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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this vitally important question,

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Speaker 1: how can we protect our kids from being sexually exploited?

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Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you how important this topic is,

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Speaker 1: especially if you listen to the last episode where doctor

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Speaker 1: Rondie Smith enlightened us on the magnitude of the problem

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Speaker 1: we are facing. We think of sex trafficking as being

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Speaker 1: out there, somewhere in the jungles of Central America or

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Speaker 1: in Thailand and Cambodia, and to be sure, it is there.

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Speaker 1: But what we must understand as parents and as Christians

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Speaker 1: is that human trafficking is in every zip code in

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Speaker 1: the United States as well. What do we need to

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Speaker 1: know as parents to help prevent that? Well, today Rondie

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Speaker 1: is going to share with us the shocking way many

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Speaker 1: young girls are being lured by sexual predators. As we speak.

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Speaker 1: This blew my mind. She will read for us a

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Speaker 1: letter from a young woman who was sexually exploited for

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Speaker 1: all of her teenage years and her parents had no

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Speaker 1: idea even though it was happening under their roof. We

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Speaker 1: got to know the threats and the signs moms and

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Speaker 1: dads in order to prevent the spread of this evil.

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Speaker 1: That is a tall order we have in store for

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Speaker 1: this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World, So let's get started.

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Speaker 1: We are continuing a special best of series today, one

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Speaker 1: that represents, without question, one of the most important conversations

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Speaker 1: we have ever had here on Christian Parent Crazy World.

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Speaker 1: My guest, doctor Rondi Smith, is the founder in CEO

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Speaker 1: of rest Stop Ministries, which is the first long term

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Speaker 1: residential restoration program in the state of Tennessee for female

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Speaker 1: survivors of sex trafficking. Through this ministry, Rondy and her

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Speaker 1: team have walked hand in hand with women who have

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Speaker 1: been deeply exploited and profoundly wounded, guiding them through a

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Speaker 1: comprehensive three year restoration process that is two years in

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Speaker 1: residence followed by a full year of supported transition back

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Speaker 1: into independent living. You guys, this is not quick work.

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Speaker 1: This is deep, sacred life rebuilding work. And in our

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Speaker 1: last episode we focused on awareness, grappling with the magnitude

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Speaker 1: of the crisis and beginning to understand how you and

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Speaker 1: I can be part of the solution. So if you

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Speaker 1: miss that conversation, please please go back and listen. I

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Speaker 1: encourage you to do that. But today we're going to

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Speaker 1: shift from awareness to prevention because as parents, the question

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Speaker 1: becomes deeply personal. That is, how do we protect our

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Speaker 1: own children? What do we need to know to make

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Speaker 1: sure they are protected? And I'll be honest, this conversation

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Speaker 1: is an incredible threat of hope because we also get

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Speaker 1: to see what God can do even in the most

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Speaker 1: broken of stories. But before we jump in, I want

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Speaker 1: to give you a quick heads up about something at

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Speaker 1: the end of the episode. Often after I officially wrap

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Speaker 1: up an interview, the conversation continues and sometimes those moments

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Speaker 1: are just as powerful as what we had planned to record,

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Speaker 1: and this was one of those times. After we closed,

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Speaker 1: Ronde shared some critical insights about how COVID era policies

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Speaker 1: contributed to a significant rise in cyber sex trafficking, especially

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Speaker 1: within educational environments. She also revealed some truly eye opening

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Speaker 1: realities about what happens to run away children, information I

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Speaker 1: made the decision to include that extended conversation because it

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Speaker 1: contains insights that really, truly every parent needs to hear.

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Speaker 1: So be sure you stick around with us all the

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Welcome back, Randie. It's such an

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Speaker 2: This is important, important in firm, and so I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're here. I appreciate you sticking around

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Speaker 1: to give us so much more of your wisdom and

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Speaker 1: advice for parents in this conversation on what is a

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Speaker 1: very difficult topic. We prefer not to think about this

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Speaker 1: we have a commission from God. We have a commission

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Speaker 1: for that, and what we're going to talk about today

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Speaker 1: is being a part of that solution through prevention. Prevention,

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Speaker 1: you have a prevention curriculum that's going to help us

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Speaker 1: So today, like I said, we're talking about the things

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Speaker 1: That's a myth, right that is not actually the case.

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Speaker 1: your website as well. Victims are familiar with their traffickers.

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Speaker 1: A trafficker could be a family friend, a significant other,

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Speaker 1: our children may be familiar with.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and they may not know exactly who this person

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Speaker 2: many are wondering why I never ran to my parents

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Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. I am happy and loved. Yet I

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Speaker 2: in there. But if you notice that your child seems

435
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Speaker 2: to almost get in a panic state if they were

436
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Speaker 2: to be denied access to their phone or to their

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00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: their computer, or it's almost a panic because this is

438
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Speaker 2: what was happening with the And she would tell you

439
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: that what was happening to her was certainly creating a

440
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: rift between she and her parents, but she didn't feel

441
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: safe telling them, and they couldn't quite understand what was

442
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: going on. But this perpetrator, they had a standing appointment,

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Speaker 2: like on Sunday nights, whatever time it was, maybe when

444
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: her parents were usually away something, but they just on

445
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: Sunday night, this is when you will meet me online whatever.

446
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: And she said there were times when she was trying

447
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: so hard not to make that appointment, but there would

448
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: be almost panic of if her parents were going to

449
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: change their routine or inquire of her something where she

450
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: would not be able, you know, to make that appointment.

451
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: And so just we need to trust our intuition when

452
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: something feels exceptionally off and to try to think what

453
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: could my child be experiencing, because like the a lot

454
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: of them are not just going to come out and

455
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: tell us when something like this has happened in some

456
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: way that then they just found themselves entrapped because they

457
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: will often take the blame. It was my fault, you know,

458
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have let this. How could it be so stupid?

459
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Speaker 2: Those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: Because Christian parenting may be crazy, but you don't have

478
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Speaker 1: to do it alone. She's just a child and she

479
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: oh gosh, it's just because I can I can sense

480
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: the panic, because well, if you miss your standing appointment,

481
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: then that picture's getting sent and Daddy's gonna see and

482
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: just it's heart wrenching to think. But that's how good.

483
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: And it's like you said, I think that was the advice.

484
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: We got to think like a predator. You gotta think

485
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Speaker 1: like And I don't want to have to think like

486
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: a predator, but I have to because they're out there

487
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: right And it can happen in the nicest neighborhoods and

488
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: the best schools. It can happen in the church youth group,

489
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: It can happen to kids who know the Lord and

490
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Speaker 1: raised in Christian families.

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Speaker 2: Because we don't know what we don't know, you know,

492
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: we're unaware, and this is a thing. I think even

493
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: when we're talking to our kids about it these days,

494
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: they don't want us just to come down on it

495
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: and say, I know that there are a lot of

496
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: conversations probably being had right now about what types of

497
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Speaker 2: pictures kids are posting, particularly girls. And yes, we have

498
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: to think how culpable we are as a society. We've

499
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: over sexualized everything, and there's you know, a pressure, a

500
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: peer pressure to put things out there. But I think

501
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: even in having these conversations instead of shaming them and

502
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: just you know, all the don'ts, but to help them

503
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: understand how one picture could then be taken by someone

504
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: else and exploited in ways that they never wanted or intended.

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Speaker 2: Because what's happening now, I don't know if you've followed

506
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: some of the like Nikosi, the National Center on Sexual

507
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: Exploitation Childhood sexual Exploitation in particular, has been trying to

508
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: take down these sites like porn Hub, but where literally

509
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: it is just simply uploaded. It's real images and videos.

510
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: It's child sexual abuse material that children sometimes are unaware

511
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: is being taken of them, recorded pictures, and then it's

512
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: uploaded to these sites and it's real and it's out there,

513
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: and it lives forever, and it has all these repercussions.

514
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: So I think just backing up to help our children

515
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: see that in this day and age, what a simple

516
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: one picture or one video or something then can do

517
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: and all the links that it goes to, because we

518
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: know they don't want that. They don't want that, So

519
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: if they could begin with the end in mind, and

520
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: it's like you said, I don't want to terrify them,

521
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Speaker 2: but I need them to know how our current technological

522
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: world is just escalating things, exacerbating things beyond what we're

523
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Speaker 2: thinking about. You know, at the time we're sharing pictures even.

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Speaker 1: So, are you talking about there that a normal photo

525
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Speaker 1: can be used in a pornographic setting? Is that what

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Speaker 1: you're referring to.

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Speaker 2: I just want to clarify, Yeah, it can be normal

528
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Speaker 2: photos that we might consider are normal if they are

529
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: somehow enticing to someone else. Here's the interesting thing is

530
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: the sexual appetite that is out there among predators runs

531
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Speaker 2: the gamut, and these sites are built with even menus

532
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: of what are you exactly looking for? I mean you

533
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: talked about when you read some of the statistics, We've

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00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: talked about children as young as five or six. This

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Speaker 2: is going to make your listeners just cringe. But there

536
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: are porn sites out there that even have categories of infants, infants, babies.

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: And so when you think about even sometimes the very

538
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: innocent pictures that we share of children in some form

539
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: of undress, and those can be utilized without our knowledge.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we don't we did not for

541
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Speaker 2: sure get even though these predator was caught, hers had

542
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: escalated to video. It started with images, and then as

543
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: she grew and developed, he was forcing to capture things

544
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Speaker 2: on video. What what we're still attempting to prove is

545
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Speaker 2: whether or not then those were commercialized because he could

546
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Speaker 2: you know, just started out house, but then he could

547
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Speaker 2: sell those images, upload those images. It's a it's a

548
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Speaker 2: it's a wicked web.

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Speaker 1: It is okay. So we need to end this with

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Speaker 1: some sort of a good story. You told us these

551
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: doing well. Now, can you give us some more encouragement

552
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Speaker 1: because I know Restop Ministries is intent and restoring women

553
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: who have been victimized in many different ways through sexual predators.

554
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Speaker 1: So give us, give us something of lifting that we

555
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: as parents can take away about what our God is

556
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: able to do even though the evil is so great

557
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 2: Our God is greater, Our God is greater, and what

559
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: is beautiful. I'll give you some encouraging things about V's

560
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: story and one other story beautiful thing is that the

561
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: was actually she was a junior in college in a

562
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Speaker 2: Christian college and university when she actually started dating a

563
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: young man, a wonderful Christian young man who began to

564
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Speaker 2: fall in love with her. And she began to realize,

565
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Speaker 2: if if I want to open myself up to what

566
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: I've always dreamed would be a beautiful Christian marriage and lifetime,

567
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to come clean with him. I'm

568
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: going to need to tell him. He was the first

569
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Speaker 2: person that she confided in. She broke her silence to

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Speaker 2: this young man and I cry. I think about, you know,

571
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: I raised two wonderful young men, and I think about,

572
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: how are young men can be such agents of true

573
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: love and respect, you know, for young women. And he

574
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: is the one who helped her to come forward to

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Speaker 2: a faculty member there in that Christian college who knew me,

576
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: and then they were able to reach out. And it's

577
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: like God's holy network, you know. God's holy network is

578
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: there to rescue and deliver and set free and then

579
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: restore and then the hope and the healing. And so

580
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: that began a beautiful relationship for her. And then there

581
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: was also the reconciliation with her parents because, as she mentioned,

582
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, things had become tense. You can imagine during

583
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Speaker 2: her eight years of teenage, not only did she and

584
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: her parents have to go through the typical things that

585
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: we go through, but they had that thing that was

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00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: underneath it all that was creating such attension. Once she

587
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: was in my presence and I asked her, what is

588
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: it that you really want? And she said, I want

589
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: to be free of this, and I want my parents

590
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: and I to have a restored relationship because this thing

591
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: has come between us and they don't even know what

592
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: it is. And so to be able to witness then

593
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: that reconciliation and to know that things are you know,

594
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: it's like sometimes we have to go through Well you

595
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: said it earlier, it's a death before it's a resurrection.

596
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: And there were things that had she not had this intervention,

597
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: she maybe could never have gotten that relationship with her

598
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: parents restore. So those are some beautiful, wonderful things. As

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: scary as the world is out there, there is hope

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00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: for healing. There is always always hope for restoration. That's

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Speaker 2: what I want people to know. Don't let because bad

602
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: things are going to happen to all of us. Bad

603
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: things happen to good people. But what we have to

604
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: think about is the resurrection, the new life, the renewal,

605
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: the hope, the healing. And we just had another gal

606
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: who actually just gave an interview to the media that

607
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Speaker 2: is very very rare. But her abuse began at the

608
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Speaker 2: tender young age of three. It was familial trafficking. But

609
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: she is now in her forties and is able to

610
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: proclaim I know how all to both receive love and

611
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: give love because of my transformation in Christ and in

612
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: God and knowing we walked with her for three years

613
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: knowing the true love of God has completely transformed and

614
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: she is radiant now and living her best life. And

615
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: in this interview that she gave, she just said, I

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Speaker 2: want everyone out there to know it doesn't matter what's

617
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: happened to you. There is hope, there is help, and

618
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: there is healing. So we just need to love. We

619
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: need to lead with love. As parents, we need to

620
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Speaker 2: lead with love, try to get inside the psyche of

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Speaker 2: where our children are developmentally, and always let them know

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Speaker 2: we love them unconditionally. We are the one they should

623
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Speaker 2: come to for anything that troubles them. We will help rescue, save, deliver,

624
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: set free, just like our God will will be his agent.

625
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: As parents, you know to do that. And then we

626
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: just do the best that we can to be informed

627
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: and prepared and pray a lot. Yes, pray big, pray big.

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Speaker 1: That is so good, Randie. I think you've just informed us.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally on occasions, I like to end the show in prayer,

630
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Speaker 1: and I think we should do that. I would like

631
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Speaker 1: to my favorite life verse, my all time favorite verses,

632
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Speaker 1: Romans four seventeen. He is the God who brings life

633
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Speaker 1: from the dead and calls things that are not as

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Speaker 1: though they were. And we are right to have a

635
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: righteous indignation about this problem. But we don't need to

636
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: face it in fear. We need to face it in

637
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: confidence that our God can overcome and he can help

638
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: us to protect our children. But God forbid those children

639
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: out there who have gone through this, and they're young

640
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: men and women who are walking with a burden that

641
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: seems too great to bear. He is able and willing

642
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: and desiring more than anything to bring life from those

643
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: dead places in the lives of these children. Would you

644
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Speaker 1: like to say a word of prayer to close us.

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Speaker 2: Out, I would do it. It would be approved.

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Speaker 1: I will follow you up right after that.

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Speaker 2: You go ahead, Lord Jesus, you are the deliverer. You

648
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: are the deliverer, and that is the center of your heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: We hear from Paul and Galatians five. It is for

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Speaker 2: freedom that Christ has set us free. Lord, you are

651
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Speaker 2: about abundant free life. And so Lord, we do pray

652
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Speaker 2: first and foremost for any precious survivor out there who

653
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: is listening that still needs to be set free from

654
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: the woundedness or from some kind of even psychological bondage

655
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Speaker 2: from things that have been perpetrated upon them. Lord, would

656
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: you just draw them in, draw them in with your

657
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: love and let them know they are loved unconditionally and

658
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: that you can do them miraculous and set them free

659
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: from all that continues to bind them from any trauma

660
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: or abuse. And then, Lord, yes, Oh, we pray for parents. Lord.

661
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Speaker 2: Never has the job been any more difficult. We just

662
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: live in such a broken world. And God, I just

663
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: pray that you would infuse Christian parents with wisdom beyond themselves. Lord,

664
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Speaker 2: give them a hunger and thirst, just a desire like

665
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Speaker 2: no other to just be that holy protector for their children.

666
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: And we have to work at that like our lives

667
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: depending on it, without burdening overburdening our children with that.

668
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Speaker 2: And so we've talked about this balance we have to

669
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Speaker 2: have between a proper awareness, but not to live in fear. Lord,

670
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Speaker 2: We have to live in You and not in fear.

671
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: So I pray for those parents, and Lord, I pray

672
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: against evil and oppression and injustice and all the things

673
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: that would come against us and that would intend harm. Lord,

674
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Speaker 2: I pray in the name of Jesus just cover that.

675
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: Lord put a hedge of protection around us, a supernatural

676
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: hedge of protection. Help us, Lord, Help us, Lord, God,

677
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: have mercy. We need to just pray, God, have mercy,

678
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: help us to not be overwhelmed by this. But give

679
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: us that confidence and that hope. Let us hold unswervingly

680
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: to the hope that we profess Jesus and just move

681
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: into this and just engage Kingdom work to bring deliverance

682
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: and freedom and hope and help and healing. And I

683
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: pray this prayer and the strong name of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Amen, I join and everything that Rondie just said. God, everything,

685
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: God expose the deeds of darkness, and the aim of

686
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: Jesus being justice to those who have done heinous things

687
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: to these children, these young women. God, but I pray

688
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: Father over every heart out there, every young woman, every

689
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: child who has been injured or hurt. I look at

690
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: my children frequently, and I let them know there's nothing

691
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: you can think, say or do that's going to change

692
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: my love for you. There's nothing. And I pray that

693
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the young women and the children and young men out there.

694
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Lord it's not as prevalent there, but that have been

695
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: victimized by this, that they would hear your voice saying

696
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: that there's nothing they've ever thought, they've nothing they could

697
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: ever say or do that would change your love for them,

698
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: and that there's nothing that has been done to them

699
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: that changes your love. And as a matter of fact,

700
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: what we learn in the scriptures, I love, I love

701
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: the testimony what Jesus says about leaving the ninety nine

702
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: to go after the one, the one that's hurting, the

703
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: one that is in pain, the one that's been victimized

704
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Speaker 1: and abused. God in Heaven will leave the other ninety

705
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: nine say where they are, and seek you out, to

706
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: find you and to lovingly wrap his arms around you

707
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: and bring you back home. Feel the love of your

708
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: heavenly Father wrapping you up in his arms and saying,

709
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be hard work, but I'm gonna

710
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: heal you and restore you. Psalm forty is one of

711
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: my favorites. He lifts us out of a slimy pit,

712
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: out of the mud and mire. He sets our feet

713
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: upon a rock and gives us a new song of

714
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: praise to our God. And I pray Lord that every

715
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: woman who comes through restop ministries would have a new

716
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: song of praise to our God, and you would do

717
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: tremendous work. I pray your blessings and your favor over

718
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: roundy Lord in that ministry, and Lord, bless us his parents.

719
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: Help us to see God what we don't see yet.

720
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Speaker 1: Help our our intends to be up. Help us to

721
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: have open lines of communication with our kids. Help us

722
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: to walk that balancing type rope of not scaring them

723
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: but making them aware. And Lord, help us to save

724
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: these children that are being groown and abused and victimized.

725
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: In the name of Jesus, we pray God, you are mighty,

726
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: you can do this, and we pray that you would.

727
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: In Jesus name, we pray Amen. Thank you, Rondy, thank

728
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: you so much. Go to Restopmanistries dot org to find

729
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: out more about you.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, and thank you. I know we barely scratch

731
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: the surface, but I think you have inspired people to

732
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: do some diggies on their own and engage this issue.

733
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Speaker 1: I think you have, Rindy, thank you for for helping

734
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: us to do that. I can't thank you enough. And

735
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: this is a topic we'll probably have to revisit. I

736
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: definitely want to find someone to come on here to

737
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: talk to us about cyber safe security. We need to

738
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: understand what we need. We can do the tools that

739
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: we have. So I'm praying the Lord to bring the

740
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 1: right expert on here to help us to talk about

741
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: that because that's so necessary. But thank you and God

742
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: bless all.

743
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: Right, bye bye, Hey you.

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Speaker 1: Guys stick around for that really important post conversation conversation. Okay, Wow,

745
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: that was powerful. Oh my gosh, thank you for sharing

746
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: that letter and it Oh gosh, I can't. That's just

747
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the thing that I think it's going to be shocking.

748
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: It's shocking even for me, and I knew we were

749
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: doing this, but the cyber sex issue of what that

750
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: your child could be back in their bedroom being victimized

751
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: and you're in the den watching house Hunters, you know.

752
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's where it's escalated. And you know hers like

753
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: cod during COVID, every child was not safer at home, right,

754
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: So much went underground and happened because we think about

755
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: how quickly we had schools pivoting and parents pivoting and

756
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: people trying to do all that online learning, and we

757
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: we were ill prepared to put all the safety protocols

758
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: in there because we had to pivot so fast, and

759
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: so you know, that was a wake up call I

760
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: think when we learned kind of because it was I'll

761
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: tell you this, it was a Christian school here in

762
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: town that was the first school to call us after

763
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: the whole COVID thing, when they realized that some of

764
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 2: their own students had been a part of some phishing

765
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: schemes that were sexual allures right there while they were,

766
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, doing the online learning through the through the school.

767
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: So it's like there are a lot of layers to

768
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: that of oh wow, what all our response ability is,

769
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Speaker 2: you know, to protect our children. I'm just on the

770
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: warpath here because I'm just seeing all the fallout from it.

771
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: So it totally escalated when all the schools went online

772
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: and all of these sexual predators were out there like this,

773
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: weren't they? Weren't they exactly? Because oh, look look at

774
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: all of that. There's so much more traffic and all

775
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: of these kids are forced online to do their learning

776
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: and they were just sitting there. Mmm, oh my gosh,

777
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: oh wow, that's incredible.

778
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of fallout since then. I know,

779
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: you're trying to help build healthy homes, but to even

780
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: talk to our kids about because how many kids do

781
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: you know that have at some point maybe even just

782
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: threatened well I'll just run away then you know, get

783
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: in an argument with their parents or whatever. But runaways

784
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: are so vulnerable, they are in such danger. Again, within

785
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: forty eight hours, run away will be approached by a trafficker.

786
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: Really because they're shrewd. They know what to look for,

787
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: they know where to go. They know that a runaway

788
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: at some point is going to be hungry, need a

789
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: place to stay, need some sheltering, and they know how

790
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: to And so you know, it's not just chronic runaways

791
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: or you know, any kid could one time decide I'm

792
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: just going to run away, but to know, you know

793
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: what the dangers are out there that again they're they're

794
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: going to be targeted.

795
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Speaker 1: That's incredible. That's like the perfect analogy to fentanyl because

796
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: it can only take me one use of a fentanyl

797
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: and your kid could die one running away incident and

798
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: your kid could be sex trafficked.

799
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Speaker 2: Wow. And the stats, I don't know them exactly, but

800
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Speaker 2: it's it's upwards. It's ninety percent. It's over ninety percent

801
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: of runaways end up in the sex trade. Wow, end

802
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: up in this mixture. So yeah, there's there's so much.

803
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad you used the word grooming because certainly the

804
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: grooming process and just just us being very careful of

805
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: who we're giving access to our children. We're we're waking

806
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: up the whole Larry Nasar thing, you know, we're waking

807
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: up to things that well intentioned parents are just we've

808
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: got blinders on.

809
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Speaker 1: We do, and it's we don't mean to the hard

810
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: part is this economy. My husband right now, we're looking

811
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: for second a second job right now, I'm looking to

812
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: take on extra work, so we're more extended than we've

813
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: ever been, just trying not not so we can take

814
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: in a vacation or go to a roub or something,

815
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: so we can just to make meat to make ends meet,

816
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: so we don't go into debt, so we can build

817
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: up some savings which has been depleted because grocery you know,

818
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: we're family five, we got you know, groceries are over

819
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty percent more. And so that's the hard part right there.

820
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: It's because we don't want to be disconnected. But then

821
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: you like, you get to the end of the day,

822
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: you work fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours and you're like Okay,

823
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: Now I got to go sit and look on a

824
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: phone for a while and see if everything's protected here

825
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and what's going on, and then they can they can

826
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: hide all kinds of stuff on there, you know, on

827
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: the little porn box that you called it.

828
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Speaker 2: What's exhausting it is.

829
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Speaker 1: We don't want to be disconnected, but there's so many

830
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: other inroads. You know, it used to be. You know,

831
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: your house was pretty protected, right, you know, but now

832
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: predators can get in your house. Web out ever stepping

833
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: foot near your house, but a predator can get in

834
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: your house, and that's terrifying. I'm probably gonna have to

835
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: do I'm probably gonna have to air the post conversation

836
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: to the show because this is maybe I'll have an

837
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: extra episode or divide that episode or something.

838
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: But I mean, seriously, it's true. Yeah, so we need

839
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: to take stranger danger to a different level because, like

840
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: you said earlier, we yeah, yes, I mean, I'm not

841
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: gonna say that it never happens that someone is kidnapped

842
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: right off the streets and then the trafficking occurs, because

843
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: it does. It is some people's story, But we need

844
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: to totally retrain our brains on the kind of stranger

845
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: danger talks that we're having with our kids.

846
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the one we were all supposed to

847
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: have when we were kids, right, you know, we would

848
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: talk about the strangers coming to at the park or

849
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: when you're out and about you know, parents obviously need

850
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: to be aware of that and be concerned about that.

851
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: But the danger that's really happening, like I just said,

852
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: is when you're in you know, you're trying to unwind,

853
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: and you're just sitting there folding some clothes, watching House

854
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Hunters that's what I like to do at night, and

855
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: your kids back in the bedroom on their phone with

856
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: a cybersex trafficker and that's just mind boggling. But clearly

857
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: that's what happened to be right, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's

858
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: what And no fault. I mean, like my parents have

859
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: no clue about this and we're waiting up to it.

860
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: But it's so because you want to have your kid

861
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: needs to have a phone at some point when they're

862
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: out there driving. And I say that, yet we managed

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Speaker 1: without them for so long. But that's the world that

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Speaker 1: we live in. But these phones are predatory instruments that

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Speaker 1: people can use to get to be wherever your child is.

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Speaker 1: Wherever your child is, there could be a predator lurking

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Speaker 1: there because it comes through that phone. That's an incredible

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Speaker 1: thing and a terrifying thing. But which is why we

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Speaker 1: need to be having these conversations with I heard a

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Speaker 1: conversation I heard doctor Phil recently say that we need

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Speaker 1: to be talking to our kids about things that aren't important,

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Speaker 1: why so that when something really important comes up, that

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Speaker 1: we have an open line of communication. So we need

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Speaker 1: to make sure that our relationships are strong. We're having communication.

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Speaker 1: And that's hard for me because, like I said, we're

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Speaker 1: we're so busy homeschooling all day and then I've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the stuff that I'm doing. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to take on extra work because of the economy right now,

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Speaker 1: my husband is and then we need to we need

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Speaker 1: to sit down and have those conversations so then we

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Speaker 1: can say, Okay, let's let's talk for a little bit

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Speaker 1: about your online presence and what happens when you're on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: or what happens when you set up an account on

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Speaker 1: Facebook or Instagram, or what's happening through your email. I

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Speaker 1: want you to be aware, honey, her son, that there

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Speaker 1: are predators out there that you know, this isn't something

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Speaker 1: we need to be scared about, but we need to

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Speaker 1: be aware of that. And honestly, okay, let them listen

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Speaker 1: to the episode we just recorded, because that's a good way.

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Speaker 1: What they need to hear, I think is V here

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Speaker 1: V's letter, V's letter.

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Speaker 2: Eggs xactly because she is just like them, exactly she said,

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Speaker 2: and to say if it could happen to me because

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Speaker 2: she said I thought I was rare. Oh, this kind

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Speaker 2: of thing doesn't happen that she said it did, and

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Speaker 2: it will continue without our intervention. So in V's honor, honey,

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Speaker 2: she wants to do nothing but have her mess to

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Speaker 2: be a message of prevention. Don't let this happen to

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Speaker 2: another child out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you shared it, And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to figure out a way to air

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Speaker 1: our post conversation because this is so important, so important,

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Speaker 1: and I can't thank you enough. It's just it's really

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Speaker 1: been enlightening to me because it's terrifying. It is terrifying

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Speaker 1: as a parent. But the key is how we ended

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Speaker 1: that episode. Prayer, prayer, prayer, prayer.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having the hard conversations because not everybody

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Speaker 2: wants to do this and delve into thinking, Yes, we

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Speaker 2: would rather stick your head in the sand and not

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Speaker 2: have to hear it, but we must.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you. No, I'm kind of hardwired

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Speaker 1: that way. My daddy's daughter, you know, my daddy. I'm

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Speaker 1: my daddy's daughter. I just I've always kind of run

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Speaker 1: towards those those controversial, difficult topics. And I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I've actually pitched some of the softer stuff I do

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Speaker 1: to some mom casts and I recently got turned down

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Speaker 1: because she's like, no, your stuff is gone, and she

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Speaker 1: was like, I think it's necessary. It's just I want

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Speaker 1: to cultivate peace, and I think we need to do

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Speaker 1: that as well. But I mean, man, we can't ignore

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Speaker 1: this because we are not gonna have much peace if

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Speaker 1: this gets in our home. And how do we prevent

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Speaker 1: that is, you know, and some things we can't prevent

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Speaker 1: because our children are gonna make their own choices.

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Speaker 2: I love what you just said, because we are called

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Speaker 2: to be peace makers, so peace doesn't just happen when

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Speaker 2: we push to the rug and don't. We're to be

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Speaker 2: peace makers, and what you're saying is no, we we

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Speaker 2: make that piece and when we think about what piece is,

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Speaker 2: it's shalom, it's wellness, wholeness. Well, we don't make that

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Speaker 2: for our families lightly to be peace makers, for our children,

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Speaker 2: lifelong peace, we do hard things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to a facade of peace. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people have a facade of piece, but it's

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Speaker 1: you know, you've gotta you gotta get up under that run.

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Speaker 1: I can see what's really going on, And unfortunately a

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Speaker 1: v taught us that a lot can be going on

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Speaker 1: that we just don't even know about. And praise God

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Speaker 1: that she came clean, and praise God that she met

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Speaker 1: an amazing young man who really helped her to go

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Speaker 1: do the hard work of getting free from what happened

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Speaker 1: to her. And praise God that her her perpetrator, is

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Speaker 1: seeing justice. And I pray that her story will help

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Speaker 1: a lot of parents. I think the most shocking thing

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Speaker 1: for me about it is just just the idea that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that can be in any home, that can be in

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Speaker 1: any home, the.

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Speaker 2: Home, any home.

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Speaker 1: Well, your work is so necessary and I'm really grateful

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: So it's been good, so awesome, catching up with you,

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Speaker 2: good reconnecting all right, Blessings on all your post work.

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Speaker 1: As we close today, I just want to leave you

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Speaker 1: with this. Don't let this be a conversation that ends

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Speaker 1: when the episode ends. Take a moment to pray about this.

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Speaker 1: Thank God where He might be inviting you, you to

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Speaker 1: step in, whether that's simply growing in awareness, having meaningful

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Speaker 1: conversations with your kids, or coming along organizations doing this

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Speaker 1: hard and holy work, organizations like rest stop ministries. And

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Speaker 1: if today's episode moved you, consider sharing it along with

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Speaker 1: last week's episode with someone else. These are the kinds

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Speaker 1: of conversations that truly truly open eyes, and by God's grace,

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Speaker 1: they can change lives. And wherever you are look around

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Speaker 1: your own community, there are people on the front line, serving,

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Speaker 1: restoring and protecting the vulnerable. Even small acts of support

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Speaker 1: and prayer can make a real difference. Because this work awareness,

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Speaker 1: prevention and restoration. It matters deeply to the heart of God,

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Speaker 1: and He invites us to be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: And as always, remember God gave you your caid, your specific

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Speaker 1: kids for a reason. That's because you hold the key

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Speaker 1: to unlocking who God created them to be. We'll see you.

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