Speaker 1: Life Audio on today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.
Speaker 2: Maybe many of you know Larry Elder. Larry Elder, what
Speaker 2: if they call it called full disclosure, full disclosure. I
Speaker 2: am a friend, good friend of Larry Elder, and we
Speaker 2: have been for many years. We were radio colleagues on
Speaker 2: the same station in LA for many years. Then I
Speaker 2: moved over to the Salem Radio Network.
Speaker 3: That night when I called my mom Dennis and told
Speaker 3: her I met somebody from LA who's in talk radio.
Speaker 3: And she said who, I said, His name is Dennis something.
Speaker 3: Dennis starts with a P. I can't really can't remember.
Speaker 3: It'sid Prager. I said, yes, Oh my god, you met him?
Speaker 4: And what did he say?
Speaker 2: What do you look like?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: She acted like? He was Elvis? I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, I'll go to the Dennis Prayer Show. The
Speaker 2: music might be actually familiar to a fair number of
Speaker 2: you in the southern California area, because one of the
Speaker 2: most successful talk show hosts in America now a podcaster,
Speaker 2: and one of the most successful podcasters in America is
Speaker 2: Larry Elder. And I know it's very touching for me
Speaker 2: to have Larry on my show because I brought him
Speaker 2: to radio and he became a national sensation, and not
Speaker 2: only in broadcasting and podcasting, but also in writing. If
Speaker 2: you read his column each week, you will get an education.
Speaker 2: And I say this obviously people know, with total sincerity.
Speaker 2: And he and I used to work on a same
Speaker 2: station many many years ago in Los Angeles. Maybe many
Speaker 2: of you know Larry Elder. Larry Elder. What if they
Speaker 2: call that called full disclosure, full disclosure. I am a friend,
Speaker 2: good friend of Larry Elder, and we have been for
Speaker 2: many years. We were radio colleagues on the same station
Speaker 2: in LA for many years. Then I moved over to
Speaker 2: say the Salem Radio Network, and things have been wonderful
Speaker 2: and a blessing since Larry's show was one of the
Speaker 2: most popular in Southern California, a very difficult place to
Speaker 2: have a popular show because people live in their cars
Speaker 2: in southern California, and it's it's really the center of
Speaker 2: talk radio and just a household name Larry and I.
Speaker 2: When we go back to what year, I.
Speaker 3: Would say we probably go back, Dennis to around nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety round nineteen ninety nineteen. I first met you when
Speaker 3: you were in Cleveland. I picked you up from the airport.
Speaker 3: You might no, but we met before that, right, but
Speaker 3: even before that on approach, Well.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I was shitting in.
Speaker 4: Who's being interrupted now? Just asking? I'm just asking, you know, well,
Speaker 4: it's just a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're offended. I wasn't. That's a different. I
Speaker 2: am not easily offended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a thins akain that guy who's easily offended.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying? You mean I'm being racially
Speaker 3: profiled on the Dennis Brager Show. I am shocked and
Speaker 3: I am appalled.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing. The man plays the race card
Speaker 2: like that. It doesn't even you could be.
Speaker 3: Don't leave home, Dennis, don't leave home without it. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I never leave home without it. I get my license,
Speaker 3: I get my race card, social Security card, and I'm
Speaker 3: out the door.
Speaker 2: Well, now you know why I pushed I never pushed
Speaker 2: like I pushed to have Larry Elder on radio. He
Speaker 2: was a lawyer who did a periodic guest appearance on
Speaker 2: a Cleveland TV show. And I'm telling you, I'm always
Speaker 2: I'm always a little afraid to invoke. Oh God did something,
Speaker 2: but it almost seems divine. Only God knows why. I
Speaker 2: was asked from LA to sit in for the early
Speaker 2: morning Cleveland television show for a week. There was no
Speaker 2: point to it, but I mean it was fine as
Speaker 2: a lovely show. I'm not insulting anyone. It didn't amount
Speaker 2: to anything, but it was an experience. And one of
Speaker 2: the guests, I mean we had, didn't I also have
Speaker 2: somebody who spoke to their dogs.
Speaker 4: Or yeah you did? I mean that wasn't wasn't Turtle don't.
Speaker 2: Did you come on with you? I don't. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Did you come on? You know you don't do dogs?
Speaker 2: I got that. Anyway, It was a very eclectic show,
Speaker 2: shall we put it? That's right? And it wasn't My
Speaker 2: co host cute? She was very attractive. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: remember that. That was the only thing. I remember two things,
Speaker 2: three things the dogs, The co host was cute, and
Speaker 2: Larry elder. That's all right. That was it, and Larry
Speaker 2: came on to discuss some legal issues.
Speaker 4: It was sexual harassment in the work. Was that what
Speaker 4: it was place? And I didn't do a demonstration.
Speaker 3: I actually described what it was and the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: case to come down, and I was on to talk
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: So those things you said to me were not did
Speaker 2: not constitute harassment.
Speaker 3: They okay, So I have this, although I do you
Speaker 3: quite appealing inns. For good reason, I've never really told.
Speaker 3: Since we're full disclosure.
Speaker 2: I may not survive this hour sale. And if you
Speaker 2: folks start hearing a repeat some highlight show, it's because
Speaker 2: they had enough.
Speaker 3: Of Flower and Dennis I years. I think I think
Speaker 3: you're hot. I'm just going to say, by the way,
Speaker 3: I don't mind that I am touched. Okay, say it
Speaker 3: all right? Are we done?
Speaker 2: Yes? We are? Okay. So I had Larry on as this,
Speaker 2: this lawyer who would periodically come out. Now, folks, let
Speaker 2: me tell you seriously, I there's an interesting little observation here.
Speaker 2: I learned many many years ago that overwhelmingly I should
Speaker 2: not make quick first impressions. I'm not kidding, because I've
Speaker 2: often found that they were either too negative or too positive.
Speaker 2: On rare occasions, I have totally gone with the first impression.
Speaker 2: I thought this guy was terrific. I went back to
Speaker 2: Los Angeles and I told the station manager at that time,
Speaker 2: George Green, and I always I always cite him because
Speaker 2: he's he was a wonderful man in my life and
Speaker 2: in your life. I said, George, I found this great.
Speaker 3: Part genius, part maniac. But it's a great guy.
Speaker 2: No part. No, he was part genius and part Dodger fanatic.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the maniac part, but Dodger fanatic I
Speaker 2: remember and listening.
Speaker 4: But no, it's all right, it's not. That's okay, it
Speaker 4: does I understand.
Speaker 2: And now he was a call guy, maniac, it's just
Speaker 2: a maniac. Didn't didn't apply there, But anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: So I said, George, I found this guy who happens
Speaker 2: to be black, who was awesome and comes from comes
Speaker 2: from LA. Let's try him out anyway, it says if
Speaker 2: I had said to George, to his credit, because he
Speaker 2: gets us all the time. So nothing happened. So I
Speaker 2: I just decided I will get did I get a
Speaker 2: tape from your or I just invite you on the show.
Speaker 3: I sent you a tape, and but you also invited me.
Speaker 2: Right, So I invited him on the show, and I said, George,
Speaker 2: you have to listen. I'm having this guy I told
Speaker 2: you about from Cleveland. He's back visiting his parents. And
Speaker 2: your mother, of course, became your late great mother, became
Speaker 2: very famous because you'd have her honus as a chairman
Speaker 2: of the board and Supreme Court justice and everything. And
Speaker 2: so I had you on. It was one of the
Speaker 2: great hours of radio that I did, and I will
Speaker 2: I'll never forget because among the things you talked about
Speaker 2: was your lack of a great adulation for black leadership
Speaker 2: in America.
Speaker 3: Specifically for people like Jesse Jackson. And that's correct.
Speaker 2: And I believe it was a black caller who called
Speaker 2: up and who liked me but couldn't stand you immediately, right,
Speaker 2: because I could say what I wanted, but that's dismissed.
Speaker 2: I'm white, but for you a black place, say what
Speaker 2: you did. Please. So the guy said to me, Dennis,
Speaker 2: where the hell did you find this guy? And you
Speaker 2: immediately answered.
Speaker 3: I said, Dennis was driving down the street. He saw
Speaker 3: me at the corner of Florence and Dinker, holding up
Speaker 3: a sign and saying we'll speak negatively about black leaders
Speaker 3: for food.
Speaker 2: At that point I laughed so hard and uncontrollably that
Speaker 2: we had to go to a break, a break, and
Speaker 2: that had never I've never lost control. That was the
Speaker 2: one time ever before or since that that has happened.
Speaker 2: And I knew I was going to bug George forever
Speaker 2: until you got a show. You got a show, and
Speaker 2: the rest is history. You went nationally, You've had a
Speaker 2: number of great TV shows and so on, and you
Speaker 2: are you are an important voice. His columns, by the way,
Speaker 2: are if there were ten columns a week I read,
Speaker 2: Larry Elder is one of them. Of course I read
Speaker 2: about one hundred, but if I can only read ten,
Speaker 2: yours would be one of them. And that's a big compliment.
Speaker 2: You know, you're up there with Dennis the Menace, and you.
Speaker 4: Mean representative Kucinich.
Speaker 2: I think, actually at it was a lot of fun anyway.
Speaker 3: But Dennis, again, thank you so much for that very
Speaker 3: kind introduction. You of course have underplayed your role and
Speaker 3: what happened. You were quite insistent that that George listened
Speaker 3: to me and for you had me on for two years.
Speaker 3: You had me on Christmas one year and then Christmas
Speaker 3: the next year. And when I met you in Cleveland,
Speaker 3: I told you that I've never really listened to talk radio.
Speaker 3: I knew nothing about it. But you can tell when
Speaker 3: the hosts like each other when they don't. And Dennis
Speaker 3: was giving you the cliff notes version of how he
Speaker 3: got me into radio. If I may elaborate a little bit, Dennis,
Speaker 3: we met in Cleveland. I was living and working in Cleveland,
Speaker 3: even though I'm from here. And it was a live
Speaker 3: show called Here in La. Here in La called Morning Exchange,
Speaker 3: kind of like a Today Shows, probably the longest running
Speaker 3: local show in the country, and Dennis sat in for
Speaker 3: the host. I was there as a contributor. I'm a
Speaker 3: lawyer and I would talk about legal matters, and so Dennis,
Speaker 3: I walk in. I see this big guy from California
Speaker 3: with white hair, and people tell me that the normal
Speaker 3: guy's not going to be there. You got a guy
Speaker 3: named Dennis Prager. He's from LA really, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know Dennis. I mean, I knew Dennis was a talk
Speaker 3: show host. And the reason I knew that is because
Speaker 3: my mom loved, loved love talk radio, and she loved
Speaker 3: Dennis Dennis is her favorite host by far.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that night when I called my mom Dennis and
Speaker 3: told her I met somebody from from LA who's in
Speaker 3: talk radio. And she said who. I said, His name
Speaker 3: is Dennis something. Dennis starts with a P. I can't
Speaker 3: really can't remember, said Prager. I said, yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: you met him?
Speaker 4: And what did he say?
Speaker 2: What do you look like?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: She acted like? He was Elvis. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: And so Dennis invited me on LA radio when I
Speaker 3: next came home and I said, I'll be home in December.
Speaker 4: Dennis said, fine.
Speaker 3: So I called you and I got a message and
Speaker 3: you didn't return the call. And I thought, frankly, Dennis,
Speaker 3: it was something that you said to be nice to me.
Speaker 2: Let's have lunch one Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: You didn't really kind of mean it right.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sitting having dinner with my mom and
Speaker 3: she said, did you call Dennis?
Speaker 4: And I said, well, yeah. She said, what happened?
Speaker 3: I said, left message and he didn't call back. She
Speaker 3: gets the phone, she puts it in front of me.
Speaker 3: She says, call him again.
Speaker 2: God bless her.
Speaker 4: So I called again. I got you.
Speaker 3: You had me on that night, George Green, the general
Speaker 3: manager of the station, happened to be listening and Dennis,
Speaker 3: after the show was over, talked about how wonderfully thought
Speaker 3: the show was. And I said, Dennis, two years ago,
Speaker 3: I sat in in Cleveland for a guy and I
Speaker 3: fell in love with talk radio, and I sent a
Speaker 3: tape to KRLA and to KFI and to KBC. I
Speaker 3: didn't hear from anybody. And Dennis, since you said I
Speaker 3: did so, well, would you mind maybe talking to somebody
Speaker 3: around here about He said, I will be delighted. I've
Speaker 3: never recommended anybody in my life, but I'll recommend you.
Speaker 3: But for Dennis leaning on George, George would not have
Speaker 3: given me a two day audition. George gave me a
Speaker 3: two day audition. After one day, he hired me. And
Speaker 3: I've been on KBC for twenty years.
Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Dennis Prager Show, and I am
Speaker 2: with one of the more popular thinkers and deservedly so
Speaker 2: thinkers writers television radio. He pretty much does it all,
Speaker 2: Larry Elder. Larry and I go back many years. You
Speaker 2: heard the story just before. It's another reason, by the way,
Speaker 2: to get Pragertopia, just for just for this hour alone.
Speaker 2: It's worth subscribing to the show at under seven dollars
Speaker 2: a month. And I mean it sincerely. You go to
Speaker 2: Pragertopia at the Dennis Prager dot com or Prager Radio
Speaker 2: dot com. Larry was on Larry King last night. I
Speaker 2: just learned because some callers are calling in to make
Speaker 2: a reference to that fact. And and I just looked
Speaker 2: at Larry right before we went on and I said,
Speaker 2: you were Larry King last night? He said yes. And
Speaker 2: Wolf Blitzer tonight this afternoon, and it's will it all
Speaker 2: be about the Crowley Gates? Yes, with the beer? Are
Speaker 2: you primarily And I say this, If the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: I'm annoyed. But it's it's typical of the media. Are
Speaker 2: you primarily called in when the issues concerned race interesting?
Speaker 3: You should ask that And the answer is yes. And
Speaker 3: it is annoying and it is condescending. As you know,
Speaker 3: I've written about health care, I've written about written about
Speaker 3: the Welfaret Dapnis.
Speaker 2: And they call themselves this is the interesting thing.
Speaker 3: They called a compassionate liberal Open Mind, right, and Dennis
Speaker 3: The other day, I'm watching all three morning shows. I'm
Speaker 3: flipping around. I don't normally do that, but I just
Speaker 3: wanted to see how they were going to respond to
Speaker 3: this Gates thing.
Speaker 4: Uh, they had.
Speaker 3: Six quote experts, all of them were black. Now, the
Speaker 3: person who was called a racial profiler was white. Wouldn't
Speaker 3: you think maybe they might want a quote white person's
Speaker 3: perspective on this, somebody from say the the police union
Speaker 3: or some former cop or somebody to give his or
Speaker 3: her opinion about what it feels like to be falsely
Speaker 3: accused of racially profiling. But only blacks are experts in
Speaker 3: this issue. And all six of their experts, Good Morning America's.
Speaker 2: Even same views.
Speaker 3: All six of the they had pretty much the same view,
Speaker 3: but they were all black.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's right, that's right. That's called diversity.
Speaker 3: Now, I can't talk about Obamacare, even though I've considered
Speaker 3: myself an expert.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, This is the thing about liberals. Women have
Speaker 2: only something to say about women's issues. Blacks have something
Speaker 2: to say about black issues. You almost never have them
Speaker 2: have blacks on who have something to say about humanity.
Speaker 2: It's vile. By the way, I just want people to
Speaker 2: know because I'm called conservative, and the liberals have created
Speaker 2: an entire bundle of characteristics of conservatives. I from the
Speaker 2: beginning of radio, never had women on to discuss women's issues,
Speaker 2: just to give an and I would say that to them.
Speaker 2: It was, for example, when I had women pastors on.
Speaker 2: My very first radio show was on religion, I had
Speaker 2: clergy of all faiths. If a woman pastor or a
Speaker 2: woman rabbi was on, I never discussed women's issues. I
Speaker 2: wanted to give them the respect of you have something
Speaker 2: more to say than is related to having a uterus.
Speaker 2: So but in the liberal.
Speaker 3: Credibly it's incredibly, incredibly condescen of course it is. It
Speaker 3: is limiting, and I consider myself to be a pundit.
Speaker 2: Yes you are.
Speaker 4: Can talk about number exactly.
Speaker 3: You don't have a show for the number of years
Speaker 3: that I did talking about quote black things.
Speaker 2: Well, right, your your book about the things that a
Speaker 2: person can't say about America want to be memorized by
Speaker 2: every American. That's how good.
Speaker 4: What is the actual the ten things you can't say
Speaker 4: in America?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I thought it was ten. But I
Speaker 2: don't want to get it wrong. Okay, because it might
Speaker 2: have been nine or eleven and I look silly.
Speaker 3: Inflation is now twelve, that's right, and it's up.
Speaker 2: To twelve twelve things you can't say now about America.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I just I just want to bounce
Speaker 2: one thing off you. I'm going to tell you a
Speaker 2: story and then tell your story. Ironically, I'm white, so
Speaker 2: I'm dismissed when I say that I don't think there's
Speaker 2: much racism in America, that I think it's the best
Speaker 2: country on earth for a black to live. And I
Speaker 2: get Keith Richburn. He's my source for that, the great
Speaker 2: Washington Post writer wrote a book about how happy he
Speaker 2: is to live in America after being stationed in Africa
Speaker 2: for the Washington Post. And of course, obviously he's a
Speaker 2: black man. And then I will get this has happened
Speaker 2: my whole career. I have happily a lot of black listeners.
Speaker 2: One will call up and say or a number will say, well, Dennis,
Speaker 2: you know, with all respect, you don't know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about. You're not black, you don't walk in our shoes.
Speaker 2: And I want you to know every day I experience
Speaker 2: a racist incidents. Do you know what My answer is,
Speaker 2: I have an answers. My answer is, okay, what happened today?
Speaker 2: And every single time the answer then is all right,
Speaker 2: well not today. So then I no, no, no, no. Then
Speaker 2: I pursue it and I say, okay, what happened yesterday?
Speaker 2: Well it didn't happen yet, you know. But you know
Speaker 2: it's a matter of speech. So I said, well when
Speaker 2: was the last time? And there's there's silence. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it never happens, but it is so far from
Speaker 2: every day that the line should just be dropped. So anyway,
Speaker 2: so let me ask you how often does it happen?
Speaker 3: The answer is, how can anybody know that he or
Speaker 3: she has been quote victimized close quote because he's or
Speaker 3: her race when there are so many other variables that
Speaker 3: go into any kind of encounter. I was in Beverly
Speaker 3: Hills a few years ago. I had on a pair
Speaker 3: of jeans, a leather coat, two or three days of
Speaker 3: beard growth, and my car was parked in a parking garage.
Speaker 3: It had an elevator, kind of a dirty looking little elevator.
Speaker 3: Wasn't even sure it worked, And I pushed the button
Speaker 3: and the door opened and there was a black woman
Speaker 3: in it, and she clutched her purse. She went to
Speaker 3: the side of the elevator.
Speaker 4: I got in.
Speaker 3: I looked at her, and I smiled, and I said,
Speaker 3: don't worry, I've never violated the terms of my probation.
Speaker 4: And she starts cracking up. Now that's awesome, as I profiled. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was profiled because the way I was dressed.
Speaker 3: Unusual to be in Beverly Hills dress kind of the
Speaker 3: way I was dressing, she was a black woman. If
Speaker 3: she had been a white woman and I had been
Speaker 3: the type of black victocrat that I speak about, that's
Speaker 3: probably an incident that I would have used to prosplained
Speaker 3: the racial thing that happened to me that day. In
Speaker 3: my first book, the one that you mentioned Ten Things
Speaker 3: you Can't Say in America, I talk about a movie
Speaker 3: called Virtuosity that Denzel Washington was in.
Speaker 4: You never saw it, nobody ever saw.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a good movie.
Speaker 4: In the movie, he's.
Speaker 3: Supposed to kiss his white co star, whose name I
Speaker 3: believe is Kelly Lynch. He refused to kiss her, even
Speaker 3: though it was in the script, and he said Denzel
Speaker 3: did that he did not want to offend the core audience,
Speaker 3: which was young white males for this movie. Kelly Lynch said,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just so sad that he didn't want
Speaker 3: to do that. I'm sorry. I kind of thought our
Speaker 3: world had gone beyond that end of quote words to
Speaker 3: that effect, And I said, wait a second, who would
Speaker 3: be in a better position to know if white males
Speaker 3: would be offended if a black guy kissed a white woman,
Speaker 3: Denzel or Kelly. I'm sure Kelly probably knows a lot
Speaker 3: more white people intimately than does Denzel. Yet instead of
Speaker 3: saying to Denzel, you're full of it. My brother wouldn't care,
Speaker 3: my father wouldn't care, my uncle wouldn't care, my friends
Speaker 3: wouldn't care, or whatever, she just threw up her hands
Speaker 3: and said, yeah, I guess racism is a much bigger
Speaker 3: problem than I thought. It's just fascinating to me how
Speaker 3: if a black person makes the accusation without any kind
Speaker 3: of corroborating evidence, it's accepted.
Speaker 2: It's a line I developed many, many, many many years ago.
Speaker 2: If you can't call a black fool a fool, you're
Speaker 2: the racist. That's my motto. It has been my motto
Speaker 2: my whole life, and that's what you're saying that's what
Speaker 2: you should have said. What when you even said it?
Speaker 2: I was trying to revealing lights be offended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the core, the core audience, white males.
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Speaker 2: Larry Elder doesn't need an introduction to any of you.
Speaker 2: He's a national talk show host. That's the theme that
Speaker 2: he comes up with. I personally composed it. Larry's very grateful.
Speaker 2: Larry also has a film Oil, which is a documentary
Speaker 2: which is really powerful, Uncle Tom, and it features black
Speaker 2: voices basically that you don't read in the New York
Speaker 2: Times ever. New York Times says, when I think about
Speaker 2: the brains that have not appeared in the New York
Speaker 2: Times once, like Tom sole I mean Tom Soil's were
Speaker 2: the most brilliant people of my lifetime, never appeared in
Speaker 2: the New York Times. Walter Williams, brilliant economist, never appeared
Speaker 2: in the New York Times. The best of my knowledge,
Speaker 2: Larry Elder ever appeared in the New York Times. I
Speaker 2: mean all of the all of the black writers at
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, they would appear there. Larry, I
Speaker 2: got a question, and this sometimes, as you know, when
Speaker 2: you ask questions, you have worked out an answer for yourself,
Speaker 2: but you're curious about what the guests will say, I
Speaker 2: have not worked out an answer for myself on this question,
Speaker 2: which is something because I've thought about this for decades.
Speaker 2: Why is Charles blow New York Times well paid in
Speaker 2: a position that anyone of any color would die for
Speaker 2: New York Times columnist MSNBC regular contributor, Or he's just angry?
Speaker 2: Where is the successful middle class, upper middle class black
Speaker 2: anger coming from?
Speaker 3: Years ago, there was a cover story in Newsweek called
Speaker 3: the Rage of the Black middle Class by a guy
Speaker 3: named Ellis Cos He's the same issue, and the thrust
Speaker 3: of it appeared to be that here I am acting
Speaker 3: as if I'm not black. It appeared to be that
Speaker 3: because I don't feel that way at all, I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I never have understood this kind of anger from the
Speaker 3: time I was a kid, and never understood it. Dennis,
Speaker 3: I'm in a class in middle school with a bunch
Speaker 3: of black kids. Maybe the school was ninety five percent Black,
Speaker 3: five percent Asian, one or two white kids.
Speaker 2: And this anger.
Speaker 3: And we had the same classes, same teachers, same instructions,
Speaker 3: same neighborhood, same recreational facilities. But a lot of my
Speaker 3: peers were just pissed. And I think it's because they
Speaker 3: felt that they should be pissed because of historical injustices,
Speaker 3: things that have happened to their fathers, their parents. You know,
Speaker 3: we're just one generation from Jim Crow. My dad grew
Speaker 3: up in Athens, Georgia, and he told me a lot
Speaker 3: of stories. They didn't happen to me, they happened to him.
Speaker 3: But a lot of kids felt that they needed to
Speaker 3: have some sort of it was morally appropriate, socially just
Speaker 3: for them to be angry for people in the past
Speaker 3: who couldn't stand up and be angry themselves. I guess
Speaker 3: all I know, Dennis, is I've never felt that way.
Speaker 3: My father always taught my brothers and me to work hard,
Speaker 3: and whenever we complained, he would say, are you kidding?
Speaker 3: When I was your age, so and so, and he
Speaker 3: would tell us something and you'd be appalled at the
Speaker 3: conditions that he suffered, and it would make you realize
Speaker 3: that you should stop whining and pick up the cards
Speaker 3: and play them. So it's attitudin though, and Dennis, that's
Speaker 3: my riddle. And the whole thing happy Black a Republican right,
Speaker 3: and so the whole thing is is more attitudinal than
Speaker 3: it is even political. To not perceive yourself as a
Speaker 3: victim to not perceive yourself as aggrieved?
Speaker 4: Can I look to not.
Speaker 3: Look for the worst possible explanation for a phenomenon? Cop
Speaker 3: pulls me over? He pulled me over because I was black.
Speaker 3: My goodness, dudes. I was on a ride along with
Speaker 3: a buddy of mine who's white of Italian extraction, Derek,
Speaker 3: and is at night and we're following this car and
Speaker 3: the car pulls over to a gas station. Two black
Speaker 3: guys come out. They see Derek and they start saying,
Speaker 3: you racially profiled. Now they look at me and they
Speaker 3: ignored me, even though I'm black. It didn't fit the script,
Speaker 3: so they just pretended I wasn't standing there. But it
Speaker 3: was just and did it with passion. And if they
Speaker 3: were actors, they're good. And they got out of the
Speaker 3: car and they were just convinced that Derek had pulled
Speaker 3: him over because they were black, even though Derek didn't even.
Speaker 2: Know what race they were. Was at night. I always
Speaker 2: asked that question. I can if you're behind the driver,
Speaker 2: which is what most police are, I didn't even know
Speaker 2: during the day, you know what color they are.
Speaker 3: And then, as you and I have talked about this before,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of people who don't agree with me,
Speaker 3: who are detractors and so forth. Why aren't you pulling
Speaker 3: for me to be right? Wouldn't it be better if
Speaker 3: Larry were right? Wouldn't it be better if Larry's vision
Speaker 3: of the world were right.
Speaker 2: I'll be back with Larry Elder.
Speaker 4: I blame Alan est.
Speaker 2: It's like blaming Canada though it's wrong. That doesn't work,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work. No, blame Allan, Blame Allen. That's
Speaker 2: why he's the living martyr. We do blame him. That's
Speaker 2: exactly absolutely.
Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.
Speaker 2: I have a dear friend on the line who is
Speaker 2: one of America's leading thinkers, Larry Elder, and we are
Speaker 2: on many of the same stations around the country, and
Speaker 2: he he has written a book on Fathers and Sons,
Speaker 2: which is a very powerful personal memoir now went paperback
Speaker 2: a lot like me, A father and Son's Journey to reconciliation. Larry,
Speaker 2: good to have you on the show.
Speaker 6: Dennis, as always, thank you very much for taking the time.
Speaker 6: I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I know you're a good man, Larry. I want to
Speaker 2: ask you about something that is a sort of a
Speaker 2: project of mine. You know, like first Ladies, they all
Speaker 2: seem to take a project, whether it's fitness or child literacy.
Speaker 2: I have a pet project, and that is getting adult
Speaker 2: children who don't speak to their parents to start speaking again.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 6: I think that's a wonderful project. There's a book by
Speaker 6: a religious writer named Jane Roberson called My Father's Face.
Speaker 6: He talks about how this prison chaplain decided to improve
Speaker 6: morale at a federal penitentiary where he worked, went to
Speaker 6: a greeting card company and asked them for five hundred
Speaker 6: Mother's Stay cards. And the greeting card company thought it
Speaker 6: would be a good pr campaign, so they gave this
Speaker 6: guy five hundred free Mother's Day cards and he distributed
Speaker 6: them to the men at the prison, and morale did,
Speaker 6: in fact improve. So he thought he'd replicate the same
Speaker 6: thing during Father's Day. I think you know where I'm
Speaker 6: going with the story, Dennis. He went to the same company,
Speaker 6: got five hundred cards, distributed them to the men. Not
Speaker 6: one inmate, not one wanted to send a Father's Day
Speaker 6: card to his father. It turns out none of them
Speaker 6: had a relationship with their father, or if they did,
Speaker 6: it was awful. And it turns out most men behind
Speaker 6: bars have either no relationship with their father or a
Speaker 6: bad relationship with their father. It is by far the
Speaker 6: number one social problem in this country, the large number
Speaker 6: of kids, especially boys, who were brought into the world
Speaker 6: without a father. The number right now all total in
Speaker 6: this country is forty percent. When I was in college
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy, five years earlier, Daniel Patrick Mornihan later
Speaker 6: on became a Democratic Senator from New York, wrote a
Speaker 6: report called the Negro Family, a Case for National Action.
Speaker 6: At the time, twenty five percent of black kids were
Speaker 6: born outside of wedlock. The number now with twenty five
Speaker 6: percent of white kids born outside of wedlock. The number
Speaker 6: for black kids is about seventy percent. It's about fifty
Speaker 6: percent for Hispanics. And Obama said a kid raised about
Speaker 6: a father is five times more likely to be poor,
Speaker 6: nine times we're likely to drop out of school, twenty
Speaker 6: times were likely to end up in prison. And the
Speaker 6: book I wrote is about my relationship with my father.
Speaker 6: My father and my mother were married fifty some years
Speaker 6: when my father died, so it wasn't like I had
Speaker 6: an abandoned father or anything. I had the kind of
Speaker 6: father that most boys have, which is the father in
Speaker 6: the home. And it turns out after I wrote this book, Denis,
Speaker 6: I was blown away by how many boys men had
Speaker 6: the same kind of father I had. Hard toss in
Speaker 6: my case, World War two vet not emotional. I never
Speaker 6: said I loved you, and I thought my father really
Speaker 6: did not like us we were kids because my father's
Speaker 6: job was to punish us. When he got home from work,
Speaker 6: he pulled out the belt and he would just whale
Speaker 6: on us. And I thought my father spanked me too harshly,
Speaker 6: too frequently, and for reasons that were too inconsequential. And
Speaker 6: so every day I grew up with this seeding anger
Speaker 6: towards my father. My true brothers felt the same way,
Speaker 6: so I didn't think it was me. I thought it
Speaker 6: was my dad. The only thing that made my dad
Speaker 6: feel Dennis that he wasn't a criminal is because my
Speaker 6: mother loved him, and I could tell she did. And
Speaker 6: I knew that there was something redeeming about my dad
Speaker 6: if my mom loved him, but I couldn't figure out
Speaker 6: what it was. Now I'm fifteen years old, and unfortunately
Speaker 6: now I have to work with my father because my
Speaker 6: father saved up his nickels and dimes and started a
Speaker 6: little cafe in the Peco Union area where we were born.
Speaker 6: So now I'm twelve years old or so, and I'm
Speaker 6: working with the sold and Dennis. He would yell at
Speaker 6: me when things would go wrong, and they always did
Speaker 6: little cafe, and so everybody could hear your father yelling
Speaker 6: at you. When he's yelling at you, and it's embarrassing.
Speaker 6: Now I'm fifteen years old, I love to say to
Speaker 6: your audience. I had the courage to say to myself,
Speaker 6: the next time my dad yells at me, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: sit him down. I'm gonna say, see here, you and
Speaker 6: me mano amano. I was scared to death with my father,
Speaker 6: so I was afraid to do that. I just told
Speaker 6: myself Dennis said, he yells at me one more time,
Speaker 6: I'm walking out, and I did. Fifteen years old. You
Speaker 6: don't defy my father, let alone walk out when the
Speaker 6: place is full of customers, which is what I did.
Speaker 6: My dad got home that day, he said, why did
Speaker 6: you walk out? And I said, Dad, I got sick
Speaker 6: and tired of the way you spoke to me, and
Speaker 6: that was an act of defiance I'd never done before.
Speaker 6: My dad looked at me, paid me. He reached into
Speaker 6: his pocket, pulled out the ten dollars bill that he
Speaker 6: paid me a day, ten dollars plus tips. He bawled
Speaker 6: it up and threw it at me as I lay
Speaker 6: on my bed. He walked out of my bedroom. At
Speaker 6: the age of I was fifteen again, and I did
Speaker 6: not speak to my dad for ten years. And when
Speaker 6: I say don't speak to him, Dennis, I mean nothing.
Speaker 6: It was easy to avoid him because by the time
Speaker 6: I graduated from school to seventeen years old, I then
Speaker 6: went away to college in the East Coast, law school
Speaker 6: in the Midwest. I would come home, of course, to
Speaker 6: visit my mom, but I would always avoid my dad.
Speaker 6: And it was easy to do it because my dad
Speaker 6: had long hours and I knew what his hours were,
Speaker 6: so I just never said a word to him until
Speaker 6: I was twenty five years old. Now fast forward, I'm
Speaker 6: twenty five years old. I graduated from law school. I
Speaker 6: passed the cleaven the Ohio Bar, I passed the California Bar.
Speaker 6: I'm making a great deal of money. I'm twenty five
Speaker 6: years old, living large. I should be living large and
Speaker 6: happy and vennis. I can't sleep, and I know it
Speaker 6: has something to do with my dad. Not that I
Speaker 6: ever thought we'd become friends. But I woke up that
Speaker 6: morning and I called my secretary and I said, cancel
Speaker 6: on my appointments. I'm flying to California. I'll be back
Speaker 6: in two days. I was living in Ohio in those days,
Speaker 6: so I came back to LA I didn't want my
Speaker 6: dad to prepare for this meeting. I walked into the
Speaker 6: restaurant at one point thirty. My dad was, of course
Speaker 6: shocked to see me. I had two big bags. He said,
Speaker 6: why are you here? I said, I want to talk
Speaker 6: to you. He said, I put your bags from the back.
Speaker 6: I said, no, Dad, I'm only going to be here
Speaker 6: for five or ten minutes. I want to talk to
Speaker 6: you that I'm taking off. He said, okay, wait till
Speaker 6: we close. So I sat there for an hour and
Speaker 6: I said to myself, now, Larry, don't take off on him.
Speaker 6: Just tell him the highlights. He'll probably call you an
Speaker 6: ungrateful son. You can call him an ungrateful father and
Speaker 6: an solb for a father, and at least maybe you'll
Speaker 6: clear the air enough and you'll be able to sleep.
Speaker 2: Hold on, we want to get the rest. It's riveting
Speaker 2: beyond words. I want to I'm talking about Father's Son Reconciliation.
Speaker 2: The book, of course, is Larry Elders sort of an
Speaker 2: autobiography a lot like me, a father and son's journey
Speaker 2: to reconciliation.
Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.
Speaker 2: So the story, if you just tuned in, the story,
Speaker 2: is that Larry stopped speaking to his father because of
Speaker 2: his father's treatment of him. Tough treatment, not abusive, tough treatment.
Speaker 2: And from fifteen to twenty five, is that correct?
Speaker 6: That's correct?
Speaker 2: And then you learned, You learned, then you walked back.
Speaker 2: You flew backward. I had met you in Ohio, so
Speaker 2: I know this. You were living in Cleveland, and you
Speaker 2: flew back because you were still bothered by not talking
Speaker 2: to your father. You're a successful lawyer at this point,
Speaker 2: and your father shocked, obviously to see you in his
Speaker 2: little restaurant in Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So my dad sat down and Dennis I teed off
Speaker 6: on him. I spoke NonStop for almost twenty five thirty minutes,
Speaker 6: every spanking, every slight, everything he ever said or did
Speaker 6: to me that I thought was unfair or unwarned, I
Speaker 6: told him. And finally, Dennis, I was out of AMMO
Speaker 6: and I stopped, and my dad looked up and said,
Speaker 6: is that it? And I said yeah. He said, you
Speaker 6: didn't speak to me for ten years because of that,
Speaker 6: and I said yes. And for the first time I
Speaker 6: saw my father cry. He said, let me tell you
Speaker 6: about my father, Larry. Now I knew my dad was
Speaker 6: an only child, Dennis. I knew nothing really about him.
Speaker 2: And didn't care.
Speaker 6: I didn't like him. I met his mother one time,
Speaker 6: and I knew that he was an only child. Outside
Speaker 6: of that, I knew nothing about my father's background and
Speaker 6: didn't give a damn. And my father proceeded to tell
Speaker 6: me that Elder, my last name, is not the name
Speaker 6: of his biological father. I said, what, I said, who
Speaker 6: is your biological father? He said, I have no IDEA
Speaker 6: Elder turns out was a cruel guy, alcoholic. He used
Speaker 6: to beat him and his mother. Whenever he would work.
Speaker 6: He would bring the mother money home give it to
Speaker 6: my grandmother for her to keep because he would gamble
Speaker 6: it away. Come Wednesday, he'd want the money. She wouldn't
Speaker 6: give it to him. He'd beat the crap out of her.
Speaker 6: My dad would stop him. He'd beat the crap out
Speaker 6: of my dad. And I said, how long does this
Speaker 6: go on? He said five years? I said, then what
Speaker 6: he said? Well, then I came home. I was thirteen
Speaker 6: years old. Elder was long gone. You see my grandmother,
Speaker 6: he said, could neither read nor write. Had a series
Speaker 6: of boyfriends, each one more irresponsible than the one before
Speaker 6: I came home, started quarreling with my mom's then boyfriend.
Speaker 6: At the age of thirteen. She sided with the boyfriend
Speaker 6: threw me out of the house, never to return. I said,
Speaker 6: you're thirteen years old Athens, Georgia, Jim Crow South at
Speaker 6: the beginning of the Great Depression. If she throws you
Speaker 6: out of the house, he said, yes, never to return.
Speaker 6: Series of huff jobs. Ultimately he became a pullman porter
Speaker 6: for the trains and was able to travel all around
Speaker 6: the country. And for a black BOYE and the Jim
Speaker 6: Crow South to leave the South and see the West
Speaker 6: Coast was amazing, and my dad liked the weather. People
Speaker 6: seemed less racist, and my dad made a mental note
Speaker 6: that maybe sometime I will travel to Los Angeles Pearl Harbor. Happened.
Speaker 6: My dad joins the Marines. I said, why the marine's dad?
Speaker 6: He said, two reasons. They go where the action is,
Speaker 6: and I love those uniforms. My dad became a staff sergeant,
Speaker 6: a cook and on Guam as they were waiting the
Speaker 6: invasion of Japan, the bombs fell. No invasion. My dad
Speaker 6: comes back home to Chattanooga, where he had met and
Speaker 6: married my mom, and he wanted to get him a
Speaker 6: job as a short eared cook because my dad, as
Speaker 6: I said, was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking
Speaker 6: in World War two, and he can look at a cake, Dennis,
Speaker 6: or a pie and tell you what's in it. That's
Speaker 6: how good he is. So my dad goes all around
Speaker 6: Chattanooga to get a job as a cook. Ef he
Speaker 6: gets out of the war and he's told we don't
Speaker 6: hire any Inwards, he goes home to my mom and said,
Speaker 6: this is bs. I'm going to unemployment office. Goes to
Speaker 6: the unemployment office. Lady says you went through the wrong door,
Speaker 6: sends him out to the door that says colored only
Speaker 6: ghost to that door to the very same lady who
Speaker 6: sent him out. He came home and said, told him
Speaker 6: whether this is BS, I'm going to Los Angeles. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna get me a job at the short ordered cook
Speaker 6: comes out here, walks around for two days and is
Speaker 6: told I'm sorry, you have no references. My dad even
Speaker 6: offered to work for free to get a reference. They
Speaker 6: wouldn't do that. He was treated the same way in
Speaker 6: la as he was in Chattanooga. They were just a
Speaker 6: little more polite about it. My dad went to an
Speaker 6: unemployment office, this time just one door. He took the
Speaker 6: first thing he could get, which was a job cleaning
Speaker 6: toilets and the Bisco brand bread full time job. Did
Speaker 6: that for ten years. Took a second full time job
Speaker 6: cleaning toilets at another bread company called Barbara and Bread,
Speaker 6: cooked for a weekend on the cook for a family
Speaker 6: on the weekends, and went to night school two or
Speaker 6: three nights a week to get his ged. The man
Speaker 6: Dennis never slept, That's why he was grouchy all the time.
Speaker 6: You go for having two three hours of sleep, if
Speaker 6: that day after day, month after month, year after year,
Speaker 6: then you come home into a house with three rambunctious
Speaker 6: boys throwing things, yelling, and screaming, and see how you feel.
Speaker 6: So as my dad was telling me this, Dennis, we
Speaker 6: talked over eight hours. My father got bigger and bigger
Speaker 6: and bigger, and I got smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 6: And finally, after eight hours, I'm crying and I said
Speaker 6: to my father, Dad, I am so sorry I judge
Speaker 6: you this way. And my father said, don't be Just
Speaker 6: follow the instructions I've always given you and your brothers.
Speaker 6: Hard work wins you get out of life which you
Speaker 6: put into it. Lara, you cannot control the outcome, but
Speaker 6: you are one hundred percent in control of the effort.
Speaker 6: And before you whine and moan about what somebody did
Speaker 6: to you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it
Speaker 6: and say what could I have done to change the outcome?
Speaker 6: And finally, no matter how good you are, how hard
Speaker 6: you work, bad things will happen. How you and your
Speaker 6: brothers deal with those bad things will tell your mother
Speaker 6: and me if we raised men. And I wrote the
Speaker 6: book about this conversation, and phone I was writing it,
Speaker 6: my dad would come in every now and then when
Speaker 6: I would ask him things, and he would say, why
Speaker 6: are you writing about my little life? And I said, Dad,
Speaker 6: your life is epic and it's going to inspire people.
Speaker 6: And the way we've gotten back together is going to
Speaker 6: inspire people. And that's exactly what's happened, Dennis. I've gotten
Speaker 6: hundreds of letters all over the country from people saying,
Speaker 6: until I read your book, I did not pick up
Speaker 6: the phone and talk to my dad for ten years.
Speaker 6: I did, and now we're talking. Or I started talking
Speaker 6: to my father. Or I encourage my husband to pick
Speaker 6: up the phone and call his father, or I encourage
Speaker 6: my brother to pick up the phone and call his father.
Speaker 6: It's really had exactly the kind of effect that I
Speaker 6: wanted to do. And it shows you not having a
Speaker 6: father is not a death sentence because my father didn't
Speaker 6: have a father and grew under circumstances that I think
Speaker 6: are harsher than most anybody can imagine. And it turned
Speaker 6: out to be a great guy, hard working, believes in
Speaker 6: this country and believes in the future of this country.
Speaker 6: And that's what I hope that the book will impart
Speaker 6: to people when they read it.
Speaker 2: I'm just riveted, as Alan said, he said, I must
Speaker 2: have heard this ten times. I could think I could
Speaker 2: repeat it, and I'm still riveted.
Speaker 6: Well, he was an amazing man. And by the way,
Speaker 6: Dennis a lifelong Republican, and my mother was a lifelong Democrat,
Speaker 6: as you know. And when they would sit at the table,
Speaker 6: they'd have these discussions. And the older I got, the
Speaker 6: more sense my father made. My father used to say
Speaker 6: this about democrats. Democrats want to give you something for nothing,
Speaker 6: and when you try and get something for nothing, you
Speaker 6: almost always end up getting nothing for something. And the
Speaker 6: number one problem my mother and father both had, however,
Speaker 6: was the welfare state. Even though my mom was a Democrat,
Speaker 6: she knew that it created perverse incentives. And in my view,
Speaker 6: the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government
Speaker 6: and allowed men to abandon their financial and more responsibility.
Speaker 6: It has been a new tron bomb dropped on this.
Speaker 2: Country, God has it. Ever, the story is inspiring. And
Speaker 2: as I began by saying, so that everyone can hear,
Speaker 2: it's a sort of crusade of mind to get adult
Speaker 2: children to talk to their parents. I discovered through radio.
Speaker 2: I now ask often at speeches, raise your hand. If
Speaker 2: you know anybody then that way people are in self conscious,
Speaker 2: it's not about them. If you know any family in
Speaker 2: which an adult child just doesn't speak to a parent,
Speaker 2: and between a third and a half of all hands
Speaker 2: goes up. It doesn't matter if the audience is conservative, liberal, Jewish, Christian, atheist.
Speaker 2: It's an epidemic in the country. And try to have
Speaker 2: empathy for your parents. That's a lot of what Marie's
Speaker 2: story is about.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.
Speaker 2: Today's subject is a dual one because they are so related.
Speaker 2: And I begin with the question of trusting people. The
Speaker 2: world is divided, you know, there are all these divisions.
Speaker 2: The world is divided between those who love dogs and
Speaker 2: those who love cats. We have all of these types
Speaker 2: of divisions, right, and that's fine, and I get a
Speaker 2: kick out of that. One division is those who trust
Speaker 2: people and those who don't trust people. And I am
Speaker 2: in the group that trust people in my life. And
Speaker 2: I think any of you who have heard me over
Speaker 2: any period of time know that I don't think people
Speaker 2: are basically good. So you would think if you don't
Speaker 2: think people are basically good, why would you trust anybody. Well,
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, I am prepared unless given reason
Speaker 2: not to, I am prepared to trust people.
Speaker 5: I'm currently dealing with trust, and I believe it also
Speaker 5: goes in hand hand with lies. I think everybody lies,
Speaker 5: including myself. But the thing is to face those things.
Speaker 5: One of my friends has been continually.
Speaker 2: Lying to me, and by the way, that's by the way.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about lying is especially when adults do this.
Speaker 2: Kids have their own reasons, but when an adult lies
Speaker 2: to another adult, it is because the lying adult doesn't
Speaker 2: trust the other one. The reason that people lie to
Speaker 2: a friend is very simple. If you knew the truth,
Speaker 2: you would you wouldn't love me, or wouldn't like me,
Speaker 2: or wouldn't be with me, or wouldn't stay with me.
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