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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everybody.

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Speaker 3: We are monitoring the first day of the preliminary hearing

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Speaker 3: in the State versus Tyler Robinson, and there was a

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Speaker 4: I mean, we just we told you last week we're

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Speaker 3: Also, Judge Graff has entered in a picture for evidence

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Speaker 5: I am here, I'm here, so sorry or we weren't

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Speaker 5: able to do video today. But but that's okay. It's

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Speaker 5: better they're staring at you anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's great. I appreciate it, Jay.

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Speaker 3: I know we've been it's very difficult to kind of

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Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. One from the prosecution perspective,

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Speaker 5: You mentioned. I heard a rifle shot and why do

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Speaker 5: you say that, Well, because a pistol a firearm, they

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Speaker 5: So defense is going to make this laborious. The thing

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Speaker 5: So we would just waste it another twenty minutes because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so do you think that this is just

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Speaker 5: And uh, and that's the whole that's the tactic I've

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Speaker 5: seen it done over and over again. There's nothing new here.

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Speaker 5: The evidence is overwhelming against Tyler is in the indictment, right,

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Speaker 5: Well, I am I am surprised frankly that they didn't

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Speaker 4: They say they plan for this to take about the week.

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Speaker 5: maybe poison the jury pool. Maybe that's the only tactic

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Speaker 4: Well, so you say they could get it all done today.

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Speaker 5: If I'm the state at this point, every piece of

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Speaker 5: So I'm not pulling punches if I'm the prosecution at

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Speaker 5: guess what your guy is gonna look like? The most

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.

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Speaker 3: So you think the tactics here then, And maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: So that because the internet does what the Internet does

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that I mean, you look, all these strategies

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Speaker 5: From the defense perspective, defense lawyer's perspective, everything they do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you sort of like don't have

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Speaker 7: People keep speculating that the defense might.

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Speaker 4: Be hoping on can we get a weirdo on the jury,

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Speaker 4: who's just going to who'd be open to thinking Israel

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Speaker 5: Well perhaps, I mean, you do broaden the pool. The

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Speaker 7: I mean, you see it. I was messaging a friend

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Speaker 7: of mine.

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Speaker 4: It's a little remarkable obviously it's such a high profile

439
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Speaker 4: case than when you see these police officers being asked,

440
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Speaker 4: what were you on campus for? Oh, there was a

441
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Speaker 4: guest speaker that day. Do you know the name of

442
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Speaker 4: that guest speaker?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, and they are really they're laying that all out.

446
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Speaker 4: But this gets back to you want to make sure

447
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Speaker 4: everything is entirely by the book as this goes through,

448
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Speaker 4: precisely because it's so high profile, precisely because there are

449
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Speaker 4: people who will seize on literally anything they possibly can

450
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Speaker 4: to we believe, help help the person we believe is

451
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Speaker 4: guilty escape yet full culpability.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it's the the sort of procedural nature

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Speaker 3: of it is fascinating to watch. Actually, you know, so

454
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Speaker 3: you've got officer Bagley, so he says, yeah, I signed

455
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Speaker 3: up for an overtime shift for this for this event.

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Speaker 3: And the way that they have the exhibits so that

457
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Speaker 3: they're not displayed publicly.

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Speaker 2: I think this is an.

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Speaker 3: Interesting clip to show just to kind of go through

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Speaker 3: the way that, you know, the step by step process

461
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Speaker 3: that has to be followed here based on Judge Graft's instructions.

462
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Speaker 3: So he actually has to get off the witness stand

463
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Speaker 3: to go in point where he found the screwdriver, so

464
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Speaker 3: you don't actually get to see it, but he's off

465
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Speaker 3: camera pointing to it. Let's let's go out and play

466
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Speaker 3: it just as a good example. It's not twenty three.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead and publish Exhibit three point one, Officer Badley,

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Speaker 6: So you testify that this is the screw driver as

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Speaker 6: you saw it on September tenth, twenty twenty five. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to.

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Speaker 9: And this was on top of which roof Lowsie Building,

472
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Speaker 9: and in.

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Speaker 6: Relationship to the entrance that the stairway and when you

474
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Speaker 6: hopped over the rail to get there.

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Speaker 9: Where it wasn't located about ten or fifteen feet in. Okay,

476
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Speaker 9: if I.

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Speaker 6: Could your honor bring up State's exhibit number two that

478
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Speaker 6: was previously admitted. I would like to have Officer Bagny

479
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Speaker 6: come down from the witness stand and point on that

480
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Speaker 6: exhibit where approximately where this screwdriver was located. So if

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Speaker 6: you can describe where you saw that screwdriver, point to that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so this is the Loacie building right here with

483
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Speaker 9: the light gray.

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Speaker 3: Here's the guardrail in the center of the picture with

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Speaker 3: the red brick just over that about ten to fifteen

486
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Speaker 3: feet in out right there.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: You can take your seat again.

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Speaker 2: So that was interesting.

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Speaker 3: The other the I think that's just a good example

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Speaker 3: of how he has to we have to navigate these

492
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Speaker 3: exhibits so that they're not published. Just a quick programming

493
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Speaker 3: note for anybody watching on the stream. We have je Metcalf,

494
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: Austin Metcalf's dad just about to join us, and I

495
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Speaker 3: know he's got some words of encouragement for Erica, you know,

496
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Speaker 3: speaking of which, there's an interesting report here. I'll try

497
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Speaker 3: and get the graphic for everybody here. This is a

498
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Speaker 3: I've confirmed that this is actually a reporter inside the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: Here there's I guess this is Let me get the

500
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Speaker 3: name of this reporter. Senior national correspondent for News Nation,

501
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Speaker 3: Brian Enton if you could throw that graphic up when

502
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Speaker 3: you get it, just like a screen grab of the tweet,

503
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Speaker 3: but he said seen from inside the Tyler Robinson courtroom,

504
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Speaker 3: Erica Kirk was crying before the hearing started. Donald Trump

505
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Speaker 3: Juniors in the front row with his wife. Tyler Robinson

506
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: was laughing with his attorney before the hearing started. Erica

507
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Speaker 3: left during the description of the show shooting. So, I mean,

508
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Speaker 3: I just think it's like important just to kind of

509
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Speaker 3: understand that this is you know, there's a lot of noise,

510
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of attention on this, there's a lot

511
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Speaker 3: of you know, back and forth. I'm sure some of

512
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Speaker 3: you have seen my my Twitter back and forth with

513
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Speaker 3: Candace or Blake's all that's noise, because actually, what is

514
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Speaker 3: really important here is the fact that these are human

515
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Speaker 3: beings that are dealing with this awful experience. And I

516
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Speaker 3: just can't imagine being in that courtroom right now, and

517
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Speaker 3: the fact that Erica has to do that and be

518
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Speaker 3: in front of all those people for something she is,

519
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Speaker 3: I mean, she's a victim here. And you know rob

520
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Speaker 3: and Catherine Kirk, Charlie's parents as well.

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Speaker 4: And we should know we've seen Erica has never seen

522
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Speaker 4: a video of the shooting, She's never really listened closely

523
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Speaker 4: to a description of it. She does avoid doing that,

524
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Speaker 4: and so when he says she walked out, she's walking

525
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Speaker 4: out because the officer's describing.

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Speaker 7: What he saw and what happened, and that's still very

527
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Speaker 7: challenging for her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and I believe we have our guest is

529
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Speaker 2: just about ready. Jeff Metcalf.

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Speaker 3: Again, I reached out to Jeff because there's very few people,

531
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Speaker 3: especially in sort of the more recent you know, days

532
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Speaker 3: and weeks and months, that could relate to.

533
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Speaker 2: What Eric is going through.

534
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Speaker 3: And Rob and Catherine, of course, Charlie's parents more than Jeff,

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Speaker 3: and so Jeff Metcalf. Austin Metcalf's father joins us. Now, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the show, and thank you so much for

537
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Speaker 3: making the time. And I see you're wearing a beautiful

538
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Speaker 3: shirt there.

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Speaker 9: Sir, Thank you, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, with you, it's.

541
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Speaker 3: Kind of easy because I'm not talking about details of

542
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Speaker 3: the case. I'm not talking about procedural, you know, elements

543
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: that the lawyers are throwing out there. I just want

544
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Speaker 3: to hear from you, and I'm sure Erica and Rob

545
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: and Catherine, Charlie's parents would love to hear from you too,

546
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Speaker 3: because you've been through something terrible and tragic and awful,

547
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Speaker 3: and you've experienced the crazy media attention and the social

548
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Speaker 3: media of it all, and you know you were a

549
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Speaker 3: victim because you lost your son and you had to

550
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Speaker 3: go through hell to get justice for him. And so

551
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Speaker 3: the floor is yours, sir. We'd love to hear what

552
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Speaker 3: you What you want to tell Erica, what you want

553
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Speaker 3: to tell Rob and Catherine in this moment.

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Speaker 8: Well, first, my condolences go out with them, says, There

555
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 8: aren't really words that can make you feel better, but

556
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Speaker 8: knowing that someone has gone through and understand maybe what

557
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 8: you're feeling gives you a little bit more comfort when

558
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Speaker 8: it comes from them.

559
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 9: But just tell them, you know.

560
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Speaker 8: I know they're strong in their faith, so am I.

561
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Speaker 8: And that's what's gotten me through so far. From me,

562
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 8: but sitting in that courtroom for the first time ever,

563
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 8: facing the person that's accused of murdering you know, either

564
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 8: your spouse or your child, it takes a range of emotions.

565
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Speaker 8: It's a roller coaster ride while you sit there, and

566
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Speaker 8: to be able to maintain and keep your thought process

567
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Speaker 8: coherent is very challenging at the least. There's a million

568
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Speaker 8: different emotions that pulls you one hundred different ways. You know,

569
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Speaker 8: there's the human side of you that that sits on

570
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Speaker 8: your shoulder and whispers in.

571
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Speaker 9: Your ear the things you really don't want to hear

572
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Speaker 9: or shouldn't hear.

573
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Speaker 8: And then there's the little guy on this side of

574
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Speaker 8: the shoulder whispers in your ear and tells you what

575
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Speaker 8: you should do and what you shouldn't do, and what

576
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Speaker 8: you and who you try to be. And it goes

577
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Speaker 8: back to an old Indian story about the young lad

578
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Speaker 8: who asked the chief, you know what's.

579
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Speaker 9: Inside of us?

580
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Speaker 8: And he said, well, there's two wolves that live inside you,

581
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Speaker 8: and one live is full of hate, anger, fear, and

582
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Speaker 8: the other one is love, compassion, kindness. And the young

583
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Speaker 8: Indians said, well, which one wins? And he said the

584
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Speaker 8: ones you feed the most. So it's the same thing

585
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Speaker 8: with emotions. When you have like for forgiveness for me

586
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Speaker 8: people when because this is what happened when Erica stood

587
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Speaker 8: up there and said she forgave him, that was the

588
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Speaker 8: same exact thing I did. And my phone started blowing

589
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Speaker 8: up because they're like, oh my god. You know, she

590
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Speaker 8: just forgave him, just like you. And I said, people

591
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Speaker 8: don't understand forgiveness. Forgiveness is for me, so I don't.

592
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Speaker 9: Carry hate, anger, revenge in that inside of me.

593
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Speaker 8: You have to let that go and rely on your

594
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Speaker 8: faith because it says vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

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Speaker 9: So I mean you can, you can go scriptural, but realistically, for.

596
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Speaker 8: Your mental health, you really need to learn how to

597
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Speaker 8: let that go so you don't carry it around so

598
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Speaker 8: it won't eat you up like cancer. And that's the

599
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Speaker 8: reason I was able to forgive so fast, because I

600
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Speaker 8: know what I needed to do for me as a Christian,

601
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Speaker 8: and it doesn't make me any more or better or

602
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Speaker 8: less of a Christian because at this point, even my

603
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Speaker 8: son cannot forgive him for what he did.

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Speaker 9: And I told him that's fine, you don't have to.

605
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Speaker 9: But this is a personal choice for me and a

606
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Speaker 9: personal choice with my faith that this is the path

607
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Speaker 9: that I choose to go.

608
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Speaker 3: Now.

609
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Speaker 9: I don't forgive this person for actions.

610
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Speaker 8: I mean I have to forgive him and hope to

611
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Speaker 8: God that he can repent and find Jesus Christ as

612
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Speaker 8: a savior. Doesn't take the fact the way that he

613
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Speaker 8: murdered my son doesn't take the fact away I'm still

614
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Speaker 8: human to have emotions. Don't think I'm not angry, don't

615
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 8: think I'm not sad, don't think I don't cry.

616
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Speaker 9: I mean, all these things are true, but to make

617
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Speaker 9: it the final.

618
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Speaker 8: Destination of where I know I'm gonna end up beside

619
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Speaker 8: Austin at some point and then he can tell me

620
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Speaker 8: why the understanding because I don't have understanding at this moment.

621
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Speaker 8: I just have to trust God's plan because I don't

622
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Speaker 8: understand why he needed my son at seventeen. But I'm

623
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Speaker 8: also very aware there's evil in this world and it

624
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 8: does exist. And like I've always said, light always overcomes darkness.

625
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Speaker 8: So no matter what I've learned to try to tell myself,

626
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Speaker 8: this is only temporary. Whatever's happening to me is only temporary.

627
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 8: You will get through it because a saying I came

628
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 8: with a long time ago is if God brought you

629
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Speaker 8: to it, he can bring you through it. So I

630
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 8: have no idea what God has planned for me. I

631
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 8: sure didn't see this coming at all, but it does

632
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 8: reshape you. It does break you down, and it does

633
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 8: you become someone different because you're never going to be

634
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 8: the person you were before that person.

635
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Speaker 9: Is gone, and you have to learn how to live.

636
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Speaker 8: And I don't want to say a new normal because

637
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 8: I hate that phrase because there's nothing normal about it.

638
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 9: But you have to learn how.

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Speaker 8: What I chose to do is one of the things

640
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Speaker 8: I've learned is instead of learning to learn how to

641
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Speaker 8: live without.

642
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 9: Him, I'm going to live for him. So I'm going

643
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 9: to keep his name out there.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to do you know, I'll probably form a

645
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Speaker 8: five OHO one three C three and get some nonprofit

646
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 8: and organization, uh you know, all in for also Metcalf

647
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 8: Foundation or something, because I want to keep it going.

648
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 9: I want to help people out there.

649
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 8: I want to be able to uh keep the message

650
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 8: alive because I think nowadays, in today's society, the youth

651
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 8: has no impulse control, UH, de escalation skills, conflict resolution skills.

652
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 8: I think some of these things need to be taught

653
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Speaker 8: early on, even in school. I think it could be

654
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Speaker 8: a curriculum. I would love to go around and speak

655
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Speaker 8: to high school and colleges and wherever would want to

656
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 8: hear me speak upon this. I would I would love

657
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Speaker 8: to be approached so I could spread the word and

658
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Speaker 8: do something like that.

659
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Speaker 9: I mean because right now.

660
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Speaker 8: At this point, I really don't have a clue what

661
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Speaker 8: I'm going to do next with my life, and I

662
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 8: just trust God that he's going to point me in

663
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Speaker 8: the direction, you know. I mean, yes, I'm a Yes,

664
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Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of Turning Point. Yes, I was

665
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Speaker 8: a big fan of Charlie Kirk. I mean, so, I

666
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 8: mean has nothing.

667
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Speaker 9: A lot of people will say, well, you know, well

668
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 9: he was racist. He was No, he wasn't.

669
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Speaker 8: No, he wasn't if you listen to him, just like

670
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 8: you know, I was taking out of context. People can

671
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 8: take snippets and then turn it into their narrative and

672
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 8: that's and that's totally unfair. And to to misrepresent someone

673
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 8: like that, I mean, really, what kind of person are you?

674
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 9: And what are you trying to achieve?

675
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 8: Are you just out there stirring the pot, trying to

676
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 8: get clicks, trying to make a living off social media

677
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 8: or TikTok?

678
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Speaker 9: I mean, are you do? Are you do? Are you

679
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Speaker 9: actually have value that you're putting out there or is

680
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 9: it really just crack?

681
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Speaker 3: Jeff, That's what I hear you saying, is you know

682
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: you're you want to take this tragedy and turn it

683
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Speaker 3: into and yeah, talked about talking on speaking on campuses

684
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: or at schools or whatever. You know, we'd love to

685
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: help you do that because I do think you have

686
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: a really important message to spread and and you know,

687
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: to live with that purpose, live for Austin. I find

688
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: so much of what you were just saying, you know, I,

689
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, Blake, and I lost somebody too, but not

690
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Speaker 3: on the level of you or Erica or Rob and Catherine,

691
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: but you know if I felt like I related to

692
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: it a lot as well, because you do kind of

693
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: realize that the life you had before all this happened,

694
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: it will never be the same, and you have to

695
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Speaker 3: live in our current moment, with our current reality. I

696
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: think that's something I've been reticent to accept. So even

697
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Speaker 3: hearing you say that was powerful for me to hear.

698
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Speaker 3: If you could go back in time and buy oil

699
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Speaker 3: before the world relied on it, would you? Of course

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Speaker 3: you would, anybody would, So why aren't you buying silver

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Speaker 3: make money, They got ahead of one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: economic shifts in history, and today a similar opportunity is

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Speaker 3: defend systems AI infrastructure in the massive data centers powering

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Speaker 3: that digital world. While demand keeps growing, it's still affordable

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Speaker 9: Oh. I mean, I'm just a normal guy. I'm a

718
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 9: vessel that God chooses to use however he sees fit.

719
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 9: I don't always agree or like it, yes, but.

720
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Speaker 8: You know, I trust him and He's He's putting things

721
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 8: in front of me that I need to be open

722
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: my eyes and be aware of, just as just as

723
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Speaker 8: this interview today.

724
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Speaker 9: I mean, I've always been a huge turning point. You

725
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Speaker 9: rsa fan.

726
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 8: I was a huge Charlie Kirk fan, and just to

727
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Speaker 8: be able to be on the show and talk and

728
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Speaker 8: and understand. You know, now, I'm not going to say

729
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 8: that my loss is the same as Erica's loss because

730
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Speaker 8: it's not.

731
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Speaker 9: Hers was a spouse, mine was a child.

732
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Speaker 8: But that doesn't take away from her loss or my

733
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Speaker 8: loss at all, because loss affects all of us differently,

734
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 8: just like grief affects all of us differently. And there's

735
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Speaker 8: no timeline, there's no instruction, but there's no getting over it.

736
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's that doesn't happen. And and the

737
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Speaker 8: worst thing someone can see, and I know they're always

738
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Speaker 8: trying to be nice, is you know how you doing?

739
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 9: Are you okay? Okay? To me, that's the dumbest question

740
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Speaker 9: in the world. Don't ever ask me that.

741
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 8: I'm like, seriously, just I understand you don't know what

742
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 8: to say. Just put your hand on my shoulder and pray.

743
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 8: I mean, you don't have to you don't have to

744
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 8: be Sometimes it's awkward for people. A bunch of my

745
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 8: friends even like, we don't know what to say to you.

746
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 8: And I said, you don't have to say anything. Just

747
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 8: come sit down beside me. That's all you have to

748
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 8: say a word. Just your presence tells me.

749
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Speaker 9: You're here for me.

750
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Speaker 8: That's all I need to know. There's no words that

751
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 8: are going to make me feel better. There's no words

752
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 8: that are going to make Erica feel better. That take

753
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 8: that healing, and that feeling better takes happens within us,

754
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 8: the person who suffered the tragedy.

755
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 10: Yes, we we you know.

756
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Speaker 8: I appreciate the condolences and the love and the support

757
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 8: throughout the nation, the world, the community, my friends, my family,

758
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 8: But you still have to go through the process.

759
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 9: You still have to greet.

760
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 8: Then there's five phases and and and they can raise

761
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 8: their head at any time, and I can be fine

762
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 8: for a week, and then a tsunami of emotion will

763
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 8: hit me just instantly. It could be a trigger of

764
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 8: a favorite song, or our favorite place, or our favorite food,

765
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 8: or just any little memory that can be triggered will

766
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 8: force you right back into that flow of emotions. Will

767
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 8: basically you lose it. You start crying, and you know, hopefully,

768
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 8: you know you're you're in somewhere a safe space, hopefully,

769
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Speaker 8: But truth of the matter is, you know you don't

770
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Speaker 8: control this.

771
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Speaker 9: And it's.

772
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Speaker 8: You. You try to learn how to deal with it

773
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 8: because you never know when it actually is going to hit.

774
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 8: So you just try to, you know, catch your triggers,

775
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 8: pray and you know, allow yourself to grieve. Don't try

776
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 8: to hold stuff in, let it out. If you don't,

777
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 8: I'll tell you, if you keep it inside, it's going

778
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 8: to eat you up like cancer, and you're gonna be miserable,

779
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 8: and you're gonna be bitter, and you're gonna carry grudges

780
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 8: and it's going to affect the way you raise your children,

781
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 8: the way your way, the way you talk to your spouse,

782
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 8: your boss, everything in life. You'll become a bitter, sour person.

783
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 8: And that's not who I want to become.

784
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 9: And yeah, I'm hurt. Yeah I'll never be the same.

785
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 8: But I think this also gives me the opportunity to

786
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Speaker 8: become better, be better than what I ever have been.

787
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 8: Now I've got the opportunity to even step up further.

788
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 8: Now I've got the opportunity maybe to help other people.

789
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Speaker 8: Maybe I can go around and speak to people they

790
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Speaker 8: can actually make a difference. Like and I'm not saying

791
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 8: I'm Charnie Kirk, but but along those lines, he went

792
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 8: around and spoke and made a difference.

793
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Speaker 9: You know, he was amazing individual.

794
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 8: I will never compare myself to him, I can only

795
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 8: admire from Afar and try to achieve, you know, half

796
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 8: the person he ever was. The man was just a

797
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 8: walking chat gpt full of knowledge and had words that

798
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Speaker 8: you you didn't you couldn't go up against. He made

799
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: too much sense. And that's what's the problem is for

800
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Speaker 8: the left he made he made common sense.

801
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Speaker 3: That's that's the best I've ever heard it. Actually, Charlie

802
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 3: made too much sense. He just made too much sense

803
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: for them.

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Speaker 6: You know.

805
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Speaker 3: And I love what you're talking about though, and I Blake,

806
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: I want to get you in here, but I just

807
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: feel like you're talking about.

808
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: This process of becoming. Right. You think about a story,

809
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: you know.

810
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: Whether it's a movie or a book or whatever, where

811
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Speaker 3: you know, the character has to become they're put through

812
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: this trial and they become something different, and you know

813
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: the character like you think about Jonah and the Whale.

814
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: Jonah didn't want to go, you know, to Nineveh. He

815
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: didn't want to know. He ran from God and he became.

816
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: But God forced him to sort of step into that calling.

817
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: Eventually he said yes to it.

818
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: And I think out of the boat.

819
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And there's a ton of biblical things and people.

820
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Speaker 8: I mean there's a ton David in the Lion and

821
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 8: Peter in the boat, you know, Lazarus back from the dead,

822
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 8: you know, Jesus wept. I mean, there's so much things

823
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 8: that that's in that in the Bible that, yes, you,

824
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Speaker 8: I choose to incorporate in my life. Charlie chose to

825
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 8: incorporate into his life. Now I'm not I'm not saying

826
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 8: other religions are bad or anything. It's just a personal

827
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 8: belief and who I want to be and who I

828
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 8: want to reach and anyone who has the same belief

829
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Speaker 8: as me, uh, that I can reach out to, maybe

830
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Speaker 8: I can help them or help someone in a situation

831
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Speaker 8: where I can somehow be helpful inspirational guiding.

832
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Speaker 9: You know.

833
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 8: I don't won't say knowledge, but maybe that you know,

834
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 8: gives shared knowledge just so they Maybe if I can

835
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 8: reach just one person, it's a success.

836
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 9: But obviously Charlie reached millions of people.

837
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 8: If I could do just a quarter of what he

838
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 8: ever did, I would be very happy. But you know,

839
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 8: I feel parallels along with him, is just wanting to

840
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 8: be out there, spread the word, you know, and have

841
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 8: a meaningful conversation without insults and hate.

842
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 9: And threats and violence and things like that.

843
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Speaker 7: Jeff, all of this has been tremendous and credible.

844
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Speaker 4: I want to speak to one specific parallel that exists

845
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 4: between you and Erica, which besides that you've lost a

846
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: loved one, besides that it's a very high profile case,

847
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 4: but that it's one that unfortunately we see hateful, gleeful

848
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 4: things posted online. We talked about what a lot of

849
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: supporters of your son's killer were saying online, posting videos,

850
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: TikTok and.

851
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 7: All of that, and we see similar things with that.

852
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: Here we had our young Women's leadership event and there

853
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: was a guy with a big paper mache head of

854
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: Charlie re enacting his death. We see people post about

855
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: how happy they are that Charlie's dead to.

856
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Meet Joseph as women's leaders.

857
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: And on the flip side of this, also, you don't

858
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: have this as much about the conspiracy theories about it,

859
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: where they say, actually Erica's not a grieving widow, she's

860
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 4: a fake widow. She conspired, she's helping cover up the

861
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: real killers. But you're the really the closest person we

862
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 4: have to someone who's dealt with something of this scale.

863
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: Do you have a message for Erica, how you would advise, Uh,

864
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Speaker 4: overcoming the feelings this is going to cause in her,

865
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Speaker 4: h ignoring it, getting past it, just any thoughts in

866
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Speaker 4: that vein.

867
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Speaker 8: Now, So for your for your mental health, Uh, you

868
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 8: need to stay you need to stay off social media.

869
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 8: You just need to stay away from all avenues that

870
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 8: want to spew this vile hatred, misinformation, total lies.

871
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 9: Same exactly. I still to this day, I still get

872
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 9: death threats and my family still gets death threats. Now,

873
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 9: this is a very small percentage of a certain subcultural

874
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 9: demographic that is causing these issues.

875
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 8: So realistically, if you're looking at the big picture of it,

876
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 8: they're really a small portion of people. But they're soulless,

877
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 8: they have no moral compass, they don't contribute to society

878
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 8: in an effective way.

879
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 9: All they want to do is obviously they don't have

880
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 9: enough life of their.

881
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 8: Own, but they want to get involved in yours and

882
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 8: just few hate based on maybe the color of your skin,

883
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 8: and that's it. And there was a man who said,

884
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 8: don't judge or judge a man bias character, not by

885
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 8: the color of his skin.

886
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 9: Pretty famous guy.

887
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 8: And I think that's a great statement because that's the

888
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 8: same way I look at people, I.

889
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 9: Don't judge you by color. I judge you by character.

890
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 8: And you know, and for those who maybe are younger

891
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 8: than me or didn't know who said this, Martin Luther

892
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 8: King is the man who made that quote famous, and

893
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 8: so like, again, this isn't a race thing, this is

894
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 8: a human being thing. Erica's husband was murdered, my son

895
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 8: was murdered. Those things are not going to change. To

896
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 8: accept to one, To just accept the fact is hard

897
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 8: enough because it does seem surreal the first few days

898
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 8: it's going on. It like you're in a dream and

899
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 8: it's not really happening, but it really is. And you

900
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 8: have to figure out how you're going to navigate this one.

901
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 8: Get some professional help, find a counselor find a grief

902
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 8: group something.

903
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 9: Just don't isolate. That is the worst thing you can do.

904
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 8: Get you a support network, learn what you know, Understand

905
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 8: what you're going to go through. It's not going to

906
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 8: help the pain, but it's gonna help with the understanding,

907
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 8: and that's going to help you navigate it.

908
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 9: It's not going to be easy. It's the hardest thing ever,

909
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 9: it's the most painful thing ever. But you have to

910
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 9: get through it.

911
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 8: Because I tell people you never know how strong you

912
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 8: are until you have to be, and then you're you

913
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 8: can actually surprise yourself.

914
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 9: Examples.

915
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 8: Ten years ago, I was diagnosed with stage four cancer

916
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 8: and they told me, Jeff, if it gets below your neck,

917
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 8: we can't save you.

918
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 9: You're dead.

919
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 8: I just got faced with immortality and I have two

920
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 8: seven year old boys hugging my legs Yell, yell, and.

921
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 9: Daddy, Daddy, please don't die. So I had to make mine.

922
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 8: It's a mindset, and I had to make a mindset

923
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 8: of Okay, I am not going to die. And it's

924
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 8: the same thing with this situation right now. I am

925
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 8: not going to let this beat me. I am going

926
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 8: to become something better out of this tragedy. I'm going

927
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 8: to create something for other people, hopefully to be better

928
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 8: out of this tragedy. And UH, it will carry my

929
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 8: son's name on, which is the which is the number

930
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 8: one thing that I really want to do, is carry

931
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Speaker 8: his name on.

932
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Speaker 6: Uh.

933
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Speaker 8: We already have a scholarship set up at the high

934
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Speaker 8: school for to give an athlete a scholarship, the Austin

935
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Speaker 8: Metcalf Scholarship.

936
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Speaker 9: Board every year. I'd like to I'd like to increase

937
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 9: that I'd like to grow that.

938
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 8: There's other charities I'd like to be involved in also,

939
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 8: and I'd love to I would love to speak and

940
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 8: go around and just be able to do that with

941
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 8: people and just spread and spread my story and hopefully

942
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 8: give people some sort of inspiration or some sort of

943
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 8: nugget they can carry on and just improve their life with.

944
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 8: Because we're all here for a short period of time,

945
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 8: Tomorrow's never promised, as I'm very aware of that now,

946
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 8: so live every day with purpose.

947
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948
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962
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Speaker 8: And now I feel like I have a purpose. I

969
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 8: had a purpose before, and it was being a foller.

970
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 8: I'm still a foller.

971
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 9: I have one in heaven. I have one still here

972
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 9: fixing and go to college.

973
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 8: So I still have responsibilities to my other side, who's

974
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 8: lived through the.

975
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 9: Most tragic event trauma. I can't even imagine. I can't.

976
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 9: I don't have a twin brother, and I sure can't

977
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 9: imagine seeing him being murdered and dying in my arms.

978
00:53:52,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: I it's okay, Jeff. You know his.

979
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 9: Hunter has been put through a lot. I mean, we

980
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 9: all have.

981
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 10: But you know he's my son, and as a parent,

982
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 10: you know you always want to protect your kids, and.

983
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 9: You know the stuff online. And let me say this

984
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 9: up front, this goes for both sides, not just my side.

985
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 9: I'm gonna make this perfectly clear.

986
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 8: The stuff that's going on online, the memes, the pictures,

987
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 8: the vile comments. Look, they come from the far right too,

988
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 8: with pictures of Carmelo's saying very vile things that are gonna.

989
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 9: Happen to him in prison. I don't condone that. That

990
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 9: is not who you need to be. Stop it, please,

991
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 9: These are two kids. One's dead.

992
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 8: And the other one's in so there's no good outcome.

993
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 8: There's nothing good about it. And making memes and and

994
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 8: and derogatory remarks own dead children are in prison children.

995
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 9: I'm sorry. You need to You need to check yourself.

996
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 9: You need to really look in the mirror and go, wow,

997
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 9: what who am I?

998
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 8: What kind of person am I? And what if you

999
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 8: have children? What are you teaching? What are you teaching

1000
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 8: your children with this behavior. That's what I am so

1001
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 8: concerned about. Is not just me because I'm not I'm

1002
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 8: only here for another twenty twenty five years. I'm worried

1003
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 8: about what's my kids futures? Like, what my kids kids

1004
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 8: futures are? Like?

1005
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 9: What's what are we? Where are we going to be?

1006
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 9: Are we gonna be divided? Are we gonna have a race?

1007
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: War?

1008
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 9: Are we gonna have a civil war again? We've already

1009
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 9: had one in this country.

1010
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 8: That's I'm worried about the moral decay of society and

1011
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 8: where we're taking it and what we're learning to become acceptable.

1012
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 9: Is not acceptable.

1013
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 8: Well, I'm old school, as my kids tell me, Oh,

1014
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 8: your old school, dad, Yeah, I am. I am old school.

1015
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 8: I respected my parents. I did not have a sentiment entitlement.

1016
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 8: I had to work for everything that was given to me.

1017
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 8: I had rules, responsibilities, chores. My parents instilled discipline in me.

1018
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 8: You know, if we were inside, we were grounded. We

1019
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 8: hated being inside. We wanted to be outside. Today's world,

1020
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 8: I'm not I mean, my generation was the last generation

1021
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 8: that grew up without cell phones, internet and social media.

1022
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 9: Greatest time in the world to grow up because.

1023
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 8: Now everything's recorded, everything's taped everything. I mean, you have

1024
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 8: no privacy.

1025
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 9: You cannot do the same things I did when I

1026
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 9: was a kid.

1027
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 8: But today's today's youth is put under such more scrutiny,

1028
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 8: more mental health issues. I mean, I honestly believe you know,

1029
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 8: when we took God out of school, it affected our society.

1030
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 8: When we started giving people voices and opinions and platforms

1031
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 8: to say whatever.

1032
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 9: They think, and if they say it loud enough, they

1033
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 9: think it's right.

1034
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 8: And they in their mind it's a perceived reality and

1035
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 8: it's not and it's not the truth, but it is

1036
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 8: their reality.

1037
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 9: That's what they live in.

1038
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 8: And you can see how today has society has been formed.

1039
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 8: Just to go back fifty years and see how far

1040
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 8: we've come. Just go back one hundred years and see

1041
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 8: how far we've come. It's amazing. I mean, America is

1042
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 8: the greatest country.

1043
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 9: In the world, no doubt about it. But we create

1044
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 9: our own.

1045
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 8: Problems at the time, from within, from within, the outside

1046
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 8: factor or not. We need to deal with what's within

1047
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 8: our borders. We need to deal with the homeless, We

1048
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 8: need to deal with the veterans, We need to deal

1049
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 8: with mental health. These are issues. But everyone wants to start, Oh,

1050
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 8: it's a gun, you know. Oh so guns are bad. No,

1051
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 8: guns are good. People are bad. Guns don't kill people.

1052
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 8: People kill people. That's what I tell people. Yes, I'm

1053
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 8: a Second Amendment person. Yes, I believe in the right.

1054
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 9: I believe in everything. Do I believe in murder? No,

1055
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 9: it's a crime, it's a law.

1056
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 8: We have to keep our civilized normal society actions. In

1057
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 8: order you break the law, there are consequences. I told

1058
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 8: my sons this all the time growing up. You are

1059
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 8: free in life to make any decisions you own, but

1060
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 8: you are not free from the consequences.

1061
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 9: So remember that. And this was a perfect example.

1062
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 8: Unfortunately it took it to the extreme in my case,

1063
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 8: but there are consequences for shoving a knife in someone's stress. Oh,

1064
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 8: Charlie's cases, that's a slam dump. I mean the man

1065
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 8: was assassinated as I watched on TV.

1066
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, there's just something wrong with people.

1067
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff, I really appreciate you giving us so much

1068
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: of your time today, And I know God's got big

1069
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: plans for what you're gonna do next and the purpose

1070
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: you're going to live with, And honestly, I'm just I'm

1071
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 3: really encouraged listening to you because I believe what you said.

1072
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: Erica needs to hear and Robin Catherine need to hear.

1073
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: And there's just very few people that can relate to

1074
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: what they're going through right now, and you're one of them.

1075
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: And it's a terrible club.

1076
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: For you to be in and for us to sort

1077
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: of be in and membership dudes, Yeah, but we so

1078
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: appreciate you, and I thank you for for making this

1079
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: a priority today. I'm gonna clip this and send it

1080
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: right to Eric so she can watch it tonight. And

1081
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: we just we just really appreciate you. God bless you.

1082
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: God really mean that.

1083
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 9: I bless her family.

1084
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 8: And you know you always see now what I told

1085
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 8: you offline, you can reach out.

1086
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: So thanks you too, Jeff.

1087
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 9: Just God bless them, and you know I'll pray for them.

1088
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: God bless you.

1089
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, Jeff Metcalf Austin Metcalf's father. So interesting

1090
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: this time, and yeah, that was powerful just to sit

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Speaker 3: back and listen to. I mean, there's just something about

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Speaker 3: somebody that's been through that process personally and had to

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Speaker 3: had to face so much tragedy and heartache. And I

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Speaker 3: hate to admit I mean, I hate to admit it.

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Speaker 3: I just have to confront the fact that I relate

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Speaker 3: to so much of that and I know you do too, Blake.

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna take a quick break here. I think

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Speaker 3: we're gonna the Court's gonna come back in session at

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Speaker 3: some point, so we're just kind of waiting for that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if we want to take the rab feed guys

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Speaker 3: for the stream, and Uh.

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Speaker 2: They'll be back. We'll be back one their time.

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Speaker 4: And I think they go until five you said five

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Speaker 4: Utah time, Yeah, before Pacific or seven Eastern.

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Speaker 2: And then we've got a special. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: a recap at the rikap and at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day.

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Speaker 4: Uh, and we'll see how far they get because we

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Speaker 4: were speaking with Jay Town earlier and he said, in

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Speaker 4: theory they could get through everything today, but the defense is.

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Speaker 2: They're going to drag it'll drag out. So so all right,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back soon, guys. Talk then.

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Speaker 7: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.