WEBVTT - Everything You Need to Know About Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Epstein; Farage Rising Again

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<v Speaker 1>He's editor in chief of Breitbart News and a New

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<v Speaker 2>World class guests. He's Alex Marlow, and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Marlow Show.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Very pleased to be joined by my London bureau chief,

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<v Speaker 1>the wonder for Oliver JJJ Lane, who is working for

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<v Speaker 1>very long time and incredible work for us at breit Bart.

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<v Speaker 1>And Oliver, I want to start talking Epstein Royal family

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<v Speaker 1>with you implications, but hopefully, god willing, we will have

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<v Speaker 1>some time to talk also about perhaps a new populist

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<v Speaker 1>anti establishment government in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be on the horizon, who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not inconceivable, which is crazy to say, but possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll get to that a little bit. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with the big stuff. The royal family completely rocked.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been so much smoke around Princey Andrew and for

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<v Speaker 1>so long King Charles's brother. But I have to admit,

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<v Speaker 1>when I woke up this morning and saw that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been literally arrested, I didn't think this happened to people

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<v Speaker 1>like this. In historically speaking, it doesn't, so tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in.

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<v Speaker 4>Were usually shocked as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, not shocks as such, because I think this has

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<v Speaker 3>been coming for a long time. But I think if

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<v Speaker 3>we were surprised, then we were probably just about as

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<v Speaker 3>surprised as the King was. As we learn from British

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<v Speaker 3>state media, who of course have all their fingers in

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<v Speaker 3>all the government pies, shall we say, they're on the inside,

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<v Speaker 3>they're reporting that the King had not been told in

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<v Speaker 3>advance this arrest was going to happen today, so as

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<v Speaker 3>long time watchers of bright bart News will know, the

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<v Speaker 3>company's sometimes royal correspondence. I'm a great fan of the

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<v Speaker 3>royal family, of the King, of his late mother, of

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<v Speaker 3>the Queen, and you might therefore suppose that for me,

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<v Speaker 3>today's like a dark day, like to see a senior

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<v Speaker 3>member of the royal family arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually I'm feeling pretty upbeat about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that I live in a country where the

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<v Speaker 3>police kind of rest the brother of the king, and

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<v Speaker 3>the fact the King didn't know in advance is not

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<v Speaker 3>a scandal, and everybody says, actually that's good, that's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Law working the way it should. I feeling good about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I totally agree it's kind of an amazing flex

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<v Speaker 1>for you guys to be able to have actual justice,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps getting served, even for literal monarchs, is pretty great.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's talk about Prince Andrew's history. He's not really

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<v Speaker 1>thought of as a good guy and hasn't been for

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of a sad thing to say that

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<v Speaker 3>in a way. Obviously, no sympathy if any of these

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<v Speaker 3>things are proven true, which I hasten to mad nothing

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<v Speaker 3>has yet. It's all claims and counterclaims. But once Prince Andrew,

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<v Speaker 3>as he was then is no longer was something of

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<v Speaker 3>a hero in this country. He was a proper serving

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<v Speaker 3>naval pilot. He flew helicopters in the Falklands War, and

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<v Speaker 3>not in a sort of rear echolon sort of way.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on the front line.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a real combat pilot, commanded a real warship

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<v Speaker 3>after that in the Royal Navy. Left the Navy in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one as a commander, and he had

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of like action man kind of figure, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>impression in the.

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<v Speaker 2>UK, and that's the way.

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<v Speaker 3>People thought about him, and it seems to have basically

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<v Speaker 3>have all gone downhill at that point. I think possibly

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<v Speaker 3>him being in the military was the best place for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave him an outlet for his.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, whatever energy he has he needs to deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's at that point, in two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 3>that he was appointed a trade envoy for the UK government.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a left wing.

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<v Speaker 3>Labor government back then, and I guess that was their

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<v Speaker 3>way of doing something for the monarchy and giving him

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<v Speaker 3>a job, using him in a way that was used

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<v Speaker 3>to the government because clearly they thought he it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be very good at the cutting ribbons business opening churches.

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<v Speaker 3>Rather get him out, get him abroad, get him selling

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<v Speaker 3>British industry abroad, and that you know that clearly hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>worked out that well. I mean, he was known as

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<v Speaker 3>air Miles Andy back then because he was just putting

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<v Speaker 3>so much on the government credit card paying for all

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<v Speaker 3>those flights, is all those trade missions. And it's during

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<v Speaker 3>that time we now believe so these allegations claim that

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<v Speaker 3>he became friends with Jeffrey Epstein and it was information

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<v Speaker 3>that he then Prince Andrew was getting from these trade

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<v Speaker 3>missions that he was then allegedly passing on to Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's always been this question mark over Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't there, which is, Okay, he's this billionaire financier and

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<v Speaker 3>he's using this money, his enormous wealth, to buy these

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<v Speaker 3>incredible properties which are then used to law powerful people

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<v Speaker 3>and beautiful women allegedly. I mean, I guess we know that,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have to say allegedly on that one, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to bring them together, and that's where the comprom as

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<v Speaker 3>is made. The question was always where did Epstein's money

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<v Speaker 3>come from? And assuming any of this is true, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know yet. It may be that some of this

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<v Speaker 3>money came from the fact that he had advanced information

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<v Speaker 3>about global affairs that he was getting from these people

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<v Speaker 3>in his network, and one of these people may have

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<v Speaker 3>been Prince Andrew because he was going around the world

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<v Speaker 3>on these trade missions and he was sending reports about

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<v Speaker 3>what he was up to to Epstein, and Epstein would

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<v Speaker 3>have information about this stuff before anybody else, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>a great place to be if you're a trader, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the market, So that is yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ikes, yeah, So this is where I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>into a little bit of the tail into his history,

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<v Speaker 1>which you've been kind of have to furnish me with

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<v Speaker 1>some of this stuff. But he allegedly passed confidential information

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<v Speaker 1>on his visits to Singapore, Vietnam, Hong Kong and change then.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is in China. So what do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>What is speggi and where do you get this information?

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<v Speaker 1>What is he passing? All was very dirty stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>reputationally very deleterious.

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<v Speaker 3>Very indeed, I mean, where this has all come from

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<v Speaker 3>is the latest tranch of Epstein emails, because of course

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew and Epstein have been linked publicly for a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time. In fact, Prince at the then Prince

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew left his trade role back in twenty eleven because

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<v Speaker 3>he'd been photographed in i think December twenty ten, walking

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<v Speaker 3>in public in Central Park in New York with Jeffrey Epstein,

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<v Speaker 3>very shortly after he was released from prison for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time for those child sex offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously this was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a catastrophically stupid thing to do, to be seen

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<v Speaker 3>in public with somebody with that kind of record as

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<v Speaker 3>a high profile member of the royal family and clearly

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<v Speaker 3>being buddy buddy with him. So that was the point

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<v Speaker 3>at which I think we first get this idea that

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<v Speaker 3>these two are linked. The photographs come out, This is

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eleven, this is fifteen years ago now. But now,

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<v Speaker 3>as I say, we have this latest trunch of emails

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<v Speaker 3>came out of the past couple of weeks, and we

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<v Speaker 3>see the correspondence as it happened in real time back

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<v Speaker 3>then between Epstein and Prince Andrew as he was, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is where we see. It's the it's the attachments

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<v Speaker 3>in the emails and the sort of interesting sort of

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<v Speaker 3>thing from that. These aren't reports that Andrew wrote himself.

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<v Speaker 3>There were reports about what he was doing. They were

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<v Speaker 3>written for him by one of his staffers. He would

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<v Speaker 3>then be emailed the report Prince Andrew, and he would

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<v Speaker 3>then be forwarding it to Epstein within minutes of it

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<v Speaker 3>being generated. It was just like a reflexive, instant thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what the emails purport to show. Like I say,

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<v Speaker 3>none of this has been proven in court, and just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a quick note, like an admin note here

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<v Speaker 3>obviously Prince Andrew for Prince Andrew Andrew Manbatten Windsor is

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<v Speaker 3>now called, has been arrested in the UK. The police

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<v Speaker 3>investigation is active, as they say, which means that I

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<v Speaker 3>am now bound by contempt of court rules. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm limited in what I can what I can say

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't want to go to jail, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>the way the law works in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, yeah, put some more.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people are completely familiar with that. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to note that it's the now that this

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<v Speaker 1>is happening. It actually means there's going to be this

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<v Speaker 1>huge haze around everything because people aren't allowed to say things.

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<v Speaker 4>What are the things? Were? Types of things? Can't you say?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so stuff that's already in the public domain. I

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<v Speaker 3>can discuss the fact that things have happened or things

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<v Speaker 3>are claimed, but I couldn't as I've been I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you've noticed so careful to say. So far, everything is alleged.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is claimed. The emails purport to show, because of

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<v Speaker 3>course it's not been proven in court that these emails

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<v Speaker 3>are real, that it was the actual Prince Andrew who

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<v Speaker 3>sent those emails. And that's that's what's going to be coming,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure in the coming weeks and months. So the

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<v Speaker 3>position where we are now right this instant is that

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew was arrested. I keep on calling Prince Andrew,

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<v Speaker 3>but was going to stick with it because it's everybody

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<v Speaker 3>knows them by that name. It was arrested earlier this

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<v Speaker 3>morning at his home in Norfolk on the there's a

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<v Speaker 3>royal estate up there called Sandringham. The British police have

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours to question him. At that point, they've

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<v Speaker 3>got to make a decision. Are they going to charte

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<v Speaker 3>or they're going to cut him loose. It's quite possible

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<v Speaker 3>that he'll be released this evening so he's not forced

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep overnight in a police cell. But then again,

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<v Speaker 3>they could keep him until tomorrow morning if they feel

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<v Speaker 3>like they need to hold him for questioning that long.

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<v Speaker 2>My instinct is that they may not charge now.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be released pending further inquiries. But the important

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<v Speaker 3>thing for the police and for the investigation now is

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<v Speaker 3>that they've made the arrest. I believe they have seized

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew's digital devices, so they're going to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to pry into these now. Look at that digital paper

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<v Speaker 3>trail and sort of get the other side because of

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<v Speaker 3>course we have the server from Epstein which has been

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<v Speaker 3>released in the US, which is what got all this going.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's always the other side of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>What else Prince Andrew's discussing at the time, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we just don't know what else is going

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<v Speaker 3>to come out, what's going to come out in court.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so do he's one of the guys over and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's so important that actually is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>accues of p to feel you, which is funny because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really what it is. He's actually because I

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<v Speaker 1>know the age consent in the UK is sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be crystal clear for legal purposes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about him perhaps praying on some of older miners

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<v Speaker 1>or do we way we define them as miners in

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<v Speaker 1>the US. But it's interesting because as we track the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein stuff obsessively in America, we are not. We're it's

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<v Speaker 1>very rare anyone has any is getting accused of being pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been wrapped. We even round up a single pedophile

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I can tell. As revenue conversation from

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<v Speaker 1>all the latest drops, which is kind of surprising even

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<v Speaker 1>to me, who runs skeptical about everything the government releases.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's one of the guys who actually is a

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<v Speaker 1>cue of praying on the women, what is what do

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<v Speaker 1>we know or what is being alleged?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, actually because in

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<v Speaker 3>terms again going back to what we could talk about

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<v Speaker 3>and can't talk about something that's been in the air

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<v Speaker 3>for a very long time, going back to the last

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<v Speaker 3>day following that those photographs that were taken of Epstein

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew together in New York in twenty ten, was

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<v Speaker 3>these allegations by a woman called Virginia Jeffrey that she

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<v Speaker 3>had been sexually trafficked by Epstein to Prince Andrew, for

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew to use rape whatever word you want to

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<v Speaker 3>use for that, and that again has never been proven

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<v Speaker 3>in court. Now, obviously he hasn't been arrested on anything

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<v Speaker 3>to do with that. The arrests are over misuse of

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<v Speaker 3>public office, over the corruption allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Have his computers, can I presume go through his files

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what exactly been going on. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing I'm talking about when it's like possibly

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<v Speaker 3>other things will follow. I cannot even begin to imagine

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<v Speaker 3>or say that they will, but anything is possible at

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<v Speaker 3>this stage.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the Virginia Jeffrey thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been it's been in the air a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and there have been claims and claims and nothing has

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<v Speaker 3>ever been proven. But that we believe is the reason

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<v Speaker 3>that the King cut Prince Andrew out of the royal

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<v Speaker 3>family progressively and his mother before him, for that matter,

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<v Speaker 3>progressively over the past five or so years, to the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the final conclusion of that last year where

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<v Speaker 3>he lost his actual royal title, he ceased to be

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<v Speaker 3>a prince at all and became plain old Andrew Manbattan

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<v Speaker 3>windsor sermons of his grandfather's.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so the royal family Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, nine, I'm sorry interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the royal family have been a pretty proactive

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<v Speaker 3>in this, getting well ahead of it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think there's any indication that they knew that this specifically

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<v Speaker 3>was coming. Like I say, they didn't know this rest

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<v Speaker 3>was coming. I don't think there's any indication that they

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<v Speaker 3>knew there'd been malpractice in public office before those emails

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<v Speaker 3>came out. I think that quite possible, was a surprise

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<v Speaker 3>to everyone. But like I say, there's been these claims,

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<v Speaker 3>these rumors swelling for a long time. And just to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to what you were saying about, like the

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<v Speaker 3>child sex abuse angle in terms of British law, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there's any suggestion that there's been any sex

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<v Speaker 3>abuse of children, but that the person that allegedly he

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<v Speaker 3>had sex with had been trafficked for the purpose of

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the problem now. I think there's also a

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion that he might have also had sex with this

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<v Speaker 3>woman in the United States, and it might have been

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<v Speaker 3>in a state where she wasn't legally of age. It's

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<v Speaker 3>very borderline stuff. I don't want to like, you know this,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been proven in court.

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<v Speaker 4>Does this guy do anything good?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he make any meaningful contributions to humanity as far

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<v Speaker 1>as we can tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, like we started out, you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>was this it was a bona farde war hero once

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<v Speaker 3>upon a time and did this trade and industry thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But as it turns out, he may have been using

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<v Speaker 3>that role to feather the nests of himself and friends,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of you win, some of your lose.

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<v Speaker 4>So who could get dragon to this? What are the implications?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are let's talk I want to take on the

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<v Speaker 1>royal family and then I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>labor government, any perhaps figures in there who could get

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up on this.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's talk about what does it mean for the

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<v Speaker 4>royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do the royal family first. So, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was just touching on, I think they've been pretty proactive

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<v Speaker 3>in dealing with this and getting like ahead of what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So what has.

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<v Speaker 3>Happened today is thoroughly extraordinary and there is no president

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<v Speaker 3>for it in modern times. And this is a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a gripe of mine because we've had some royal

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<v Speaker 3>commentators in the UK today saying there is no president

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<v Speaker 3>for this at all, which is quite obviously patently false.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had a relatively stable run.

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<v Speaker 3>Of decades in the UK with our royal family, especially

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<v Speaker 3>compared to Europe, where most of their royles have been murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you look at the longs stretch of history

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<v Speaker 3>on the British Isles where there have been several royal families,

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<v Speaker 3>several monarchies, kings having to deal with their troublesome brothers

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<v Speaker 3>has been the norm, it has not.

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<v Speaker 2>Been the exception.

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<v Speaker 3>And in fact, I was amused to note the police

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<v Speaker 3>arrested Andrew today, which is bad luck for him because

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<v Speaker 3>it's his sixty sixth birthday, and I thought, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they could have arrested him yesterday or tomorrow, to not

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<v Speaker 3>arrested on his birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Not but of course justice works that way.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's an even crazier anniversary yesterday, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>in fourteen seventy eight, the Duke of Clarence was.

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<v Speaker 2>Executed. This is the brother of the king.

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<v Speaker 3>So in terms of inauspicious dates, I think arresting the

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<v Speaker 3>Prince yesterday would have been even worse. Anyway, I'm getting

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<v Speaker 3>lost down a one way track here. The point is,

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<v Speaker 3>how does this touch the Royal family? This is extraordinary,

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<v Speaker 3>This is without president in modern times. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>feeling like there's this sense of like genuine crisis surrounding

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<v Speaker 3>the Royal family because they air gapped themselves from Prince

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew last year, and so this guys no longer a

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<v Speaker 3>royal prince. This guy is no longer working with the firm.

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<v Speaker 3>We've ostracized him. I think they've been seen to have

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<v Speaker 3>done the right thing. Now, who knows what follows. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I say, the police are going to be doing their investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Charges may follow, and it may get worse from here,

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<v Speaker 3>but right now it doesn't seem that bad for the Royals.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of politics.

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<v Speaker 3>If I were Peter Mandelson, I would probably be pretty

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<v Speaker 3>well panicking right now. Peter Mandlson, of course, the former

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<v Speaker 3>ambassador from the United Kingdom to the United States, a

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<v Speaker 3>former European Commissioner, a very big, very influential figure in

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<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party. This guy has been running the Labor

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<v Speaker 3>Party from the shadows on and off basically as long

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<v Speaker 3>as I've been alive. A very powerful and consequential person

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<v Speaker 3>who also has been revealed to have and again allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>in the emails in the Epstein emails release over the

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<v Speaker 3>past few weeks, allegedly revealed to have been sending confidential

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<v Speaker 3>information to friend Jeff Free to get him give him that. Yea,

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<v Speaker 3>that scoop on what's happening in the world, what the

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<v Speaker 3>British government's going to be doing tomorrow, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, people who listen to my show. Please, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people listen my show or no. Peter Mandelsson's name. I've

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<v Speaker 1>brought him up a number of times. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Mandelson, British strategist, Labor Party stalwart for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. He is someone who's been wrapped up in this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's someone who you know for decades has just

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<v Speaker 1>been a stalwart in British politics. Remind people of his background.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had a close friendship with Epstein that I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've known about, but it continued even well after

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<v Speaker 1>his conviction. He's wrapped up in this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So Mandelson is like one of these grand old men

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<v Speaker 3>of the Labor Party. He created New Labor basically one

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<v Speaker 3>of the very key figures in that back in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen nineties, which pulled Labor away from its working class roots,

0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:17.040
<v Speaker 3>reinvented it as a metropolitan elite party, something for university

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<v Speaker 3>educated people rather than people who you know, work for

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<v Speaker 3>a living.

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<v Speaker 2>But frankly, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was through that mechanism that he created that Labour won

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<v Speaker 3>that enormous election victory in ninety seven and carried on

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<v Speaker 3>all the way through to twenty ten, huge run of

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<v Speaker 3>power for them and very unusual for Labor which don't

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<v Speaker 3>normally do that well of elections in this country. So

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<v Speaker 3>a very consequential, a very important person. And just like

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<v Speaker 3>again we allegedly believe Prince Andrew, he had this friendship

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<v Speaker 3>with Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>It was drawn to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Year, this powerful man, and that meant that he was

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<v Speaker 3>still in contact with him after Epstein's release from prison

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time for.

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<v Speaker 2>Child sex abuse crimes or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have that same very similar sort of story

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly where after Epstein's release from prison, Mandelsson is emailing

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<v Speaker 3>him saying I much you're looking forward to seeing him

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<v Speaker 3>meeting up And again it's something that we've known about

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the big scandal that's hit the British.

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<v Speaker 3>Government over the past couple of weeks, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>they had no excuse whatsoever to say when we appoint

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<v Speaker 3>reappointed Mandelsson to this big job for him being the

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<v Speaker 3>ambassador to the US, one of the most consequential diplomatic postings.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, also because he's this incredibly important

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<v Speaker 3>person inside the Labor Party, he was helping Starmer run

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<v Speaker 3>the government allegedly during this time while he was ambassador.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew beforehand because everybody knew it was in the newspapers.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a single Google search away that he had

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<v Speaker 3>this close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And then when all

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<v Speaker 3>these latest emails came out, it made everybody look at

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<v Speaker 3>it again and go, yeah, why is this guy? Why

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<v Speaker 3>is this guy so powerful in the Labor Party? Why

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<v Speaker 3>do you keep on letting him get away with this?

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<v Speaker 3>So in terms of like people who should be watching

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<v Speaker 3>their backs at this stage, you have Beata Mandleton, because

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<v Speaker 3>the police began their investigation into Mandelssohn and Prince Andrew

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<v Speaker 3>at about the same time, within.

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<v Speaker 2>A few hours of each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So if assuming any of this is true, assuming the

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<v Speaker 3>police have been looking at this evidence and making their decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>could we assume that Mandleson will getting a knock on

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<v Speaker 3>the door shortly. I think it's possible he certainly the

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<v Speaker 3>police have certainly already raided his house, taken away cartons

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<v Speaker 3>of documents, they have been considering those. And then you

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<v Speaker 3>have the political implications for the broader Labor Party and

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<v Speaker 3>the new attack line just today from Nigel Farage as

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<v Speaker 3>he's launched a new whole new website, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that the uilist thing like labour has a problem dot

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<v Speaker 3>org and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go through to that.

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<v Speaker 3>The new tagline that Farage is pushing is that labor

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<v Speaker 3>has a pedophile problem. And this is not just with

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<v Speaker 3>the Mandelson issue and his closeness to Jeffrey Epstein, although

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 3>to be perfectly clear, at this stage there's no suggestion

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<v Speaker 3>that Mandelson was involved in the sexual side of things.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a purely business and social relation as far

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<v Speaker 3>as we know, so the claims go. But there's layer

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<v Speaker 3>upon within labor of very senior labor people who are

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<v Speaker 3>alleged to have been close to child sex offenders, have defended.

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<v Speaker 2>Child sex offenders.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have like the broader problem that's facing

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<v Speaker 3>the UK that you know, you and I Alex have

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<v Speaker 3>been talking about for as long as we've known each other,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that in labor controlled areas of the UK,

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<v Speaker 3>these former mining towns that are stray trinally labor where

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<v Speaker 3>they've had a great deal of mass migration, where young

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<v Speaker 3>children have been gone through war crime level horrors at

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<v Speaker 3>the hands of what they call predominantly Pakistani rape gangs

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<v Speaker 3>and Labor appears to have covered that up in these areas.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what reformers saying. Now Labor has a

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<v Speaker 3>creedophile problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So but is it a pedophile problem or is it

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<v Speaker 1>a doing business with a bad guy problem? And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the whole trick with the Epstein staff where people

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<v Speaker 1>who are not obsessed with it can get lost. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that because we're not really arresting any pedophiles. It seems like,

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.640
<v Speaker 1>so what are the business connections that these guys could

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>have with Epstein that are illegal? We know Epstein was

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a bad guy, an evil guy, even but I just

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.120
<v Speaker 1>don't It's very hard to say what are.

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<v Speaker 4>The takeaways that we know to this point of or

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:30.440
<v Speaker 4>are there any.

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Well not yes, because as I say so little has

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 3>been proven. But in terms of the broader situation we're in,

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.440
<v Speaker 3>like I say, this is a moment of political peril

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 3>in the UK for the broader political ecosystem around Peter Mandelsson.

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>This is a moment of perl for the royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>Although as I say, they haven't made the same mistakes

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 3>say that Labor have, because even while people knew that

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Peter Mandelson had been friends with Epstein, even after it

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 3>became publicly inappropriate do so Labour still stuck with him

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and made him important and kept him at the top

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 3>and gave him a top job. When it became apparent

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 3>that Prince Andrew had continued to be friends with Jeffrey

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Epstein after it had been appropriate to do so, the

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Royal family cut him loose and said, you know you're

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 3>a danger, off you go. So I think that the

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 3>political danger is to Labor is greater than it is

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 3>to the royal family. But you talk about the business relationship, Like,

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.479
<v Speaker 3>because both of these, as far as we know from

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 3>the evidence we've seen the alleged evidence, it appears to

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 3>be more about money than it does about sex, although

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 3>there does appear to be a sexual element in the

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Prince Andrew one as well. And like, what's the what's

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.120
<v Speaker 3>the reciprocal relationship here? Like what are these guys getting

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 3>out of it? Because we can see what Epstein's getting

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 3>out of it, which is he's getting this privileged allegedly

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.359
<v Speaker 3>getting this privileged confidential information from very highly placed, knowledgeable

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 3>people in the UK. What are they then getting in response? Well,

0:24:55.600 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 3>in some in some cases it's money. Allegedly with Peter Mandelson,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.919
<v Speaker 3>the claims from the emails are that he and his

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 3>husband that is in a same sex marriage, he and

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 3>his husband received for the UK considerable amounts of money.

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's tens of thousands of dollars, which to

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 3>an American I think would probably make you laugh. British

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 3>politics is so cheap. People have really bought very cheaply. Indeeds,

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 3>there's so little money in British politics. You know, the

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 3>price of entry for corruption is very low, alleged corruption,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.200
<v Speaker 3>I should say, so, there's definitely a money element there

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 3>for Prince Andrew. I think again it's shocking to think

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 3>because the Royal family is fabulously wealthy, but he's clearly

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 3>a man who's always been unlucky with money. I don't

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 3>particularly want to talk about his wife, Fergie, because it's

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 3>just not something I've delved into very deeply, and she's

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 3>not a character I find particularly interesting or engaging when

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 3>we put it that way. But she is somebody who

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 3>has always had money troubles and my belief is that

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 3>she has received money from Epstein in the past as

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 3>well to help clear debts. So you know, that's the

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 3>way the relationship goes. You know, information flows one way.

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 3>And money or the other.

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So let's use this as an opportunity to talk about

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Nigel Farage you mentioned is seizing on the moment politically

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>as he should.

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 4>It is.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Reading the headlines from across the pond, Oliver, it does

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>look like there is a chance that Nigel Farage could

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>complete his revolution of his now Reform Party, but really

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the original Brexit movement just fighting the globalist and the

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 1>establishment in the UK. It does seem like it's not

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that he is particularly strong right now, which he is.

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>He does seem particularly strong, but it seems like there's

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.959
<v Speaker 1>so much weakness in the establishment parties now that this

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>really could be a moment where he could a catabult

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>himself for all the way the prime ministership is that

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>possible handicap things?

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Where are we now?

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so first of all, let's let's give the big

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 3>question out of the way.

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it possible?

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 3>I have always been a real realist on this stuff,

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 3>and I think you and I have had this conversation

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 3>before about people saying Nigel Faraj is going to be

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 3>the next Prime Minister of.

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 2>The UK, and I've always said, no, he's not. I

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>love Nigel.

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 3>I think he's a very highly intelligent, skilled person, but

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 3>that's not the way the British constitution works, and it's

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 3>still the case now. Nigel is riding high in the

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 3>polls and the most likely thing is he is not

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the next primis for the UK.

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 2>My hope is that he's the.

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Next prime minister, but one because we have a parliamentary system.

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.959
<v Speaker 2>When Starmer falls, which he inevitably.

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Will be it over this this Epstein Peter Mandelson thing,

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 3>or over one of the thousands of other things about

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 3>which he is completely politically clueless, ruddleus and incapable, something

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 3>will get him sooner or later, and probably early this year,

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 3>I should think. Just because he falls, there isn't then

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 3>a snap election in the UK. The Labor Party, which

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 3>commands Parliament will select from inside their group a new leader.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 2>They will become the Prime Minister.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 3>That person will then have the thankless task of trying

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 3>to lead this ungovernable country according to their own whims,

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 3>until it's time for an election, and that maybe sooner

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 3>or rather than later. Of course, according to British law

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 3>our constitution, the next election has to happen by twenty

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 3>twenty nine, and all things told, that's probably the most

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 3>likely time there will be an election. But Forarag has

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>this theory that labor is running our economy so badly,

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 3>it's running the country into the ground so shamelessly that

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 3>there will be a mother of all financial crises and

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 3>it will be so bad it will force the government,

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 3>the government itself to collapse and Parliament will be dissolved

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 3>and they'll have to be fresh elections, which he then

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>presumably would win.

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>That's his vision, and.

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 3>He's saying there's a slight chance there'll be an election

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 3>as early as twenty twenty seven, so putting his money

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>where his mouth is. Farage has said that he's going

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 3>to put his party, Reform UK, on a war footing.

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>They're selecting their election candidates so if there is a

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 3>snap election, they're ready to go, because that's what got

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 3>them last time. Richie Sudak, former Prime minister, called an

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 3>early election which surprised people. Reforms simply wasn't ready. They

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 3>were campaigning from a standing start, which really harmed them.

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 3>And he doesn't want to be caught flat footed twice.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so two big quo takeaways from this.

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you think is the appropriate move for Reform

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Party Nigel to capitalize on the Moment's number one in

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>what do you think is the best move from the

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>labor government to try to defend themselves.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>I like a bit of steel manning. That'll be fun.

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>So for Forage, what he needs to do is keep.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Doing what he's doing now.

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 3>And it's an interesting position he's in now because I

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 3>think Forage has become.

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Sufficiently baked into the equation.

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 3>He's definitely part of the political furniture now and I

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 3>think people are already accepting that he's going to be

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 3>the future government.

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 2>And because of.

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 3>That and the speed with which the Overton window is

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 3>shifting around him, I think it's instructive to note there

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>is now a like as Forage had long been the

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 3>devil sitting on the shoulder with the Conservative Party going

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you can't do that, that's not right wing enough, like

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 3>come please get Brittin out to the European Union, please

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 3>do something about mass migration.

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>And that was kind of his role for a long time.

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 3>And as he becomes the main stream, like Farrage has

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>always called himself center right, like a centrist. He's never

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 3>thought of himself as extreme, and he's always aligned himself

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 3>with the basically the British people, which is actually the

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 3>things that I say most British people agree with. It's

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 3>just the political hacks, the Westminster people who say that

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm really on the right, actually that this is the center.

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>You just can't see it.

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 3>So the fact that I think that this is now

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 3>being so baked and is fascinating because there's now a

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>right wing party to the right of Frage that's launched

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 3>this week called True Restore, led by a Chapman called

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Rupert Low. So the fact that then there's somebody now

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 3>pulling Nigel Farage to the right, possibly because they're now

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 3>sitting on his shoulder and going you're not being strive enough,

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 3>or mass migration, like we really do have to deport

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 3>people who shouldn't be here. I find that fascinating. My

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>message to Frag is keep through to the message, keep

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 3>doing what you're doing, because by not being a creature

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 3>of the swamp, by not being part of the Westminster establishment,

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.239
<v Speaker 3>that's your best hope of getting in. Because everybody is

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 3>sick to death of the two party consensus that we've

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>had in this country for a century now. It has

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 3>not worked and the country is suffering terribly for it. Now,

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.239
<v Speaker 3>let's think about what labor can do. And I've been

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 3>turning this over in the back of my head while

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 3>I've been talking about Farage, and they're in a bit

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 3>of a sticky wicket because they are in the same

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>position the Conservatives were a couple of years ago, which

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 3>is that everybody knows that they are venal and corrupt

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 3>and inefficient and low iq and ineffective. And the best

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 3>thing that they should do is apologize to the country,

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 3>resign their seats from Westminster and never darken the doors

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 3>of politics again. Is exactly what the Conservative should have done.

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 3>And in fairness, some of them are getting there. They've

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of figured out that they were the problem and

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 3>labor is the problem. But what can they do to

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 3>save themselves? They can save their souls by resigning. Let

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 3>me put it that way, go to church.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 4>What do you last one? And this is just sort

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 4>of a general one.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>What is it with the UK your culture of just

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>resigning whenever you've won defeat. I mean it's always striking

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to be a very watcher, you know UK television and

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. It's we's you know, someone's resigning, Like

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>why you said this?

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Great victory three weeks ago.

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we lost this latest foot and so I

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>have to quit politics for life. It feels like we

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 1>don't have any sort of there's a deep sense of

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>pride and de quorum to have that sort of culture

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's really endured.

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Well. So that's an interesting point.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 3>So that one of the big discussions we're having in

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 3>the UK at the moment, which is one of those

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 3>things I think ordinary people would have been thinking about

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>for like a century, but it's just being permitted to

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>be talked about in public now, which is what is

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>a British person who is British? And the government position

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 3>on this is that whether you're British or not is

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>a purely cultural question. If you can sort of do

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 3>this tickbox of like, you know, you speak English and

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>you drink tea and you believe in diversity and all

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing, like for the government, that's good enough.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 3>And actually there is a even assuming you went with

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>this culturist idea of what it means to belong to Britain,

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 3>there is actually a real, like not made up in

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Westminster in a focus group, there is a real, long standing,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 3>persistent British culture which you have just identified a part

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>of there, which is that it prizes very highly humility

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 3>and the ability to fall on one sword or to

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 3>withdraw to the drawing room with a glass of whiskey

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 3>and a revolver when things have gone just a tiny

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>bit wrong, and to own up and to resign. And

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 3>it's something that I think we do in our heart

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 3>of hearts, really truly admire, which is somebody who's not

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 3>a grifter, not in politics for life, and can go

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 3>back to the farm if they've made a small state,

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 3>and long may it be the case. I thoroughly support it. Yeah.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Amen, we could use a lot more of that here

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. All right, Oliver, incredible information, and

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. You do an amazing job on

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>all subjects.

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 4>But it was really nice to get your take on

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 4>these two in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk to you next time thanks to Mistin

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be in the audience see us say