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Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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Speaker 2: Into Genesis six where it is really six' nine if you,

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Speaker 2: have and you should always try to bring with you

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Speaker 2: A Torah Hebrew. Bible, specifically the five books Of moses

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Speaker 2: are just Specifically, genesis and we are now in the

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Speaker 2: portion Of, noah the second portion of the Way jews

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Speaker 2: divide of The torah. READING i am not teaching it that.

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Speaker 2: Way i'm teaching it more by chapter and subject than

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Speaker 2: i am by.

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Speaker 3: Portion but it doesn't. Matter i'm merely telling you that.

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Speaker 2: Some preliminary remarks on what we have thus far come

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Speaker 2: to Where god.

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Speaker 3: Has decided to destroy the.

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Speaker 2: World AS i mentioned to you last, TIME i mentioned

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Speaker 2: to you a brilliant insight Of Rabbi Gunther, plout WHOM

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Speaker 2: i heard ask a question at an audience in WHICH

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Speaker 2: i took.

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Speaker 3: Part who is the most tragic figure in The.

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Speaker 2: Bible people guessed all sorts of, names and he rejected

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Speaker 2: all of, them and he gave his. Answer AND i

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Speaker 2: think his answer is. Correct the most tragic figure in

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Speaker 2: The bible Is. God it was a powerful, statement AND

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Speaker 2: i think that it was powerfully enunciated in The tower

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Speaker 2: itself the last time we were together here In genesis,

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Speaker 2: Six god is so.

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Speaker 3: Happy god is so proud of what he has.

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Speaker 2: Made and then he looks around and he sees how

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Speaker 2: miserable it turned. OUT i, MEAN i get the chills

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Speaker 2: AS i related to you the sadness Of god must have.

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Speaker 2: Been and it Says god was. Sad and by the,

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Speaker 2: way Can god get? SAD i would, think, so how

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Speaker 2: Could god not get? Sad If god can't get, sad

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Speaker 2: Then god cannot relate to our. SADNESS i would have

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Speaker 2: to think That god could get, sad that certain things

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Speaker 2: Please god and certain things Distress.

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Speaker 3: GOD i, mean.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who believes In god has to answer the, question

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Speaker 2: how Does god react to the suffering of.

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Speaker 3: Little, children, or for that, matter all.

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Speaker 2: Adults we always pick our little children like the suffering

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Speaker 2: of adults doesn't matter. Much AND i have to, believe

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Speaker 2: not because it says thou shalt, believe but logic suggests

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Speaker 2: to me That god. Cares That god cries with, us

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Speaker 2: And god laughs with.

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Speaker 3: US i believe that.

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Speaker 2: DEEPLY i don't believe he laughs and cries in the

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Speaker 2: way you AND i laugh and.

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Speaker 3: Cry BUT i believe when.

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Speaker 2: It says you look down and saw rabat, haah the

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Speaker 2: immensity of bad in the, world after he had so

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Speaker 2: created it so that we would enjoy, it that there

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Speaker 2: had to be a profound. Disappointment of, course you might,

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Speaker 2: argue but If god is omniscient and knows everything that will.

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Speaker 3: Be how could he get? Disappointed Didn't god know what would?

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Speaker 2: Be well in that, SENSE i can't answer that theological.

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Speaker 2: QUESTION i can tell you that there is In judaism

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Speaker 2: at least a belief which sounds self contradictory hako. Vajrashutnikna

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Speaker 2: Happen and by the, way AS i argued last, TIME

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Speaker 2: Don't god knows what your dog will do because your

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Speaker 2: dog is, programmed but we are not. Programmed so either

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Speaker 2: way you look at, IT i BELIEVE i can live

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Speaker 2: with The god who is disappointed in what. Happened god

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Speaker 2: then decides to destroy the, world which is what we're up,

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Speaker 2: to except For Noah, hebrew who is a good. Person

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Speaker 3: Into the text. Itself some preliminary.

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Speaker 2: Comments first of, all some people are embarrassed by A

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Speaker 2: god who would destroy the. WORLD i have asked clergy

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Speaker 2: have asked them on, occasion how do you feel about

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Speaker 2: the fact That god destroyed the? World because a lot

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Speaker 2: semi pacifistic attitude towards life that taking human life is always.

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Speaker 3: Ask, them, well what do you think Of? God?

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Speaker 2: Then god killed, everybody and not only, That god killed

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Speaker 3: Who certainly couldn't. Sin what do you think Of?

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Speaker 2: God and it is clear that there is a certain

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Speaker 2: Time, well look we've, advanced we Have, god we have

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Speaker 2: a more Loving. Testament they may not come out and

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Speaker 2: of speaking to All christian. Clergy, nevertheless there is still

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Speaker 2: a sense of. Embarrassment and by the, WAY i must.

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Speaker 2: orthodox world And, judaism there is also, problem probably a

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Speaker 2: somewhat of a sense Of i'm not Sure god did

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Speaker 3: Thing IF i Were, GOD i wouldn't have done.

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Speaker 2: It i'm not thrilled with, it and it's not a

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Speaker 2: A CERTAIN i am convinced embarrassment with regard to this

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Speaker 2: Embarrassed, OKAY i stand here in this, sense very very

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Speaker 2: people were bad to each.

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Speaker 2: ME i created a world for you to love each,

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Speaker 3: Other you ruined.

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Speaker 2: Don't god does not believe in life for life's.

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Speaker 2: Pacifism in the final, analysis it seems to affirm to

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Speaker 2: Live those of you will.

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Speaker 2: More than in this, course for, example on my radio,

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Speaker 2: The issue is to, live not to live, well not

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Speaker 2: to live, deeply not to live, profoundly but to live,

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Speaker 2: longly to live healthily and. Long they spend so much

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Speaker 2: time is spent in. Duration god is saying that is

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Speaker 2: not the. Issue life is not WHAT i created life.

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Speaker 2: For your purpose is not merely to. Live, therefore my

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Speaker 2: What god did makes perfect sense to this.

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Speaker 2: WISDOM i created a world for people to be, good

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Speaker 2: for people to enjoy one, another for people to enjoy

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Speaker 3: Made if you ruin, it you don't belong.

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Speaker 2: time So i'll be very. Brief god destroys the. Animals

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Speaker 2: god destroys the animals because they were created for human. Beings,

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Speaker 2: use not, abuse but our, youth our, enjoyment our.

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Speaker 2: To appreciate, animals animal life from The biblical, perspective has no,

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Speaker 2: The jewish revolutionary, revolutionary absolutely unprecedented.

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Speaker 3: Notion of universal moral.

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Speaker 2: Law god punishes everyone because everyone is, guilty because there

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Speaker 2: have destroyed the. World people voted with their actions that

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Speaker 2: nuremberg trials are, based if you, will On, noah because

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Speaker 2: Every nazi At nuremberg could have said and did, say

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Speaker 2: you In, england you In? America who are you to

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Speaker 2: judge me In Nazi? Germany Killing jews was. Okay the

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with? Polytheism why Is? Judaism why is

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Speaker 2: argued even for those who posit satan as a divine

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Speaker 2: i have two competing, forces which is exactly what The zoroastrians,

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Speaker 2: For egyptians it Was. Osiris for, everything there was a

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Speaker 2: Is what liberated humanity to become, humanists to believe in.

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Speaker 2: People one way of saying it is you become a religious,

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Speaker 2: want they save you when they. Want do you know

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Speaker 2: why Utnapisht him was saved in The Gilgamesh. Epic one

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Speaker 2: reason was he was, handsome very different From. Noah god

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Speaker 3: God god is not.

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Speaker 2: Mortal the gods themselves were just us in superman form

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Speaker 2: with superflaws as well as super. Strength the world advanced

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Speaker 2: Because judaism.

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Speaker 2: enabled science to. Develop it is not a, coincident and

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Speaker 2: what Apparently socrates tried to.

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Speaker 3: Do judaism said that we are to repair the.

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Speaker 2: World paganism said we ought to propitiate the. Gods there's

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Speaker 2: Again it begins with the issue Of noah being a righteous,

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Speaker 2: man AND i had to vote with you which is

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Speaker 2: better to be righteous among righteous people or to be

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Speaker 3: People we had a long.

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Speaker 2: AND i THINK i splayed a lot of minds to

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Speaker 2: Some AND i don't remember exactly WHAT i persuaded, you

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Speaker 2: It but it is a very fascinating issue that The rabbi's,

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Speaker 3: Were utterly familiar to, them, utterly.

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Speaker 2: And that is part of the reason that some ideas

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Speaker 2: it would be as IF i made a reference to

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Speaker 2: god with the? Wind was he referring to? Winds every

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Speaker 2: by gone with the. Wind that's how you have to understand,

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Speaker 2: HERE a lot of the mysteries to us and reading

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Speaker 3: No mysteries to.

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Speaker 2: Them they understood exactly what was meant and exactly what

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Speaker 3: Overthrown from the pagan.

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Speaker 2: Stories after, all they had a, flood they had an.

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Speaker 2: Arc they had the measurements unbelievably, similarly they had similar,

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Speaker 2: Together so you could, say, well, look The bible's just

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Speaker 2: a variation on a pagan. Theme but the differences are what,

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Speaker 2: Point everything is neutral in. Life it depends what you

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Speaker 3: It you can use pagan symbols and make them.

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Speaker 2: Holy that is exactly What judaism. Peaches it monotheized a

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Speaker 2: pagan story of the gods picking a guy Named, hutna

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Speaker 3: Stay that's what was, done and we can do that.

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Speaker 2: Too that's, why to give A christian, example every so

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Speaker 2: often on the radio, show somebody will call up a

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Speaker 2: former Believing christian who is wanting to convert the world

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Speaker 2: to his new found, atheism and he is proud to note,

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Speaker 2: that look at all the pagan origins To. Christmas doesn't

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Speaker 2: everybody know all the pagan origins to WHICH i then

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Speaker 2: and very attentively and then say the two words that

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Speaker 2: have deflated more arguments than any two Words i've ever.

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Speaker 3: Offered on the. Radio so what.

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Speaker 2: And then there's, Silence so what's your, point there are

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Speaker 2: pagan origins to. Everything you, think things come out of the,

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Speaker 2: sky new ideas come out of. Nowhere of course they're

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Speaker 2: going to use the. Vessels excuse, me new ideas did

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Speaker 2: come out of the. SKY i Believe monotheism did come

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Speaker 2: out of the. Sky to be honest with, you that's

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00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:53,899
Speaker 2: part of my, faith is A jew to BE i

439
00:26:53,939 --> 00:26:57,899
Speaker 2: have very FEW i believes that's one of them that

440
00:26:57,979 --> 00:27:00,619
Speaker 2: came out of the. Sky but not the vessels into

441
00:27:00,659 --> 00:27:03,699
Speaker 2: which it's. Put of, course there are going to be

442
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,659
Speaker 2: symbols if A. Jew if A jew tells, me, well you,

443
00:27:06,739 --> 00:27:11,299
Speaker 2: know the three, festivals they're just ancient pagan festivals of the,

444
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:15,939
Speaker 2: seasons for the for the for the spring, harvest and so,

445
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:18,619
Speaker 2: on And i'll say that's. True and you, know And

446
00:27:18,739 --> 00:27:22,819
Speaker 2: jews walk around with the, lulavnets with the citron and

447
00:27:22,899 --> 00:27:24,219
Speaker 2: the palm branch.

448
00:27:23,939 --> 00:27:25,739
Speaker 3: On siu culte on.

449
00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:29,779
Speaker 2: Tabernacles that's just an ancient fertility. Thing it's obviously fertility

450
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,259
Speaker 2: symbol of a penis and.

451
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,300
Speaker 3: Testicles go, yeah that's.

452
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:38,539
Speaker 2: True so look to, me it just shows What judaism

453
00:27:38,619 --> 00:27:41,939
Speaker 2: was able to do with. It that's the genius Of

454
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:45,379
Speaker 2: judaism that it took something so primitive and ennobled. It

455
00:27:47,659 --> 00:27:51,020
Speaker 2: see there's a talk about a film See Sister. Act

456
00:27:51,899 --> 00:27:54,060
Speaker 2: you will see what could be done to rock.

457
00:27:54,179 --> 00:27:55,539
Speaker 3: Music it was.

458
00:27:55,619 --> 00:27:58,540
Speaker 2: Brilliant that was part of the brilliance of that, film

459
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:03,140
Speaker 2: taking very mundane rock songs.

460
00:28:02,739 --> 00:28:05,619
Speaker 3: And rock lyrics from the fifties and making them.

461
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:09,899
Speaker 2: Holy that's the task of religious, people not to leave the,

462
00:28:09,939 --> 00:28:12,820
Speaker 2: world but to make the world as it exists. Holy

463
00:28:13,459 --> 00:28:18,100
Speaker 2: use the pagan, stories but make them ethical. Monotheists that's what's.

464
00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:21,459
Speaker 3: Done AND i gave you already some examples That.

465
00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:24,219
Speaker 2: Noah the most important Is noah's picked because he's, moral

466
00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:27,580
Speaker 2: And god judges the world because they're. Immoral remember WHAT

467
00:28:27,699 --> 00:28:29,819
Speaker 2: i read to you last time about one of the

468
00:28:29,899 --> 00:28:34,020
Speaker 2: Ancient Near eastern stories why the gods decided to destroy destroy.

469
00:28:33,699 --> 00:28:35,780
Speaker 3: The world because the people were making too much.

470
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:39,259
Speaker 2: NOISE i read it to. You it goes Through plout

471
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:43,019
Speaker 2: brings it at his his uh commentary on The. Torah

472
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,940
Speaker 2: well you know they're bellowing too. Loud it's time to

473
00:28:45,979 --> 00:28:48,580
Speaker 2: get rid of. Them they're they're keeping me. Up that

474
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,340
Speaker 2: was what one of the gods, said that they're they're

475
00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:52,940
Speaker 2: they're just not letting us. Sleep up here in the celestial,

476
00:28:52,979 --> 00:28:56,620
Speaker 2: heavens so will destroy. Them and what Does God jehovah?

477
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,900
Speaker 2: Say people are.

478
00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:01,979
Speaker 3: Hurting each other AND i don't want. That not hurting.

479
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:05,340
Speaker 3: Me you can't hurt, Me, god you were hurting each.

480
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:07,860
Speaker 2: Other i'm getting rid of, you except for the good

481
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:08,819
Speaker 2: PERSON i found.

482
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,460
Speaker 3: Him i'll save another difference.

483
00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:13,020
Speaker 2: Incidentally AND i told You i'm going to point them

484
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:17,700
Speaker 2: out periodically in The in The gilgamesh, Epic oDNA pitched

485
00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:21,259
Speaker 2: him makes sure to take gold and silver onto the.

486
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:27,180
Speaker 2: Ark you will notice nothing is mentioned about inanimate, objects

487
00:29:27,739 --> 00:29:31,979
Speaker 2: not a hint of anything of value taken aboard the.

488
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:35,020
Speaker 2: Arc the only thing of value were.

489
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:39,940
Speaker 3: Animals And noah's. Family isn't that? Touching wouldn't you think it'd?

490
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:42,539
Speaker 3: Say you, know CAN i bring my bank account with?

491
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:43,779
Speaker 3: Me my?

492
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:50,100
Speaker 2: Savings only animals locusts were more important than all the

493
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:50,900
Speaker 2: gold in the.

494
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:56,739
Speaker 3: World isn't that? Touching that's? Different and believe, me to,

495
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:59,260
Speaker 3: us you've got to learn. It but to the Ancient

496
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:00,500
Speaker 3: israeli who knew The.

497
00:30:00,459 --> 00:30:04,299
Speaker 2: Gilgamesh, epic that made a very big. Statement no, gold

498
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:07,740
Speaker 2: no silver on the. Ark, boy that's.

499
00:30:07,739 --> 00:30:12,340
Speaker 1: Something this episode Of Timeless wisdom will continue right after.

500
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:21,140
Speaker 4: This now back to more Of Dennis prager's timeless.

501
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:28,580
Speaker 2: Wisdom, also in all the other, stories the hero is granted,

502
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:30,140
Speaker 2: immortality Not.

503
00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:32,260
Speaker 3: Noah noah's not granted.

504
00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:36,580
Speaker 2: Immortality he's simply saved to start replenishing the earth all over.

505
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:37,539
Speaker 3: Again he's a.

506
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:45,700
Speaker 2: Person okay six.' eleven the earth became Corrupt. Before god

507
00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:50,100
Speaker 2: the earth was filled. With lawlessness this Is why god

508
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:53,060
Speaker 2: wishes to. Destroy it god saw how corrupt the earth

509
00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:55,459
Speaker 2: was for. All flesh it corrupted its ways. On earth

510
00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:58,299
Speaker 2: god Said, To noah i've decided to put an end to,

511
00:30:58,340 --> 00:31:02,060
Speaker 2: all flesh for the earth is filled with lawlessness because.

512
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,739
Speaker 2: OF them i am about to destroy them with. The

513
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:06,980
Speaker 2: earth make yourself.

514
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:08,820
Speaker 3: An ark of. Gopher wood and if you know.

515
00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:11,220
Speaker 2: What gopher, wood is don't raise, your hand because it's

516
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:13,900
Speaker 2: not possible to know what gopher. Wood is all it

517
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,420
Speaker 2: did was Take a hebrew word which, only appears to

518
00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:18,259
Speaker 2: the best of, my knowledge this one time in The.

519
00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:21,460
Speaker 2: Entire bible and we're not in. A ring to THE scholars,

520
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,980
Speaker 2: i read they still don't know what. It is they,

521
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:27,780
Speaker 2: have speculation but it seems to be unique at. Any

522
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:30,779
Speaker 2: rate gopher wood is what it was made of if you're. Interesting,

523
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:35,700
Speaker 2: Interested incidentally god then gives the, exact dimensions which again

524
00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:42,900
Speaker 2: is to those who study the the, parallel stories part

525
00:31:42,979 --> 00:31:43,979
Speaker 2: of exactly what the.

526
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:45,660
Speaker 3: Traditions were all of them.

527
00:31:45,739 --> 00:31:48,940
Speaker 2: Gave measurements it was a very, precise story and probably

528
00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:53,499
Speaker 2: far longer at any rate if in. Modern terminology the

529
00:31:53,739 --> 00:31:57,700
Speaker 2: Arc by torres measurements was four hundred and fifty feet,

530
00:31:57,739 --> 00:32:03,499
Speaker 2: in length seventy five, feet wide forty five feet, in

531
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:06,860
Speaker 2: height and it had a displacement of about forty three.

532
00:32:06,979 --> 00:32:10,460
Speaker 3: Thousand, tons okay and, of.

533
00:32:10,459 --> 00:32:12,900
Speaker 2: COURSE as i pointed out, last time had. No crew

534
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:18,020
Speaker 2: also unique To the. Biblical story all of the other stories.

535
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,020
Speaker 2: Had crews this had.

536
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:26,019
Speaker 3: No crew god was. The navigator that's the.

537
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:29,020
Speaker 2: Whole point AND remember i told, you too the word

538
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,420
Speaker 2: used for arc is the same word as used for

539
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,500
Speaker 2: That which moses is, put into which also had.

540
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,180
Speaker 3: No crew.

541
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:41,020
Speaker 2: God was the Navigator in moses's little box, little tava.

542
00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:43,580
Speaker 3: And was the Navigator in Noah's.

543
00:32:43,739 --> 00:32:50,539
Speaker 2: Big tava in, six' eleven you will notice that it

544
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:53,140
Speaker 2: says fatisha.

545
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:57,019
Speaker 3: Hata hello him the earth was Destroying.

546
00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:01,860
Speaker 2: Itself before god the point here is critical. Not before

547
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:05,460
Speaker 2: man when people are in the. Midst of evil they.

548
00:33:05,459 --> 00:33:08,820
Speaker 2: Don't notice It it is god, who Notices it and god.

549
00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:12,060
Speaker 3: Who judged, it that's okay just a little important.

550
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,060
Speaker 2: Point to notice, god noticed it and he is offended

551
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:15,340
Speaker 2: when we.

552
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:16,220
Speaker 3: Heard each other.

553
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:21,100
Speaker 2: According to The way, THE texas written i won't read verse,

554
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:21,540
Speaker 2: for verse.

555
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:25,660
Speaker 3: Here will will i'm just relating the story because it

556
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,819
Speaker 3: would take. Too much time he had one hundred and

557
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:29,660
Speaker 3: twenty years to.

558
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:32,979
Speaker 2: Build The ark the jewish tradition held that the reason

559
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:35,300
Speaker 2: for that was so that people would have the, time

560
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:38,820
Speaker 2: to ask what. Are you doing it's a very large sail,

561
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,779
Speaker 2: boat You're, Building mister noah and the hope that, he,

562
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,499
Speaker 2: would Say well because god is going to destroy the

563
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:47,299
Speaker 2: world because. You're ruining it but apparently it. Did not

564
00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:50,499
Speaker 2: work either they didn't ask or he was too afraid.

565
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:52,900
Speaker 2: To tell them. We don't know that's something we went

566
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:56,660
Speaker 2: about last. Time six, fourteen MAKE yourself, as i said

567
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:57,900
Speaker 2: this ark, of.

568
00:33:57,979 --> 00:34:00,340
Speaker 3: Gopher wood and.

569
00:34:02,459 --> 00:34:05,979
Speaker 2: You will make it with compartments and cover it inside and.

570
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:09,500
Speaker 2: Outside with pitch the word for pitch, used here cofair

571
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,660
Speaker 2: is not mentioned anywhere Else. In the, bible, it does

572
00:34:12,739 --> 00:34:16,500
Speaker 2: however Appear In another, middle eastern Story in an akkadian

573
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:19,580
Speaker 2: story where the exact Same word in akkadian kupru here,

574
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:23,739
Speaker 2: cofair is used which means again that the details were

575
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:28,020
Speaker 2: very Clear, to ancient israelites and it's the ideas that

576
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:29,779
Speaker 2: were changed much more.

577
00:34:29,819 --> 00:34:32,739
Speaker 3: THAN the details a.

578
00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:38,980
Speaker 2: Modern A Twentieth Century Orthodox rabbi osnayaim latorah is what.

579
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:42,660
Speaker 2: He Called Himself rabbi zealman sirrutskin makes a very. Sweet

580
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:48,339
Speaker 2: point here he notes That, In the ark noah's family could.

581
00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:52,060
Speaker 2: Only be kind their only option was to be kind

582
00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:52,700
Speaker 2: the whole time.

583
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:53,779
Speaker 3: Because they had to spend the whole.

584
00:34:53,779 --> 00:34:57,380
Speaker 2: Time feeding animals according, to one tradition they never slept

585
00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:00,180
Speaker 2: the whole time because they had to feed the animals

586
00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:02,739
Speaker 2: who wait at, night at night the animals who waited day.

587
00:35:02,819 --> 00:35:04,980
Speaker 2: During the day and you can imagine there must have

588
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,500
Speaker 2: been a lot of noise as well, inside the arc

589
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,980
Speaker 2: given all the animals. Who were there but it is

590
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:13,140
Speaker 2: a very touching Little thing that rabbi notes that all

591
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,739
Speaker 2: they could do is be kind. The whole time god

592
00:35:15,779 --> 00:35:18,499
Speaker 2: wanted them to train the new world will come. From

593
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:22,300
Speaker 2: justice family let them start off on a, purely kind

594
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:27,979
Speaker 2: note and the kindness touching lye. Is towards Animals that's

595
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:31,180
Speaker 2: what that's the way it was. Supposed to begin it,

596
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:33,980
Speaker 2: didn't work out but that Was that. Was god's attempt,

597
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:39,259
Speaker 2: at any rate now we have the story, of the

598
00:35:39,299 --> 00:35:42,180
Speaker 2: floods which came, for forty days and only after one

599
00:35:42,259 --> 00:35:46,299
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty did they. Begin to abate and everything

600
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:47,540
Speaker 2: on the whole.

601
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:48,219
Speaker 3: Earth is.

602
00:35:48,259 --> 00:35:51,940
Speaker 2: Destroyed six times it uses the word. Ritz six times

603
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:55,299
Speaker 2: we mean the whole, earth is destroyed All the animals

604
00:35:55,299 --> 00:35:59,540
Speaker 2: therein reading it and reading it, AND reading it i

605
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:05,100
Speaker 2: finally realized. Something was missing there is no. Mention Of

606
00:36:05,219 --> 00:36:12,420
Speaker 2: fish now. God saved insects, by the way you could imagine?

607
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:14,819
Speaker 2: What a test how do you collect two? Of each,

608
00:36:14,859 --> 00:36:17,499
Speaker 2: insect but, really you know when you, think about it

609
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:18,899
Speaker 2: just that the pragmatics of it.

610
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:20,379
Speaker 3: Is very difficult do you know the sex?

611
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:23,579
Speaker 2: Of a fly it's, an INTERESTING question but i won't

612
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:26,299
Speaker 2: get into it because there's nothing. TO get into i

613
00:36:26,339 --> 00:36:27,980
Speaker 2: have no idea how. It was done we assume that

614
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,819
Speaker 2: there was. Some, divine intervention noah, TAKE that fly i.

615
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:33,739
Speaker 2: Missed that one, take that one. And so on, at

616
00:36:33,779 --> 00:36:39,180
Speaker 2: any rate. Nothing about fish what happened? To the fish

617
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:43,060
Speaker 2: why warrant. The fish killed if all of nature is.

618
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,180
Speaker 3: There, for human use why warrant?

619
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:50,499
Speaker 2: The FISH killed and i read, about twelve commentaries none

620
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:53,259
Speaker 2: of whom dealt. With the, issue one did but it

621
00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:56,819
Speaker 2: was it was such a MYSTICAL answer THAT i just

622
00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:57,820
Speaker 2: i didn't.

623
00:36:57,819 --> 00:36:59,660
Speaker 3: Bother with it the other eleven.

624
00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:04,379
Speaker 2: Simply IGNORED it so i figure, When THIS happens when

625
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:08,859
Speaker 2: I read the tora text and something so, OBVIOUS hits

626
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:09,620
Speaker 2: ME i.

627
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:12,060
Speaker 3: Figure i must. Have MISSED it so i.

628
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:15,259
Speaker 2: READ it again i, read the COMMENTARIES and then I

629
00:37:15,299 --> 00:37:19,580
Speaker 2: figured maybe i, Didn't miss it maybe it's not. DEALT

630
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:26,299
Speaker 2: with well i called up my LAST resort because i

631
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:29,980
Speaker 2: don't like to. Bother the man but my biblical Scholar Hero.

632
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:34,620
Speaker 1: Is jacob milgram This Episode of timeless wisdom will continue.

633
00:37:34,739 --> 00:37:35,339
Speaker 3: Right after this.

634
00:37:40,779 --> 00:37:42,580
Speaker 4: Now back To More Of Dennis.

635
00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:47,980
Speaker 1: Prager's Timeless Wisdom professor jacob Milgram.

636
00:37:48,219 --> 00:37:51,020
Speaker 3: Teaches at berkeley he is one of The world's.

637
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,620
Speaker 2: Leading bible scholars just to give, you two examples he

638
00:37:54,739 --> 00:37:59,779
Speaker 2: is the most perhaps Distinguished series of biblical commentaries. In

639
00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:02,780
Speaker 2: the world Is. The anchor bible he is The. AUTHOR

640
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:06,540
Speaker 2: of Leviticus i mean tora is The. Author of leviticus

641
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:09,779
Speaker 2: he's the author of The commentary on leviticus And For

642
00:38:09,819 --> 00:38:12,899
Speaker 2: The jewish. Publication society series he's the one. Who Did

643
00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:18,460
Speaker 2: numbers so i'm very fortunate to have a long STANDING

644
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:20,299
Speaker 2: relationship and i. CALL him, up i mean it's very

645
00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:22,339
Speaker 2: funny thing when you think about havn't spoken to him

646
00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:22,700
Speaker 2: in about a.

647
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,980
Speaker 3: Half, A year Jack how are dennis great to? Hear your? Voice?

648
00:38:26,020 --> 00:38:33,020
Speaker 3: What's new? Jack why wearrant the fish killed? In the flood? What's? Bothering,

649
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,700
Speaker 3: You dennis well i'll tell you. WHAT'S bothering me i

650
00:38:35,739 --> 00:38:38,100
Speaker 3: don't understand why the. Fish weren't killed and sure enough

651
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:38,779
Speaker 3: he tells me.

652
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:44,100
Speaker 2: That this issue about the fish in this story And in,

653
00:38:44,140 --> 00:38:49,020
Speaker 2: the torah generally was one of the biggest detective stories

654
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:56,620
Speaker 2: of his entire life's work, in biblical studies, because he

655
00:38:56,739 --> 00:39:01,739
Speaker 2: notes and this. IS very interesting i didn't certainly, didn't realize, It,

656
00:39:01,779 --> 00:39:03,859
Speaker 2: he said dennis you don't realize what. You hit here

657
00:39:04,779 --> 00:39:10,819
Speaker 2: there was not a single fish Mentioned. In the torah,

658
00:39:11,339 --> 00:39:12,339
Speaker 2: and it's true.

659
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:15,420
Speaker 3: There are. No fish mentioned.

660
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:20,819
Speaker 2: And he said that and other thing, started ME thinking.

661
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:28,100
Speaker 2: And i realized after hearing a marine biologist Speak After The,

662
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,620
Speaker 2: six day war he Mentioned the following he mentioned That

663
00:39:32,779 --> 00:39:38,660
Speaker 2: After the suez, canal was closed the fish died out

664
00:39:38,819 --> 00:39:41,820
Speaker 2: and they were no longer any fish off The coast

665
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:47,859
Speaker 2: of israel. In that AREA and, THEN i said, i

666
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:52,820
Speaker 2: STARTED inquiring and i began to realize That in ancient

667
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:57,819
Speaker 2: israel they were simply. Unaware a fish they, knew they

668
00:39:57,859 --> 00:40:02,540
Speaker 2: existed but that. Was about it they had no consciousness

669
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:06,339
Speaker 2: as it. Were a fish and he is convinced that

670
00:40:06,339 --> 00:40:10,780
Speaker 2: that is the reason that they're, simply not mentioned which is,

671
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,819
Speaker 2: a you know after all of, what has done you

672
00:40:12,859 --> 00:40:16,979
Speaker 2: figured there must, be some great profound. Biblical reason, here

673
00:40:17,259 --> 00:40:23,299
Speaker 2: he says that's. Probably The reason, and, i'm, sorry. No

674
00:40:23,299 --> 00:40:25,860
Speaker 2: no no the name of, a, fish, halibitch. RIMMED etcetera,

675
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:30,140
Speaker 2: etcetera i mean other, animals are mentioned especially when It.

676
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:33,660
Speaker 2: Comes to kashfort when It, comes to koshfort you have

677
00:40:33,779 --> 00:40:36,900
Speaker 2: fins and, scales are prohibited but you have no. Names

678
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:39,859
Speaker 2: of fish you, Certainly have names rabbi.

679
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:44,460
Speaker 3: Finlay dolphins in the building.

680
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,899
Speaker 2: Of the Tabernacle i'll call jack in the morning and

681
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:55,219
Speaker 2: let you. All on shaves, not, a fish ah not a.

682
00:40:55,259 --> 00:41:03,739
Speaker 2: Fish that's cheap but, you're right ANYWAY that is i

683
00:41:03,859 --> 00:41:06,900
Speaker 2: have another there's, another possible answer, by the way because

684
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:10,899
Speaker 2: it is a fascinating omission that it just does not

685
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:16,819
Speaker 2: mention the. Fish being killed another possibility is it's so

686
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:18,859
Speaker 2: obvious that nobody would.

687
00:41:18,859 --> 00:41:24,939
Speaker 3: Think of it fish can und it would, be Rather

688
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:26,979
Speaker 3: funny and god brought a lot of rain and killed.

689
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:28,979
Speaker 3: All the fish it's.

690
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:32,020
Speaker 2: Not makes, sense in fact if anybody would have thrived,

691
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,140
Speaker 2: during the flood it should have.

692
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:34,500
Speaker 3: Been, THE fish.

693
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:41,460
Speaker 2: However i disqualify that as a possibility because it would

694
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:45,939
Speaker 2: it would imply that somehow or other fish have a

695
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:49,100
Speaker 2: life of their own that, would be valuable whereas the

696
00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:51,099
Speaker 2: other animals are only valuable visa.

697
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:53,819
Speaker 3: The human beings on, the other hand it may. Not

698
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,299
Speaker 3: imply that it's simply that the text wants.

699
00:41:56,339 --> 00:42:01,299
Speaker 2: To be logical fish don't, Die in floods so maybe that.

700
00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:06,739
Speaker 2: Is the reason maybe maybe you didn't need to have all,

701
00:42:06,819 --> 00:42:10,180
Speaker 2: the you know all of the inquiry into the marine

702
00:42:10,219 --> 00:42:13,460
Speaker 2: life Of The. Ancient near east maybe. That's the reason

703
00:42:14,259 --> 00:42:16,579
Speaker 2: it would be it would be. An odd thing god

704
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:18,940
Speaker 2: would have had to have killed the fish in another

705
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:20,939
Speaker 2: way in order for the fish.

706
00:42:20,980 --> 00:42:21,700
Speaker 3: To have died is?

707
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:21,739
Speaker 2: This?

708
00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:33,540
Speaker 3: On fish, yes. You sure.

709
00:42:40,779 --> 00:42:43,539
Speaker 2: Yeah but his statement for those of you, who didn't

710
00:42:43,580 --> 00:42:49,020
Speaker 2: hear and for the viewing audience, around the world the

711
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:56,219
Speaker 2: comment is that forty days of fresh water rain would kill.

712
00:42:56,660 --> 00:43:02,020
Speaker 2: Salt water fish what? About, freshwater fish okay so thank. You,

713
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,420
Speaker 2: For that also i'm not even sure in the depths,

714
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,819
Speaker 2: OF the, ocean i mean those that really live low

715
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,460
Speaker 2: if it would have. Even affected them but an, Interesting

716
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,500
Speaker 2: point anyway it's one of those things that when you

717
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:16,540
Speaker 2: read about you. Would look into, the Other possibility isn't

718
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:20,739
Speaker 2: my third possible choice is that fish, don't matter much.

719
00:43:22,739 --> 00:43:25,059
Speaker 3: And there may be some. Truth to that i'll.

720
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:28,499
Speaker 2: Tell you why there Are laws in judaism on how

721
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,739
Speaker 2: to kill foul and how to, kill land animals but

722
00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:37,580
Speaker 2: no laws on how. To kill fish they're considered basically

723
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:41,299
Speaker 2: to be the most, primitive of species which if, you

724
00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:42,140
Speaker 2: keep fish you know.

725
00:43:42,219 --> 00:43:42,899
Speaker 3: To be true fish.

726
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:48,340
Speaker 2: Are, not smart okay, dogs are smart frogs are, smart

727
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:52,459
Speaker 2: compared probably but fish. Are not smart and perhaps that

728
00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:55,700
Speaker 2: is another reason it. Just, Didn't matter anyway the fish.

729
00:43:55,739 --> 00:43:58,459
Speaker 2: Are not mentioned and whatever reason you'll, come up with you'll.

730
00:43:58,460 --> 00:44:03,100
Speaker 2: Come up with six sixteen make an opening for daylight,

731
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:10,060
Speaker 2: in the yark. And so On god tells noah exactly

732
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,819
Speaker 2: What to do he tells them in every instance. What

733
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:17,900
Speaker 2: To do and god is the director, of events here

734
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:21,140
Speaker 2: which is, by the way again contry as with the

735
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:24,620
Speaker 2: other stories of the crew doing things In the. Ancient

736
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:26,660
Speaker 2: Babylonian stuff here god.

737
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:27,180
Speaker 3: Is the.

738
00:44:27,219 --> 00:44:32,939
Speaker 2: Actor god controls six point twenty. One is interesting God

739
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:37,540
Speaker 2: is instructing, noah and says, for your part take of

740
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:41,500
Speaker 2: everything that is eaten and store it away to service

741
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:42,899
Speaker 2: food for you and for.

742
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,420
Speaker 3: Them, the animals.

743
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:48,420
Speaker 2: Now what is food that is eaten at this point

744
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:57,299
Speaker 2: in biblical, history only vegetation, vegetables and fruit so it

745
00:44:57,380 --> 00:45:00,459
Speaker 2: is almost a reminder to us that they. Are still

746
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,820
Speaker 2: vegetarian you are not to eat any, animals on board

747
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,420
Speaker 2: for one of the obvious reasons being that it would

748
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:10,660
Speaker 2: cause a problem for that species if you ate the

749
00:45:10,739 --> 00:45:14,779
Speaker 2: last two. OF any, group, i mean so just just

750
00:45:14,819 --> 00:45:16,740
Speaker 2: want it to show you it maintains, an inner.

751
00:45:16,779 --> 00:45:21,420
Speaker 3: Coherence all, Right chapter seven.

752
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:24,739
Speaker 2: God tells them god tells him, in the beginning you

753
00:45:24,819 --> 00:45:27,899
Speaker 2: and go to finally go. TO the ark i have

754
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:32,620
Speaker 2: seen that you, are a sadik a righteous person before me.

755
00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:35,500
Speaker 3: In this, Generation once again god.

756
00:45:35,339 --> 00:45:39,620
Speaker 2: Adds, in this generation, and who knows it Might have

757
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,100
Speaker 2: been god's, way, of saying look you're the best of

758
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:44,460
Speaker 2: a bad lot that's back to, our old.

759
00:45:44,259 --> 00:45:48,140
Speaker 3: Thing or you're even. In this generation you're. An, incredible sadi.

760
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:54,460
Speaker 2: Next of, every clean animal you shall take seven pairs males.

761
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:57,540
Speaker 2: And their mates and if every animal that is not

762
00:45:57,739 --> 00:46:02,859
Speaker 2: clean to a male. And its mate interesting thing here you,

763
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:05,859
Speaker 2: probably all know and, if you don't it's something you

764
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:10,259
Speaker 2: certainly should. Become aware of there Is in. The biblical world.

765
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:17,299
Speaker 2: There are two there is. A major division the traditional

766
00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:18,660
Speaker 2: believer holds That these.

767
00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:22,219
Speaker 3: Are god's words the, non.

768
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:25,980
Speaker 2: Traditional believer who may still be a traditional practitioner of

769
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:30,500
Speaker 2: the religion but, not traditional believer holds with. A documentary

770
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:35,460
Speaker 2: hypothesis virtually, every biblical, scholar not every virtually every holds

771
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:41,060
Speaker 2: that there are strands of Stories In, the hebrew Bible.

772
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:44,340
Speaker 3: In the Toro, in, the torah specifically.

773
00:46:44,259 --> 00:46:51,459
Speaker 2: They Are, Four, strands, jehovah Elohim. Priestly and deuteronomic deuteronomic

774
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:54,380
Speaker 2: is only The. Book of deuteronomy let's. Leave, that aside

775
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,700
Speaker 2: otherwise what they say are there are three strands that an.

776
00:46:58,819 --> 00:47:03,180
Speaker 2: Editor put together one was done by the priests and.

777
00:47:03,259 --> 00:47:04,940
Speaker 3: The priestly class.

778
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:08,140
Speaker 2: One was done by what they call the Person who

779
00:47:08,299 --> 00:47:12,380
Speaker 2: Used elohim for god's name and the Person who used

780
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:13,620
Speaker 2: Jehovah jay.

781
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:16,700
Speaker 3: For god's name there.

782
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,219
Speaker 2: It is not easy, to refute THAT nor do i

783
00:47:19,219 --> 00:47:22,299
Speaker 2: have any desire here. To refuse that i'm merely explaining

784
00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:24,660
Speaker 2: to you how some. People SEE it and i will give.

785
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:27,540
Speaker 2: You AN example what i just read To you Was

786
00:47:27,819 --> 00:47:33,419
Speaker 2: god instructing noah takes seven pairs of clean animals. Into

787
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:38,140
Speaker 2: the arc but Right before that god had instructed and,

788
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:44,739
Speaker 2: in this, case hold On. This is jehovah if you read,

789
00:47:44,859 --> 00:47:47,579
Speaker 2: seven to one you will see What name for God

790
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:52,379
Speaker 2: has Used yahweh or. Jehovah CORRECT beforehand. AND i don't

791
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:55,660
Speaker 2: I can't either i'll find it immediately. Or.

792
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:57,379
Speaker 3: Yet.

793
00:47:57,460 --> 00:48:07,060
Speaker 2: Beforehand yep perfect please look at verse thirteen, On chapter,

794
00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:11,500
Speaker 2: Six chapter six Verse Thirteen Says. Byomed Elohima noah god

795
00:48:11,739 --> 00:48:15,300
Speaker 2: Elohim speaking, to noah.

796
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:16,339
Speaker 3: Says take two pair.

797
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:17,620
Speaker 2: Of.

798
00:48:17,779 --> 00:48:19,620
Speaker 3: Every, species.

799
00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:26,739
Speaker 2: Seven god speaking with The, other, name jehovah says take

800
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:30,099
Speaker 2: seven pair of. The clean species i'll talk what clean

801
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:34,700
Speaker 2: species or pure species means. In a minute this is

802
00:48:34,739 --> 00:48:38,500
Speaker 2: a perfect example for you to understand. The documentary hypothesis

803
00:48:38,779 --> 00:48:41,940
Speaker 2: what did, The scholar say obviously we, have two stories?

804
00:48:43,219 --> 00:48:44,499
Speaker 3: Which is it is it.

805
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:46,579
Speaker 2: Two of every pair or is it two of every

806
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:49,499
Speaker 2: pair and seven of? The clean pair and Since it's

807
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:53,060
Speaker 2: different god's name used in, each particular case it's clear

808
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:57,140
Speaker 2: we have two different stories that the editor simply put.

809
00:48:57,140 --> 00:49:00,580
Speaker 2: Into one text i'm gonna take a, vote WITH you

810
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:03,419
Speaker 2: because i don't think you have a particular bias most

811
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:05,739
Speaker 2: of you one way. Or the other how many of

812
00:49:05,819 --> 00:49:10,019
Speaker 2: you think that it is two, stories totally different one

813
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:13,620
Speaker 2: based On an elo, hymn story teller one Based on,

814
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:18,740
Speaker 2: a jehovah storyteller or one story which uses different names

815
00:49:18,739 --> 00:49:22,779
Speaker 2: for gods, for whatever reason but merely embellished the original

816
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,180
Speaker 2: order with an additional order takes seven of the pure

817
00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:28,940
Speaker 2: and two. Of the other do you think it's totally

818
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:31,500
Speaker 2: separate stories or do you think it's one story with

819
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:32,060
Speaker 2: two Different?

820
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:32,419
Speaker 3: Names of?

821
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:37,820
Speaker 2: God separate stories? Raise your, hand one story two Different.

822
00:49:37,859 --> 00:49:38,779
Speaker 2: Names of god.

823
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,339
Speaker 3: I'll bet you was. Fifty to fifty i'll bet you

824
00:49:42,339 --> 00:49:43,100
Speaker 3: it was exactly.

825
00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:49,299
Speaker 2: Fifty, to fifty now that's an INTERESTING thing when, i

826
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:51,980
Speaker 2: READ this and i don't have a particular bias, in

827
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:55,859
Speaker 2: EITHER direction because I believe that I'm still studying god's word.

828
00:49:55,900 --> 00:50:00,060
Speaker 3: Whether or not there are different documents weeding, in or

829
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:02,499
Speaker 3: not so it doesn't matter to me which.

830
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:05,180
Speaker 2: Turns OUT right but i want, you to understand if

831
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:07,980
Speaker 2: you ever hear of, the documentary hypothesis don't think that

832
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:14,060
Speaker 2: automatically it. Makes PERFECT sense because i kept reading that

833
00:50:14,299 --> 00:50:19,180
Speaker 2: this instruction to take seven pair of clean animals contradicts,

834
00:50:19,219 --> 00:50:20,739
Speaker 2: the first instruction.

835
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:24,859
Speaker 3: Which only mentioned two pair. Of all animals it.

836
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,459
Speaker 2: Doesn't contradict it. It's not true it's. Not a contradiction.

837
00:50:28,739 --> 00:50:31,939
Speaker 2: It's an addition i'm telling you now, one thing. Else

838
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:34,620
Speaker 2: take seven, others will Say why didn't god tell it?

839
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,100
Speaker 2: At one time that's not the way they wrote text.

840
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:40,460
Speaker 2: In those days you give one. Instruction they embellished be that.

841
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:45,140
Speaker 2: As it may God does instruct noah take seven pairs,

842
00:50:45,739 --> 00:50:48,099
Speaker 2: of clean animals two.

843
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,580
Speaker 3: Pair of unclean why is? A clean?

844
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:54,019
Speaker 2: Animal clean animal has nothing to, do with cushwret even

845
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:56,859
Speaker 2: though later it. Is used there it has to do

846
00:50:56,980 --> 00:51:01,460
Speaker 2: with that which could Be. Sacrificed to god this is

847
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:04,100
Speaker 2: critical for you to understand because the First thing that

848
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:06,939
Speaker 2: noah does when he gets out of the ark is Sacrifice.

849
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:10,140
Speaker 2: Animals to god and he only takes of the clean

850
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:15,700
Speaker 2: now that was understood in. The, ancient world clearly, in

851
00:51:15,779 --> 00:51:21,060
Speaker 2: every civilization some animals were fit. To be sacrificed animals

852
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,859
Speaker 2: were not fit. To be sacrificed that was. The only

853
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:29,060
Speaker 2: issue extras were taken because they. Would be sacrificeable that was.

854
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,379
Speaker 2: The whole thing it may not, make you comfortable BUT

855
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:34,500
Speaker 2: at least i want you to understand. The particular issue,

856
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,299
Speaker 2: by the way only when We get TO leviticus will

857
00:51:37,299 --> 00:51:39,459
Speaker 2: i deal with. This at length but since that may

858
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,939
Speaker 2: not happen till, you have grandchildren let me therefore tell

859
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:44,060
Speaker 2: you very in a.

860
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:46,899
Speaker 3: Sentence or two.

861
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:50,140
Speaker 2: Unless you are, a strict vegetarian you have no argument.

862
00:51:50,219 --> 00:51:52,180
Speaker 3: With animal sacrifice.

863
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:55,899
Speaker 2: You cannot tell me that it is okay to kill,

864
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:59,180
Speaker 2: cows for hamburgers but it's not okay to kill cows

865
00:51:59,180 --> 00:51:59,459
Speaker 2: to Get.

866
00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:01,660
Speaker 3: Closer, TO god okay i.

867
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,899
Speaker 2: Don't buy that so if you're, A strict vegetarian i

868
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:09,299
Speaker 2: understand your, Problem with sacrifice but, if you're not you

869
00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:12,420
Speaker 2: Can have any, in my opinion it is simply another

870
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:15,339
Speaker 2: reason for human beings to, kill an animal and the

871
00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:18,180
Speaker 2: only issue comes do they, suffer or not not whether or.

872
00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:21,380
Speaker 2: NOT they're killed i am not a propos. OF animal

873
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:25,460
Speaker 2: sacrifice i am a defender. Of, its practice However, in

874
00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:29,660
Speaker 2: the Biblical in the, Torah story anyway that is why

875
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:33,340
Speaker 2: he has told. Seven of those here's a. Touching little

876
00:52:33,339 --> 00:52:37,180
Speaker 2: thing now. Listen to this of, every clean animal you

877
00:52:37,219 --> 00:52:39,020
Speaker 2: shall take seven pairs males.

878
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:41,580
Speaker 3: And their mates and of every animal that, is, not

879
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,339
Speaker 3: clean too a male.

880
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:46,460
Speaker 2: And its mate of the birds, of the sky also

881
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:52,339
Speaker 2: seven pairs. Male and female why, doesn't it say with,

882
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:57,140
Speaker 2: regard to birds the animal and it's a male. And

883
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:02,420
Speaker 2: its mate why does it say there? MALE and female,

884
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:06,380
Speaker 2: i think again we have a Hint of the torah's

885
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:09,779
Speaker 2: view that there was a. Hierarchy in animals you know what?

886
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,020
Speaker 2: Terms it, uses very sweet you know what. Terms it

887
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:15,100
Speaker 2: used it Says, in your english At, least my english

888
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:17,899
Speaker 2: a male. And its mate but do you know it's

889
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:22,100
Speaker 2: the same words as a. Husband and wife another way

890
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:25,419
Speaker 2: of translating it would be of, every clean animal you

891
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:31,060
Speaker 2: shall take seven pairs husbands. And their wives each Toe

892
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:33,940
Speaker 2: is the hebrew a man and, his woman literally.

893
00:53:35,259 --> 00:53:37,939
Speaker 3: And it's interesting. That it's used it's never used that

894
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:40,339
Speaker 3: way with Animals, in the torah a man. And his.

895
00:53:40,460 --> 00:53:45,419
Speaker 2: Woman, it's norrible actually it uses, male and female which

896
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:47,860
Speaker 2: is what it. DOES with birds i am a strict

897
00:53:47,859 --> 00:53:50,739
Speaker 2: believer that the Words of the torah are. Very carefully, chosen,

898
00:53:51,339 --> 00:53:55,339
Speaker 2: editor no editor they are. Very CAREFULLY chosen and i

899
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:58,380
Speaker 2: think the reason is that when you're talking, about higher

900
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:01,539
Speaker 2: animals you can actually talk about a man and its

901
00:54:01,580 --> 00:54:04,979
Speaker 2: mate much more than a male, and its mate much

902
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:08,500
Speaker 2: more than you, can with birds who. Are simply lower and,

903
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:10,899
Speaker 2: with the fish we don't even. Bother at all and,

904
00:54:11,219 --> 00:54:13,259
Speaker 2: by the way AND that remember i told you that

905
00:54:13,299 --> 00:54:16,219
Speaker 2: there Was a mystical there was a mystical reason for

906
00:54:16,339 --> 00:54:17,620
Speaker 2: not mentioning THE fish that.

907
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,259
Speaker 3: I totally rejected do you want?

908
00:54:19,259 --> 00:54:22,100
Speaker 2: To hear it, if you don't, I'll, Tell you okay

909
00:54:22,779 --> 00:54:27,580
Speaker 2: the reason was this very it's, really it's interesting but

910
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:28,379
Speaker 2: it's not my.

911
00:54:28,460 --> 00:54:29,819
Speaker 3: Cup Of tea but i'll tell. It to you.

912
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:35,580
Speaker 2: One of the things for which people were apparently. Punished.

913
00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:39,660
Speaker 2: Was lawlessness? Murder why murder how do we? Know was

914
00:54:39,739 --> 00:54:42,060
Speaker 2: murder because it only is One word and, hebrew come us.

915
00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:44,180
Speaker 2: Which is lawlessness how.

916
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:45,939
Speaker 3: Do we know that? It was murdered i'll tell you

917
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:46,939
Speaker 3: in a moment when we.

918
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:55,140
Speaker 2: Get to it stealing and promiscuity of a truly Exalted even. Trans,

919
00:54:55,219 --> 00:55:02,299
Speaker 2: CALIFORNIAN dimension okay i, mean, all right now THIS particular

920
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:04,540
Speaker 2: rabbi i don't recall who it was, who wrote this.

921
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:09,660
Speaker 2: Wrote as, Follows he said.

922
00:55:08,219 --> 00:55:13,219
Speaker 3: God expected fish. To be promiscuous.

923
00:55:14,299 --> 00:55:18,180
Speaker 2: They are already there's no concept of mate whatsoever in,

924
00:55:18,219 --> 00:55:23,620
Speaker 2: the fish kingdom none where. They their children they're totally

925
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:24,219
Speaker 2: they are the.

926
00:55:24,259 --> 00:55:25,020
Speaker 3: Antithesis.

927
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:28,660
Speaker 2: Of civilization fish but with the higher animals there is

928
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:33,339
Speaker 2: at least some more, movement towards civilization. As it were

929
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:37,260
Speaker 2: and so they were that you can't punish the fish,

930
00:55:37,299 --> 00:55:39,979
Speaker 2: in any event because that's exactly what you. EXPECT from

931
00:55:39,980 --> 00:55:42,219
Speaker 2: them i, didn't BUY it but i just wanted you

932
00:55:42,259 --> 00:55:44,219
Speaker 2: to understand the idea of hierarchy and.

933
00:55:44,259 --> 00:55:45,859
Speaker 3: Animals make sense and.

934
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:49,860
Speaker 2: Here's an example birds, male and female but the higher

935
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:53,780
Speaker 2: animals bring them in as man and, woman or, male

936
00:55:53,819 --> 00:55:56,939
Speaker 2: you know using the terms for. Man and woman that's

937
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:59,299
Speaker 2: one of the beauties Of. Knowing the hebrew but even

938
00:55:59,299 --> 00:56:01,219
Speaker 2: if You, don't know hebrew you could see the difference

939
00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:04,100
Speaker 2: where male and female are not used except. For the

940
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:14,700
Speaker 2: birds except. For, the, birds, okay now okay, On seven sixteen.

941
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:19,820
Speaker 3: Thus.

942
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:25,299
Speaker 2: They had entered thus they that entered comprised male and female.

943
00:56:25,299 --> 00:56:29,299
Speaker 2: Of All flesh as god, Had commanded him Noah and

944
00:56:29,339 --> 00:56:32,660
Speaker 2: the lord shut him In.

945
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:32,100
Speaker 3: In the dna.

946
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:36,180
Speaker 2: Pished him story, utna pished him. Shuts the hatch, In

947
00:56:36,259 --> 00:56:40,180
Speaker 2: this story god shuts the. Hatch to you this is

948
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:44,780
Speaker 2: a little detail. To the listener two thousand and five,

949
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:46,020
Speaker 2: hundred years.

950
00:56:45,739 --> 00:56:46,980
Speaker 3: Ago this was.

951
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:51,100
Speaker 2: A big difference god. Runs the world god did. The

952
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:59,180
Speaker 2: whole thing, Next eight, one chapter eight we have.

953
00:56:59,299 --> 00:57:01,020
Speaker 3: The the uh we.

954
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:04,219
Speaker 2: Have everything destroyed just to keep up, With the story

955
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:11,100
Speaker 2: everything that which. Existed is destroyed and the waters arose

956
00:57:11,299 --> 00:57:14,660
Speaker 2: for one hundred. And fifty days it Rained for forty

957
00:57:14,739 --> 00:57:18,100
Speaker 2: they arose for one hundred and fifty and we began

958
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:22,740
Speaker 2: then began To receive. Eight verse one when the waters

959
00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:24,500
Speaker 2: it swelled on the earth one hundred.

960
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:24,860
Speaker 3: And fifty.

961
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,820
Speaker 2: Days excuse, Me eight One god remembered noah and all

962
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:30,820
Speaker 2: the beasts and all the cattle that were with him,

963
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:33,540
Speaker 2: in The ark and god caused the wind to blow,

964
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:38,300
Speaker 2: across the earth and. The waters, Subsided once again god is.

965
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:40,260
Speaker 2: In complete control do you know what it Was in?

966
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:43,820
Speaker 2: The mesopotamian story it really would crack YOU up if

967
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:45,820
Speaker 2: i read. It to you as soon as the gods.

968
00:57:45,860 --> 00:57:49,700
Speaker 2: Unleashed the floods they all got scared because they. Couldn't

969
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:55,460
Speaker 2: stop them they didn't control Nature like the God of the.

970
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:59,780
Speaker 2: Bible controls nature, they got scared they cowered from what they.

971
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:03,500
Speaker 3: Had actually unleashed. It's fascinating Difference.

972
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,060
Speaker 2: But, here, god says, Okay it's time i'll, send a

973
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,260
Speaker 2: wind and now things. Will, get dry, then of, course

974
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:13,060
Speaker 2: you know and then, By the way god. Just wills

975
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,820
Speaker 2: It remember, in genesis one let, there be light. There

976
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,700
Speaker 2: was light let there, be water separate, the water separated.

977
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:18,939
Speaker 3: And so.

978
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:22,980
Speaker 2: On Same thing here god said he, brought a wind

979
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:25,700
Speaker 2: and the fountains of the deep and the fuggets of

980
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:27,620
Speaker 2: the sky, were stopped up and the rain from the sky.

981
00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:29,700
Speaker 3: Was held. Back that's it god.

982
00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:33,500
Speaker 2: Just wants. It it happens, it's very. Calm very smooth

983
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:38,700
Speaker 2: then on the, date that's given it actually. Gives a

984
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:43,099
Speaker 2: date on The, mountains of ararat which we Identify. Today

985
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:49,860
Speaker 2: as armenia, the arc rested and he sent, out a,

986
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:53,140
Speaker 2: raven came back sent, out a. Dove came, back third

987
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:56,380
Speaker 2: time realized it. Didn't come back that he had, found

988
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:59,180
Speaker 2: dry land and he knew that he could open things

989
00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:05,140
Speaker 2: up and begin to. Leave, the ark now look at

990
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:10,220
Speaker 2: this interesting. Thing Eight sixteen and God said to, noah

991
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:14,220
Speaker 2: eight fifteen, now eight sixteen come out, of the ark

992
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:18,780
Speaker 2: leave the ark together, with your, wife your sons and.

993
00:59:18,860 --> 00:59:22,180
Speaker 3: Your son's wives did you get?

994
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:28,580
Speaker 2: The? Order there now please read eight eighteen. Two Versus

995
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:34,140
Speaker 2: later so noah came out together, with his, sons his

996
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:39,140
Speaker 2: wife and. HIS son's wives i want to give credit where.

997
00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:42,740
Speaker 2: It is due this one Is Due, to leon cass

998
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:46,220
Speaker 2: Professor at The, university of chicago who points out that

999
00:59:46,340 --> 00:59:54,260
Speaker 2: this was a Big mistake. On noah's part God, said

1000
00:59:54,300 --> 01:00:02,499
Speaker 2: to noah go out with your wife and your sons and.

1001
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:07,940
Speaker 2: Your son's wives but he went out with his sons.

1002
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:12,340
Speaker 2: And his wife and the point that cast makes is a.

1003
01:00:12,420 --> 01:00:15,580
Speaker 2: Very powerful one let me read it to you because.

1004
01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:20,260
Speaker 2: It's his Words It's, In commentary magazine june. Nineteen ninety

1005
01:00:20,260 --> 01:00:25,580
Speaker 2: two noah reverses the order and emerges first with his

1006
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:29,860
Speaker 2: sons and only then with his wife and. His son's

1007
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:33,460
Speaker 2: wives failing to give proper place.

1008
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:36,140
Speaker 3: To his wife.

1009
01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:40,380
Speaker 2: Noah has perhaps inadvertently failed to appreciate the right order,

1010
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:45,460
Speaker 2: of the household fail to see that leading a family

1011
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:50,620
Speaker 2: life means more than, sowing your seed fail to recognize

1012
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:56,180
Speaker 2: that it requires honoring both father and mother if transmission is.

1013
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:57,300
Speaker 3: To take place.

1014
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,860
Speaker 2: And now, he adds fascinatingly and if you stick With,

1015
01:01:01,940 --> 01:01:05,180
Speaker 2: me through genesis this will be the single most recurring

1016
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:09,820
Speaker 2: pattern in the book. Measure for measure as, We shall

1017
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:15,380
Speaker 2: see noah will have his own paternal authority challenged by one.

1018
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:20,459
Speaker 2: Of his sons he challenged. Her maternal authority he's going

1019
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:26,460
Speaker 2: to get his. Paternal Authority challenged The book of genesis

1020
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:32,700
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly after these First chapters of god's ethical monotheistic omnipotence

1021
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:37,900
Speaker 2: is a book that, says the following as you, as

1022
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:41,380
Speaker 2: the mother then you will. Deny the centrality you will

1023
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:47,380
Speaker 2: have your fatherhood, denied its centuality which is exactly what

1024
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:51,620
Speaker 2: happens in spades, a little later as we. Will see

1025
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:56,740
Speaker 2: tonight but? Isn't That fascinating how god? THESE are things

1026
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:59,540
Speaker 2: i read THIS thing that i read, one hundred times

1027
01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:02,340
Speaker 2: probably one hundred times. In MY life if i read it,

1028
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:05,500
Speaker 2: FOUR hundred more i would. Not have noticed that is

1029
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:07,340
Speaker 2: why you need to learn from people in.

1030
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:08,140
Speaker 3: This stuff who would.

1031
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:10,419
Speaker 2: Pick that up god tells them the order, to come

1032
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,780
Speaker 2: out and it's reversed, in the text and you don't.

1033
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:15,459
Speaker 3: Think that's intentional all of these things.

1034
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:18,419
Speaker 2: Tell you something that's the, beauty of it that's the,

1035
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:21,100
Speaker 2: profundity of it that's The divinity of but, from my

1036
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:24,580
Speaker 2: perspective you can't quite do the Same, thing to shakespeare

1037
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:25,420
Speaker 2: who is certainly.

1038
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:32,180
Speaker 3: Brilliant eight nineteen, the Next sentence.

1039
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:37,620
Speaker 2: So noah came, Out excuse me, so every animal, every

1040
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:41,180
Speaker 2: creeping thing, and every bird everything that stirs on the

1041
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:45,260
Speaker 2: earth came out of the. Art by families even they came.

1042
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:48,620
Speaker 2: Out by families this is the, Touching little. Phrase noah's

1043
01:02:48,660 --> 01:02:51,020
Speaker 2: family then it's followed by, ard varc.

1044
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:54,580
Speaker 3: Family, and you know, and you know just, down the

1045
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:55,300
Speaker 3: line it's a very.

1046
01:02:55,340 --> 01:02:57,860
Speaker 2: Touching little thing, and you know the imagery, is so

1047
01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:01,340
Speaker 2: powerful that is it is one it is amazing that

1048
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,900
Speaker 2: they don't make more films for, especially for kids on

1049
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:05,500
Speaker 2: the basis.

1050
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,900
Speaker 3: Of this stuff it is just. It's really incomparable.

1051
01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:13,340
Speaker 2: See and, by, the way again you can think of

1052
01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:15,660
Speaker 2: a of a of, a dog family Of an.

1053
01:03:15,820 --> 01:03:19,260
Speaker 3: Ard vark family you couldn't think of. A fish, family

1054
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:23,540
Speaker 3: you know it is. It really is there is something here.

1055
01:03:23,580 --> 01:03:26,060
Speaker 2: About the, fish that's why, BY the way i must,

1056
01:03:26,140 --> 01:03:29,900
Speaker 2: tell you that in my own perspective on the issue,

1057
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:34,380
Speaker 2: OF animal eating i do draw a distinction between meat eating.

1058
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:36,620
Speaker 2: AND fish eating i think there really ought to, be,

1059
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:44,060
Speaker 2: three categories vegetarian. Carnivore, and fishytarian, well to me it,

1060
01:03:44,060 --> 01:03:47,340
Speaker 2: WOULD make sense i. REALLY do see i don't believe

1061
01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:52,019
Speaker 2: that you are violating moral norms in any way. By

1062
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:55,380
Speaker 2: eating fish they're there, to be eaten it. SEEMS to

1063
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:57,260
Speaker 2: me I don't want i don't want to get into

1064
01:03:57,260 --> 01:03:58,620
Speaker 2: an argument if you don't think they're there, to be

1065
01:03:58,660 --> 01:03:59,340
Speaker 2: eaten that they.

1066
01:03:59,420 --> 01:04:02,100
Speaker 3: Don't, ENJOY life. OKAY i won't i won't. Argue. With it.

1067
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:14,700
Speaker 2: Okay eight twenty do, me a favor. Write it down

1068
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:17,140
Speaker 2: i'm dying to get. Police do though i'm serious ABOUT

1069
01:04:17,180 --> 01:04:19,220
Speaker 2: that because i. Always LEAVE time but i do want

1070
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:25,140
Speaker 2: to get through the text as best, As, LET'S see,

1071
01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:30,260
Speaker 2: Yes a twenty what is the First thing that noah

1072
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:34,100
Speaker 2: does Upon? Leaving the ark noah built an Altar, to

1073
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:37,140
Speaker 2: the lord and taking of every clean animal and, every

1074
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:41,180
Speaker 2: clean bird he offered burnt offerings. On, the altar now

1075
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:45,459
Speaker 2: that's why he had the seven of. The clean ones he,

1076
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:51,459
Speaker 2: couldn't sacrifice obviously right could not sacrifice any, of the

1077
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:56,620
Speaker 2: others there would. Be, No, species interestingly CASS whose point

1078
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,580
Speaker 2: i loved, about the parents makes A point that i.

1079
01:04:59,620 --> 01:05:02,700
Speaker 2: Don't agree with i'll read, it, to you though just

1080
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:06,220
Speaker 2: so that you'll understand how different people can. Read a

1081
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:12,660
Speaker 2: text this is what He writes about noah. Offering a sacrifice.

1082
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:17,540
Speaker 2: In eight twenty noah offers a sacrifice of gratitude of

1083
01:05:17,620 --> 01:05:21,660
Speaker 2: every clean beast and. Every clean fowl italicizes the word

1084
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:25,500
Speaker 2: every which is in the tourum in thus offering up

1085
01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:26,140
Speaker 2: scores of.

1086
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:29,660
Speaker 3: His former Arcmts you get.

1087
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:34,500
Speaker 2: Cast's point already in offering up scores of his. Former

1088
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:38,300
Speaker 2: arc mats he is not pleased Cast about.

1089
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,780
Speaker 3: What noah did guy just lived? With these?

1090
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:43,860
Speaker 2: People 'tis me just lived with these creatures and now

1091
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:47,380
Speaker 2: gives him. Up a sacrifices noah shows something of the

1092
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:52,100
Speaker 2: wildness of the antediluvian man. Pre flood man his impulse

1093
01:05:52,140 --> 01:05:56,700
Speaker 2: to express gratitude is, under the, circumstances thoroughly intelligible but

1094
01:05:56,820 --> 01:05:59,380
Speaker 2: His belief that god would like to gorge himself on

1095
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:05,860
Speaker 2: roast meat. Is utterly unfounded say, THAT'S his argument i don't.

1096
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:08,380
Speaker 2: Agree with it it's obvious That that's why god gave him.

1097
01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:10,700
Speaker 3: The seven clean but it's an interesting.

1098
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:13,860
Speaker 2: Point, in any, event you know he had just, spent

1099
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:16,820
Speaker 2: this time all of this one hundred and fifty days or,

1100
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:20,500
Speaker 2: whatever it was with all these animals and then. Sacrifices

1101
01:06:20,820 --> 01:06:23,980
Speaker 2: of them, AND you know i have no, problem with

1102
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:26,940
Speaker 2: sacrifice but it's hot to sacrifice that which, you've, Related

1103
01:06:26,980 --> 01:06:30,300
Speaker 2: to right it's just that's the. Way it is, it's

1104
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:34,380
Speaker 2: but anyway that's just to give A defense, of CASS'S

1105
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:38,020
Speaker 2: point which i don't think. THE text warrants A twenty

1106
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:47,340
Speaker 2: one god smelled. The pleasing Odor this shook jews, twenty

1107
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:50,980
Speaker 2: five hundred three. Thousand years ago you have. To understand

1108
01:06:51,020 --> 01:06:54,820
Speaker 2: this it does, Nothing. TO you zilch i could tell

1109
01:06:56,460 --> 01:07:01,580
Speaker 2: it absolutely would have Shaken an ancient israelite because in

1110
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:03,420
Speaker 2: all of the ancient.

1111
01:07:05,260 --> 01:07:06,780
Speaker 3: Epics they had.

1112
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:12,740
Speaker 2: The same words their hero also, offered a sacrifice and

1113
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:17,980
Speaker 2: their God also or god's also smelled with favor or smell.

1114
01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:23,419
Speaker 2: The nice odor but they all. Did something afterward some

1115
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:27,100
Speaker 2: of them. Ate it themselves in, the ancient world the

1116
01:07:27,140 --> 01:07:29,420
Speaker 2: belief was that the. Gods ate it it, was a libation.

1117
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:34,180
Speaker 2: Not a sacrifice it's food. For the gods Here, is

1118
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:36,780
Speaker 2: the gilgamashephik the biggest and best known of. All of

1119
01:07:36,820 --> 01:07:43,260
Speaker 2: them the gods smelled the sweet aroma and crowded like flies.

1120
01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:48,419
Speaker 2: Around the sacrificer now do you see how beautiful. This

1121
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:52,940
Speaker 2: sentence is god smelled the sweet aroma. And of. Issue

1122
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:57,580
Speaker 2: that's it he doesn't crowd around the sacrificer.

1123
01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:59,820
Speaker 3: Like a fly that's.

1124
01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:02,380
Speaker 2: Why you need To Know ancient near eastern stuff to

1125
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:03,419
Speaker 2: appreciate what it's.

1126
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:05,780
Speaker 3: Doing, to it Well what?

1127
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:09,380
Speaker 2: DOES god do i just look at the Profundity, versus

1128
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:12,460
Speaker 2: the gilgamasphik and they crowded. Around like flies what are?

1129
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:12,860
Speaker 3: The next?

1130
01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:17,660
Speaker 2: Words in this god savors the fine aroma and says,

1131
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:21,140
Speaker 2: to his heart, says to himself he is. HARD as

1132
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:27,140
Speaker 2: literal i will no longer curse the earth, because of

1133
01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:31,260
Speaker 2: man because the will of man is evil from his

1134
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:33,340
Speaker 2: youth probably The verse or.

1135
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:36,300
Speaker 3: I've quoted the most In my life genesis.

1136
01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:39,900
Speaker 2: Eight twenty ONE and therefore.

1137
01:08:40,019 --> 01:08:41,780
Speaker 3: I will not i.

1138
01:08:41,860 --> 01:08:46,580
Speaker 2: WILL not again i will not continue to hit to

1139
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:51,179
Speaker 2: hurt the LIVING things that. I have made, in, OTHER

1140
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:56,740
Speaker 2: words look i understand that man's will is towards evil,

1141
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:01,780
Speaker 2: from his youth or from the beginning though they are

1142
01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:05,900
Speaker 2: different how, you read it whichever way. You read it

1143
01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:08,979
Speaker 2: though this is certainly A theme that i have developed

1144
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:11,179
Speaker 2: and don't want to develop a great, length At all

1145
01:09:11,979 --> 01:09:15,460
Speaker 2: because i've spoken so. Much about it There is no

1146
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:19,219
Speaker 2: jewish basis for the belief that people, are basically.

1147
01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:22,220
Speaker 3: Good none whatsoever it Is not.

1148
01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:27,340
Speaker 2: A Jewish belief a Jew who takes judaism seriously, in

1149
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:32,220
Speaker 2: any Way, liberal or orthodox just cannot hold that, in

1150
01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:35,820
Speaker 2: good faith, with his outlook with.

1151
01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,979
Speaker 3: His religion's outlook it is a.

1152
01:09:38,099 --> 01:09:44,019
Speaker 2: Secular humanist belief it is a radical belief that people

1153
01:09:44,019 --> 01:09:47,939
Speaker 2: are basically good and they are corrupted. By, external forces

1154
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:52,500
Speaker 2: no we have, bad in us we have, good in

1155
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:56,499
Speaker 2: us and we are in control or, not in control

1156
01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:59,620
Speaker 2: depending on. Who we are And that's what god. Is

1157
01:09:59,660 --> 01:10:03,099
Speaker 2: saying here this is. WHAT you are i won't curse

1158
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:04,420
Speaker 2: the world. BECAUSE of it.

1159
01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:06,620
Speaker 3: I recognize it this is.

1160
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:12,019
Speaker 2: What you, are you continue you might, destroy THE World but.

1161
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:16,580
Speaker 2: I god won't THIS is my I have another i am.

1162
01:10:16,620 --> 01:10:20,259
Speaker 2: Making another ATTEMPT but now i give, you my word

1163
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:23,139
Speaker 2: as you will NOW see that i will not. Destroy

1164
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:31,060
Speaker 2: the world and, in twenty two in, a Very, beautiful

1165
01:10:31,220 --> 01:10:36,620
Speaker 2: beautiful hebrew it says so long as the earth endures seed,

1166
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:42,580
Speaker 2: time and harvest, cold and eat, summer and winter day

1167
01:10:42,580 --> 01:10:50,300
Speaker 2: and night Shall. NOT Cease god i god won't. Interrupt nature, anymore.

1168
01:10:51,340 --> 01:10:51,540
Speaker 3: That's.

1169
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:58,740
Speaker 2: Powerful isn't it. WHAT happens happens i in that way.

1170
01:10:58,860 --> 01:11:02,939
Speaker 2: Am stepping back you man wish, to ruin. It ruin

1171
01:11:03,019 --> 01:11:06,339
Speaker 2: it you want to, pollute the world. Pollute the world

1172
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:08,660
Speaker 2: you want to bomb the world, to smith rings bomb

1173
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:11,580
Speaker 2: the world. To smith rings you want, to commit. GENOCIDE

1174
01:11:11,780 --> 01:11:13,420
Speaker 2: commit genocide i.

1175
01:11:13,460 --> 01:11:14,259
Speaker 3: WON'T stop, YOU.

1176
01:11:16,019 --> 01:11:18,900
Speaker 2: I tried i, did Stop you but i'm not going to.

1177
01:11:18,939 --> 01:11:22,700
Speaker 3: DO it again i now know. What you are you know.

1178
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:24,099
Speaker 3: What You are but god.

1179
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:28,419
Speaker 2: Doesn't give up god is going to, do something, now

1180
01:11:28,939 --> 01:11:37,460
Speaker 2: very dramatic in order to to change what.

1181
01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:42,740
Speaker 3: Happened last time, IN the meantime i.

1182
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:46,059
Speaker 2: Skipped over it but you, do understand That of course

1183
01:11:46,099 --> 01:11:48,620
Speaker 2: god had made the vow not, to destroy anything and

1184
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:52,540
Speaker 2: the rainbow is the symbol of This vow that god

1185
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:56,460
Speaker 2: will not destroy. THE world anymore i told, you LAST

1186
01:11:56,460 --> 01:12:01,099
Speaker 2: time and i. REPEAT this time. A critical element god

1187
01:12:01,180 --> 01:12:05,580
Speaker 2: makes three attempts biblically to make. The world good attempt.

1188
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:11,060
Speaker 2: One is conscience attempt two is. Universal moral law attempt

1189
01:12:11,059 --> 01:12:14,179
Speaker 2: three is Revelation. To the jews we are now an

1190
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:19,820
Speaker 2: attempt to attempt. One failed miserably giving human beings a

1191
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:24,179
Speaker 2: conscience didn't stop them. From becoming Despicable so, NOW god

1192
01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:28,900
Speaker 2: realizes i need. TO reveal morality i can't merely build.

1193
01:12:28,939 --> 01:12:33,099
Speaker 2: IT into people i need. To, reveal it therefore the

1194
01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:34,620
Speaker 2: Very first thing.

1195
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:37,220
Speaker 3: God does after the flood. Is.

1196
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:43,780
Speaker 2: Reveal morality, Look chapter Nine god blessed noah his sons and,

1197
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:45,740
Speaker 2: said to them be fertile and increase and. Fill the

1198
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:48,860
Speaker 2: earth remember it's exactly what He. Said to adam we're starting,

1199
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:52,099
Speaker 2: All over again perua Vu milu with art's the exact

1200
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:54,979
Speaker 2: Same words that God did To. Adam and eve God

1201
01:12:55,019 --> 01:12:58,979
Speaker 2: says to noah and his, children second verse the fear

1202
01:12:59,019 --> 01:13:01,019
Speaker 2: and the dread of you shall be upon all the beasts,

1203
01:13:01,059 --> 01:13:02,820
Speaker 2: of the earth and upon all the birds.

1204
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:06,500
Speaker 3: Of, the sky okay and upon all the fish. Of the,

1205
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:10,380
Speaker 3: sea hey see. They're not neglected so there must have.

1206
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:12,939
Speaker 3: BEEN a REASON i think i may have hit.

1207
01:13:12,979 --> 01:13:17,939
Speaker 2: On, something earlier now why Do you think god says

1208
01:13:18,620 --> 01:13:24,220
Speaker 2: to the survivors of, The world's destruction i'm gonna make animals.

1209
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:24,420
Speaker 3: Afraid of you.

1210
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:30,460
Speaker 2: Because you wouldn't realize that they're a little scared about

1211
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:34,420
Speaker 2: eight of them and all. These animals around if they,

1212
01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:36,860
Speaker 2: don't scare us, DELL eat, us i mean if they're not,

1213
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:37,500
Speaker 2: scared of us.

1214
01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:40,620
Speaker 3: Dell eat us so you, know it's. No, it's practical

1215
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:41,500
Speaker 3: god just don't.

1216
01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:43,500
Speaker 2: WORRY about it i know you coming out, of the

1217
01:13:43,660 --> 01:13:45,939
Speaker 2: ark and even though you were very, nice to them

1218
01:13:45,979 --> 01:13:49,019
Speaker 2: they're not fully aware that you. Saved their lives so

1219
01:13:49,340 --> 01:13:51,860
Speaker 2: we will make them. Afraid, Of you okay so we

1220
01:13:52,019 --> 01:13:58,860
Speaker 2: deal with. That all right now here comes here come

1221
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:03,220
Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating things In, the entire torah

1222
01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:05,140
Speaker 2: the laws that are incumbent.

1223
01:14:05,420 --> 01:14:06,860
Speaker 3: Upon all people.

1224
01:14:08,099 --> 01:14:10,740
Speaker 2: They are known As the seven Laws of The children

1225
01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:14,900
Speaker 2: of noah or The seven. Noah hyde laws Judaism holds

1226
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:18,540
Speaker 2: that jews are responsible to. Hundreds of laws the rest

1227
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:22,660
Speaker 2: of the world is. Responsible to seven it's, gotten from

1228
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:28,219
Speaker 2: here but it's not as clear in every instance as.

1229
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:31,780
Speaker 2: The tradition holds, let's look though what the text. Says

1230
01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:37,620
Speaker 2: we are, In chapter nine god is speaking to, all

1231
01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:40,620
Speaker 2: of humanity, as it were in. Repeating this thing He

1232
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:45,259
Speaker 2: gives laws, law number one be. Fruitful and multiply law

1233
01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:52,299
Speaker 2: number two is coming up, in verse four but verse

1234
01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:52,939
Speaker 2: three has.

1235
01:14:52,979 --> 01:14:54,939
Speaker 3: A revolution here it is.

1236
01:14:57,420 --> 01:15:06,780
Speaker 2: Every creature that lives shall be, yours to eat.

1237
01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:08,259
Speaker 3: Just as with. THE green grasses i give. You, all

1238
01:15:08,340 --> 01:15:19,860
Speaker 3: these ooh you can. Now eat animals until now we were.

1239
01:15:19,939 --> 01:15:23,900
Speaker 2: To be thatarian from The garden of Eden, through the

1240
01:15:24,059 --> 01:15:28,420
Speaker 2: ark we were. To be vegetarian god now. Allows meat,

1241
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:36,780
Speaker 2: eating my friends my favorite question in life is always

1242
01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:42,700
Speaker 2: Why why does god all of a sudden. ALLOW meat

1243
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:49,099
Speaker 2: eating i don't. Have, An Answer serotskin rabbi serotskin has

1244
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:50,220
Speaker 2: an interesting.

1245
01:15:50,300 --> 01:16:00,139
Speaker 3: Thought on it let me read. It to you many theories.

1246
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:01,099
Speaker 3: Have been advanced This is.

1247
01:16:01,099 --> 01:16:04,660
Speaker 2: An orthodox rabbi earlier This century in europe And. Then

1248
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:08,700
Speaker 2: in israel many theories have been Advanced to explain noah's

1249
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:12,260
Speaker 2: descendants being permitted what Was. Forbidden to adam in, my

1250
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:17,179
Speaker 2: humble opinion this allowance has the educational value of teaching man,

1251
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:23,139
Speaker 2: his great worth his superiority. Over the animals the Sins

1252
01:16:23,180 --> 01:16:26,220
Speaker 2: of the flood generation were rooted in ignorance. Of this

1253
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:30,700
Speaker 2: fact they adopted the promiscuous ways, of the animals who

1254
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:34,540
Speaker 2: have no concept of, marriage or family with males selecting

1255
01:16:34,580 --> 01:16:36,419
Speaker 2: and exchanging females, as they.

1256
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,019
Speaker 3: Please assuming that man was free.

1257
01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:42,380
Speaker 2: Like, the animals quote they took for themselves wives from

1258
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:48,580
Speaker 2: Whomever they chose genesis. Five to two according, to the rabbis, even,

1259
01:16:48,620 --> 01:16:53,139
Speaker 2: married women, males or animals for they imagined that man

1260
01:16:53,220 --> 01:16:57,259
Speaker 2: is no better. Than, any animal likewise from seeing animals

1261
01:16:57,340 --> 01:17:01,900
Speaker 2: chasing away the weak from, Good grazing lands. Man learned

1262
01:17:01,979 --> 01:17:06,939
Speaker 2: robbery filling the earth with. Violence and slaughter, hence the

1263
01:17:07,019 --> 01:17:12,540
Speaker 2: flood being beside being punishment, for the wicked served Also

1264
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:16,340
Speaker 2: to teach noah and later generations that man is the.

1265
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:21,460
Speaker 2: Center of creation in order to dispel man's men misconception

1266
01:17:22,059 --> 01:17:25,860
Speaker 2: that he and the, Animals are Equals god permitted noah

1267
01:17:25,939 --> 01:17:29,700
Speaker 2: and his descendants to consume the flesh of all creatures

1268
01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:33,340
Speaker 2: to teach man that when he, consumes an, animal that

1269
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,620
Speaker 2: animal by helping to build, the man's body is. Itself elevated,

1270
01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:42,420
Speaker 2: spiritually by contrast no living creature is entitled to. Prey

1271
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:47,979
Speaker 2: upon man, of EVERY beast will, I demand it i

1272
01:17:48,019 --> 01:17:48,700
Speaker 2: will demand the.

1273
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:51,580
Speaker 3: Soul of man i'll tell. You about that from.

1274
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:55,139
Speaker 2: This man may learn, his, exalted worth and realizing that

1275
01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:57,780
Speaker 2: he Was made, in god's image he will perform no.

1276
01:17:57,820 --> 01:17:59,620
Speaker 3: More beastly acts.

1277
01:17:59,620 --> 01:18:04,099
Speaker 2: His, answer is this people thought, they were animals and,

1278
01:18:04,099 --> 01:18:07,580
Speaker 2: by the way don't. Laugh at that that is exactly

1279
01:18:07,979 --> 01:18:11,660
Speaker 2: what a serious part of secular Intellectual life, in america

1280
01:18:11,740 --> 01:18:15,299
Speaker 2: holds And in the, western world generally that we are merely,

1281
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:21,500
Speaker 2: animals with brains, with bigger brains and the major way

1282
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:24,900
Speaker 2: to remind people that they're not animals is to enable them.

1283
01:18:24,979 --> 01:18:29,700
Speaker 2: To eat animals this. Is his argument. It makes sense

1284
01:18:30,220 --> 01:18:32,860
Speaker 2: you may not buy, it for you but it. Does

1285
01:18:33,019 --> 01:18:36,780
Speaker 2: make sense it is a CONSTANT statement that i am higher.

1286
01:18:36,820 --> 01:18:39,500
Speaker 2: Than an, animal after all why wouldn't you eat a

1287
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:41,660
Speaker 2: person because you assume you are not.

1288
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:42,700
Speaker 3: Higher than people.

1289
01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:46,820
Speaker 2: That repulses you but the idea of eating animals is not,

1290
01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:49,460
Speaker 2: nearly as repulsive and shouldn't be even if.

1291
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:51,700
Speaker 3: You're a vegetarian it's just not as repulsive.

1292
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:55,259
Speaker 2: As eating people that at any rate is his theory

1293
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:58,740
Speaker 2: as to why. It comes here it's an interesting question and.

1294
01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:03,780
Speaker 2: An interesting answer more interesting is this. Law number two

1295
01:19:04,059 --> 01:19:08,540
Speaker 2: law number one was. Befruitful and multiply law number two

1296
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:16,219
Speaker 2: given here is, in, verse four however you must not

1297
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:25,380
Speaker 2: eat flesh with its life. Blood in it that is

1298
01:19:25,460 --> 01:19:28,500
Speaker 2: the first Of the seven. Noah hide laws but the second,

1299
01:19:28,540 --> 01:19:32,580
Speaker 2: law given here what? Does that mean you can't cut

1300
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:35,340
Speaker 2: off a piece of animal while it's still living, to

1301
01:19:35,420 --> 01:19:39,580
Speaker 2: eat it which was so Common that the torah mentions.

1302
01:19:39,620 --> 01:19:44,660
Speaker 3: This ten times ten Times, in.

1303
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:48,740
Speaker 2: The torah the idea is spoken of with regard to how.

1304
01:19:48,820 --> 01:19:53,059
Speaker 2: Animals were eaten that's how common it was. In the world,

1305
01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:56,860
Speaker 2: oh have refrigeration so if you wanted, a chicken leg

1306
01:19:57,019 --> 01:20:00,780
Speaker 2: you pulled off, a chicken leg and, it's still lived so.

1307
01:20:00,860 --> 01:20:02,140
Speaker 3: WOULD stay fresh.

1308
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:08,259
Speaker 2: I find it powerful in the extreme that, the first

1309
01:20:08,420 --> 01:20:11,740
Speaker 2: law after simply being, fruitful and multiplied that the human

1310
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:15,139
Speaker 2: being is given after the, world is destroyed is not.

1311
01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:17,019
Speaker 3: To torture animals.

1312
01:20:18,140 --> 01:20:23,179
Speaker 2: You, can eat them But don't Hurt that's what. God,

1313
01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:27,300
Speaker 2: is saying, that of course is the. Basis of kushwort you,

1314
01:20:27,380 --> 01:20:30,500
Speaker 2: can eat them but you. Can't hurt them that's what kosher.

1315
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:34,780
Speaker 2: Is ALL about obviously i won't go, into detail now

1316
01:20:34,979 --> 01:20:39,059
Speaker 2: but this is. The world's cushwart It's not the, jews

1317
01:20:39,099 --> 01:20:43,900
Speaker 2: cushwort yet it's. The world's cushwort cushwart has to do

1318
01:20:44,220 --> 01:20:47,740
Speaker 2: with how you kill animals. To eat them so you

1319
01:20:47,780 --> 01:20:50,660
Speaker 2: may not eat an animal where the blood is already going.

1320
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:58,299
Speaker 3: Through, the animal, okay now next but for your.

1321
01:20:58,420 --> 01:21:01,780
Speaker 2: Own, life blood so, in other words you can, kill

1322
01:21:01,820 --> 01:21:02,780
Speaker 2: an animal.

1323
01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:06,700
Speaker 3: But to remind you you're. Not an animal the, next

1324
01:21:06,740 --> 01:21:08,139
Speaker 3: sentence comes this is.

1325
01:21:08,420 --> 01:21:13,299
Speaker 2: Very important stuff but for your, OWN life blood i will.

1326
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:18,099
Speaker 2: REQUIRE a reckoning i will require it of every beast.

1327
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:22,460
Speaker 2: OF man too i will require a reckoning for human

1328
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:25,780
Speaker 2: life of every man for that of. His fellow man

1329
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:31,620
Speaker 2: the second of, the, seven, laws well no it's actually

1330
01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:34,620
Speaker 2: the third of the. Laws given here i'll leave that.

1331
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:36,260
Speaker 3: For a moment is?

1332
01:21:36,340 --> 01:21:41,700
Speaker 2: You cannot murder? Is that clear you can't. Take human lifeblood.

1333
01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:45,500
Speaker 2: You can kill you can spill the, blood of animals

1334
01:21:46,460 --> 01:21:49,540
Speaker 2: but you may not, eat the blood which we'll, talk

1335
01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:52,500
Speaker 2: about later and you may not eat a piece of.

1336
01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:55,740
Speaker 2: A living animal you can, kill an animal you may not.

1337
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:59,820
Speaker 2: Kill a person you may not. Murder a person, IF

1338
01:21:59,860 --> 01:22:05,700
Speaker 2: you do i. Require a reckoning even if a beast kills,

1339
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:09,860
Speaker 2: A human being i. Require a reckoning it is a

1340
01:22:09,979 --> 01:22:15,580
Speaker 2: Law later in detrah that an animal that kills a

1341
01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:22,740
Speaker 2: person must be. Put, to death. Interesting isn't it you,

1342
01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:26,340
Speaker 2: can kill animals but they. Can't, kill you furthermore if they,

1343
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:29,300
Speaker 2: do kill you they are, put to death and so.

1344
01:22:29,979 --> 01:22:30,980
Speaker 3: Is a person.

1345
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:36,860
Speaker 2: One of THE reasons THAT i FEEL i feel i

1346
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:41,260
Speaker 2: am pro capital punishment for murder, for MANY reasons but,

1347
01:22:41,460 --> 01:22:47,460
Speaker 2: i feel deeply deeply enmeshed in The basis of jewish morality.

1348
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:50,179
Speaker 3: From these sentences.

1349
01:22:49,939 --> 01:22:54,139
Speaker 2: Look, at number six whoever sheds the blood of man

1350
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:59,939
Speaker 2: by man shall his? Blood be Shed and the, Torras says,

1351
01:22:59,979 --> 01:23:04,380
Speaker 2: why god says Why this? Is god speaking you Can't in?

1352
01:23:04,460 --> 01:23:08,900
Speaker 2: The torah again and the rainbow is put as the.

1353
01:23:11,059 --> 01:23:11,540
Speaker 3: As the.

1354
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:18,460
Speaker 2: Symbol one Final, point from nahlmsarna who is the who

1355
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:21,900
Speaker 2: is the scholar who has done Genesis for The jewish

1356
01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:27,460
Speaker 2: publication society series on the, capital punishment, issue he wrote

1357
01:23:28,140 --> 01:23:33,740
Speaker 2: capital punishment is here divinely sanctioned murder cannot be recompensed,

1358
01:23:33,740 --> 01:23:37,179
Speaker 2: by monetary restitution as was often the case in. The

1359
01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:41,019
Speaker 2: ancient world remember it was also a battle against. The

1360
01:23:41,019 --> 01:23:44,460
Speaker 2: ancient world you could pay off a debt if. You

1361
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:49,780
Speaker 2: murdered somebody that was Not allowed By. God and judaism

1362
01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:50,979
Speaker 2: you can't pay off.

1363
01:23:51,019 --> 01:23:54,099
Speaker 3: A person's, life.

1364
01:23:53,260 --> 01:23:55,939
Speaker 2: All, right my, FRIENDS any questions i will Not get to.

1365
01:23:57,260 --> 01:24:01,259
Speaker 2: Noah's drunkenness today We'll start with noah's drunkenness next WEEK

1366
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:04,900
Speaker 2: so that I, could, Take yes please god told him.

1367
01:24:04,939 --> 01:24:05,660
Speaker 3: To, go in.

1368
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:20,580
Speaker 2: Okay let's. Check that Out eight fifteen elohebes says, to.

1369
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:23,500
Speaker 3: Know off you and your wife go out.

1370
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:37,179
Speaker 2: Of, the arc yes go. On, eight eighteen. Yes. That's

1371
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:46,139
Speaker 2: right yeah but even if, you were right The use

1372
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:51,900
Speaker 2: of jehovah in twenty is. After, eighteen, none.

1373
01:24:53,180 --> 01:24:53,420
Speaker 3: No.

1374
01:24:53,420 --> 01:24:57,059
Speaker 2: No no no those who believe in the documentary hypothesis would

1375
01:24:57,059 --> 01:24:57,380
Speaker 2: say they're.

1376
01:24:57,380 --> 01:24:57,500
Speaker 3: Two.

1377
01:24:57,540 --> 01:25:01,979
Speaker 2: Different stories OKAY but what i thought you were going

1378
01:25:02,019 --> 01:25:04,620
Speaker 2: to ask is and this would be. A legitimate question

1379
01:25:05,099 --> 01:25:08,740
Speaker 2: it Says here that god, told them leave you and,

1380
01:25:08,780 --> 01:25:11,180
Speaker 2: Your wife leave and it says that he and his

1381
01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:15,099
Speaker 2: children and his. Wife left right but when, they went

1382
01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:17,580
Speaker 2: in he, told him, you your children and your.

1383
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:17,979
Speaker 3: Wife go.

1384
01:25:18,099 --> 01:25:22,580
Speaker 2: In, all right now that would be. A fair Question

1385
01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:25,620
Speaker 2: why did god tell him? To, go in you your children?

1386
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,220
Speaker 3: And SO on and i have no.

1387
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:31,460
Speaker 2: ANSWER to that i can only tell you that the order.

1388
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:32,540
Speaker 2: Was reversed here it had.

1389
01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:32,780
Speaker 3: To be.

1390
01:25:32,820 --> 01:26:13,900
Speaker 2: Deliberate, six two yes.

1391
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:15,299
Speaker 3: There were two.

1392
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:19,340
Speaker 2: Separate questions there the first one was It said that

1393
01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:21,820
Speaker 2: god was disappointed with the, way people acted but he

1394
01:26:21,860 --> 01:26:23,820
Speaker 2: had never told them how he wants. Them to act

1395
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:26,780
Speaker 2: that's not. Till much later it's not, really much later.

1396
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:29,300
Speaker 2: It's already Now that's what. I'm pointing out that is.

1397
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:31,860
Speaker 2: Exactly my point god did tell us how we should.

1398
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,939
Speaker 2: Act through conscience but conscience. Is not Enough remember. Tore

1399
01:26:36,019 --> 01:26:39,460
Speaker 2: bean's teacher for anybody who believes that it is enough to,

1400
01:26:39,460 --> 01:26:42,780
Speaker 2: have a conscience that toras saying, it's not enough people.

1401
01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:43,939
Speaker 3: Will do bad i'll give.

1402
01:26:43,939 --> 01:26:46,059
Speaker 2: You practical example i'm writing an article on.

1403
01:26:46,059 --> 01:26:52,180
Speaker 3: THIS right now i, asked my son who can testify?

1404
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:53,980
Speaker 3: To this truth.

1405
01:26:55,540 --> 01:27:00,019
Speaker 2: During the, DURING the, looting i said? Would you loot

1406
01:27:00,939 --> 01:27:04,580
Speaker 2: and we had a, discussion ON it, and i said

1407
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:06,939
Speaker 2: even if you, could get away if you knew you

1408
01:27:06,939 --> 01:27:07,900
Speaker 2: could get, away with it?

1409
01:27:08,540 --> 01:27:09,979
Speaker 3: Would you loot and? He SAID no and?

1410
01:27:10,019 --> 01:27:12,740
Speaker 2: I said why said because it's in, the ten commandments

1411
01:27:13,780 --> 01:27:14,900
Speaker 2: because you.

1412
01:27:14,939 --> 01:27:17,139
Speaker 3: Can still remember? Is? THAT correct okay?

1413
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:17,420
Speaker 2: I have.

1414
01:27:17,620 --> 01:27:19,539
Speaker 3: TESTIMONY all right.

1415
01:27:21,099 --> 01:27:26,700
Speaker 2: I have a belief, that most Parents most, including JEWISH

1416
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:30,860
Speaker 2: parents and i will add the word, unfortunately for them

1417
01:27:30,939 --> 01:27:35,820
Speaker 2: that would not be. Their favorite answer most Educated parents

1418
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:40,059
Speaker 2: in america would prefer that their, child would, say when

1419
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:42,780
Speaker 2: asked if you knew you could get, away with looting

1420
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:44,379
Speaker 2: why wouldn't?

1421
01:27:44,420 --> 01:27:48,060
Speaker 3: You do it that, the child answer. Because it's wrong.

1422
01:27:50,660 --> 01:27:58,180
Speaker 2: Most secular people think. Conscience is. Enough it isn't.

1423
01:27:59,780 --> 01:28:04,500
Speaker 3: The whole Point of the torah story is that. Conscience

1424
01:28:04,540 --> 01:28:07,059
Speaker 3: isn't enough that you.

1425
01:28:07,099 --> 01:28:10,820
Speaker 2: Need revelation in order from a, reality to succeed that

1426
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:11,540
Speaker 2: you Have to have.

1427
01:28:11,740 --> 01:28:15,300
Speaker 3: God based law it is not enough to.

1428
01:28:15,340 --> 01:28:18,660
Speaker 2: Feel, something is wrong that when push, comes to shove

1429
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:21,260
Speaker 2: people will weaken and we will do.

1430
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:22,580
Speaker 3: The wrong thing not.

1431
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:27,979
Speaker 2: Every single individual for some conscience will be enough for.

1432
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:34,460
Speaker 2: Most of us you need to have Divine revelation the

1433
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:38,420
Speaker 2: god as. An ethical basis so my answer to you

1434
01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:42,220
Speaker 2: is people knew what they should do and. Violated It

1435
01:28:42,260 --> 01:28:45,139
Speaker 2: anyway did nazis know that they were wrong when They.

1436
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:48,540
Speaker 2: Mass murdered jews it's a question that has perplexed me.

1437
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:53,059
Speaker 2: My entire life what Did the Average nazi, shooting jewish

1438
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:57,740
Speaker 2: men women and children and grandmothers and grandfathers.

1439
01:28:58,939 --> 01:28:59,700
Speaker 3: At? Ravines?

1440
01:29:00,140 --> 01:29:05,620
Speaker 2: In ukraine think and it is interesting that THE research

1441
01:29:05,660 --> 01:29:09,139
Speaker 2: that i have done thus far reveals that to a,

1442
01:29:09,380 --> 01:29:12,420
Speaker 2: very large extent they were drunk when. They did it

1443
01:29:13,660 --> 01:29:18,380
Speaker 2: that sober they. Couldn't do it in drunkenness is the

1444
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:22,420
Speaker 2: single most effective blunter of conscience that the, human being

1445
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:26,339
Speaker 2: has which is why you will see the very First

1446
01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:27,220
Speaker 2: problem with.

1447
01:29:27,340 --> 01:29:32,939
Speaker 3: Noah is drunkenness that's the very next Story in the.

1448
01:29:32,979 --> 01:29:36,979
Speaker 2: Bible personal STATEMENT that's why i hate alcohol more than

1449
01:29:37,019 --> 01:29:39,939
Speaker 2: all the vice, is put together because it blunts the

1450
01:29:39,979 --> 01:29:44,139
Speaker 2: conscience much more than any, of the others, more than gambling.

1451
01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:48,740
Speaker 3: More than sex it. Is the worst people will do the.

1452
01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:52,219
Speaker 2: Most horrible things what did they say during the looting?

1453
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:55,460
Speaker 2: And the rioting look at all a beer Flowing in

1454
01:29:55,660 --> 01:29:59,139
Speaker 2: la remember that is one of the first things liquor

1455
01:29:59,180 --> 01:30:02,380
Speaker 2: stores where among the first. Place is looted because that

1456
01:30:02,540 --> 01:30:07,219
Speaker 2: this embodies you. From your conscience conscience can, be pride

1457
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:10,820
Speaker 2: loose far better than being raised with The belief that.

1458
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:15,620
Speaker 2: God said something As for the nephilim and The, children

1459
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:19,220
Speaker 2: of elohim is described in those very Odd sentences.

1460
01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:19,340
Speaker 3: In.

1461
01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:26,500
Speaker 2: Genesis six beginning it probably was an anti polytheistic polemic

1462
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:33,540
Speaker 2: against the belief that gods and people marry, and have

1463
01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:38,580
Speaker 2: intercourse which is exactly what all the, pagan religions argued

1464
01:30:39,019 --> 01:30:43,459
Speaker 2: and that precedes the destruction. Of the world the idea

1465
01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:48,620
Speaker 2: That man and god can have sexual relations so offended

1466
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:52,220
Speaker 2: everything that the monotheistic idea wanted that it was time to.

1467
01:30:52,260 --> 01:31:10,420
Speaker 3: Start all over that's the stuck. Where, it was yes.

1468
01:31:04,059 --> 01:31:07,780
Speaker 2: The question was what was The rationality the israeli governments Taking.

1469
01:31:07,820 --> 01:31:12,820
Speaker 2: Reparations from germany if you cannot accept money in, Compensation

1470
01:31:13,220 --> 01:31:16,099
Speaker 2: for murder they did not take it in. Compensation for

1471
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:21,260
Speaker 2: murder they took it in compensation. For property stolen it

1472
01:31:21,380 --> 01:31:24,219
Speaker 2: Was clear no israeli would ever hold that this is money.

1473
01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:24,340
Speaker 1: For.

1474
01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:28,219
Speaker 2: The dead never it just just just the Sheer Amount

1475
01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:28,660
Speaker 2: of german.

1476
01:31:28,740 --> 01:31:29,059
Speaker 3: Jewish.

1477
01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:33,820
Speaker 2: Money stolen, uh after all the the people own things who.

1478
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:34,179
Speaker 3: Were sent.

1479
01:31:34,220 --> 01:31:42,019
Speaker 2: Away, That alone yes but the but why destroy land

1480
01:31:42,059 --> 01:31:44,740
Speaker 2: animals and? Not water animals that's the question that's, Being,

1481
01:31:44,780 --> 01:32:03,939
Speaker 2: posed right okay fair enough may solve.

1482
01:32:03,979 --> 01:32:05,900
Speaker 3: Our, fish dilemma yes.

1483
01:32:07,420 --> 01:32:11,139
Speaker 2: There is No, hint at god Not uh of god

1484
01:32:11,180 --> 01:32:12,540
Speaker 2: being displeased at this.

1485
01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:12,900
Speaker 3: Point.

1486
01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:17,099
Speaker 2: With sacrifice uh in fact that we we had uh

1487
01:32:17,580 --> 01:32:21,299
Speaker 2: uh able sacrifice Being, favored by god and just previous.

1488
01:32:21,380 --> 01:32:25,660
Speaker 2: Couple of chapters it is clear later on that at least,

1489
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:30,900
Speaker 2: to most Commentators including traditional jewish ones, like My monodies

1490
01:32:30,939 --> 01:32:34,340
Speaker 2: that god wanted to wean, us from sacrifice that in,

1491
01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:38,219
Speaker 2: the final analysis even animal sacrifice is. Not the dream it,

1492
01:32:38,260 --> 01:32:43,099
Speaker 2: was a stopgap as, it were compromised because sacrifice is so.

1493
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:47,460
Speaker 2: Basic to people and again it obviously is every civilization

1494
01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:50,219
Speaker 2: we know have, had ANIMAL sacrifice and i am sorry

1495
01:32:50,260 --> 01:32:53,459
Speaker 2: to Say every civilization i've ever encountered of the ancient

1496
01:32:53,460 --> 01:32:54,179
Speaker 2: world and reading.

1497
01:32:54,580 --> 01:33:00,660
Speaker 3: Have, human sacrifice.

1498
01:32:58,260 --> 01:33:06,059
Speaker 2: Yes why Would why would god enjoy, a sacrifice if in,

1499
01:33:06,099 --> 01:33:08,540
Speaker 2: the final analysis he wants to do, Away with it

1500
01:33:09,380 --> 01:33:10,339
Speaker 2: because the only.

1501
01:33:10,140 --> 01:33:11,380
Speaker 3: Purpose of sacrifice.

1502
01:33:11,620 --> 01:33:15,820
Speaker 2: Is our intent if our intent is To, TRULY say

1503
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:18,220
Speaker 2: god i love, You so much i'm so grateful TO

1504
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:21,179
Speaker 2: you that i am willing to sacrifice something of great

1505
01:33:21,260 --> 01:33:24,620
Speaker 2: value to me that Means. Something to god god couldn't

1506
01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:28,580
Speaker 2: care less. About the smell god cares that you care

1507
01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:32,780
Speaker 2: enough to want. To THANK him so i would say

1508
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:37,660
Speaker 2: to Someone, today in judaism the argument is that at the, after,

1509
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:42,460
Speaker 2: sacrifices Ended instead as, hoseiah put it the murmurings of

1510
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:47,340
Speaker 2: our lips will substitute for the. Sacrifice OF calves so

1511
01:33:47,979 --> 01:33:50,220
Speaker 2: i would say to you that IF you spend x

1512
01:33:50,260 --> 01:33:53,860
Speaker 2: amount of time a day a, week in prayer that

1513
01:33:53,939 --> 01:33:57,860
Speaker 2: you have sacrificed what is precious to You. Time for

1514
01:33:58,019 --> 01:34:01,740
Speaker 2: god god doesn't, need your prayer is your. Words any

1515
01:34:01,740 --> 01:34:02,139
Speaker 2: more than he.

1516
01:34:02,180 --> 01:34:02,380
Speaker 3: Needs.

1517
01:34:02,420 --> 01:34:05,860
Speaker 2: YOUR bullocks correct i don't mean the department stores an old.

1518
01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:06,220
Speaker 3: Word for.

1519
01:34:07,180 --> 01:34:11,019
Speaker 2: Cows that right god doesn't need, Our words either so

1520
01:34:11,019 --> 01:34:13,780
Speaker 2: you could? Say why pray it was the, Intent that

1521
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:16,820
Speaker 2: mattered but there. Was no hint and it Doesn't say that.

1522
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:19,700
Speaker 2: God was pleased it Just says that GOD smelled. An,

1523
01:34:19,740 --> 01:34:23,260
Speaker 2: i smell that's, By the way cass's argument that, he

1524
01:34:23,340 --> 01:34:26,540
Speaker 2: wasn't pleased because It doesn't say. God was pleased all

1525
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:29,339
Speaker 2: It says is god smell. THE nice smell i wouldn't

1526
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:31,860
Speaker 2: go as, far as him but it certainly Doesn't say

1527
01:34:31,860 --> 01:34:34,540
Speaker 2: and god was pleased to have a good smell because he.

1528
01:34:34,580 --> 01:34:39,900
Speaker 2: Loves good smells if, It had that i'd have Trouble. With, the, bible, okay.

1529
01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:47,900
Speaker 2: Yes yes no but even the people who hold a

1530
01:34:47,939 --> 01:34:51,380
Speaker 2: documentary hypothesis do not argue that the believers believe. In

1531
01:34:51,460 --> 01:34:56,580
Speaker 2: two gods everyone holds that monotheism is Basic. To the

1532
01:34:57,059 --> 01:35:00,059
Speaker 2: torah but the people who believe that there were different

1533
01:35:00,059 --> 01:35:06,059
Speaker 2: documents hold that one strand used This name for god

1534
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,220
Speaker 2: and the other strand uses the Other, name for god

1535
01:35:09,260 --> 01:35:13,620
Speaker 2: and that those are little thumbnail ways of identifying where.

1536
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:15,700
Speaker 3: The strands, are of course they run into.

1537
01:35:15,540 --> 01:35:18,620
Speaker 2: Big problem on those occasions where it has both names in.

1538
01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:19,579
Speaker 3: THE same verse.

1539
01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:23,380
Speaker 2: I don't think, it's you know it's quite as smooth as.

1540
01:35:23,420 --> 01:35:25,059
Speaker 2: They make it BUT at least i wanted you to

1541
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:28,180
Speaker 2: understand where. It came from let me take these two

1542
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:31,100
Speaker 2: and we'll, say good night yes.

1543
01:35:34,300 --> 01:35:34,940
Speaker 3: To repeat.

1544
01:35:35,340 --> 01:35:39,540
Speaker 2: FOR the microphone i said that there were three attempts

1545
01:35:39,700 --> 01:35:44,339
Speaker 2: at making. A, good world conscience revelation, to the world

1546
01:35:44,620 --> 01:35:45,340
Speaker 2: Revelation to.

1547
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,340
Speaker 3: The jews, is the third but that does Not.

1548
01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:51,019
Speaker 2: Come till exodus or you can argue It, comes with

1549
01:35:51,099 --> 01:35:54,019
Speaker 2: abraham but there were no new moral Laws, given to

1550
01:35:54,059 --> 01:35:55,700
Speaker 2: abraham so you have to Argue It's.

1551
01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:58,500
Speaker 3: The, Ten commandments Okay so?

1552
01:35:58,580 --> 01:36:02,939
Speaker 2: What god did god tried, two universal methods, universal without

1553
01:36:03,019 --> 01:36:07,580
Speaker 2: revelation conscience, universal with revelation the laws to The, children

1554
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:13,179
Speaker 2: of noah and then. Non universal particularists even that didn't,

1555
01:36:13,260 --> 01:36:16,780
Speaker 2: work Universal revelation, So god says i'll, give one group

1556
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:21,580
Speaker 2: as it were a great many laws to lead a,

1557
01:36:21,620 --> 01:36:25,179
Speaker 2: particularly holy life to make my will known. In the

1558
01:36:25,220 --> 01:36:28,100
Speaker 2: world That's what the jewish role is. In the world

1559
01:36:28,540 --> 01:36:31,660
Speaker 2: j there was a group that Took exactly what jesus

1560
01:36:31,660 --> 01:36:36,300
Speaker 2: is Supposed to. Be jehovah's witnesses that Is exactly what

1561
01:36:36,420 --> 01:36:40,660
Speaker 2: jesus is supposed to be, and have been even though

1562
01:36:41,019 --> 01:36:45,660
Speaker 2: often unwittingly and in many cases in, the, Modern world

1563
01:36:45,900 --> 01:37:08,299
Speaker 2: unwillingly Yes. Spoke to oh i'm not comfortable With it

1564
01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:09,660
Speaker 2: because god.

1565
01:37:09,740 --> 01:37:11,179
Speaker 3: Didn't say it HE.

1566
01:37:11,099 --> 01:37:13,620
Speaker 2: Didn't say i was WRONG and now i won't.

1567
01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:15,660
Speaker 3: Do it again HE simply said i won't. Do it

1568
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:17,380
Speaker 3: again there's a.

1569
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:21,019
Speaker 2: Very big difference there is No intimation that god thought he.

1570
01:37:21,059 --> 01:37:23,820
Speaker 2: Made a mistake he, made a mistake he thought, in

1571
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:28,299
Speaker 2: creating people but he certainly didn't say he made a mistake.

1572
01:37:28,340 --> 01:37:31,660
Speaker 2: IN destroying, people i mean it may sound, harsh to

1573
01:37:31,740 --> 01:37:34,860
Speaker 2: us but there is. No implication whatsoever what he is,

1574
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:38,500
Speaker 2: SAYING is this i. Won't destroy you you, can destroy you,

1575
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:45,660
Speaker 2: that's the subtext, as IT were. But i won't the

1576
01:37:45,740 --> 01:37:48,860
Speaker 2: reason for, the three attempts, in my belief is because

1577
01:37:48,860 --> 01:37:50,820
Speaker 2: it's the towerst way of teaching us that the other.

1578
01:37:50,860 --> 01:37:51,139
Speaker 3: Ways.

1579
01:37:51,140 --> 01:37:55,900
Speaker 2: Don't work, see without this, people would say who the?

1580
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:57,380
Speaker 3: Hell needs revelation we.

1581
01:37:57,420 --> 01:38:00,620
Speaker 2: All have conscience everybody knows that stealing and murder is wrong,

1582
01:38:00,660 --> 01:38:01,820
Speaker 2: in their gut so who.

1583
01:38:01,820 --> 01:38:04,620
Speaker 3: Needs revealed law that's the reason.

1584
01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:07,540
Speaker 2: For the story you never ever lose sight that the

1585
01:38:07,540 --> 01:38:09,220
Speaker 2: whole purpose of this is to teach us, how to

1586
01:38:09,260 --> 01:38:14,540
Speaker 2: live not to. Tell, a story okay a. Couple of

1587
01:38:14,540 --> 01:38:19,260
Speaker 2: comments the next session is two. Weeks from tonight do,

1588
01:38:20,740 --> 01:38:22,500
Speaker 2: if you, do COME back and i trust you will.

1589
01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:28,379
Speaker 2: Bring two things one a torah.

1590
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:31,099
Speaker 3: To a friend because it's nice to share the stuff,

1591
01:38:31,180 --> 01:38:34,860
Speaker 3: with other people Study. Of the torah thank you all

1592
01:38:34,900 --> 01:38:37,340
Speaker 3: so much. For being, here thank you.

1593
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:41,020
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1594
01:38:41,059 --> 01:38:45,460
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