1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to Aaccfoundation dot org. Again, that's 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, your. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: Host, and each week I come to you exclusively on 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: the Life Audio podcast Network. 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Now let's roll. 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different Podcast. As always, 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton, joined by 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: the old man himself, doctor Tim Clinton. 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Over there in the zar me of the AACC. 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: He's the director of the Global Center for Human Flourishing 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: at Liberty University. 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: And today we're backstage. 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: Eight thousand women, sold out crowd in the Baby Center, Tulsa, Oklahoma. 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: Tornadoes all around, the sirens going off. But God is 30 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: doing something special in that place, and we are about 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: to hear from a stick of dynamite. 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Herself. 33 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: Miss Ann Wilson is in the house. She is a singer, 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: She's a songwriter. She's one of the most recognizable and 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: rising voices in both Christian and country music. Songs like 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: My Jesus God's Story, Living Water, a song that just 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: released today with Coleswindell, Still Do and my friend. 38 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm excited. 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: We're going to have a lot of fun. Well, congratulations 41 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: on the release of a new song. Tell us a 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: little bit about Still Do. 43 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: I'm excited coleswandelas as an incredible country artist who I 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: actually I mean, I've loved his music for a long time. 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 4: But Still Do came out on my record back in October, 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: and it was one of the most vulnerable songs I've 47 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: ever released. It was kind of just I was going 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: through a hard time last year and I feel like 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 4: as a follower of Jesus there's moments where your faith 50 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 4: just it has its moments. You know, sometimes it feels 51 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: strong and then other days it can feel really weak, 52 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: and your relationship with God can differ. And I felt 53 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: like I was in one of those moments in my life, 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: just struggling and just like God, just feeling like I 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: was distant with the Lord and I hadn't put in 56 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 4: that time with him than I should have. And so 57 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: sat down and we wrote Still Do, and it's a 58 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: very vulnerable and honest song just about the journey of faith. 59 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: And then Cole actually reached out to our team and 60 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: he was like, I love the song. I have such 61 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: a connection to it, and I feel like it's so 62 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: vulnerable and real about what it means to just go 63 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 4: through the journey of being a follower of Jesus. 64 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: And so we ended up doing a version together. 65 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: It came out today, and it's been so cool to 66 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: see just like his audience coming, bringing his audience into 67 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: the song and how they're receiving it. 68 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: So it's been really special. 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 70 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: You know, you're about to enter into an arena maybe 71 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: center here, packed with eight thousand women. You're very fond 72 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: of arenas opening up for Morgan Wallen and countless other 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: big magical musicians. But at the same time, it's a 74 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: ministry opportunity, and I just want. 75 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: To hear from you. 76 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: How do you prepare to step into audiences, whether it's secular, 77 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: whether it's Christian, it's faith based. 78 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: What do you do just to ready your heart and 79 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: your spirit? 80 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 3: There's so many things. 81 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: I think it starts with, like the perspective going into 82 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: a day, like even today, today's our first show back 83 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: for a while, and so it's like waking up today, 84 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: woke up in Nashville, got on a plane and came 85 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: and like setting my heart for what's to come, which 86 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: is just number one, getting alone time with Jesus in 87 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: the morning if I can first thing, and then really 88 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: just reminding myself of why I do what I do, 89 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: Like I'm going to step on that stage because God 90 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: has called me to do this. He's already gone before me, 91 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: so I don't have to carry the pressure of the performance. 92 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: But I am called to go out there and be 93 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: authentic and be vulnerable and share what God's putting on 94 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: my heart and doing in my life. 95 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: And the biggest thing is always just like no. 96 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 4: Matter if I'm opening for Morgan Wallen or I'm at 97 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: a women's conference. That's Christian is that people would experience 98 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: Jesus in the crowd, that whoever watches me singing or 99 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: hear's the words that I'm saying, would experience the presence 100 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: of God and his goodness and his kindness. And I 101 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: always pray with my band that God would show himself 102 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: to the people in the crowd every night, that wherever 103 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 4: they're at, whatever journey they're on, that they would meet 104 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: Jesus in the. 105 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 5: Midst of It seems to be a stirring going on 106 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: Anther and you look in Christian music circles, Brandon Lake, 107 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: Phil Wickham, Chris Tomlin, the host of others is just 108 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 5: like an explosion. Look at the country world and it 109 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: seems like something's really taken root there too. I think 110 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 5: about Jelly Rowl, all these people just doing things and 111 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 5: being very open, carry underwood others about their faith, the 112 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 5: sense that God's doing something different or what do you 113 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 5: think is happening. 114 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 4: I definitely think there's a shift going on right now, 115 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: especially in my generation in gen Z. It's like we 116 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: are a broken generation that needs Jesus. 117 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: We need to be fixed and we need help. 118 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: And I think my generation feels like one of the 119 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 4: first to just be really vulnerable in that and talking 120 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: about what we need and being honest about where we're 121 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: at in our struggles. And so I do think there's 122 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 4: something shifting in the world. I think that there's people 123 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: are hungry and just desperate and they need Jesus. 124 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: And it does feel like we're shifting that. 125 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 6: What's really wild. 126 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: Bible sales seem to be storing and they're talking a 127 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 5: lot about young men in particular coming to Christ, going 128 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 5: back to church. Yeah, there's a spin there with today's generations. 129 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool to see it is. 130 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: And I would love to dive a little bit deeper 131 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: into your story because your story is not just a 132 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: story about stages and bright lights. It's a story of suffering, 133 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: of grieving, loss of your brothers. So many things that 134 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: have happened that have shaped the woman that you are, 135 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: the leader that you are, the singer, the songwriter that 136 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: you are. I'd love for you just to take us 137 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: back into some of those moments you are acquaint to suffering. Right, 138 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: no one's a stranger to that very thing. There might 139 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: be somebody out there today who sees as the star 140 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: up there from the stage, but they don't. 141 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Quite know the backwater. Take us there if you would. 142 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was fifteen, my brother passed away in 143 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 4: a tragic car accident. He was twenty three, and it 144 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: was beyond devastating. I mean, it's it's really hard to 145 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 4: explain if you haven't walked through something like that, but it's. 146 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: Like very just very hard and not We're not. 147 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: Meant to go through that, you know, we were never 148 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: made for that originally, So it was really difficult and 149 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: it was one of it was the worst time of 150 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: my life. 151 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: But through all that, God was. 152 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: So faithful and so good, and he used that to 153 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: call me into music, into my calling that I had 154 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: no idea was even a part of me. I before 155 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: I got into music industry, I wanted to do something 156 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: very different with my life and never would have dreamed 157 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: of being on a stage or traveling the country. And 158 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 4: it was out of that loss that really changed my 159 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: perspective on what matters. And it's Jesus like, how can 160 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 4: you love people? 161 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: Well? 162 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: Pour into the kingdom like that's the mission. And then 163 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: you know, slowly but surely, it became music and God 164 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: was opening up doors for me in the music industry, 165 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: and I moved to Nashville when I was eighteen years old, 166 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: right out of high school, and then the following year 167 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: put out My Jesus as my very first song ever. 168 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 4: And so looking back now it's been five years of 169 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: doing this, it's evident that God has been in the 170 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: details and in the midst of it, writing my story 171 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: all along since I was a little kid, like even 172 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: little little girl, and my parents have just said like 173 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: God was preparing me for this, and it's been so 174 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: cool to watch. 175 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: And it was all from tragedy. 176 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: I think going through tragedy in life, which we're all 177 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 4: going to have to walk through, is such a perspective 178 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: shift if you allow it to be, and it can 179 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: really change the way you view everything. 180 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: When I was sixteen, my kids six th Candy was fourteen, 181 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: was involved in a car accident. She suffered a traumatic 182 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 5: brain injury and her head literally hit a tree at 183 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 5: thirty five mile an hour and it changed everything for 184 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 5: our family. Actually was the first one on the scene 185 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 5: of the accident as a kid, remember the green gum 186 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: in or tea and trying to keep her alive, and 187 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 5: she was comotos for twenty eight days and then everything 188 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 5: changed for her personality, everything she had learned to walk, 189 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 5: eat everything, battle with epilepsy, so many other issues, and 190 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 5: I remember really trying to pray for her. We were close, 191 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: and go to God and say, God, can you do something? 192 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 5: A lot of people struggle to worship God when there's pain. 193 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 5: When I looked at your story a little bit, that's 194 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 5: kind of like what birthed your your entire wiring, your music, 195 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: your DNA. Take us into that a little bit, because 196 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 5: a lot of people struggle with God when life's not 197 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 5: the way it's supposed to be. 198 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think that's such a big part of 199 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: why a lot of people don't come to God, you know, 200 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: is because they're like, well, why does God allow bad 201 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: things to happen to medical? Yeah, and have a lot 202 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: of those feelings, And I think I think one of 203 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: the biggest calling as a Christian is to actually do that, 204 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: is to worship God in the midst of your pain. 205 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: I feel like the older I've gotten and the more 206 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 4: life I've experienced, I just had a dear friend pass 207 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 4: away a couple of weeks ago, twenty two years old. 208 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: Died in her sleep and the more tragic stuff I've 209 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: experienced in my life, the more I've realized that perspective 210 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 4: of Like, I think one of the main points of 211 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: walking with Jesus is choosing to worship Him in the 212 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: midst of suffering and choosing to still glorify Him even 213 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: when things don't go the way you want them to go, 214 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: because God has such a plan in that, and I 215 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 4: do think he blesses that too. I watched that in 216 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: my life, choosing to worship God in the midst of that, 217 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: and how He blessed me and my family because of that, 218 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 4: because we didn't push him away and say how dare 219 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: you God and completely go the other way we went. 220 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: We went to Jesus and he met us in that 221 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: and he gave us what we needed and healed our 222 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 4: hearts and now we're walking in the most beautiful season 223 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 4: of our life. 224 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: But if we hadn't turn of Jesus, we wouldn't be 225 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: where we are. 226 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: So it's like, I feel like you can either get 227 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: mad at God and go your own way, or you 228 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: can turn to the oges. 229 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 6: What it's empty? 230 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: You know that's empty? 231 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that but God peace, if you can really 232 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: understand that he walks with us in the midst of 233 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 5: all that. That's that's your freedom. Otherwise you're locked up 234 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: in chains. 235 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 6: That's a rough road. 236 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop this right there and jump in to 237 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: say you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton. We 238 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. 239 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation flowing. 240 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: Right after this. 241 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: You're listening to life audio. I'm thinking about one of 242 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: the deepest, darkest, lowest moments of my own personal life. 243 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: I remember coming across a quote by a woman named 244 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Nancy Lee de de Moss, and she said, I've realized 245 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: that in any given situation that I come up against 246 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: in life, I have one of two options. She said, 247 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: I can whine or I can worship. And she said, 248 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: but it's impossible to worship without giving thanks. And that's 249 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: what you're really referencing here, And is this idea of 250 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: proclaiming the goodness of God, remembering these things, making remembrance 251 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: a practice in our life, in our spiritual rhythms every 252 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: single day. Well, at the same time, it's a choice 253 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: to rejoice, finding this sense of gratitude in the midst 254 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: of grief help us understand why these practices and why 255 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: these spiritual rhythms can help people in the midst of suffering. 256 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking about your songs, whether it's My Jesus, 257 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: God's Story, living Water. Is there a song or two 258 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: that you think, Man, this was completely anointed by God 259 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: for this particular season in my life. Does it kind 260 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: of hold it a little bit closer to your heart? 261 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: Honestly, every song that I've ever written has been like, well, 262 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: not ever written, maybe, but every song I've put out 263 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 4: has been like, I feel like it's from the Lord. 264 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: Every song has been from God, but specifically the ones 265 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: I released, it's like, Okay, this is the one that 266 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: I love hearing God is telling me to release. But 267 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: I do think that I think there's such a beauty 268 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: in worshiping God in the midst of pain and suffering, 269 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 4: and there's something so powerful about it. And I think 270 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 4: it's like choosing to lay down what you're going through 271 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: and giving things in. 272 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: The midst of it. 273 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 4: Because I do think gratitude changes your perspective so much, 274 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: like just choosing to have a grateful heart in the 275 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 4: midst of that. And for me, even just these last 276 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: couple of weeks have been so hard, but I've been 277 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: choosing gratitude, like God, thank you for another day. And honestly, 278 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 4: I wasn't thanking God for every day before my friend passed, 279 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: you know, I was just going back to my normal 280 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: life and just going about my days. And so even 281 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 4: the last couple weeks, it's been like every morning, thank 282 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 4: you God for another day. Thank You for the gift 283 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 4: of getting to share the gospel. Thank You that I 284 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: have a voice to sing. Thank You that I can 285 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: go out and be and try and be the handsome 286 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: feet of You. And so I do think it's all 287 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: about when you go through things, which everyone will, but 288 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: when you do, it's like, how are you going to respond? 289 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: You know, are you going to choose to worship and 290 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: be grateful or are you going to choose to go 291 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 4: the other way. 292 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 5: We work with a lot of pro athletes, and one 293 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 5: of the things I've learned through the years is early 294 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 5: six cess for an athlete is pretty threatening. It kind 295 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 5: of often leads them in a bad direction. You debut 296 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 5: a song called My Jesus that explodes that level of 297 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: quote recognition. 298 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 6: How do you balance that? How do you keep yourself 299 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 6: centered in the midst of it. 300 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: It was really hard. The first couple of years. 301 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: I was just pretty numb in general because Jacob had 302 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: just died, and I was just very overwhelmed mentally and 303 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 4: like the pressure and the weight of the world as 304 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: a nineteen year old girl. But I think that over 305 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: the years, I mean, with a lot of counseling. I 306 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 4: have an incredible counselor who always points me back. 307 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 6: We like counselors, yeah, we do. 308 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're vital, I feel like, especially for me, and 309 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: just needing that reminder of the pressures not on. 310 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: Me and that God has gone before me. 311 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: But it was hard. 312 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 4: It was hard growing up in the public eye, like 313 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 4: being so young and I just turned twenty four and 314 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: so I'm still so young, but like I've lived so 315 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: much life in such a short amount of time, and 316 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 4: I do think there were moments where I could have 317 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: gone the other direction. You know, there was every direction, yes, 318 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 4: for sure, But I will say like my family in 319 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: the beginning was vital for me, like keeping me where 320 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: it's centered and where I needed to be in reminding 321 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: me like this is why you're doing what you're doing. 322 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: And I had an incredible support system still do now. 323 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: But specifically in those early days where everything just exploded 324 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: every night, it was like they were my rock and 325 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: they kept me going, you know. 326 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: And as Easter is quickly approaching as of this interview, 327 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: I remember several years back, because I'm thinking of your 328 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: song My Jesus, the title of it, where a pastor 329 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: got up on stage and he delivered this powerful sermon. 330 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: Now I was sitting there in the congregation, and the 331 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: pastor was said, at the end of it, all right, 332 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: he gave this idea of who Jesus was, this profession 333 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: of faith, this opportunity, this invitation to respond, and he said, 334 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: at the end of it, but it matters not who 335 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: I say that Jesus is. 336 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: What matters most is who you say that he is. 337 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: I think of the disciples counting Jesus at Matthew sixteen, 338 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: and this idea where Jesus stoops low and he's asking 339 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: them who do people say that I am? Blah blah blah, 340 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: And they're saying some say Elijah, some say a prophet, 341 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: some says this, some say that. But then he says, 342 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: but who do you say that I am? When I 343 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: hear this word my Jesus, I think of a lesson 344 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: that Dad taught me since I was a kid. It's 345 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: our moments of powerlessness that draw us closer to and 346 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: reveal the character of God's heart the most. So, whether 347 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: it was back when you were just a young girl 348 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: navigating the loss of your brother, to fast forward all 349 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: the way to today navigating the loss of a friend, 350 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: I'm interested just throughout your journey. What has God revealed 351 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: to you about him? And how would you answer that question? 352 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: Who is Jesus to Anne Wilson. 353 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: That's a great question. He's so much to me. 354 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: But I feel like in the last few months, I 355 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: feel like I've gotten to experience that his kindness and 356 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: his like just sweetness and who he is in the 357 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: midst of all that's been going on. I feel like 358 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: the word I got for the year, I always pray 359 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: for a word, and I got be still and know 360 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: that I'm God. 361 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: We still know that I'm with forty six Yep. We 362 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: still know that I'm taking care of everything for you. 363 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: And I feel like I've really watched Jesus this year 364 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: be like a caretaker for me and just meeting me 365 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 4: where I'm at, whether that's through a struggle or something 366 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: I'm battling with or my friend passing in the comfort 367 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: in him giving me the strength that I needed to 368 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: be what I needed to be for her family and 369 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: all the different aspects of that. 370 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: So but I really have. I became a Christian when I. 371 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: Was twelve, and I've walked with him since and it's 372 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: been such a beautiful journey. And I think i've the 373 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: more you grow in your faith, the more you experience 374 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: of Him and the layers that you experienced him. And 375 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: there's been so many times that he's been the brother 376 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: I needed, you know, and then the father and all 377 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: the different all the different ways that he is. But 378 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 4: I would say definitely recently it's just been like a 379 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: reminder of his kindness and how sweet he is. 380 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: And I want to ask this question too, because obviously 381 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,239 Speaker 2: it's a relationship with God vertically, but also a relationship 382 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: with others. For hoiie, I think of Daniel chapter three, 383 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: God gives us friends for the fire. I think of 384 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: my wife, who's like my best friend in the world, 385 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: and she's navigated some really hard times with me. I 386 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: think of some of my dearest friends, some of my 387 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: family members in your life, Anne, who are some of 388 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: those friends that God has equipped you with to navigate 389 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: the fiery seasons of life. 390 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 4: Definitely my family, my parents and my sister, They're everything 391 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 4: to me. But I have such an incredible community where 392 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 4: I live in Franklin, tennes See of people that have 393 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 4: come alongside me and supported me and been there for me. 394 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: And then one of my favorite people who led me 395 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 4: to Jesus, Pastor Cameron and his wife Erica, who have 396 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 4: been mentors of mine for twelve thirteen years now. And 397 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 4: there are always people that I call when I need 398 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 4: a reminder, prayer. Just there's so many people that God 399 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: has given me my life, and I'm so grateful for that. 400 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 5: There's going to be a big audience out here tonight. 401 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: A lot of women are coming in broken, empty, maybe confused, 402 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: angry about a life that's not the way it's supposed 403 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: to be. 404 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 6: When you get up on stage and they're. 405 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 5: Electric, you're gonna you're gonna have You're gonna have fun, 406 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 5: that's ways is loud and out of control, but at 407 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: the same time you know they're expectant. You hear them saying, 408 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 5: what do you hope radiates to the crowd? What what 409 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: is it that when you walk off stage, What's yeah, God, 410 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 5: we did something tonight. 411 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I would I pray that every song I 412 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 4: sing tonight would would, you know, remind them of who 413 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 4: Jesus is and they would fill his presence. But I 414 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 4: feel like in the last few weeks it's been a. 415 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: Reminder for me. I think the number one thing. 416 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: That matters is that we know that we're loved by 417 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: Jesus and no matter what mistakes we make, or how 418 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 4: bad we feel we are, or what struggles we're facing, 419 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 4: or what we're walking through the sadness of the grief, 420 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: that we're loved by Him. And I feel like that 421 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 4: alone has so many layers to it, Like what does 422 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: it mean to be loved by him? It means to 423 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 4: be taken care of by him. It means that you're safe, 424 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: it means that you're protected. It means that there's nothing 425 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: that you could do that would make him not love you. 426 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: And like all of that coming together, I would pray that. 427 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 4: I think women struggle with that a lot. I know 428 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 4: the I do as a woman like being loved, and 429 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 4: that's our number one one as women is to be loved, 430 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: And so I pray that they would feel that tonight 431 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: just as they leave that they would feel the love 432 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 4: of Jesus. 433 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 5: We often say that virtually every man I've ever met 434 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: doesn't really believe God loves him. 435 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 6: Is God good? Yeah? All the time? All the time? 436 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 6: God is good. 437 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: Me. 438 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 5: I'm not so sure because if God knows me the 439 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 5: way you say he knows me, I'm not sure he 440 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 5: could really love me. But when you can get beyond 441 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 5: that and know that you're loved, that's transformative. 442 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is. 443 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of what's happened is we've 444 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 5: missed that piece, and we often push people into religious 445 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 5: behavior and God loves righteousness, We love that, we want 446 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 5: to live in those ways. Yeah, but what does it 447 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: really mean to be loved by God? That's a beautiful word, Zach, 448 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 5: it is and I want to ask this question because 449 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 5: it just popped into my mind for the next generation. 450 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 5: You talked about how for women sometimes it's a real 451 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 5: challenge to feel and to really accept like that full 452 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 5: identity of being loved by God as a daughter of 453 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: the King. I think about the CDC report that came 454 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 5: out in twenty twenty three. We work as counselors in 455 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: that licensed professional counseling laying with the AACC And you know, 456 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 5: the CDC reported that fifty seven percent of our girls, 457 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 5: of our daughters in the next generation reported feeling persistently sad. 458 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: Thirty percent of our daughters our next generation reported contemplating 459 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 5: suicide at a very serious level and a serious rate. 460 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 5: And I think of social media, and I think of 461 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 5: just the toxicity of the comparison culture built on perceived perfection. 462 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: It's a human highlight reel. We see it all the time. 463 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: What's the message to just a. 464 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: Young girl out there who feels behind, who feels like man, 465 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: I wish I had this, I wish I looked like her, 466 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: whatever it is, what's just a message to that girl 467 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: that God has them exactly where they're at. 468 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: I would say, I didn't know those stats. By the way, 469 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: that's so sad. 470 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 6: It's shocking. 471 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 5: I yah, it's not a crisis. That's a disaster. Yeah, 472 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 5: that's really it's our daughters and our granddaughters. 473 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so sad. 474 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: I think women have always struggled with identity, but yeah, 475 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 4: especially now, I would say, just the number one thing 476 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: as a as a woman that I've grown to learn 477 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: is that Jesus loves me. That he delights in me, 478 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: that I'm adored by him, and that my identity is 479 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 4: in him and what he says about me and not 480 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: what other people say. And I do think social media 481 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 4: has a huge thing to do with this. I hate 482 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 4: social media and I think it's absolutely awful. I think 483 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 4: it does good, but I think the majority of it 484 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 4: is really bad, especially for these young kids and young 485 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 4: girls as they're growing up and getting Instagram and they 486 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: have all these ways that they can compare themselves with 487 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: other girls that my parents didn't have, and I do 488 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 4: think that a lot of that is where that comes 489 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: in of feeling like they're not pretty enough, or they're 490 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: not skinny enough, or they don't look the way that 491 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: they should look. And I think all that comes back 492 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: to these girls reminding themselves that they are a daughter 493 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 4: of Jesus and that their identity isn't him. It's not 494 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: in what a mean girl at school says about them, 495 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: or a girl commenting something on Instagram, but it's literally 496 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: in the fact that Jesus died for them and he 497 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: loves them, and he calls them their daughters, so his daughters. 498 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 6: Years back, I worked in NASCAR with. 499 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 5: A driver named Jimmy Johnson went seven national championships, and 500 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 5: one of the things we worked on from the beginning 501 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 5: was a hashtag owned your influence. And it was like, Jimmy, 502 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 5: as Zach grows up, make sure you on any media 503 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 5: or anything like that, think about what's being sad. 504 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 6: You know that to the people who want to emulate you. 505 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 5: And as I think about your career and I think 506 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 5: about what's happening in Nashville, by the way, everybody's moving 507 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 5: to Franklin. That's crazy, It's crazy, got everybody. But when 508 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: you think about owning your influence, there is you represent 509 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 5: something I think on social media to a lot of 510 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: these young girls. 511 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 6: In particular, you know that. 512 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 5: And by the way you're there, you're sending a message 513 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 5: too to young men about what it means. 514 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 6: To quote be in Christ. You know that. 515 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 5: And as you think about owning your influence, what are 516 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 5: you praying about, what's God's stirring in your heart? 517 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 6: And more? 518 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: I'm always thinking about that and how I'm impacting people. 519 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: But honestly, I hope that my Instagram, I mean a 520 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: lot of the post is is like no makeup posts, 521 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 4: and like even things like that, like I'll post something 522 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 4: without makeup, and I'll have all these little girls message 523 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 4: me and be like, oh, thank you for posting a 524 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 4: picture without any makeup, Like that's such an encouragement for 525 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: us to remind ourselves that were. 526 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: Beautiful without makeup, like little even like little. 527 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: Things like that, where that's just me being authentic because 528 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: I don't wear makeup unless I literally have shows I 529 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: never do, and so I think that like just being authentic, 530 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: And that's another thing I really feel like I've stepped 531 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 4: into in the last few months, is just being authentically 532 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: who I am and who God made me be and 533 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: allowing that to be the influence for these girls, but 534 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: obviously reminding myself that being a role model comes with 535 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: a huge responsibility, and it's walking in the ways of 536 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 4: Jesus and making sure that I'm I'm actually doing that 537 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: in my private life too, and that I'm I'm you know, 538 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: pursuing him and thinking about everything and how could this 539 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: post influence this person? 540 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: And so I just try to be really aware of 541 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: all those things. 542 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: And I think my mom was an incredible mom growing 543 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: up and did an incredible job at teaching me my 544 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 4: sister about modesty and like how your image matters and 545 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 4: just how it affects people. 546 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: So it's encouraging to hear. 547 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: And as we wrap up our conversation together, what I 548 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: really want to wrap up with is in knowing that 549 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: God is going to continue to use you, your platform, 550 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: your impact, your influence, your voice. I want to know 551 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: how can we how can our audience be praying for 552 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: you that you could continually make a bold stand for Jesus, 553 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: whether in a room packed full of Christians or whether 554 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: a massive country music festival where there might not be 555 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: a Christian in the audience or crowd. How can we 556 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: be praying for you most that's really sweet. 557 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: Just for strength to get through all the things that 558 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: are to come this year. 559 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 4: It's always you know, touring is exhausting, and me and 560 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: my band and team, you don't get a lot of sleep, 561 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: and you wake up in a new city every day 562 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: and it's like expected to be on stage and to 563 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: perform at this level every night when you haven't had 564 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: sleep in days. And so I would say, just strength 565 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: and rest to get through. 566 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: Health. 567 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 4: We always pray for health, like just to be able 568 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: to walk on that stage and be healthy and feel 569 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: good so we can do our best. But ultimately that 570 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: just God would continue to open doors, more and more 571 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: doors for us to share the gospel with as many 572 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: people as possible. 573 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Amen, we'll definitely be praying for you. We stand with you. 574 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: We can't wait to spend some of you some of 575 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: the zoom night. Let's have some fun. It's going to be. 576 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 5: Reminds me of that versus we close in Isaiah forty one, 577 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 5: where it says, behold, I'm doing new things. I really 578 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 5: believe God's doing something. There's just like convergence of whatever 579 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: it is happening in culture. And I think that's the prayer, 580 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: that's the cry of the soul, if you will that 581 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: God would reveal himself and he has no greater plan 582 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 5: than to use people like us as conduit through which 583 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 5: he brings his message of help and healing and grace 584 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 5: to others. 585 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 6: So, hey, we celebrate and honor you. Thank you for 586 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 6: joining us. 587 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: And where can our audience go to find out more 588 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: about you? And then I've always wondered this, is it 589 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 2: better to go to Apple Music, Spotify? 590 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: What's the best salad that we can support you on? 591 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 5: Uh? 592 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: Well, I would say, just go to my website. 593 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: And there we go Social dot com. Okay, an wilsonofficial 594 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: dot com and our friend. Thank you so much for 595 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: joining us. We can't wait to hear you tonight. Thank 596 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: you to all of our build Different audience. I just 597 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: wanted to say thank you so much for joining us today. 598 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: Just thank you for allowing this conversation to hopefully encourage 599 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: you as it has us. And I pray that you 600 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: would remember the words that and just shared. That God 601 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: is for you, that he sees you, that he hears you, 602 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: that he loves you. And I love this that He 603 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: delights in you. You might be in a season offering, 604 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: you might be in a desert, you might be in 605 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: a wilderness, but He is with you every step of 606 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: the way. 607 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We love being 608 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: a part of your life.