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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show here at
Speaker 2: the YREFI Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Welcome Blake. So there's
Speaker 2: lots going on this morning. We're gonna hit the de
Speaker 2: Carlos Brown story, the Aruna Zarutzka killer in just the second.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna give you a quick update on the
Speaker 2: status of the fragile ceasefire.
Speaker 4: We knew it was fragile. Has anything updated since yesterday?
Speaker 2: Well, Vice President Advance is out front and he I mean,
Speaker 2: you rarely see him this frustrated. Now we know why
Speaker 2: I think this is interesting is because Vice President Vance.
Speaker 2: We know from that blockbuster expose by Swan and Maggie
Speaker 2: Haberman that Vice President Advance was very against going into war.
Speaker 2: He was very vocal about it internally. We've known this
Speaker 2: from reporting that he was against going into Iran. I
Speaker 2: think he's now going to be having a very prominent
Speaker 2: position in the negotiations in Islamabad this Friday, Saturday, over
Speaker 2: the weekend, so he's being asked about different aspects of
Speaker 2: this and that The clips are I think very telling,
Speaker 2: very important to give us framework through which to process
Speaker 2: everything that's going on, and one of the main keys
Speaker 2: is what's happening in Lebanon, what's happening in the straight
Speaker 2: horror moves. Those seem to actually be the two keys.
Speaker 2: I'll say, let's go ahead and start sought one.
Speaker 5: I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon,
Speaker 5: and it just didn't. We never made that promise, We
Speaker 5: never indicated that was going.
Speaker 2: To be the case.
Speaker 5: What we said is that the ceasefire would be focused
Speaker 5: on Iran, and the ceasefire would be focused on America's allies,
Speaker 5: both Israel and the golf are of states.
Speaker 4: This Get says something unusual, which is a lot of
Speaker 4: ceasefires really traditionally would be written and you would have
Speaker 4: a clear provisions on what it covers. It seems this
Speaker 4: one was more ad hoc, maybe more.
Speaker 2: Of a ninety minutes before the.
Speaker 4: Ninety minutes before verbal deal, handshake, deal, what have you,
Speaker 4: that is away. President Trump often likes to do things.
Speaker 4: But you do see where there can be issues there
Speaker 4: because you come out of the deal and then everyone
Speaker 4: is immediately arguing about what deal was actually made.
Speaker 2: Well, and to be fair, I mean Hesbela is supposed
Speaker 2: to be a separate entity, but this sort of exposes
Speaker 2: that they are a proxy for the Irano regime. Okay,
Speaker 2: so then the issue of the ten point plan so
Speaker 2: getting more and more clarity. We saw this from Caroline
Speaker 2: Levitt yesterday during the press conference that this was the
Speaker 2: previously reported on ten point plan is not the one
Speaker 2: that they're talking about. I'm hearing people call bs on
Speaker 2: this a little bit that this is a matter of semantics,
Speaker 2: but the other people are pushing back in the Admin
Speaker 2: saying that the ten point plan that was agreed to
Speaker 2: as a basis upon which to start negotiations was significant
Speaker 2: different than the ten point plan previously reported on. Vice
Speaker 2: President Vance goes pretty hardcore on this point as well.
Speaker 2: ST Two, there are.
Speaker 5: Three different ten point proposals, at least that I've seen
Speaker 5: floating around. The first ten point proposal was something that
Speaker 5: was submitted and we think, frankly was probably written by
Speaker 5: chat GPT, that was submitted to Steve Wickcoff and Jared
Speaker 5: Kushner that immediately went in the garbage and was rejected.
Speaker 2: There was a second.
Speaker 5: Ten point proposal that was much more reasonable, that was
Speaker 5: based on some back and forth between us between.
Speaker 2: The Pakastandi's and fans.
Speaker 5: That is the ten point proposal that the President was
Speaker 5: referencing in his truth yesterday. And then, frankly, I've seen
Speaker 5: a third ten point proposal that's even more maximalist than
Speaker 5: the first ten point proposal that's been floating around various
Speaker 5: social media channels.
Speaker 2: Yep, and there seems to be a particular ire that
Speaker 2: the White House is pointing and directing to CNN, New
Speaker 2: York Times. JD Vance continues on this theme. St.
Speaker 5: Seven is that I've seen various organs, The New York Times, CNN,
Speaker 5: others pick up and run the original ten point proposal
Speaker 5: based on little more than a random Yahoo and Iran
Speaker 5: submitting it to public access television in the country of Iran,
Speaker 5: and then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position
Speaker 5: of the government.
Speaker 2: It's the equivalent of somebody in let's.
Speaker 5: Say, a Democratic councilman in Boise, Idaho, saying something crazy,
Speaker 5: the local public access TV picking up that crazy statement,
Speaker 5: and then the New York Times running that as the
Speaker 5: position of the President of the United States.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make an ounce of sense.
Speaker 2: So where does that leave us? I think it leaves
Speaker 2: us in a position where the strait is currently not operating. Still,
Speaker 2: the Straighthorn Moose is not closed. And as we remember,
Speaker 2: as you might recalls, yes it is closed. Uh, as
Speaker 2: you might recall, we have President Trump's expletive laced true
Speaker 2: Social saying open the lace.
Speaker 4: It was just one.
Speaker 2: It's just a yeah, we effing straight opened the straight.
Speaker 2: And so that is not open yet. And that was
Speaker 2: a key, I guess, pillar of establishing this two week ceasefire.
Speaker 2: So it's unclear what's gonna happen. It seems that momentum
Speaker 2: is racing towards Islamabad on Sunday, Friday, and Saturday this weekend.
Speaker 2: President Trump has indicated that Jade Van, Steve Witkoff, Chared
Speaker 2: Kushner gonna be leading those negotiations, and it seems to
Speaker 2: be that the calculation is even though the strait has
Speaker 2: not been opened back up, you see a little bit
Speaker 2: of saber rattling on truth Social from the President saying
Speaker 2: we're armed and ready. Everybody's getting ready to go if
Speaker 2: we have to, but they want to see if this
Speaker 2: peace proposal can play itself out and actually net some
Speaker 2: good results for the country. So it looks like we're
Speaker 2: sort of ignoring the straight for the time being, at
Speaker 2: least for the next two days, it appears, until a
Speaker 2: piece negotiation is able to play itself out. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna see what happens. But fragile piece to say the least,
Speaker 2: and I it does not seem that the Irani regime
Speaker 2: is buckling necessarily, They're well defiant.
Speaker 4: The reason we got here is we attempted to do
Speaker 4: regime change and it didn't succeed. Let's be frank, and.
Speaker 2: We turned over the top of the Irani regime. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the ier GC, the regime is still in power, still
Speaker 2: entrenched in that country, still running things. It's very clear.
Speaker 2: So we're going to see how this plays out. This
Speaker 2: is the Trump truths is all US ships, aircraft, and
Speaker 2: military personnel with additional ammunition, weaponry, and anything else that
Speaker 2: is appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction
Speaker 2: of an already substantially degraded enemy will remain in place
Speaker 2: in and around Iran until such time as the real
Speaker 2: agreement all caps noted reached is fully complied with. If
Speaker 2: for any reason it is not, which is highly unlikely,
Speaker 2: then the shooting starts bigger and better and stronger than and.
Speaker 4: The last time the shooting starts was Floyda Palooza. Remember
Speaker 4: he said the looting starts, the shooting starts.
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
Speaker 4: Yes, he did that.
Speaker 2: It's a phrase, it's a good recall. It was agreed
Speaker 2: a long time ago. And despite all the fake rhetoric
Speaker 2: to the contrary, no nuclear weapons and the strait of
Speaker 2: horn Moose will be open and safe. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: our great military is loading up and resting, looking forward
Speaker 2: actually to its next conquest. Conquest is quite the word there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what if he's referencing Cuba or some
Speaker 2: other situation or around itself. So lots of moving pieces.
Speaker 2: As they say, it's a complex situation. Here's where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I agree actually in letting the piece talks go forward.
Speaker 2: I think we need to declare victory, get out. Even
Speaker 2: if it's a fragile piece. That's fine. In the first
Speaker 2: moments of this ceasefire, it's always a fragile piece. So
Speaker 2: let's move forward, put our good faith effort forward and
Speaker 2: see if we can get in and get out, and
Speaker 2: let's focus on nation building back here at home. So
Speaker 2: even if it's not perfect, as long as you get
Speaker 2: the nukes. You can declare victory. You can say, hey,
Speaker 2: we came, we saw we took care of their military
Speaker 2: industrial base, took care of their missiles, took care of
Speaker 2: all that, and we got the nukes. Yeah. It's not perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's some questions about the strait. But America, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you the the we need to focus back on
Speaker 2: domestics if we're going to have any hope in the
Speaker 2: midterms and in twenty twenty eight, which we do. We
Speaker 2: do have hope, so we got to focus on the
Speaker 2: positive there. All right, we have to get to this
Speaker 2: story because it's going massively viral, first of all, but
Speaker 2: it's infuriating and that's why it's going viral. And that,
Speaker 2: of course is the story of de Carlos Brown Junior,
Speaker 2: who is the crazed madman who butchered Arena Zerutzka last
Speaker 2: summer on a train. And of course everybody's seen the
Speaker 2: videos of Arena Zerutzka was a Ukrainian refugee from the
Speaker 2: war who moved to North Carolina. She's on her way,
Speaker 2: I think, to her job. Are coming home from her
Speaker 2: job at a pizza parlor and Carlos Brown gets up
Speaker 2: out of his seat, takes out a knife and butchers her,
Speaker 2: and it's just the most heart wrenching video you have
Speaker 2: ever seen. I think it shocked the nation, It shocked
Speaker 2: our conscience just to see this brutal slang in public
Speaker 2: for no reason at all other than the fact that
Speaker 2: this man had been left out onto the streets after
Speaker 2: multiple multiple violent criminals.
Speaker 4: Fourteen fourteen prior crimes. So yeah, and then what the
Speaker 4: specific update going on here is this? This broke yesterday.
Speaker 4: It's been unfolding for a little while. It looks like
Speaker 4: the New York Post reports that they had while this
Speaker 4: guy's in the hospital, they did in a competency assessment,
Speaker 4: and apparently the hospital officials there, the doctors found that
Speaker 4: he is not competent to stand trial. Now, we should
Speaker 4: clarify that's not the same thing as an insanity plea.
Speaker 4: This is that if you're going to be placed on
Speaker 4: a criminal trial, you do have to be aware of
Speaker 4: what is going on. You can't put someone, for example,
Speaker 4: who's in a coma on trial. You can't put someone who,
Speaker 4: for example, you have bad Alzheimer's. You can't really go
Speaker 4: on trial if you have to have too much dementsia
Speaker 4: to go. So that's what they're apparently finding here. This
Speaker 4: guy is not aware enough, not competent enough to go
Speaker 4: on trial. Now, there has not been a judicial ruling
Speaker 4: on this yet, and this is actually where we're getting
Speaker 4: helped out because of the twenty twenty four election, because
Speaker 4: of who we have in office right now. The federal
Speaker 4: government did also federally charge to Carlos with murder and
Speaker 4: they've already put out a statement pointing out they are
Speaker 4: not subject to whatever North Carolina is doing here and
Speaker 4: they're ready to proceed with their case. So so far
Speaker 4: there has not been a judicial ruling that he's incompetent
Speaker 4: because he's actually not in state custody, so small mercies.
Speaker 2: Well, Brown's lawyers are now asking the court to push
Speaker 2: back a scheduled April thirtieth hearing for another six months,
Speaker 2: a significant delay. I don't know what it is about
Speaker 2: these defense attorneys, but they tend to ask for six
Speaker 2: month delays in trials. We're seeing that in the Charliegue,
Speaker 2: We're seeing all over and Robinson.
Speaker 4: It's a thing that does genuinely cry out for reform,
Speaker 4: because this is what frustrates America's so much. There is
Speaker 4: that line. Justice delayed is justice denied, and it gets
Speaker 4: at a truth, which is when people can't see the
Speaker 4: process playing out in a brisk way before them, they
Speaker 4: lose trust in the system and it increases the amount
Speaker 4: of ways that bad stuff can come in. So with
Speaker 4: these competency hearings, for example, I had Danny check the
Speaker 4: number of competency assessments that are conducted by courts has
Speaker 4: basically doubled since the early nineties. There are about one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty thousand per year now. And it's not
Speaker 4: that we specifically want to put people who have dementia
Speaker 4: or whatever on trial. It's that this has become just
Speaker 4: a toolkit, a tool in the big toolkit to keep
Speaker 4: these people from being accountable. So when you have these
Speaker 4: guys who are extremely unwell and just constantly attacking people, well,
Speaker 4: this time, oh he's not competent to stand trial. We
Speaker 4: had to drop the charges. And you know, don't have
Speaker 4: that many seats in these mental asylums, so let them
Speaker 4: go again, or we let them do insanity please, And
Speaker 4: then we say they've been rehabilitated enough and they're let
Speaker 4: go again. We see that happen, just endless excuses endless
Speaker 4: means for people who fundamentally they just hate civilization. They
Speaker 4: like criminals, and they want criminals back on the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and if you're noticing a theme, there's another
Speaker 2: story that is grabbing headlines, and that's out of Fort Myers, Florida.
Speaker 2: There was a bludgeoning murder that was caught on surveillance
Speaker 2: footage and it is excruciating to watch. I believe we
Speaker 2: have a censored version of this video, but it was
Speaker 2: a Haitian illegal who was caught and released at the
Speaker 2: border by the Biden admin in twenty twenty two two.
Speaker 2: An immigration judge ordered Robert Joachim deported from the US
Speaker 2: later that same year, but DHS, under the leadership of
Speaker 2: Alejandro Majorkis and Joe Biden, has shielded him from deportation
Speaker 2: by granting him temporary protected status, which expired in twenty
Speaker 2: four same thing.
Speaker 4: There's actually a perfect overlap here with what we said.
Speaker 4: These competency hearings are away for criminals to escape justice.
Speaker 4: Temporary protected status created by Congress in its wisdom decades
Speaker 4: ago for situations like, oh, well, you don't deport someone
Speaker 4: if they're flying into the middle of a hurricane or something,
Speaker 4: and now it's Haites had temporary protected status for the
Speaker 4: people who come here illegally from there for literally over
Speaker 4: a decade at this point. I think they brought it
Speaker 4: when they had that earthquake in twenty ten. It's not temporary,
Speaker 4: it's just a tool because there are people who want
Speaker 4: everyone in the world to be able to come to America,
Speaker 4: and they want to make it so even murderers like
Speaker 4: this guy are able to stay here. They are fun
Speaker 4: unda mentally. That's the footage of what happened there. Just
Speaker 4: an animal. This person should be put down, But we're
Speaker 4: going to end up spending tens of thousands, hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousands of dollars so this guy can get a free
Speaker 4: criminal justice defense. He might not even get life in prison,
Speaker 4: and he might not even get deported if they fail
Speaker 4: to give him life in prison and then they let
Speaker 4: him out afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's just an absolute brutal killing.
Speaker 2: If you could play that again and again it's censored,
Speaker 2: please forgive us. But he walks right up to this,
Speaker 2: he was I don't think we gas station clerk or whatever.
Speaker 4: He was smashing up a car and she comes back, comes.
Speaker 2: Out to confront him. He walks right at her and
Speaker 2: with full strength, he bludgeons her in the head with
Speaker 2: the hammer. She falls down, obviously unconscious, and then he
Speaker 2: strikes her six more times, six more times to the head.
Speaker 2: He's now in local custody and ICE's place to a
Speaker 2: detainer on him. They have issued a statement said this
Speaker 2: illegal alien barbarically hit this woman in the head multiple
Speaker 2: times with the hammer. This heinous murder was really the
Speaker 2: murderer was released into the country by the Bid administration.
Speaker 4: This is a choice. This is a choice within living memory.
Speaker 4: This country was capable of having that person executed within
Speaker 4: two months. This is a choice to not have that happen.
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Speaker 6: And thanks for having me. It's always good to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you. You have been out front.
Speaker 2: You have been sparring with Congresswoman Salasar out of Miami
Speaker 2: about the dignity DoD Act.
Speaker 4: Gotta say it right every time trying to run this
Speaker 4: Dignity Act scale us. You should, Brandon, I am told
Speaker 4: that you need to read the bill before you open
Speaker 4: your mouth, before you call it amnesty.
Speaker 2: I saw a tweet of something to that effect. Is
Speaker 2: this an amnesty bill or is it not? Are you
Speaker 2: being hyperbolic?
Speaker 6: No, this is an amnesty bill, plain and simple. Just
Speaker 6: ask yourself, what does the bill do? The day of
Speaker 6: this bill? If this bill is enacted. The day it's enacted,
Speaker 6: what happens twelve million roughly twelve million illegal aliens who
Speaker 6: are in the country are given legal status. If that's
Speaker 6: not amnesty, I don't know what is. And you can
Speaker 6: use whatever kind of you know, vague generalizations or semantic
Speaker 6: obfuscation you want. That's but that's amnesty. And that's exactly
Speaker 6: what the American people do not want. That's why they
Speaker 6: gave Republicans a trifecta. It's why President Trump got the
Speaker 6: popular vote last election for so for us to do this,
Speaker 6: which we're not, by the way, I'm going to make
Speaker 6: sure that we don't, but for if we went down
Speaker 6: this road, it would constitute the biggest political betrayal of
Speaker 6: the American people in history. I think it would rip
Speaker 6: apart the Republican Party, and candidly that we would deserve
Speaker 6: to see our party ripped apart if we went forward
Speaker 6: with this bill.
Speaker 2: You know what's so frustrating as well, Brandon, is it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we've got this, you know, conflict in Iran that's happening.
Speaker 2: Our eyes are directed over there as we're trying to
Speaker 2: get a ceasefire. I think everybody wants us to focus
Speaker 2: back domestically, we take our eye off the ball for
Speaker 2: one second, one second, instead of passing to Save America Act,
Speaker 2: instead of getting any of this these reforms done domestically,
Speaker 2: a bunch of Rhinos go and you know, link arms
Speaker 2: with a bunch of Democrats and try and shove amnesty
Speaker 2: down our throats. And I'm gonna have a guest next
Speaker 2: hour that's gonna talk about some of this. So what's
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes? Who's pushing this? But there's
Speaker 2: big ag, there's big hospitality. It's like all the usual
Speaker 2: players trying to push this through. And you got to
Speaker 2: ask yourself, like, why don't we get what we want?
Speaker 2: Instead they're trying to give us stuff we didn't want,
Speaker 2: we didn't ask for, we didn't vote for Why is
Speaker 2: it so powerful? Why are these lobbies so powerful to
Speaker 2: push this unpopular garbage down our throats where we're thinking
Speaker 2: about Iran?
Speaker 6: Well that's the question. And you know what's really insane
Speaker 6: about this, I think is you know, if you go
Speaker 6: back to twenty fifteen, President Trump comes on the scene,
Speaker 6: you know, he starts talking about we ought to build
Speaker 6: a wall, and so many people in the political establishment,
Speaker 6: all on the left and some on the right, said
Speaker 6: that he was a racist and that's not the America
Speaker 6: I love, and completely denounced him. But the American people
Speaker 6: heard that message and it entirely resonated with them. They said,
Speaker 6: you know what I actually do want politicians in Washington
Speaker 6: who were going to stand up for us, who are
Speaker 6: going to secure the border and to port illegal alien
Speaker 6: so that I can have my country back. And now,
Speaker 6: you know, that was over ten years ago. We ought
Speaker 6: to listen to that. Whenever voters give us a mandate,
Speaker 6: we ought to actually follow through and do what we
Speaker 6: said we were going to do on the campaign trail.
Speaker 6: But of course, these these big agribusiness or other lobbyists
Speaker 6: don't like that, and it's really simple. They obviously they
Speaker 6: want cheap labor. They want amnesty, They want illegal aliens
Speaker 6: in the country because for them, that's that's bigger profit margins.
Speaker 6: Whenever you suppress American wages or whenever you're able to
Speaker 6: replace more expensive American workers with cheaper illegal aliens or
Speaker 6: other foreigners, that increases their profit margins. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: really really simple for them. But the you know, going
Speaker 6: back to the Dignity Act here, you know, it's not
Speaker 6: just that the twelve million illegal aliens who are given
Speaker 6: amnesty immediately. This act would allow illegal aliens who have
Speaker 6: previously been deported to be brought back into the country
Speaker 6: and be given legal status. It on top of that,
Speaker 6: it effectively stops the president from deporting anybody out of
Speaker 6: the country because whenever an illegal alien is apprehended, all
Speaker 6: they have to do is say I've been in the
Speaker 6: US for longer than five years. Boom, they can't be
Speaker 6: afforded for at least two years. I mean, this is
Speaker 6: this is a mass migration bill. It is exactly what
Speaker 6: the American people rejected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bingo, I think that's I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: same point Charlie made when we caught wind of this
Speaker 2: last year, is that you basically, I mean the record
Speaker 2: keeping garbage right on. When some of these people came over,
Speaker 2: all they have to do is say, oh, I actually came,
Speaker 2: you know, before a certain date, and we can't prove it,
Speaker 2: and then they get rubber stamped amnesty, and so I
Speaker 2: think it's garbage. I want to play a clip for
Speaker 2: you and get your reaction. This was actually last night.
Speaker 2: Lor Ingram, I think, did a phenomenal job cross examining
Speaker 2: Mike Lawler from New York. He's a Republican. You know
Speaker 2: they are friends. Lor Ingram and Mike Lawler are friends.
Speaker 2: I think that's noteworthy because she didn't hold back even
Speaker 2: though they're friends. Okay, let's play Sop. Thirteen.
Speaker 7: I don't know what shadows you're looking at, but they're
Speaker 7: not in the shadows.
Speaker 3: They're working in restaurants. Some are others.
Speaker 7: Are fraud in California. But this idea, and that's why
Speaker 7: this thing given amnesty.
Speaker 3: They're not already given amnesty. Why do you come on
Speaker 3: television and.
Speaker 8: Say that criminal aliens one should be removed from this
Speaker 8: country period, and the bill provides for that. I don't
Speaker 8: want anyone getting a waiver. I don't want anyone getting
Speaker 8: a free passion the legislation. If you have committed a legislation,
Speaker 8: a simple.
Speaker 7: Question, please tell my audience, how does an immigration officer
Speaker 7: determine continuous presence?
Speaker 8: If they cannot prove continuous presence, they wouldn't qualify for this.
Speaker 7: And I can't imagine Democrat immigration officers under a Democrat
Speaker 7: president in the future was going to hold the strict
Speaker 7: you know, we're not going to let any criminals in.
Speaker 2: Man. She she went for it.
Speaker 4: Even with the continuous presence. I believe there's parts of
Speaker 4: this bill that literally will allow people who are previously
Speaker 4: deported to return.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you react to that clip.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that. Mike Lawler is a friend of mine.
Speaker 6: So is Maria Salazar. By the way, they're friends and
Speaker 6: their colleagues. They're just wrong on this and they're you know,
Speaker 6: and I'm glad to see that the reality of this
Speaker 6: bill is being made more and more clear to the
Speaker 6: American people because you hear language, hear people saying things
Speaker 6: like the current state of affairs is amnesty because these
Speaker 6: people are living in the shadows and nothing is happening.
Speaker 6: That is just blatantly not true. The current state of
Speaker 6: affairs is that if you're an illegal alien in the
Speaker 6: United States, you are subject to deportation, and if you're caught,
Speaker 6: you're going to be deported out of the country. What
Speaker 6: this bill does is stops those deportations from happening. So
Speaker 6: this is by any standard in amnesty. But we have
Speaker 6: to be straightforward about this, have to be straightforward about
Speaker 6: the fact that this bill does not have any serious
Speaker 6: vetting requirements. This bill does not ensure that criminal illegal
Speaker 6: aliens are taken out of the country, or that we
Speaker 6: can actually ensure the people who are given amnesty should
Speaker 6: be in our country. There's no practical way to that
Speaker 6: twelve million people in a short period of time. So
Speaker 6: none of that stuff is true. But we know that
Speaker 6: on the surface that anything that is amnesty, we ought
Speaker 6: to stay away from it. It's you know, at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, it's really that simple.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to give you an example of why
Speaker 2: some of this. Anytime we give an inch that are
Speaker 2: going to take a mile and it's going to screw
Speaker 2: us up. And so here's a Salvadorian MS thirteen terrorist
Speaker 2: and he's an international fugitive. This is according to the
Speaker 2: US Customs, Immigration and Customs Enforcement Danny Granados Garcia. He's
Speaker 2: wanted in his home country for murdering a pastor allegedly.
Speaker 2: This guy is an example of we wouldn't deport him
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have a rap sheet in this country.
Speaker 2: We don't know when he necessarily got here, but he's
Speaker 2: wanted for murder in his home country. Right, So this
Speaker 2: is the semantics anytime you give these little carve outs
Speaker 2: that what are we supposed to do with this? No,
Speaker 2: you got to give Ice and Customs and Border Patrol
Speaker 2: full leeway to get them all out. You're all on
Speaker 2: the board. If you are an illegal here, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get you out. This guy's a murderer in his home country,
Speaker 2: but he hasn't committed a crime here. And this is
Speaker 2: the types of people that they want us to just
Speaker 2: ignore out of some misplaced sense of compassion. Meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 2: excuse me. Meanwhile, we're seeing Haitians in Florida, you know,
Speaker 2: just bludgeon gas station clerks. This is none of this
Speaker 2: should be happening if we had the will to do it.
Speaker 2: And Randon, Congressman, I think you are one of the
Speaker 2: few that has just the sane, consistent drumbeat voice on
Speaker 2: this stuff, and it's so important that you're out front
Speaker 2: doing this. So final forty five seconds to you on
Speaker 2: this issue.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that there's nothing compassionate about open borders, and
Speaker 6: there's nothing dignified about giving illegal aliens amnesty. The people
Speaker 6: whose dignity we should be concerned about are the American
Speaker 6: citizens whose jobs are being take and whose wages are
Speaker 6: being suppressed, whose communities are being transformed, whose children schools
Speaker 6: are now flooded with fentanyl, who are trying to take
Speaker 6: their kids to soccer practice, and are seeing illegal aliens
Speaker 6: driving eighteen wheelers on their streets that are now more dangerous.
Speaker 6: Those are the people that we should be looking out for.
Speaker 6: Those are people, by the way, that we as elected representatives,
Speaker 6: whose interests we actually represent, not illegal aliens. There's nothing
Speaker 6: compassionate about open borders, there's nothing compassionate about amnesty, and
Speaker 6: we ought to return to first principles about who we represent,
Speaker 6: and that's the American citizen.
Speaker 2: It's not no. Not only is it not compassionate, it's
Speaker 2: cruelty to Americans. Yep, Congressmen, well done on this. Keep
Speaker 2: charging you know. I don't want to cause you any problems,
Speaker 2: but I could see a Senate run in your future
Speaker 2: one day. I don't want to cause any I know
Speaker 2: it gets very territoriled down there. I'm just saying, you
Speaker 2: know I would be let's.
Speaker 6: Kill this amnesty bill before we think about it.
Speaker 2: All right, I don't cause you problems, brother, all right?
Speaker 2: Brandon gil from Texas's twenty six congressional district. Thank you, sir,
Speaker 2: keep up the good work.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: All right, we have another country we got to turn
Speaker 2: our attention to. However, and there is a new acronym
Speaker 2: that that is apparently going around.
Speaker 4: Hold on, it is mm hold on, hold on, don't
Speaker 4: say we have to let them play the clips letters.
Speaker 4: We have to let them play the car We have
Speaker 4: rect We love making fun of him. So as a
Speaker 4: pastime is it here? It's eleven.
Speaker 9: When the budget was released, I was shocked to find
Speaker 9: out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting seven billion dollars
Speaker 9: between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations. They provided
Speaker 9: zero dollars to deal with the ongoing genocide of mm
Speaker 9: I w G two s l G B t q
Speaker 9: q I A plus. This is abhorrent, This is callous.
Speaker 9: Rates of violence are increasing and what is the Prime
Speaker 9: Minister doing? He is turning a blind eye on this violence.
Speaker 4: The best part was how smoothly it came out. That
Speaker 4: is a person who uses that term all the time.
Speaker 4: What it means, I don't, I can't know. You know
Speaker 4: what's embarrassing. You know what's embarrassing. You don't need to
Speaker 4: read what it means, because I know what it means
Speaker 4: just from hearing it.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 4: But here's what it actually means. No, no, but I
Speaker 4: want I know what it means so I can recite it.
Speaker 4: That's I need to like prove myself here.
Speaker 2: So he.
Speaker 4: Just going off memory. So it starts with M M
Speaker 4: I WG. So that all what's weird is it's the
Speaker 4: it's the gay acronym. But it's actually like how to
Speaker 4: put this, it's not actually the case of it's missing
Speaker 4: and murdered Indigenous women and girls. And so this is
Speaker 4: a whole thing in Canada where they've made a big
Speaker 4: cause that First Nations, Inuit, Native Americans basically, but in Canada, uh,
Speaker 4: they're more likely to be missing and they're more likely
Speaker 4: to be murdered. The reason for this is they are
Speaker 4: in relationships with First Nations and Inuit men, and there's
Speaker 4: they commit more domestic violence per capita, more murders per capita.
Speaker 4: They unfortunately it's a community with a lot of problems,
Speaker 4: similar to what you'd see in the United States, and
Speaker 4: so that's why. But in Canada you're required by lots
Speaker 4: also punish people less for crimes if they're First Nations
Speaker 4: or Black for example. So they're literally more likely to
Speaker 4: be victimized because of the laws Canada has like that
Speaker 4: is what is going on here, so they go from there.
Speaker 4: Then they have two S that means two spirit. This
Speaker 4: is a made up thing from about nineteen ninety ninety
Speaker 4: one where they just made it up. Or it's basically
Speaker 4: you're an Indian, a First Nations person and also gay.
Speaker 4: That is what it is. They just made up a
Speaker 4: new category for being gay. But if you're in that group,
Speaker 4: then you should know LGBT, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans. Then
Speaker 4: QQ that is Q queer and questioning, so queer is
Speaker 4: sort of gay, but catch all lots of different things.
Speaker 4: Questioning you're not sure?
Speaker 2: Do they have I in there?
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's inter sex, then A and then A
Speaker 4: is allies and then you still got to have plus
Speaker 4: us because this is not all consuming. We might add
Speaker 4: new letters to it later. So that is the full
Speaker 4: explanation of that acronym. I spent time in a university
Speaker 4: where I had to learn all of this amazing.
Speaker 2: So apparently murdered is now a queer identity, which is
Speaker 2: you know, why not? I mean, we should just throw
Speaker 2: in every other intersectional group that we can in this.
Speaker 2: Can we play the clip one more time? I just
Speaker 2: want to hear her, that's too just off put it off.
Speaker 2: After that, Ye yeah, play the play the side again.
Speaker 9: When the budget was released, I was shocked to find
Speaker 9: out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting seven billion dollars
Speaker 9: between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations. They provided
Speaker 9: zero dollars to deal with the ongoing genocide of mm
Speaker 9: I w G two s l g b t q
Speaker 9: q I A plus.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's commitment, ruthless, just oh crushes it, okay,
Speaker 4: So proud of her.
Speaker 2: So not only can Canada not beat us in hockey,
Speaker 2: the one sport they're supposed to and they, by the way,
Speaker 2: they also lost the World Series to the Dodgers, which
Speaker 2: I'm still still happy about, very happy about it. They
Speaker 2: are suiciding themselves on purpose, and they have government funds
Speaker 2: for that. But now they are upset that m m
Speaker 2: I w q G two's l g b t q
Speaker 2: q I A plus funding has been cut by Carney.
Speaker 4: M M i w G two s l g b
Speaker 4: t q q q I A plus. I think I
Speaker 4: got I think I got an extra Q in there
Speaker 4: on q q q q q q. What are your
Speaker 4: thoughts and us your thoughts about Canada. Are you glad,
Speaker 4: especially if your first DA what's it like, because yeah,
Speaker 4: it's easy to joke about this, but you know, to
Speaker 4: be serious for a moment. Canada is this road not
Speaker 4: taken where they've kind of kept down the call it
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty vibe, the Obama vibe, like maximally live
Speaker 4: on everything. So stuff that is at least contested here
Speaker 4: in the US full born in Canada. So they have
Speaker 4: maximum assistant suicide. They have state mandated discrimination in criminal punishments.
Speaker 4: They allow you to discriminate based on race and sex
Speaker 4: for a job. I saw that at one of their universities.
Speaker 4: They're hiring for a forestry professor. But the person being
Speaker 4: hired has to be disabled. You must be a disabled
Speaker 4: person or identify as a disabled person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I was going to say. I
Speaker 2: actually was talking to a gentleman, and so it's like
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four never happened in Canada. But the I
Speaker 2: was talking to a gentleman that was you know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about all the fracturing that's going on and the
Speaker 2: movement and the coalition. He just was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: these are the golden years. I'm telling you this is
Speaker 2: a golden age. I was like, why is that?
Speaker 4: He said, well, listen, my company I almost got delisted
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Speaker 4: a gay or a man or a woman on my board.
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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to
Speaker 2: see my friend you as well. Guys.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, listen, Uh, I am told I'm credibly told
Speaker 2: Rich that we're not allowed to say mass deportations anymore.
Speaker 2: It's out, it's it's what's in mass deportations is out.
Speaker 2: Digny Dodd is in.
Speaker 4: Amnesty is in worst of the worst, worse the worst.
Speaker 2: You know. So, okay, what am I missing here? I'll
Speaker 2: give the audience a little uh, a little precursor. We uh,
Speaker 2: we've been texting, and you told me there's quite the
Speaker 2: quite the little uh backstory here.
Speaker 4: So the floor is yours, Rich, tell us what you know.
Speaker 3: Indeed, so there isn't this isn't new, right, Amnesty is
Speaker 3: never dead, and I think the right knows that the
Speaker 3: Republican base voters know that amnesty is never dead. Amnesty
Speaker 3: is always right around the corner, and you always have
Speaker 3: to guard against it because a lot of Republican donors
Speaker 3: want amnesty, right, And I argued, when we saw these
Speaker 3: protests going on against ICE, you're not going to see
Speaker 3: any investigations into who organizes these protests because I think
Speaker 3: you'd be a little bit surprised by some of the
Speaker 3: people that are okay with them. And this is a backstory,
Speaker 3: all right. So I just wanted to say that as
Speaker 3: a preface, Andrew, but look last year, right, just to
Speaker 3: dive right into this last year, I awong with some
Speaker 3: other pollsters that are considered you know, credible by MAGA.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: We're asked to collaborate on a project that was sold
Speaker 3: initially as a way that if there could be a
Speaker 3: grand bargain, what are the deal breakers with MAGA voters
Speaker 3: and what would you have to do? And this included
Speaker 3: everything you just said and went over. You can't use
Speaker 3: words like that with MAGA, right, you know that, So
Speaker 3: how could it be sold? Et cetera, et cetera. I
Speaker 3: didn't even want to sign on to it, Andrew, and
Speaker 3: unless I was given an explicit an explicit promise, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it, that this will not be
Speaker 3: misrepresented to the president with that without without my presence, right,
Speaker 3: And that's what I was concerned. What happened to the product?
Speaker 6: We did.
Speaker 3: A huge national study. We did, I want to say
Speaker 3: it had to be at least a dozen states, at least.
Speaker 3: I actually think it was more like sixteen eighteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it may have been. I'm not sure how many some
Speaker 3: of the others had it. It is at least sixteen
Speaker 3: just judging from what I know people did. And then
Speaker 3: focus groups, of course, and we did this in not
Speaker 3: just battleground states. It had to be more You're right,
Speaker 3: it was this battleground adjacent. One of them was Maine.
Speaker 3: For crying out loud, right, because why we were concerned
Speaker 3: about the second Congressional district. Donald Trump performs there in
Speaker 3: a way that other Republicans do not because of Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's base, his coalition, which is not the Republican coalition.
Speaker 3: They're two totally different things, and unfortunately, is what people
Speaker 3: should know. I mean, unfortunately, that's what the donors who paid,
Speaker 3: you know, the who paid donor who paid for the project,
Speaker 3: really wanted, which is why I didn't want to sign
Speaker 3: on to it without getting that guarantee. I got that guarantee.
Speaker 3: I warned the Vice President that they would probably try
Speaker 3: to go behind my back and sell it to him
Speaker 3: without completely misinterpreting what it said, completely misreading the data,
Speaker 3: or honestly, let's be real, intentionally obfuscating what it said.
Speaker 3: And the report that we gave was filled with caveats,
Speaker 3: filled with nuances, and to make a very long story short,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what they did. So they wanted the names,
Speaker 3: they wanted the credibility, and they wanted the stamps of
Speaker 3: all the guys like me who polled well in the
Speaker 3: TRUMPERA and know, the Magna Coalition, but they did not
Speaker 3: want guys like me, and not just me, but others
Speaker 3: you know, who are more reliable to tell the truth,
Speaker 3: to convey to the president what it actually meant. So
Speaker 3: they waltsoed there and tried to sell it to him.
Speaker 3: And this is where we are now.
Speaker 2: To sum it up, you're saying that there was a
Speaker 2: moneyed individual that basically wanted a result and when you
Speaker 2: didn't deliver the results because actually mass deportations are more
Speaker 2: popular than I guess this individual wanted them to be,
Speaker 2: or at least there was nuance in the way the
Speaker 2: polling was actually the results you got, you then got
Speaker 2: cut out of the process.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you despite having a guarantee?
Speaker 2: This is this is why, this is why you need
Speaker 2: to be very suspicious about polling friends out in the audience. So, okay,
Speaker 2: you sent me a list of three things that you
Speaker 2: thought that the polling actually revealed, and one of them
Speaker 2: has to do with masks. One of them is with
Speaker 2: the FBI and what constitutes crimes that will get you
Speaker 2: punished if you get in the way of ice officers. Okay,
Speaker 2: so why don't you walk us through your three points?
Speaker 3: So we and it's important to know how early this was.
Speaker 3: We identified before it became you know, social media sensation,
Speaker 3: before big media started to run with this. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: had left wing media talking about Ice and using They
Speaker 3: at that time had the Ice narrative basically all to themselves.
Speaker 3: We were wrapped up and very busy with other things
Speaker 3: like Operation Midnight Hammer. I mean, that's how long ago
Speaker 3: this was when they started this. Yeah, and we basically
Speaker 3: warned them that, look, Ice is having an image issue.
Speaker 3: So there are a couple of things you have to
Speaker 3: do to address it, because you can't cave on mass deportations.
Speaker 3: If you do, your base is going to be pissed.
Speaker 3: And by the way, there's no reason to because the
Speaker 3: public still supports it. One of them and you know,
Speaker 3: Blake and I have talked about this before on the show.
Speaker 3: Masks it was a big deal. They were toxic at
Speaker 3: that point, and when you look at how people were
Speaker 3: getting docks in the first place, it really wasn't required
Speaker 3: to keep these masks on. Either way, it didn't matter.
Speaker 3: We lost the public debates so badly there was no
Speaker 3: coming back from it. We had to get rid of
Speaker 3: the masks. Second is that they did not view ICE
Speaker 3: as professional as like the FBI, even the DA for
Speaker 3: that matter, and they wanted the FBI to come in
Speaker 3: and have control over the resting environment of this way,
Speaker 3: we didn't have these incidents that we kept having, which
Speaker 3: ultimately blew up into shootings right later. And that's right.
Speaker 3: And the third thing was a confusion over what constitutes
Speaker 3: these crimes, because we were talking to and this wasn't
Speaker 3: quite core based MAGA, but you know Trump coalition voters saying,
Speaker 3: you know, we're not sure what constitutes a crime that
Speaker 3: will end you up on this list. And while we
Speaker 3: do support mass deportations, we would rather see the really
Speaker 3: bad people go. And they weren't even saying that the
Speaker 3: Trump administration wasn't doing it. And what they were saying
Speaker 3: was that there was just no information available. You have
Speaker 3: MSNBC constantly running stories about how this one didn't pay
Speaker 3: a parking ticket, so they ripped the baby out of
Speaker 3: her hand and threw her into a cage and sent
Speaker 3: her on her way. They wanted this laid out like, no,
Speaker 3: this is what we do, this is what you know,
Speaker 3: this is the priority list of crimes. Those three things
Speaker 3: simply alone, Andrew would have gone a very long way
Speaker 3: in avoiding what essentially was a political catastrophe. And it
Speaker 3: ended up that way because by the time we were done,
Speaker 3: this was a long term project. By the time we
Speaker 3: were done, ICE was less popular than the FBI. There
Speaker 3: were more people who wanted to abolish ICE than who
Speaker 3: wanted to abolish the FBI. And it was stunning to me.
Speaker 3: Nobody listened, nobody wanted to hear it, because it dawned
Speaker 3: on me. The donors don't care. The donors want amnesty,
Speaker 3: so they don't care if ICE gets defunded. That's the truth,
Speaker 3: and that is the hard, terrible truth. And meanwhile, we
Speaker 3: have an FBI who waged two coups andrew against the
Speaker 3: sitting president and they were more popular than ICE.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so go through your points again. What you
Speaker 2: found when you actually pulled this issue was got to
Speaker 2: get rid of the masks, the mask optically toxic. Listen,
Speaker 2: we all want our ICE agents to be safe. We
Speaker 2: don't want them to be targeted, but they optically target toxic. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was true. Second point, it was used the FBI
Speaker 2: on the arresting and enforcement aspect of these rates. So
Speaker 2: if you get in the way, yes, and impede ice
Speaker 2: agents doing their job. The FBI would come in and
Speaker 2: be the enforcement mechanism, and then three clearly define what
Speaker 2: constitutes crimes that would land you in jail in prison. Okay,
Speaker 2: but I think that's really really clear. Rich. I want
Speaker 2: to zero in on something here because I think it's
Speaker 2: really important, and that is the donor element that we
Speaker 2: know that big ag, we know, the big hospitality. We
Speaker 2: know these are the industries that tend to often donate
Speaker 2: to Republican causes campaigns, and they're the most hungry for
Speaker 2: cheap labor. It's very frustrating. And then I noticed something
Speaker 2: when I was looking at this Dignidad Act, the production
Speaker 2: value of it. I'm going to play this clipping and
Speaker 2: we're going to tie these two pieces together. SOT sixteen.
Speaker 3: What does the word dignity mean to you? To me,
Speaker 3: it means not having to live in the shadows.
Speaker 11: It means being proud to contribute to the economy and
Speaker 11: be respected for it. That's what ten million illegal immigrants deserve.
Speaker 11: Let them work to legally and generate over one hundred
Speaker 11: billion dollars in revenue for a treasury, no path to citizenship,
Speaker 11: no right to vote in our elections and no access
Speaker 11: to federal programs. It's called the Dignity Act, where they
Speaker 11: can work and live without fear.
Speaker 3: Is the right thing to do? Is the Christian thing
Speaker 3: to do? Is the American thing to do. So let's
Speaker 3: join the Christian thing to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you love the Bible, don't you. You have to
Speaker 4: get rid of your country the Bible.
Speaker 2: Saying that I got super triggered what I watched that
Speaker 2: the first time with that line too.
Speaker 4: It's the Christian thing to do. It's the American thing
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 2: So no, okay, enforcing your laws and looking out for
Speaker 2: the people of this country is actually our Christian duty
Speaker 2: to our fellow citizens. That's the first responsibility of this country.
Speaker 2: But you notice the production value there, the music and
Speaker 2: the like multi angles and the sharp lighting. There's money
Speaker 2: behind this stuff, and it's crazy that we take our
Speaker 2: eye off the ball for one second and we're focused
Speaker 2: on a seat, fire and iron or whatever. Instantly they've
Speaker 2: got these things in the hopper and you're getting pushed
Speaker 2: out when you're doing polling rich to reveal that, hey, actually,
Speaker 2: mass deportations is still popular. We just have to change
Speaker 2: some messaging things we lost on the mass things. We
Speaker 2: got to like change the way we enforce it at
Speaker 2: some clarity. And meanwhile, so I we gotta fit. I
Speaker 2: know that you can't tell us, but I have some
Speaker 2: guests guesses of who you might have been working with.
Speaker 2: And again I go back to big ag and I
Speaker 2: go back to big hospitality. Yeah you got that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so I figured as much. So I know you can't
Speaker 2: tell us because of your non disclosures and all this
Speaker 2: stuff for rich, but but like what the vibe in
Speaker 2: that room. So you're in a room with a big
Speaker 2: money guy that's wanting to get an answer, wants to
Speaker 2: engineer an answer from your polling, what tell us like
Speaker 2: it give us the reality of this donor class and
Speaker 2: how hungry they are for this cheap labor.
Speaker 3: It was a constant fight. You know, if you go
Speaker 3: to a doctor, I don't care how much money you have.
Speaker 3: If you go to a doctor and there's something seriously
Speaker 3: wrong with you, I mean it's a serious issue. Are
Speaker 3: you going to second guess everything the doctor tells you?
Speaker 3: Or are you going to let the doctor do his
Speaker 3: job and be professional and get the best outcome or
Speaker 3: the right outcome for you. That's not how it works
Speaker 3: in my industry. It's constant fighting with the wording of
Speaker 3: the question, which you know, as upholster with integrity is
Speaker 3: a leading question. It's constantly how are the graphic's going
Speaker 3: to be presented to the president? Can we possibly? Let
Speaker 3: me give you an example, Andrew, if you say, do
Speaker 3: you support this? And the Trump base says no, and
Speaker 3: then you give them a bunch of riders in a
Speaker 3: series of questions to try to get them to sign on,
Speaker 3: Well what about if it doesn't include anybody who came
Speaker 3: over during the Biden era, which is a deal breaker
Speaker 3: by the way, and then you get a few more
Speaker 3: people on board. It's constantly well, can't we just combine
Speaker 3: those two together and say that that's the total to
Speaker 3: give to the president. Well, no, we can't, because that
Speaker 3: that total includes specific riders that were also pulled because
Speaker 3: initially they told you know, this is the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff I'm talking about. So it's the President's very visual
Speaker 3: when you give him something a product like that. He
Speaker 3: wants to see the numbers. He wants to see the
Speaker 3: red right because the Republicans are read. He wants to
Speaker 3: see which one's what, and that's it. He doesn't want
Speaker 3: to dive down and look and see that it takes
Speaker 3: three four, five specific proposals, different language assigned to it,
Speaker 3: and how you sell it. They don't want to deliver
Speaker 3: that to him. They want to mash it all together
Speaker 3: and present to the president as you know what, this
Speaker 3: only leaves like ten percent of your base and that's nothing. Well,
Speaker 3: first of all, ten percent is the end of you
Speaker 3: as a coalition. It's not nothing. Secondly, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: It's dishonest, but is a lot of money behind it, Andrew,
Speaker 3: and you want to get hired again. So there are
Speaker 3: very few people who are like me who will spend
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve screaming about how the product looks, you know,
Speaker 3: or by the way which carried all through the New
Speaker 3: Year's celebrations, this was a long term thing. Very very
Speaker 3: very few pollsters we'll push back. They'll just say, let's
Speaker 3: get them what he wants. I understand. There's the wink,
Speaker 3: there's the nod. I want the money.
Speaker 2: That's so infuriating, and it is on our side, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: and the grift is real. And so I just want
Speaker 2: everybody to be very cautious when you see poles that
Speaker 2: seem too good to be true because they probably are false. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, so this reminds me of the one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of MAGA supports this.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, speaking to another friend of mine who
Speaker 4: works adjacent to poll In, and he talked about the
Speaker 4: fact just sort of the way you can use poles
Speaker 4: to set things up, and he told me, we commission
Speaker 4: poles and I know not what ninety percent of them
Speaker 4: are going to say before the results even come out,
Speaker 4: but it's that you just you create these poles so
Speaker 4: that you can convince people to do what they already
Speaker 4: want to do, or convince them to do what you
Speaker 4: know you want them to do. You can just set
Speaker 4: everything up. So it's there's some poles that provide information,
Speaker 4: but there's arguably a lot more polls that are just
Speaker 4: used to manipulate.
Speaker 2: And you know was given If he was given the
Speaker 2: right information, we would get better policies. And that's why
Speaker 2: it's so critical that we and you rich expose how
Speaker 2: this grift game works. All right, I want to pivot
Speaker 2: just really quick, Okay, if you have a final thought
Speaker 2: on that. That'side I just.
Speaker 3: Was going to say, you know what drives me nuts
Speaker 3: about this was this idea like, well, let's not burden
Speaker 3: the president with the minutia, the specifics, the caveat the nuances.
Speaker 3: Are you saying the president's a stupid man. He's a
Speaker 3: smart guy. Give me ten minutes to explain this to
Speaker 3: him correctly.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: So it's it's insulting, and we all know what it is.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep We're gonna keep saying mass deportations because
Speaker 2: guess what, that's what the people want. It is, this
Speaker 2: is America. What the people want, the people get. Just
Speaker 2: sell it differently. You got to have a messaging, you know,
Speaker 2: strategy that helps move it along. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: what Bovino was saying. He saying, look look at what
Speaker 2: we did in Louisiana, in New Orleans, look at what
Speaker 2: we did even in la Look what we did in
Speaker 2: all these places where we had the messaging out front.
Speaker 2: We had a strategy, they executed the strategy. Everything went
Speaker 2: to crap. In Minneapolis, we get it. I mean that
Speaker 2: that was a title wave in a political disaster. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that we don't want mass deportations. Still,
Speaker 2: you just have to do it in a way that
Speaker 2: you know, we want commas, not drama. We don't want
Speaker 2: the drama, keep the ice agents off the headlines, but
Speaker 2: we want master deportations go ahead.
Speaker 4: But I wonder thirty seconds, but would it be a
Speaker 4: workable approach if you said if you went around saying, oh,
Speaker 4: we're getting the worst of the worst, and then you
Speaker 4: just started targeting business after business that's employing people illegally,
Speaker 4: because I think there's a lot of more sympathy when
Speaker 4: you go after, oh, this business was employing all illegal
Speaker 4: workers and you go smear the business owner instead of
Speaker 4: twenty seconds, Rich, Well.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, I can't believe in twenty
Speaker 3: seconds left and we got to that because that was
Speaker 3: another big sticking point. They had no sympathies for big
Speaker 3: business yet guess who were the big donors. So of
Speaker 3: course we couldn't bring that up either. That's another I
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that, Blake, because that was
Speaker 3: a fight that me and one other polster had with
Speaker 3: everybody else, like this is the obvious path to take.
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Speaker 2: now to the show is our dear friend Libby Emmons.
Speaker 2: She's the editor in chief of the Post Millennial and
Speaker 2: Human Events. We've got lots to go over with Libby.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, Libby, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you too. Nice to see you, guys.
Speaker 2: It's great to see you. So I saw this clip
Speaker 2: out of Virginia. So Abigail span Berger. She's been governor
Speaker 2: of Virginia for about twelve weeks now, and apparently her
Speaker 2: poll numbers are slumping. And she got asked about this
Speaker 2: and it was just too delicious. We had to play
Speaker 2: at st six.
Speaker 5: There was a pull up that had your numbers a
Speaker 5: little unfavorable on your numbers?
Speaker 3: What do you attribute that to you?
Speaker 10: I would say, if everybody hated me, why is everybody
Speaker 10: putting my face.
Speaker 3: On their mailers for the referendum?
Speaker 6: Would be question number one.
Speaker 2: Smirk, awkward, smile, uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Good, she's a very she's like a skin walker or something.
Speaker 4: You get this thing. She's not. It's not well, don't
Speaker 4: ever he met Virginia. So it creeps me out.
Speaker 2: Here's the details on the poll. We have another shot
Speaker 2: here for you, Libby, so we to be fair. She's
Speaker 2: about fifty to fifty, all right, but when you compare
Speaker 2: it to past governors of Virginia at this state, she's
Speaker 2: not doing so good. Okay. Top fifteen.
Speaker 13: Glenn Youngkin had great approval ratings. But look at her.
Speaker 13: She's three months in and her approval rating is almost
Speaker 13: as what it is for disapproval. About fifty percent like her,
Speaker 13: in fifty percent don't like her. But if you compare
Speaker 13: that to approval ratings for past governors, nobody else was
Speaker 13: where she was at this point in their candidacy or
Speaker 13: in their governorship. And so she was asked about this
Speaker 13: yesterday and she defended it.
Speaker 2: So she's not doing well because she ran as a
Speaker 2: moderate and she's gone full commie over in Virginia. Your take,
Speaker 2: Libya Evans.
Speaker 12: Yeah, she sure has.
Speaker 10: This is something I've talked to some of our staffers
Speaker 10: at the Post Millennial who live in Virginia about this,
Speaker 10: and they say that they are so sick of all
Speaker 10: of this jerrymandering stuff.
Speaker 12: That she had previously said that she.
Speaker 10: Would not back jerrymandering in the state of Virginia and
Speaker 10: now she's going full force on that.
Speaker 12: They're also telling me that there have been a number of.
Speaker 10: Illegal immigrant murders in the state just since she's taken office.
Speaker 10: We saw an absolutely brutal murder in Fairfax, Virginia of
Speaker 10: a mom who was just at a bus stop and
Speaker 10: this psychopathic illegal immigrant came off the bus and stabbed
Speaker 10: her to death.
Speaker 12: Absolutely horrifying.
Speaker 10: And these are people who have no business in the country,
Speaker 10: and in many cases are people who have a criminal
Speaker 10: record in the state and should not be in the state.
Speaker 10: They should not be in the country, and they certainly
Speaker 10: shouldn't be going around stabbing women.
Speaker 12: There's also so she's also reversed course on the cooperation.
Speaker 10: Of Virginia police with ICE, So that's an issue as well,
Speaker 10: especially when you consider these illegal immigrant murders. So I
Speaker 10: think people are looking around and they're saying, well, you know,
Speaker 10: we elected this woman who said she was going to
Speaker 10: be a moderate, and instead she is a far left,
Speaker 10: crazy progressive, and we're looking at a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 10: So while Democrats for the most part continue to support her,
Speaker 10: she's not making any inroads with Republicans in the state,
Speaker 10: and that's going to.
Speaker 3: Be a problem well.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the mailers that her face is
Speaker 2: being plastered on, a lot of those are against the
Speaker 2: redistricting effort that they're leading. So we have to hit that.
Speaker 4: We're hitting this really hard because if you're in Virginia,
Speaker 4: the final vote is next week. Next week Tuesday. I
Speaker 4: believe we get the results Virginia's redistricting. They're trying to
Speaker 4: take it from a pretty even house six ten to one,
Speaker 4: they're trying to make it ten Democrats one Republican. This
Speaker 4: very easily could decide the House next fall either way.
Speaker 4: Five seats is a ton. This matters a lot. And
Speaker 4: I know we lost that. Virginia's race wasn't super close
Speaker 4: last fall, but the polling shows this is very close.
Speaker 4: There have only been three polls on it. One is
Speaker 4: yes up by eight, one is no up by eight,
Speaker 4: one is yes up by five. So right there. Not
Speaker 4: only that, if you get into the cross tabs, the
Speaker 4: highest propensity voters are actually the most skeptical about it.
Speaker 4: The ones who have already voted are the most likely
Speaker 4: to say no, I don't support this, and we are
Speaker 4: seeing evidence of higher turnout in the Republican parts of
Speaker 4: the state. So this is a dead heat. As we
Speaker 4: like to say, if you haven't voted yet, yeah, go
Speaker 4: vote right now. I don't know why you didn't listen
Speaker 4: the last two times we told you to do that,
Speaker 4: But do it now. And I think the last day
Speaker 4: is probably this Saturday. If you don't do it by,
Speaker 4: then make sure you vote Tuesday.
Speaker 2: This matters exactly. And this is a state that Kamala
Speaker 2: took by six points, so this is a pretty close state, right,
Speaker 2: And so they had six five maps they're going to
Speaker 2: try and go to ten one maps. A total total disaster,
Speaker 2: by the way, and it does have national implications. And
Speaker 2: what's also infuriating about this You said this, Libby, that
Speaker 2: she ran against doing this. Now she's all in favor
Speaker 2: because they lie. And secondly, before this they had a
Speaker 2: plus maps. They were rated a plus for being fair
Speaker 2: okay to the voting electorate. So I mean it's a
Speaker 2: bastardization of the sort of special election process which I
Speaker 2: think is getting litigated.
Speaker 4: But nevertheless, the vote is going forward. So vote, vote, vote,
Speaker 4: vote vote.
Speaker 2: Libby.
Speaker 4: You also used to live in the city of New York.
Speaker 4: You have a special place in your heart for the
Speaker 4: City of New York. I think it's safe to say.
Speaker 4: And Mom Donnie is getting a dismal report card, new
Speaker 4: report out from the New York Post. Mom Donnie gets
Speaker 4: dismal report card from New Yorkers after less than one
Speaker 4: hundred days in office.
Speaker 2: What are you hearing?
Speaker 12: Yeah, so I was looking at this poll as well.
Speaker 10: He's got a forty eight percent approval rating, which is
Speaker 10: substantially lower than Eric Adams, previous mayor's sixty one percent.
Speaker 10: At this point in his term, it's more on part
Speaker 10: with Bill Deblasio's approval rating, and he was one of
Speaker 10: the worst mayors the city has ever seen ever in the.
Speaker 12: History of the city, and that's really saying something.
Speaker 10: He's got a thirty percent disapproval rating Mom Donnie has
Speaker 10: and as he's had his one hundred days in office,
Speaker 10: it's been pretty the far leftism has been really pretty rampant,
Speaker 10: and also he's been breaking some campaign promises. He's already
Speaker 10: walking back the free buses things because it turns out,
Speaker 10: Gollie Gee, it's not that affordable. Who would have known that.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 10: Perhaps the entire city knew that and they elected him
Speaker 10: for it. Anyway, they got on board, so he's trying
Speaker 10: to walk that back. He's also proposing some plans based
Speaker 10: on some equity reporting that went into was conducted after
Speaker 10: George Floyd. This was put into place twenty twenty two
Speaker 10: by the city Council. Alets get on board with some
Speaker 10: of this BLM equity stuff and he's noticed that there
Speaker 10: are racial disparities in terms of income and various other
Speaker 10: things housing in the city, and he's decided that this
Speaker 10: is all based on prejudice and racism, not choices that
Speaker 10: people make.
Speaker 12: So that's something that people are looking at. Now he's complaining.
Speaker 10: That white households earn something like two hundred thousand, average
Speaker 10: black households around twenty thousand, and he's claiming that this
Speaker 10: is all racism. And this is a study where everybody,
Speaker 10: all forty five agencies of the city had to look
Speaker 10: at practices and policies through the lens of critical race theory.
Speaker 10: The idea was, go look for racism, and if you're
Speaker 10: going to put on glasses that are covered with racism, that's.
Speaker 12: All you're going to find.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you think that the wealth disparity in
Speaker 2: New York City is caused by racism, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to do for you. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: help you.
Speaker 4: But the national, the entire basic purpose of New York
Speaker 4: City at this point might as well be to reallocate
Speaker 4: money in order to solve disparity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and remember his campaign promise was to tax
Speaker 2: white neighborhoods. Yes, to, you know, essentially loot the wealth
Speaker 2: of white New Yorkers give it to black and brown
Speaker 2: New Yorkers. Here's the clips Nott seventeen.
Speaker 14: The inequities in this city. The racial inequities are stark.
Speaker 14: The wealth of a median white household in the city
Speaker 14: is more than two hundred thousand dollars, while that of
Speaker 14: a black household is less than twenty thousand dollars. We
Speaker 14: are reckoning with the long history of racism here and
Speaker 14: starting to act upon a framework that puts equity right
Speaker 14: at the center of it.
Speaker 4: Sandy, right right behind the mayor in that clip, by
Speaker 4: the way, is city Council and Yusef Salaam. He is
Speaker 4: one of the Central Park five. He participated in a
Speaker 4: gang rape of the Central Park jogger, and that was
Speaker 4: a giant crusade to let him off basically allegedly. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm saying he did it well allegedly, so yeah.
Speaker 10: The allegedly and then media gets on board and paints
Speaker 10: all these beautiful paintings of him, and now there he
Speaker 10: is in city council.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I looked at this and, as you know, a white
Speaker 10: person who lived in New York City, who definitely did
Speaker 10: not make the kind of income that he's looking for,
Speaker 10: but would have probably been taxed at a higher rate anyway,
Speaker 10: you know, just because of where I lived or whatever.
Speaker 10: It's really surprising to see how many people are actually
Speaker 10: on board with this, where you also have Black New
Speaker 10: Yorkers who are homeowners who are railing against this, saying,
Speaker 10: you know, we don't need to be taxed more just
Speaker 10: because we have the good fortune to own a home.
Speaker 12: We're trying to do this crazy thing.
Speaker 10: Called building generational wealth for our families, for our children,
Speaker 10: for our communities.
Speaker 12: That's important.
Speaker 10: And you have mom Donnie continuing to try to extort
Speaker 10: Albany for more tax revenue and more of all this
Speaker 10: stuff because he wants to implement more and more crazy
Speaker 10: programs that are based on equity, not opportunity. And one
Speaker 10: of the greatest things about New York City is just
Speaker 10: the amount of opportunity that is available. There are a
Speaker 10: lot of really good public schools, you know, and if
Speaker 10: you work really hard, if you tell your kids to
Speaker 10: work really hard, they can get into those schools and
Speaker 10: they can make a great name for themselves. They can
Speaker 10: make a future. There's no Bell Prize winners that come
Speaker 10: out of these New York City schools. And so when
Speaker 10: you look at the way that mom Donnie is treating
Speaker 10: the city.
Speaker 12: He wants to slash everybody off.
Speaker 10: At the knees who's doing well and give those you know,
Speaker 10: give those legs to somebody else so that they can
Speaker 10: climb higher. But these are people who living in one
Speaker 10: of the cities that has greatest opportunity in the world,
Speaker 10: have been unable to build on those opportunities.
Speaker 12: And that's really just a shame. And I think it's
Speaker 12: going to be a shame for the children of that city.
Speaker 2: Well, surprise, surprise, we have two examples of far left
Speaker 2: governance that are not It's not popular because it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: All right, Blake, You've got a story on the Pope
Speaker 2: that everybody's talking about. Jade Vance is getting asked about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's just interesting. I'm not entirely sure how
Speaker 4: to react to it. This is a reporting from the
Speaker 4: Free Press that's Barry Weiss's outfit that supposedly the Pentagon,
Speaker 4: supposedly the Pentagon of one of our officials there, Elbert Colby,
Speaker 4: summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, who's the Vatican's ambassador to the
Speaker 4: United States for a meeting in January, and this is
Speaker 4: in the wording of the Free Press that he told
Speaker 4: that he told this cardinal that the United States has
Speaker 4: the military power to do quote whatever it wants, and
Speaker 4: that the Pope American pop leo had quote better take
Speaker 4: its side. And supposedly in this confrontation, the US went
Speaker 4: so far as to invoke the Avignon papacy. And that
Speaker 4: raises my eyebrow. That sounds a little unlikely to me,
Speaker 4: to be frank for the ninety nine percent of you
Speaker 4: who have no idea what that's a reference to. In
Speaker 4: the thirteen hundreds, the King of France forcibly relocated the
Speaker 4: pope to a town in France called Avignon, and that's
Speaker 4: where the pope was instead of Rome for a little
Speaker 4: under one hundred years. And for a period there were
Speaker 4: even two popes. There was a Pope and Avion and
Speaker 4: a pope in Rome. Very complicated business, it was very
Speaker 4: important seven hundred years ago. It all sounds very unlikely
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, so It's spokesman for the Department of Defense
Speaker 2: told Newsweek that the Free Presses characterization of the meeting
Speaker 2: was highly exaggerated and distorted. The meeting between Pentagon and
Speaker 2: Vatican officials was a respectful and reasonable discussion, the spokesman said.
Speaker 2: We have nothing but the highest regard and welcome continued
Speaker 2: dialogue with the Holy See.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we should be frank. There has been a
Speaker 4: lot of friction between the new papacy and the admin.
Speaker 4: I'll be frank. I think the Pope has been a
Speaker 4: little annoying with his rhetoric on migration and immigration stuff
Speaker 4: like that. It bothers me because I just I don't
Speaker 4: think it really is in line with traditional Christian views
Speaker 4: on things like that, and it's annoying. You used to
Speaker 4: have the Pope would say things that are annoying and
Speaker 4: you go, oh, well, he said it in Italian and
Speaker 4: it's getting translated weird. Now we have this pope from
Speaker 4: Chicago and he just says stuff and it sounds like
Speaker 4: a lib commentator on MS now, and you're just it's
Speaker 4: frustrating and annoying. That said, so, don't think you want
Speaker 4: to be picking fights with the Vatican. They are institution
Speaker 4: with a long legacy, a lot of moral legitimacy. We
Speaker 4: don't need to spar with them either. We can respectfully
Speaker 4: disagree with them. That's what I hope anyway.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think that it's I think it's
Speaker 10: been interesting to see the pope.
Speaker 12: This is the first American pope.
Speaker 10: I'm Catholic, So full disclosure, there fun fact about the
Speaker 10: Avignon Papacy.
Speaker 12: I believe that that's where we got.
Speaker 10: The wine, the shadow noof depop that came from the
Speaker 10: Avignon fantasy.
Speaker 12: But yeah, I've been.
Speaker 10: Following Leo on X coming out all of the time
Speaker 10: speaking against war, speaking in favor of being nice to migrants,
Speaker 10: and into a certain regard.
Speaker 12: I really respect what he's doing.
Speaker 10: He's saying no war, that's really a pretty Catholic perspective
Speaker 10: at this point. No war, be nice to migrants, that's
Speaker 10: you know, of course we should be kind to these people.
Speaker 10: And this is of course not the first time that
Speaker 10: a religious leader like the Pope, a religious Catholic leader,
Speaker 10: has come into conflict with the big military powers of
Speaker 10: the world. It kind of speaks to a certain sense
Speaker 10: of balance and it makes sense. I mean, the papacy
Speaker 10: is not here to back the American government.
Speaker 12: That's not what it's for.
Speaker 10: It's opposed to guide Catholics in their view. So that's
Speaker 10: I think that's what matters here, is the speaking to
Speaker 10: Catholics about how they should behave. Should Catholics be in
Speaker 10: favor of war, Probably not, But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 10: you don't back your United States compell or high water
Speaker 10: no matter what. And I'm frankly very comfortable with that,
Speaker 10: you know, potential contradiction.
Speaker 12: And the same thing is true with the migration.
Speaker 10: I think that it makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 10: be kind to migrants, to be kind to people who
Speaker 10: are intent on leaving their own nations, but that doesn't
Speaker 10: mean they have to come to the United States. There
Speaker 10: is a separation there, certainly, between faith in Jesus Christ
Speaker 10: and what you think is best for your nation. They're
Speaker 10: not always going to necessarily be the same thing, right,
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think that we should let our
Speaker 10: nation be overrun because that would certainly get in the
Speaker 10: way of faith and expressing faith and all of that
Speaker 10: stuff too. So there has to be a balance. But
Speaker 10: I think Leo is doing what he thinks is the
Speaker 10: right thing to do. I think America is doing what
Speaker 10: America thinks is the right thing to do. And it's
Speaker 10: okay if those two things are not always aligned. I'm
Speaker 10: perfectly comfortable with that.
Speaker 4: There's been a similar story that was unfolding in the
Speaker 4: past week. There's this push that's been made to frame
Speaker 4: the Pentagon under Pete Hegseef, who is a Protestant, as
Speaker 4: actively anti Catholic in some capacity. There was a story
Speaker 4: that they had a Good Friday service on Good Friday
Speaker 4: and that they sent out a notice where it said
Speaker 4: Protestant service, no Catholic Mass. And this was hyped up
Speaker 4: by a lot of people as them actively.
Speaker 12: On Good Friday.
Speaker 4: We do not have a Mass on Good Friday.
Speaker 6: Just don't do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the only day of the year. I actually
Speaker 4: went to a service on Good Friday. You still have
Speaker 4: the Eucharist because they'll prepared it in advance, but they
Speaker 4: just a bit. They don't do the whole.
Speaker 2: Wait, you just said they don't. They don't have a service,
Speaker 2: but you went to one.
Speaker 10: We don't have like a specific Good Friday Mass. I
Speaker 10: mean there's Mass every day. Show your church at like
Speaker 10: eight in the morning.
Speaker 2: You're gonna find it.
Speaker 4: It's important sacrament stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got it. I listen. I'm a cradle Catholic,
Speaker 2: but I'm obviously a little rusty on some of the particulars,
Speaker 2: but I can guarantee you that Pete Heg said has
Speaker 2: nothing but love for the Catholic Church and Catholic serving
Speaker 2: in the military. But it's something we actually talked about
Speaker 2: with Michael Knowles. It does feel like there is some
Speaker 2: sort of effort to drive a wedge between Catholics and
Speaker 2: Protestants Evangelical specifically in this country. I don't know where
Speaker 2: that's coming from exactly, but I don't feel it innately myself.
Speaker 2: It just feels like there's forces that are trying to
Speaker 2: drive a wedge about between the Catholics and Protestants, and
Speaker 2: I I genuinely I don't resonate with it at all.
Speaker 4: Well, what I would say is Catholics and Evangelicals and
Speaker 4: different Protestant they have different beliefs about Christianity and we
Speaker 4: shouldn't ignore those things. I think if you go too
Speaker 4: far on ecumenism, you miss that. You kind of end
Speaker 4: up imagining that doctrine isn't important, and that oh it
Speaker 4: just we're all kind of some of us just like
Speaker 4: ceremony a bit more than others, and it is more
Speaker 4: than that that's going on. Getting back to the big picture.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty It seems pretty obvious there's going
Speaker 4: to be friction between this admin and the Pope. The
Speaker 4: Pope bite bash the president a bit. I would say,
Speaker 4: in contrast to most world leaders, the president probably shouldn't
Speaker 4: bash the pope back. He's just it's not a fight
Speaker 4: that's worth picking. There's a good exchange.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 4: I think there was a tech leader who was making
Speaker 4: fun of the Pope, and a guy just said, don't.
Speaker 2: Mock the Pope.
Speaker 4: Don't mock the Pope. And if they did say something
Speaker 4: about we have military power, I find it unlikely that
Speaker 4: this administration did that. But I do remember the supposed
Speaker 4: line by Joseph Stalin how many divisions does the Pope have?
Speaker 4: And then the church played a big role in bringing
Speaker 4: down communism in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2: You just well, but I don't. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: doctrinal issues don't matter. They certainly can and do sometimes,
Speaker 2: But in general, we have way more in common than
Speaker 2: we do that separates us, namely Jesus Christ, Yes is
Speaker 2: our Lord. So amen, Leby Evans, thank you for joining
Speaker 2: us the post millennial and human events. Thanks for making
Speaker 2: the time, Libby, We'll see again soon.
Speaker 12: Thanks so much, guys.
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