't 762 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 6: require a college degree. 763 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: Like working at Starbucks as a barista? 764 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 6: Okay, so what exactly do you mean by the value 765 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 6: proposition not being sufficient for the cost of going to college? 766 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean going thirty forty fifty thousand dollars 767 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: into debt. That's a significant thing, and hopefully if you're 768 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: going to do that, you're going to be able to 769 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: prove and have some value for that reason. So, for example, 770 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: there was a study that came out in the last 771 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: day the sixteen lowest. 772 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: Paying job majors, and the. 773 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: Vast majority of those are actually what kids study in college, right, communications, 774 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: liberal arts, things of that nature. And so the question 775 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: is why even go to college at all if you're 776 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: just basically getting a credential that is worth less and 777 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: less money in the marketplace. Now, if you study engineering, 778 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: if you study finance, terrific. But the scam also is 779 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: just beyond the financial value proposition. It's the ideological pollutants 780 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: that are spread on college campuses and the let's just 781 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: say some of the left wing doctrination that occurs here 782 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: as well. 783 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 6: Okay, So moving aside from that red herring there, I 784 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 6: myself am a communication major, and I am very well 785 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 6: aware of the communication majors who just take a four 786 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 6: year degree and go into jobs that either don't require 787 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 6: a degree or as. 788 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: Close to the mikeuz panas, Ok, thank you, it's okay. 789 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, But anyways, I'm aware of the communication majors who 790 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 6: only get a bachelor's degree and if they're lucky, they're 791 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 6: only able to get research assistant jobs in communication, or 792 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 6: not even get a job that requires a degree at all. 793 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 6: But would not those who continue on to get masters 794 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 6: and doctorates in communication, who get hundreds who get a 795 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 6: one hundred thousand dollars a year or two hundred one 796 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year research jobs. Would that not counteract 797 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 6: the total economic associate economic value of those who just 798 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 6: go into college and then end up Starbucks baristas potentially? 799 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 800 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean also, master's degrees are expensive right, PhDs are expensive, 801 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: so you're looking at least at one hundred and fifty 802 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars in debt minimum. If you're going 803 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: to do that, and if that's the path you want 804 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: to take, so be it. But there are eleven million 805 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: job openings in the country right now that pay eighty 806 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in more that don't require a college degree. 807 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: Eleven million job openings. And I don't think we're always 808 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: telling our young people, you know, the next generation, that. 809 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 2: These jobs are available to you. 810 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: It's an expectation that you go to four year college, 811 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: and in fact, you're treated and almost considered to be 812 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: dumb if you don't go to four year university. And 813 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: I think that's a big mistake, and not to mention 814 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: the vast majority of forty one percent of kids that 815 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: enter college you're not graduate. 816 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: There's something deeply wrong with the system. 817 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 6: So from what you're telling me though, that point it. 818 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 6: From what you're telling me, though, it sounds more like 819 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 6: the problem lies not in college itself, but rather the 820 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 6: individual paths that people choose, who look at a situation, 821 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 6: make the wrong decisions, don't stay in school as long 822 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 6: as they need to in order to get the career 823 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 6: that they want. 824 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: Or they drop out because they don't see the value. 825 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: They drop out because they don't think it's worth their time. 826 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: And again half of this audience, after ten years, if 827 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: they get a job, they'll end up getting a job 828 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: that didn't require them going to college in the first place. Half, 829 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: that sounds like a scam. Why are they here in 830 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: the first place. Why are they borrowing all this money 831 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: and spending four years on a university just to go 832 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: get a job that never would have required them to 833 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: get the degree or the debt or the four years. 834 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: Being spent on campus. Thanks to the time, I appreciate it. 835 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: Thank you. 836 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you 837 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 5: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.