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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to the show today. I have a

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Speaker 1: special guest, Aaron Edwards. He's been on the show a

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Speaker 1: couple times before, and we're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: your favorite subject, pride.

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Speaker 3: Month.

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Speaker 1: He wrote an article that is fascinating on his substack.

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Speaker 1: It's called why Pride is the marketized version of Christian morality. Now,

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Speaker 1: before get into this episode, I just want to make

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Speaker 1: this so clear that I have nothing but love for

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Speaker 1: people who are in that world. There but for the

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Speaker 1: grace of God go I. God plucked me out of

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Speaker 1: that world and save me. So I have nothing but love.

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Speaker 1: We're talking today about the whole ideology surrounding it, so

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Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: please welcome Aaron Edwards. But first award from our sponsor,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Edwards, thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: As always, you're a great guest. I love having you.

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Speaker 4: On, I love being I love being in Sally, California back.

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Speaker 4: It's really nice, even though I never get to really

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Speaker 4: be there, you know, in person, Like I like to

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Speaker 4: see the sunshine from behind you in that window.

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Speaker 1: I know, save the the the politics of California. It's

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Speaker 1: it's quite when you live here for a while or

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Speaker 1: even for a day. It's kind of hard to understand

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Speaker 1: why people live anywhere else. It really is, because it's

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Speaker 1: like right now, it's like seventy two degrees outside and

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Speaker 1: sunny and gorgeous, and there's like mountains and what.

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Speaker 4: You need to do that you go to the translation

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Speaker 4: for me there, like we just thinking Celsius, We're like

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Speaker 4: seventy two degrees or what even is that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know what the translation is. It's

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Speaker 1: it's like a person noting it's like perfect, perfect weather.

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Speaker 4: Perfect Okay.

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Speaker 1: But okay, So it's your favorite time of the year,

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Speaker 1: Pride month. So we are going to talk about your

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Speaker 1: article and your sub stack called why Pride is the

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Speaker 1: marketized subversion of Christian morality? And you talk about the

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Speaker 1: fruit of pride, and first of all, why did you

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Speaker 1: why did you write this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been writing progressively, not in the way

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Speaker 4: that liberal might be excited about. I've been writing progressively

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Speaker 4: more about Pride against Pride, and I think it's something

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Speaker 4: that partly because I think I might have set maybe

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Speaker 4: I said this one of my previous discussions with you,

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Speaker 4: but I think that there's this whole thing about the

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Speaker 4: westpro Baptist Louis Thirou documentary, which I think has this

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Speaker 4: kind of weird psycho stranglehold on evangelicals, in particular because

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Speaker 4: when Louis throu was interviewing them and they were like

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Speaker 4: the God hates fags, et cetera. People most people were like,

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Speaker 4: oh my goodness. The wins and brigade of evangelicalism was

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Speaker 4: just kind of like, we want to do anything, but

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Speaker 4: look like those guys, So like, what did they do? Okay,

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Speaker 4: they go to Pride. They're really abrasive, They're not particularly pleasant.

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Speaker 4: I think they were a little bit cultish anyway. I

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Speaker 4: don't even know if they were entirely Orthodox, but they

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Speaker 4: are like shared some conservative values and they were on

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Speaker 4: the front in opposing Pride. Sole we must never do that, then,

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Speaker 4: I guess we must do the opposite and run in

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Speaker 4: the other direction. And I think that's been like an

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Speaker 4: unbelievable win for the enemy in the last twenty odd years.

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Speaker 4: And it's as we've all been in retreat, Pride's like grown,

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Speaker 4: keeps growing and taking more ground every year. That was

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Speaker 4: a especially kind of peak moment around the twenty early

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Speaker 4: But I think that people have started to realize that

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Speaker 4: and think we need to push against it. And I

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Speaker 4: quite dangerous territory for an evangelical to do that, to say,

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Speaker 4: you know, we need to oppose pride. Why do to

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Speaker 4: repose pride? It's I think it's not coming at you. You know,

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Speaker 4: you don't need to worry about It's just a social

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Speaker 4: much oppression these guys have been through, So don't just

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Speaker 4: let them have their moments only for a month. Et cetera.

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Speaker 4: And I just realized, no, actually, there's something more insidious

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Speaker 4: like who's going to Who's going to? So that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying the church needs to to step

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Speaker 1: up and challenge it. And so you in this piece,

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Speaker 1: you you go through the public statements that uh that

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Speaker 1: London Pride promotes on their website, and so what I

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Speaker 1: want to do and you go and you you quote

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Speaker 1: the statement and then you give commentary about the statement.

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Speaker 1: So what I'd like to do is quote each statement

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Speaker 1: from the London Pride manifesto basically and then have you

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Speaker 1: talk about what what you talk about in the article,

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Speaker 1: which is brilliant.

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Speaker 3: So the first quote is.

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Speaker 1: celebrations that define our lgbt Q plus community.

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Speaker 4: M yeah, so that one. Yes. So I find it

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Speaker 4: just interesting that when even just the manner of their

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Speaker 4: It's actually quite a conservative sounding thing to say, like

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Speaker 4: June is the time to honor both the struggles and celebration.

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Speaker 4: It's the kind of thing that you say when you

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Speaker 4: hear you're proud of your heritage, you want people to

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Speaker 4: remember some historic, historic feast day or something, and it

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Speaker 4: has a religious kind of tone to it. So I

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Speaker 4: think when I hear that, I was reflecting on the

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Speaker 4: fact that it was like, this is kind of what

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Speaker 4: we did. This is what Christianity did when we took

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Speaker 4: over pagan festivals. We sort of sacrilezed them, or we

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Speaker 4: we do them for the purposes of the truth, for

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Speaker 4: the purpose of bridge building and showing Christ's dominion. So

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Speaker 4: I think it's just this perverse undoing of that, and

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Speaker 4: that's kind of what I keep, you know, reflecting around

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Speaker 4: the last few years, especially how the way in which

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Speaker 4: Pride is doing that. It's literally revert Christian norms, reversing

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Speaker 4: Christian holiness in so many ways, and in a way

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Speaker 4: that's quite different to just the standard sense of yeah,

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Speaker 4: is different. It's like a deliberate undermining of the kind

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Speaker 4: of way that we approach feast days in our society,

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Speaker 4: you know, per se and the scene is with that

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Speaker 4: particular religious vehelmence. And I think I use the example

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Speaker 4: and it got like two million views at the time

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Speaker 4: of the kind of rainbow the logos and the rainbow

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Speaker 4: logos on one side of like IBM and Apple when

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Speaker 4: they did their like Pride month thing, and then this

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Speaker 4: was last year twenty twenty four. Now in twenty twenty five, Look,

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Speaker 4: you've gone back to your standard logo. What's that about? Guys?

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Speaker 4: We see you, we're judging you, we want to bring

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Speaker 4: you into public shame. It's almost a kind of Spanish inquisition,

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Speaker 4: but with Pride kind of running the show, like they

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Speaker 4: just literally take over the world, it would seem for

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Speaker 4: that month, or they want to, and they when they

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Speaker 4: when it starts to weigh and they just can't even

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Speaker 4: you know, they can't take it. They need to kind

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Speaker 4: of try to claw back that power. So it just

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Speaker 4: becomes this very powerfully politicized and religious way of observing time,

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Speaker 4: which I think again is a Christian verity really to

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Speaker 4: kind of mark the calendar with the particularities of our

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Speaker 4: faith as taking dominion in the world.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this short break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you say that Pride Month comes but once a year,

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Speaker 1: but in another sense, it is always with us.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean by that, Yeah, because it's not

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Speaker 4: like the rest of the year. You know, LGBTs are

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Speaker 4: not like they'rehidden in their closets and they're in their

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Speaker 4: catacombs and then they have to come out once a year, like, oh, look,

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Speaker 4: the gay people are bad. Look at this. They look

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Speaker 4: at all the color. It was dark and gray and

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Speaker 4: heteronormative for eleven months and now there's like beautiful color. No,

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Speaker 4: they're there all the time. And if you say anything

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Speaker 4: about against LGBT, or if you speak too strongly on

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Speaker 4: this issue, even in Christian context that might claim to

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Speaker 4: be convative, you'll still get castigated. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 4: time of view it is. The virus is still there

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Speaker 4: affecting everyone's minds and their hearts, so that they end up,

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Speaker 4: you know, not being able to speak the truth, even

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Speaker 4: will now be seen as you know, you're a terrible bigot,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. The various of name calling we've been called,

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Speaker 4: We've been have phown at us for so long on

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Speaker 4: kind of come upon us. This is this is the baseline. Now,

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Speaker 4: this is how you're supposed to think, and you're not

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Speaker 4: allowed to question it. And that's there's just different gradients

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Speaker 4: of that. There'll be some listening to us to go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: of course we don't. We're not Propride, like why would

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Speaker 4: we be like, But you might be pro some other

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Speaker 4: variant which really is on the same trajectory to or

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Speaker 4: you know that you don't want to seem judgmental or parasaic.

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Speaker 4: And that's the worst thing in then in your kind

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Speaker 1: And then and by the way, you lost your job

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Speaker 1: because of a tweet.

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Speaker 3: I reread that tweet.

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Speaker 1: And it seems so innocent, Like can.

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Speaker 3: You read the tweet that did you say that your job?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. I said, homosexuality is invading the church.

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Speaker 4: Evangelicals no longer see the severity of this because they're

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Speaker 4: busy apologizing for their apparently barbaric homophobia, whether or not

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Speaker 4: it's true. This is a gospel issue, by the way,

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Speaker 4: because if sin is no longer sin, we no longer

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Speaker 4: need a savior. It was basically a tweet against evangelical

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Speaker 4: cowardice really on that issue, but it got interpreted as

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Speaker 4: this wild, raging, aggressive wester Baptist thing, and I got

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Speaker 4: aspired within a couple of weeks of a job that

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Speaker 4: was in seven years.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention that the job that you're in was

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Speaker 1: that you were teaching at a Christian college, right.

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Speaker 4: In Evangelical Bible college college.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those people should.

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Speaker 1: So those people at that college, whatever college it is,

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Speaker 1: should be ashamed of themselves ashamed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's it's it's absolutely terrible. Yeah. So we do

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Speaker 4: have an ongoing tribunal which has been going on for

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Speaker 4: it's a long running thing, saga. And in the meantime,

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Speaker 4: I can't get another academic job because I think if

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Speaker 1: They don't speak to me anymore. I mean I don't really.

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Speaker 3: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's I I'm barely in contact with them, with some

433
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Speaker 1: of them, some of them have completely cut me off,

434
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Speaker 1: especially when my book, my first book came out in

435
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's when that was the red line in

436
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Speaker 1: the sand for them.

437
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

438
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Speaker 1: But they, yeah, they they just think I'm completely bonkers

439
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: and crazy.

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Speaker 3: But what I don't care. I mean, I what do

441
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Speaker 3: I care?

442
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Speaker 1: I have eternal life, like I have a relationship with

443
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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, they could go to their pride of it.

445
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Speaker 3: By the way. I mean, I I was.

446
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Speaker 1: Never one of the gay like the gay ghetto guy guys.

447
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Speaker 1: The gay there's a certain kind, there's a there's several

448
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: kinds of gays like. But I was never part of

449
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Speaker 1: that gay ghetto kind of like West Hollywood, because back

450
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, West Hollywood was like it was all

451
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Speaker 1: it was pretty much all gay. Now it's not because

452
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: of the expense of the prices have gone sky high,

453
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Speaker 1: so it's like it's all like liberal white women and

454
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Speaker 1: families and stuff. But but I was never part of

455
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Speaker 1: that whole kind of gay ghetto situation. And Pride, Pride

456
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Speaker 1: Months or Pride Day. I you know, once in a

457
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Speaker 1: while I would go to La Pride or New or Pride.

458
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Speaker 1: I mean I went to a couple but I always

459
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Speaker 1: felt out of place there. I felt like it was

460
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Speaker 1: really raunchy and gross, and I just felt it was tacky.

461
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: I thought it was really tacky and an absurd.

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Speaker 1: And and so anyway, I never really was I was

463
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Speaker 1: never really into pride, and now I'm definitely not into Pride.

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Speaker 1: So so you so the next quote from the website,

465
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Speaker 1: the Pride website in London was quote, but Pride is

466
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Speaker 1: about joy the unbridled happiness of living authentically Russ the

467
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Speaker 1: power of love and all its forms, and the beauty,

468
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Speaker 1: the beautiful diversity that makes our community so vibrant.

469
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Speaker 4: Isn't it so vibrant? I mean, it's so funny. What

470
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Speaker 4: you're just saying is exactly showing the opposite of what

471
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Speaker 4: this you experience would be, even from your friends and

472
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Speaker 4: and those who would sort of shun you from the

473
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Speaker 4: religious community because you've left their kind of weird cult

474
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Speaker 4: religion and you actually have freedom, You actually have authenticity

475
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Speaker 4: and genuine vibrancy. And I think that's the This is

476
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: the thing with ideologies, that they're fake. They have to

477
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: keep telling you how great, how great everything is, because

478
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Speaker 4: that's like what it was like under communism. You know,

479
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Speaker 4: that's like everything's amazing, isn't it. Isn't it amazing? Like

480
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: is it so cool that, like, you know, we get

481
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Speaker 4: to be in the Soviet Union? Is that amazing? Guys

482
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Speaker 4: who are going to carry on repeating that over and over? Yeah? Absolutely,

483
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Speaker 4: And we're going to inform on those who don't say

484
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Speaker 4: how amazing it is all the time. I don't know

485
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Speaker 4: if you've seen the film The Death of Stalin it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's a good us UK collaboration. I totally. I mean,

487
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Speaker 4: let me say, should I be recommending this? Is it?

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Speaker 4: It's probably not entirely. Yeah, there's some there's some salty language,

489
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Speaker 4: et cetera. But as a black comedy, it's like, it's

490
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Speaker 4: very good and it's it's kind of a highlighting the

491
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Speaker 4: ludicrousness of people who are the last days of Stalin basically,

492
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Speaker 4: and the fear that people had over speaking against anything

493
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Speaker 4: about the regime and the contradictions that it led to

494
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Speaker 4: in how many people thought. So it's like a comedy there,

495
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Speaker 4: it's quite it's black comedy. It's quite serious themes in

496
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Speaker 4: it as well, but it is quite well done in

497
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Speaker 4: how they bring that out anyway. So yeah, it's so

498
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Speaker 4: that there is a kind of that kind of Stalinist

499
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Speaker 4: desire to propagandize you into saying this is a great

500
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Speaker 4: unbridled happiness, living authentically love, the power of love in

501
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: all its forms, the beautiful diversity, it's so vibrant, and

502
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: it actually, of course it isn't. It isn't diverse at all.

503
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Speaker 4: You have to all agree on exactly the same thing.

504
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Speaker 4: You have to be monochromatic, forget the rainbow. You have

505
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Speaker 4: to have one color. The color is pride. And that's

506
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Speaker 4: what you are going to believe. And you're going to

507
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Speaker 4: say it's great, and it's it's unbridled and it's happy.

508
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Speaker 4: It isn't like, it isn't actually about true joy. It

509
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Speaker 4: isn't lasting joy, the kind that talk about.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I'm sure you remember when Ellen Page

511
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Speaker 1: transitioned to Elliott Page. She tweeted, you know, a photograph

512
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Speaker 1: of herself as a boy a man, and I mean

513
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Speaker 1: every Hillary Clinton was praising her for being praising him

514
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Speaker 1: or her I don't know who, remember, but praising him

515
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Speaker 1: for praising her for being her authentic self. And I tweeted,

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Speaker 1: I tweeted, you know, like, why isn't Hillary Clinton praising

517
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Speaker 1: me for being my actual authentic self being in relation

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Speaker 1: to the king of the universe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's inauthentic. Authenticity is agreeing with us.

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Speaker 4: You don't beck it. I mean, come on, you've got

521
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: to agree with the Pride Brigade, otherwise you're not authentic.

522
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Speaker 4: They have a they have a kind of mafia like

523
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Speaker 4: monopoly on authenticity, don't you realize, So you're not allowed

524
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Speaker 4: to disagree. You don't get to be when you leave.

525
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Speaker 4: You are to leave is to become an authentic So

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Speaker 4: they are they just decided kind of colonize that term

527
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Speaker 4: again with all the other stuff and and of course

528
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Speaker 4: with love itself. But that's the the ludicrous thing. Like

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Speaker 4: I think they talk about the power of love, but

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Speaker 4: I think it's actually the whole point of it. The

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Speaker 4: whole thing about pride is a rebellion against the biblical

532
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Speaker 4: concept of love. God is love. So if you reject

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Speaker 4: God and you reject his morality and his standards, his law,

534
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Speaker 4: his wisdom, you're you're you're kind of rejecting love. God

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Speaker 4: is love. You don't get to say I'm rejecting God,

536
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Speaker 4: who is love, and I get to say that love

537
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Speaker 4: is love, and I'm talking about the tremendous power of love.

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Speaker 4: It isn't about love. It may be a counterfeit and

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Speaker 4: it may be the feeling of it, but it isn't

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Speaker 4: actually the true thing in and of itself. If God

541
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Speaker 4: indeed has defined love in and through himself, and so

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of the problem. But we just

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Speaker 4: that no one seems to see that this is well.

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Speaker 4: I guess within the LGBT community. They don't seem to

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Speaker 4: get to see that. They're so confident that they have

546
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Speaker 4: the monopoli and love and that we're the hateful, horrible, judgmental, mean,

547
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Speaker 4: envious people whatever, because we don't have the great freedom

548
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Speaker 4: of expression. And I think it's so obvious that it's

549
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Speaker 4: a mirage. It's the sort of sense of we have

550
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Speaker 4: to keep telling ourselves that and keep reminding ourselves of it,

551
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Speaker 4: that we are free and authentic, and we have to

552
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Speaker 4: kind of be pretty hateful towards those who aren't for us.

553
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Speaker 4: And I think that that's where the proof comes. When

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Speaker 4: people really oppose pride, they get genuinely like attacked by

555
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Speaker 4: people within that community all the time. And so I

556
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Speaker 4: think if it's love, it would not really be bothered

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Speaker 4: about whether you were being attacked in that way. You'd

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Speaker 4: sort of just be like, Okay, you think differently, and

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Speaker 4: I'll tolerate you, et cetera. That's clearly not really true.

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Speaker 4: When people really mean to oppose pride, the love goes

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Speaker 4: out the window very very quickly, as we know very

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Speaker 4: well well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as Paul says, in first Corinthians are one Corinthians,

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Speaker 1: as you would say he says love.

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Speaker 3: He defines what love is.

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Speaker 1: Love does not rejoice it wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's it's an impossibility for that

568
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Speaker 1: kind of love to be actual true love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and in an objective way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So the next the next quote is, uh, it's about

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Speaker 1: dancing in the streets, embracing who we are and creating spaces.

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Speaker 1: If we need to get rid of the word spaces

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Speaker 1: from our lexicon immediately. It's about dancing in the streets,

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Speaker 1: embracing who we are and creating spaces where everyone can

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Speaker 1: shine except.

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Speaker 4: Us us bestely don't get to shine. Okay, the x

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Speaker 4: cays do not get to shine. Get a in a

579
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Speaker 4: in a cupboard somewhere and hidden away, because they're like,

580
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Speaker 4: you know, you're you're not allowed to flourish because if

581
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Speaker 4: you then look like you're joyful or happy or freed,

582
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Speaker 4: and that kind of like undus the propaganda which says, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you kind of have to have pride in order to

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Speaker 4: have this again. It's like it's like a kind of

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Speaker 4: key to salvation. It's a key to joy and happiness.

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Speaker 4: But I was reflecting on you know, you think of

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Speaker 4: the dancing in the streets. It's so innocent sounding, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Then you think of that, you remember the famous video

589
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Speaker 4: that everyone's seen as the man disgustingly like gyrating before children. Think,

590
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: think he turns up every year. He'll probably turn up

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Speaker 4: this one as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think there's like thousands of men who

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, but I think there's this particularly like

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Speaker 4: ininicious one that I linked to it in my articles,

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Speaker 4: So viewers who want to go and watch this whole

597
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: thing find the hyperlink. But it's just like insane, like

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Speaker 4: so this isn't really about making everyone shine. It's like,

599
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Speaker 4: and I said, it's about making darkness shine as though

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Speaker 4: it was light. That's like, that's again the whole lie

601
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: of pride. It's trying to elevate sin itself. Is trying

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Speaker 4: to un kind of subterfuge of we're just expressing ourselves.

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Speaker 4: We've been martyrs, we've been in the underground at tocoombs

604
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Speaker 4: so long. We're now we're free to express ourselves after

605
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: all this horrible persecution we've had for millennia. But actually no,

606
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Speaker 4: it's it's you're trying to bring the darkness out into

607
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Speaker 4: the light and make it seem like the darkness how

608
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Speaker 4: it gets to sort of rule over the light, and

609
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't. He doesn't get to do that. You know,

610
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: the light shines and the darkness, and the darkness has

611
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: not overcome it, says John one. And that's so vital

612
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: to to remember that we we we need to but

613
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Speaker 4: when we do that, we're actually speaking about even back

614
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Speaker 4: to creation. So when John is speaking about the Christ

615
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Speaker 4: come into the world, the glory of the Gospel coming in,

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Speaker 4: and then the incarnate Son of God, there's a sense

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Speaker 4: of course in which he's echoing Genesis one and say

618
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Speaker 4: in God creating the world through his word, because Jesus,

619
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Speaker 4: Jesus was the Word and the word becomes flesh, and

620
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Speaker 4: he's kind of in the same sense the light. God

621
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Speaker 4: creates the world through his word, and the first thing

622
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Speaker 4: he does is let there be light. So light comes

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Speaker 4: into being, It penetrates through darkness, and it's in all

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Speaker 4: of that whole you know sequence in Genesis you see

625
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: God separating and making divisions, you see him making borders,

626
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Speaker 4: you see him making distinction. So actually, yeah, things can

627
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Speaker 4: be There is actual diversity in the Kingdom's ordered through

628
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: God's God's glory in his wisdom. It's not ordered by

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Speaker 4: our own desire to throw all that away, run away

630
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Speaker 4: from God and then to try to claim some of

631
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Speaker 4: those things that we liked about about creation and about

632
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Speaker 4: the goodness of how He's made things. But this is ultimately, Look,

633
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Speaker 4: if God's created separation of night and day light and darkens,

634
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: you don't get to cross those boundaries. Similarly with male

635
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: and female, it's all in the same sequence that he's

636
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Speaker 4: creating the sky and the earth, and you know, and

637
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: the cull and the stars and the moon, et cetera.

638
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: So there's these these differences are genuinely there in the

639
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: way that God constructs the world, but he does it

640
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 4: in an order in the hierarchy that he is in

641
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Speaker 4: charge of. And of course he is loving in the

642
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Speaker 4: way that he does that as well. But it doesn't

643
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Speaker 4: mean he just lets us do whatever we want. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's again the greatest problem. That we want

645
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Speaker 4: to dance in the streets, embrace who we are in

646
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Speaker 4: our sin, doing whatever we want, saying everyone can shine

647
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: and you can't. It just ultimately, as you say, it

648
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Speaker 4: ultimately means that the people who are actually holding the

649
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 4: light don't get to shine the light. The light doesn't

650
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: get to shine, but the darkness gets to shine. And

651
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Speaker 4: you're like, it doesn't seem the most ideal way of

652
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Speaker 4: setting up an idea to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I've talked about this many

654
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Speaker 1: times before, but but people, I mean, this kind of

655
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Speaker 1: shine idea just glosses over how the fact of how dark,

656
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Speaker 1: especially gay men in that world, how dark that world is. Yeah,

657
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Speaker 1: I mean even at the Pride events, there's I mean,

658
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Speaker 1: I can't Back in the day, there was people countless

659
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: people would just hook up with random strangers after during

660
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Speaker 1: those Pride events, like just random sex encounters with like

661
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Speaker 1: random people. And no, I mean, and I'm sure it

662
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Speaker 1: still goes on now, and so people don't. People don't

663
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Speaker 1: want to think about the reality of that dark world

664
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Speaker 1: and how how dark and wicked it is. And then

665
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: you say, then the next quote is quote the journey

666
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Speaker 1: towards equality continues, and every step forward is built on

667
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: both resilience through hardship and the infectious joy of being

668
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Speaker 1: true to ourselves. Today we transform struggle into strength and

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Speaker 1: celebration into change.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's again, you just you just see

671
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: this sense of the delusion, don't you so? Like Again,

672
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Speaker 4: what I was focusing on with that quote was being

673
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: I feel okay to keep reminding the viewers, you know,

674
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Speaker 4: I didn't this. This is blund and pride, not me

675
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: saying these but it's there's another great quote from an

676
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Speaker 4: article and where you're talking about the journey towards equality continues.

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00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: This is.

678
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Speaker 4: But it's true what I say, But it's being true

679
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: to ourselves quite a regard for truth and not delusion.

680
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: And again so it's again this constant, like ludicrous, open

681
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 4: and brazen contradiction of the truth all the time, constantly

682
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: lying to people that the journey towards equality that they

683
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 4: talk about in Pride is a complete ruse. It promises

684
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 4: the utopia that everybody can be happy in tolerance, as

685
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: peop would have been discussing, like they're trying to do

686
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: that without actually facing up to what is true in

687
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 4: the sense of their sin. They need to repent of

688
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: their sin, and they don't want to do that. So

689
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: to be true to yourself, to be your authentic self,

690
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: would be to be your authentic self before God. And

691
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: to say, what does it mean to be authentic before God?

692
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: Is even to be open and honest and truthful. It

693
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: means to come to God like the publican does, not

694
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: the Pharisee to come and say, you know, have mercy

695
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: on me, God, I am a sinner, rather than I

696
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: thank God that I'm not like one of those sinners,

697
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: one of those inauthentic people. So I think there's this

698
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Speaker 4: total reversal where I think pride becomes the Pharisee in

699
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 4: a way, saying we didn't need We're righteous on our own.

700
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: We've received joy and freedom and equality and everything, all

701
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Speaker 4: without the need to repent, without the need to kind of,

702
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: you know, come to God and to sort of come

703
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: before and receive His forgiveness. So they're blocking themselves off

704
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Speaker 4: and receiving the gospel. That's partly why I highlighted in

705
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Speaker 4: my tweet that got me fired, the sense of this

706
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: is a gospel issue because you can't, you know, edit

707
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: sinned to say, no, Jesus didn't need to die for

708
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: all of the sins, just the ones that I don't like,

709
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: but the ones he doesn't like, Well, we can negotiate

710
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: about that two thousand years later and just decide that

711
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: that isn't sin anymore. And then you don't need a savior,

712
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: then you can say to God, actually, didn't you don't

713
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: You didn't need to bother dying on the cross for

714
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: all of those sins, and therefore you're just cutting off

715
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: the power of the love of God. Ironically, again, despite

716
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: talking about love so kind of prodigiously, there's no real

717
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: sense of what love is and being able to receive

718
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: God's love, which is especially powerful because of God's judgment.

719
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: God's judgment is so vital to understand to get a

720
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Speaker 4: truth g asked of God's love. If you don't understand

721
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: that God could have killed you and has killed many

722
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Speaker 4: people for their sin, including destroying entire cities for certain sins,

723
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Speaker 4: and you won't really understand, or it's harder to understand

724
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: the greatness of his love in dying for you for

725
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: the very sinners that he would actually give the death

726
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Speaker 4: penalty to. And so I think I've focused at the

727
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Speaker 4: article on the bizarre contrast, because in that quote, they

728
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: are talking, aren't they about the celebration, And we've had

729
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: the dancing in the streets, we've had the unbridaled joy,

730
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: and then now this sort of celebration into change revolution

731
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 4: to change all of us horrible, evil people who don't

732
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Speaker 4: agree with pride. And I think there's a contrast here

733
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Speaker 4: with a celebration I was picking up on, which is

734
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: with the prodigal sun itself, of course, so that there's

735
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: a great celebration and a feast at the end of

736
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: that power. But it happens when the son has realized

737
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 4: that when he left his father, when he repudiated God

738
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: as it were, he found himself eating with the pigs

739
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: and and was like, what have I done? This is insane,

740
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: Like he's like he's like he's that pride and realizing actually,

741
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this is this is like

742
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: completely debasing, and I need to go back and I

743
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: need to repent. And when he does that, the father

744
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: comes and embraces him because runs out to meet him

745
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: and then gives him the ring on his finger, kills

746
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: the fashioned calf, and it's a glorious celebration after the

747
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 4: sort of the older brother out And so I think

748
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: that's that's true celebration that you get in the Gospel,

749
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: rather than the fake celebration the pride wants to wants

750
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 4: to get what's to take and steal really without really

751
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: having a true warrant for it, and.

752
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Speaker 3: I like what you say.

753
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Speaker 1: You say the journey towards equality has no destination because

754
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: it is animated by the worship of self. It is

755
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: rooted in weaponized discontent which can never be satiated because

756
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: it is in perpetual rebellion against God.

757
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, And again it's just like I

758
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 4: was saying earlier, the whole notion of it. You mentioned

759
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 4: Russeau earlier. We're just so messed up, aren't we, by

760
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: the Enlightenment in general, the French Revolution in particular, and

761
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: then Marxism as a sort of downstream. If there's just

762
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: avalanche of we have to undermine the way God made

763
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: the world. We have to undermine distinctions, and we have

764
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: to caricature any any possibility of seeing how God has

765
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: made order and distinction in the world and make it

766
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: seem like it's the worst imaginable thing. And there are

767
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: bad versions of hierarchy, there are bad versions of distinction

768
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: in order, of course, but to caricature them in order

769
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: to go for this like hyper crazy humanistic equality is

770
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: genuinely evil, and it's made humans just ironically debase themselves

771
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: because they worship themselves as what secular humanism, does there's

772
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 4: no God anymore, or we act like there's no God anymore,

773
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: And then we in the same way that the prodigal

774
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: son acts like his father doesn't matter. He just I'll

775
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: take my inheritance. I'll take what I've been given by Christianity,

776
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: says the secularists, and I'll run off into the hills.

777
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 4: I run off to Babylon, and I want to see

778
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 4: what happens. I feel like I've got my own destiny

779
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: now and I'm not tied to the Father. I think

780
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 4: there's a real analogy there for how secular culture acts

781
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: in sort of cutting itself off from God and human

782
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: autonomy that ultimately you have to worship something, so we

783
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: end up worshiping ourselves, and ironically we also debase ourselves

784
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: through things like elevating homosexuality, elevating abortion, and freedom to

785
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: the extent that freedom means killing in my country, you know,

786
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: three hundred thousand babies a year in yours. I don't

787
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: know how many years, must be millions, And so yeah,

788
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: there's an irony. We're killing more humans as we're supposedly

789
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 4: elevating humans because we've got rid of God's God's word

790
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: from our foundations.

791
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Speaker 1: And you talk about pride as an offense to Christianity. Now,

792
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: this is a very fascinating point because I just read

793
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: a book and I wish I had it in front

794
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: of me, but it's about this very sub part of

795
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: it is about this. But you say that, So, why

796
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: is Christianity versus Islam? Why is Christianity really kind of

797
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: the the monster and according to LGBTQ plus and not Islam.

798
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is suddenly kind of just started

799
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: to occur to me as I've started to think and

800
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: write about pride specifically and to kind of go on

801
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: the offensive against it. Obviously in my country, I don't

802
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't have as many Muslims per capita

803
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: yet you're kind of probably on the way there. But

804
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: we are like inundated with Islam in this country. Political Islam.

805
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: I've written about that on the whole series called Soft

806
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 4: g Had on the Substack as well. It's slowly of

807
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: incrementally kind of coming in at various levels, and we

808
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: do have loads of them. We have places where like

809
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: there's ninety five percent of the children in a school

810
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 4: are Muslim, and it's a very interesting, like cacophony because

811
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: we're obviously extremely liberal here in Britain as well. In

812
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: like it's just it's a terrible cocktail at the moment.

813
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: And the liberals love the Muslims. They they're like they

814
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: were they're so they're like pro Islam, and the Muslims

815
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: are like, you know, they're literally knowing they're using these

816
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: liberal morons who are actually in charge of the country,

817
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: which is terrifying too, like to gain more political power.

818
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: It's so stupid to watch it happen, like you absolute

819
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: fools that you're allowing this to happen. And some of them,

820
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: some of them even come out and say it. Evens

821
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: are like, yeah, of course we vote for the Green

822
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 4: Party or Labor because they are like, you know, giving

823
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: it exactly what it is and they like to say it.

824
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: And then yet then there's always been so important to

825
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: be tolanced British values. It means we must welcome them,

826
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, it's so great, so britishue like really they're

827
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: just setting up like Afghanistan in like whole towns and

828
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: taking them over. But whatever, it's like, it's so it's

829
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: really crazy. So of course Islam is anti LGBT but

830
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: they say they see LGBT the agenda as a kind

831
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: of white Western thing. And what is white Western culture historically?

832
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: What what what is the backdrop of it? Well, it

833
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: would be Christendom, wouldn't It would be Christian morality is

834
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: the bedrock of the peoples of of the Anglo European

835
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: or the so the Anglo American peoples or the let's

836
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: say euro American, you want to say it. The people

837
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: that come that constitute the West have a foundational morality

838
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: of Christianity. And Muslims know that. Muslims know that, who

839
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: are not living in the West, they see Western civilization

840
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: as Christian and even in ways that would even make

841
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: us as Christians. But hang on, it's not quite quite

842
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: like that. I see what you mean, but it isn't

843
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: quite like that. Like, so when I did mission in

844
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: an Islamic country many years ago, they were saying to me, like,

845
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: you Christians don't even believe in like morality, Like you

846
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: call like pornography and women wear like short skirts everywhere

847
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: you Like, that's just crazy. I don't know why your

848
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: God thinks that's okay, Like he doesn't think that's okay. Actually, Like,

849
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: why do you like they've had the concept of everyone

850
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: in Britain the West is Christian and all of the

851
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: immorality they see is Christianity and like that that's how

852
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: like the people I spoke to with thinking, I was like,

853
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: that's crazy, Like it's not how we see it at all.

854
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: But they see that shows how Muslims think in terms

855
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: of that sense of a cultural dominion. Now I think

856
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: Christians should also think like that longer term, but it

857
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: shows that there's a difference in civilization. So they see

858
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 4: the LGBT thing as this emanation of like, look how

859
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: ridiculous the West has become. It doesn't even believe in itself.

860
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: It can't, you know. LGBT is like a civilizational If

861
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: you promote it, you're you're promoting the lack of progeny

862
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 4: for the future obviously. And so I think they see

863
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: that and they're happy for us to sort of shoot

864
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 4: ourselves in the first they' happy for us to abort

865
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: all of our children. You rarely ever see Muslim picketing

866
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: abortion clinics per se, because that what they would say

867
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: is we don't abort our children. It's the Europeans who

868
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: are bought their children and riddance so whereas if they

869
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 4: cared about the morality per se, they would be standing

870
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: with the Catholics and Evangelicals and Orthodox who are generally

871
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 4: involved in those fights for against abortion if they cared

872
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: about public morality. But they only care about their own

873
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: public morality for their own people, and so pride. Ultimately,

874
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: it should be wildly offensive to Muslims, but it's only

875
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 4: offensive to them when it affects their own communities, their subcommunities.

876
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: So if you have a school of ninety five percent

877
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: Muslims children, the parents will pick it if they try

878
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: and foist LGBT stuff on them, and they did. They

879
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: were they won this case against this Birmingham primar headmaster

880
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 4: who was like really pro progressive stuff and he was

881
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 4: putting it into like primary school, kindergarten age I think

882
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: for you guys, and they were like, no, we're not

883
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: having that. The parents just said we're going to pull

884
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 4: all of the children out, percent of the children. We're

885
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 4: actually going to do that, and they did. They all

886
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: rally together as one big unit, and the teacher literally

887
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: had no he couldn't do anything. They couldn't not have

888
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: a school. So he said, okay, I guess we're not

889
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: going to do that.

890
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: Then if only Christians could do this, Yeah, yeah, so

891
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 5: that's the thing that brings the Muslims out to play

892
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: against LGBT when it affects their community, not when it

893
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 5: affects society as a whole, because they're playing a longer

894
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 5: game to win society, and then it won't be quite

895
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 5: so tolerant for the LGBTs in the long run.

896
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't think there's any pride flags in

897
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: the Muslim school elementary schools in England. So okay, so

898
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: just talk about why Christians must oppose pride.

899
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

900
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: So, like I said, it goes back to my earlier

901
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: article when I was saying pride can and should be opposed,

902
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 4: and I think it's fundamentally for me. You've got to

903
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: think about love your neighbors. It's ironic that the progressive

904
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 4: fool even the Christians who are who are I think

905
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: even Evangelical Christians who are conservative technically on paper, but

906
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: they would never go near saying the kind of stuff

907
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: that I might say against pride. They just don't. They

908
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 4: just think it's like stirring up a hornet's nest. I

909
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: think they're probably guarding their reputations. They want to seem

910
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: so achingly empathetic and compassionate, and I think ambassion is

911
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: obviously good and good gentleness is important. I don't think

912
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: it's it's I wouldn't want if I was in face

913
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 4: to face with the same sex, attractive person or someone

914
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: called themselves gay or homosexual. I'm not going to be

915
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: like bashing them over the head with the Bible, but

916
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: I am going to be hoping, hopingly, hoping to speak

917
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 4: the truth in love to them, which may differ how

918
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: I do that to different people, But I'm still going

919
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: to absolutely oppose what's happening in the culture and in

920
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: the church when it comes up. And if you don't

921
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: do that, you're just basically capitulating to the agenda long term,

922
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 4: because we've seen the Church become more and more effeminate,

923
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: to become more easily swayed by the agendas of the

924
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: world by not opposing those enemies of the kingdom. Pride

925
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: is an absolute enemy of the Kingdom of God. It's demonic,

926
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: and it needs to be seen in those terms as

927
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: a spiritual battle. But if the evangelicals are going well,

928
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: I think it's so important to like evangelize the LGBT community.

929
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, amen, and let's do that. How

930
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 4: do we do that? But you do that by opposing

931
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 4: opposing this this beams first before it kind of continues

932
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: to groom children indirectly or directly and continue to sort

933
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: of undermine Christian civilization, which it has been doing for years.

934
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: And so if you if you don't do that, you're

935
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: kind of not loving your neighbor. So where the liberal

936
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: or progressive evangelical goes love your neighbor by going to

937
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: Pride and being nice and compassionate and giving out drinks

938
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: and going, hey, is this fun? I can I can

939
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: appreciate the joy that you have. Jesus is a bit

940
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 4: like that, isn't that great? And actually it's not. It's

941
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 4: not so great. It's a it's not Yeah, it's not

942
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: going to end well basically, And so I think this

943
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: is the the again, one of the many follies that

944
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: people evangelicals have that they don't actually they don't really

945
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: understand that they're not loving their neighbor if they're not

946
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: giving them the truth.

947
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Robert Gagnon points to this verse in Leviticus

948
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: as as kind of what you're saying about loving your neighbor.

949
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: It's Leviticus nineteen verse seventeen, where.

950
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: Where he says.

951
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 4: Where he says, my battery is about to die. I'll

952
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 4: come up with some spiritual analogy about why that's important. Okay,

953
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: I'm plugged in.

954
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

955
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 4: Lets and Robert Gagnon, he's great, Yeah, he's yeah, you know.

956
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: He says, but he says he quotes Leviticus nineteen seventeen

957
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: where it says, you shall not hate your brother in

958
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor,

959
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: lest you and curse sin because of him. So so basically,

960
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: if you're not speaking the truth to your neighbor, you're

961
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: incurring sin, yeah, because of him. So it's that's very important. Now,

962
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate because you say this in

963
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: the article, and you say, to be clear, Christians should

964
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: not oppose pride because they despise gay people or think

965
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: of them as lesser.

966
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: Human beings, because again, there but for the grace of

967
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: God go I.

968
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: So we agree on that we were not bashing gay people,

969
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: were bashing an ideology that is.

970
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: Demonic. Let's just say that absolutely.

971
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'd say the same with Islam. Like I

972
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: could speak strongly against Islam, and I'd want to try

973
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 4: and reach Muslims. But the way you do that is

974
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: to be and truthfully in love and being wise to

975
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: what's actually going on in the culture around us. So

976
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: being so loving the neighbors, loving the individual person in

977
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 4: front of you, and also loving your wider neighbors, your

978
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 4: wider neighborhood were going. If pride continues in this way,

979
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 4: it's going to keep corrupting and corroding moral foundations more broadly,

980
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 4: so you're not loving your future neighbors, You're not loving

981
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: your future children and grandchildren if you are allowing pride

982
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: to desecrate the Christian inheritance of the culture. And that's

983
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: something that we really need to grasp and go, oh

984
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: my goodness. One day. I do hope that, like with abortion,

985
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 4: I think we'll probably I say probably, I believe we

986
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 4: will abolish abortion, and I think pride also will be abolished.

987
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: I hope and pray, and then people wi look back

988
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: and remember that crazy time when they just had like

989
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 4: round crazy gyrating men and they thought this was like, okay, good.

990
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: Why didn't anyone say anything at the time, Why didn't

991
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: it take you so long to speak against it.

992
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Every cross yeah, every crosswalk in la is a rainbow

993
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: is painted as a rainbow flake.

994
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: And then okay, so we're gonna well in on this.

995
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: You talk about this the vibe shift, and you say,

996
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: I believe an increasing number of Westerners are becoming sick

997
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: of pride. It's like after the Ball when the two

998
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: gay guys who wrote that book, they said, talk about,

999
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, gayness until it's thoroughly tiresome.

1000
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's where we are.

1001
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: And I just want to show just a few examples

1002
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: of why I think this is the case. This is

1003
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: an article that came out. It says gay couple who

1004
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: showed off picture perfect family get one hundred, one hundred

1005
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: years in prison for horrific rape of adopted sons. So

1006
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: it's two gay men. If you're listening to this on

1007
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: a podcast, it's two gay men with two sons, young boys.

1008
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: And these guys are William Dale Zuloc and Zachary Jacoby

1009
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: Zuloc and they are two American child rapists. This is

1010
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: according to Wikipedia, which is interesting. There are two American

1011
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: child rapists and sex offenders currently serving a sentence of

1012
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: one hundred years in prison without the possibility of parole

1013
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: for the repeated sexual abuse and sexual exportation exploitation of

1014
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: their two adoptive sons. So there's that, and then there

1015
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: is this. Megan Basham says, I truly believe I can't

1016
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: even read this. These are the images that are going

1017
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: to bring down a Berger fell uh. And I think

1018
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: it's just this, this kind of constant and oh oh,

1019
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: and I want to play this, play this video. I

1020
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you you probably have seen this good

1021
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: think so. But it's a it's a gay fah, it's

1022
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: a gay couple and one of the guys is playing

1023
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: with their infant child. And this is the it's a

1024
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: one minute video, let's just play it. That is so disturbing.

1025
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: That's that's horrific. I mean, that is just Megan Basham

1026
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 4: is so on the ball on so many things.

1027
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 3: And certainly then that is Have you seen that video before?

1028
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 4: I have, I've never seen that. No, And that is oh,

1029
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: it's horrible to what I mean, it's this, it's this

1030
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: everything that everything that is wrong about the normalization of

1031
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: homo sexuality in per se in general, and it just

1032
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: carries on and now it's allowing adoptive gay gay parents

1033
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 4: because they know they need they need to take everything

1034
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: that we have. They need to take everything of Christian civilization,

1035
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: the normativity of the family, and the normativity of marriage.

1036
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: They want to kind of come for every single hurdle

1037
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: and keep going and going, to say, the train blasting

1038
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 4: past the station, to use Murray's analogy, and that's just

1039
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 4: it's horrific to watch that. The you know, that sort

1040
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: of visceral sense of a baby crying out for it

1041
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 4: for a mother, and we know that. I know that

1042
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 4: as a father of seven children who love her, love

1043
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: my sons, got four sons and two very young ones.

1044
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: At the moment, I am no, I can be as

1045
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 4: fun and good a dad as they want. There is

1046
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 4: no replacement for mother, but for their mama when they want,

1047
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: when they want her, it's like she is the absolute

1048
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 4: queen of their life. There's a kind of turning point

1049
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: where they where she gets sad that they kind of

1050
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: turn to me, and you know, I start playing football

1051
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 4: to the things, and then she just more and the

1052
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: loss I get my victory. Later on that they're like, oh, yeah,

1053
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: your old news. But that early stage, the maternal the

1054
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: joy of motherhood you see so many you know, there's

1055
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: various videos which are like that. In relation to feminism

1056
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: as well. We have a feminist who doesn't want children,

1057
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 4: doesn't want to be a mother. It's also repudiating divine

1058
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: nature in some in some respect, and all women will

1059
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: be mothers, but the vast majority will and we'll have

1060
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: that maternal instinct. And they're trying to suppress that, and

1061
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: they and they're trying to suppress the truth. And then

1062
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: suddenly it comes out because there's that woman when we've

1063
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: got handed a baby and she's like, oh my goodness,

1064
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 4: it's like starts weeping because it kind of nature wins out,

1065
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: God's creation wins out. And even there you see another

1066
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 4: example of that, but in the kind of reverse, in

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Speaker 4: a in a horrible way where you were like that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you didn't choose, you didn't choose this. They just they

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Speaker 4: they got you and like and it's even worse for

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Speaker 4: so many situations that we've seen like that that couple

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Speaker 4: I hate even to use the word couple, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: that that adopted and then abused those boys. And it's

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Speaker 4: even you probably have not even know if you have

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Speaker 4: the example of the other one in Britain. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: been in the news recently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that was a gay Nashville couple

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Speaker 1: who purchased the child at six weeks old, so I

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Speaker 1: think that child probably had already been saying mama. And

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Speaker 1: then but they're just trying to beat beat that word

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Speaker 1: out of that child, which is crazy. And then we

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Speaker 1: get this, of course, which is it again? And then

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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, why are in the world

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Speaker 1: with that the video we just watched. Why would they

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Speaker 1: post a video like that?

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Speaker 4: I know, it's insane. It's like a self phone, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's like a yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then this couple is I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: to say about this couple that that's we're looking at

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 4: It's I mean, this is dystopia what I want. Isn't

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Speaker 4: it like if you were to design like a terrible

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Speaker 4: society where where this is like the thing, people smiling

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Speaker 4: in this very sort of plastic way, in a very

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Speaker 4: like just horrific sense of again de norming God's norms.

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Speaker 4: This is like how you do it. I think that.

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Speaker 4: I think the young boy that's onto something, he just

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Speaker 4: looks weirded out and he's like I shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 4: It's like, no, this should not be happening.

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Speaker 1: They're both apparently, I think they're both hairdressers in Texas,

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Speaker 1: somewhere Insco, Texas. But yeah, they're very very happy about

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Speaker 1: their family and their white teeth. So then this is

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Speaker 1: the one I think you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: In Britain, this is very sad.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen months old baby Preston Davy died just three months

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Speaker 1: after being placed for adoption with a gay couple. Charges

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Speaker 1: include murder, abuse and serious offensive. Both defendants pled not guilty.

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Speaker 1: Another bay be raped by a gay couple to death.

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Speaker 1: This is super disturbing, so dark.

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Speaker 4: And these are people who were like involved in and okay,

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Speaker 4: I think there were teachers, but these are people who

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Speaker 4: would have like adoptions. I don't know what it's like

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Speaker 4: in the US. It's a really long and difficult process.

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Speaker 4: I've known people who can't have children who it's very difficult.

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Speaker 4: It's very difficult for someone who's not pro LGBT to

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Speaker 4: adopt as well. By the way, so if you're an

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Speaker 4: evangelic Christian and you're not like savage, you want to adopt,

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Speaker 4: you kind of have to like pretend. Many many have

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Speaker 4: had to pretend like or just not speak about their

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Speaker 4: views in the interviews because they're so keen to be like,

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Speaker 4: what do you do if this if you're if the

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Speaker 4: child wanted to be gay, you'd let them be gay?

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Speaker 4: Or wouldn't you? Like please? Is the gay Okay? That's

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Speaker 4: like a really big part of it. And so they're

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Speaker 4: kind of foisting that again on people. But apparently you

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Speaker 4: can you can hide, hide your convictions another way and

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Speaker 4: then completely abuse the child or that child of that

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Speaker 4: last photo I think we had, like was turned up

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Speaker 4: in hospital and was being abused, had forty different like

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01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 4: signs of abuse of all sorts of like everywhere all

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01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 4: over their body in loads of different ways. It was

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Speaker 4: like really obvious what had happened. It was like horrendous,

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Speaker 4: like you used like a doll or something. And these

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Speaker 4: are people who you'd see would think are respectable. And

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Speaker 4: of course the LGBT agenda would hate all this because

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 4: this is really bad publicity. This doesn't make our manifesto

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Speaker 4: look so great and rosy and dancing in the streets

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 4: and liberation and unbridled freedom and love. These are just aberrations.

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Speaker 4: We just have to say that aberrations and we don't

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Speaker 4: want the homophobic brigade to rear their head again. Anyone

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Speaker 4: who opposes Bride is what they probably call homophobic. Now,

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Speaker 4: who would equate LGBT with you know, the worst parts

1144
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 4: of the plus with pedophilia, that's always something like a

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 4: no go area that anyone in AD's allowed to make

1146
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 4: that kind of connection. Of course, you could make that

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Speaker 4: connection wrongly and unfairly, But I do think there's something

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Speaker 4: about giving yourself over to the lust of the flesh

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Speaker 4: and to the brazen desires of sin and not calling

1150
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Speaker 4: it sin. There's one thing like struggling with sin. Lots

1151
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 4: of people struggle with sexual sin in different ways, but

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Speaker 4: to be kind of brazenly open about it, like this

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Speaker 4: is good, This isn't even I'm not struggling with it,

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Speaker 4: I'm celebrating it. That's a whole different ballgame. And you

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Speaker 4: give yourself over to very dark, very dark forces when

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Speaker 4: that happens. And I just think that's why I get

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Speaker 4: another reason why pride should be opposed, because it leads

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Speaker 4: to this kind of horrendous stuff, And how many more

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Speaker 4: children are going to have to be raked to death

1160
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Speaker 4: before somebody starts genuinely asking questions about this and reversing

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Speaker 4: so many of these reforms that seem so liberating and

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Speaker 4: actually look increasingly more dystopian than people realized.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad people are starting.

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Speaker 1: It seems like last year and this year people are

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01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: kind of starting to wake up to this and starting

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: to push back on this whole the Pride Month and

1167
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Speaker 1: everything about it.

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Speaker 3: So that's the good news and we're going to leave

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Speaker 3: it there.

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Speaker 1: But Aaron Edwards, Doctor, Aaron Edwards, thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 4: No, it's a pleasure to be here as always, see

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Speaker 4: you next time.

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