1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm your host Rachel Adams, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: author of Everyday Prayers for Love, Learning to Love God, others, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and even yourself. Each week we dive into meaningful conversations 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: about how to live out the greatest commandment, loving God 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: loving our neighbors as ourselves, whether through inspiring stories, practical wisdom, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: or biblical truth. My hope is to encourage you to 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: love boldly, live faithfully, and reflect God's love in your 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: everyday life. Today, I'm honored to welcome Joanna Kimberl to 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: the show. Joanna is a Bible teacher, speaker, and writer 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: who is passionate about helping women see the beauty and 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: sufficiency of Christ in every season of life. Through her 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: teaching and writing, she invites women to trade striving and 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: self sufficiency for a deeper, more satisfying relationship with Jesus. 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: Joanna is the author of You Are Satisfied Devotions for 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: your Longing Heart. In this powerful forty day devotional, she 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: gently guides readers to bring their deepest desires, disappointments, and 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: longings to God's word, reminding them that while the world 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: encourages them to look inward for fulfillment, true satisfaction is 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: found only in Christ. Through themes like God's promises, provision, plan, 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: and presence, Joanna shows how God meets us in both 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: the highs and lows of life and transforms our desires 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: as we draw near to Him. Well, Hello, Joanna, and 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: welcome to the Level for Ring podcast. I'm so happy 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: to have you. 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Hi, Rachel. Thanks so much for having me here. This 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: is really fun. 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: As soon as I saw your book come through my mailbox, 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: which I was so beautiful first of all, I was 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: so thrilled to get it. I'm like, I need to 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: have her on this show because I think this idea 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: of satisfaction is something that we all desire to have, 34 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: but so few of us actually do. So I'm thrilled 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: to have this conversation. I don't think in eight seasons 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: of the podcast we've had it yet, so that's exciting. Yeah, 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: that I am interested. Is it safe or wrong to 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: assume that? But maybe you were unsatisfied at some point 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: and so felt led to write about that. Is that 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: a safe assumption? I don't know. 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: You're not wrong, It's definitely a safe assumption, because I mean, 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: I think that that's true of all of us, isn't it. 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And you know, this devotional really came out of a 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: season where I had to wrestle with can I be 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: satisfied when my circumstances are not what I hoped for 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: or what I wanted. It was really a season of 47 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of difficulty, a lot of struggle, a lot 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: of refining. It included a lot of hard things, things 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: like I was diagnosed with a chronic illness and I 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: had some really challenging relationships that I had to navigate. 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying these things in the past tense. I'm still 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: really walking through a lot of these things. But there 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: was also just some hurt that was going on in 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: our local church. I mean, I could keep going, and 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure listeners can name off all sorts of their 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: own circumstances, but I came to this place where I said, 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: almost nothing in my life is what I thought. I 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: feel like every part of my life is somehow touched 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: by struggle and somehow touched by things being different. Every 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: area of my life needed me to wait on something. 61 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And so it was in that season that I knew 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: I needed to press in to the one constant, unchanging 63 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: source of satisfaction. I needed to see and learn and 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: remind myself what it means to be satisfied in Christ. 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: And so I wrote this devotional for me in a 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways, but I also wrote it for anyone 67 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: else who struggles to be content or satisfied in different 68 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: times of their life. And I think that's all of us. 69 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: Amen. Well, so was this when things switched for you? 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: Was it just like this tension that's wrestling with the 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Lord and you felt like the Lord revealed something to you? 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: Or what did that process look like like? When did 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: it actually switch from I'm feeling this way and then naw, 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: my perspective has now changed or I need to look 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: at it through this lens. 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's at a great question. I don't know if 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: there was a one day when everything changed, you know. 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: I think sometimes the Lord gives us things and reveals 79 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: things to us about maybe our sin or the areas 80 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: where we're not trusting him as we are ready for them, 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: as He is ready to work them in us. And 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: so really, as I look back over the past many years, 83 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: was kind of the slow building. There were several different times, 84 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, there was one in particular, where I had 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: to leave a job that I really loved and that 86 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: I thought was kind of going to be my forever job, 87 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: and I found my identity in that job, and when 88 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I left, I realized my satisfaction has been rooted there, 89 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: my sense of purpose and joy has been there, and 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: then it was gone. And so really, I guess that 91 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: is kind of the point. From that point, the Lord 92 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: just kept adding on more things that he wanted to 93 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: show me, more places where I was clinging to, whether 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: it be what other people think of me, or what 95 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: I can accomplish, or you know, you can name any 96 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: number of things. He just began bit by bit to 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: reveal those to me, and the beautiful thing, It's been 98 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: like the hardest season of my entire life, but it's 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: also been the most joyful and the most fruitful and 100 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the most growth that I've experienced, all alongside some of 101 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: the deepest sorrow. So there was kind of a moment 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: when I feel like it started. But man, he's just 103 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: been working on me for years and giving me that 104 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: deeper satisfaction in him, and I'm still a work in progress, 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: So I can't say that every single day. I don't 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: wrestle with trying to find my satisfaction somewhere else. It's 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: just not true. I think we're going to wrestle all 108 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: the way to glory. But I can see a trajectory 109 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: that He has worked in my life through hardship and 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: through suffering and through trials in order to to just 111 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: make that satisfaction even deeper rooted, and to make it 112 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: firmer and stronger and more consistent. 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: That's so good. You know, as you were talking about 114 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: that job, how tempting it is for us to fund 115 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: satisfaction in everything but the Lord, because it is such 116 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: an immediate gratification here on earth, and that I think 117 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: that I have fallen prey to that and identity, you know, 118 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: and getting accolades and getting applause and finding joy. But 119 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: at the same time, don't you think that God wants 120 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: us to fund joy and so much and satisfaction in 121 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: so many of the blessings that He's given us. 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's the thing is God gives us good gifts. 123 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: He is the giver of every good and perfect gift. 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: It all comes from Him. And so there is such 125 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: a tension that we have to face in our lives 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: of these things have been given to us for us 127 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: to enjoy. But the problem is when we take these 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: good things and make them ultimate things, when they become 129 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: the thing that we need most in our lives to 130 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: be happy. And you know, part of the reason that 131 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: God gives us these incredible gifts out of love for 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: us is because He wants them to point us back 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: to Him, back to the giver, And if we are 134 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: just stopping at the gift, we are missing the fullness 135 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: of what He has for us. 136 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, well, I can't wait to continue today's conversation, 137 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: but we're going to take a brief break to hear 138 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: a word from today's sponsor, and when we come back, 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: we'll talk about how God meets us in our longings 140 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: and reshapes our desires. Welcome back. I'm talking with that 141 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: Joeanna Kimberl about her book You Are Satisfied. And in 142 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: your book it talks about how our desires aren't necessarily 143 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: the problem, but where we take them matters. So how 144 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: can we begin to recognize when we are looking to 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: the wrong things for satisfaction? 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, there are so many symptoms of this. I 147 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: would say, when we're we're looking somewhere else, I think 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: one one of the biggest things that we would maybe 149 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: notice is this this need to hold on tight to something. 150 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: I think that as soon as we notice that we 151 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: are constantly worrying about what if I don't have this 152 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: thing anymore, or what do I need to do to 153 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: make sure I secure this thing that I really want, 154 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: whether it is a job promotion, or whether it is 155 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, a relationship, or this however much money it 156 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: is that you're trying to make, or getting into this college, 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever it may be. As soon as 158 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: we notice that we have a lot of anxiety around 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: trying to make sure that those things happen and that 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: they don't go away. I think that what we're noticing 161 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: then is we are looking to our vision of what 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: is best for our life instead of trusting that knowing 163 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: Christ and knowing God is what is best for our life, 164 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: and He knows what is best. And so if things 165 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: aren't going to work out the way that we planned 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: or hoped, if we just feel crushed, and you know, 167 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: it's okay to be sad. I'm not saying we shouldn't grieve. 168 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: We should grieve. I have grieved a lot over the 169 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: past several years. But if we get to a point 170 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: of despair where we just cannot get out of it, 171 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: maybe that's an indication that our hope and our satisfaction 172 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: was in the wrong thing. I think that we can 173 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: see a deep level of satisfaction in Christ when we 174 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: can look at our life and we can say, this 175 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: is not what I planned, this is not what I wanted. 176 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Maybe this is not what I prayed for. But I 177 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: know that I have a God who is good, who 178 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: is all knowing, who is powerful, and who loves me. 179 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: So I can trust that no matter how it works out, 180 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: it is for my good. 181 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: When I think about satisfaction, I also can sometimes think 182 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: about complacency. Talk to us about that tension a little bit, 183 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: like we want to be satisfied and content, but not complacent. 184 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: Do you see the distinction in those things one hundred percent? 185 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Because you could say, oh, well, I'm just satisfied, I'm content, 186 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: and so I'm just going to stay right where I am. 187 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: And I don't think that that's what God has for us, 188 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: because the reality is that God has put us on 189 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: this earth with a mission, and the mission is to 190 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: make him known, to make disciples, to bring other people 191 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: to Him. And that means that He has given us 192 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: gifts to use to glorify Him, to serve others, And 193 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: so there is this place where we can sit and like, well, 194 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to, you know, sit 195 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: in dissatisfaction. So I'm just not going to try and 196 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: develop my gifts. I'm just not even going to follow 197 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: after these things that I love. Because maybe it's easier 198 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: to just say I'm going to keep those off limits, 199 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: because then I don't have to worry that I'm falling 200 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: into sin. But the reality is, I think that often 201 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: our giftings are also our places of greatest potential temptation. 202 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: You know, I know that I have noticed that in 203 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: my life. One of the giftings God has put in 204 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: my life is teaching his word. Love it. It is 205 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: such a joy. And one of my biggest struggles has 206 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: been pride around how people perceive me as I'm teaching 207 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: his word. Now, it would be not being faithful to 208 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: the Lord. If I said I'm just not going to 209 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: teach the Bible because then I won't be tempted towards pride. 210 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: That would be easier, but that doesn't help us grow. 211 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: It's not being faithful to what He's given us. So 212 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: really the hard way is the way of holding the tension. 213 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: It's really easy to go one way or the other 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: say well, this is what I'm gifted to do, as 215 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: made to do this, so of course I'm just going 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: to go one hundred percent, or to say this is 217 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: a struggle for me, so I'm just going to avoid it. 218 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: That neither of those are faithfulness, the middle way of 219 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: saying God, I need your help and coming to him 220 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: every single day. Independence say God, give me wisdom, God 221 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: give me humility. God help me to accept when you 222 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: say yes and when you say no, and please alert 223 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: me when there's something coming up in my heart that 224 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be there. That's the harder way, but 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: it's the way that brings more growth and I think 226 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: more satisfaction for us as we are depending on him 227 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: and knowing him more closely. 228 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: Is there a biblical example that you have found of 229 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: someone that lived in this way, somebody that was constantly 230 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: feeling dissatisfied and then somebody that lived satisfied. 231 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I could think of a lot of 232 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: examples of dissatisfaction. 233 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Easy, didn't it. 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were several different stories that came to mind. 235 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: One I think about when James and John, who are 236 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: two of Peter's disciples, came to Jesus and said, hey, 237 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: will you make us like set at your left hand 238 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: and your right hand in your kingdom? You know, they 239 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: were striving for this place of position, in this place 240 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: of honor, instead of being content with the fact that 241 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: God has called them to follow him wherever he leads. 242 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: Or you know, I think about Abraham when God made 243 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: him a promise that I will give you a son 244 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and he will be the father of many nations. And 245 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: Abraham and Sarah are getting real old. She is well 246 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: into metapal, and there's just no way naturally that's going 247 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: to happen. Abraham gets tired of waiting. He's not content 248 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: and satisfied in God's promise, And so Sarah says, why 249 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: don't you go sleep with Hagar with this other woman 250 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: and bring a child for us? And so he does, 251 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: and man, it causes all kinds of strife. But you 252 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: know what I want to say too, is the beautiful 253 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: thing about both of those examples is that they are 254 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: both cited in scripture as faithful followers of Jesus. I 255 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: think that's important for us because it's really easy in 256 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: this conversation to say, Gosh, I have messed this up 257 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: so much. Every single day. I think we struggle with 258 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: this and we make mistakes. But man, God is a 259 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: god of grace and redemption, and so even if we 260 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: continue to struggle with satisfaction, Man, God can still redeem that, 261 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,239 Speaker 1: and can still use us and still calls us to himself. 262 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, as you were asking about what about people 263 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: examples of people who lived satisfied, there are also lots 264 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: of examples of people who did that never consistently, you know, 265 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: because later we do see that Abraham says that he 266 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: his faith didn't waver and he trusted that God could 267 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: even raise his son from the dead when God asked 268 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: him to sacrifice him. So he was satisfied and God's 269 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: promise and that moment, you know, we see all of 270 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: these times when people mess up with both. I think 271 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: the only true example we can look to is Christ. 272 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: He's the only one who ever lived satisfied. And you know, 273 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: it's so interesting because looking at Christ is the example 274 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: of being satisfied probably feels counterintuitive because I think our 275 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: definition of satisfaction in our minds might mean comfortable, it 276 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: might mean easy, it might mean having all the things 277 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: that we want, where things going the way that we 278 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: hoped that they would. Christ was called a man of suffering, 279 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: acquainted with grief, and his satisfaction was found in trusting 280 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: the Father's will. He even prayed in the garden God, 281 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: this is the night before he was arrested. He prayed, God, 282 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: if there is any way for this to not happen, 283 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: if there is any way that I cannot go to 284 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: the cross, please let it be so. But not my will, 285 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: but your will be done. Jesus experienced a depth of 286 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: agony that we can never imagine. But he was also 287 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the most completely satisfied human to ever walk the earth 288 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: because he completely entrusted himself to the will of the Father. 289 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: He had a complete, uninterrupted, intimate relationship with God. He 290 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: trusted his plans, he trusted his promises. He was satisfied 291 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: in all circumstances. He trusted God's word for his life. 292 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: And so satisfaction does not have to be that everything 293 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: is good and happy all the time. You know, Paul 294 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: says that we are sorrowful yet always rejoicing, And I 295 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: think that that really is such a beautiful description of 296 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: what being satisfied in God really is. 297 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: Talk to us about this concept in relation to our relationships, 298 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: specifically in marriage and in motherhood. And you're the mother 299 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: of three young girls, and so how has this concept 300 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: shaped or changed and even transformed your marriage and motherhood? 301 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, hugely, I would say. 302 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 303 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think that there's a huge temptation as 304 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: mom or parents, or as a spouse to make that 305 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: person the source of your own satisfaction. Ye said, like 306 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: this companionship, this way you need. It's this love. And 307 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: anybody who has been married for any amount of time 308 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: knows that it doesn't always work that way. Because we 309 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: are sinners married to sinners. That's just the way that 310 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: it is. And the same thing with our kids, Like 311 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: we kind of have this vision of this beautiful life 312 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: where our kids always want to be around us and 313 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: everything's you know, baking cookies and playing in the park 314 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: and all of those things. Or even even with adult children, 315 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: right this idea, like I want them to come over 316 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: all the time and call me every day and hang 317 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: out with me and all these things. And you know, 318 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times it doesn't work out the way 319 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: that we expected it to. For one reason or another. 320 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: But I think it's not only a kindness to ourselves 321 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: to realize these people were never meant to satisfy me, 322 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: Like they were never meant to be the thing that 323 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: makes me happy. And okay, that's not only a kindness 324 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: to ourselves. Was a kindness to them because there is 325 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: such a pressure that comes from needing to be the 326 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: one who fulfills your parents' desires, your spouses every emotional need, 327 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: like it's just not possible, and that weight can be crushing. 328 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: And so when we look at our husband's or our 329 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: wives or our children, those things are good gifts. Like 330 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: we said before, they are meant to point us back 331 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: to God. They are gifts that are meant to show 332 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: us how much we need a good and perfect father 333 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: who is so much better than us. Or they are 334 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: gifts that show us like, if my husband loves me 335 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: this much, how much more does Christ love his church? 336 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: So these things, they were never meant to satisfy us. 337 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: And so one of the greatest gifts that we can give, 338 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: both to our children and to our spouses is to 339 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: pursue our joy in the Lord. That is the greatest 340 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: gift we can give to them. But also to us. 341 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: And you know the flip side with kids, I think 342 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: sometimes we think we have to be all of their satisfaction, 343 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: and so there's a freedom in knowing that, Nope, they 344 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: need to look to the Father, they need to look 345 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: to Christ. Because when we inevitably mess up and make 346 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: mistakes in our parenting, we can freely go to them 347 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: and we can apologize and say, hey, mommy is not perfect. 348 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: You have a father who is though you know he 349 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: will never let you down. And I'm so glad he 350 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: forgives me when I make mistakes, and I hope you 351 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: will forgive me too. So, yeah, it would. They were 352 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: just never meant to be it, but we get this 353 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: mindset that that's the ultimate thing that we need. 354 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh that's so good. Joanna. Well, I can't wait 355 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: to continue today's conversation, but we're going to take another 356 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: brief break to hear a word from today's sponsor, and 357 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: when you come back, we will talk about finding peace 358 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: and difficult seasons and how God uses our longings for 359 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: his glory. Welcome back, and I'm talking with Joanna Kimberl 360 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: about her book You are Satisfied, and you know you 361 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: kind of alluded to this earlier, but you're right about 362 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: finding peace in the middle of life's has and lows. 363 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: So for the woman today that's walking through grief, disappointment, 364 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: or uncertainty, what encouragement would you offer to her today? 365 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: Man, how much time do you have? You know, I 366 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: will just say that this is an area that has 367 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: been so meaningful for me to think through because life 368 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: is full of grief and disappointments. You know, we can't 369 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: we can't get away from it. I allude to this earlier, 370 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: but there are three elements of God's character that I 371 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: call to mind every time that I'm dealing with some 372 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: kind of disappointment. And it is one that God is 373 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: all knowing, He is wise, and he knows what is best. 374 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: Two is that he is all powerful, which means he 375 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: is able to make those good, those best things happen. 376 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: And three is that He is good and he loves us. 377 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: And so if he knows all things, and he is 378 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: able to make all things come to pass, and he 379 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: loves us, then we can trust that He is able 380 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: to work all things together for our good in our lives. 381 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: And so even when we do not understand why, we 382 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: can trust him and you know, sometimes there are there 383 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: are circumstances that seem like, no, you know what, I 384 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: can understand why God didn't let me have that job, 385 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: But this tragedy or this horrific thing is it's just 386 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: that that's too much like that is outside of God 387 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: using this for good. And you know, whenever I am 388 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: tempted to think that, because my mind definitely goes there. 389 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: Whenever I am tempted to think that, I remember that 390 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: the most horrific and tragic and evil event in human 391 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: history was that the Son of God was torture and 392 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: betrayed and shamed and crucified. But that very event was 393 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: also the thing that God used to bring about our 394 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: ultimate salvation and satisfaction. And so if God can use 395 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: the cross for good, then he can bring joy from 396 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: our suffering. And so that's one thing I would say. 397 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is man one of 398 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: my favorite passages in scripture, well, I have so many, 399 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: so one I did say. One one of them is 400 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: Second Corinthians, chapter four, verses sixteen through eighteen. It's been 401 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: so meaningful in my life. It says, so we do 402 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: not lose heart though our outer self is wasting away 403 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: our inner self is being renewed day by day. For 404 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: this light, momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal 405 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not 406 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: to the things that are seen, but to the things 407 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: that are unseen. The things that are seen a pansient. 408 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: The things that are unseen are eternal. And I love 409 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: this passage so much because what it's not saying is, hey, 410 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: one day, this will all be better, This too shall pass. 411 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: It's not not saying that, but it's actually saying more 412 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: than that, because those things are true, like there is 413 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: a day that we look forward to when all that 414 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: is wrong will be made right. But it's saying more 415 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: than that. It is saying that these afflictions and sorrows 416 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: and griefs that we are experiencing, that feel so heavy 417 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: and relentless in this life, are producing a weight of glory. 418 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: They are bringing about good and joy and glory for 419 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: us in eternity, happiness that we would not have experienced 420 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: if we didn't also experience that's suffering. So they're not 421 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: just going to be over one day. They serve a purpose. 422 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: They are meaningful, and when we look to eternity and 423 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: see the glory that will be there for us. The 424 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: weight of that glory and the eternality of that glory, 425 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: that it's everlasting, will make these heavy and seemingly relentless 426 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: sorrows feel light and momentary in comparison, Man, how good 427 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: must the glory? 428 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: I hear everything you're saying, and I agree with everything 429 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: you're saying. Huh, But on a practical level for the 430 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: person who's listening saying, Okay, I understand that on a 431 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: head level and maybe even on a heart level, But 432 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: how do I actually live this out practically? I want 433 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 2: to live satisfied. What can we do or is it 434 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: simply just a heart change? 435 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Well, it is a heart change, but that heart change 436 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: doesn't just come out of nowhere, that heart change, it's not. 437 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: It is something we do, but it's not something we do. 438 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is that we have 439 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: to prioritize time. With the Lord, we have to prioritize time, 440 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: and his word right says we look to the things 441 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: that are unseen. How can we know what is coming 442 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: if we aren't in God's work, you know? How can 443 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: we look to the fact that we will be with 444 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: God forever and look forward to that if we are 445 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: not enjoying being in his presence now, and so I 446 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: think prioritizing time every single day whatever possible in God's 447 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: word is the most important thing that we can do. 448 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: But don't just read it and move on with your day. 449 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: God's word is him talking to us. Spend time talking 450 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: back to him, join the conversation, Spend time praying. Not 451 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: just about like God, help me have a good day, 452 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: no help me with this or that, but when you're 453 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: in his words, say God, please make these truths real 454 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: in my life. Because we can't do that, we can't 455 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: do the heart change. But he can sit in his presence, 456 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: enjoy time with him, even if that means that you're 457 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: sitting in nature and just in the quiet and in 458 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: your mind thanking him for all that he's made, because 459 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: he reveals himself through his creation as well. So, yeah, 460 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: we can't just pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and 461 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: say I'm gonna shove down the pain. I'm going to 462 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: shove down the sadness. I'm going to shove down the frustration. 463 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: We bring all of that to the Lord and we 464 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: know that he walks with us and he is the 465 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: only one who can transform our heart. 466 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll tell us. Is there a biblical concept of 467 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: love that you think applies to this topic today? Oh? 468 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I mean again, how much time do you have? 469 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: And I've kind of alluded to it a little bit. 470 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that I would say that 471 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: has been so beautiful as I have walked through Scripture 472 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: and looked at these ideas of being satisfied is the 473 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: fact that God loves us so much that he wants 474 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: us to be happy, like he wants us to find 475 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: joy in him. You know, there are so many things 476 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: that we see in scripture as like rules and restrictions, 477 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: but ultimately all of those things are so that we 478 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: can have more of the only thing that will actually 479 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: make us happy. It's so that we aren't turning to 480 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: things that aren't going to satisfy. God says in Isaiah 481 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: fifty five, come all who thirst, come to the waters, 482 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: and he who has no money, come buy and eat. 483 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: And then he says, why do you spend your money 484 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: for that which is not bread and your labor for 485 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: that which does not satisfy. Listen diligently to me eat 486 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: what is good delight in rich food. So God is 487 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: calling us come delight. Please stop wasting your life by 488 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: spending it on all of these things that are just 489 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: going to leave you sick. You're drinking this water that 490 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: the world is holding out to you, saying this will 491 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: satisfy you if you're thirsty, drink this, But there's poison 492 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: in that water. And the water that God offers is 493 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: living water that wells up into us into a spring 494 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: of eternal life. And so yeah, God calls us to 495 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: be content, to be satisfied in him, not because he 496 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: doesn't want to give us the good things we want, 497 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: because he wants to give us himself. And that's because 498 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: he loves us. 499 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Okay, so tell us something you are loving 500 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: right now. 501 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, okay. I am loving doing pot from my bedroom. 502 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: I have okay, I have a pilates app that I 503 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: use right now. I know pilates is all the rage 504 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: these days, but I also have hyper mobile joints and 505 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: so the real wobbly and pilates is great for stabilizing 506 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: them and strengthening them. So it's been a really great 507 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: time every day because the videos are real short, I'm 508 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: doing I'm doing the quick stuff here. It's been a 509 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: really great time to just be grateful for the body 510 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: that God has given me and to steward it well, 511 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: even in the places that maybe it's weaker than for 512 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: some other people. 513 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: Okay, so do you actually have a reformer or are 514 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: you just doing a block and a foam will learn 515 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: all those things? 516 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing that pilates, yeah, plates. 517 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: Okay, what's the app? 518 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: Tell us it's called Lindy. 519 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: Well, okay, how do you spell that? 520 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: L I N D y W E L. 521 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: L Okay, we will put it in the show notes. 522 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 2: This is yeah, you heard it here first everyone, Okay, 523 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: all right, well awesome, we'll have to try that. I 524 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: walk a lot. I do like my weight advist, I 525 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: do my so on, do some weights. But it's all 526 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: always good to switch it up a little bit. Yeah. 527 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very restorative too, like strengthening but also restorative. 528 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: You can lie down. 529 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: While sign me up, Sign me up. Well, I know 530 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: that I want to stay connected with you. I'm sure 531 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: listeners are going Twentywo're gonna want to grab a copy 532 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 2: of this new devotional, So tell us how we can 533 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: best do that. Yeah. 534 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. The devotional is available wherever books are sold. You 535 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: can get it on Amazon. You can get it wherever 536 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: you typically buy books. It's called You Are Satisfied, and 537 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: it's a forty day devotional. You can also find me. 538 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: I have a website, Joanna Kimbrel dot com with a 539 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: few pieces of information there some the other things I've written, 540 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: as well as a place to request me as a 541 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: speaker or a Bible teacher if you would like that. 542 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: And I'm also on Instagram sporadically not Joanna Kimbrel. 543 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, we will include that in the show notes as well. 544 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: But would you pray for us as we close today? 545 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I would love to. Father God, You are such 546 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: a good and loving and kind God, and you desire 547 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: for us to be satisfied. You also know that the 548 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: only place that we can find that is in you. 549 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: So God, we are so grateful that you have chosen 550 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: to reveal yourself to us through your word, through your creation, 551 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: through your son God, and that you are so gracious 552 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: to call us to yourself, both through the good gifts 553 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: that we have that point to the artists who made them, 554 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: but also through the sorrows and the trials that show 555 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: us how desperately we need you. We need your help, 556 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: we need your strength, We need your forgiveness. So God, 557 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you that you are so good and 558 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: so kind and so powerful and so loving to us. God, 559 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: would you help us to see the ways that we're 560 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: satisfied or we're seeking satisfaction in things that do not 561 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: satisfy God, and draw us closer to You. God, help 562 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: us to find joy that goes along sorrow in your son. 563 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: We pray all these things in his name, the name 564 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ. Amen. 565 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: Amen, Joanna, Thank you You've encouraged my heart so much 566 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: today and I appreciate your time so much. 567 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: Fun. Thank you for thank you for inviting me on. 568 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Love Offering Podcast. 569 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: I hope today's conversation encouraged and inspired you to love God, 570 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: love others, and even love yourself a little more. If 571 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: you enjoyed this episode, please share it with our friend 572 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: and lieb a review. It helps others find the show 573 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: and spread the message of love even further. To connect 574 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: with me, visit me on my website at Rachelkadams dot com. 575 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: Why you're there, be sure to download the Love Always Devotional, 576 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: a free resource to help you realize how beloved you 577 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: already are. Don't forget to pick up a copy of 578 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: Joanna Kimberl's book, You Are Satisfied, a beautiful reminder that 579 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: the deepest longings of your heart were never meant to 580 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: be ignored. They were meant to lead you to the 581 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: only one who can truly satisfy. A special thank you 582 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: to Life Audio for supporting this podcast and making it 583 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: possible to find more great podcasts visitlifeaudio dot com. Thanks 584 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: again for joining us today. Until next time, let's make 585 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: our lives an offering of love.