Speaker 1: He's editor in chief of Breitbart News and a New
Speaker 1: York Times best selling author, and on this podcast he
Speaker 1: brings deep research, prescient analysis, and.
Speaker 2: World class guests. He's Alex Marlow, and this is the
Speaker 2: Alex Marlow Show.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Very pleased to be joined by my London bureau chief,
Speaker 1: the wonder for Oliver JJJ Lane, who is working for
Speaker 1: very long time and incredible work for us at breit Bart.
Speaker 1: And Oliver, I want to start talking Epstein Royal family
Speaker 1: with you implications, but hopefully, god willing, we will have
Speaker 1: some time to talk also about perhaps a new populist
Speaker 1: anti establishment government in the UK.
Speaker 4: It could be on the horizon, who knows.
Speaker 1: It's not inconceivable, which is crazy to say, but possible.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that a little bit. But let's
Speaker 1: start with the big stuff. The royal family completely rocked.
Speaker 1: There's been so much smoke around Princey Andrew and for
Speaker 1: so long King Charles's brother. But I have to admit,
Speaker 1: when I woke up this morning and saw that he'd
Speaker 1: been literally arrested, I didn't think this happened to people
Speaker 1: like this. In historically speaking, it doesn't, so tell us
Speaker 1: what happened in.
Speaker 4: Were usually shocked as well.
Speaker 3: Well, not shocks as such, because I think this has
Speaker 3: been coming for a long time. But I think if
Speaker 3: we were surprised, then we were probably just about as
Speaker 3: surprised as the King was. As we learn from British
Speaker 3: state media, who of course have all their fingers in
Speaker 3: all the government pies, shall we say, they're on the inside,
Speaker 3: they're reporting that the King had not been told in
Speaker 3: advance this arrest was going to happen today, so as
Speaker 3: long time watchers of bright bart News will know, the
Speaker 3: company's sometimes royal correspondence. I'm a great fan of the
Speaker 3: royal family, of the King, of his late mother, of
Speaker 3: the Queen, and you might therefore suppose that for me,
Speaker 3: today's like a dark day, like to see a senior
Speaker 3: member of the royal family arrested.
Speaker 2: But actually I'm feeling pretty upbeat about it.
Speaker 3: The fact that I live in a country where the
Speaker 3: police kind of rest the brother of the king, and
Speaker 3: the fact the King didn't know in advance is not
Speaker 3: a scandal, and everybody says, actually that's good, that's the.
Speaker 2: Law working the way it should. I feeling good about that.
Speaker 1: So I totally agree it's kind of an amazing flex
Speaker 1: for you guys to be able to have actual justice,
Speaker 1: perhaps getting served, even for literal monarchs, is pretty great.
Speaker 4: It's very impressive.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Prince Andrew's history. He's not really
Speaker 1: thought of as a good guy and hasn't been for
Speaker 1: a very long time. Can you give US Americans some
Speaker 1: of the background? Today's show sponsored by Lear Capital, the
Speaker 1: precious metals leader since nineteen ninety seven and only company
Speaker 1: I trust and recommend to my family, friends and viewers.
Speaker 1: Visit Lear alex dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a sad thing to say that
Speaker 3: in a way. Obviously, no sympathy if any of these
Speaker 3: things are proven true, which I hasten to mad nothing
Speaker 3: has yet. It's all claims and counterclaims. But once Prince Andrew,
Speaker 3: as he was then is no longer was something of
Speaker 3: a hero in this country. He was a proper serving
Speaker 3: naval pilot. He flew helicopters in the Falklands War, and
Speaker 3: not in a sort of rear echolon sort of way.
Speaker 2: He was on the front line.
Speaker 3: He was a real combat pilot, commanded a real warship
Speaker 3: after that in the Royal Navy. Left the Navy in
Speaker 3: two thousand and one as a commander, and he had
Speaker 3: this kind of like action man kind of figure, you know,
Speaker 3: impression in the.
Speaker 2: UK, and that's the way.
Speaker 3: People thought about him, and it seems to have basically
Speaker 3: have all gone downhill at that point. I think possibly
Speaker 3: him being in the military was the best place for him.
Speaker 2: Gave him an outlet for his.
Speaker 3: You know, whatever energy he has he needs to deal with.
Speaker 3: And it's at that point, in two thousand and one
Speaker 3: that he was appointed a trade envoy for the UK government.
Speaker 2: We had a left wing.
Speaker 3: Labor government back then, and I guess that was their
Speaker 3: way of doing something for the monarchy and giving him
Speaker 3: a job, using him in a way that was used
Speaker 3: to the government because clearly they thought he it wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna be very good at the cutting ribbons business opening churches.
Speaker 3: Rather get him out, get him abroad, get him selling
Speaker 3: British industry abroad, and that you know that clearly hasn't
Speaker 3: worked out that well. I mean, he was known as
Speaker 3: air Miles Andy back then because he was just putting
Speaker 3: so much on the government credit card paying for all
Speaker 3: those flights, is all those trade missions. And it's during
Speaker 3: that time we now believe so these allegations claim that
Speaker 3: he became friends with Jeffrey Epstein and it was information
Speaker 3: that he then Prince Andrew was getting from these trade
Speaker 3: missions that he was then allegedly passing on to Epstein.
Speaker 3: Because there's always been this question mark over Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 3: hasn't there, which is, Okay, he's this billionaire financier and
Speaker 3: he's using this money, his enormous wealth, to buy these
Speaker 3: incredible properties which are then used to law powerful people
Speaker 3: and beautiful women allegedly. I mean, I guess we know that,
Speaker 3: I'd have to say allegedly on that one, you know,
Speaker 3: to bring them together, and that's where the comprom as
Speaker 3: is made. The question was always where did Epstein's money
Speaker 3: come from? And assuming any of this is true, we
Speaker 3: don't know yet. It may be that some of this
Speaker 3: money came from the fact that he had advanced information
Speaker 3: about global affairs that he was getting from these people
Speaker 3: in his network, and one of these people may have
Speaker 3: been Prince Andrew because he was going around the world
Speaker 3: on these trade missions and he was sending reports about
Speaker 3: what he was up to to Epstein, and Epstein would
Speaker 3: have information about this stuff before anybody else, and that's
Speaker 3: a great place to be if you're a trader, if
Speaker 3: you're in the market, So that is yes.
Speaker 1: Ikes, yeah, So this is where I want to go
Speaker 1: into a little bit of the tail into his history,
Speaker 1: which you've been kind of have to furnish me with
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But he allegedly passed confidential information
Speaker 1: on his visits to Singapore, Vietnam, Hong Kong and change then.
Speaker 4: Which is in China. So what do we know?
Speaker 1: What is speggi and where do you get this information?
Speaker 1: What is he passing? All was very dirty stuff and
Speaker 1: reputationally very deleterious.
Speaker 3: Very indeed, I mean, where this has all come from
Speaker 3: is the latest tranch of Epstein emails, because of course
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew and Epstein have been linked publicly for a
Speaker 3: very long time. In fact, Prince at the then Prince
Speaker 3: Andrew left his trade role back in twenty eleven because
Speaker 3: he'd been photographed in i think December twenty ten, walking
Speaker 3: in public in Central Park in New York with Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 3: very shortly after he was released from prison for the
Speaker 3: first time for those child sex offenses.
Speaker 2: And obviously this was.
Speaker 3: Like a catastrophically stupid thing to do, to be seen
Speaker 3: in public with somebody with that kind of record as
Speaker 3: a high profile member of the royal family and clearly
Speaker 3: being buddy buddy with him. So that was the point
Speaker 3: at which I think we first get this idea that
Speaker 3: these two are linked. The photographs come out, This is
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, this is fifteen years ago now. But now,
Speaker 3: as I say, we have this latest trunch of emails
Speaker 3: came out of the past couple of weeks, and we
Speaker 3: see the correspondence as it happened in real time back
Speaker 3: then between Epstein and Prince Andrew as he was, and
Speaker 3: that is where we see. It's the it's the attachments
Speaker 3: in the emails and the sort of interesting sort of
Speaker 3: thing from that. These aren't reports that Andrew wrote himself.
Speaker 3: There were reports about what he was doing. They were
Speaker 3: written for him by one of his staffers. He would
Speaker 3: then be emailed the report Prince Andrew, and he would
Speaker 3: then be forwarding it to Epstein within minutes of it
Speaker 3: being generated. It was just like a reflexive, instant thing.
Speaker 3: This is what the emails purport to show. Like I say,
Speaker 3: none of this has been proven in court, and just
Speaker 3: you know, a quick note, like an admin note here
Speaker 3: obviously Prince Andrew for Prince Andrew Andrew Manbatten Windsor is
Speaker 3: now called, has been arrested in the UK. The police
Speaker 3: investigation is active, as they say, which means that I
Speaker 3: am now bound by contempt of court rules. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm limited in what I can what I can say
Speaker 3: because I don't want to go to jail, because that's
Speaker 3: the way the law works in the UK.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, put some more.
Speaker 1: I don't think people are completely familiar with that. And
Speaker 1: that's important to note that it's the now that this
Speaker 1: is happening. It actually means there's going to be this
Speaker 1: huge haze around everything because people aren't allowed to say things.
Speaker 4: What are the things? Were? Types of things? Can't you say?
Speaker 3: Well, so stuff that's already in the public domain. I
Speaker 3: can discuss the fact that things have happened or things
Speaker 3: are claimed, but I couldn't as I've been I'm sure
Speaker 3: you've noticed so careful to say. So far, everything is alleged.
Speaker 3: Everything is claimed. The emails purport to show, because of
Speaker 3: course it's not been proven in court that these emails
Speaker 3: are real, that it was the actual Prince Andrew who
Speaker 3: sent those emails. And that's that's what's going to be coming,
Speaker 3: I'm sure in the coming weeks and months. So the
Speaker 3: position where we are now right this instant is that
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew was arrested. I keep on calling Prince Andrew,
Speaker 3: but was going to stick with it because it's everybody
Speaker 3: knows them by that name. It was arrested earlier this
Speaker 3: morning at his home in Norfolk on the there's a
Speaker 3: royal estate up there called Sandringham. The British police have
Speaker 3: twenty four hours to question him. At that point, they've
Speaker 3: got to make a decision. Are they going to charte
Speaker 3: or they're going to cut him loose. It's quite possible
Speaker 3: that he'll be released this evening so he's not forced
Speaker 3: to sleep overnight in a police cell. But then again,
Speaker 3: they could keep him until tomorrow morning if they feel
Speaker 3: like they need to hold him for questioning that long.
Speaker 2: My instinct is that they may not charge now.
Speaker 3: It could be released pending further inquiries. But the important
Speaker 3: thing for the police and for the investigation now is
Speaker 3: that they've made the arrest. I believe they have seized
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew's digital devices, so they're going to be able
Speaker 3: to pry into these now. Look at that digital paper
Speaker 3: trail and sort of get the other side because of
Speaker 3: course we have the server from Epstein which has been
Speaker 3: released in the US, which is what got all this going.
Speaker 3: But there's always the other side of what's going on.
Speaker 3: What else Prince Andrew's discussing at the time, and it's
Speaker 3: you know, we just don't know what else is going
Speaker 3: to come out, what's going to come out in court.
Speaker 3: We've got to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Okay, so do he's one of the guys over and
Speaker 1: this is what's so important that actually is sort of
Speaker 1: accues of p to feel you, which is funny because
Speaker 1: it's not really what it is. He's actually because I
Speaker 1: know the age consent in the UK is sixteen, and
Speaker 1: I want to be crystal clear for legal purposes, we're
Speaker 1: talking about him perhaps praying on some of older miners
Speaker 1: or do we way we define them as miners in
Speaker 1: the US. But it's interesting because as we track the
Speaker 1: Epstein stuff obsessively in America, we are not. We're it's
Speaker 1: very rare anyone has any is getting accused of being pedophiles.
Speaker 1: We've been wrapped. We even round up a single pedophile
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. As revenue conversation from
Speaker 1: all the latest drops, which is kind of surprising even
Speaker 1: to me, who runs skeptical about everything the government releases.
Speaker 1: But he's one of the guys who actually is a
Speaker 1: cue of praying on the women, what is what do
Speaker 1: we know or what is being alleged?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, actually because in
Speaker 3: terms again going back to what we could talk about
Speaker 3: and can't talk about something that's been in the air
Speaker 3: for a very long time, going back to the last
Speaker 3: day following that those photographs that were taken of Epstein
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew together in New York in twenty ten, was
Speaker 3: these allegations by a woman called Virginia Jeffrey that she
Speaker 3: had been sexually trafficked by Epstein to Prince Andrew, for
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew to use rape whatever word you want to
Speaker 3: use for that, and that again has never been proven
Speaker 3: in court. Now, obviously he hasn't been arrested on anything
Speaker 3: to do with that. The arrests are over misuse of
Speaker 3: public office, over the corruption allegations.
Speaker 2: But it's the police.
Speaker 3: Have his computers, can I presume go through his files
Speaker 3: figure out what exactly been going on. This is the
Speaker 3: kind of thing I'm talking about when it's like possibly
Speaker 3: other things will follow. I cannot even begin to imagine
Speaker 3: or say that they will, but anything is possible at
Speaker 3: this stage.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Virginia Jeffrey thing.
Speaker 3: Has been it's been in the air a long time,
Speaker 3: and there have been claims and claims and nothing has
Speaker 3: ever been proven. But that we believe is the reason
Speaker 3: that the King cut Prince Andrew out of the royal
Speaker 3: family progressively and his mother before him, for that matter,
Speaker 3: progressively over the past five or so years, to the
Speaker 3: sort of the final conclusion of that last year where
Speaker 3: he lost his actual royal title, he ceased to be
Speaker 3: a prince at all and became plain old Andrew Manbattan
Speaker 3: windsor sermons of his grandfather's.
Speaker 2: All right, so the royal family Yes.
Speaker 4: No, no, nine, I'm sorry interrupt.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 3: I think the royal family have been a pretty proactive
Speaker 3: in this, getting well ahead of it. And I don't
Speaker 3: think there's any indication that they knew that this specifically
Speaker 3: was coming. Like I say, they didn't know this rest
Speaker 3: was coming. I don't think there's any indication that they
Speaker 3: knew there'd been malpractice in public office before those emails
Speaker 3: came out. I think that quite possible, was a surprise
Speaker 3: to everyone. But like I say, there's been these claims,
Speaker 3: these rumors swelling for a long time. And just to
Speaker 3: go back to what you were saying about, like the
Speaker 3: child sex abuse angle in terms of British law, I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any suggestion that there's been any sex
Speaker 3: abuse of children, but that the person that allegedly he
Speaker 3: had sex with had been trafficked for the purpose of
Speaker 3: So that's the problem now. I think there's also a
Speaker 3: suggestion that he might have also had sex with this
Speaker 3: woman in the United States, and it might have been
Speaker 3: in a state where she wasn't legally of age. It's
Speaker 3: very borderline stuff. I don't want to like, you know this,
Speaker 3: it's been proven in court.
Speaker 4: Does this guy do anything good?
Speaker 1: Does he make any meaningful contributions to humanity as far
Speaker 1: as we can tell.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like we started out, you know, he
Speaker 3: was this it was a bona farde war hero once
Speaker 3: upon a time and did this trade and industry thing.
Speaker 3: But as it turns out, he may have been using
Speaker 3: that role to feather the nests of himself and friends,
Speaker 3: possibly allegedly.
Speaker 2: So some of you win, some of your lose.
Speaker 4: So who could get dragon to this? What are the implications?
Speaker 1: Who are let's talk I want to take on the
Speaker 1: royal family and then I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: labor government, any perhaps figures in there who could get
Speaker 1: wrapped up on this.
Speaker 4: But let's talk about what does it mean for the
Speaker 4: royal family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do the royal family first. So, like I
Speaker 3: was just touching on, I think they've been pretty proactive
Speaker 3: in dealing with this and getting like ahead of what's happening.
Speaker 2: So what has.
Speaker 3: Happened today is thoroughly extraordinary and there is no president
Speaker 3: for it in modern times. And this is a bit
Speaker 3: of a gripe of mine because we've had some royal
Speaker 3: commentators in the UK today saying there is no president
Speaker 3: for this at all, which is quite obviously patently false.
Speaker 2: We've had a relatively stable run.
Speaker 3: Of decades in the UK with our royal family, especially
Speaker 3: compared to Europe, where most of their royles have been murdered.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the longs stretch of history
Speaker 3: on the British Isles where there have been several royal families,
Speaker 3: several monarchies, kings having to deal with their troublesome brothers
Speaker 3: has been the norm, it has not.
Speaker 2: Been the exception.
Speaker 3: And in fact, I was amused to note the police
Speaker 3: arrested Andrew today, which is bad luck for him because
Speaker 3: it's his sixty sixth birthday, and I thought, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: they could have arrested him yesterday or tomorrow, to not
Speaker 3: arrested on his birthday.
Speaker 2: Not but of course justice works that way.
Speaker 3: But there's an even crazier anniversary yesterday, which is that
Speaker 3: in fourteen seventy eight, the Duke of Clarence was.
Speaker 2: Executed. This is the brother of the king.
Speaker 3: So in terms of inauspicious dates, I think arresting the
Speaker 3: Prince yesterday would have been even worse. Anyway, I'm getting
Speaker 3: lost down a one way track here. The point is,
Speaker 3: how does this touch the Royal family? This is extraordinary,
Speaker 3: This is without president in modern times. But I'm not
Speaker 3: feeling like there's this sense of like genuine crisis surrounding
Speaker 3: the Royal family because they air gapped themselves from Prince
Speaker 3: Andrew last year, and so this guys no longer a
Speaker 3: royal prince. This guy is no longer working with the firm.
Speaker 3: We've ostracized him. I think they've been seen to have
Speaker 3: done the right thing. Now, who knows what follows. Like
Speaker 3: I say, the police are going to be doing their investigation.
Speaker 3: Charges may follow, and it may get worse from here,
Speaker 3: but right now it doesn't seem that bad for the Royals.
Speaker 2: In terms of politics.
Speaker 3: If I were Peter Mandelson, I would probably be pretty
Speaker 3: well panicking right now. Peter Mandlson, of course, the former
Speaker 3: ambassador from the United Kingdom to the United States, a
Speaker 3: former European Commissioner, a very big, very influential figure in
Speaker 3: the Labor Party. This guy has been running the Labor
Speaker 3: Party from the shadows on and off basically as long
Speaker 3: as I've been alive. A very powerful and consequential person
Speaker 3: who also has been revealed to have and again allegedly
Speaker 3: in the emails in the Epstein emails release over the
Speaker 3: past few weeks, allegedly revealed to have been sending confidential
Speaker 3: information to friend Jeff Free to get him give him that. Yea,
Speaker 3: that scoop on what's happening in the world, what the
Speaker 3: British government's going to be doing tomorrow, which is a
Speaker 3: great way to make money if you know that.
Speaker 1: All right, So, people who listen to my show. Please, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: people listen my show or no. Peter Mandelsson's name. I've
Speaker 1: brought him up a number of times. All right, So
Speaker 1: Peter Mandelson, British strategist, Labor Party stalwart for a very
Speaker 1: long time. He is someone who's been wrapped up in this,
Speaker 1: and he's someone who you know for decades has just
Speaker 1: been a stalwart in British politics. Remind people of his background.
Speaker 1: And he had a close friendship with Epstein that I
Speaker 1: think we've known about, but it continued even well after
Speaker 1: his conviction. He's wrapped up in this as well.
Speaker 4: Give me his role. Break that down.
Speaker 1: If a red light therapy device is cheap, there's a reason,
Speaker 1: and it's not a good one. Most red light devices
Speaker 1: on the market are built to hit a low price point,
Speaker 1: not to deliver real results.
Speaker 4: They use weaker.
Speaker 1: Components, inconsistent light output, and non medical grade standards. That's
Speaker 1: so many of them feel underwhelming or stop working altogether.
Speaker 1: Flashy ads and big promises can't make up for poor performance.
Speaker 1: The super Palm is medical grade built for consistent, deep
Speaker 1: penetrating light that professionals trust. That means stronger results, better reliability,
Speaker 1: and real relief. You can feel, not guesswork. It's also
Speaker 1: easy to use handheld and comfortable, making it simple to
Speaker 1: add your daily routine as I have. I try cheaper
Speaker 1: devices made in China and didn't feel anything with the
Speaker 1: super Palm. The pain in my knee and back finally
Speaker 1: eased after just a few weeks.
Speaker 4: It's the first one that actually worked.
Speaker 1: SunPower led backs it with a money back guarantee and
Speaker 1: a two year warranty, something most competitors just can't offer.
Speaker 1: And it's made in America. Use code Marlowe for ten
Speaker 1: percent off today. Stop settling for low quality devices and
Speaker 1: upgrade to real medical grade relief.
Speaker 3: So Mandelson is like one of these grand old men
Speaker 3: of the Labor Party. He created New Labor basically one
Speaker 3: of the very key figures in that back in the
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, which pulled Labor away from its working class roots,
Speaker 3: reinvented it as a metropolitan elite party, something for university
Speaker 3: educated people rather than people who you know, work for
Speaker 3: a living.
Speaker 2: But frankly, and it.
Speaker 3: Was through that mechanism that he created that Labour won
Speaker 3: that enormous election victory in ninety seven and carried on
Speaker 3: all the way through to twenty ten, huge run of
Speaker 3: power for them and very unusual for Labor which don't
Speaker 3: normally do that well of elections in this country. So
Speaker 3: a very consequential, a very important person. And just like
Speaker 3: again we allegedly believe Prince Andrew, he had this friendship
Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: It was drawn to this.
Speaker 3: Year, this powerful man, and that meant that he was
Speaker 3: still in contact with him after Epstein's release from prison
Speaker 3: for the first time for.
Speaker 2: Child sex abuse crimes or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: So we have that same very similar sort of story
Speaker 3: allegedly where after Epstein's release from prison, Mandelsson is emailing
Speaker 3: him saying I much you're looking forward to seeing him
Speaker 3: meeting up And again it's something that we've known about
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 2: And this is the big scandal that's hit the British.
Speaker 3: Government over the past couple of weeks, which is that
Speaker 3: they had no excuse whatsoever to say when we appoint
Speaker 3: reappointed Mandelsson to this big job for him being the
Speaker 3: ambassador to the US, one of the most consequential diplomatic postings.
Speaker 3: And by the way, also because he's this incredibly important
Speaker 3: person inside the Labor Party, he was helping Starmer run
Speaker 3: the government allegedly during this time while he was ambassador.
Speaker 3: They knew beforehand because everybody knew it was in the newspapers.
Speaker 3: It was a single Google search away that he had
Speaker 3: this close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And then when all
Speaker 3: these latest emails came out, it made everybody look at
Speaker 3: it again and go, yeah, why is this guy? Why
Speaker 3: is this guy so powerful in the Labor Party? Why
Speaker 3: do you keep on letting him get away with this?
Speaker 3: So in terms of like people who should be watching
Speaker 3: their backs at this stage, you have Beata Mandleton, because
Speaker 3: the police began their investigation into Mandelssohn and Prince Andrew
Speaker 3: at about the same time, within.
Speaker 2: A few hours of each other.
Speaker 3: So if assuming any of this is true, assuming the
Speaker 3: police have been looking at this evidence and making their decisions,
Speaker 3: could we assume that Mandleson will getting a knock on
Speaker 3: the door shortly. I think it's possible he certainly the
Speaker 3: police have certainly already raided his house, taken away cartons
Speaker 3: of documents, they have been considering those. And then you
Speaker 3: have the political implications for the broader Labor Party and
Speaker 3: the new attack line just today from Nigel Farage as
Speaker 3: he's launched a new whole new website, and I think
Speaker 3: that the uilist thing like labour has a problem dot
Speaker 3: org and you.
Speaker 2: Go through to that.
Speaker 3: The new tagline that Farage is pushing is that labor
Speaker 3: has a pedophile problem. And this is not just with
Speaker 3: the Mandelson issue and his closeness to Jeffrey Epstein, although
Speaker 3: to be perfectly clear, at this stage there's no suggestion
Speaker 3: that Mandelson was involved in the sexual side of things.
Speaker 3: It was a purely business and social relation as far
Speaker 3: as we know, so the claims go. But there's layer
Speaker 3: upon within labor of very senior labor people who are
Speaker 3: alleged to have been close to child sex offenders, have defended.
Speaker 2: Child sex offenders.
Speaker 3: And then you have like the broader problem that's facing
Speaker 3: the UK that you know, you and I Alex have
Speaker 3: been talking about for as long as we've known each other,
Speaker 3: which is that in labor controlled areas of the UK,
Speaker 3: these former mining towns that are stray trinally labor where
Speaker 3: they've had a great deal of mass migration, where young
Speaker 3: children have been gone through war crime level horrors at
Speaker 3: the hands of what they call predominantly Pakistani rape gangs
Speaker 3: and Labor appears to have covered that up in these areas.
Speaker 3: So this is what reformers saying. Now Labor has a
Speaker 3: creedophile problem.
Speaker 1: So but is it a pedophile problem or is it
Speaker 1: a doing business with a bad guy problem? And this
Speaker 1: is the whole trick with the Epstein staff where people
Speaker 1: who are not obsessed with it can get lost. Is
Speaker 1: that because we're not really arresting any pedophiles. It seems like,
Speaker 1: so what are the business connections that these guys could
Speaker 1: have with Epstein that are illegal? We know Epstein was
Speaker 1: a bad guy, an evil guy, even but I just
Speaker 1: don't It's very hard to say what are.
Speaker 4: The takeaways that we know to this point of or
Speaker 4: are there any.
Speaker 3: Well not yes, because as I say so little has
Speaker 3: been proven. But in terms of the broader situation we're in,
Speaker 3: like I say, this is a moment of political peril
Speaker 3: in the UK for the broader political ecosystem around Peter Mandelsson.
Speaker 2: This is a moment of perl for the royal family.
Speaker 3: Although as I say, they haven't made the same mistakes
Speaker 3: say that Labor have, because even while people knew that
Speaker 3: Peter Mandelson had been friends with Epstein, even after it
Speaker 3: became publicly inappropriate do so Labour still stuck with him
Speaker 3: and made him important and kept him at the top
Speaker 3: and gave him a top job. When it became apparent
Speaker 3: that Prince Andrew had continued to be friends with Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein after it had been appropriate to do so, the
Speaker 3: Royal family cut him loose and said, you know you're
Speaker 3: a danger, off you go. So I think that the
Speaker 3: political danger is to Labor is greater than it is
Speaker 3: to the royal family. But you talk about the business relationship, Like,
Speaker 3: because both of these, as far as we know from
Speaker 3: the evidence we've seen the alleged evidence, it appears to
Speaker 3: be more about money than it does about sex, although
Speaker 3: there does appear to be a sexual element in the
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew one as well. And like, what's the what's
Speaker 3: the reciprocal relationship here? Like what are these guys getting
Speaker 3: out of it? Because we can see what Epstein's getting
Speaker 3: out of it, which is he's getting this privileged allegedly
Speaker 3: getting this privileged confidential information from very highly placed, knowledgeable
Speaker 3: people in the UK. What are they then getting in response? Well,
Speaker 3: in some in some cases it's money. Allegedly with Peter Mandelson,
Speaker 3: the claims from the emails are that he and his
Speaker 3: husband that is in a same sex marriage, he and
Speaker 3: his husband received for the UK considerable amounts of money.
Speaker 3: I mean it's tens of thousands of dollars, which to
Speaker 3: an American I think would probably make you laugh. British
Speaker 3: politics is so cheap. People have really bought very cheaply. Indeeds,
Speaker 3: there's so little money in British politics. You know, the
Speaker 3: price of entry for corruption is very low, alleged corruption,
Speaker 3: I should say, so, there's definitely a money element there
Speaker 3: for Prince Andrew. I think again it's shocking to think
Speaker 3: because the Royal family is fabulously wealthy, but he's clearly
Speaker 3: a man who's always been unlucky with money. I don't
Speaker 3: particularly want to talk about his wife, Fergie, because it's
Speaker 3: just not something I've delved into very deeply, and she's
Speaker 3: not a character I find particularly interesting or engaging when
Speaker 3: we put it that way. But she is somebody who
Speaker 3: has always had money troubles and my belief is that
Speaker 3: she has received money from Epstein in the past as
Speaker 3: well to help clear debts. So you know, that's the
Speaker 3: way the relationship goes. You know, information flows one way.
Speaker 3: And money or the other.
Speaker 1: So let's use this as an opportunity to talk about
Speaker 1: Nigel Farage you mentioned is seizing on the moment politically
Speaker 1: as he should.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: Reading the headlines from across the pond, Oliver, it does
Speaker 1: look like there is a chance that Nigel Farage could
Speaker 1: complete his revolution of his now Reform Party, but really
Speaker 1: the original Brexit movement just fighting the globalist and the
Speaker 1: establishment in the UK. It does seem like it's not
Speaker 1: that he is particularly strong right now, which he is.
Speaker 1: He does seem particularly strong, but it seems like there's
Speaker 1: so much weakness in the establishment parties now that this
Speaker 1: really could be a moment where he could a catabult
Speaker 1: himself for all the way the prime ministership is that
Speaker 1: possible handicap things?
Speaker 4: Where are we now?
Speaker 3: Okay, so first of all, let's let's give the big
Speaker 3: question out of the way.
Speaker 2: Is it possible?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: I have always been a real realist on this stuff,
Speaker 3: and I think you and I have had this conversation
Speaker 3: before about people saying Nigel Faraj is going to be
Speaker 3: the next Prime Minister of.
Speaker 2: The UK, and I've always said, no, he's not. I
Speaker 2: love Nigel.
Speaker 3: I think he's a very highly intelligent, skilled person, but
Speaker 3: that's not the way the British constitution works, and it's
Speaker 3: still the case now. Nigel is riding high in the
Speaker 3: polls and the most likely thing is he is not
Speaker 3: the next primis for the UK.
Speaker 2: My hope is that he's the.
Speaker 3: Next prime minister, but one because we have a parliamentary system.
Speaker 2: When Starmer falls, which he inevitably.
Speaker 3: Will be it over this this Epstein Peter Mandelson thing,
Speaker 3: or over one of the thousands of other things about
Speaker 3: which he is completely politically clueless, ruddleus and incapable, something
Speaker 3: will get him sooner or later, and probably early this year,
Speaker 3: I should think. Just because he falls, there isn't then
Speaker 3: a snap election in the UK. The Labor Party, which
Speaker 3: commands Parliament will select from inside their group a new leader.
Speaker 2: They will become the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: That person will then have the thankless task of trying
Speaker 3: to lead this ungovernable country according to their own whims,
Speaker 3: until it's time for an election, and that maybe sooner
Speaker 3: or rather than later. Of course, according to British law
Speaker 3: our constitution, the next election has to happen by twenty
Speaker 3: twenty nine, and all things told, that's probably the most
Speaker 3: likely time there will be an election. But Forarag has
Speaker 3: this theory that labor is running our economy so badly,
Speaker 3: it's running the country into the ground so shamelessly that
Speaker 3: there will be a mother of all financial crises and
Speaker 3: it will be so bad it will force the government,
Speaker 3: the government itself to collapse and Parliament will be dissolved
Speaker 3: and they'll have to be fresh elections, which he then
Speaker 3: presumably would win.
Speaker 2: That's his vision, and.
Speaker 3: He's saying there's a slight chance there'll be an election
Speaker 3: as early as twenty twenty seven, so putting his money
Speaker 3: where his mouth is. Farage has said that he's going
Speaker 3: to put his party, Reform UK, on a war footing.
Speaker 3: They're selecting their election candidates so if there is a
Speaker 3: snap election, they're ready to go, because that's what got
Speaker 3: them last time. Richie Sudak, former Prime minister, called an
Speaker 3: early election which surprised people. Reforms simply wasn't ready. They
Speaker 3: were campaigning from a standing start, which really harmed them.
Speaker 3: And he doesn't want to be caught flat footed twice.
Speaker 4: Okay, so two big quo takeaways from this.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the appropriate move for Reform
Speaker 1: Party Nigel to capitalize on the Moment's number one in
Speaker 1: what do you think is the best move from the
Speaker 1: labor government to try to defend themselves.
Speaker 3: I like a bit of steel manning. That'll be fun.
Speaker 3: So for Forage, what he needs to do is keep.
Speaker 2: Doing what he's doing now.
Speaker 3: And it's an interesting position he's in now because I
Speaker 3: think Forage has become.
Speaker 2: Sufficiently baked into the equation.
Speaker 3: He's definitely part of the political furniture now and I
Speaker 3: think people are already accepting that he's going to be
Speaker 3: the future government.
Speaker 2: And because of.
Speaker 3: That and the speed with which the Overton window is
Speaker 3: shifting around him, I think it's instructive to note there
Speaker 3: is now a like as Forage had long been the
Speaker 3: devil sitting on the shoulder with the Conservative Party going
Speaker 3: you can't do that, that's not right wing enough, like
Speaker 3: come please get Brittin out to the European Union, please
Speaker 3: do something about mass migration.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of his role for a long time.
Speaker 3: And as he becomes the main stream, like Farrage has
Speaker 3: always called himself center right, like a centrist. He's never
Speaker 3: thought of himself as extreme, and he's always aligned himself
Speaker 3: with the basically the British people, which is actually the
Speaker 3: things that I say most British people agree with. It's
Speaker 3: just the political hacks, the Westminster people who say that
Speaker 3: I'm really on the right, actually that this is the center.
Speaker 2: You just can't see it.
Speaker 3: So the fact that I think that this is now
Speaker 3: being so baked and is fascinating because there's now a
Speaker 3: right wing party to the right of Frage that's launched
Speaker 3: this week called True Restore, led by a Chapman called
Speaker 3: Rupert Low. So the fact that then there's somebody now
Speaker 3: pulling Nigel Farage to the right, possibly because they're now
Speaker 3: sitting on his shoulder and going you're not being strive enough,
Speaker 3: or mass migration, like we really do have to deport
Speaker 3: people who shouldn't be here. I find that fascinating. My
Speaker 3: message to Frag is keep through to the message, keep
Speaker 3: doing what you're doing, because by not being a creature
Speaker 3: of the swamp, by not being part of the Westminster establishment,
Speaker 3: that's your best hope of getting in. Because everybody is
Speaker 3: sick to death of the two party consensus that we've
Speaker 3: had in this country for a century now. It has
Speaker 3: not worked and the country is suffering terribly for it. Now,
Speaker 3: let's think about what labor can do. And I've been
Speaker 3: turning this over in the back of my head while
Speaker 3: I've been talking about Farage, and they're in a bit
Speaker 3: of a sticky wicket because they are in the same
Speaker 3: position the Conservatives were a couple of years ago, which
Speaker 3: is that everybody knows that they are venal and corrupt
Speaker 3: and inefficient and low iq and ineffective. And the best
Speaker 3: thing that they should do is apologize to the country,
Speaker 3: resign their seats from Westminster and never darken the doors
Speaker 3: of politics again. Is exactly what the Conservative should have done.
Speaker 3: And in fairness, some of them are getting there. They've
Speaker 3: kind of figured out that they were the problem and
Speaker 3: labor is the problem. But what can they do to
Speaker 3: save themselves? They can save their souls by resigning. Let
Speaker 3: me put it that way, go to church.
Speaker 4: What do you last one? And this is just sort
Speaker 4: of a general one.
Speaker 1: What is it with the UK your culture of just
Speaker 1: resigning whenever you've won defeat. I mean it's always striking
Speaker 1: to be a very watcher, you know UK television and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's we's you know, someone's resigning, Like
Speaker 1: why you said this?
Speaker 4: Great victory three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we lost this latest foot and so I
Speaker 1: have to quit politics for life. It feels like we
Speaker 1: don't have any sort of there's a deep sense of
Speaker 1: pride and de quorum to have that sort of culture
Speaker 1: and it's really endured.
Speaker 2: Well. So that's an interesting point.
Speaker 3: So that one of the big discussions we're having in
Speaker 3: the UK at the moment, which is one of those
Speaker 3: things I think ordinary people would have been thinking about
Speaker 3: for like a century, but it's just being permitted to
Speaker 3: be talked about in public now, which is what is
Speaker 3: a British person who is British? And the government position
Speaker 3: on this is that whether you're British or not is
Speaker 3: a purely cultural question. If you can sort of do
Speaker 3: this tickbox of like, you know, you speak English and
Speaker 3: you drink tea and you believe in diversity and all
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, like for the government, that's good enough.
Speaker 3: And actually there is a even assuming you went with
Speaker 3: this culturist idea of what it means to belong to Britain,
Speaker 3: there is actually a real, like not made up in
Speaker 3: Westminster in a focus group, there is a real, long standing,
Speaker 3: persistent British culture which you have just identified a part
Speaker 3: of there, which is that it prizes very highly humility
Speaker 3: and the ability to fall on one sword or to
Speaker 3: withdraw to the drawing room with a glass of whiskey
Speaker 3: and a revolver when things have gone just a tiny
Speaker 3: bit wrong, and to own up and to resign. And
Speaker 3: it's something that I think we do in our heart
Speaker 3: of hearts, really truly admire, which is somebody who's not
Speaker 3: a grifter, not in politics for life, and can go
Speaker 3: back to the farm if they've made a small state,
Speaker 3: and long may it be the case. I thoroughly support it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Amen, we could use a lot more of that here
Speaker 1: in the United States. All right, Oliver, incredible information, and
Speaker 1: thank you so much. You do an amazing job on
Speaker 1: all subjects.
Speaker 4: But it was really nice to get your take on
Speaker 4: these two in particular.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk to you next time thanks to Mistin
Speaker 1: and I'll be in the audience see us say