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Speaker 1: I want to talk today about a broad theme that

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Speaker 1: I'm calling the beginning of history. Sometimes in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I'm provoked to do this in part by some conversations

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Speaker 1: It's over. Liberal democracy has one This is not to

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Speaker 4: What we're seeing is they have figured out how to

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Speaker 1: Dennis, let me press back on you partly, just so

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Speaker 4: So I would answer your question with a question before

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Speaker 1: Well, I would answer what's in it for me is

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Speaker 4: All right, I'll tell you what what about I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: So what about for every mosque that I put up

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Speaker 4: I'll give you a mosque, You give me a church,

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Speaker 4: You do that, then you show me that you want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they sure are. But I'm going to continue

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Speaker 1: Well, there you can. President Lynch. Maybe not the most

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Speaker 4: your people acting in good faith. To be quite honest,

432
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Speaker 4: in fact, every time you send somebody here, either they

433
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: are stealing from me, they're lying to me, they're marrying

434
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Speaker 4: their brother in order to get in here. And then

435
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: of course when I when I'm not looking. They're practicing

436
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: Sharia law. And then they're in the streets saying how

437
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: there is that they're going to take over America. And

438
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: so you know, when I I'm not crazy about the Russians,

439
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: I'm not crazy about the Italians. I'm an Irish guy,

440
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Speaker 4: but I've never had a Jew. I've never had an irishman.

441
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: I've never had, you know, somebody from Sweden come over

442
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: and the first thing they say to me is that

443
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: they're going to take over my country from within. So,

444
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, I do not trust you, folks.

445
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: I don't need your money. I happen to be a

446
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: very very well off country, even though I'm.

447
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: Borrowing too much. I'm going to change that around. Here's

448
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: the thing.

449
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Speaker 4: If you really want to show me who you are

450
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: and what you believe in and you won't let me

451
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: open up churches, that's still something I'm going to put

452
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Speaker 4: a side eye to. But here's the big problem. What

453
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 4: about we start off with right now? Just sign the

454
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Speaker 4: book here, just sign it. Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization.

455
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Speaker 4: Let's start with that.

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Speaker 1: You willing to do that, well, I think I think

457
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pull out of the conversation for a

458
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Speaker 1: moment here, because I think there you sort of have

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Speaker 1: the qataris. Well, let me put it differently. If I

460
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Speaker 1: were to truly answer your question, I would have to

461
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Speaker 1: go full Takia on you, right, I would have to

462
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: want disguised my true motives because I think we both

463
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Speaker 1: know the answer to that question y And the look,

464
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Speaker 1: I think that the issue we're wrestling with here, and

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm pressing you, frankly, is not to defend

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Speaker 1: the Islamic position. It's actually to expose some of the

467
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Speaker 1: vulnerabilities of the American position here. Because let's just pick

468
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Speaker 1: it up from where we left off. You know, is

469
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Speaker 1: it possible, is it even practical, let's say, for America

470
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Speaker 1: to create an immigration policy in which we were to

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Speaker 1: say no Muslims. I mean, that's ay, that would be

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Speaker 1: a tricky thing to do. The whole objective of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five Immigration Act was to remove some of

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Speaker 1: the ethnic and racial elements and immigration that were there

475
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Speaker 1: from the twenties. So you know, I can understand in

476
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Speaker 1: America if we were to say, all right, we want

477
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Speaker 1: to move to a skills based immigration as opposed to

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Speaker 1: let's say, familyfication, right, that would be an improvement in

479
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: my opinion. But the idea of explicitly saying, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we don't even treat Islam as a religion. We're going

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Speaker 1: to treat it as some sort of an ideology. We're

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Speaker 1: going to classify it as dangerous or terrorists. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to let any Muslims in here. I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you see that as some place that America can go

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Speaker 1: consistent with the Constitution, or do you think that there

486
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Speaker 1: are obstacles to that?

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Speaker 4: No, Well, listen, Denesh, there's obstacles in getting a stop

488
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 4: sign on the corner these days, right, because you're going

489
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: to invade the turtles that live there. But I mean, look,

490
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: let me ask you a question. I don't know this

491
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: about you, and are you native born?

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00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, I was born in Bombay. I came to

493
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Speaker 1: America at the age of seventeen, and I became a

494
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Speaker 1: citizen in ninety one.

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00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm glad I know that. Okay.

496
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Speaker 4: So with that being said, you know, I have you

497
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: and I have never dined together, but we're of the

498
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: same ilk in terms of the way we think and

499
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 4: what we've done. And I find you as being an

500
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: extremely patriotic American. In fact, probably one of the best ones.

501
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: That if if somebody said to me, hey, round me

502
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: up and I want people of all different colors, I'd say,

503
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: a right, give me Ben Carson, give me Dnesh de Sousa.

504
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: I mean so, I have a lot of respect for you, Okay.

505
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: With that said, at this point in time, from what

506
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: I've learned in my twenty years of immigration is that

507
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: our vetting process is hideous, and we continue to put

508
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Speaker 4: the United States of America at great risk, not only

509
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: just from a national security standpoint, but also from a

510
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Speaker 4: cultural standpoint.

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Speaker 2: See you come over here, Denesh.

512
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Speaker 4: And when I look at you, I look at me.

513
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 4: My skin complexion is lighter than yours, but I don't

514
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Speaker 4: look at it that way. When I consulted for Ben

515
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: Carson in twenty sixteen, he said to me, Dennis, I

516
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: want you to come. I want you to consult for

517
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: me and teach me everything I need to know about immigration.

518
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: And I said, well, I'm going to be voting for Trump.

519
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: He says, I don't care. I still see you Fox,

520
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: I want you to come over. I went there because

521
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: I thought he would make a great vice president. At

522
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm on the same team.

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00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: All right, you are that same sort of person. I

524
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: mean the things that you have risked and the price

525
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: that you have had to pay for the way that

526
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: you've tried to defend America against things like Obama and

527
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton. I mean, I could line up fifty white

528
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: guys and they don't and they're not as patriotic as you.

529
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: So for me, this is no longer about Hey, I

530
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: don't want brown people, I don't want Muslim people. I

531
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: want to be able to vet who's coming into my country.

532
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: We got lucky with Denesh Desusa, but we didn't get

533
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: so lucky with ilan Omar.

534
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: And so what I know.

535
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: About the immigration process is that the process of putting

536
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: through twelve million visas and having to go through all

537
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: these background checks, we don't have the people Denesh. And

538
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: then on top of that, we're just saying come.

539
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: On over because you're a third world come.

540
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: On over because you're this No, it needs to be

541
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: a basis of value you are for value to this country.

542
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: I'm not going to wind up inviting you in anymore

543
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: because you have the right mother and father based on

544
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: the chain migration rules. So what's happened is our laws

545
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: about immigration need to be changed and updated once again.

546
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: And that's not unfair of me to say. It doesn't

547
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: make me a racist or anything else in that nature.

548
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: If I had a company that made black and white televisions,

549
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: what would you come and say to me, Say, Dennis,

550
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 4: you got to change it. Man. We're now in flat screen,

551
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: and that's all that is. I think that most Americans

552
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: are saying. I would, through proclamation, which the President himself

553
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: just tweeted not so long ago, I would say, let's

554
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: end all legal immigration into the country for a period

555
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: of time until we can redo our vetting system. And

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: if it makes you feel any better, Danese Desusa, if

557
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: it makes you feel any better, ilan Omar, we can

558
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: start banning the Irish coming over my own. Let's I'm

559
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: not talking about color. I want to stop it for

560
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: everybody because I can't see who's coming into my country

561
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: and it is becoming detrimental on many different aspects from

562
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: a national security standpoint, from a financial standpoint, and quite honestly,

563
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Speaker 4: from a cultural standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean the principle you're talking about I agree

565
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent, and I would even go further

566
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: to say that. I don't even think it is a

567
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: bureaucratic problem. It's not that we don't have enough personnel.

568
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: It is that the project that you're describing is not

569
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: even being attempted. In other words, it's not even like

570
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: they're trying. It'd be one thing if they were like, listen,

571
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: we're going to try to find immigrants who love America,

572
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Speaker 1: who assimilate, who are coming here because this is a

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00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: great club and they want to be members, and if

574
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: they were bureaucratically failing to achieve that goal, but they don't,

575
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: are not even trying to go there now. In some ways,

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Speaker 1: I think Trump's way of thinking about this appears to be,

577
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, and it's very trumpy, and it's like, hey, listen,

578
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you got five one hundred thousand dollars to bring with

579
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: you in your pocket. Well, okay, we're gonna let you

580
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: let you in here. But I think what you're saying

581
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: is that that's not enough. Yes, you can bring the money,

582
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: but you also need to bring a set of cultural

583
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: values and expectations. You really need to want to play

584
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: by our rules instead of trying to get us to

585
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: play by your rules. Is that your bottom line?

586
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the thing. Look, I voted for Trump

587
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: three times.

588
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: I have an incredible amount of admiration for the fight

589
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: that that man has in him, and I truly believe

590
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: he loves America just as anybody else does. However, he

591
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: has a bias towards the financial systems. Right, you got

592
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 4: to give me more in tariffs.

593
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: You need to give me more.

594
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna charge your five million dollars for a green card,

595
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 4: whatever it may be.

596
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: Not everything's about money, you know.

597
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you make your films because you're passionate about

598
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: filmmaking and about the topics that you're filming and what

599
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: you used to write about. Right, you still write, But

600
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: before you made films, you were a writer, and the

601
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: money followed that. It wasn't I'm gonna write books because

602
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make millions of dollars.

603
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: It was I'm a smart guy.

604
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: I have things to say, I'm gonna write it down,

605
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: and if I'm really good, my craft is gonna pay

606
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: for itself. I think where Trump is making the mistake

607
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: is he's putting the money in front of everything. I'll

608
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 4: give you a prime example of this, the nesh There's

609
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: no better example that I'm going to give you right now.

610
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: If I were truly President Lynch, the first thing I

611
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: would do right now to open up affordability and to

612
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 4: open up jobs, and to end this nonsense of having

613
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: the ICE agents running around like Keystone cops showing one

614
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: guy that they caught and making it like an accomplishment.

615
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 2: When we got forty million people in here.

616
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: Illegally, I would put in mandatory everify. It is mandatory

617
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: for government, it is mandatory for government contractors, but for

618
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: everybody else in the country it's voluntary. So if you

619
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: put in mandatory ever a verify in and we were

620
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 4: to cut the dragon off at the head, many of

621
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: these people would self deport because they'd have no more

622
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: money train.

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Speaker 2: The President won't do that. He won't even tweet about it.

624
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: And the only time I've ever seen anybody ever ask

625
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 4: him about it, Denesh, was Steve Hilton on a Fox

626
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: News hit going back a couple of years ago, and

627
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 4: he said, this is what Trump said, his own honesty

628
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: sometimes bites him in the ass. He said, I tried

629
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: using e verified when we built the hotel here in Washington, DC,

630
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: and we had to go through like twenty six people

631
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: before we could.

632
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Find an employee. I mean he sold it for me.

633
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: He sold it, and if he were have put that

634
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: into place, it would be a problem solver like nothing else.

635
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: But he won't because he knows as a contractor it's

636
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: a pain and he has to have to go through

637
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: that whole process.

638
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: Same thing as being a.

639
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: Guy who has wineries and golf clubs who these people

640
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: hiring his donor class.

641
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: They all want the cheap labor, and he's hearing from people.

642
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: If you get rid of these people, the economy has

643
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: going to bottom out. No, if you keep these people,

644
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: we're going to lose our country. Because here's my big thing.

645
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 4: We have a military filled of twenty five year old

646
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 4: mostly guys, and at some point they're gonna look at

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Speaker 4: the United States of America and say, what's in it

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Speaker 4: for me? You want me to lay my life down

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Speaker 4: for this country, and yet I can't even buy a

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 4: You're giving all of our money, you're given, all of

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Speaker 4: our time over to the Kataris and over the Saudis.

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Speaker 2: You're treating You're treating an.

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Speaker 4: Al Qaeda freaking leader with a ten million dollar bounty

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Speaker 4: on his head. You're giving him a state dinner, and

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting here saying I can't pay the bills. And

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Speaker 4: so I think if Trump stopped worrying about tomorrow's GDP

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Speaker 4: and started worrying about tomorrow's American citizen, it.

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Speaker 2: Would be totally one hundred percent different.

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Speaker 4: And then when you take somebody like Tucker Colson, and

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Speaker 4: I see somebody who has made so much money and

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Speaker 4: so much success because of what America offers him, and

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Speaker 4: now he's sitting here and he's crapping on it by

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Speaker 4: going over and justifying, making it sound like the Kataris

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Speaker 4: are mother Teresa.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just insane.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm buying a property because I think this

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Speaker 4: place is beautiful. They freaking treat women like their goats.

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Speaker 4: If you're gay, you're gonna get thrown off a building.

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Speaker 4: If you touch something that isn't yours, they're gonna chop

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Speaker 4: off your hand. I hear Tucker saying the other day, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you've got a Lamborghini and you leave

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Speaker 4: the keys in the ignition and it doesn't get stolen,

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Speaker 4: that's not so bad with that stupid laugh, Yeah, because

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Speaker 4: if you touch it, they're gonna murder you. And so

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Speaker 4: this guy is normalizing it in the same way that

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Speaker 4: Trump normalized an al Qada freaking piece of garbage. Then

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Speaker 4: the Saudi prince, and then Ma'm Danny. They're normalizing this.

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Speaker 4: And this is why our youth, this is why you're

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Speaker 4: going up against the nip twentes, and they've been sold.

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Speaker 2: This bag of goods.

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Speaker 4: And so I look at this and I blame I

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Speaker 4: blame Tucker Colson, I blame Candace Olwens. I blame all

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Speaker 4: these people who are just switching things around and making

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Speaker 4: it sound like Islam is our best friend.

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Speaker 2: It is our worst enemy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the very good thing you're doing here, Dennis,

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Speaker 1: is that you are very passionately articulating an America First

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Speaker 1: agenda that is done without going the Tucker Candice route.

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Speaker 1: In other words, I think the way that Tucker and

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Speaker 1: Candace like to see the world, it's them on the

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Speaker 1: one side, and like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin on

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Speaker 1: the other. And it's pretty easy to say, well, those

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Speaker 1: guys are Israel first. Those guys don't care about America.

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Speaker 1: I do. And what you're saying is no, I really do.

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Speaker 1: And a true America First agenda would be genuinely America first,

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't cozy up to Shariah and wouldn't cozy up

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Speaker 1: to Qatar, recognizing that these people are highly duplicitous. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Israel may have its problems, but getting into bed with

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Speaker 1: these guys too, you know, as an alternative is worse when.

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Speaker 4: You uh yeah, I mean, look, you're gonna get me started.

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Speaker 4: If I get two wild, you gotta slow me down.

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Speaker 4: Put your hands up like this.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 4: I am not anti Israel. I'm not pro Israel. I'm

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Speaker 4: pro America. I got veterans, mothers and children sleeping in

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Speaker 4: the streets.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I made a film. I'm not looking a pitch.

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Speaker 4: I made a film called the United States A Tents

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Speaker 4: going back years ago, and it was on Amazon Prime

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Speaker 2: So I understand who's in the streets.

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Speaker 4: And there is this misconception that it's all alcoholics and

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Speaker 4: crack users. No, what happens is they become crack users

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Speaker 4: and alcoholics because they go down that slide.

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Speaker 2: And what happens is there, you know, it's episodic.

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Speaker 4: Something happens, somebody gets sick, something else in their life happens,

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Speaker 2: So when I see my country.

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Speaker 4: Ailing the way it is, my feeling is just like

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Speaker 4: when you get on a plane, Denesh, what happens the

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Speaker 4: air masks come down, You put it on your face first,

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Speaker 4: even if it's your kid. Right, So what happens now

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Speaker 4: we're sitting here worrying everything about anti Israel, pro Israel,

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Speaker 4: anti this, anti that?

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Speaker 2: What about just being pro America?

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Speaker 4: And when everybody's on the path to the American dream,

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Speaker 4: we could reach our hands out around the world and

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Speaker 4: help everybody that we possibly can. Now, in terms of Israel,

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Speaker 4: I'm always gonna look at Israel a little bit differently

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Speaker 4: than I do Quitar, let's say, because Israel in the

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Speaker 4: nine to eleven. I know what things are like when

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Speaker 4: is basically sleeping with one eye open twenty four seven

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Speaker 4: three sixty five. They're circled by around people who want

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Speaker 4: to take them out. Their doctrine is to take them out.

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Speaker 4: Some of these countries totally bs, like oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: we don't have a problem with Israel.

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Speaker 2: No, that's Takia. And then the other ones just don't hold.

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Speaker 4: It back, like Iran, we want you dead. So my

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Speaker 4: All the other ones are mostly bad actors.

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Speaker 2: Want Israel gone.

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Speaker 4: I feel for Israel, but I'm not gonna put Israel's

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Speaker 4: interest in front of my own.

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Speaker 2: That's it. It doesn't mean I have to be pro

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Speaker 2: or anti anybody.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, Tucker and all these other people

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Speaker 4: you are anti or pro Israel. And I can't believe it.

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Speaker 4: On my Facebook page, how many people are commenting. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if I say something like why is Tucker Calson and Katar?

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Speaker 2: You know what I get back? You got to get

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Speaker 2: it backed ten times what I do?

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Speaker 4: Oh, what did you do with the seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: that the Israeli's page you're with?

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Speaker 2: What are you really kidding me.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to pay me money to tell the truth, pal,

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're up against.

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Speaker 2: And I blame people like Tucker Colson for doing.

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Speaker 1: This fascinating stuff. Guys. I've been talking to Dennis Michael Lynch,

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Speaker 1: michael Lynch dot com. Dennis, we hadn't planned to go

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Speaker 1: down the Tucker route, but you took us there. I

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Speaker 1: didn't plan to blame the Emir of Qatar, but you

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Speaker 1: got me there. And thanks very much for joining.

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Speaker 2: Me, Denish. I hope to have you on my podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm beginning today a new chapter in life after death.

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Speaker 1: The evidence this is a chapter that covers the brain,

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Speaker 1: immortality of the soul, because no conception of life after

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Speaker 1: Now this brings us to the key question of how

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Speaker 1: do you account for the soul within the framework of

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Speaker 1: reductive materialism. Reductive materialism is simply the idea that we

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Speaker 1: and neurons and cells, and that's kind of all there is.

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Speaker 1: Now we're dealing here with a formidable ideology, reductive materialism,

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Speaker 1: that is also embraced by a lot of scientists, and

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Speaker 1: easy to study a neuron. Well, not easy, but you

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Speaker 1: can do it. You can study an arm or a leg.

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Speaker 1: But there are other things about human beings that are

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Speaker 1: very difficult to study. Let's take something as simple as pain.

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Speaker 1: How does a neuroscientist or a surgeon study pain. They

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Speaker 1: either in pain or I'm not in pain, you tell

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Speaker 1: me which one it is, they can't. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: They don't know. So we have this immaterial part of

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Speaker 1: another way to put it. As human beings, we have

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Speaker 1: what is outer experience. Well, our outer experience includes things

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Speaker 1: say that there was a robot monitoring you or me,

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Speaker 1: they would be able to monitor outer experience. Well, Danesh

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Speaker 1: called dualism. Dualism referring to the number two. There are

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Speaker 1: two kinds of substances, the material and the immaterial. And

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Speaker 1: the great champion of dualism was the philosopher Many Descartes.

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Speaker 1: And Descartes dualism the idea that we are, on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, bodies but also minds. This is something that

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Speaker 1: also conforms to common sense. I think people in the

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Speaker 1: world from the beginning of time have generally believed that

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Speaker 1: we have physical dimensions to ourselves, and then we also

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Speaker 1: have a non physical or immaterial dimension. I think people

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Speaker 1: have believed something like this long before Dascartes, and as

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Speaker 1: I say, all over the world people who have no

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Speaker 1: familiarity with Daycartes at all. So this, this is where

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Speaker 1: the idea of dualism gets its kind of common sensical plausibility.

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Speaker 1: But dualism in this way has a problem, a difficult

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Speaker 1: problem to solve, and at least a problem that is

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Speaker 1: especially vivid when you think of it in terms of

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Speaker 1: what science is and what science does. And here's the problem,

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Speaker 1: very simply, how does a mind act upon a body,

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Speaker 1: or to put it somewhere differently, how does an immaterial

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Speaker 1: thing act upon a material thing we know it does?

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Speaker 1: I can, for example, my will is immaterial, my mind

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Speaker 1: is immaterial. But I say I'm going to go get

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Speaker 1: an ice cream and then I go do it. So

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Speaker 1: clearly my mind is acting on my body. But how

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Speaker 1: and what I mean by how is this? In the

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Speaker 1: physical world, objects can only be moved by other objects.

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Speaker 1: Mind cannot move matter. Here's the experiment. I'm standing next

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Speaker 1: to let's just say, a billiard table, and there are

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Speaker 1: going to use my mind and my will to move

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Speaker 1: a ball. Can I do it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. It doesn't matter if I go, you know, ball,

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Speaker 1: Come on, you can do it. Let's move, let's move,

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Speaker 1: let's go. The ball is going to just sit there.

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Speaker 1: The only way to move that ball is to hit

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Speaker 1: it with a stick or with another ball. So, in

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Speaker 1: the world of science, physical objects are required to move

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Speaker 1: other physical objects. And yet we know from our own

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Speaker 1: life that minds in fact can direct bodies. I can say,

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Speaker 1: for example, right now, I can say I want to

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Speaker 1: lift up my arm and scratch my head, and for

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Speaker 1: me thinking about it can then cause me to do it.

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Speaker 1: I make up my mind and then I act. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of scientists, because they can't explain how a

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Speaker 1: mind can act upon a body, I've sort of given

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Speaker 1: up on the idea of dualism altogether. And what they

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Speaker 1: say is, we don't have a mind at least, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a mind separate from the body. All we

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Speaker 1: are is bodies. That's who we are, and our mind

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Speaker 1: is some sort of a epi phenomenon is a kind

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Speaker 1: of commonly used expression, well, not commonly used by Tom

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Speaker 1: Dick and Harry on the Street, but commonly used to

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Speaker 1: try to explain how a body or how a brain,

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Speaker 1: how neurons generate thoughts, and the answer of thoughts are

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Speaker 1: kind of this epi phenomenon. They kind of spring out

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Speaker 1: of this physical object, and they are actually part of

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Speaker 1: the object itself. They cannot be identified separate from the

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Speaker 1: oject object. They're kind of the attribute or quality of

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Speaker 1: the object. Now, this materialism poses a real problem for

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Speaker 1: life after death, because if all we are is physical

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Speaker 1: bodies or physical objects, there's no question that those objects

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Speaker 1: break down, they disintegrate, they get ultimately cremated or put

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Speaker 1: into the ground where they dust. Thou art, and dust

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Speaker 1: to dust, thou shall return. And so where's the question

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Speaker 1: of life after death? And that's all we are? What

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Speaker 1: is there to live on? From the materialist point of view,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing left to continue on. Everything has been,

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Speaker 1: you can say, brought to a close. Now the question

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Speaker 1: of whether or not minds can be reduced to bodies,

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Speaker 1: or to put it differently, minds can be reduced to brains.

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Speaker 1: This is the question I want to kind of zoom

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Speaker 1: in on, and I want to expose a fallacy that

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Speaker 1: is very common really in the field of neuroscience. It

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Speaker 1: is the fallacy of thinking that because two things are

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Speaker 1: regularly correlated, therefore they are the same thing. In other words,

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Speaker 1: it is the fallacy of thinking that because two things

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Speaker 1: go together, the one is the same as the other.

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Speaker 1: And I want to show why that is clearly not

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Speaker 1: the case. So when I pick this up tomorrow, we're

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Speaker 1: going to focus on minds and brains. We're going to

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Speaker 1: focus on things like MRIs and PET scans, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to examine whether it is the case that because

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Speaker 1: every time your mind is working you can see something

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Speaker 1: happening in your brain, there are particular areas of your mind.

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Speaker 1: For example, let's say, certain feelings or thoughts or emotions

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Speaker 1: or cognitive reasoning that correlate with the physical substrate, with

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Speaker 1: the physical underlying physical substance of the brain. I obviously

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Speaker 1: agree that there is this correlation. I also agree that

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Speaker 1: when you are having certain types let's just say, using language,

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Speaker 1: we can identify the language part of the brain. But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that language is the same thing as

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Speaker 1: the operation of those neurons. That's the question we're going

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Speaker 1: to zoom into next time.

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