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Speaker 1: two four to three Larry Elder, Salem News Channel, Happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: everybody long week, action packed shows. Always buckle up. You're

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Speaker 1: in for a bumpy ride. Now. Did the media and

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Speaker 1: the Dems lie about the five year old supposedly used

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Speaker 1: as quote unquote bait by Ice? They would never do that,

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Speaker 1: would they. California fraud worse than that of Minnesota. AOC

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Speaker 1: calls for ICE to be defunded, and Special Prosecutor Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith faced House Republicans over Operation Arctic Frost where you

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Speaker 1: got their phone records to investigate whether Trump colluded with

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Speaker 1: Congressional Republicans to steal the twenty twenty election. Trump says,

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Speaker 1: if the Republicans don't nuke the fellowbuster, Democrats will crime,

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Speaker 1: including homicide down under Trump two point zero. Trump, of

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Speaker 1: course is taking credit, but does he deserve at least

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Speaker 1: Angeles Fire Department use charity funds to pay for wait

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Speaker 1: All of this and more. The number is triple eight

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Speaker 1: the allegation that Ice used a five year old as

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Speaker 1: bait in just a second. But first, do you remember

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Speaker 1: this exchange between Caroline Levitt in this Irish reporter who

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Speaker 2: Renee Good was shot in the head and killed by

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Speaker 2: an isation.

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Speaker 3: How does that equate to numbering everything?

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Speaker 4: K Why was Renee Good unfortunately and tragically killed?

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Speaker 5: Are you're asking me my opinion because an Ice agendacted recklessly.

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Speaker 2: And killed it n justifiable?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you're a biased reporter with a left wing opinion.

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Speaker 7: What do you want me to do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're a left wing hack. You're not a reporter.

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Speaker 4: You're posing in this room as a journalist. And it's

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Speaker 4: so clear by the premise of your question, and you

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Speaker 4: sitting in that seat. But you're pretending that you're a journalist,

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Speaker 4: but you're a left wing activist. And the question that

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Speaker 8: You should be.

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Speaker 9: Reporting on the facts.

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Speaker 2: You should re reporting on the cases.

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Speaker 4: Do you have the numbers of how many American citizens

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Speaker 1: I bet you don't.

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Speaker 4: I bet you didn't even read up on those stories.

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Speaker 4: I bet you never even read about Lake and Riley

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Speaker 4: or Joscelyn Nungray. Are all of the innocent Americans who

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Speaker 4: And the brave men and women of ICE are doing

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Speaker 4: everything in their power to remove those heinous individuals and

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Speaker 4: make our communities safer. And shame on people like you

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Speaker 4: and the media who have a crooked view and have

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Speaker 1: Now, that person's name is Niall Stanitch sta Nage, and

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Speaker 1: here is part of his exchange he had with Caroline Livitt.

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Speaker 1: Quote earlier, you were just defending ICE agents that they

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Speaker 1: were doing everything correct. Thirty two people died in ICE custody.

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Speaker 1: Last year, one hundred and seventy US residents were detained

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Speaker 1: End of quote. Now let's analyze this. The one hundred

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Speaker 1: John Lott, the president of the Crime Research Institute Crime

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Speaker 1: set the baseline between presidents January twenty twenty five inauguration

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Speaker 1: I go quickly between the presidents January twenty, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Lott says only about forty or so of those cases

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Speaker 1: for more than a day. Most were released in a

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Speaker 1: few hours. Now, any era is bad, but forty out

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Speaker 1: and twenty five arrests. Now, let's compare that to the

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Speaker 1: last two years of the administration of Barack Obama. Shall

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Speaker 1: we We're talking fiscal years twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: ICE recorded two hundred and sixty three mistaken arrests, fifty

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Speaker 1: four mistaken detentions, and four mistaken removals out of the country.

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Speaker 1: During those two years. Ice made even far fewer arrests

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Speaker 1: Meaning the fifty four mistaken detentions under these two years

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Speaker 1: nine twenty seventeen, fifty six individuals died in ice custody

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Speaker 1: The death rate under Trump last year one death for

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Speaker 1: so by any stretch? Trump's rate of brutality in quotes

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Speaker 1: under Ice was better than Obama's parents. The biggest question

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Speaker 1: way your student learns. Artificial intelligence is changing education faster

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Speaker 1: We are Salem News Challenge. So let's recap. Under Obama,

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Speaker 1: Under Obama, the mistaken arrests mistaken detention rate was worse

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Speaker 1: he's kind of figured out some sort of angle. I

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Speaker 1: This explains why people have now soured on Trump's mass deportation.

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Speaker 1: We can't do that, so we have to speculate. However,

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Speaker 1: on crime positi effect meaning causing crime to go down.

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Speaker 1: How do you have FBI arrests up one hundred percent

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Speaker 13: Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in

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Speaker 6: If the argument is that.

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Speaker 13: You can't arrest people who have violated laws because they

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Speaker 13: And of course they have to defend themselves, and of

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Speaker 13: These guys want at least evolve. But if we had

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Speaker 1: And then you have Hakim Jeffries, he's a leader of

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Speaker 7: American people deserve and Immigration and Customs enforcement agency that

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Speaker 1: It didn't give a riff about Obama's brutality record under Ice.

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Speaker 1: So to recap you get down to it. Under the

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what James Carville said back in twenty

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Speaker 14: These people have the ability to irritate, to have the

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Speaker 1: But defund ICE, mister Carville, that's okay. David Urban Conservative

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Speaker 15: David, I mean Anderson, I was gonna say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now, wait a second. CNN's spent a day with ICE

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Speaker 1: Don't a lot of things go through your head.

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Speaker 1: There we go to him and white.

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Speaker 9: This may look organized, but in this moment confusion.

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Speaker 6: There's always challenges we face when it's dark.

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Speaker 16: Somebody looks very similar to an individual.

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Speaker 9: ICE agents mistakenly arrest the target's.

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Speaker 16: Brother in the process of talking to him in the vehicle.

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Speaker 16: He then said, oh no, I'm actually So and so.

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Speaker 16: Who you're looking for is over here this other address.

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Speaker 16: He led us that address, and we were able to

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Speaker 16: actually arrest the individual.

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Speaker 18: We were looking for.

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Speaker 9: A new point two miles that turn list on twenty seconds.

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Speaker 16: Next target somebody that did excepts some ten years supporting

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Speaker 16: narcotics trafficking. He's also been arrested from the UI, and

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Speaker 16: we also may be attempting to criminally prosecute this individuals

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Speaker 16: because he was previously removed from the country, which is

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Speaker 16: a federal felony.

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Speaker 17: You have evidence right that he's using as fake identity

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Speaker 17: or that is correct.

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Speaker 16: We believe he's been using a US citizen's identity to

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Speaker 16: live and work. Has an Illumini driver's license.

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Speaker 17: Immigration and Customs Enforcement just arrested its second target. It

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Speaker 17: has had surveillance on this person for a while now.

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Speaker 16: This individual was incarcerated at Cook County Jail at one

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Speaker 16: point on he was released without notification the ICE. Previously,

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Speaker 16: if we had been in the jail like we were

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Speaker 16: prior to the twenty eleven ordnance, we probably couldn't arrested

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Speaker 16: the individual at Cook County Jail, much more safe and

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Speaker 16: secure location.

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Speaker 17: He's going to be processed or going to fingerprint him,

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Speaker 17: ask him questions, and there's a whole process that goes

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Speaker 17: into place before anyone is supported back, including seeing a.

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Speaker 16: Judge through visited highway.

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Speaker 1: So back down.

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Speaker 16: This third target, he has an unauthorized use of a weapon,

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Speaker 16: which was a firearm.

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Speaker 1: How did you know what the officer said that prior

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Speaker 1: Why because Obama was going to jails in presents and

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Speaker 1: picking up people that Trump cannot do. And you thaw

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Speaker 1: the only five year old ice got to be arresting

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Speaker 1: is Don Lemon. That is so funny. I've already made

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Speaker 1: a tweet out of it and posted it. So thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for that. Now, does it matter that

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Speaker 1: since the beginning of Trump two point zero ten thousand

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Speaker 1: violent criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota had been arrested, three

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Speaker 1: thousand just since December in Minneapolis alone. Does that matter?

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Speaker 1: Here is Trump showing mugshots of violent illegal aliens arrested

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. So the press had to watch number fifty.

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Speaker 19: People vicious, many of the murderers. These are all out

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Speaker 19: of Minnesota, just Minnesota. I say, why didn't you talk

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Speaker 19: about that? Or because people don't know? Do you want

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Speaker 19: to live with these people international murder that are living

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Speaker 19: were if they're apprehended and either put in jails in

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Speaker 19: their country from where they came or the countries respect us,

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Speaker 19: and so they actually put them there in the old days,

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Speaker 19: they didn't respect our country. Biden wouldn't do this because

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Speaker 19: he let them all in. You know, if you didn't

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Speaker 19: have open border policies of Biden, none of this, all

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Speaker 19: of the things that we all the time that we

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Speaker 19: spent talking about Minnesota and everything else. Most of them

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Speaker 19: are coming from out of the country and it's been

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Speaker 19: caused by a previous administratives. One afterward, Boy, these are

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Speaker 19: rough characters. These are real criminal, illegal aliens that in

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Speaker 19: many cases they're murderers, their drug lords, drug dealers, they're

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Speaker 19: the mentally insane, some of them who are brutal killers.

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Speaker 19: They're mentally insane. They're killers, but they're insane. These are

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Speaker 19: just in Minnesota, California. It's worse in other states, it's worse.

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Speaker 19: No Minnesota, the crime is incredible, the financial crimes are incredible.

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Speaker 19: And the problem is because of the agitators and insurrectionist

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Speaker 19: whatever you're with trouble.

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Speaker 1: And again the ICE agent and that cnnp said prior

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Speaker 1: to twenty eleven, we were able to go to the jails.

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Speaker 1: Here's what JD. Vance said, Number forty three.

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Speaker 13: The local authorities have been told do not cooperate. So

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Speaker 13: these guys are trying to go out and enforce the law.

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Speaker 13: They're trying to arrest sex offenders, but they're trying to

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Speaker 13: do it in an environment where local officials have been

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Speaker 13: told do not help them, do not provide intelligence about

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Speaker 13: where these sex offenders might be. This is disgraceful and

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Speaker 13: there are a lot of things that all of us

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Speaker 13: could do better to lower the temperature.

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Speaker 1: Including cooperating the way you did under Obama. Triple eight

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Speaker 1: nine seventy one sage, Well, let's get her teed up

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Speaker 1: to my Triple eight nine seven one s A G. E.

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Speaker 1: Triple eight nine seven one seven two four three. I

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Speaker 1: am Larry Elder. We are saleing News Channel. Next hour,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk to a former pastor of the

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Speaker 1: city's church that was invaded by anti ice protesters. We're

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Speaker 1: also going to talk about Trump derangement syndrome in Ireland

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Speaker 1: where you can't even make a joke about the President

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Speaker 1: in a positive way without enduring social scorn. And this

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Speaker 1: hour we're going to get into Operation Arctic Frost. That's

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Speaker 1: the investigation done by Special Counsel Jack Smith where he

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Speaker 1: got records of congress person because they thought they and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump are conspiring to quote unquote steal the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. This is the first time that Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: has faced House Republicans over this whole ordeal. All of

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Speaker 1: that this hour, But first, more about ICE. Jatie Vance

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Speaker 1: said right now he's been having meetings with officials in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota and maybe, just maybe we won't have to invoke

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Speaker 1: the Insurrection Act number forty two.

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Speaker 13: I did not talk to him today. I talked to

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Speaker 13: some of his colleagues. You know, your question on the

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Speaker 13: Insurrection Act is interesting. I've tried to understand this as

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Speaker 13: well as I possibly could, and my understanding is what

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Speaker 13: the Insurrection Act. What invoking the Insurrection Act would allow

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Speaker 13: the federal government to do, is that would allow the

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Speaker 13: federal government to use the military for local law enforcement operations.

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Speaker 13: Right now, we don't think that we need that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 13: The President could change his mind. Of course, things could

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Speaker 13: get worse, but right now we think that federal law

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Speaker 13: and officers of a federal law enforcement Now, what I

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Speaker 13: do worry about again is if the chaosk gets worse,

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Speaker 13: if more and more ICE agents start getting assaulted, if

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Speaker 13: other law enforcement officers start getting assaulted, that would be

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Speaker 13: a real problem. But again, we have so much federal

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Speaker 13: law enforcement resources here right now.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Eric Swalwell says he wants to make ICE

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Speaker 1: agents unhireable. Is he aware thirty percent of ICE agents

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Speaker 1: or Hispanic So you want Hispanics to lose their jobs.

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Speaker 1: One article interview to ICE agent female mother of two.

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Speaker 1: She said, I got divorced. I needed a job, good job,

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Speaker 1: good benefits. So apparently Swalwell would want her to lose

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Speaker 1: her job. Number thirty nine.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's what you've just said earlier about what happened

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Speaker 20: on January sixth. We are watching this with our own eyes.

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Speaker 20: We're watching what ICE is doing with their own eyes.

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Speaker 20: We saw that woman be shot with their own eyes.

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Speaker 20: And what I've said is, governor is I will use

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Speaker 20: the powers of the office. If you're gonna wear a

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Speaker 20: mask as an ICE agent in your state, I will

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Speaker 20: take away your driver's license. If you work for ICE,

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Speaker 20: you will be unhirable in the state. If you're gonna

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Speaker 20: work for fascists, forget about working in the state.

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Speaker 2: So we are not weak.

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Speaker 6: We have to go on offense.

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Speaker 20: Otherwise, the most vulnerable in our communities are on defense.

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Speaker 20: And I urge every governor to start protecting their people

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Speaker 20: in their state that way.

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Speaker 1: Now again, if you're just now joining us, last hour

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Speaker 1: went over the numbers of people deported under Trump versus

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Speaker 1: deported under Obama. Obama deported twice as many people. However,

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Speaker 1: the people that ice mistakenly arrested and detained was hire

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Speaker 1: both in numbers and the rate of mistake and arrest

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Speaker 1: and detentions under Obama than under Trump. And under Obama

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Speaker 1: there were four, count them, four US citizens who were

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Speaker 1: mistakenly deported from the country. But don't tell that to

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Speaker 1: CNN's Van Whitelash Jones number forty.

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Speaker 21: Well, I just want to say, this is what you're

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Speaker 21: seeing here. This is not about a deportation agenda. Barack

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Speaker 21: Obama and President Barack Obama deported three million people. Three

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Speaker 21: million The Latin community called them the deporter in chief.

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Speaker 21: With none of this, with no massed agents, with no

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Speaker 21: children being snatched up, without all this nonsense going on,

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Speaker 21: without chemical agents being used against American citizens.

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Speaker 6: Three million people. This is not about.

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Speaker 21: Deport This is not about deporting people. It's about demeaning people.

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Speaker 21: It's about desensitizing people to a local digression.

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Speaker 1: Enough again, the deportation, mistaken deportation rate under Obama was worse.

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Speaker 1: Mistaken arrest rate under Obama was worse. Obama deported four

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Speaker 1: US citizens, Trump none. None of that seemed to affect

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Speaker 1: help Van Jones season picture, though, does it incredible? Now

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Operation Arctic Frost again. That's the operation

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Speaker 1: under which the Biden DOJ got records of Republican congress person,

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Speaker 1: presumably because they thought the congress person were working with

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Speaker 1: President Trump to somehow steal the twenty twenty election. This

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Speaker 1: is Texas Congressman Chip Roy, number forty seven.

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Speaker 22: Let me ask you this, am I on this list?

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Speaker 22: Did you target my records and subpoena my phone toll records?

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Speaker 23: My understanding is your records were subpoenaed by prosecutors before

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Speaker 23: I became special counsel.

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Speaker 6: Well Stafford put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 22: Thankful for the great staff who discovered the email where

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Speaker 22: I learned for the first time a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 22: did my phone records were indeed targeted? We called at

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Speaker 22: and two and we've learned that they were given to

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Speaker 22: the Department of Justice, as this email indicates, because I

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Speaker 22: had been in communication with Scott Perry, one of my

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Speaker 22: colleagues here in Congress who literally had his phone taken

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Speaker 22: from him in front of his family, And of course

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Speaker 22: that we've already talked about in this document.

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Speaker 6: It talks about you.

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Speaker 22: Could be in violation of the privilege by even obtaining

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Speaker 22: and possessing this information if the member objected to the disclosure.

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Speaker 22: This happened four years ago in May of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 22: and I couldn't object because I didn't know. I didn't

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Speaker 22: know until about three weeks ago. My questionnaire is was

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Speaker 22: there any limits to your investigation or the investigation that

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Speaker 22: preceded you, mister Smith, Because as egregious as a violation

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Speaker 22: of separation of powers, this is as an egregious and

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Speaker 22: abuse of power it is, it's far more concerning. You

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Speaker 22: are clearly targeting American citizens for merely being conservative or

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Speaker 22: supporting the president. We've got memos that we've already been

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Speaker 22: talking about in this hearing from April twenty twenty two

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Speaker 22: that preceded you, that established and opened the investigations, which

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Speaker 22: has Attorney General Merrick Garland's signature on it, and the

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Speaker 22: focus was the electors. Now, that was six months before

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Speaker 22: you were appointed. You testified earlier, you met and interviewed

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Speaker 22: Merrick Garland in Deputy AG Lisa Monico, and you briefed

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Speaker 22: the AG and deputy multiple times? Did you brief them

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Speaker 22: on the electors and the prosecution of their supposed crimes?

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Speaker 3: Did I?

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Speaker 22: I'm sorry, I said you brief them on the electors

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Speaker 22: and their supposed crimes.

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Speaker 23: I don't recall specific conversations, but I'm sure that in

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Speaker 23: the course of briefing them.

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Speaker 22: It wasn't that the purpose of the entire investigation as

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Speaker 22: it was set out, Because putting aside that in nineteen

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Speaker 22: sixty was already talked about my friend mister Tiffany that

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Speaker 22: Hawaii put forward in an alternate slate of electors, the

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Speaker 22: investigation pivoted to President Trump and frankly anybody who knew him.

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Speaker 6: Do you know who Cleta Mitchell is?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 22: She's an election lawyer that was involved in filing an

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Speaker 22: election contest on behalf of President Trump in Georgia in

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Speaker 22: December of twenty twenty, a sixty four page complaint with

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Speaker 22: over eleven hundred page of exhibits, witness Abba David's and

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Speaker 22: expert witness reports documenting thousands of votes cast in violation

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Speaker 22: of Georgia law, but which were nevertheless included in the

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Speaker 22: vote totals.

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Speaker 6: Now, notwithstanding the.

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Speaker 22: Disposition of the cases that was filed, is that a

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Speaker 22: criminal act? Filing an election contest on behalf of a

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Speaker 22: candidate for office a client?

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Speaker 6: Is that a criminal act?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 14: Or no?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: In fact we see So why did you.

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Speaker 22: Deem it appropriate to monitor Cleaton Mitchell's long distance phone

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Speaker 22: records in twenty twenty three, two and a half years

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Speaker 22: after the election context was filed and after the presidential

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Speaker 22: electors were certified? What about Jen Ellis? What about Sidney Powell?

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Speaker 22: What about Bill Seppien? What crime did you suspect had

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Speaker 22: been committed by them that would warrant monitoring their phone

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Speaker 22: records two and a half years after the twenty twenty

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Speaker 22: election was certified.

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Speaker 23: With respect to Sidney Powell, she is one of the

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Speaker 23: co conspirators alleged in the indictment. I don't know what

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Speaker 23: you mean by monitoring, sir.

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Speaker 22: If you're talking, Oh, there were some four hundred plus

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Speaker 22: Republican conservative groups and leaders who were targeted by your investigation.

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Speaker 22: Their financial records were obtained, records of the RNC, the

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Speaker 22: Trump campaign, Cleta Mitchell, the Conservative Partnership Institute, the American

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Speaker 22: First League Policy Institute nrcc RSC packs conservative groups people

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Speaker 22: all across the country's citizens because we hear a lot

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Speaker 22: about members of Congress, and we should because of separation

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Speaker 22: of powers and the egregious abuse of power.

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Speaker 6: But what we're not talking about enough.

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Speaker 22: In my opinion, are the American citizens that have been targeted, because, frankly,

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Speaker 22: are there any limits to the power of a special

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Speaker 22: prosecutor a special council.

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Speaker 6: So much so in your abuse of power that in

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Speaker 6: the summer.

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Speaker 22: Of twenty twenty four, the indictment involving classified documents was

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Speaker 22: dismissed after determining your appointment by Lady the appointment's clause

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Speaker 22: of the Constitution. But you continue to sign your name

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Speaker 22: on court filings until the time you resigned from office

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Speaker 22: in January twenty twenty five. The federal judges recently stated

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Speaker 22: a prosecutor who continues to sign his name at court

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Speaker 22: file after disqualification order should face disciplinary action or disbarment.

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Speaker 1: I yelled back, Now, this is not to be confused

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Speaker 1: with Operation Crossfire Hurricane. That's the one that the Obama

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Speaker 1: administration authorized after they rejected the intelligence community assessment that

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Speaker 1: Russia was not trying to help Donald Trump win, and

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Speaker 1: suddenly they had a new assessment that said Russia was

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Speaker 1: trying to help Donald Trump win. This is a different

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Speaker 1: one called Arctic Frost, where the allegation is that Republicans

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Speaker 1: conspired with President Trump to quote unquote steal the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. More on Jack Smith's cross examination by Republicans

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Speaker 1: when we come back, Triple eight nine seven one sage

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Speaker 1: triple eight nine seven one seven two four to three.

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Speaker 2: I M.

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Speaker 1: Larry Elder. We are Salem News Channel. This is darryl

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Speaker 1: Isa of California to Jack Smith, number fifty one.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 5: Did you mention that you were spying on seeking records

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Speaker 5: so you could find out about when conversations occurred between

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Speaker 5: the US Speaker of the House and the President?

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Speaker 3: Did you inform the judge or did you hold that back?

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Speaker 2: My office didn't spy on anyone.

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Speaker 3: Wait a second.

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Speaker 5: The question I asked you, mister Smith, was pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 5: Did you withhold that information from an Article three judge

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Speaker 5: in the process of taking the records of the Speaker

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Speaker 5: of the House, we complied.

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Speaker 3: With the pot did you hold mister would you.

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Speaker 23: Please instruct the gentleman to allow the witness to answer

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Speaker 23: the questions.

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Speaker 3: It's not your time. I'd like my time back, mister Treman.

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Speaker 3: You have repeatedly done that in the past.

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Speaker 2: The witness has the right to answer the question, and there'll.

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Speaker 5: Be due time to answer the question. Would you please

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Speaker 5: put my time back and let me finish this. Mister Smith,

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Speaker 5: I asked you a question and you were not responsive

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Speaker 5: to it, and I want you to be responsive to it.

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Speaker 3: Did you whether you think it was legal or not,

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Speaker 3: whether you think it was right or not?

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Speaker 5: Did you withhold the name of Kevin McCarthy, Speaker of

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Speaker 5: the House when you were seeking records on Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 5: the Speaker of the House or Jim Jordan, the chairman

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Speaker 5: of this committee.

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Speaker 3: At the time. The gentleman is no, please get take

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Speaker 3: it away.

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Speaker 12: Time is expired, but we're going to let the witness

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Speaker 12: answer your question because it's important questions wins can respond.

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Speaker 23: We did not provide that information to the judge when

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Speaker 23: we requested a non disclosure order, consistent with the law

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Speaker 23: and consistent with department.

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Speaker 5: Mister Chairman, The amazing thing here today is that we

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Speaker 5: have an admission that an art chairman that the Gentleman's

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Speaker 5: time is expired by now thirty four seconds.

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Speaker 3: It gets moore than five minutes the time.

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Speaker 24: The time belongs to the gentleman from California. I will

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Speaker 24: be I will be brief in my address to the chairman.

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Speaker 24: We have the evidence that an article one representative of

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Speaker 24: behalf as the president with.

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Speaker 3: Them.

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Speaker 19: With that, I in.

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Speaker 12: Disgust of this witness sticking with California. The general lady

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Speaker 12: from California is now recognized.

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Speaker 1: Just brings us to Jim Jordan of Ohio number fifty two.

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Speaker 12: She was their star witness January sixth Committee, their star

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Speaker 12: witness in one of those staged and choreographed hearings they

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Speaker 12: paid the former president of.

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Speaker 2: ABC News to put together.

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Speaker 12: She was in fact the only witness at this special

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Speaker 12: prime time hearing Tuesday, June twenty eighth, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 12: eight o'clock in the evening, and she told some stories.

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Speaker 12: I mean, these were these were some stories she talked

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Speaker 12: about President lunged across the back seat, grabbed the steering wheel,

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Speaker 12: tried to drive the car to the Capitol.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to know you think she was lying,

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Speaker 2: Chairman Jordan.

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Speaker 23: My assessment of that particular issue is that with respect

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Speaker 23: to the testimony about someone of the president lunging towards

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Speaker 23: the driver. My recollection of her testimony about that is

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Speaker 23: that it was secondhand.

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Speaker 2: She said she'd heard that from somebody.

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Speaker 12: You familiar with the name Tony Ornado. I'm sorry, you

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Speaker 12: familiar with the name Tony Ornado? Yes, White House Deputy

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Speaker 12: Chief of Operations, Deputy chief of staff for Operations.

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Speaker 2: Right. You remember what he said about it, as I

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Speaker 2: said here right now, I do not.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he said it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: About Bobby Engle.

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Speaker 6: You familiar with that name.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I am secret Service agent who was actually.

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Speaker 3: In the car that day.

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Speaker 12: You know what he said, He said, it didn't happen.

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Speaker 12: And they both said the first time they ever heard

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Speaker 12: this story was when miss Hutchinson testified in the prime

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Speaker 12: time hearing as their star witness of the January sixth committee.

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Speaker 12: By the way, do you ever confirm her testimony about

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Speaker 12: this particular incident?

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Speaker 23: We conducted, as I said, before, our own independent investigation

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Speaker 23: of all aspects of the case.

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Speaker 2: That we thought was relevant. We attorneys from my office.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever confirm it? That's a simple question.

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Speaker 2: Well, we interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office.

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Speaker 12: But did you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat,

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Speaker 12: grabbing the steering wheel, this whole concoction she brought up

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Speaker 12: in the January sixth hearing, do you ever confirm that.

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Speaker 23: We interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the car

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Speaker 23: who did not confirm that happened.

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Speaker 12: But also your deposition to the committee last month, mister Smith,

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Speaker 12: you said this my recollection with miss Hutchinson was a

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Speaker 12: number of the things that she gave evidence on were

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Speaker 12: secondhand hearsay. Your remembers making that statement to us last

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Speaker 12: month in the deposition, I.

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Speaker 2: Did, and I was referring particularly to what we're talking

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Speaker 2: about now.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And you also said miss Hutchinson, regarding this particular claim,

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Speaker 12: was a second or even third hand witness. We ask you,

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Speaker 12: if you were a defense attorney, how would you handle

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Speaker 12: cross examining her if she was on the witness stand?

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Speaker 12: And you said, if I were a defense attorney, miss

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Speaker 12: Hutchinson were a witness, the first thing I would do

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Speaker 12: was seek to preclude her testimony because it was here

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Speaker 12: say you remember saying all that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct, sir, that's correct. Right?

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Speaker 12: Were you gonna put her on the witness stand if

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Speaker 12: you ever got to trial.

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Speaker 23: We had not made final determinations as to who we

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Speaker 23: were going to call as a witness.

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Speaker 2: We had a large were still considering her.

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Speaker 6: We had a large.

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Speaker 2: Choice of witnesses in this.

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Speaker 12: Are you familiar what Washington Post reporters Carol Lenning and

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Speaker 12: Aaron Davis said in their book? They did his book

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Speaker 12: three hundreds on pages book on chronicle and the whole

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Speaker 12: investigation of the Justice Department, And.

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Speaker 6: Here's what they said.

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Speaker 12: On page three ten, they said Jack Smith had wondered

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Speaker 12: whether some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon a trial. Still,

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Speaker 12: at one point, Smith told the elections team he wasn't

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Speaker 12: ready to give up on Hutchinson's account. Ultimately, however, Trump

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Speaker 12: administration officials uniformly fiercely disputed her accounts under oath. Prosecutors

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Speaker 12: on your team told Smith they wouldn't want to use

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Speaker 12: Hutchinson as a witness in court, and Smith agreed. Are

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Speaker 12: Carol Lennig and Aaron Davis who wrote this are they lying?

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Speaker 23: My recollection is that I certainly had not made any

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Speaker 23: final determinations about in who we were going to call.

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Speaker 12: And that's the point that is the point, the fact

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Speaker 12: that they used her in a primetime hearing, and you

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Speaker 12: won't rule out using her, didn't rule out using her

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Speaker 12: Putting on the witness stand when everybody knows she wasn't

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Speaker 12: telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: That says it all.

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Speaker 12: That's the degree the Left and Democrats were willing to

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Speaker 12: go to get President Trump putting on the witness stand someone.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows is making it up. Everybody knows that, and.

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Speaker 6: You were willing to do.

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Speaker 12: By the way, you know how many times Cassidy Hutchinson

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Speaker 12: was mentioned in their report, the January sixth report, Any idea,

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Speaker 12: mister Smith, I do not one hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 12: times someone that the whole country knows wasn't telling the truth,

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Speaker 12: and you were still considering putting her on the witness

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Speaker 12: stand because you had to get President Trump.

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Speaker 3: And everybody can see that.

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Speaker 1: Despicable, isn't it. Donald Trump accused of fomenting an insurrection.

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Speaker 1: They routinely refer to January sixth as an insurrection. Hello,

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Speaker 1: nobody was prosecuted for insurrection, let alone convicted of it.

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Speaker 1: BBC had apologized for editing out President Trump, saying I

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Speaker 1: want you to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,

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Speaker 1: and they apologized, and Democrats still equate. January sixth one,

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Speaker 1: did any way to Pearl Harbor? I kid you not

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Speaker 1: all this lawfare. The Document's investigation went nowhere. The allegation

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Speaker 1: that Trump engage in insurrection went nowhere. The Finie Lewis

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Speaker 1: investigation went nowhere. We come back. Brandon Guild of Texas

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Speaker 1: also cross examined Jack Smith, Triple eight nine seven one

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Speaker 1: S eight G E. I am Larry Elder.

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Speaker 25: We pay their salaries.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we should be in charge.

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Speaker 25: If the government is not meeting the needs of its people.

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Speaker 25: There's something wrong right this. We're seeing things happen that

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Speaker 25: have never happened before. This isn't like it was in

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Speaker 25: the forties and fifties. This is Authoritarianism has made its

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Speaker 25: way into every single look and granny of our government.

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Speaker 25: They are kidnapping people. They are illegally deporting American citizens.

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Speaker 1: Triple eight nine seven one s A G E. Triple

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Speaker 1: eight nine seven one seven two four three. I am

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Speaker 1: Larry Older. We are seven newstownel. That was Jane Fonda.

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Speaker 1: We are kidnapping and deporting US citizens. I repeat four

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Speaker 1: US citizens were mistakenly deported in the last two years

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Speaker 1: of the Obama administration, where was ms Fonda as opposed

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Speaker 1: to zero US citizen mistakenly deported under President Trump? And

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Speaker 1: talk about authoritarianism, Here is Brandon gill Rilling Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: over Arctic frost number forty nine.

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Speaker 26: Mister Smith, in January twenty twenty three, did you subpoena

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Speaker 26: then Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy's toll records?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we did, Yes, you did.

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Speaker 26: And the subpoena covered the time period between November twenty

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Speaker 26: twenty and January twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sir. Could you say that again.

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Speaker 6: We're not going to delay like this.

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Speaker 26: The subpoena covered the time period between November of twenty

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Speaker 26: twenty and January twenty twenty one. How many days after

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Speaker 26: Kevin McCarthy was sworn in his speaker did you subpoena

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Speaker 26: his records?

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Speaker 2: I don't recall, but those two things had nothing.

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Speaker 26: It was sixteen days after becoming the highest ranking Republican

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Speaker 26: in the House of Representatives you subpoenaed his toll records.

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Speaker 26: Do you agree that that might reasonably be considered a

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Speaker 26: violation of the speech of debate?

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Speaker 3: Clause.

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Speaker 26: I do not, and I want to be clear that

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Speaker 26: the toll we were collecting months worth of phone data

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Speaker 26: on the Republican Speaker of the House, the leader of

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Speaker 26: the opposition, right after he got sworn in as speaker,

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Speaker 26: all around the time of a major vote. That sounds

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Speaker 26: like a flagrant violation of the speecher debate clause to me,

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Speaker 26: and I think most people agree with me.

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Speaker 6: And Speaker McCarthy had no recourse, did he?

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Speaker 26: Because you issued a non disclosure order ensuring that neither

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Speaker 26: he nor any of the American people knew about the subpoenas.

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 23: The toll record, the non content toll record subpoena is

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Speaker 23: we did secure non disclosure orders for those subpoenas.

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Speaker 26: You did, And let me ask you, this meant that

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Speaker 26: the time you secured those non disclosure orders, was Speaker

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Speaker 26: McCarthy a flight risk?

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Speaker 2: The non disclosure order was based on concerns about it.

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Speaker 6: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risks?

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Speaker 13: He was not?

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Speaker 2: He was not.

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Speaker 26: Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him

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Speaker 26: as a flight risk? It says right here the court

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Speaker 26: finds reasonable grounds to believe that such disclosure will result

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Speaker 26: in flight from prosecution.

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Speaker 23: Sir, when securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't

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Speaker 23: have to be associated.

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Speaker 26: I think that the Speaker of the House is a

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Speaker 26: risk this question, No, this is not your time, This

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Speaker 26: is my time. You think you think the Speaker of

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Speaker 26: the House is a flight risk? You think he's going

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Speaker 26: to hop on a plane and leave the country.

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Speaker 23: No, No, What I was trying to explain is, with

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Speaker 23: respect to a non disclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily

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Speaker 23: associated with this subscriber to the phone.

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Speaker 2: There are risks to okay mitigation.

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Speaker 26: I think that you were using this is clearly in

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Speaker 26: reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false

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Speaker 26: information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from

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Speaker 26: Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that

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Speaker 26: you were spying on as toll records. But I've got

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Speaker 26: more more, so let's move on. In May of twenty

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Speaker 26: twenty three, you also issued subpoenas for toll records of

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Speaker 26: nine US senators.

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Speaker 6: And an additional representative is that right.

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Speaker 2: In May of twenty three, we did issues you did.

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Speaker 26: And there were non disclosure orders in conjunction with those

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Speaker 26: subpoenas as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's correct, consistent with department policy, right law.

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Speaker 6: So again, nobody would know what you were doing.

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Speaker 26: The Senators would, and the representatives would, and the American

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Speaker 26: people wouldn't know what you were doing.

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 23: The toll records that we secured in the non disclosure

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Speaker 23: orders were consistent with policy and case.

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Speaker 26: And you knew whenever you were doing that that there

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Speaker 26: was a risk you were violating the speech of debate clause.

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 23: The toll record subpoenas that we secured were with the

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Speaker 23: concurrence of the public intel.

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Speaker 26: Your own analysis says that you knew there was a

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Speaker 26: risk you were violating the speech or debate clause.

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Speaker 6: I have it right here.

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Speaker 26: This is an email from John Keller at Public Integrity

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Speaker 26: Section to your team. As you are aware, quote, as

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Speaker 26: you are aware, there is some litigation risk regarding whether

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Speaker 26: compelled disclosure of toll records of a member's legislative calls

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Speaker 26: violates the speech or debate clause in the DC circuit.

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Speaker 26: That's from your own analysis right there. So you didn't know,

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Speaker 26: didn't you.

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Speaker 23: So with respect to the item you just put up

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Speaker 23: on the screen, the last sentence states, uh, we're.

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Speaker 6: Going to get to the last sentence.

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Speaker 1: More on this we come back. I'm Larry Elda. Do

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Speaker 1: not leave town.

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Speaker 23: Respec to the item you just put up on the screen.

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Speaker 23: The last sentence states.

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Speaker 26: Oh, we're going to get to the last sentence. Okay,

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Speaker 26: we're going to get to the last sentence, and you

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Speaker 26: cigne case long here. Quote the bar on compelled disclosure

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Speaker 26: is absolute?

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Speaker 3: Is right?

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Speaker 6: Is that right? Or do you think that you didn't

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Speaker 6: have to abide by that precedent?

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Speaker 2: To be clear, this is not this statement is not

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Speaker 2: from my office. This is the statement.

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Speaker 26: This is This is your justification for those subpoenas and

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Speaker 26: indios that you ordered. This was part of your analysis.

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Speaker 26: It's a cursory analysis. I think it's worth noting. Let's

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Speaker 26: get to that last sentence then.

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Speaker 6: Quote.

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Speaker 26: Given my understanding at the low likelihood that any of

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Speaker 26: the members listed below would be charged, the litigation risk

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Speaker 26: should be minimal here. In other words, you're using a

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Speaker 26: novel legal theory which you knew was novel, has never

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Speaker 26: been tested by any court. You're not charging any of

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Speaker 26: these members. Nobody is going to know about it because

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Speaker 26: you issued indo's. Nobody is going to sue about it.

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Speaker 26: So sue this, so who cares We're going to do

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Speaker 26: it anyways. You walked all over the Constitution throughout this

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Speaker 26: entire process.

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Speaker 6: The gentlemen's I'm planned members of Congress, and you know it.

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely disgraceful. Heeled back triple.

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Speaker 1: Eight nine seven one sage triple eight ninety seven one

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Speaker 1: seven two four three Larry Elders, Salem News Channel, And

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Speaker 1: Relief Factor dot com. Now, big picture, These guys under

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Speaker 1: the Biden dealj went after Trump ruthlessly election was over.

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Speaker 1: They assume, of course Trump would never in a million

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Speaker 1: years ever come back and be the only other president

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Speaker 1: to win two nonconsecutive terms. That's not gonna happen. Contrast

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Speaker 1: that with what Trump did when he won in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: How many times during rallies twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, when

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Speaker 1: he's running lock her up, Lock her up. And during

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Speaker 1: the debate, Hillary come comment, you know under me, this

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened. He said, Yeah, you'd be in jail.

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Speaker 1: Remember that, what did he do when he got elected?

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Speaker 1: Did his DOJ go after Hillary Clinton? It did not,

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Speaker 1: and President Trump when asked about it, he said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's just let's just move on. And yet

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Speaker 1: you have people like ilan Omar and others suggesting that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is engaging in totalitarianism, he's a dictator, completely

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Speaker 1: ignoring what happened under the DOJ when Obama authorized crossfire

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Speaker 1: a hurricane, Joe Biden authorizes Arctic frost. Here, for example,

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Speaker 1: is ilan Omar, I understand the weather in Somalia is

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Speaker 1: very nice this time of the year. Number six.

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Speaker 8: This is not just an occupation that is satirizing people

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Speaker 8: in Minnesota. In Minnesota that live in Minneapolis and Saint Paul,

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Speaker 8: which way they are comfortable with when the president says

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Speaker 8: he's coming for retribution because they think it's Democrats who

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Speaker 8: voted against the president that he's coming after. But it

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Speaker 8: is all of Minnesota. When my constituents call for help,

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Speaker 8: we don't ask them who they voted for, because that

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Speaker 8: is what it means to be an elected US representative.

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Speaker 3: So it is appalling.

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Speaker 8: It is appalling for our colleagues on the other side

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Speaker 8: of the aisle to be okay for the president to

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Speaker 8: carry out retribution here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: The law fair against Trump, not a problem. Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 1: running promising to get Trump, which I think is a

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Speaker 1: violation of the canons of ethics for a prosecutor, not

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Speaker 1: a problem. Alvin Bragg using some cockamami theory that somehow

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Speaker 1: the payments to stalmych Armi Daniels was a violation of

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Speaker 1: federal campaign law and somehow violation of some sort of

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Speaker 1: state law. Hillary Clinton, the DNC paid for the Steele dossier,

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Speaker 1: called it what a legal expense? Same thing Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: called the payments of story Ran Daniels. Was she prosecuted, No,

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Speaker 1: she was not given a slap on the wrist by

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Speaker 1: the FEC. Paid a fine, that's it. And then Fawnie

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Speaker 1: Lewis And apparently there was some sort of coordinations between

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Speaker 1: Fannie Lewis and the Biden DOJ. How do we know

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Speaker 1: that because Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act

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Speaker 1: to get records on whether or not they had any

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Speaker 1: contacts and a court had to chastise Fonnie Lewis for

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Speaker 1: failing to turn over the records. So apparently there was collusion.

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Speaker 1: Pardon the expression between the Biden DOJ and the Fawnie

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Speaker 1: Lewis investigation claiming that Donald Trump somehow was engaging in

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Speaker 1: election interference by asking the Secretary of State to find

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Speaker 1: a seven hundred vous He'd say, steal them. He said,

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Speaker 1: make sure you haven't overlooked them. And Trump was investigated

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Speaker 1: for that. Now that investigation has gone nowhere. And then

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Speaker 1: you had the document's investigation. Biden had more documents in

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Speaker 1: more places, and because at the time he was not president,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the authority to declassify them the way

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Speaker 1: Trump did, and he apparently got them when he was

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Speaker 1: Special Council said that Biden was an elderly man with

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Speaker 1: the poor memory, and therefore we're not going to bring

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Speaker 1: any charges against him. That's the only reason the ones

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Speaker 1: And then the January sixth thing, Jack Smith investigating whether

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Speaker 1: that was not a violation of the law. And then

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Speaker 1: again they completely ignore the man said I want you

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Speaker 1: the British BBC did not include when they did a

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Speaker 1: piece on Donald Trump, so called insurrection, and they had

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Speaker 1: to apologize. These people are just too much. And again

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Speaker 1: Trump comes in to office after having rally after rally

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Speaker 1: not these guys. This is incredible, And had the president

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Speaker 1: we never would have known about this. Had Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: suppression of descent over COVID. We never would have learned

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Speaker 1: Klaus is in thousand oars, California. Klaus, do not leave town.

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Speaker 13: How many more rests do we think we're gonna see nationwide?

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Speaker 13: I mean, look, I think we have a fraud problem

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Speaker 13: that is much worse in California than it is in Minnesota.

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Speaker 13: I was talking actually to our small business administrator. I

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Speaker 13: think she's found probably half a billion dollars a fraud

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Speaker 13: of Minneapolis and the broader Minnesota area. I think she's

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Speaker 13: found seven billion dollars with a fraud in California. So

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Speaker 13: this is unfortunately a problem that is much bigger than Minnesota.

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Speaker 13: But it's also it highlights how absurd this effort to

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Speaker 13: prevent the immigration enforcement is. If you look at blue states,

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Speaker 13: blue cities. You look at Memphis, Tennessee not a Republican mayor.

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Speaker 13: You look at red states like Texas, but blue cities

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Speaker 13: like Austin, you do not see this level of chaos

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Speaker 13: over the enforcement and of our immigration laws. What you

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Speaker 13: have is a small band of very far left people

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Speaker 13: who are doing everything that they can up to and

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Speaker 13: including assaulting law enforcement officers and raiding churches to try

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Speaker 13: to make Ice out to be the ultimate enemy and

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Speaker 13: to kind of engage in this weird, small scale civil

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Speaker 13: war against federal immigration law.

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Speaker 6: It's absurd.

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Speaker 13: It's added a lot of chaos here in Minneapolis, and

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Speaker 13: it's one of the problems. Why I'm here to fix it?

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Speaker 1: Ge Triple Late nine seven one seven two four to three.

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Speaker 1: I am Larry Elda. We are Salem News Channel, Klaus

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Speaker 1: Is in thousand, O's Klausher and the Lariota Show. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for calling.

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Speaker 18: Hello, mister Elder, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 6: Love you.

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Speaker 18: I love what you do for our country. I just

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Speaker 18: want to say I wish I could. I wish I

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Speaker 18: could have a dinner with you at the Smokehouse.

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Speaker 24: Man.

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Speaker 18: You're just you're You're a You're a mentor of mine

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Speaker 18: like Dennis Prager, and I just admire you a lot.

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Speaker 18: And I just want to call and tell you that

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Speaker 18: during the first hour when you were spouting off the

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Speaker 18: facts of regarding Ice and then the the uh the

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Speaker 18: five year old kid who whose father left him and

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Speaker 18: ran and I had to, you know, take care of

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Speaker 18: him because they were't gonna let him breathe, and but

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Speaker 18: just all the facts you were dishing out. In my head,

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Speaker 18: I was at work at the time, but in my head,

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Speaker 18: I was like, you know, he's the he's the heavyweight

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Speaker 18: radio champion of facts that I was going to my

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Speaker 18: head like I was seeing you in a in a

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Speaker 18: boxing ring, I was going, man, I just I love it.

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Speaker 18: I love the facts you dish out. I wish more

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Speaker 18: people would do that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Larry Well Klaus, thank you. And regarding dinner

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Speaker 1: you buye I'll fly. I appreciate that. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: to the steakhouse in a while. Sew do you ever

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Speaker 1: been to the steakhouse? Yeah? Have you seen the size

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Speaker 1: of their onion rings? Looks like tires. I'm gaining waight

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Speaker 1: just thinking about it. Well, I want everybody to have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful weekend, and we've got a country to say,

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Speaker 1: we really do. We're gonna be talking to the former

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Speaker 1: pastor of City's church, Saint Paul. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: talk about TDS in Ireland. So stick around for the

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Speaker 1: last hour. Triple eight nine seventy one s A g E.

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Speaker 1: I'm Larry Elder, Motown and more facts. It's the Larry

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Speaker 1: Elder Show. So let's get her tied up with the

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Speaker 1: subdeg Triple eight ninety seven one s A G E.

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Speaker 1: Triple eight nine seven one seven two four three Larry Elder,

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Speaker 1: Salem News Channel or Final Hour. In case you thought

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Speaker 1: that Trump the major in syndrome was something that was

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Speaker 1: localized to the United States, it has metastasized throughout the world,

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Speaker 1: as we witnessed in Davos. We spoke earlier this week

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Speaker 1: with a writer from Ireland, John Waters, who says, you

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Speaker 1: can't even have a conversation in Ireland where you say

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Speaker 1: something positive about Trump without being denounced. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about that later on, but as you know, the

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Speaker 1: city's church in Saint Paul was invaded by a bunch

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Speaker 1: of anti ice protesters. Even HAKEM. Jeffreys, then already leader

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Speaker 1: in the House, said that churches should be off limits

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Speaker 1: number forty four.

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Speaker 7: I haven't followed that particular situation, so I'm not really

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Speaker 7: in a position to comment on the specifics there. What

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Speaker 7: I will say is, as someone myself who's grown up

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Speaker 7: in the Baptist Church, continue to be an active member

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Speaker 7: at the Cornerstone Baptist Church, come from a deeply religious community,

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Speaker 7: I think across the board we all should respect houses

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Speaker 7: of worship, churches, synagogues, moss temples. Let's all respect houses

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Speaker 7: of worship. We can agree to disagree on a whole

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Speaker 7: host of issues, and we should disagree strongly with the

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Speaker 7: extremism that we're seeing unleashed on the Amyria people by

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump his administration, the attacks on healthcare, the attacks

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Speaker 7: on the economy, and the attacks on law abiding immigrant families.

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Speaker 7: We should disagree with those things with righteous indignation and

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Speaker 7: not being familiar with the specifics of what may have

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Speaker 7: happened in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's that's enough. So I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: happened in Minneapolis. I really can't talk on it, but

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Speaker 1: I do know that Donald Trump has been attacking health

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Speaker 1: care and attacking the economy, so it didn't take long

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Speaker 1: to pivot pivot towards Trump derangement syndrome. Similarly, Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 1: the California governor in Davos, was asked about Don Lemon

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Speaker 1: being with this group of anti protesters. He too didn't

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Speaker 1: seem to know anything about it, although he did say

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Speaker 1: at a church number fifty three.

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Speaker 2: It's a remarkable success.

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Speaker 10: I'm run to Charlie. I was obviously, you know, I

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Speaker 10: probays appreciate your interview. Quick question you mentioned in Aneapolis.

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Speaker 17: Any comments on this Don Lemon charging those guys into

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Speaker 17: the church like that.

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Speaker 1: I literally it's funny. Someone mentioned Don Lemon and Trump

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Speaker 1: the other day. And so I have no idea what that.

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Speaker 6: Is like, big viral story.

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Speaker 10: He had, the bunch of agitators.

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Speaker 3: They ran into some kind of church, John don Lemon,

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Speaker 3: into a church.

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Speaker 2: Yes, even no, it's not even this focus literally in

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Speaker 2: the aday about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, it's great. I know nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: Someone mentioned it the other day. Well didn't you ask

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Speaker 1: about it? Didn't you get briefed on it. They don't

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it because it makes their side

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Speaker 1: look bad. But even he had to say in a church.

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Speaker 1: My guest is the former pastor of the church in question,

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Speaker 1: City's Church in Saint Paul. He is a prolific author

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Speaker 1: his latest book, Leadership and the Sin of Empathy, and

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Speaker 1: he serves as a Fellow of Theology at the Master

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Speaker 1: the Divinity Program and the Master of Divinity Program Director

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Speaker 1: at Greyfriars Hall at New Saint Andrew's College in Moscow, Idaho.

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Speaker 1: He's also the associate pastor at Christ Church in Moscow.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the program, Pastor Joe Rigney, former pastor

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Speaker 1: at City's Church.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me, Lary, appreciate to be on here.

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Speaker 1: Pastor, thank you very much for joining me. When you

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Speaker 1: heard about this group of anti protesters barging in on

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Speaker 1: a church service at your former church. What was your reaction.

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Speaker 10: I was shocked.

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Speaker 27: You know, we were actually in church out here in Idaho,

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Speaker 27: and you know I helped to plant this church about

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Speaker 27: eleven years ago. This was actually eleventh eleventh anniversary of

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Speaker 27: the church. Was this last Sunday. And so my wife

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Speaker 27: and I were beginning to get text messages from people

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Speaker 27: we know saying there's something happening at your old church.

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Speaker 27: And then when you come out and you find out

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Speaker 27: what it is, and that people have have brazenly and

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Speaker 27: with in a coordinated way, not an overflow of a

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Speaker 27: protest that got out of hand, but a deliberate, intentional

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Speaker 27: planned with media involvement, invaded in the middle of a service,

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Speaker 27: gone in, sat down, listened to the first half of

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Speaker 27: the service, and then all of a sudden, after a prayer,

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Speaker 27: stand up and began shouting slogans, yelling at the congregants,

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Speaker 27: frightening children, intimidating everybody in sight. It was quite frankly shocking.

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Speaker 27: And so then as I saw it unfold, and more

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Speaker 27: and more video begins to come out of just the

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Speaker 27: chaos and the and it was. I was appalled, and

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Speaker 27: although I was encouraged by the pastor of the church

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Speaker 27: as a friend of mine, seeing him stand there and

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Speaker 27: say shame on you to those who would disrupt the

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Speaker 27: worship of God on a Sunday morning, to answer hostile

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Speaker 27: questions from Don Lemon saying isn't this a great example

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Speaker 27: of people's First Amendment rights. They're just exercising their First

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Speaker 27: Amendment rights. No, they're they're disrupting the exercise of First

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Speaker 27: the rights. The First Amendment protects the right to gather

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Speaker 27: to a symbol freedom of religion, and these people are saying, no,

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Speaker 27: you don't get to do that on Sunday morning, because

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Speaker 27: we're going to intrude politics into your worship service in

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Speaker 27: order to intimidate you, in order to frighten you, in

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Speaker 27: order to scare anyone connected in any way with law enforcement.

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Speaker 27: So it was appalling, and I'm grateful that now some

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Speaker 27: of those folks are have being arrested, and I hope

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Speaker 27: that we continue to see more. Even what Hakim Jeffries

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Speaker 27: said there, that's one of the first times I've seen

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Speaker 27: a democratic politician just flat out condemned this is off limits.

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Speaker 10: Whatever disagreements we may have. This is off limits.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the first time I've ever agreed

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Speaker 1: with Hakim Jeffries. We have a lot to talk about pastor.

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Speaker 1: But first, allegedly the pastor is a member of ICE

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Speaker 1: or somehow it's affiliated with ICE. Whether that's true or

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01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: not is irrelevant. But is it true.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, one of the lay elders of the church is

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 27: in law enforcement. He works for ICE. He's worked for

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Speaker 27: ICE for over twenty years through multiple administrations. He's a

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Speaker 27: faithful man, he's a husband, he's a father, he's a

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Speaker 27: really good man. And he every every day he goes

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01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 27: to work, puts his life on the line in order

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Speaker 27: to remove violent criminals from the streets, rapists, murderers.

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Speaker 10: That's why he does it.

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Speaker 27: He wants to keep people safe, he wants to love

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Speaker 27: his neighbors, and and he does it with professionalism and character.

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Speaker 27: And then this was an escalation, as we've seen on

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Speaker 27: these agitators seek to hinder law enforcement and the carrying

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Speaker 27: out of their duties.

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Speaker 10: That wasn't enough.

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Speaker 27: It wasn't enough to protest that a government building. It

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 27: wasn't enough to hinder law enforcement when they're out there. Instead, No,

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Speaker 27: we're gonna follow you to church. We're gonna figure out

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01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 27: where you go to church, and then we're gonna go

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01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 27: and we're gonna intimidate your family. We're gonna try to

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Speaker 27: frighten your children. That's that's what this was about. And

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Speaker 27: it's it's absolutely beyond the Have you spoken with him,

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Speaker 27: I've not spoken with the lay pastor. I have spoken

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Speaker 27: with the senior pastor who's been in many of the

1345
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 27: videos and that was in their act. I've spoken with him.

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Speaker 27: And at this point, you know, they put out a

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Speaker 27: statement a few days ago condemning this, reiterating the mission

1348
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Speaker 27: of their church, which is the mission of you know,

1349
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Speaker 27: hundreds and thousands of churches across this country. We want

1350
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 27: to worship Jesus, spread the gospel of our neighbors. That's

1351
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 27: what this church is about. It's not a political church.

1352
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 27: There's not a political rally being held there. So they've

1353
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 27: reiterated that, and you know, largely they're just trying to

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Speaker 27: care for their flock and then prepared, is this is

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Speaker 27: this over?

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Speaker 10: Is it going to happen again? Is this is the

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Speaker 10: Left going to continue to escalate in this way?

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Speaker 27: So they're trying to care for their flock, and and

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01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 27: so I'm hopeful that that maybe maybe we've reached a

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01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 27: tipping point and people will will step back from that ledge.

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Speaker 1: You probably have heard the Attorney General, Keith Ellison say that, well,

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Speaker 1: these people had a First Amendment right to do what

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Speaker 1: they did, even though it appears to be a violation

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Speaker 1: of both federal law and Minnesota law.

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Speaker 27: That's that's correct, and the idea, I mean, I just

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 27: can't imagine a state official saying, you know what's in

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01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 27: bounds now. I mean, I if this was any other

1368
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 27: kind of church, I like, if this was a if

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01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 27: this was a black church and a group of white

1370
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 27: supremacists came in not to harm anybody, but just to

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 27: yell and timidate. Do you think that Gavin Newsom would

1372
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 27: have heard about it? Do you think that Kim Jefferies

1373
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 27: would be so nonchalant a matter of course not, of

1374
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 27: course not. They'd recognize that if it was other, if

1375
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 27: it was people on their side. But all of a sudden,

1376
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 27: because this guy's in law enforcement, all of a sudden,

1377
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 27: not only him, but anybody associated with him is fair

1378
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 27: game on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 10: That's just absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 27: I've also seen other legislators in Minnesota actually say this

1381
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 27: was essential to the cause and it will continue, so

1382
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 27: calls from legislators to continue to do it.

1383
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 10: Obviously, one of the women who was leading.

1384
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 27: The agitation, the invasion was a member of the Saint

1385
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 27: Paul's school board.

1386
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 10: So this is elected officials who.

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01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 27: Think this is now inbounds in America to harass people

1388
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 27: and disrupt the worship of God for these political purposes.

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Speaker 1: Patter, when we have about thirty seconds left in this segment,

1390
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: can you imagine these anti ice protesters doing this at

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01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: say a mosque.

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01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 27: Absolutely not. There's no way, there's no way, know how

1393
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 27: that they would ever do that something like that. It's

1394
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 27: it's a unique assault on the on the rule of law,

1395
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 27: and the Christians who are insisting at the law be enforced.

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Speaker 1: Pastor we come back. I want to ask you, is

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Speaker 1: this a new dimension. I've never seen protesters barge into

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01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 1: a church service before. I've seen people protests at museums.

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01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 1: I've seen people protest in Congress and stand up and

1400
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: hold science. I've seen protests everywhere. I've never seen people

1401
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: barge into a service and began protesting and making demands.

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: I want to ask you Are we at a new

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: level here in the country? Triple eight nine seven one

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Speaker 1: seven two four to three. My guest is Pastor Joe Wrigney,

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: the former pastor at City's Church in Saint Paul. Triple

1406
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: eight nine seven one Sage Triple eight nine seven one

1407
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: seven two four to three Larry Older, Salem NewsChannel. My

1408
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: guess it's a former pastor at City's Church in Saint Paul. Pastor,

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: are we at a new level of protests in America

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01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: where people feel brazen enough to borage into a church

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01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: service and began protesting. I've not seen that before, have you.

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01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 10: I've not seen it before.

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01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 27: But what I have seen, I think over the we've

1414
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 27: seen this over the last you know, ten twenty years,

1415
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 27: is escalating collisions between conservative Christians and wider leftist America.

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 27: And so whether we're talking about legal harassment, if someone

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01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 27: won't make a cake celebrating a gay wedding, things like that.

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 10: So you've got the law fair dimension of this.

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01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 27: But I think even in the last few years, whether

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01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 27: it was the trans shooting in Nashville of a Christian

1421
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 27: school last year in Minnesota, another trans individual shot up

1422
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 27: a Catholic mass and so I think churches in this

1423
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 27: day and age have had to adjust and think we

1424
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 27: need to have a security plan. But I think it's

1425
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 27: largely centered on shooters on an active shooting situation. This

1426
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 27: was a different kind of thing because it was a

1427
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 27: large crowd of people, it was planned and coordinated for

1428
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 27: media exposure. It was loud, it was proud, It wasn't

1429
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 27: done in a corner. It was designed to get on

1430
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 27: the news. So I do think it's an escalation in

1431
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 27: our context, But quite frankly, I take courage and comfort

1432
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 27: from the scriptures. This is the sort of thing that

1433
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 27: does happen in the Bible. The Book of Acts is

1434
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 27: filled with this sort of thing, riots, mobs, threats against

1435
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 27: Christian leaders, government complicity or encouragement or ineptitude.

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01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 10: In the face of it.

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 27: So this is not new in the history of Christianity,

1438
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 27: and I think that's a great comfort for us as

1439
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 27: Christians to be able to say, we've been here before,

1440
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 27: and we should seek God's help to do for us

1441
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 27: what He did in the early Church was, which was

1442
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 27: to strengthen them to continue to preach the word of

1443
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 27: God with boldness, to stand firm, to love their neighbors.

1444
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 27: That's what we need to do as Christians, but it

1445
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 27: is unprecedented I think in recent American history.

1446
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: Pastor, I suspect that most of these people who were

1447
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: protesting had not set foot in a church in years.

1448
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the silver lining. But I want to

1449
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: ask you about this. About a third of Americans said

1450
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: that they wish the would be assassin in Butler, Pennsylvania

1451
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: had been successful. This is not the way Christians think.

1452
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Christians don't think like that, don't reason like that. I

1453
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: believe a lot of the hatred towards one side toward

1454
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: the other comes from a perspective of people who are

1455
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: not Christians do not understand that Christians do not hate

1456
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: the way that side, in my opinion, hates our side.

1457
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: We think that they're wrong, ill informed, may be indoctrinated,

1458
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: but we don't hate the other side. I believe. I'm

1459
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: not speaking for every single person, obviously, but the other

1460
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: side has a large number of people that literally hate

1461
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 1: you because of the way you think it hates you

1462
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: because you voted for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I do think that there is a fundamental difference.

1464
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 27: I think that's a hard thing for some Christians to accept.

1465
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 27: I think a lot of Christians would really like it

1466
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 27: to live in a country where there's a common moral foundation,

1467
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 27: there's a common culture and a common faith that underlies it.

1468
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 27: And then our debates, our political debates are over marginal

1469
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 27: tax rates and things like that, what size of government

1470
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 27: we should have, or things. But we're not in that

1471
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 27: kind of situation. We're in a fundamental worldview collision between

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 27: those who want to promote lawlessness, who think that borders

1473
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 27: are optional, who think that unborn children can be slaughtered

1474
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 27: in the womb, that men can become women and women

1475
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 27: can become men, that we can trans the kids. That's

1476
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 27: one side, and then there's another side that believes, as

1477
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 27: in the entirety of Western civilization is embraced for two

1478
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 27: thousand years, that God is God, that he made us

1479
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 27: male and female, that unborn life should be protected, that

1480
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 27: borders are good, that law should be enforced. And so

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01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 27: it is really difficult to have normal political debates when

1482
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 27: the differences are that stark. And so at one level,

1483
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 27: this is what I've been saying all week long, is

1484
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 27: that there really is a choice before us. It's Christ

1485
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 27: or chaos. That is the fundamental choice facing America today

1486
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 27: is will we turn to Christ. Will we turn back

1487
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 27: to the Lord, back to God. Will we humble ourselves

1488
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 27: before him, repent of our sins, accept his forgiveness? And

1489
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,839
Speaker 27: then from there, I think we can and have fruitful

1490
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 27: political debates about various governmental things or political things, all

1491
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 27: of that's in bounds. But if we don't do that,

1492
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 27: then what we're going to continue to see is increasing lawlessness,

1493
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 27: increasing chaos, and increasing disorder, increasing hostility, because that's what

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01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 27: human beings do, apart from the grace of God.

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01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, I'm old enough, Pastor to remember nineteen

1496
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: eighty four, a conservative every bit as conservative as Donald

1497
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: Trump on the fiscal side, one re election forty nine

1498
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: states to one. The only one who lost with Minnesota.

1499
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: He lost it by a few thousand votes. Can you

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01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 1: imagine a country where somebody like Donald Trump wins forty

1501
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: nine states and only loses one. How far have we

1502
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: gone from that time in American history? Pastor?

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01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 27: It's absolutely true, and I think it is rooted in

1504
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 27: an abandonment of God. Like when you turn away from God,

1505
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 27: nothing holds together. And what we're seeing today is as

1506
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 27: a result, you have the chaos in the streets. We

1507
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 27: have the chaos that we you know, many Minnesota's been

1508
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 27: through it. I was there in twenty twenty after George

1509
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 27: Floyd died and the riots took over. Every gas station

1510
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 27: within two miles of my house was burned to the ground.

1511
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 27: We had to drive and you know, far away to

1512
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 27: even just get gas, and you couldn't go to certain

1513
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 27: neighborhoods because they were no go zones. And so this

1514
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 27: is an increasing tactic, and it's it's almost entirely on

1515
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 27: the left. You don't after Charlie Kirk was assassinated last

1516
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 27: fall by a leftist because because, like Stephen in the

1517
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 27: in the Book of Acts, he was an evangelist who

1518
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 27: wanted to honor God, who wanted to you know, call

1519
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 27: people to Christ, leave a legacy, have kids, rebuild your country.

1520
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 27: That was his message, and that was intolerable and so

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Speaker 27: a leftist assassinated him. But after that, what did Christians do?

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Speaker 27: Did we riot in the streets. Did we take to

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Speaker 27: the streets to assault people. Did we go to the

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Speaker 27: liberal churches, to progressive churches and demand that they denounce

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Speaker 27: anybody associated with the LGBTQ movement?

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Speaker 10: Of course not.

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Speaker 9: What did we do?

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Speaker 10: We gathered to pray, We gathered to have worship services.

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Speaker 27: We gathered to honor God, to thank him for the

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01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 27: gift of Charlie Kirk, and then to get back to

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Speaker 27: the normal everyday work of raising our families and educating

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Speaker 27: our children and seeking the good of our neighbors, because

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Speaker 27: that's what Christians do. And so this really is again

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Speaker 27: a fundamental choice about which direction America will go. And

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Speaker 27: I'm hopeful and I'm praying, as all Christians are around

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Speaker 27: the country, that God would be kind to us, and

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Speaker 27: he would pour out grace and mercy upon us so

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Speaker 27: that we would turn back to Him and we would

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Speaker 27: avert the disaster that we seem to be heading towards.

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Speaker 1: Pastor we have about two minutes left. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me. I can't quite remember exactly how

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Speaker 1: Tim Kane, the former vice presidential candidate, phrased it, but

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Speaker 1: somebody was talking about America being a Christian nation founded

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Speaker 1: into Dao Christian values and he said, no, that's a theocracy.

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Speaker 1: He got hammered and began backing away from it. But

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Speaker 1: for the man who almost became vice president, do not

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Speaker 1: understand that America is a Christian nation founded upon Todao

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Speaker 1: Christian values. Was just jaw dropping.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely we were. We absolutely were.

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Speaker 27: The founding fathers were overwhelmingly Christian, and they were the

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01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 27: kind of Christians who believed things, who believed in fundamental.

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Speaker 10: Moral order in the universe.

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Speaker 27: They could leave room for denominational They didn't want to

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01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 27: fight over are you a Baptist or you a Presbyterian?

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01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 27: Are you an Anglican? And that that was not what

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01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 27: they wanted to fight about. But they did want a country.

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Speaker 27: As John Adams said, our constitution was built for a

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Speaker 27: moral and religious people. It's unfit for any other kind.

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01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 27: And so this is the challenge before us is we

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01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 27: have these amazing governing documents that we've twisted and corrupted,

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01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 27: at least the left is twisted and corrupted over the

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Speaker 27: last two hundred years.

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Speaker 10: But we have these amazing documents. But what kind of

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Speaker 10: people are we? What kind of people are we?

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Speaker 27: Are we the kind of people who tolerate disruptions of

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Speaker 27: worship services or law enforcement activity? Are we the type

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Speaker 27: of people who kill are on our children? Are we

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Speaker 27: the type of people who seek to mutilate our children?

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Speaker 27: What kind of people are we as Americans? And I

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Speaker 27: think that's again the question that we have to ask

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Speaker 27: what kind of people will we be? Will we be

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Speaker 27: God honoring, God varing people, or or will we follow

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Speaker 27: the left into the abyss.

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Speaker 1: We have twenty seconds left. Answer your own question, pastor,

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Speaker 1: what do you think?

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Speaker 10: I am hopeful.

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Speaker 27: I gotta say that, Larry. I am hopeful that God

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01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 27: will pour out his mercy. He's done it before. There

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Speaker 27: have been revivals, there have been awakenings in this country.

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Speaker 27: There have been those things to bring us back from

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Speaker 27: the edge. And so I'm hopeful that God will do it,

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Speaker 27: and every Christian should continue to pray that he does.

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Speaker 1: Pactor Joe Rigney, thank you so much for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. God bless thanks that.

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Speaker 10: Larry, thank you few.

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Speaker 1: Triple eight nine seven one s A g E triple

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Speaker 1: eight nine seven one seven two four three. I am

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Speaker 1: Larry Older. We are sailing the news channel brought to

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Speaker 1: you from the Relief Factor Studio. Don't forget your Relief

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Speaker 1: We spent some time a few days ago with Irish

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Speaker 1: writer conservative John Waters. He told us that the contempt

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump in Ireland is so intense that you

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Speaker 1: can't even say something mildly positive about Donald Trump in

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Speaker 1: a social setting without being attacked. And he made reference

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Speaker 1: to the Irish Times editorial around the time of the

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Speaker 1: election of Trump two point zero some way back, and

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Speaker 1: I looked at it. Here's the first sentence. For the

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Speaker 1: third time in eight years, the US stands at a

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Speaker 1: faithful crossroads. Should he win next Tuesday's election, donald Trump

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Speaker 1: will make history as only the second president since the

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Speaker 1: country's founding to serve two non consecutive terms. And then

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Speaker 1: they go on and give their opinion of mister Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is the last paragraph of this editorial. And again

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Speaker 1: this is editorial, not to be confused with an op

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Speaker 1: ed piece. And op ed piece is when somebody writes

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Speaker 1: his or her opinion. This is the opinion of the

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Speaker 1: newspaper itself, by its editorial board. Last paragraph quote. Trump's criminality, venality, misogyny, xenophobia,

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Speaker 1: and psychological instability render him unfit for any office. And

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Speaker 1: it is to be fervently hoped that he will fail

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Speaker 1: again next Tuesday. But should he do so, the fear,

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Speaker 1: resentment and deep disenchantment with the American social contract which

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Speaker 1: had fueled his rise, will surely find new forms of expression,

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Speaker 1: which could difficult, though they may be to imagine, prove

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Speaker 1: even darker. In other words, if Trump doesn't win, thankfull,

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01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 1: only going to get it even worse. Says the Irish

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Speaker 1: Times editorial. This is what John Waters and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about number nine.

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Speaker 28: This is how distorted everything is in our culture. You know,

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Speaker 28: it's hard to explain because it's a hard to be honest.

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Speaker 3: You see.

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Speaker 28: This is the thing, Larry, that I've found the last

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Speaker 28: two years in Ireland that having lived in this country

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Speaker 28: all my life I'm seventeen now, and most of that

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Speaker 28: time I would have said we were, you know, maybe

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Speaker 28: a poor country, but an intelligent country. We had a

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01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 28: country that was kind of open to discussion. We were

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Speaker 28: very garrulous people. We're very kind of you know, argumentative.

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Speaker 28: That's now stopped, Larry. In the last few years. People

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01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 28: are terrified to open their mouths about anything. They're even

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01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 28: terrified to have a thought or to smile at something

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Speaker 28: that somebody will make. If somebody makes a joke, you know,

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01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 28: in favor of Trump. Impossible actually, but you know, for example,

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01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 28: they would not be fate to smile in case somebody

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01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 28: would see them and say, why are you smiling at that?

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Speaker 6: Do you like Trump?

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01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 28: Is there something wrong with you?

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01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Unbelievable? Trump's criminality, finality, misogyny, xenophobia,

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01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and psychological instability render him unfit for any office, And

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01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: so it had fervently hoped that he will fail again

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01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Back to John Waters number eight.

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Speaker 28: All right, but that's the thing about Trump.

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01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: See, you know this isn't It's entirely to do with.

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01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 28: Prejudice which were spread at an early stage in Trump's

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01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 28: first candidacy in twenty fifteen sixteen, that he was like

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01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 28: this terrible man. You know, nobody's looked at him since

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01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 28: nobody listens to him, nobody looks at what he's doing,

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01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 28: nobody asks There is no intelligent conversation about what Trump

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01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 28: is about. I mean, it's possible to have an intelligent

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01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 28: conversation in which one would criticize Trump, for example, about

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 28: different things or whatever, in the same way as you

1653
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 28: would discuss any politician, but that we never do that

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01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 28: in Ireland. It's entirely that he is as kind of

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01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 28: a diabolical figure and as a kind of a talisman,

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01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 28: of something to be avoided at all costs.

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Speaker 1: So you know, so John Trump gets no credit for

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Speaker 1: uh In in three weeks, four weeks securing our border.

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01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: He gets no credit for that. He gets no credit

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01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: for nothing, No or negotiating the into the Gaza Israeli

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01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 1: war and releasing the hostages and the remains. No credit

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01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: for any of that. No credit for abolishing three nuclear

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01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: sites in Iran, no credit for that at all.

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Speaker 28: It's not possible for Trump to do anything good by

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01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 28: the Irish.

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Speaker 1: In the Irish mind, un believable. No credit for anything,

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01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: same thing. That's why this whole affordability thing was called

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01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: a hoax by Donald Trump. It isn't that people aren't

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01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: concerned about affordability, it said, He's getting credit for nothing

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Speaker 1: he's done to improve affordability. Now, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: nine seventy one seventy two fourty three. I am Larry Old?

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Speaker 1: Do we are Salem News Channel? As we close out

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Speaker 1: the week, Let's continue our discussion about Trump arrangement syndrome,

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Speaker 1: shall we? The other day I had lunch with a

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Speaker 1: buddy of mine. Hadn't seen him in a long time,

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Speaker 1: so he told one of his friends He's going to

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Speaker 1: have lunch with Larry Old. He goes tell is he

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Speaker 1: still a misogynist? Cause he still hate women? And my

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Speaker 1: friend said, what makes you say that? And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: when he ran for governor, he said women were inferior

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Speaker 1: to men. Let me tell you how that came about.

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Speaker 1: That talking point that was used against me. I've written

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Speaker 1: an article once a week ever since April of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight. The only time I've taken off was when

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Speaker 1: they made me take off when I ran for governor,

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Speaker 1: and they made me take off when I briefly ran

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Speaker 1: for president. The newspapers wouldn't run a column of a

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Speaker 1: candidate outside of that. Every single week they give you

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Speaker 1: two weeks off for Christmas. Normally I only take no.

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Speaker 1: Normally I don't take any off, but I've taken over

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Speaker 1: the years, one or two weeks off during that period

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Speaker 1: of time. Outside of that, I've written uh an article

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Speaker 1: once a week ever since April of nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: That's something like fifteen hundred columns. So during my candidacy

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Speaker 1: for governor, some enterprising reporter went over every single column

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Speaker 1: I wrote and found one I wrote around twenty ten

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Speaker 1: called the She Issues sh E S stand for Social Security,

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Speaker 1: h dand for healthcare, and E stand for education. And

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Speaker 1: in the column I said that women were far more

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Speaker 1: concerned about those issues than are men, and knew more

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Speaker 1: about those issues than men. And I quoted a survey

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Speaker 1: that had been done by a professor at the Annenberg

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Speaker 1: School in Pennsylvania, which is left wing. Professor's left wing

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Speaker 1: and professor said there were twenty five questions about politics,

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Speaker 1: ask of men and ask of women. Men knew more

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Speaker 1: than women did in fifteen of those questions, they knew

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Speaker 1: the same in nine. Women only knew more than men

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Speaker 1: in one of the ti twenty five questions. And I

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Speaker 1: quoted this professor who's still there. She said, the reason

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Speaker 1: men know more about these issues than do women is

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Speaker 1: that women are more likely to watch local news, and

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Speaker 1: local news makes you dumber. End of quote. I didn't

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Speaker 1: say it. I quoted this female left wing professor. So

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Speaker 1: the shorthand was then Larry Elder thinks women are less

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Speaker 1: smart than men. During the one of the Republican debates

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Speaker 1: which I did not participate in, I didn't because I

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Speaker 1: was always doing a fundraiser, or giving a speech, or

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Speaker 1: doing an interview with print media, radio, TV, what have you.

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Speaker 1: And I also knew that since I was at the

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Speaker 1: front wunner, far and away all the other Republicans would

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Speaker 1: do it's spend their time attacking me, so I thought

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Speaker 1: it was pointless. There were like three or four Republican debates.

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Speaker 1: Each time they had one, the polls came out and

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Speaker 1: my gap was even wider. So it was a prudent

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Speaker 1: political decision for me not to do it. But during

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Speaker 1: one of the debates, one of the questions asked of

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Speaker 1: these Republican candidates is Larry Elder thinks that women are

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Speaker 1: less smart than men, And one of my Republican rivals

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Speaker 1: said that's bs, except he didn't say BS, and then

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Speaker 1: began to rail against me because of my alleged sexism.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I'm quoting a female professor. I

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Speaker 1: didn't do the survey she did. It's not my fault

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Speaker 1: that men knew more than women did. Of these questions,

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Speaker 1: It's not my fault women only knew one. I just

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Speaker 1: quoted it. I did also say that women know more

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Speaker 1: about social security, about healthcare, and about education than do men.

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Speaker 1: And the average IQ of a man it's one hundred.

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Speaker 1: The average IQ of a female is one hundred. So

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Speaker 1: I have no way, shape or form ever said or

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Speaker 1: think that women are inferior intellectually than men. Yet that

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Speaker 1: was a shorthand same thing with Donald Trump. It just

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We've talked about this several times. He mocked

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Speaker 1: as able reporter.

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Speaker 6: No he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He said there were good Nazis and bad Nazis on

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Speaker 1: both sides in Charlottesville. No he didn't. He said drink bleach.

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Speaker 1: No he didn't. He said if I don't win, there'll

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Speaker 1: be a blood bath. No he didn't. All taken out

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Speaker 1: of context. Now there are two people who follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. When is a guy named Scott McKay who

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Speaker 1: is a conservative commentator based in Louisiana, and the other

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Speaker 1: one is a Danish economist. The Danish economists cannot stand Trump.

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Speaker 1: The Louisiana commentator is a fan, and they had a

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Speaker 1: Twitter exchange. Let me read you part of it. Here

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01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: is the Danish economist whose name is Large Christiansen. The

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01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: problem isn't Trump, he wrote, The problem is the United States.

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Speaker 1: When the outside world observes Trump's insane behavior and his

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Speaker 1: threats against allies, and we at the same time observed

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Speaker 1: that there is no real action from the US public, Congress,

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Speaker 1: or the US Supreme Court or the media about this insanity.

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01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: We all have to conclude that America accepts his behavior.

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Speaker 1: Now don't know where this guy is. No reaction. Courts

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01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: are routinely ruled against Donald Trump, especially at the district

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01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 1: level and the appellate level. The media, ABC and BCCBS,

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01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: just to name three, over ninety percent of their coveragegainst

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01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Trump has been negative. No reaction for the US public.

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Speaker 1: Trump has terrible poll numbers, and as I said earlier

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Speaker 1: this hour, about a third of Democrats wish that the

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Speaker 1: would be assassin had been a non would be assassin,

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Speaker 1: but a successful assassin. When this guy says, there hasn't

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01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: been no pushback from the American public, Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: He continues. The public in the US think that the

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Speaker 1: US is entitled to a certain position in the world

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Speaker 1: where there's no room for decent behavior and where there

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01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: are no norms and rules. That means we all have

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01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:08,959
Speaker 1: to conclude that the US, not only Trump, has betrayed

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Speaker 1: the international order and that the US with its Western partners,

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01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: were the main architects of after the Second War, that

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Speaker 1: we've abandoned that. He writes, this is a conclusion that

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Speaker 1: Canadian Prime Minister Mark carne So clearly laid out in

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Speaker 1: his speech Ja Davos, we simply cannot trust the US

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Speaker 1: to play by the rules anymore. Therefore, we must ask

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01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,839
Speaker 1: a fundamental question, should we trust the financial and economic

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01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 1: structure which is the integral part of the global rules

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01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: based order. Americans, he writes, lives in the illusion that

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Speaker 1: the US can do everything on its own, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that for twenty years the US has lived beyond

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Speaker 1: its means. Then he talks about how other countries are

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Speaker 1: buying American bonds. We have these other countries in order

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Speaker 1: to float our debt. If they're doing it to be altruistic,

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Speaker 1: I'll continue this exchange when I come back. Triple eight

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Speaker 1: ninety seven one, SAG Triple eight nine seven one, Sage

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Speaker 1: triple eight nine seven one seven two four three Larry Elders,

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Speaker 1: Salem News Channel. I was talking about an exchange between

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Speaker 1: a Trump hating economists from Denmark and an American who

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Speaker 1: supports Trump. Economs are saying that we have been living

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Speaker 1: beyond our mean for twenty years, and that our consumption

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Speaker 1: has been a funded by European central banks and pension funds.

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Speaker 1: And then he says, why should we put our savings

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Speaker 1: into US Treasury bonds. Well, the answer is because our

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Speaker 1: political system is secure. That's why you're here. But she

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01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: goes but he goes on. It talks about if Trump

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Speaker 1: can and tariff nations that will not give up their territory.

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Speaker 1: There's certainly no reason to believe that US will not

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Speaker 1: introduce further capital controls. And if that is a risk,

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Speaker 1: why would you risk investing in the US. It is

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Speaker 1: not a question he continues, about Europe standing up to

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Speaker 1: the US. It's a question about being prudent with our investment.

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Speaker 1: Every day Trump remains in office, he writes, distrust of

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Speaker 1: the US increases, and the costs for the US will

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Speaker 1: go up day by day. And this is irreversible. It

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Speaker 1: takes years to build trust. You can destroy it by

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01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: your actions in minutes. US, he says, had completely lost

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Speaker 1: the trust of Europe, Canada, and the trusts the US.

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Speaker 1: It is up to the people of America to demonstrate

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Speaker 1: that Trump is an outlier. It is up to the

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Speaker 1: American people to stop him. If you don't do that,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to assume that this is what the US

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Speaker 1: is all about. Now, The defender writes this back, you

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Speaker 1: should really consider that Americans aren't very put out by

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Speaker 1: Trump's behavior because America has lost trust in Europe and

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Speaker 1: that Trump has to operate in the way he does

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01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: because of the stifling bureaucracy which pervades everything you do.

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01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: He has to beat on your heads because otherwise you

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01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: will dither and pontificate and ultimately do nothing. Trump is

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Speaker 1: now in his six year as president, writes this commentator

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Speaker 1: from Louisiana. Do you really think he doesn't have the

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01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 1: measure review? How many years has it been since Russia

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01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: invaded Ukraine and we've been signaling ever more loudly it's

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01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: time for a peace deal because we aren't interested in

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01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: backing Ukraine forever. You ignore us, and then you engage

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01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: in endless talk about raising your own army to fight

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01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: the Russians without actually doing it. To us, you're a joke.

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01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 1: You're a pathetic joke. Actually, you're giving your whole continent

1853
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Speaker 1: away to the third world barbarians from Africa and the

1854
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 1: Middle East, while acting like there's no virtue in it,

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01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 1: while acting like there's virtue in it. And then you

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01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: insist we operate just as you do. No, we're not

1857
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: built that way. And if we have to send a

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01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: rude real estate developer from Queen to treat you like

1859
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,799
Speaker 1: Marx in order to make you understand that your feelings

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01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 1: do not govern our facts, then so be it. End

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01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 1: of quote. I have a friend I've known for a

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Speaker 1: number of years from Canada. I told you about her,

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Speaker 1: and she texted me after the toppling of Maduro and said, well,

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Speaker 1: have you reached your limit yet? And then when I

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Speaker 1: said no, she ended our friendship. Everybody, have a fantastic weekend.

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Speaker 1: I expect you here promptly on Monday. God bless, what can.

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Speaker 10: I say, But Mike has been dropped all across America.

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Speaker 10: That's enough.

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Speaker 1: Put down the mic phone. The Larry Elder Show