1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: Well, hello there, favor listeners. My name is Jen I 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: am the host of the Bible Explained podcast, and I 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: am so excited that you chose to tune in and 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: discuss the Bible with me. Today we are in my 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: favorite book of the New Testament, which is the Book 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: of Hebrews, Hebrews chapter two, specifically, where we're going to 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: talk about the humanity of Jesus and why Jesus actually 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: had to become human and the significance of Jesus's humanity. 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: We're going to get into that topic in just a minute. 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: So for those of you who are new on the podcast, welcome. 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: I am so thankful that you guys chose to tune in. 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: And if you don't know, on Tuesdays and Thursdays, we 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: discuss the New Testament, and on Mondays and Wednesdays we 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: go over the Old Testament. And then on Fridays I 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: do a member's only podcast where we discuss the Book 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: of the Psalms. So that is the schedule of the 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: podcast for everyone who is new here. Now. The Book 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: of Hebrews, which is what we're discussing today, is my 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: favorite book of the New Testament because I love the 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: concepts that the Book of Hebrews discusses, the deity of God, 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: the humanity of God, and what being saved really means. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: That's kind of the synopsis of the Book of Hebrews. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: So I love this book and I think it is 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: a very very important book for everybody to read and understand. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: So today we're going to get into Hebrews chapter two 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: right after a quick word from the sponsor. Now, during 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: the sponsored ad, this is the perfect time for all 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: of you guys to go grab your favorite cup of 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: coffee or your favorite cup of tea for all you 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: crazy tea drinkers out there, or also to grab your 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: version of the Bible that you prefer. So while this 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: ad plays, go ahead and get those things, and then 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: we'll get right into today's chapter to do a quick 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: recap of what we discussed on Tuesday. We talked about 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: how Jesus is God and the Old Testament prophecies and 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: verses that talk about Jesus's deity. We also talked about 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: how even though Jesus was god fully God, he also 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: came down to earth and became fully human as well, 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: So Jesus was both fully God and fully human, and 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: those two things are very important for us Christians to 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: understand because a lot of times we like to underplay 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: Jesus's humanity and really only focus on his deity. And 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: then on the flip side, people who aren't Christians don't 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: like to talk about Jesus's deity or they don't believe 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: that Jesus was God but he was only a man. 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: But it's important to understand that Jesus was both fully 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: God and fully man at the exact same time. So 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: we're going to get into why it's important to talk 50 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: about Jesus's humanity on today's episode. So once again, let's 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: read Hebrews two ten through eighteen and jump into this 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: topic together. For it became him, for whom are all things, 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: and through whom are all things, in bringing many children 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: through sufferings. For both he who sanctifies and those who 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: are sanctified are all from one, for which cause he 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying I will 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: declare your name to my brothers among the congregation, I 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: will sing your praise again. I will put my trust 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: in him again. Behold here I am with the children 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: whom God has given me. Since then the children have 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: shared in flesh and blood. He also himself, in the 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: same way partook of the same, that through death he 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, 65 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: that is, the devil, and might deliver all of them who, 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: through the fear of death, were all their lifetime subject 67 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: to bondage for most. Certainly, he doesn't give help to angels, 68 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: but he gives help to the offspring of Abraham. Therefore, 69 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: he was obligated in all things to be made like 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: for the sins of the people. For in that he 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: himself has suffered being tempted, he is also able to 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: help those who are tempted. Interestingly enough, there's some really 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: difficult concepts, I guess in this short little passage, because 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: we're talking about why Jesus had to become human, and 77 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: on the surface, the answer is pretty easy. 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: You know. 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: It's the Sunday School answer where it's like, well, Jesus 80 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: had to become human because he had to die and 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: become the sacrifice for us, and that is absolutely true. 82 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: But that's just like scratching the surface as to why 83 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: Jesus became human. So let's break it down here. Starting 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: in verse ten, it says, for it became him for 85 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: whom are all things, and through whom are all things, 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: in bringing many children to glory, to make the author 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Now the web words 88 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: that a little bit odd because it uses more Old 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: English than what we're used to today. So if you 90 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: don't mind, I will paraphrase that verse into more modern English. Basically, 91 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: what verse ten means is that Jesus, who is God 92 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 2: because he is the creator and sustains everything by his word, 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: thought it was necessary or fitting to come to earth 94 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: in order to bring children to glory and also to 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: make himself the author of their salvation, perfect through sufferings. 96 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: So he had to make himself perfect through these sufferings. 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: And he might be like, well, how could Jesus be 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: made perfect? Is Hebrews implying that Jesus as God was 99 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: not perfect before he became a human? We'll actually, no, 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: that is not what Hebrews is implying at all, because 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: if you jump to Hebrews five verses eight through ten. 102 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 2: It actually goes more into depth as to what this 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: perfection through suffering actually means. Hebrews five, starting in verse eight, 104 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: though he was a son, yet he learned obedience by 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: became to all of those who obey him, the author 107 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: of eternal salvation, named by God, a high priest after 108 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: the order of Malchisa Deck. So basically, being made perfect 109 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: means learning obedience through suffering or through death. And actually, 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: I found a really interesting article on Hebrews chapter two 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: by John Piper on his website Desiring God. So let 112 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: me read what John Piper has to say about this 113 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: because I thought it was really really good. And I'll 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: link this article actually in the description of this episode 115 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: because it's very in depth and I think you guys 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: would really appreciate it. So here's what John Piper says 117 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: in this article quote here. Being made perfect means learning 118 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: obedience through suffering. This does not mean that he was 119 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: once disobedient and then became obedient. It means that Jesus 120 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: moved from untested obedience into suffering, and then through suffering 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: into tested and proven obedience, and this proving himself obedient 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: through suffering was his being made perfect. Continuing quote. Now, 123 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: the writer says in Hebrews two ten that it was 124 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: fitting for Christ to attain this proven perfection through sufferings. 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Why because Christ is leading many sons to glory, and 126 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: so he must succeed where we failed. We have all 127 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: suffered and failed to be perfected by it. Instead we 128 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: murmur and complain and get angry at God and his providence. 129 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: In this way we will never attain the glory of God. 130 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: If Christ is going to lead us to glory, then 131 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: he must succeed in sufferings where we failed, and that 132 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: he did, he was perfected in them. He always obeyed 133 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: when tested, even when tested with the most horrible sufferings. 134 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: So he is a fitting captain and forerunner and leader 135 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: to glory, and the salvation he accomplished is greater for 136 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: this fittingness. 137 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So basically that. 138 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: Article talks about how Jesus had to be made perfect 139 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: in order to lead us into glory essentially because we 140 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: failed in doing God's will. You know, we fail every 141 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: single day because we want to just do what we 142 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: want to do, and we get mad when God does 143 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: things that we don't like. In our day to day lives. 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure some of you have felt that way. 145 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: When somebody in your household is sick, or you're feeling sick, 146 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: or your car breaks down, or something's not working right, 147 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: you don't feel like you have enough money, or your 148 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: boyfriend or girlfriend breaks up with you, or something really 149 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: bad happens. You get so frustrated with God, you know, 150 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: and you almost like have this rage against him, at 151 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: least I do. At times. I'm not gonna lie. I 152 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: get like really angry. I'm like, God, You're all knowing, 153 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: You're all powerful, Why would you allow these things to 154 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: happen to me? You know, out of all the people 155 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: that it can happen to in the world, I do 156 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 2: a lot of things for you, God, so these things 157 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: shouldn't happen to me. We are going against God's will. 158 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: When we do that, we are not obedient. But Jesus 159 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: became perfect because not only was he obedient when we weren't, 160 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: but he also proved that obedience by becoming perfect to 161 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: the point of death. He allowed God's will to take 162 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: precedence so much in his life that he followed through 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: to the point of death. And that was important because 164 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: he had to become the perfect sacrifice, a sacrifice that 165 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: could take all sin away had to be perfect. We've 166 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: talked about that before on the podcast, about how even 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: in the Old Testament, God required the lambs and the 168 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: bulls that people brought as sacrifices to be perfect animals 169 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: because perfection is the opposite of imperfection. Sin equals imperfection, 170 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: and God himself is perfect. So in order to get 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: close to God, we have to either be perfect or 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: have a perfect sacrifice take the sin away for us. 173 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: In the old days, it was the perfect animals, but 174 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: that sacrifice obviously wasn't fully perfect because it was just 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: an animal. But Jesus, being fully human and God and perfect, 176 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: took that sacrifice on himself and became a complete sacrifice 177 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: for each and every one of us. He did that 178 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: by going through with God's will completely. Whereas you and 179 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: I we rage against God's will. But Jesus did not 180 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: do that. He did the opposite of that, and that 181 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: was what made him the perfect sacrifice, and by doing so, 182 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: he brought many children to glory. So he took the 183 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: punishment that we deserved that we caused on himself and 184 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: took it away washed it away, so that you and 185 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: I can now have a relationship with God. Even though 186 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: we were born in the sin nature, the sin nature 187 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: that does not make us perfect, we are now able 188 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: to have that relationship with God. So that's the first 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: reason why Jesus had to become human. Now here's the 190 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: second reason he had to become human in verse eleven. 191 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: For both he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified 192 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: are all from one for which cause he is not 193 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: ashamed to call them brothers, saying I will declare your 194 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: name to my brothers among the congregation, I will sing 195 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: your praise again. I will put my trust in Him again. 196 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: Behold here I am with the children whom God has 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: given me. So all that to say, Jesus became human 198 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: in order to physically become our big brother. 199 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: And I really like that. 200 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: If Jesus would have remained up in heaven as God 201 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: without taking on the human flesh, he wouldn't have become 202 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: our brother, if that makes sense, Because God is so 203 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: beyond us, He is so much greater than us that 204 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: there's no way we could have even related ourselves to 205 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,119 Speaker 2: God or called him our brother. So Jesus got personal 206 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: with us so that he could have that familial bond. 207 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: And he did that by taking on the human body, 208 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: by taking on flesh, so that he could physically become 209 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: our big brother. It says, for which cause he is 210 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: not ashamed to call us brothers. I find that verse 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: it's really funny, because you know, you and I we 212 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 2: definitely want to relate to Jesus. You know, even people 213 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: who don't believe that Jesus is God. Pretty much everybody 214 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: can't deny that Jesus is good. You know, the figure 215 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: of Jesus is good. Even other religions that aren't Christianity 216 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: have a form of Jesus or say that Jesus was 217 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: a great man, or he was enlightened, or he was 218 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: a prophet of some sort. You know, everybody says that 219 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: Jesus is good. Everyone wants to relate to Jesus and 220 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: say that they are similar to Jesus or could become Jesus. 221 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: But Jesus has every single right to be ashamed of 222 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: us and not want to relate to us. I mean, 223 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: even humans don't like other humans. 224 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: You know. 225 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: I was just listening to a podcast, I think yesterday, 226 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: where at the very end of it, the guy was 227 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: like God, just send the media. Now, send the media, 228 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: because there's so much corruption. You know, it's time for 229 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: you to come back. Just wipe us all out. That's 230 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 2: what that guy was saying, because because we don't even 231 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: want to relate to each other, that's how much humans 232 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: dislike each other. But yet Jesus was not ashamed to 233 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: call us brothers and sisters, though he had every single 234 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: right to be ashamed of that. He related himself to us, 235 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: and that should show us how loved we are by God. 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: And here's what the Old Testament says about Jesus calling 237 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: us brothers. In verse twelve, it says, I will declare 238 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: your name to my brothers among the congregation. I will 239 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: sing your praise, and again I will put my trust 240 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: in him. And again, behold here I am with the 241 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: children whom God has given me. So those are three verses. 242 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: The first one is from Psalm twenty two, verse twenty two, 243 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: which says I will declare your name to my brothers 244 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: among the assembly, I will praise you. And interestingly enough, 245 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: Psalm twenty two is actually the Psalm that Jesus would 246 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: have quoted up on the cross. The very first verse 247 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: is my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 248 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: There are some people that say he quoted what was it, 249 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: four or five psalms up on the cross, and there's 250 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: a biblical argument that could be made for that. But 251 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: Psalm twenty two, we know Jesus quoted at least part 252 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: of that psalm up on the Cross. And here in 253 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: verse twenty two it's saying that Jesus called human beings 254 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: his brothers. And then also the other two verses that 255 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: Hebrews mentions here, which is I will put my trust 256 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: in Him, and behold, here I am with the children 257 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: whom God has given me. Those two verses are Isaiah eighth, 258 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: seventeen and eighteen, respectively, which says, I will wait for Yahweh, 259 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and 260 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: I will look for him. Behold, I and the children 261 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for 262 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: wonders in Israel, from Yahweh of armies who dwells in 263 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: Mount Zion. So these verses are Jesus talking about putting 264 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: his trust in God's will, which is how he became 265 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: obedient right by putting the Father's will first and all, 266 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: so that God gave Jesus children to bring into glory. 267 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: So the author of Hebrews is basically making an argument 268 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: that the Old Testament backs up everything about Jesus, why 269 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: he had to become human and his reasoning for becoming human. 270 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: So so far we cover two reasons why Jesus had 271 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: to become human. The first being was so that he 272 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: could bring his children into glory and be made perfect 273 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: through testing his obedience through God's will. That's the first reason. 274 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: The second reason is so that Jesus could become a 275 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: brother to you and I, And the third reason is 276 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: listed here in verse fourteen. Since then the children have 277 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: shared in flesh and blood. He also himself in the 278 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: same way partook of the same that through death he 279 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, 280 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: that is, the Devil, and might deliver all of them who, 281 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: through the fear of death, were all their lifetime subject 282 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: to bondage. So that's the third reason Jesus came to 283 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: earth was to bring death to nothing, and thus to 284 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: bring Satan to nothing as well. Basically, Jesus became human 285 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: in order to die, because God up in heaven on 286 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: his throne cannot die, but human beings can die, and 287 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: Jesus had to become human in. 288 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Order to die. 289 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: And the reason he died, it says, to bring to 290 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: nothing the power of death, and also the devil. Before 291 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: Jesus died, death had power over us. But it doesn't 292 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: have that same power anymore because Jesus defeated death, because 293 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: as we know, since Jesus's God, he could not remain dead. 294 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Nothing has more power than God, not even death. So 295 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: Jesus rose again from the third day and proved that 296 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: he was God. But he also made the power of 297 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: death so much smaller because Jesus was resurrected and he's 298 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: the only person in the entire world ever to be resurrected. Now, granted, 299 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: people have risen from the dead before, you know, we've 300 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: talked about that in the Old Testament, and also Jesus 301 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: raised the Lazarus from the dead, but that's different. Being 302 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: raised from the dead is not the same thing as resurrection. 303 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: Resurrection means that you have become immortal, you will never 304 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 2: die again. That is what resurrection is. Being raised from 305 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: the dead means that you're no longer dead, but you're 306 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: gonna die again. Resurrection is something completely different, and by 307 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: resurrecting from the dead, Jesus showed that death does not 308 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: have that much power, especially considering the fact that anybody 309 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: who believes in Jesus. He promised us that we will 310 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: also be resurrected as well. Every one of us is 311 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: going to have that immortal body that is never going 312 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: to die again. And if all of this is sounding 313 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: really fantastical to you, guys, I want to remind you 314 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: that after Jesus resurrected from the dead, he met about 315 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: four hundred witnesses that actually saw him. And these witnesses 316 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: are a lot of the people that actually wrote the 317 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: New Testament. And you might be like, well, jen those 318 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: people could be lying. But four hundred people lying, and 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: not to mention, what did they gain from their lie? 320 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: They gained nothing from it. They were just persecuted and 321 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: put to death and imprisoned. That was what they gained 322 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: for their lie. Why would anybody lie about that? If 323 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: that's the case, If Jesus was resurrected from the dead, 324 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: then all of this is true because it proves that 325 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: he is God. And if he is God, that means 326 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: that God walked among us and cares about us and 327 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: loves us and he told his disciples to go out 328 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: and preach all of these things to the entire world. 329 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: So I can definitely understand if it sounds fantastical to you, 330 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: but you kind of have to come to the conclusion, 331 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: is this true, does history prove this is true, which 332 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 2: I personally believe that it absolutely does, or is all 333 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: of this a lie? And if it's a lie, then 334 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: that means that the entire Bible and that Jesus himself 335 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: was a liar. And you're not going to listen to 336 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: a liar because that means he's not a good person. 337 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: If he's he's going around pretending to be God. So 338 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: you have to come to that conclusion. Jesus can't just 339 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: be a good man or a good prophet. He's either 340 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: God and all of this is true, or he's a liar. 341 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: But it says right here in verse fifteen that he 342 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: became human so that he could die and also give 343 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: no more power to the devil or to death, and 344 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: might deliver all of them who, through the fear of death, 345 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: were in all their lifetime subject to bondage. So before 346 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: Jesus came to earth, there was this deep fear of death, 347 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: and there still is that to this day, you know, 348 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: nobody wants to die. 349 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: We don't want to go through the process of death. 350 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: Even as Christians who understand what comes after death, nobody 351 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: wants to go through the suffering of death. We hate 352 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: it because it's not natural to us. I don't think 353 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people understand that death is not natural. 354 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: We were not created to die. We were created to 355 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 2: actually live eternally with Jesus. Death came in because the 356 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: opposite of eternal life is death, and Adam and Eve 357 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: chose the opposite of eternal life. Unfortunately, so death is 358 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: not natural to us, and that is why. 359 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: We hate it. 360 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: We don't want to die. But because of what Jesus 361 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: did for us, giving us eternal life through his death 362 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: and through his sacrifice, we now don't have to fear 363 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: death the same way that people before Jesus had to 364 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: fear it, because we now know for certain where we 365 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: go after we die. Then, in verse sixteen, it says, 366 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: for most certainly he didn't give help to angels, but 367 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: he gives help to the offspring of Abraham. Therefore, he 368 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: was obligated in all things to be made like his brothers, 369 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest 370 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the 371 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 2: sins of the people. So those two verses are talking 372 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: about the difference between humans and angels. Even though humans 373 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: were made a little bit lower than the angels, God 374 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: granted this salvation to us and not the angels, and 375 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 2: that also shows that Jesus is different from the angels 376 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: even through his humanity. So Jesus is nothing like the angels, 377 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: either as God or as a human. It says in 378 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: verse seventeen. Therefore, he was obligated in all things to 379 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: be made like his brothers, not like the angels, that 380 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in 381 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: the things pertaining to God to make atonement for the 382 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: sins of the people. So that's the fourth reason why 383 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: Jesus became a human, so that he could become our 384 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: high priest. If you guys have been going through the 385 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 2: Old Testament with me, you know that a high priest 386 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 2: is somebody that makes atonement for the people, meaning he 387 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: says prayers for the people, he goes to God almost 388 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: like an intercessor, and he also teaches the people how 389 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: to live for God. That is the point of a 390 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: high priest. And now Jesus has become our high priest 391 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: because he understands us inside and out being a human being, 392 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: and he also understands in verse eighteen, this is the 393 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: fifth reason what temptation is like as well. That's the 394 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: last reason why Jesus had to come down to earth 395 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: was to relate to all of our different struggles that 396 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: we suffer through, to relate to all of our temptations 397 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: and our sufferings that we as human beings go through 398 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: on a day to day basis. Jesus was tempted in 399 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: every single way that you and I are, and being human, 400 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 2: he understands those temptations, which is another reason why he 401 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: became a human. And there's probably a myriad of other 402 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: reasons as well as to why it was best for 403 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: Jesus to become a human, but the main five points 404 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: is so that Jesus could become obedient through death and 405 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: bring his people to glory. Also so that he could 406 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: become our big brother, which in turn would help us 407 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: relate to him. And then thirdly it was to bring 408 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: death to nothing and also the power that Satan has 409 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: over us through death. Fourthly, it was to become our 410 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 2: high priest, and fifth to actually relate to us on 411 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: all of the sufferings and temptations that we go through, 412 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: so that we can bring these things to God, knowing 413 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: that He understands everything that we are dealing with, not 414 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: just because he is God, but because he experienced those 415 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: things himself. 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