1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to today's Out of Zion show with 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: doctor Susan Michael. And I am very pleased to have 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: with me today a friend and colleague, a fellow Christian 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: leader working in the church world, in political world, and 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: in support of Israel, and so I'm really looking forward 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: to learning more about his work today. And this is 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Chad Conlum. Sir Chad, thank you for being with us. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: everyday world. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: World. 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: Susan, I'm honored and I'm sorry we've never been able 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: to do this because I've always looked up to you 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 3: and you've been in this space and fighting the fight, 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: and I'm just honored to be with a friend like 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: you who fights to fight for Israel. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Now you've founded something called faith Wind. Yeah, 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: but would you just share with us a little bit 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: of your bash around and what that is or how 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: well you know. 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: I grew up in a small South kind of town 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 3: and I always loved the Lord, knew the Lord. I've 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: never had anybody challenge my faith or my patriotism. And 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: went off to college and went in the army. Had 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 3: a Satanist in my platoon. That kind of shook my world, 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: but it made me, made me own my faith. Was 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: it my dad's or my faith got involved in political stuff? 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: I felt out of a biblical worldview. We're called and 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: so the school choice movement a pro life movement. Then 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: it was Israel. You know, how do you read the word? 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: The more I read the word, the more I realized, 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: it's this my obligation. Of course. I lost my first 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: wife to suicide and O six became a single dad 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: with two little boys that saw the worst thing their 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: mom in the pool of blood. But I got to 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: watch God work. I met a lady on a blind 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: date from a Christian friend who had been widowed by 44 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: suicide too, and her husband killed himself almost two years 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: of the day before. My wife, she had two little girls, 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: had two little boys. That's almost nineteen years ago, and 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: we're blessed and highly favored. I got back involved in 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: politics after Dana came along, and we're putting together. We 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: have four little kids under ten who all lost a 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: parent in suicide, so we're pretty intentional. And I was 51 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: speaking for a living. I'd written a book on Christian 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: history and God's role in the country. And then Renford 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: state Party chairman of South Carolina and twenty eleven got elected, 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: and of course, you know, South Carolina is the first 55 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: in the South presidential primary state. So I got a 56 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 3: front row seat and I hosted every presidential candidate, and 57 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: I did a bunch of TV. I did every political 58 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: show on television, and I was doing the same talk 59 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: South kind of matters, and they got to talk about 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: the social conservative and the film school conservative and military conservative. 61 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: And on those shows, I was being up my party 62 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: for leaving out the faith vote. As a Christian first, 63 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: I was just incredulous. You know the numbers, this is 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: the most reliable voting block in all of political history, 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: and you guys ignore them. And I said all that 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: on every show, and so a got named Right's previous 67 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: texted me that day, he said, and I was on MSNBC, 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 3: not promoting it, but I was on there with Al 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: Sharpton and Rights texting me. 70 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: You lived to tell about it? 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: I did. Oh, they were it was awful. It was awful. 72 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: They were cursing now, it was awful. His producer was terrible. 73 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: He was a nice guy. But Rights texting me, hey, 74 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: you did a good job defending your faith in a 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: tough environment. You're right. Let's talk. And out of that 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: we created a thing called GLP Faith. I got to 77 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: be the first ever national director. So from thirteen to seventeen, 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: I went to forty three states and spoke to pastors 79 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: about eighty thousand pastors, same message. It's not about a party, 80 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: it's not about a person. It's about policies and principles 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: at line up with the biblical worldview. And the thing 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: that kept coming up was Israel, over and over and 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: over and over and over. And I had only been 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: I went as a chairman in twenty thirteen. I went 85 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: back in twenty fifteen. I think with a guy named Huckleby. 86 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: I believe in that trimp. You might have heard of him, 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: and then I started Faith Wins because I had full 88 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: little kids at home. Whites wanted me to go in 89 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: the Trump White House, and I didn't need to be 90 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: in DC. My obligation was to a new wife and 91 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: full little kids who need to be able to call 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: mom and dad and have us around. And Leap of 93 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: Faith started Faith Wins and saw nine years ago. And 94 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: so I just felt like, I think I know exactly 95 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: what the party people do. In fact, I think I 96 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: can do it better. I don't think the parties have 97 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: a lot of authenticity when it comes to the evangelical vote. 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: I don't think they understand our issues. As I said 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: on many TV shows, most of them can't identify a 100 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 3: church by the people. And I said on one show 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: that most of them's the interaction with the Bible was 102 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: two Thursdays ago. When they're made dusted around it, that 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: doesn't endure you to them. But it's fact, it's truth. 104 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: And so I just I believe that if we get 105 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: pastors involved faith Leans, God gave me the tie. We 106 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: build networks of pastors. We do it the hard way. 107 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: We build relationships. We do small meetings that become large 108 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: meetings that create and with small meetings and go back 109 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: to large meetings and mints repeat. 110 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: So, Chad, you must be on the road all the time. 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: You're out there doing local meetings or pastors and how 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: many pastors are in your network? 113 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: So about we don't buy lists. If you're on my 114 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: team and you're in a network, you came to meeting 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: or you're on a zoom call and a pastor of 116 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: Buddy and Bajia. Right last time I checked, like nineteen 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: eight hundred and seventy eight in all fifty states. Of course, 118 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: we're focused in the battleground states, and I've been slowly 119 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: replacing myself with a leader in the battleground stakes. And 120 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: so but last year, in the election year, we did 121 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four pastor meetings in one hundred 122 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: and twenty four different cities and twenty different stakes, and 123 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 3: had twenty six different denominational hosts. And so God's opened 124 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: some crazy, awesome fun doors. And just one of the 125 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: things that came about was I've started to realize that 126 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: I hear about life, I hear about biblical marriage, I 127 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: hear about religious liberty issues, and I hear Israel over 128 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: and over and over again. Because we can disagree about 129 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: tax policy or some of that stuff. Right, Christians can't 130 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: disagree on what God said about Israel. I know it. 131 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: You know it now. Tucker Carlson doesn't know that. But 132 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: I don't think he's reading the same Bible we are. 133 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: He's reading the Katari version of make I don't know. 134 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: And so you and I look at that and go, 135 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: God doesn't change. He's the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. 136 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: He said, these are His shosen people, and whoever blesses 137 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: Israel be blessed, whoever curses Israel be cursed. Well, I 138 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: decided I'm gonna take that seriously. 139 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, you and I wouldn't disagree on that, because we 140 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: read the Bible to say what it says. And there 141 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: are pastors that will disagree with you, And so let's 142 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: talk about that. How often do you run into them 143 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: and what do you how do you approach them? And 144 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: can you share us an encouraging story and maybe I'll 145 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: change the heart of someone. 146 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. So every stake, I can tell you a 147 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: story in every state of somebody who just kind of 148 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: woke up. And it's not just about Israel. Is disagree 149 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: with a lot of times it's it's a reluctance to 150 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: engage because they think it's political. I remember the first 151 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: time a pastor told me that is I was in Durango, Colorado, 152 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: and this young pastor who turned out to be kind 153 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: of socialistic, was wrong on Israel, was wrong on life. 154 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: But he came out and said, you just we don't 155 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: do politics. And I said, Pastor, I don't what do 156 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: you mean by that? And I really didn't know what 157 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: to say. That was twenty fourteen. So I did that 158 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: little prayer, God, what do I say now? And here's 159 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: what he gave me. A pastor, do you teach the 160 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: whole counsel of God? Do you preach the Bible? And 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: I said, I don't think life is political. I think 162 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: it's spiritual. I don't think Israel's political. I think it's spiritual. 163 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: I don't think biblical marriage or religious liberty, I don't 164 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: think they're political issues. They've been politicized. That didn't remove 165 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: my responsibility as a Christian, as a father, as a 166 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: husband to tell the truth. And so that was one 167 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: of the first times I had that encounter. I was 168 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: in a key state of Wisconsin. I had a pastor say, 169 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: we just don't get in bought. And I say, you 170 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: ought to listen to my talk. I'll let you host 171 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: here because your guy's a mentor. But I just can't 172 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: do it and I'm too busy. And I was like, Lord, 173 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: let him stay in the audience, and he did. I 174 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: could tell you his name. I could tell you the 175 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: time he came to me afterwards, and he grabbed him 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: by the arm. He said, I get it. I want 177 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: to be ground zero for everything you doing in his 178 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: cons and he's become a key player in a really 179 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: important vital spot of the state. They took the school 180 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: board back with Christians. He's coming to Israel with us 181 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: on another a trip coming up, so he's gotten engaged. 182 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: And we hear those stories all the time. Now. Obviously, 183 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: if I work through relationships, we don't depress that and 184 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: we don't suppress it. But it's kind of governed by 185 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: the pastors that reach the pastor buddies. Most of them 186 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: have a little bit of a network they're scared of. 187 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: But we've been really intentional about other denominations. And I'll 188 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: tell pastors, look, you know, people I don't know, they 189 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: need to hear this. Why don't you invite them, I'll 190 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: buy breakfast or lunch and we'll have this conversation and 191 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: they can ask me all the questions. You don't have 192 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: to worry about it. And we do that in every 193 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: single state this past year. With Israel, we took twenty 194 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: pastors on their thirty five that very same reason, because 195 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: I was in Israel in April and President Herzog said, 196 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: we got a problem with young Christians. Can you bring 197 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: young Christians back? Well, yes, Sir, I can, and so 198 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 3: we ha him picked twenty pastors to take back who 199 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: we're young, to go right at them. 200 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: So what you're saying, though, is that the Israel issue. 201 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: It's not so much about Israel. It's more about politics, 202 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: I think it. So why is it that the pastors? 203 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: Why do they see politics as so bad? 204 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 205 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, And I tell them, I don't know how 206 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: you're reading Matthew five, How are you reading Jesus saying 207 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: the besalt light? And you're not even telling your people 208 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: to vote biblically. Can you just help me understand this? 209 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: And the truth is a lot of their denominations have 210 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 3: sold out to anything biblical or conservative, and they've avoided it. 211 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: You know, my dad just went to heaven in December. 212 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: He left the United Methodist Church this past three years 213 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: ago because they wouldn't make a statement about marriage that 214 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: was just things. It would make state, not Israel, it 215 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: would make state my life. And he said, by not 216 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: making a station, they've made a statement. I've used that 217 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: story with pastors in a bunch of states, in a 218 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: bunch of my meetings, and I think what's helped us 219 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: overcome the most is that line about it's not political, 220 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: it's biblical. Yes, it's been politicized, but please tell me 221 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: how that removes my responsibility to tell the truth. 222 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: But Chad, we live in a democracy. Okay, it's a republic, 223 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: but we have elected officials that represent us in the 224 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: government vote according to the way we want them to vote. 225 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: That's how this country runs and what our privileged have 226 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: been born in NIA state. 227 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: I am. 228 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: So we have a responsibility to vote and to be 229 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: informed on the political issues. Yeah, because otherwise, by not voting, 230 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: we're voting against a godly approach to an issue. So 231 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: I really don't understand why. Look, I guess it. Christians 232 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: don't like compromise, and sometimes in politics you have to compromise. 233 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: So in order to get your bill passed on this. 234 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: You have to give in on this. But it's better 235 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and the politicians understand that. But it is a little hard. 236 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: It is the church word. I get that. But we 237 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: have such a responsibility to vote and to be involved 238 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: in our government. 239 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: Really a stewardship. It's a stewardship of something we've been 240 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: granted in a constitution of public that we the people 241 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: part that I think God's placed us here. Was it 242 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: one of seventeen thousand chants being born in America? It's 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 3: a terrible place, according to the left, and there's a 244 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: loo lot of people trying to get in in this 245 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: terrible place. 246 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: You know. 247 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: I have these conversations every day, Susan, and I think 248 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: a lot of it is more practical than any of this. 249 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: I think it's say, have a tither who disagrees, they're 250 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: scared of losing numbers. They're so focused on the numbers 251 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: instead of serving God. And sometimes they're just so close 252 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: to it, it's right here in their faces. They don't 253 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: back up enough and see the big picture of what's 254 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: God calling you to do? You know, what are you? 255 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: What should you be doing? And so we just try 256 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: to get them to take steps. And so what I 257 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: do to disarm them is, look, what's political about a 258 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: non partisan voter registration and handing out a voter guide 259 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 3: that tells them how they ligne up with biblical values. 260 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: And they don't have a good answer for that. And 261 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: so if you disarm them, and I tell them, I 262 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: don't need you to get involved, I don't need you 263 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: do anything. Just tell this person who's your church liaison. 264 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 3: You know, somebody in your church pastor who's throwing stuff 265 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: at the television. They're so upset because they're boys in girls' sports, 266 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: or they're boys going to girls' bathrooms, or Israel's being 267 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: attacked by the hamas terrace and the media is covering 268 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: it up or whatever the government overreach or intrusion is. 269 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: And find me that church liaison and a name pops 270 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: in their head. I'll teach them to do voter registration. 271 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: And we even recruit pole watchers in different states. We've 272 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: done that quite a bit. So disarming them, I think 273 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 3: is a big part of it. 274 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Well, God bless you and what you're doing, because we 275 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: need more Chrispy's voting. My goodness, it's just such a 276 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: shame to lose an election and to get an ungodly 277 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: person in there voting against the Church on everything, all 278 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: because Christians didn't go vote. 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 280 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 281 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: podcast with Susan Michael. 282 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: You know COVID's helpless in a bad, twisted way. Yeah. 283 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: A lot of pastors who were like this, I don't 284 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: want to deal with it, found out they were dealing 285 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: with it. Like it or not, you were dealing with it. 286 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: I was in California in twenty twenty. I traveled a lot. 287 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: I literally took three flights that year, did eighty nine 288 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: pastor meetings during COVID shutdown, and I went to twenty six. 289 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: I did three flights. I was the only one Delta 290 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: American flu. I can't make this up. And you know 291 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: I eat real slow. The peanuts is digest and there 292 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: would be a steward or stewardess over looking at me. 293 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: So I go to California. I do a pastor of 294 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: meeting in Burbank, California, and this this helped. Young pastor 295 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: thirty one years old, has two hundred people in his congregation. 296 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: The and bird banks right there at Hollyweard right. It 297 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: was just right there, and he has to do twelve 298 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: services so he doesn't offend the bureaucrats of how many 299 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: people he's got inside every time he met twelve times 300 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: on a Saturday and Sunday to serve as people, there's 301 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: somebody with a tape measure, or you're six feet apart. 302 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what happened when I went out there. 303 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: I walked out of his church, I don't know thirty 304 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: forty feet look down the street and there's fifty tenths 305 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: homeless tents. There's no distancing, no mask, and no bureaucraft 306 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: with the tape measure, and I started realizing this might 307 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: not be about freedom or safety, this might be about control. 308 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: I think that was a good look for pastors to go. 309 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: If I'm out of this, if I'm not talking, if 310 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: I'm not speaking up, I have given this in to 311 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: people who don't have my worldview, who don't and it's 312 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: really they hate us, maybe they hate him. They ultimately 313 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: those people hate God and they want to do anything 314 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: anti God they possibly can. And that young pastor taught 315 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: me a lot because he's doing a similar for me 316 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: on this thing. We're talking about about why you better 317 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: get involved. He said, you know, I thought i'd we 318 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: meet in the parking lot, but I need those fifty 319 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: one parking places. He's in the inner city. It's homeless 320 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: people and street people and prostitutes and drug addicts that 321 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: are that's his church. He needs the park. He's in 322 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: a city. He tries to petition the mayor to go 323 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: to the park. But the mayor knew and his wisdom, 324 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: Oh the Christian songs. Because of the Wuhan virus, you 325 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: cannot be in the park. But they let the marijuana people, 326 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: and they let the Satanists meet, and they let the 327 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: Bingo group meet in the park, but the church couldn't 328 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: meet in the park. That guy woke up and I 329 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: had him tell that story a lot of places, and 330 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: I told that story, and that happened all over the 331 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: country where pastors saw the intrusion of government because they 332 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: were not in there. They didn't have an ally on 333 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: the city council, they didn't have an ally on the 334 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: county council, and they couldn't find an ally on the legislature. 335 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: So I challenged pastors. I spoke of a Baptist convensional 336 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: or meeting on forty five pastors on a Friday night. 337 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: How do you get involved in politics? I asked that, well, 338 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: we pray for those in authority. Who are you praying for? 339 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: And they can name our senators, Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham. 340 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: They can some of them could name the congressman I 341 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: would happen to be in Jim Cliber's district. Only Democrats 342 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: South Carolina and could not a one can name a 343 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: state senator or a state house member. And I said, 344 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: what's their names? Do you have their cell phone members? 345 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: So what are you praying for? You don't even know? 346 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: And I really challenged them. So when I do meetings, 347 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: I do that talk with them too, to say thanks 348 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: for praying for them. You just praying for somebody of 349 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: this out in the nebulous ether world. You don't even 350 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: know who they are. How do you have influence? I 351 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: want to have influence. 352 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Well, tell us how you had influence over the group 353 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: of young pastors that you talk in November. How did 354 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: that show? 355 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: And so I handpicked them and I knew all their 356 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: senior pastors. I wasn't close to all of them, and 357 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: I asked them, I want a young pastor under thirty five. 358 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: So we took twenty young pastors under thirty five from 359 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: random states Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, 360 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: Random and New Hampshire, Iowa, early states like that, and 361 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: we picked pastors who were involved in youth groups, who 362 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: were Tupper Candice had really influenced. I had three of 363 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: them apologized to me, Wow, I was wrang. We walked 364 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: them through the Holy Land. We were with the Ministry 365 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: of Tourism in Israel. They showed that we went to Nova, 366 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: We went to Kibbutzbury on one trip. We went to 367 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: a Kafarizah on the other trip. We walked through those houses. 368 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: They wept, we pray. We met survivors at Nova. We 369 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: watched the film that's watchable, and they were just like 370 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 3: I have been lied to. And so one of them 371 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: I just texted with just now has a thousand kids 372 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: in his youth group, his seven pastor, seven churches in 373 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: a very key state, another one in another key State's 374 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: got about twelve hundred that come every Sunday to his 375 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: youth movement. So we're going to do another one of 376 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 3: those trips late this year, and President Herzou challenged me, 377 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 3: and I said, I'll get them. I will absolutely get them. 378 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: I'm interacting with them all the time. I think seeing 379 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 3: the Holy Land and making the words come to life, 380 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: not just to head knowledge, but a heart knowledge, to 381 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: walk where Jesus walked, to see the same mountains, to 382 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: be on the same sea of Galilee, now the city 383 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 3: of David, our friend Zev, you know, and walk in 384 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: the pilgrimage road we got barefooted. I'm gonna walk where 385 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: Jesus walk. He was here, and so I think that's it. 386 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: I think really experiencing the Holy Lamb and confronting it. 387 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: The first time I went with Joe Rosenberg. We took 388 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: twenty pastors and we took only a handful of young guys. 389 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: This young guy was just kind of hostile, just I'm 390 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: not rude, but almost And we gave him a free trip, right. 391 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: I had a donor that paid for it, and I 392 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: could just tell you. I told my wife Dane, I said, 393 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: let it work, pray about it, let this work on him. 394 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: The last day, we're walking out of the old city. 395 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: There's an alley way beside a little convenience store where 396 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 3: stopped get candy bars and drinks and we're gonna head 397 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: backed up mamea where we're staying. He pulls me in 398 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 3: the alley and he's wife and she's crying, and I'm like, 399 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: what did I offend you? 400 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: Man? 401 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: He said, I am you an apology? I said, why 402 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: do you own me an apology? Pastor? He said, I 403 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: misjudge you. He said, worse than that, I misjudge God's land. 404 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I think just letting them see it and 405 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: let them see your heartening. Everybody he meets you knows 406 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: you got a heart for the people. You got a 407 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: heart for the Word of God, and everything about you 408 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: it speaks it whether you're talking or not. That's important. 409 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so important to get there and to 410 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: see it for themselves because they hear so many things now. 411 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: And I've gotten to where if somebody wants to start 412 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: arguing about something, I just say, go see it for yourself. 413 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: That's what I tell them. 414 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, just go see it for yourself, and then you're 415 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: going to see all this is wrong. But you're not 416 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: going to believe me if I tell you, Nope, You've 417 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: got to go at whatever cost. So I just want 418 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: to invite our audience today, you know, to give in 419 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: The ICJ has an education fund for the next generation, 420 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: and we have a fund for pastors to help us 421 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: to take more pastors and young people to Israel so 422 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: that they can see it. You know, you stand there, 423 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: your Bible comes alive, but you're surrounded by prophecy fulfilled, 424 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: and you realize, not only is God at work fulfilling 425 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: all those things that were spoken some four thousand years ago, 426 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: but to the exact I mean, just they're so accurate. 427 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: The prophecies are so accurate. And you get that when 428 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: you sit on the hillside and you see that this 429 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: is going to come from the east or the west 430 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, and you realize why the mountains are there. 431 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: It's just so accurate. And then you realize, I can 432 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: base my life on this book. I can stand in 433 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: safe for every promise. 434 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: In this book for me. 435 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: Because I'm seen here seeing how it's being fulfilled around me. 436 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: So God bless you, Chad and more taking more. 437 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. 438 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've been around a log time. 439 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 3: That's a good thing. 440 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: But I did get started young. Let's settle that. But 441 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: now God bless you and your work. May you just 442 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: reach many, many many more pastors and take many many 443 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: more to Israel and change their lives. And let's go 444 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: after that next generation of your pastors. 445 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: I promise you will. 446 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: All right, God bless you, ted Hey, just give me 447 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: one more minute. I want to offer you one of 448 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: our free resources. We have wonderful resources in our show 449 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: notes and if you go to our website at ic 450 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: ejusa dot org slash show notes, you'll find links for 451 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: a number of our free offers. 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