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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: America cannot go forward unless we understand who we are,

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Speaker 2: unless we understand our founding, unless we understand the men

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Speaker 2: of the founding saw this as an.

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Speaker 3: Explicitly Christian project.

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Speaker 2: What they were doing. That's not just a couple of them,

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Speaker 2: they all understood that.

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Speaker 4: Well, Eric, welcome. You know we have known each other

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Speaker 4: quite a long time now, haven't we.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't go that far.

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Speaker 4: We have been in Washington, d C. Many times together.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, we should mention your brand new

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Speaker 4: book Revolution, subtitled The Birth of the Greatest Nation in

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Speaker 4: the history of the world, has been endorsed by a

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Speaker 4: certain president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that Jimmy Carter rose from the grave.

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Speaker 3: No, a lot of people don't believe that, but it

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Speaker 3: could happen.

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Speaker 4: So Donald John not big enough, Donald Trump and Dorishlo Trump.

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Speaker 3: I listened these.

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Speaker 2: I have to joke because it's so hard to process

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Speaker 2: what a blessing from the Lord.

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Speaker 3: That something like that could happen. He would be willing

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Speaker 3: to do that, so that that means so much to me.

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Speaker 3: And thanks for mentioning it. It's extraordinary. I praise God.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing and we were in Israel together years ago.

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Speaker 4: We went on a trip to Israel and we were

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Speaker 4: given the opportunity to meet with Benjamin Netanyahu a large

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Speaker 4: group of US, and he spoke to us, and I

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Speaker 4: was asked to ask a question. Do you remember that

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Speaker 4: the Prime minister? A question preloaded in my brain? And

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Speaker 4: then the guy who said you should ask a question

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Speaker 4: of the prime minister said you should ask this. So

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Speaker 4: I traded to combine the two questions, and I asked it,

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Speaker 4: and then Yahuo looked at me and said, I don't

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Speaker 4: understand what you're asking me. One of the most embarrassing moments.

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Speaker 3: When I had the gift is a special gift in

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Speaker 3: our friendship of sharing tremendously embarrassing moments with each other

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Speaker 3: with heads of state, with President Trump, with Netanyahu.

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Speaker 1: Well, someone's got to do it.

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Speaker 3: I get I guess so, but it's it's funny, at

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Speaker 3: least to us. It's funny. Yeah, no, I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the question though.

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Speaker 4: Well I don't really either, and we're going to try

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Speaker 4: to forget it now. So this new book revolution, would

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Speaker 4: you You didn't call it American revolution, You just called

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Speaker 4: it revolution.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess I should say first that I

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Speaker 2: wanted to write a definitive book about the American Revolution,

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Speaker 2: about what happened two and fifty years ago.

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Speaker 3: That was my goal.

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Speaker 2: And when I say that, I mean not a book

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Speaker 2: about the Christian roots of America, not just a book

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Speaker 2: that tells the story of the run up to Lexington

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Speaker 2: and Conquered and Bunker Hill and Washington, just to just

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Speaker 2: the story of the American Revolution. I said, this is

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Speaker 2: the two and fiftieth anniversary, which is the super centennial.

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Speaker 2: That's the term super Centennials on the cover of the book.

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Speaker 2: And that was all I wanted to do. And so

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Speaker 2: I thought to write a definitive book on the American Revolution.

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Speaker 2: The titles should just be the American Revolution, whatever. But

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Speaker 2: as I thought about it, I said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: the word American in this case is redundant. It's unnecessary

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Speaker 2: because there has only been one revolution in the history

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Speaker 2: American Revolution. And there are people that would have you believe, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: the French Revolution. The French Revolution is a failed nightmare.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to do theoretically, the same thing. But why

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Speaker 2: did their revolution end in a blood bath where they

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Speaker 2: Or the Bolshevik revolution which is satanic, or the Marxist

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Speaker 3: The world that said we are going to govern ourselves,

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Speaker 3: We're going to let the people govern and it actually worked.

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Speaker 2: And the reason for that is super simple. And I

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Speaker 3: I really understood this that.

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Speaker 2: In our revolution, the men of the revolution understood what

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Speaker 2: we're doing is we're going back to the Sinai Covenant.

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Speaker 2: We are going back This hasn't been done in three

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Speaker 3: They really understood that, and.

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Speaker 2: In the course of doing the research, I was astonished

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Speaker 2: it's clear, and I thought, this is amazing, and of

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Speaker 3: Succeeded, and so.

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Speaker 2: It really gave me a completely different view of America

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Speaker 2: in a way, and of the revolution. I said, this

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Speaker 2: is something that God allowed in history which had never

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Speaker 2: been done before. And we need to be filled with

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Speaker 2: gratitude that we get to live in a country where

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Speaker 2: we genuinely govern ourselves, and we have to take it seriously,

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Speaker 2: have to live into it. We can't take it for granted.

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Speaker 2: So that's a long answer. If you before the short answer,

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Speaker 2: I could give that also.

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Speaker 1: That was good.

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Speaker 4: Well, before there was a revolution, you might say, there

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Speaker 4: was a revelation, there was a work of the Holy Spirit,

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Speaker 4: and the colonies threw a man from England named George Whitfield. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and he had this incredibly powerful voice. He was hoping

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Speaker 4: to be a stage actor, and he was for a

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Speaker 4: period of time, but he came to Christ. His life

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Speaker 4: was radically changed, and he preached in England, actually was

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Speaker 1: Is that something.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you read that in my book probably dead, Yes,

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Speaker 2: in my previous book ten years ago, if you can

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Speaker 3: No, that's just a great book. He was, he was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's difficult to exaggerate about George Whitfield.

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Speaker 2: There was no evangelists in the history ever. I always

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Speaker 2: always I joke around that he makes the Apostle Paul

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Speaker 3: That's the level of wild man.

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Speaker 2: He appreached thousands and thousands and thousands of sermons, but

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Speaker 2: Great Awakening. So revival was kindled all up and down

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Speaker 2: the Thirteen Colonies. It changed things so dramatically that by

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Speaker 2: the time you get to the American Revolution, people were

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Speaker 2: ready to govern themselves. They basically said, we look to God,

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Speaker 2: And the leaders in the revolution understand we have a

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Speaker 2: And all the founders understood that idea, and I quoted

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Speaker 2: but basically it's it's useless unless you have a virtuous

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Speaker 2: then we can govern ourselves, and we can. You know,

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Speaker 2: our constitutional works otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Quote from Adam Swiss. Our constitution was made for a

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Speaker 4: moral and religious people. It's wholly inadequate for the government

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, true, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: It came from your book.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, but I mean it's an amazing quote. And

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Speaker 2: he's and he is not the only one that said that.

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Speaker 2: understood this very clearly. This is what we're doing. We're

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Speaker 2: going back to Sinai. We're going to do what hasn't

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Speaker 2: We have to humble ourselves before God. We want to

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Speaker 2: have a covenantal relationship that if we obey the Lord,

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Speaker 2: the Lord will bless us. If we do not obey

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Speaker 2: the Lord, he will not please. That was really vivid,

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Speaker 2: we've lived with, you know that oh they were deists,

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Speaker 1: Let's that, soloney, what is a deist?

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Speaker 2: A deist is basically someone who would say, oh, I

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Speaker 2: Christian so I believe in God. Well, you know, the

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Speaker 2: And so a lot of secular Historyans have dismissed a

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Speaker 4: God's really not involved in our lives. He perhaps say,

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Speaker 4: with acknowledge he created us. Yes, and the Bible is

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Speaker 4: But we as Christians believe that God, yes he created us,

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Speaker 4: And I think it's clear that God was leading these

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so interesting to me is that they

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Speaker 2: our prayers. Deis do not talk like that ever. That's

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Speaker 2: and so it's a total lie. And I have to

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Speaker 2: say it gets me angry when to the research. I thought,

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Speaker 3: Said, it really is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's ugly when you see historians taking a view distortion. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's intentional, and it confuses people and misleads people. And

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Speaker 2: so I didn't write this book to correct anything at all.

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Speaker 2: I just wrote the truth. But I was startled by

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Speaker 2: it was so obvious that they all believed this way.

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Speaker 2: a deist, Okay, but even Jefferson buys the idea that

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Speaker 2: He as did Benjamin Franklin, And Benjamin Franklin could not

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Speaker 2: be a deist. He wouldn't say at the Constitutional Convention that,

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Speaker 2: He knew that God is a god of history, and

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Speaker 2: maybe he didn't know when he was a younger man,

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Speaker 2: but he knew it later on.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: In fact, Benjamin Franklin pd key role in exploding the

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Speaker 4: ministry of George Whitfield publishing the sermons. I think maybe

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Speaker 4: Franklin was motivated a bit by the monetary game, but

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Speaker 4: So let's go back to George Washington. What a fascinating

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Speaker 4: He led the continental forces into victory, and that's a

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Speaker 1: The British Army led.

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Speaker 3: Well, my book doesn't go that far.

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Speaker 2: And again, I don't want anybody have the impression like

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Speaker 2: You could see that this was a man who well,

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Speaker 2: And Charles Lee and Horatio Gates. It's kind of funny

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Speaker 2: Now doesn't that tell you everything. Here's a humble man

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Speaker 4: And he never was shot on the battlefield. His horses

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Speaker 3: This is like amazing of July.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't John Adams the first occupant of the White House?

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Speaker 4: So why is he overlooked? I mean he was, he

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Speaker 1: He could have taken the credit until now. Until now.

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Speaker 2: No, It's kind of funny, Greg, because I didn't set

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Speaker 2: It's exactly like you know if if you know, you

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Speaker 2: But we need somebody to put together a document to

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Speaker 2: We need to broaden it. So he gets Jefferson to

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Speaker 2: I detail it because I was so fascinated. But even

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Speaker 3: But so it's so funny that even that line.

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Speaker 2: So this is not to take anything away really from Jefferson,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like after they declare independence they read Jefferson,

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Adam, Samuel Adams, you call him the

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Speaker 3: They all did, the father of the revolution.

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Speaker 2: He was the man, well, he was awake to all

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Speaker 2: public conflict. And he was the driver. I mean in

438
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Speaker 2: the seventeen sixties, you know, the after the French and

439
00:22:32,324 --> 00:22:35,685
Speaker 2: Indian War was when the British said, hey, we got

440
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Speaker 2: to you know, we've.

441
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Speaker 3: Just to say.

442
00:22:39,764 --> 00:22:41,885
Speaker 2: You know, if somebody says, how did the revolution start,

443
00:22:41,925 --> 00:22:45,565
Speaker 2: you'd say, well, the British fought the French and Indian War.

444
00:22:45,844 --> 00:22:48,205
Speaker 2: They won, They double the size of their empire, they

445
00:22:48,205 --> 00:22:50,564
Speaker 2: got Canada, they did all, you know, but they also

446
00:22:50,604 --> 00:22:53,765
Speaker 2: doubled their debt. And then they said in seventeen sixty

447
00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,605
Speaker 2: three sixty four, well we got to raise some money

448
00:22:55,645 --> 00:22:58,165
Speaker 2: from the colonists because we won the French and Indian War

449
00:22:58,205 --> 00:23:01,164
Speaker 2: and the over there, and so the colonists benefited, so

450
00:23:01,205 --> 00:23:04,205
Speaker 2: we need to tax them. So the colonists, the Americans said, well,

451
00:23:04,524 --> 00:23:06,364
Speaker 2: that's not quite true. First of all, we fought in

452
00:23:06,405 --> 00:23:08,964
Speaker 2: the war, we paid money towards the war, and then

453
00:23:09,004 --> 00:23:11,325
Speaker 2: the war didn't benefit us. It benefited the whole empire,

454
00:23:11,405 --> 00:23:16,964
Speaker 2: not just us. But the real issue was this issue

455
00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:18,764
Speaker 2: in the stamp tax and the sugar tax that the

456
00:23:19,604 --> 00:23:23,524
Speaker 2: British were for the first time asserting their power with

457
00:23:23,604 --> 00:23:27,244
Speaker 2: the colonists and saying, we are going to ask you

458
00:23:27,284 --> 00:23:29,205
Speaker 2: to pay these We're going to demand that you pay

459
00:23:29,205 --> 00:23:35,044
Speaker 2: this tax. And everything explodes because the Americans are very sensitive.

460
00:23:35,564 --> 00:23:38,284
Speaker 2: Our liberties come from God. We govern ourselves. You don't

461
00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:39,925
Speaker 2: have any right to tax us any more than any

462
00:23:39,965 --> 00:23:41,685
Speaker 2: thug with a gun says, give me your money.

463
00:23:42,604 --> 00:23:43,725
Speaker 3: We're not going to go with this.

464
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Speaker 2: So when that happens, Samuel Adams in Boston really leads

465
00:23:49,564 --> 00:23:55,004
Speaker 2: the whole thing, ginning up supports against the stamp tax.

466
00:23:55,844 --> 00:23:58,764
Speaker 2: He's the kind of you know, driving the propaganda, getting

467
00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:02,324
Speaker 2: the Bostonians and the people in the Massachusetts Assembly to

468
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:05,404
Speaker 2: push back hard against this I mean, he's the mastermind,

469
00:24:05,885 --> 00:24:09,204
Speaker 2: and he's the one that you know. There's other amazing figures.

470
00:24:09,244 --> 00:24:12,364
Speaker 2: I mean John Hancock, who knew. I never understood what

471
00:24:12,405 --> 00:24:16,605
Speaker 2: a hero he was. Doctor Joseph Warren, another gigantic hero.

472
00:24:16,685 --> 00:24:19,324
Speaker 3: Most of us don't know his names. It's shameful. And

473
00:24:19,365 --> 00:24:20,284
Speaker 3: I say this about myself.

474
00:24:20,284 --> 00:24:22,804
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, and I thought every American needs

475
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Speaker 2: to know these figures. But the chief among them is

476
00:24:26,125 --> 00:24:29,405
Speaker 2: Samuel Adams. He really was the driver of the whole thing.

477
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Speaker 4: And so another George in this narrative, there's George Whitfield,

478
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Speaker 4: there's George Washington. Then there's King George of England. Yeah,

479
00:24:36,604 --> 00:24:39,564
Speaker 4: and what was he thinking? I mean, did he have

480
00:24:39,725 --> 00:24:42,764
Speaker 4: any idea what was going on over here in the colonies?

481
00:24:43,165 --> 00:24:46,564
Speaker 1: And why would he go to war against them?

482
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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of funny. There's a chapter in the

483
00:24:49,564 --> 00:24:53,885
Speaker 2: book where I write about John Wesley. Yes, John Wesley

484
00:24:54,004 --> 00:24:57,884
Speaker 2: writes a letter to Lord Dartmouth. Lord Dartmouth was the

485
00:24:59,244 --> 00:25:03,764
Speaker 2: secretary for the colonies, and just as and I'll come

486
00:25:03,804 --> 00:25:09,884
Speaker 2: back to George more about your But just after Lexington

487
00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:14,084
Speaker 2: and conquered, John Wesley writes this letter to Lord Dartmouth.

488
00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:17,564
Speaker 2: Now Lord Dartmouth is an evangelical, So there's very few,

489
00:25:17,645 --> 00:25:23,445
Speaker 2: if any evangelicals. Elite British society was very godless, very irreligious,

490
00:25:23,804 --> 00:25:28,284
Speaker 2: mocking of religion. So Lord Dartmouth stood out as an evangelical.

491
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Speaker 2: So John Wesley writes to him and basically says, is

492
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Speaker 2: this wise that.

493
00:25:33,165 --> 00:25:34,044
Speaker 3: We're going to war?

494
00:25:34,365 --> 00:25:36,604
Speaker 2: You know, even if you take the side of the

495
00:25:36,685 --> 00:25:38,644
Speaker 2: king and the Parliament, is this wisdom for us to

496
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Speaker 2: go to war with them? And then he says, remember

497
00:25:42,125 --> 00:25:46,565
Speaker 2: real boom and he brings up Ria Bohm and other

498
00:25:46,685 --> 00:25:49,764
Speaker 2: examples not just from the scriptures. But you know that

499
00:25:49,885 --> 00:25:53,004
Speaker 2: in their arrogance they lost I mean, you know the

500
00:25:53,044 --> 00:25:54,004
Speaker 2: story better than I do.

501
00:25:55,004 --> 00:25:55,525
Speaker 3: So there's a.

502
00:25:55,484 --> 00:25:58,804
Speaker 2: Sense that the British are out of touch and arrogant

503
00:25:59,205 --> 00:26:01,405
Speaker 2: and that they're going to lose everything in their arrogance,

504
00:26:01,405 --> 00:26:04,885
Speaker 2: their foolishness. But to me, the clear case is it's

505
00:26:04,925 --> 00:26:07,484
Speaker 2: just like Pharaoh. I mean, I say, like, hey, if

506
00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:10,085
Speaker 2: you were a buddy of Pharaoh's after three plagues, you'd

507
00:26:10,084 --> 00:26:12,804
Speaker 2: be like, hey, Pharaoh, you know I listen. I'm just

508
00:26:12,844 --> 00:26:14,565
Speaker 2: getting a sense this is not going to go well

509
00:26:14,604 --> 00:26:16,604
Speaker 2: for you. These three plagues have been pretty bad. I

510
00:26:16,604 --> 00:26:18,685
Speaker 2: think there might be more. And if I were you,

511
00:26:18,764 --> 00:26:21,965
Speaker 2: I would just I'd let him go. I'd let his

512
00:26:22,084 --> 00:26:25,844
Speaker 2: people go, trust me, And Pharaoh would say, no, I

513
00:26:25,925 --> 00:26:28,124
Speaker 2: don't think so, I don't think so I know better.

514
00:26:28,804 --> 00:26:31,444
Speaker 2: God hardened Pharaoh's heart. I see the same thing when

515
00:26:31,524 --> 00:26:34,685
Speaker 2: my book on Luther the Vatican. I mean, the pope

516
00:26:34,725 --> 00:26:39,524
Speaker 2: at the time behaved preposterously. He should have understood this.

517
00:26:39,445 --> 00:26:40,405
Speaker 3: Is not going to go well.

518
00:26:40,645 --> 00:26:43,484
Speaker 2: You know, just as Ria Bohm lost ten tribes, and

519
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:48,644
Speaker 2: just as if you don't see things clearly, if you're foolish,

520
00:26:48,725 --> 00:26:52,004
Speaker 2: you can make tremendous mistakes. So we see that with Pharaoh.

521
00:26:52,165 --> 00:26:55,445
Speaker 2: You see that with Pope Leo, the Pope Leo the

522
00:26:55,445 --> 00:26:59,004
Speaker 2: fifth or tenth. Sorry, but I mean in the time

523
00:26:59,044 --> 00:27:01,684
Speaker 2: of Luther that you would think that people around him

524
00:27:01,685 --> 00:27:04,564
Speaker 2: would have said, hey, hey, Luther's making a lot of

525
00:27:04,604 --> 00:27:09,644
Speaker 2: good points here, he's trying to help us, And somehow

526
00:27:10,365 --> 00:27:13,284
Speaker 2: he didn't get that, and so he almost drives Luther

527
00:27:13,844 --> 00:27:16,925
Speaker 2: to this point. That's what you see with King George.

528
00:27:17,324 --> 00:27:18,244
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.

529
00:27:18,645 --> 00:27:20,364
Speaker 1: It was all orchestrated by the Lord.

530
00:27:20,445 --> 00:27:23,965
Speaker 2: Ultimately, ultimately, yes, yes, I do, and I think that,

531
00:27:24,564 --> 00:27:27,564
Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny because there was no way

532
00:27:28,004 --> 00:27:30,685
Speaker 2: they needed to lose the colonies. This is never inevitable.

533
00:27:30,725 --> 00:27:33,685
Speaker 2: In fact, nobody in the colonies wanted to break away.

534
00:27:33,844 --> 00:27:37,845
Speaker 2: I mean nobody, None of them wanted to break away.

535
00:27:37,885 --> 00:27:41,324
Speaker 2: It's just they got more and more the British paid

536
00:27:41,365 --> 00:27:44,244
Speaker 2: more and more foolishly and drove them and drove them.

537
00:27:44,524 --> 00:27:45,844
Speaker 2: But it's a lot again, it's a lot like the

538
00:27:45,844 --> 00:27:47,844
Speaker 2: story of Martin Luther, where he just got more and

539
00:27:47,844 --> 00:27:51,204
Speaker 2: more angry because he was treated more and more poorly,

540
00:27:51,445 --> 00:27:53,365
Speaker 2: over and over and over. And you know, he thought,

541
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:57,324
Speaker 2: I've run out of ability to you know, now, I

542
00:27:57,324 --> 00:27:59,365
Speaker 2: guess I have to break away, but I didn't want

543
00:27:59,405 --> 00:28:04,165
Speaker 2: to do that. Ever, the thirteen colonies, the leaders, none

544
00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:07,564
Speaker 2: of them was talking about independence ever, and even to

545
00:28:07,604 --> 00:28:09,525
Speaker 2: the very end many of them.

546
00:28:09,764 --> 00:28:10,965
Speaker 3: Didn't want independence.

547
00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:13,524
Speaker 2: So it's kind of amazing that King George the Third

548
00:28:13,925 --> 00:28:18,284
Speaker 2: could be so myopic foolish. But also, and this gets

549
00:28:18,284 --> 00:28:19,645
Speaker 2: to one of the big themes of the book, which

550
00:28:19,645 --> 00:28:20,244
Speaker 2: again I didn't know.

551
00:28:20,244 --> 00:28:23,004
Speaker 3: Until I did the research. The British really were the.

552
00:28:22,965 --> 00:28:27,084
Speaker 2: Bad guys, in the sense that the Americans were largely like,

553
00:28:27,244 --> 00:28:30,884
Speaker 2: really Christian, and the British were really godless. The British

554
00:28:30,925 --> 00:28:34,845
Speaker 2: elites were really sneering at religion and everything that goes

555
00:28:34,844 --> 00:28:36,604
Speaker 2: along with that. So you think about it. So the

556
00:28:36,604 --> 00:28:41,005
Speaker 2: British elites were very cynical, they were very corrupt, and

557
00:28:41,084 --> 00:28:44,165
Speaker 2: King George the Third, who was not a particularly evil man,

558
00:28:44,245 --> 00:28:49,765
Speaker 2: but the corruption, he had the money to pay off

559
00:28:49,805 --> 00:28:53,205
Speaker 2: people to vote his way. So even the check and

560
00:28:53,285 --> 00:28:56,245
Speaker 2: balance that Parliament could have been, he just bought the

561
00:28:56,325 --> 00:28:58,965
Speaker 2: votes that he wanted to continue the war. So it

562
00:28:59,045 --> 00:29:03,125
Speaker 2: really is amazing how corruption and cynicism and godlessness and

563
00:29:03,205 --> 00:29:06,685
Speaker 2: sin made this happen, something I had never seen within.

564
00:29:06,844 --> 00:29:11,725
Speaker 4: King George ultimately say, if once Washington, once America, once

565
00:29:11,725 --> 00:29:15,084
Speaker 4: we won the war in Washington was the first president,

566
00:29:15,645 --> 00:29:17,924
Speaker 4: didn't he say something to the effective he doesn't make

567
00:29:18,005 --> 00:29:18,725
Speaker 4: himself king.

568
00:29:19,604 --> 00:29:20,805
Speaker 1: What was that exactly?

569
00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:22,124
Speaker 3: Well, we don't know exactly.

570
00:29:22,205 --> 00:29:23,765
Speaker 2: In the end of the book I write about this

571
00:29:24,045 --> 00:29:27,444
Speaker 2: where there are two examps, two cases, where in one

572
00:29:27,445 --> 00:29:28,965
Speaker 2: of the cases he said, and we don't know which

573
00:29:29,005 --> 00:29:32,165
Speaker 2: it was, But the bottom line is he saw that

574
00:29:32,965 --> 00:29:37,364
Speaker 2: George Washington really believed in these principles. And this is

575
00:29:37,405 --> 00:29:40,245
Speaker 2: to me the key through the whole thing. The British

576
00:29:40,365 --> 00:29:43,245
Speaker 2: never believed and we've all met people like this, right.

577
00:29:43,285 --> 00:29:45,125
Speaker 3: People are like, yeah, come on, I know what you're

578
00:29:45,165 --> 00:29:46,005
Speaker 3: really thinking. Greg.

579
00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,245
Speaker 2: They don't really believe that you believe what you say

580
00:29:48,285 --> 00:29:50,725
Speaker 2: you believe, like, yeah, come on, come on, push comes

581
00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:52,405
Speaker 2: to show if you're gonna do what everybody else does,

582
00:29:52,844 --> 00:29:55,205
Speaker 2: and you say, well, no, I actually have principles. I

583
00:29:55,245 --> 00:29:56,845
Speaker 2: actually fear God, I'm going to do the right thing.

584
00:29:58,005 --> 00:30:02,445
Speaker 2: King George was aghast that George Washington really believed this stuff,

585
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:04,565
Speaker 2: and that when he had the opportunity and many people

586
00:30:04,565 --> 00:30:07,844
Speaker 2: would say the right to to say, okay, I have

587
00:30:08,125 --> 00:30:10,884
Speaker 2: done everything, so of course you're going to make me

588
00:30:11,005 --> 00:30:14,285
Speaker 2: king and I'll be a good king, he says, no,

589
00:30:14,325 --> 00:30:15,084
Speaker 2: I don't want any of it.

590
00:30:15,125 --> 00:30:16,684
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to my farm.

591
00:30:16,844 --> 00:30:19,765
Speaker 2: Yes, like Cincinnatus and his plow, the story of the

592
00:30:20,445 --> 00:30:23,765
Speaker 2: Roman Senator, I mean King George the Third that if

593
00:30:23,765 --> 00:30:26,965
Speaker 2: this is true, he is the greatest character of the age.

594
00:30:27,645 --> 00:30:30,725
Speaker 2: So King George, you know, in time, came to see

595
00:30:30,765 --> 00:30:33,445
Speaker 2: that that didn't virtue in this man.

596
00:30:34,604 --> 00:30:36,685
Speaker 3: Like I'm astonished. He was astonished.

597
00:30:37,285 --> 00:30:39,604
Speaker 4: It's really sad, you know, when you think of George

598
00:30:39,645 --> 00:30:44,045
Speaker 4: Washington leading our troops into battle, winning the Revolutionary War,

599
00:30:44,165 --> 00:30:47,164
Speaker 4: becoming our first president, and I think they wanted them

600
00:30:47,205 --> 00:30:49,364
Speaker 4: to serve another term. But he wanted to retire to

601
00:30:49,405 --> 00:30:53,005
Speaker 4: his farm. And he's just how riding around on his

602
00:30:53,084 --> 00:30:56,965
Speaker 4: farm and he it reigns and his coat is damp

603
00:30:57,045 --> 00:30:59,765
Speaker 4: and he comes home and their medical care back in

604
00:30:59,805 --> 00:31:01,165
Speaker 4: those days, it's pretty pathetic.

605
00:31:01,325 --> 00:31:02,245
Speaker 1: Let's bleed him.

606
00:31:02,285 --> 00:31:05,325
Speaker 4: Now, let's take the blood, because that was actually part

607
00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:07,924
Speaker 4: of what they didn't. Oh yea, and the way he died,

608
00:31:08,245 --> 00:31:11,644
Speaker 4: even that was not poetic because it's tragic.

609
00:31:11,685 --> 00:31:14,364
Speaker 1: He died at a younger age. But everything about his

610
00:31:14,604 --> 00:31:16,725
Speaker 1: life is just unique.

611
00:31:17,365 --> 00:31:19,165
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's clear.

612
00:31:19,125 --> 00:31:22,925
Speaker 1: This purpose in this generation in the Lord calls him home.

613
00:31:23,165 --> 00:31:26,205
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And you know, if you're not a believer,

614
00:31:26,765 --> 00:31:29,725
Speaker 2: you think, oh, how sad, But if you believe in Jesus,

615
00:31:29,765 --> 00:31:31,645
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh, he gets to go to Glory,

616
00:31:31,805 --> 00:31:35,805
Speaker 2: which is way better than Mount Vernon, even better than

617
00:31:35,844 --> 00:31:36,364
Speaker 2: Mount Vernon.

618
00:31:36,405 --> 00:31:37,364
Speaker 1: You've been to Mount Vernon.

619
00:31:38,325 --> 00:31:40,205
Speaker 3: I haven't been to Glory, but I've been to Mount Vernon.

620
00:31:40,325 --> 00:31:45,245
Speaker 4: Yes, we went there and we took the tour, and

621
00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:48,205
Speaker 4: there was such a bias and I would call a

622
00:31:48,285 --> 00:31:52,164
Speaker 4: wokeness of course, to the whole presentation, really missing the

623
00:31:52,245 --> 00:31:56,485
Speaker 4: point completely missing the faith element of Washington's life. I mean,

624
00:31:56,525 --> 00:31:59,285
Speaker 4: it was non existent, and I felt they did a

625
00:31:59,365 --> 00:32:00,644
Speaker 4: disservice to his memory.

626
00:32:01,525 --> 00:32:06,884
Speaker 2: That's putting it graciously. It's scandalous. It's vile that they

627
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:11,245
Speaker 2: are pushing these lies. They're lies, that these are not

628
00:32:11,525 --> 00:32:13,285
Speaker 2: sort of lies, they're lies.

629
00:32:13,325 --> 00:32:13,525
Speaker 1: There.

630
00:32:13,525 --> 00:32:17,965
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's willful ignorance. They don't want to

631
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:22,364
Speaker 2: know the truth. Willful truth makes them uncomfortable. And so

632
00:32:22,885 --> 00:32:25,845
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I didn't write my book to correct.

633
00:32:25,565 --> 00:32:27,405
Speaker 3: All this stuff, but it does.

634
00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:30,965
Speaker 2: It's just if you tell the truth, it pushes against

635
00:32:31,005 --> 00:32:32,565
Speaker 2: stuff that we've been hearing our whole lives.

636
00:32:32,765 --> 00:32:37,644
Speaker 4: You didn't set out to write a Christian book America. No,

637
00:32:37,885 --> 00:32:41,165
Speaker 4: you set out to write a book about the Revolutionary War,

638
00:32:41,245 --> 00:32:44,045
Speaker 4: how America came to be. But it turns out it's

639
00:32:44,084 --> 00:32:48,364
Speaker 4: a very Christian story because God was at work all throughout.

640
00:32:48,365 --> 00:32:50,685
Speaker 3: It's it's inescapable. And so I think that.

641
00:32:50,805 --> 00:32:52,685
Speaker 2: But you know, this is a book I hope people

642
00:32:52,685 --> 00:32:55,005
Speaker 2: will give to anybody. This is not you know, don't

643
00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:57,844
Speaker 2: just give it to your Christian friends. But I think

644
00:32:58,325 --> 00:33:02,725
Speaker 2: it's Look, it's simply true. It's not Christian history. It's

645
00:33:02,844 --> 00:33:05,964
Speaker 2: history that's right, and history speaks for itself and it

646
00:33:06,045 --> 00:33:08,245
Speaker 2: is what it is. But I think there are a

647
00:33:08,245 --> 00:33:10,565
Speaker 2: lot of people, if they're honest, they're going to read

648
00:33:10,565 --> 00:33:12,205
Speaker 2: it and they're going to think, you know what, I

649
00:33:12,245 --> 00:33:13,684
Speaker 2: didn't know this, I never heard this.

650
00:33:13,805 --> 00:33:15,364
Speaker 3: Why have I never heard this? You know?

651
00:33:15,525 --> 00:33:19,364
Speaker 2: And it's important that we know this. It's not a

652
00:33:19,405 --> 00:33:23,525
Speaker 2: side issue. It's central to everything. America cannot go forward, Yes,

653
00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:28,245
Speaker 2: unless we understand who we are, unless we understand our founding,

654
00:33:28,285 --> 00:33:30,525
Speaker 2: unless we understand the men of the founding saw this

655
00:33:30,565 --> 00:33:34,285
Speaker 2: as an explicitly Christian project, what they were doing.

656
00:33:34,405 --> 00:33:37,164
Speaker 3: That's not just a couple of them. They all understood that.

657
00:33:37,565 --> 00:33:39,805
Speaker 4: I think some would want to say today, if you

658
00:33:39,965 --> 00:33:45,164
Speaker 4: believe in the inniqueness of America, that God has a

659
00:33:45,245 --> 00:33:48,604
Speaker 4: plan for us, that you're a Christian nationalist, which to

660
00:33:48,685 --> 00:33:53,325
Speaker 4: me is just an artificial term created to create a

661
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:57,605
Speaker 4: category for people that are patriots and believe that God

662
00:33:57,765 --> 00:34:00,685
Speaker 4: established this country. But think about this, Imagine a world

663
00:34:00,765 --> 00:34:05,685
Speaker 4: without America, the difference that we have made historically. Well,

664
00:34:05,685 --> 00:34:07,565
Speaker 4: I mean, what would have happened in World War Two

665
00:34:07,925 --> 00:34:10,405
Speaker 4: if there was not a United States? Speaking of England,

666
00:34:10,844 --> 00:34:15,045
Speaker 4: they were on their heels. Winston Churchill courageously was holding

667
00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:19,885
Speaker 4: his ground that France had already capitulated, and as had Poland.

668
00:34:20,125 --> 00:34:22,925
Speaker 4: And there's Churchill fighting for his life. But you know,

669
00:34:22,965 --> 00:34:25,924
Speaker 4: the United States stepped in and it changed it. Think

670
00:34:25,965 --> 00:34:29,885
Speaker 4: about the Holocaust, think about what's happening to the Jewish people.

671
00:34:30,605 --> 00:34:33,845
Speaker 4: We have our flaws, every nation does. But I believe

672
00:34:33,885 --> 00:34:37,405
Speaker 4: in American exceptionalism. I believe God established this station.

673
00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:41,165
Speaker 2: I agree, and I don't think, yeah, I.

674
00:34:41,165 --> 00:34:42,525
Speaker 3: Don't think it's debatable.

675
00:34:42,605 --> 00:34:45,485
Speaker 2: I mean, from my point of view, it's simply not debatable.

676
00:34:45,525 --> 00:34:50,085
Speaker 2: And there are plenty people, even people probably friends of ours, evangelicals,

677
00:34:50,125 --> 00:34:52,845
Speaker 2: they love Jesus, but they don't like the idea of

678
00:34:52,885 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 2: celebrating America. To them, they think, oh, we're under judgment

679
00:34:56,205 --> 00:34:58,925
Speaker 2: and I'm about the Kingdom of God. And I think, no, no, no,

680
00:34:58,965 --> 00:35:01,685
Speaker 2: If you're about the Kingdom of God, you know, it's

681
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:03,605
Speaker 2: kind of like saying I'm about Jesus, so I don't

682
00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:06,325
Speaker 2: love my wife. Yeah, if you loved Jesus, you love

683
00:35:06,365 --> 00:35:09,805
Speaker 2: your family more. If you love Jesus, you can love

684
00:35:09,805 --> 00:35:12,525
Speaker 2: your country more wherever you are. And I think if

685
00:35:12,565 --> 00:35:14,805
Speaker 2: you look at God's hand, I mean, the whole idea

686
00:35:14,805 --> 00:35:19,965
Speaker 2: of the Reformation. That to me looks like providential dispensation history,

687
00:35:20,045 --> 00:35:25,525
Speaker 2: God moving in history and then having this continent discovered

688
00:35:25,525 --> 00:35:28,245
Speaker 2: by Europeans, so that when the Reformation happens and you

689
00:35:28,245 --> 00:35:32,565
Speaker 2: have all these people dissenting from the established religions in Europe,

690
00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:35,045
Speaker 2: that they have a place to go and to be

691
00:35:35,205 --> 00:35:37,645
Speaker 2: free and to govern themselves, and then one hundred and

692
00:35:37,685 --> 00:35:41,125
Speaker 2: something years in the future they band together and create

693
00:35:41,165 --> 00:35:44,924
Speaker 2: a nation based on those ideas. I mean to say, oh, yeah,

694
00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:46,005
Speaker 2: it just happened, you know that.

695
00:35:46,165 --> 00:35:46,364
Speaker 1: Listen.

696
00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:47,925
Speaker 2: There are plenty of people who believe the same big

697
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:50,485
Speaker 2: thing about Israel. Like I, Listen, it just happened. It's

698
00:35:50,485 --> 00:35:52,885
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with God. And I think you

699
00:35:52,925 --> 00:35:54,845
Speaker 2: can have a lot of different views on Israel. But

700
00:35:54,925 --> 00:35:59,485
Speaker 2: if you don't see God's hand that after thousands of years,

701
00:36:00,085 --> 00:36:02,645
Speaker 2: he brings these people together in the land whatever I mean,

702
00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:05,245
Speaker 2: make of it what you will. But to say it's

703
00:36:05,285 --> 00:36:07,325
Speaker 2: no big deal or God had nothing to do with

704
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:10,485
Speaker 2: it seems preposterous. And I feel the same way about

705
00:36:10,525 --> 00:36:12,405
Speaker 2: the story of the United States of America. It just

706
00:36:12,445 --> 00:36:17,445
Speaker 2: seems ridiculous that you would not see God's hand in that.

707
00:36:17,565 --> 00:36:19,565
Speaker 2: But again, there are a lot of people that's just

708
00:36:19,685 --> 00:36:22,285
Speaker 2: out of bounds. They can't handle it. But again, there

709
00:36:22,285 --> 00:36:24,005
Speaker 2: are a lot of Christians that have that view that

710
00:36:24,045 --> 00:36:26,045
Speaker 2: they say, I'm about a kingdom, I don't care about America,

711
00:36:26,085 --> 00:36:29,884
Speaker 2: and I think they're I simply think they're theologically and

712
00:36:30,525 --> 00:36:32,125
Speaker 2: historically mistaken in that few.

713
00:36:32,205 --> 00:36:34,045
Speaker 4: Well, maybe your book will help to correct that for

714
00:36:34,365 --> 00:36:36,685
Speaker 4: a lot of people, I hope will tell us. About

715
00:36:36,725 --> 00:36:40,125
Speaker 4: Patrick Kendrick, we remember, of course this famous statement give

716
00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:42,805
Speaker 4: me liberty or give me death. That there's a lot

717
00:36:42,805 --> 00:36:44,085
Speaker 4: to his story, isn't there.

718
00:36:44,205 --> 00:36:44,765
Speaker 3: Well, there's so.

719
00:36:45,085 --> 00:36:47,405
Speaker 2: This is what's so interesting is like I keep saying that,

720
00:36:47,765 --> 00:36:49,965
Speaker 2: you know, if you went to mainStreet, America nineteen sixty,

721
00:36:50,005 --> 00:36:53,165
Speaker 2: everybody knew all these characters, could tell you all about them,

722
00:36:53,405 --> 00:36:55,725
Speaker 2: tell you all the stories, whatever. And we have forgotten that.

723
00:36:55,885 --> 00:36:58,525
Speaker 2: And that is a horror and a shame. And it

724
00:36:58,605 --> 00:37:01,445
Speaker 2: is central to going forward that we know this stuff.

725
00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:03,964
Speaker 2: And Patrick Henry is one of these classic figures. First

726
00:37:04,005 --> 00:37:06,765
Speaker 2: of all, like almost everybody in the book, he was

727
00:37:06,845 --> 00:37:11,765
Speaker 2: a serious Christian. It's amazing, and the Great Awakening affected

728
00:37:11,845 --> 00:37:14,725
Speaker 2: him in Virginia. We think the Great Awakening it was northeast, no, no, no,

729
00:37:15,005 --> 00:37:19,364
Speaker 2: in Virginia and so he took on this thing called

730
00:37:19,405 --> 00:37:24,245
Speaker 2: the Parsons cause. But it really this stuff was going on. Well,

731
00:37:24,405 --> 00:37:26,125
Speaker 2: it's kind of complicated. I don't want to get it's

732
00:37:26,165 --> 00:37:28,005
Speaker 2: down a rabbit trail, but the bottom line is that

733
00:37:28,365 --> 00:37:34,205
Speaker 2: there were threats to freedom, you know, going back, that

734
00:37:34,245 --> 00:37:36,805
Speaker 2: the British would would make these efforts and make these

735
00:37:36,885 --> 00:37:39,845
Speaker 2: laws and stuff. So it doesn't like explode until seventeen

736
00:37:39,885 --> 00:37:43,045
Speaker 2: sixty five, but even before that. And so Patrick Henry

737
00:37:43,605 --> 00:37:47,845
Speaker 2: was a fiery orator, an amazing orator. I mean, so

738
00:37:47,925 --> 00:37:51,765
Speaker 2: he did extremely well as a lawyer arguing cases, but

739
00:37:52,685 --> 00:37:55,245
Speaker 2: he also seems to have been a prophetic voice. I

740
00:37:55,285 --> 00:37:59,325
Speaker 2: think already in seventeen sixty five he becomes a member

741
00:37:59,365 --> 00:38:02,445
Speaker 2: of the House of Burgesses and he gives a speech

742
00:38:03,325 --> 00:38:07,645
Speaker 2: against the Stamp Act where he says things that nobody

743
00:38:07,645 --> 00:38:08,685
Speaker 2: else would dare to say.

744
00:38:08,765 --> 00:38:10,165
Speaker 1: Well, was the Stamp Act.

745
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:13,365
Speaker 2: The stamp I don't know. I thought you knew that one. Well, okay,

746
00:38:13,365 --> 00:38:15,845
Speaker 2: the Stamp Act, thank you for asking me that. The

747
00:38:15,965 --> 00:38:20,005
Speaker 2: Stamp Act was when the British realized, oh, we're going

748
00:38:20,045 --> 00:38:22,405
Speaker 2: to tax the colonies. They came up with this big

749
00:38:22,725 --> 00:38:24,925
Speaker 2: law called the Stamp Act, and that was simply, how

750
00:38:24,925 --> 00:38:27,205
Speaker 2: are we going to raise money. Well, we're going to

751
00:38:27,365 --> 00:38:31,165
Speaker 2: make the people in the thirteen colonies legally they can

752
00:38:31,245 --> 00:38:35,725
Speaker 2: only use official paper that we have stamped with the

753
00:38:35,805 --> 00:38:38,445
Speaker 2: royal stamp, and it's going to be more expensive, and

754
00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:41,005
Speaker 2: we're going to use that income to pay, you know,

755
00:38:41,165 --> 00:38:44,565
Speaker 2: down our debt or whatever. So every single piece of

756
00:38:44,645 --> 00:38:47,285
Speaker 2: paper that you would print, a newspaper, that you would

757
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:50,405
Speaker 2: print an almanact, that you would print, legal paper, whatever.

758
00:38:50,445 --> 00:38:54,045
Speaker 2: It was all official stamped paper and all kinds of

759
00:38:54,085 --> 00:38:58,245
Speaker 2: other stuff. And so, you know, the American colonist said, wow,

760
00:38:58,285 --> 00:39:00,565
Speaker 2: this is We're not we can't, We're not going to

761
00:39:00,645 --> 00:39:02,485
Speaker 2: do this. And also they saw it as a threat

762
00:39:03,325 --> 00:39:05,965
Speaker 2: to kind of you know it. This is going to

763
00:39:06,005 --> 00:39:08,565
Speaker 2: put some newspapers out of business here, you know. So

764
00:39:08,925 --> 00:39:12,245
Speaker 2: it was a threat to free speech. So that that

765
00:39:12,325 --> 00:39:16,364
Speaker 2: was a big thing. And so in seventeen sixty five,

766
00:39:17,485 --> 00:39:21,325
Speaker 2: Patrick Henry gives a famous speech. Then now he's most

767
00:39:21,365 --> 00:39:24,285
Speaker 2: famous for his seventeen seventy five speech, and he says,

768
00:39:24,325 --> 00:39:27,125
Speaker 2: give me liberty or give me death. But he gives

769
00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:31,525
Speaker 2: a speech in seventeen sixty five where he's already like

770
00:39:31,845 --> 00:39:35,085
Speaker 2: pushing things as far as they can go saying things

771
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:37,365
Speaker 2: that a lot of people, even the House of Burgesses,

772
00:39:37,405 --> 00:39:39,645
Speaker 2: for things, Oh that's treason us, hey, pal you know,

773
00:39:39,765 --> 00:39:43,085
Speaker 2: watch it, watch it. But he followed the logic that

774
00:39:43,205 --> 00:39:46,045
Speaker 2: if they're trying to do this, what they're doing is

775
00:39:46,125 --> 00:39:48,525
Speaker 2: wrong and we must oppose it. And this gets to

776
00:39:49,485 --> 00:39:54,485
Speaker 2: Romans thirteen. The Puritans, the Christians in the Thirteen Colonies,

777
00:39:54,525 --> 00:39:58,525
Speaker 2: most of them understood that if the government says do

778
00:39:58,725 --> 00:40:02,325
Speaker 2: something Romans thirteen doesn't mean Okay, we better do it,

779
00:40:02,445 --> 00:40:03,844
Speaker 2: you know, any more than we're going to bow down

780
00:40:03,845 --> 00:40:07,125
Speaker 2: to Nemeginezzer or say, hey, Hayman's a great guy, whatever

781
00:40:07,165 --> 00:40:10,445
Speaker 2: he says. You know, they had that wisdom. But that

782
00:40:10,605 --> 00:40:12,725
Speaker 2: was coming from the Pulpits, and it's an amazing thing.

783
00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:16,685
Speaker 2: There was a famous Boston preacher named Jonathan Mayhew in

784
00:40:16,725 --> 00:40:20,165
Speaker 2: seventeen fifty says it all comes out of this pure

785
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:23,645
Speaker 2: in theology. He preaches a sermon exactly about this, about

786
00:40:23,685 --> 00:40:28,485
Speaker 2: disobeying government but obeying God right. And John Adams said

787
00:40:28,485 --> 00:40:31,565
Speaker 2: that that sermon by Jonathan masrom seventeen fifty was read

788
00:40:31,645 --> 00:40:35,445
Speaker 2: by everybody, was printed, everybody had gotten the memo. So

789
00:40:35,485 --> 00:40:37,565
Speaker 2: the Americans were awake to this idea that because of

790
00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:42,005
Speaker 2: our Christian faith, we will not tolerate tyranny. We will

791
00:40:42,005 --> 00:40:45,925
Speaker 2: not tolerate you know, man demanding something. We're gonna obey

792
00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:48,525
Speaker 2: God instead of man. And so that was coming from

793
00:40:48,565 --> 00:40:51,925
Speaker 2: the Pulpits and Patrick Henry he's a good example of that.

794
00:40:52,045 --> 00:40:55,805
Speaker 4: Basically, what would the founding fathers think of America today?

795
00:40:56,525 --> 00:40:59,325
Speaker 4: The way that we're governing, the way that I think

796
00:40:59,365 --> 00:41:01,765
Speaker 4: there are some that would like to take us to

797
00:41:01,845 --> 00:41:06,325
Speaker 4: a place of tyranny, towards socialism, some even outright communism.

798
00:41:06,925 --> 00:41:09,325
Speaker 2: There is no doubt that I keep saying we're in

799
00:41:09,365 --> 00:41:12,005
Speaker 2: the third existential crisis of our history. The first is

800
00:41:12,045 --> 00:41:14,725
Speaker 2: the Revolution, the second is the Civil War. We are

801
00:41:14,725 --> 00:41:16,685
Speaker 2: now in the third existential crisis of our history. We're

802
00:41:16,725 --> 00:41:20,924
Speaker 2: dealing with forces that, if they win, America is over.

803
00:41:21,165 --> 00:41:23,685
Speaker 2: This is not about a slightly different version of America.

804
00:41:23,725 --> 00:41:27,005
Speaker 2: This is about America as it has existed, not existing.

805
00:41:27,125 --> 00:41:31,685
Speaker 2: So that's existential and the forces. I mean, look, you

806
00:41:31,725 --> 00:41:34,485
Speaker 2: know the Democratic Party, when the Democratic Party was you

807
00:41:34,525 --> 00:41:38,285
Speaker 2: know Tip O'Neil, Michael d'acacis dick getpart.

808
00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:39,965
Speaker 3: You know, we're not talking about that.

809
00:41:40,005 --> 00:41:44,245
Speaker 2: We're now talking about people that are openly advocating Marxist ideas,

810
00:41:44,325 --> 00:41:49,005
Speaker 2: ideas that are fundamentally against all of our founding documents.

811
00:41:49,005 --> 00:41:51,405
Speaker 3: I mean fundamentally, and we've not had that. That's a

812
00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:51,884
Speaker 3: big deal.

813
00:41:52,005 --> 00:41:54,965
Speaker 2: So to have a whole party effectively giving itself over that,

814
00:41:55,205 --> 00:41:57,685
Speaker 2: people need to get serious, like that's a big thing.

815
00:41:57,765 --> 00:41:59,845
Speaker 2: This is not a slight difference in our views on

816
00:42:00,245 --> 00:42:02,005
Speaker 2: how tax should go or something like that.

817
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:04,645
Speaker 4: I think that's a really important insight. And I can't

818
00:42:04,725 --> 00:42:08,405
Speaker 4: emphasize enough how important it is for us as Christians

819
00:42:08,445 --> 00:42:11,165
Speaker 4: to be informed of these issues and to get out

820
00:42:11,165 --> 00:42:14,565
Speaker 4: there and vote, you know, Christians alone, just the church,

821
00:42:15,085 --> 00:42:20,125
Speaker 4: if we would register and vote and educate ourselves biblically

822
00:42:20,165 --> 00:42:23,085
Speaker 4: because sometimes it said, well, vote your conscience. No, I

823
00:42:23,085 --> 00:42:26,085
Speaker 4: don't say vote your conscience. I say vote biblically, because

824
00:42:26,125 --> 00:42:29,645
Speaker 4: your conscience can mislead you depending on what you're reading,

825
00:42:29,685 --> 00:42:33,965
Speaker 4: what you're exposing yourself to. Think biblically, think clearly, and

826
00:42:34,085 --> 00:42:37,285
Speaker 4: vote for candidates that represent these values. That is the

827
00:42:37,285 --> 00:42:39,964
Speaker 4: way our nation was set up, and we've strayed so.

828
00:42:40,005 --> 00:42:40,445
Speaker 1: Far from that.

829
00:42:40,485 --> 00:42:44,685
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amen, Amen and amen. Yeah, Now that's something. As

830
00:42:44,725 --> 00:42:46,445
Speaker 3: you know, I've written a lot about that.

831
00:42:46,485 --> 00:42:48,085
Speaker 2: I wrote a book called Letter to the American Church,

832
00:42:48,085 --> 00:42:51,725
Speaker 2: because I've seen this happening in American churches and among

833
00:42:51,725 --> 00:42:55,805
Speaker 2: the evangelicals, and I thought, wow, these are not biblical ideas.

834
00:42:55,845 --> 00:42:57,205
Speaker 3: These are bad ideas.

835
00:42:56,925 --> 00:43:00,485
Speaker 2: Yes, but they are somehow convinced that this is right,

836
00:43:00,885 --> 00:43:03,765
Speaker 2: or that they're holier by not voting at all, or

837
00:43:03,845 --> 00:43:07,405
Speaker 2: anythink no, really mistaken. And it's funny because again, doing

838
00:43:07,405 --> 00:43:09,805
Speaker 2: the research on this book, I thought all of the

839
00:43:10,605 --> 00:43:13,645
Speaker 2: men in the pulpits at that time, they really got

840
00:43:13,645 --> 00:43:16,165
Speaker 2: that they drove this and they were the ones driving

841
00:43:16,845 --> 00:43:19,765
Speaker 2: the revolution basically, which is an astonishing thing.

842
00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:21,045
Speaker 1: That could be a really good book.

843
00:43:21,045 --> 00:43:24,325
Speaker 4: Your next book, The third existential crisis, I mean talking

844
00:43:24,365 --> 00:43:27,285
Speaker 4: about this, yeah, I mean the first being the Revolutionary War,

845
00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:30,005
Speaker 4: then the Civil War and what we're facing right now.

846
00:43:30,045 --> 00:43:32,485
Speaker 4: I don't know if people have both have woken up

847
00:43:32,525 --> 00:43:35,085
Speaker 4: to this, just see what we're really dealing with right now.

848
00:43:35,085 --> 00:43:37,805
Speaker 4: Maybe because it's been a little subtle, but it doesn't

849
00:43:37,845 --> 00:43:40,565
Speaker 4: seem subtle anymore. It's becoming quite overt.

850
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:43,565
Speaker 2: Well, the good news is that the more overt it gets,

851
00:43:43,805 --> 00:43:45,525
Speaker 2: the more people wake up. I think that there are

852
00:43:45,525 --> 00:43:48,005
Speaker 2: people that were not on our team that they're coming

853
00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:51,245
Speaker 2: on board. I just say it's you're on team reality.

854
00:43:51,365 --> 00:43:53,045
Speaker 2: You know, you don't need to believe in Jesus, you

855
00:43:53,045 --> 00:43:55,005
Speaker 2: don't need to believe, you don't need to be a Republican.

856
00:43:55,045 --> 00:43:58,005
Speaker 3: You just know a man cannot become a woman.

857
00:43:58,365 --> 00:43:59,285
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, but.

858
00:43:59,245 --> 00:44:00,965
Speaker 3: There are plenty of people, Oh, you can't say that. I

859
00:44:01,005 --> 00:44:02,485
Speaker 3: think a lot of people say, oh no, I could

860
00:44:02,525 --> 00:44:04,844
Speaker 3: say it. And it's true. A man cannot become a woman.

861
00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:05,805
Speaker 3: Woman cannot come man.

862
00:44:06,645 --> 00:44:12,445
Speaker 2: Islam is incompatible with Western or American or Biblical values.

863
00:44:12,485 --> 00:44:13,605
Speaker 3: That's a fact.

864
00:44:13,645 --> 00:44:17,845
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that my neighbor can't be a Muslim

865
00:44:17,965 --> 00:44:21,405
Speaker 2: or that we can't have a Muslims, but the concept

866
00:44:21,965 --> 00:44:25,005
Speaker 2: is not compatible. And we need to be aware that

867
00:44:25,085 --> 00:44:28,885
Speaker 2: if that gains ground in America, we will lose America.

868
00:44:28,965 --> 00:44:31,364
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's happening in Europe, they are

869
00:44:31,645 --> 00:44:34,485
Speaker 2: it's absolutely happening here. And why is it happening because

870
00:44:34,525 --> 00:44:36,485
Speaker 2: of a lack of cultural confidence. Because if you don't

871
00:44:36,525 --> 00:44:39,605
Speaker 2: believe anything, really, if you're just a secular person you

872
00:44:39,645 --> 00:44:42,405
Speaker 2: want to live your life, those guys will win. You

873
00:44:42,485 --> 00:44:45,005
Speaker 2: have to really believe in something, Like the men in

874
00:44:45,045 --> 00:44:47,445
Speaker 2: the Revolution said, we will fight for what is right

875
00:44:47,525 --> 00:44:49,685
Speaker 2: and true, and we believe we know is what is

876
00:44:49,765 --> 00:44:51,885
Speaker 2: right and true. We're not kind of like, who's to

877
00:44:51,885 --> 00:44:55,445
Speaker 2: say they believe that in the biblical ideas, they believed

878
00:44:55,445 --> 00:44:57,125
Speaker 2: in all that stuff, they took it seriously, and they

879
00:44:57,165 --> 00:44:58,965
Speaker 2: were willing to die for it.

880
00:44:59,005 --> 00:45:01,525
Speaker 3: And I think that that's why we owe them a debt.

881
00:45:01,605 --> 00:45:03,845
Speaker 2: We need to know their stories, we need to follow

882
00:45:03,845 --> 00:45:06,485
Speaker 2: in their footsteps and and say that I want to

883
00:45:06,485 --> 00:45:08,485
Speaker 2: know what's true, and I want to live for what's true,

884
00:45:08,525 --> 00:45:10,405
Speaker 2: and I want to be willing to die for what

885
00:45:10,485 --> 00:45:12,485
Speaker 2: is true. That's how the Lord wants us to live,

886
00:45:12,645 --> 00:45:16,765
Speaker 2: not to be indifferent to suffering and to misery around

887
00:45:16,805 --> 00:45:19,245
Speaker 2: the world, but to say, no, this is God's plan,

888
00:45:19,365 --> 00:45:22,925
Speaker 2: and I want to participate in that. And I think

889
00:45:23,125 --> 00:45:25,165
Speaker 2: many people have come very passive. But I think because

890
00:45:25,165 --> 00:45:28,765
Speaker 2: things have gotten so bad, many people have woken up.

891
00:45:29,085 --> 00:45:32,485
Speaker 2: And I'm so for that reason, I'm actually hopeful. We

892
00:45:32,485 --> 00:45:34,485
Speaker 2: were in a war. We're in a fight. But I

893
00:45:34,525 --> 00:45:36,765
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are awake to this. And

894
00:45:37,925 --> 00:45:39,405
Speaker 2: I keep saying, it's like if you went to George

895
00:45:39,445 --> 00:45:42,205
Speaker 2: Washington in seventeen seventy six and he said, look, I

896
00:45:42,245 --> 00:45:42,885
Speaker 2: know how it turns out.

897
00:45:42,925 --> 00:45:44,405
Speaker 3: You're going to win, right, you.

898
00:45:44,325 --> 00:45:47,325
Speaker 2: Know, he would say, well, okay, but in the meantime,

899
00:45:48,125 --> 00:45:51,525
Speaker 2: men are going to die, We're going to suffer, So

900
00:45:52,325 --> 00:45:54,844
Speaker 2: we still have to fight and pray and fight and

901
00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:57,205
Speaker 2: pray and fight and pray, and the Lord will give

902
00:45:57,245 --> 00:45:58,965
Speaker 2: us the victory when he wants to give us the victory.

903
00:45:58,965 --> 00:46:01,045
Speaker 2: But we don't just say, well, here's how it turns out,

904
00:46:01,085 --> 00:46:03,325
Speaker 2: and we're going to sit in our hands. So they

905
00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:07,965
Speaker 2: were really dedicated. It's really humbling to see they're dying

906
00:46:08,005 --> 00:46:10,884
Speaker 2: in a battlefield. We're asking people to go and just vote. Yeah,

907
00:46:10,925 --> 00:46:13,085
Speaker 2: how about we start there? Yeah, you know, we can

908
00:46:13,125 --> 00:46:15,005
Speaker 2: all do that, and we all have a voice in

909
00:46:15,085 --> 00:46:17,165
Speaker 2: this thinking. I know you didn't write about this in

910
00:46:17,205 --> 00:46:19,844
Speaker 2: your book, but who do I mean? I'm sure if

911
00:46:19,885 --> 00:46:24,325
Speaker 2: we were to categorize the greatest president's the most significant president,

912
00:46:24,445 --> 00:46:28,165
Speaker 2: certainly Washington would be number one. I think Lincoln, you

913
00:46:28,205 --> 00:46:31,725
Speaker 2: mentioned the Civil War number two? But maybe have more

914
00:46:31,925 --> 00:46:35,565
Speaker 2: modern presidents? Yeah, who would be individuals that stand out

915
00:46:35,605 --> 00:46:37,805
Speaker 2: to you that you thought maybe change the game?

916
00:46:38,685 --> 00:46:40,965
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, without a doubt, Reagan.

917
00:46:41,245 --> 00:46:44,725
Speaker 2: Yes, But at the top of the list I would

918
00:46:44,765 --> 00:46:53,525
Speaker 2: put President Trump. I honestly, I think I am astonished

919
00:46:53,885 --> 00:46:57,165
Speaker 2: by his courage. I'm absolutely astonished by his courage and

920
00:46:57,205 --> 00:47:02,605
Speaker 2: by his getting what Republicans before him didn't get and

921
00:47:02,845 --> 00:47:05,085
Speaker 2: they weren't fighting, and what we kind of put up with,

922
00:47:05,245 --> 00:47:06,685
Speaker 2: you know, we'd say, Oh, he's a great guy, he's

923
00:47:06,685 --> 00:47:08,964
Speaker 2: a great guy, and you realize they really weren't willing

924
00:47:08,965 --> 00:47:09,404
Speaker 2: to fight.

925
00:47:09,685 --> 00:47:11,885
Speaker 3: Yeah, they weren't. Really, they didn't. They didn't seem to

926
00:47:11,925 --> 00:47:13,325
Speaker 3: care that much.

927
00:47:13,445 --> 00:47:16,005
Speaker 2: And I feel that he has a proper sense of

928
00:47:16,085 --> 00:47:20,485
Speaker 2: outrage at injustice and doesn't care if if he's attacked

929
00:47:20,485 --> 00:47:21,325
Speaker 2: that he's going to fight.

930
00:47:21,365 --> 00:47:25,285
Speaker 4: And so there have been three assassination attempts on this president, absolutely,

931
00:47:25,285 --> 00:47:29,844
Speaker 4: and he knows that God preserved his life, especially.

932
00:47:29,325 --> 00:47:30,444
Speaker 3: I told him to his face.

933
00:47:30,485 --> 00:47:32,365
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't had a lot of opportunities to

934
00:47:32,605 --> 00:47:37,525
Speaker 2: uh to meet him, but one opportunity, I really felt

935
00:47:37,525 --> 00:47:39,445
Speaker 2: God wanted me to say that to him. And I

936
00:47:39,525 --> 00:47:41,525
Speaker 2: didn't doubt that many others have said it.

937
00:47:41,725 --> 00:47:45,765
Speaker 3: Yes, I know for a fact they have. Of course, yes, And.

938
00:47:45,725 --> 00:47:49,605
Speaker 4: Johnson told me that shortly after the president, the assassination

939
00:47:49,725 --> 00:47:54,005
Speaker 4: on the president in Pennsylvania, that he spent time with him,

940
00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:57,645
Speaker 4: and Mike is a very committed believer and he prayed

941
00:47:57,685 --> 00:48:00,965
Speaker 4: for the president, shared scripture with him, and because people

942
00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:03,605
Speaker 4: have said to me, why doesn't someone share the gospel

943
00:48:03,645 --> 00:48:07,525
Speaker 4: with President Trump? Because as he'll say things periodically, it

944
00:48:07,525 --> 00:48:11,165
Speaker 4: will say, wait what, But the Gospel has been shared

945
00:48:11,285 --> 00:48:13,165
Speaker 4: yes with the President.

946
00:48:13,045 --> 00:48:14,445
Speaker 1: Many many times.

947
00:48:14,445 --> 00:48:18,325
Speaker 4: And I even know of some very specific conversations happened

948
00:48:18,605 --> 00:48:21,485
Speaker 4: behind closed doors. And you know, people have asked me,

949
00:48:21,525 --> 00:48:25,125
Speaker 4: his President Trump a Christian? You know, that's for God

950
00:48:25,165 --> 00:48:28,325
Speaker 4: to decide. He's professed faith, he says he is. I

951
00:48:28,325 --> 00:48:30,805
Speaker 4: would not question that. But I can say this, and

952
00:48:30,885 --> 00:48:33,205
Speaker 4: you know that seric, you've been with him a different

953
00:48:33,245 --> 00:48:35,805
Speaker 4: settings where someone will say, maybe we pray for you,

954
00:48:35,885 --> 00:48:40,165
Speaker 4: mister President. And I really believe he welcomes that prayer.

955
00:48:40,445 --> 00:48:44,165
Speaker 4: I think he wants that prayer. And God has placed

956
00:48:44,245 --> 00:48:47,325
Speaker 4: him where he is for such a time as this,

957
00:48:47,885 --> 00:48:49,205
Speaker 4: and we should pray for him.

958
00:48:49,765 --> 00:48:53,725
Speaker 2: Well, I think I really think he gets that. I

959
00:48:53,765 --> 00:48:56,404
Speaker 2: think he senses that I do too, and I think

960
00:48:56,605 --> 00:49:00,085
Speaker 2: Washington sense that you know that you have a job

961
00:49:00,205 --> 00:49:04,245
Speaker 2: to Lincoln too, And obviously, yeah, and that's something that

962
00:49:04,285 --> 00:49:05,405
Speaker 2: we can hardly.

963
00:49:05,085 --> 00:49:06,805
Speaker 1: Eat and discuss it.

964
00:49:06,885 --> 00:49:11,285
Speaker 2: But it's just it seems it seems clear, and it

965
00:49:11,325 --> 00:49:16,205
Speaker 2: seems that he is himself awake to this existential crisis,

966
00:49:16,325 --> 00:49:19,125
Speaker 2: and he is fearless in dealing with it. And I

967
00:49:19,565 --> 00:49:21,645
Speaker 2: can't say how much I thank God for him, I

968
00:49:21,965 --> 00:49:23,685
Speaker 2: really do. And this doesn't you know, you always have

969
00:49:23,765 --> 00:49:26,205
Speaker 2: to say the caveat doesn't mean I agree with everything

970
00:49:26,245 --> 00:49:29,565
Speaker 2: you know, of course not. But my goodness, you know,

971
00:49:29,605 --> 00:49:31,605
Speaker 2: I don't think we need a UFC fight on the

972
00:49:31,605 --> 00:49:34,565
Speaker 2: White Law, on the huh, on the White House lot,

973
00:49:34,885 --> 00:49:39,005
Speaker 2: But my goodness, I just I think that he has

974
00:49:39,045 --> 00:49:42,445
Speaker 2: given a lot of Americans hope for our future, and

975
00:49:42,485 --> 00:49:46,285
Speaker 2: that before him it was just managed decline. We had

976
00:49:46,365 --> 00:49:50,485
Speaker 2: accepted that, and shame on our leaders, on the Republicans

977
00:49:50,605 --> 00:49:54,205
Speaker 2: especially for accepting that and not going to war against that.

978
00:49:54,805 --> 00:49:58,085
Speaker 2: What a gigantic failure. So yeah, I thank God for

979
00:49:58,125 --> 00:50:00,565
Speaker 2: the present moment. I think we are, you know, like

980
00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:05,085
Speaker 2: Washington in the midst of the war fighting, and I

981
00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:07,285
Speaker 2: think that if we fight God's way, and this was

982
00:50:07,365 --> 00:50:10,964
Speaker 2: very important to Washington, that we're going to fight God's way.

983
00:50:11,045 --> 00:50:13,205
Speaker 2: We're not just going to fight to win. We're going

984
00:50:13,285 --> 00:50:15,645
Speaker 2: to do the right thing, and God will bless us

985
00:50:15,645 --> 00:50:18,565
Speaker 2: if we do the right thing. And we need to

986
00:50:18,605 --> 00:50:22,685
Speaker 2: take that seriously. God is real so our nation, our nation.

987
00:50:22,645 --> 00:50:26,365
Speaker 4: Really is rooted in revival, and I think we really

988
00:50:26,445 --> 00:50:30,245
Speaker 4: need another revival. We've had for great spiritual awakenings in

989
00:50:30,325 --> 00:50:35,125
Speaker 4: American history. The less, interestingly enough, was called the Jesus Revolution.

990
00:50:35,245 --> 00:50:36,165
Speaker 3: Ever heard of that one?

991
00:50:36,645 --> 00:50:39,885
Speaker 4: And Time magazine coined that phrase because back when it

992
00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:42,525
Speaker 4: was happening, we called it the Jesus Movement. Yes, but

993
00:50:42,605 --> 00:50:46,885
Speaker 4: Time magazine thought it was revolutionary and they coined that phrase.

994
00:50:47,365 --> 00:50:52,005
Speaker 4: And it seems like we're really ready for another spiritual awakening.

995
00:50:52,405 --> 00:50:54,445
Speaker 2: Well without it, I don't think we can go forward.

996
00:50:54,605 --> 00:50:56,605
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the whole, that's part of

997
00:50:56,645 --> 00:50:58,884
Speaker 2: what we're experiencing right now, and I think that we're

998
00:50:58,885 --> 00:50:59,885
Speaker 2: seeing the beginnings of it.

999
00:50:59,925 --> 00:51:00,844
Speaker 3: I mean, what would be.

1000
00:51:00,805 --> 00:51:03,845
Speaker 4: Some indications we would be seeing the beginnings of a

1001
00:51:03,925 --> 00:51:04,845
Speaker 4: spiritual awakening?

1002
00:51:04,885 --> 00:51:06,645
Speaker 3: The fact that we're back slidden right there?

1003
00:51:06,725 --> 00:51:06,924
Speaker 1: Yes?

1004
00:51:07,485 --> 00:51:08,245
Speaker 3: And you and me?

1005
00:51:08,445 --> 00:51:09,725
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good start.

1006
00:51:10,605 --> 00:51:14,685
Speaker 2: I think I have noticed, and I'm very sensitive to this,

1007
00:51:15,365 --> 00:51:21,765
Speaker 2: in the last five years, people speaking more openly about Jesus'

1008
00:51:21,925 --> 00:51:25,885
Speaker 2: cultural figures that I just go, Wow, that was not

1009
00:51:25,925 --> 00:51:28,924
Speaker 2: happening ten years ago. I've noticed this over and over

1010
00:51:28,965 --> 00:51:31,645
Speaker 2: and over and over. You know, people call it a

1011
00:51:31,725 --> 00:51:33,325
Speaker 2: vibe shift. You always have to give it some kind

1012
00:51:33,325 --> 00:51:36,325
Speaker 2: of a name. It's it's a spiritual thing. God has

1013
00:51:36,445 --> 00:51:39,965
Speaker 2: done something and you can feel it. And I just think,

1014
00:51:40,005 --> 00:51:41,605
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I read this morning on a

1015
00:51:42,245 --> 00:51:45,445
Speaker 2: news website that how many more young men are reading

1016
00:51:45,485 --> 00:51:46,605
Speaker 2: the Bible and going to church.

1017
00:51:46,845 --> 00:51:47,685
Speaker 3: This is happening.

1018
00:51:48,045 --> 00:51:52,605
Speaker 2: This is happening, and I'm simply convinced this is the

1019
00:51:52,605 --> 00:51:56,045
Speaker 2: Lord's will for this nation, that that's part of what

1020
00:51:56,165 --> 00:51:58,925
Speaker 2: is happening. And so the details are the details. But

1021
00:51:58,965 --> 00:52:01,844
Speaker 2: I think we are you know, we're in the midst

1022
00:52:01,885 --> 00:52:04,325
Speaker 2: of it. It's beginning, but I don't think we've really

1023
00:52:04,365 --> 00:52:07,605
Speaker 2: seen it in Flower. I think that lies ahead, by

1024
00:52:07,605 --> 00:52:08,245
Speaker 2: God's grace.

1025
00:52:08,605 --> 00:52:10,884
Speaker 4: Well, we have a few questions starting to come in

1026
00:52:11,205 --> 00:52:14,445
Speaker 4: and one person asks, is Eric going to start his

1027
00:52:14,645 --> 00:52:19,765
Speaker 4: own collection of clothing that can be purchased the Eric

1028
00:52:20,245 --> 00:52:23,885
Speaker 4: the Texas line. You know what, I think it's about time.

1029
00:52:24,485 --> 00:52:27,884
Speaker 4: I think the Lord has spoken through that person. Now,

1030
00:52:28,085 --> 00:52:30,645
Speaker 4: I wasn't planning on it. I wasn't planning on it.

1031
00:52:30,725 --> 00:52:33,525
Speaker 4: I wouldn't I certainly would wouldn't rule it out. If

1032
00:52:33,525 --> 00:52:37,685
Speaker 4: my country calls, I will serve yes. Okay, So here's

1033
00:52:37,765 --> 00:52:40,405
Speaker 4: an actual question. I'm a college student, and I can

1034
00:52:40,445 --> 00:52:44,365
Speaker 4: see among my own peers low levels at patriotism in

1035
00:52:44,405 --> 00:52:47,445
Speaker 4: respect for this country. In fact, we're largely taught now

1036
00:52:47,485 --> 00:52:51,245
Speaker 4: that our country is actually evil. How can us young

1037
00:52:51,285 --> 00:52:54,445
Speaker 4: adults condense our peers to first come to Christ and

1038
00:52:54,565 --> 00:52:56,364
Speaker 4: second to honor our great nation?

1039
00:52:56,565 --> 00:52:57,125
Speaker 1: Good question.

1040
00:52:57,685 --> 00:53:00,245
Speaker 2: Who's to say that, first you don't get them to

1041
00:53:00,245 --> 00:53:02,285
Speaker 2: honor the great nation, which will lead them to come

1042
00:53:02,325 --> 00:53:02,685
Speaker 2: to Christ.

1043
00:53:02,765 --> 00:53:03,245
Speaker 3: We don't know.

1044
00:53:03,565 --> 00:53:05,925
Speaker 2: We know it's more important to believe in Jesus, Yes,

1045
00:53:05,965 --> 00:53:08,685
Speaker 2: but I think it's all part of something that is happening.

1046
00:53:08,925 --> 00:53:11,005
Speaker 2: And I don't think we should fret. I think a

1047
00:53:11,045 --> 00:53:13,045
Speaker 2: lot of times I get that question, what can I

1048
00:53:13,045 --> 00:53:14,805
Speaker 2: say or what can I Sometimes.

1049
00:53:14,365 --> 00:53:15,165
Speaker 3: You could say nothing.

1050
00:53:15,685 --> 00:53:19,485
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't say anything, but just ask the Lord

1051
00:53:19,565 --> 00:53:22,685
Speaker 2: to lead you. And don't feel that it's up to

1052
00:53:22,765 --> 00:53:24,885
Speaker 2: you that you've got to fret or wring your hands.

1053
00:53:24,885 --> 00:53:26,645
Speaker 2: I've got to bring somebody to Christ. You can't bring

1054
00:53:26,645 --> 00:53:28,685
Speaker 2: anyone to Christ. You can only be obedient to the

1055
00:53:28,685 --> 00:53:31,285
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit, who wants them to come to Him more.

1056
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:31,565
Speaker 3: Than you do.

1057
00:53:31,725 --> 00:53:34,605
Speaker 2: Right, And I think that we should not fret, trust

1058
00:53:34,645 --> 00:53:37,965
Speaker 2: God and just be obedient to God's leading.

1059
00:53:38,285 --> 00:53:40,965
Speaker 3: But I think it is happening. I think is happening if.

1060
00:53:40,805 --> 00:53:42,925
Speaker 1: It be educated. I mean reading your book.

1061
00:53:43,325 --> 00:53:47,405
Speaker 4: This is a primer on American history, and it shows

1062
00:53:47,605 --> 00:53:50,925
Speaker 4: God at work. And so know your facts, know your history.

1063
00:53:51,165 --> 00:53:55,125
Speaker 4: Here's an interesting question. When did America lose its Christian

1064
00:53:55,285 --> 00:53:59,005
Speaker 4: virtues and faith that that founding fathers had and why?

1065
00:53:59,285 --> 00:54:02,405
Speaker 4: I would pinpoint it. Correct me if you disagree. But

1066
00:54:02,765 --> 00:54:09,205
Speaker 4: somewhere around the sixties, when these young rebellious kids became adults,

1067
00:54:09,525 --> 00:54:14,525
Speaker 4: they became professors in our colleges pushing a very strong agenda.

1068
00:54:14,765 --> 00:54:17,525
Speaker 4: Did it start even before that, perhaps in the fifties or.

1069
00:54:17,525 --> 00:54:19,565
Speaker 2: Before Listen, I mean to be you know, if we

1070
00:54:19,645 --> 00:54:21,645
Speaker 2: really want to be accurate, it started in the Garden

1071
00:54:21,685 --> 00:54:22,045
Speaker 2: of Eden.

1072
00:54:22,205 --> 00:54:22,685
Speaker 1: That's sure.

1073
00:54:22,685 --> 00:54:26,245
Speaker 2: You can never really say there's a moment, but yes,

1074
00:54:26,645 --> 00:54:27,165
Speaker 2: but listen.

1075
00:54:27,405 --> 00:54:29,885
Speaker 3: William F. Buckley, Okay, I went to Yale. I was

1076
00:54:29,885 --> 00:54:30,965
Speaker 3: at Yale in the eighties.

1077
00:54:31,165 --> 00:54:35,405
Speaker 2: Yale was utterly godless and Marxist leftist in the eighties.

1078
00:54:35,605 --> 00:54:37,205
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's gotten worse.

1079
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Speaker 1: Originally founded as a Christian university.

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Speaker 2: Buckley wrote his book Got Him In at Yale about

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Speaker 2: the Yale of the late forties.

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Speaker 3: In the late forties. It had already gone atheists.

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Speaker 2: Mark say, okay, so, but the reason I say that

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Speaker 2: is because the intellectuals were already there in the twenties.

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Speaker 2: The twenties were very godless in in elite circles.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm watching old movies, pre Code movies, nineteen thirty one,

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Speaker 2: and you can smell the culture, sure, and then you

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Speaker 2: can go back even farther. I mean in eighteen fifty nine,

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Speaker 2: when Darwin writes The Origin of the Species, they were

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Speaker 2: in intellectual circles.

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Speaker 3: This stuff was already going on.

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Speaker 2: It was going on in Great Britain when I wrote

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Speaker 2: this book in the seventeen sixties and seventies, the godlessness

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Speaker 2: in Great Britain. So this stuff kind of percolates through culture,

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Speaker 2: and of course in America you could see these moments.

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Speaker 2: I mean the sixties. You know, My last big book

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Speaker 2: was called is Atheism Dead? Which is really a response

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Speaker 2: to the Time magazine article nineteen sixty six, is God Dead?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that in nineteen sixty six the editors

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Speaker 2: of Time magazine, who are you know, pretty leftist, godless

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Speaker 2: New York manhattanites. I live in Manhattan, right, They decided,

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Speaker 2: oh it's time to put this bummer of an idea

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Speaker 2: on every coffee table in America.

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Speaker 3: Is God dead, black cover reversed red lettering and like that.

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Speaker 3: That's the zeitgeist, you know, So it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean in many ways you could say it's the sixties,

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Speaker 2: but the sixties didn't just happen, right, I mean you

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Speaker 2: can already see it when I watch a lot of

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Speaker 2: films from the fifties already have that vibe in them,

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00:56:15,565 --> 00:56:17,605
Speaker 2: you know, rebel without a cause, and you can see

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00:56:17,685 --> 00:56:23,925
Speaker 2: this stuff fermenting. And so it's really impossible to pinpoint it.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter. The fact is we've got to

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Speaker 2: turn it around to God's glory.

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Speaker 4: Here's a good question. Can you explain? This is a

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00:56:29,965 --> 00:56:33,845
Speaker 4: big one? But the separation of church and state, truly

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Speaker 4: me is that Jefferson wrote about in his letter to

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Speaker 4: the Danbury Back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I my hometown is Danbury, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so I feel like I'm very honored by that.

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Speaker 4: And what did you get your clothes there?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I did not.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so I grew up in Danbury, Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: And he throws me, I'm very easily thrown, but no,

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Speaker 2: I am. Basically when Jefferson wrote that letter. I've heard

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Speaker 2: Christians say, don't believe this nonsense about the separation of

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Speaker 2: church and state. They're mistaken. The separation of church and

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00:57:10,845 --> 00:57:13,445
Speaker 2: state is one hundred percent correct. It's not in the constitution,

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Speaker 2: but it's a constitutional idea. It has just been interpreted

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00:57:18,405 --> 00:57:22,365
Speaker 2: completely wrongly for the last sixty years, where people say

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00:57:22,365 --> 00:57:25,845
Speaker 2: separation of church and state means we can't have faith

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Speaker 2: in government, we can't have religion in government in the culture.

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Speaker 3: That is completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: What Jefferson was saying to the Danbury Baptist was that

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Speaker 2: the wall of separation between church and state exists to

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Speaker 2: protect the church from the state, to protect the church

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Speaker 2: from the government. That the government has no right to

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Speaker 2: tell the church what to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we saw this recently with COVID. We've seen

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Speaker 3: this over and over where the government, if they're given

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00:57:57,125 --> 00:58:01,645
Speaker 3: the ability, they'll push us around, and a lot of times,

1144
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Speaker 3: in our graciousness, we kind of put up with it

1145
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Speaker 3: a little bit. But Jefferson is saying.

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Speaker 2: There is a wall and that if you're if you're

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00:58:09,845 --> 00:58:13,885
Speaker 2: any person of faith in America, you need to know

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00:58:14,605 --> 00:58:16,525
Speaker 2: the government has no right to tell you what to believe.

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Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent free to believe whatever you want

1150
00:58:18,445 --> 00:58:20,605
Speaker 2: to believe and to do whatever you want to do

1151
00:58:21,325 --> 00:58:23,245
Speaker 2: up to a point. Right, you can't say, well, I'm

1152
00:58:23,285 --> 00:58:26,365
Speaker 2: killing people in the name of my religion. But that

1153
00:58:26,445 --> 00:58:29,805
Speaker 2: has been going on since then, since since the revolution,

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00:58:30,045 --> 00:58:33,765
Speaker 2: and so we have to you know, I think, particularly

1155
00:58:33,765 --> 00:58:36,285
Speaker 2: in this day and age, we have to understand that

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00:58:37,245 --> 00:58:42,005
Speaker 2: the founders knew that the church, particularly church, is sacred

1157
00:58:42,045 --> 00:58:45,365
Speaker 2: iss sacrisanct, and that the government has no right. So

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00:58:45,405 --> 00:58:48,245
Speaker 2: whenever you hear the separation church and state, hear it

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Speaker 2: the correct way, the way Jefferson intended it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, here's a good question.

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Speaker 4: Someone asked, what is the most favorite courageous thing any

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Speaker 4: of our found founding fathers have done. I think signing

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Speaker 4: the Declaration of Independence was pretty courageous.

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Speaker 1: It could have been their death warrant.

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Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I write about that scene in the book because I

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Speaker 2: think we forget, and a couple of them write about

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Speaker 2: the feeling in the room when they did that. They knew, Wow,

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Speaker 2: this is a big thing we're doing. This is not

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00:59:21,525 --> 00:59:23,965
Speaker 2: a little thing, this is not this is a big

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Speaker 2: thing we're doing, and we need to really honor them

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Speaker 2: by knowing that this story and revering.

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Speaker 3: Them for their career, for their courage.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is an extraordinary, beautiful thing and

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Speaker 2: it should inspire us to be courageous, you know, and

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Speaker 2: especially we have no excuse because we have Jesus and

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00:59:40,685 --> 00:59:43,325
Speaker 2: we're supposed to believe all the stuff we claim to believe,

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Speaker 2: so we have to live it out. But they they

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Speaker 2: really did. That's what's so interesting is that they didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about it. They they risked everything. This wasn't They

1182
00:59:51,085 --> 00:59:53,405
Speaker 2: weren't like a bunch of you know, Ivy League professors

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Speaker 2: theorizing about stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they were living this.

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Speaker 2: They were risking their lives and their fortunes at everything

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Speaker 2: that was that was real.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, not to mention the courage of General George

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Speaker 4: washing on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: So many of them. Honestly, it is.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's humbling and inspiring to read what they what

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Speaker 2: they went through, what they suffered. And let's not pretend

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Speaker 2: there were many people at the time who did what

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Speaker 2: a lot of people do today. They just say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we don't. I don't care. I just I

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Speaker 2: don't want any trouble. I'm not going to stick my

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Speaker 2: neck out for any principles. I just want to have

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Speaker 2: a nice life. Well, we don't revere those people. We

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Speaker 2: revere the people who said, I'm going to do what

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Speaker 2: it's right and it's going to cost me, but God

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Speaker 2: is with me. That's the you know, that's the story

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01:00:43,645 --> 01:00:47,285
Speaker 2: of the men who who were in the revolution. But

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Speaker 2: there were many at the time who either sided with

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Speaker 2: the British or I mean Benjamin Franklin's own son, Yes,

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01:00:53,605 --> 01:00:56,165
Speaker 2: decided with the British, and then there were many that

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Speaker 2: their finger was in the wind. Which way is it going?

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Speaker 3: I don't you know.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with whoever wins. I'll just I'll hang back,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not going to stick my neck out.

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Speaker 1: Did Jefferson want to get us some French revolution?

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Speaker 2: It seems like it. Again, my book doesn't go that far.

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Speaker 2: It ends in seventeen eighty three, but I think Jefferson

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Speaker 2: and Thomas Paine both were bamboozled by this utopianist nonsense

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Speaker 2: of the French Revolution that somehow we could do over

1214
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Speaker 2: there what we did here. The difference is the revolutionaries

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Speaker 2: in France totally rejected God, and the revolutionaries in this

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01:01:31,925 --> 01:01:36,605
Speaker 2: country totally looked to the Lord knew that without the

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01:01:36,605 --> 01:01:40,365
Speaker 2: Lord they could never succeed, and so Jefferson and Pain

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Speaker 2: got that dramatically wrong.

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Speaker 4: What is your hope for America for our future? What

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Speaker 4: would you like to see happen in the next few years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I like us all to become trillionaires, but that's

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Speaker 3: not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: We have one now, Yeah, I heard about that.

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Speaker 3: I heard about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just say that I believe the Lord created

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Speaker 2: America for his purposes, Yes, to be like a shining

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Speaker 2: city on a hill that people around the world would

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Speaker 2: to us and say, what do they have there?

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Speaker 3: Why do they have those freedoms?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: How do they get that? Well, you know in the book,

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Speaker 2: I make it clear it comes from God. You don't

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Speaker 2: get this apart from the Bible and apart from fidelity

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01:02:18,765 --> 01:02:22,165
Speaker 2: to the Lord and to his and and so what

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Speaker 2: a dream it would be if the people in England today,

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Speaker 2: who are who are waking up, would say, we want

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Speaker 2: to govern ourselves in this way, on these principles. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to put up with being governed by woke,

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01:02:33,845 --> 01:02:36,725
Speaker 2: lunatic elites who do not care that our women are

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Speaker 2: being raped by rape gangs, that we've allowed in. And

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Speaker 2: I mean if the world would wake up and stand

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Speaker 2: up and and would remained.

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Speaker 3: All that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean to think that that is happening in Western countries.

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01:02:54,205 --> 01:02:58,005
Speaker 2: And I think that my my dream would be that

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Speaker 2: America would become so American and that we would stand

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01:03:01,405 --> 01:03:03,645
Speaker 2: up for what we believe in a way that we

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01:03:04,325 --> 01:03:06,445
Speaker 2: that we would that we would come the America that

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Speaker 2: it's God's will for us to be, so that people

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Speaker 2: around the world would be inspired to do what we

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01:03:12,365 --> 01:03:14,805
Speaker 2: did here two hundred and fifty years ago. They would say,

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Speaker 2: we're going to stand against tyranny, even if it costs

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Speaker 2: us something. These are the values that you know, again,

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Speaker 2: if they do it the way we did it, they

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01:03:22,405 --> 01:03:24,565
Speaker 2: could succeed. If they do it on their own. You know,

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Speaker 2: when we say, oh, they're having a revolution here or here,

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01:03:26,845 --> 01:03:28,885
Speaker 2: or the Arab spring or whatever, it's all about the people.

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Speaker 2: It never goes well. It cannot go well. If it's

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Speaker 2: not founded on the same principles as our founders.

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Speaker 3: It does not succeed. It never succeeds.

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Speaker 2: And it's amazing that people are foolish enough to think, oh,

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Speaker 2: this time it will succeed, This time it will succeed.

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Speaker 2: It's utoping this nonsense, it's striving and it is it

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Speaker 2: really is almost like a.

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Speaker 3: Tower of Babbel thing.

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Speaker 2: It's this idea that we can do it on our own,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, no, if you think you can do

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01:03:56,325 --> 01:03:58,445
Speaker 2: it on your own, your fool, it's gonna be worse

1269
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Speaker 2: than when you start it. Just like in the Bolshevik revolution,

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Speaker 2: Oh we're going to if the people are going to

1271
01:04:02,845 --> 01:04:05,125
Speaker 2: we see what happened, and it happens over and over

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Speaker 2: in his But if we could really shine in this nation,

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Speaker 2: if enough of us would would understand that, and that

1274
01:04:13,005 --> 01:04:15,965
Speaker 2: we would have we would go back to the spirit

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Speaker 2: of seventeen seventy six, which I think is the Lord's

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Speaker 2: will for us. That it would inspire people around the

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Speaker 2: world to do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: That would be a dream, I think agreed.

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Speaker 4: You know the idea of the city on a hill

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Speaker 4: that President Reagan spoke of, that other presidents have in

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01:04:33,685 --> 01:04:36,845
Speaker 4: the past, but that's built on scripture. So Jesus said

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Speaker 4: in the Sermon on the Mountains, you're the light of

1283
01:04:38,965 --> 01:04:41,725
Speaker 4: the world, You're the salt of the earth. And you know,

1284
01:04:41,965 --> 01:04:45,365
Speaker 4: the salt back in Biblical times was used as a preservative,

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01:04:45,445 --> 01:04:49,365
Speaker 4: to stop the spread the rotting, and so forth. And so,

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Speaker 4: as Christians, we are called to restrain evil, to speak

1287
01:04:52,965 --> 01:04:54,365
Speaker 4: out against what is wrong, to.

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Speaker 1: Speak up for what is right.

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Speaker 4: But we are also called to let our lights so shine,

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Speaker 4: preach the gospel. It's not one of the other.

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Speaker 1: It's both.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, we must preach the gospel and call people

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Speaker 4: to but amen. When we see injustice, when we see

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Speaker 4: things that are flat out wrong, we need to speak

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Speaker 4: out against those and let our voice be heard.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Well again, this all these ideas are from the scripture.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't just come up with it. It's

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Speaker 2: like Jefferson say, hey, we got these great ideas. No

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Speaker 2: if you pull, if you do that, you get the

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Speaker 2: French Revolution, you get a bloodbath and it ends up

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Speaker 2: in total failure. But they knew these ideas came from

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Speaker 2: the scripture. They were guided by that. And you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the examples is John Adams at one point,

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Speaker 2: this is before the Revolution, but in seventeen seventies of

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Speaker 2: Boston Masacre, he chooses as a lawyer to defend the

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Speaker 2: British soldiers because he says it's the right thing to do,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to trust God. If we do the

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Speaker 2: right thing, God will honor us. We're not just gonna

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Speaker 2: be like, hey, they're not on my team. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: defend my team. He says, no, No, we need We

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Speaker 2: believe in fairness, we believe in what is right, we

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Speaker 2: believe in justice. We cast our lot with the Lord

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Speaker 2: in this and it's a noble and a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: And that's been the case I think many times in

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Speaker 2: the history of the United States. I just heard the

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Speaker 2: other day, or it was reminded the other day that

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Speaker 2: you know, after World War Two, we had every opportunity

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Speaker 2: and every right to take over Japan, to take over Germany.

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Speaker 3: What do we do we help them rebuild those nations?

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Speaker 3: Who does that?

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Speaker 2: If that's a biblical idea America does That's America does that?

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Speaker 2: My mother, you know who is probably trying to call

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Speaker 2: me right now. She's almost ninety two, and she forgets

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Speaker 2: where I am and she calls me. She grew up

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Speaker 2: in Nazi Germany, and she remembers when in nineteen forty

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Speaker 2: five when they lost, when the Americans came in, she remembers,

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Speaker 2: those are the good guys. When the Russians came in

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Speaker 2: those are bad guys. Now what is that? I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what that is. The American soldiers did not rape

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Speaker 2: and pillage the others did. What does that tell you

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Speaker 2: about the values of a cult? That is who America

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Speaker 2: has been, by and large. Again, it's not that we

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Speaker 2: have been perfect or without sin, but by and large

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Speaker 2: we've been the good guy. We have been the one

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Speaker 2: that rebuilds Germany and Japan and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Why would we do that?

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Speaker 2: Because we believe it's the right thing, and because even

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Speaker 2: though some people don't do it explicitly, we're honoring God

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Speaker 2: in that. And that's who we have been, and that's

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Speaker 2: who we've been from the beginning. And that's the dramatic

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Speaker 2: story of the revolution that over and over and over

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Speaker 2: again you see Washington and others very sternly commanding his officers,

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Speaker 2: we will not stoop to what the British do. We

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Speaker 2: are different. We're going to do this God's way. Now,

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have put it that way, but it's so

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Speaker 2: clear that we are going to radically trust God and

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Speaker 2: God will give us the victory. They actually believe that,

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Speaker 2: and that's who we are and we need to rediscover

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Speaker 2: that and live it out and I think it will.

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Speaker 3: It will go well for us if we do that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: A great way to rediscover it is is read this

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Speaker 4: new book by Eric in Texas. This is an incredible

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Speaker 4: accomplishment and there's no it's not surprising that it's a bestseller.

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Speaker 4: And I think you've come at this from a unique

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Speaker 4: perspective and you've done an amazing job. And congratulations on

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Speaker 4: it and help a lot of people read it and

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Speaker 4: process this. And God could use this book to help

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Speaker 4: us get back to those roots of our nation.

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Speaker 2: I believe God called me to write this book for that,

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Speaker 2: for that purpose, not just to write a book, but

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Speaker 2: it's for his purposes in history, and I trust he

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Speaker 2: will use it for that and he gets the glory.

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Speaker 2: And I praise Him for allowing me to write it,

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Speaker 2: and you know, for talking about these things. This wasn't

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Speaker 2: on my dance cardage even two years ago. It's just

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Speaker 2: something that the Lord.

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Speaker 3: Gave to me.

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Speaker 2: And I just thought, yes, I think this is something

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Speaker 2: that needs to be done. Yes, and it is actually

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Speaker 2: very important. As I've said, that we know who we are,

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Speaker 2: who we're supposed to be. Many of us have forgotten,

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Speaker 2: we've kind of drifted. I think the two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fiftieth year. This summer, this is our season to rediscover

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Speaker 2: this and to celebrate it and to go back if

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Speaker 2: we've lost our way, to go back and to figure

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Speaker 2: out what God's will is for America.

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Speaker 1: It's right. Why don't we amen?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Eric, thank you?

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Speaker 4: Why don't Tom? Why don't we close with a word

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Speaker 4: of prayer? And would you pray for our nation?

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Speaker 2: I will, Heavenly, Father, we praise your name. We come

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Speaker 2: to you in the name of Jesus, and Lord, we

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Speaker 2: acknowledged Lord that we are far from perfect. But you,

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Speaker 2: who are our loving Father, want to bring us back

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Speaker 2: to yourself where we have strayed. You want to lead

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Speaker 2: us and guide us to glorify you. And we know,

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Speaker 2: Lord that you have blessed this nation beyond anything that

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Speaker 2: we deserve. And we ask you, Father to use us

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Speaker 2: to be a blessing. You've blessed us to be a blessing.

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Speaker 2: We pray for revival, for the fire of heaven to descend,

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Speaker 2: for your Holy Spirit to course through this nation, to

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Speaker 2: glorify your name, to bring revival and salvation and redemption.

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Speaker 2: And use this nation Father, in our lifetime. Let us

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Speaker 2: see you use this nation for your glory dramatically around

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Speaker 2: the earth in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen, thank you Eric. Let's thank Eric for coming.

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Speaker 3: God bless you, thank you.