1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: What if I told you everything that you think you 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: know about a major historical figure could be wrong. It's 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: being challenged. I'm talking about MLK Martin Luther King Junior 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: by a guy named Chad O. Jackson. He's out there 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: making videos and I saw him doing that, invited him 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: on my show, and what you're about to see is 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: going to blow your mind. I'm fifty nine years old, 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: so I wasn't around for much of MLK. I certainly 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: have learned what we've been told we should know about MLK, 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: and what we should know is that we should judge 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: our children by the content of their character, not the 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: color of their skin. That sounds really good to me. Chad, 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: what am I getting wrong? 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 2: You're not wrong. The problem is that when you look 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: at King, you look at the Civil rights movement, and 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: you look at the communists, the communist influences of the movement, 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: you begin to understand that a lot of what we understand, 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: or what we think we understand about King is a 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: fabrication and a concoction that was meant not to bring 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: about racial equality, but in a real sense, to sayvia 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 2: ties the United States of America. Much of his work 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: was plagiarized, including the famous wanting his children to be 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: judged not by the color of their skin but by 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: the content of their character. I mean that was lifted 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: from a article written in a Soviet newspaper in eighteen 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: seventy two, where South South Carolinian journalist wrote that surely 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: a day will come when the men of South Carolina 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: will not be judged by the color of their skin 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: or their golodness of tongue, but by their conduct and 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: their character. And it's interesting because when you look at 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: the I have a dream speech, it was heavily written 32 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: and edited by King's advisors, most of whom were Communists 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: or had affiliations with the Communist Party, whether it was 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: Stanley Levison or Clarence B. Jones's attorney, or Byrd Rustin 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: or any of the others. Staine Levison in particular was 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: a very wealthy Communist financier and advisor. He held two 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: law degrees, a very well read man. So a lot 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: of the plagiarism that is in King's speeches begins to 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: make sense when you understand the background of of his 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: advisers as ghostwriters and those who influenced him. 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Well chat I've got to ask you, why was he 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: the vessel then? I mean, obviously he delivered these speeches masterfully, 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: what a great orator. But you're saying they weren't even 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: his words, So how did they even identify him as 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: the right guy? 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: Well, the King family, I mean, if you look at 47 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: his father, who was affectionately, affectionately nicknamed Daddy King. From 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: a very early age, he says that he was a 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: proponent of the Social Gospel. And anybody who knows anything 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: about the Social Gospel understands that it's not the gospel 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: at all. It's what the Apostle Paul would have called 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: a counterfeit gospel. And in addition to that, the Apostle 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: Paul said, let anyone who preaches the counterfeit gospel, or 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: a gospel that's not what we preach to you, let 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: them be a cursed And so Daddy King, from a 56 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: very early age he was oponenter of the of the 57 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: Social Gospel. He say as much in his unpublished memoir. 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: He would frequent events and social gatherings that were put 59 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: on by an organization called the Southern Negro Youth Congress, 60 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: which was a Communist front group back in the nineteen 61 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: thirties and forties. And it was interesting because the Southern 62 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: Negro Youth Congress was a subsidiary of what was called 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: the National Negro Congress, which was the preeminent civil rights 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: movement of the nineteen thirties under FDR. The FDR and 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: the FEDS had an interest in using the civil rights 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: movement to further and to expand its own power and authority. 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: This has always been the intention of the civil rights movement, 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: dating as far back as the Reconstruction, to expand federal authority. 69 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: By the time you get into the thirties, FDR will 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: put forth the Commission which would become the National Negro Congress, 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: and the National Negro Congress was helped with the It 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: was started with the help of the Soviet Union, Joseph 73 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: Stalin himself, So he had and he had the communists 74 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: who had an interest in the civil rights movement, and 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: their goals were aligned, which were to centralized power, centralized authority, 76 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: to usurp it from the States because there was a 77 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: raging debate over federal authority versus States rights. And so 78 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: to answer your question, you know, King was kind of 79 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: born into this milieu, this kind of hegemony, if you will, 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: where there was already communist activity going on in Montgomery, 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: in Atlanta and Birmingham dating as far back as the 82 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: nineteen twenties, and so he kind of carried the baton, 83 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: if you will. I mean, when you even look at 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: his name, he wasn't born Martin Luther King. He was 85 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: born Michael King. His father's name was Michael King. After 86 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: taking a journey to Germany in the nineteen thirties late thirties, 87 00:04:54,440 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 2: I believe his father learned about the sixteenth century reformer 88 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: Martin Luther, and what he perceived Martin Luther to be 89 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: doing was, in a sense, wrestling away authority from the 90 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: Catholic Church and starting Protestantism. That's what King perceived Luther 91 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: to be doing. And he thought to himself, I can 92 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: actually do that in the United States, basically wrestle away authority, 93 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: wrestle away leadership from the religious order in America, and 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: use it to really advance the social Gospel. So he 95 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: would come back to the United States, change his name 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: to Martin Luther King Senior, and change his name his 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: son's name of Martin Luther King Junior. Because he saw 98 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: himself and his progeny as the kind of vehicle, if 99 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: you will, to usher in the social gospel, which is 100 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: rooted in Marxism. 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: Chadow Jackson is his name. Go to at Chadow Jackson 102 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: on all of the social media, Go follow what he does. 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: Go to Chadowjackson dot com and check out the MLK project. 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot there. Chat, there's a lot there. I 105 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: know a little bit about history. I know in the 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, Blackmericans were generally speaking Republican. They generally speaking 107 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: had the family unit, the Western family unit, like most 108 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: white people did. That didn't start being denigrated until the 109 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. But if you don't mind, just answer a 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: simple question for a guy who thought he knew something 111 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: about something until I started watching your stuff and you 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: made me think I don't know anything about anything. Why 113 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: why do this? How does it benefit black people in 114 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: America to do this, to separate them, to bring in 115 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: a communist influence. Was it about making things worse for 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: black Americans? Because the Civil Rights Acts of nineteen sixty four, 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: as you say very eloquently, didn't help blacks, actually hurt them. 118 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of what we've done since 119 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: then has hurt them as well. The family unit is 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: decimated in the black community now. And I saw a 121 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: video where you talked about the pride poor black people 122 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: had in the South had before they moved to the North. 123 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: And I want to get into all those things, but 124 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: can you answer the simple question why would they want 125 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to hurt the black community the way they did through 126 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: putting up leadership that really was steering them the wrong way? 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: Well, I'll try to answer it as simply as a 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: possible can. I can't help but to bring history into it. 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: But if you look at the Communist common Tern, the 130 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Second Congress common Tern, the Communist International, which was a 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: convention I guess you could call it that they would 132 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: have each year in Moscow, and I think it was 133 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty or nineteen twenty one. There was a white 134 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: journalist by the name of John Reid who was a delegate, 135 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: an American delegate to the Communist Party International, and they 136 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: were trying to figure out the best way to help 137 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: usher end Communism into the United States, and John Reid 138 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: believed that the way to do that was through the 139 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: American Negro and he was lamenting the fact that the 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: American Negro in the nineteen twenties or the late nineteen 141 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: tens going to the nineteen twenties were making their way 142 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: in America through capitalistic means that they were still putting 143 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: forth the efforts that men like Booker T. Washington put forth, 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: which is, if you want to be successful, the way 145 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: to do it is through conventional means, by hunting your craft, 146 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: by starting families, by starting businesses, by building homes. Black 147 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Americans by and large were doing this in the South. 148 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: This is well documented even by originally skeptical journalists of 149 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: black journalists by the name of George Schuyler, who was 150 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: a northern journalist who visited the South and saw all 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: these so called black wall streets all across the South 152 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: and would write about it regularly and the Pittsburgh Courier, 153 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: which was the publication he was writing for at the time. 154 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: And so as a result of John Reid's input that 155 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: the American Negro is our catalyst of ushering communism to 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: the United States, he said that we need to raise 157 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: the political consciousness of the American Negro, to turn them 158 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: against capitalism, to turn them against Western civilization innocence. And 159 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: so Vladimer Lyn and himself greenlit the utilization of any 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: means necessary to raise a political consciousness of the American 161 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: Negro And so as a result of this, over the 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: course of the nineteen twenties, you saw all these race 163 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: riots springing up seemingly out of nowhere. Nobody could figure 164 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: out what what the hidden hand was, what the communists 165 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: were doing, where they were purposely instigating turmoil and friction 166 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: between Southern Negroes and Southern whites, because the idea and 167 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: the objective was to destabilize the negro Because if I'm 168 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: Joe the shoe store owner, and I'm selling shoes to 169 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: my local townsmen and women, the local miners, and the 170 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: school teachers and the children, and there's a race riot 171 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: that springs up, and tomorrow I don't have a business 172 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: to go to because it's burned down. But then I 173 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: opened up my newspaper. I mean, you can look at 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: these articles that were written around this time. Tired of 175 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: racial discrimination, joined the IWW, which was the communist front group, 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: join this organization, and joined that organization. The idea was 177 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: to chase Negroes into the bosom of radical groups because 178 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,239 Speaker 2: they can sustain themselves through capitalistic means. That was the objective. 179 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: The second part of the objective was to cost so 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: much unrest, so much friction, so much turmoil, so much reactionaryism, 181 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: that it would make the states and the local communities 182 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: seem as though they were incapable of self governance, such 183 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 2: to where the public will cry out for a federal response, 184 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: and in so doing, here comes a big, bad federal 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: government passing legislation, expanding its power all the more at 186 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: the expense of the states, the local communities, and the 187 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: individuals and the families. 188 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: So there, chat, if you don't mind, let me stop 189 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: it there, because I mean, you're on a roll and 190 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: it's great, But I want to reiterate from my audience 191 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: and from my brain because I've born in nineteen sixty six. 192 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: I was brought up to believe the things that most 193 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: people in America believe, and you are shooting holes in 194 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: all of that. So just to reiterate, because I've seen 195 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: this on your videos, and if you don't want to 196 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: expand upon this, please do. There were complete enclaves of 197 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: black America that were doctors and dentists, and the shoemaker 198 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: has just said, and the whole infrastructure was there, it 199 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: was working, it had many black wall streets all over 200 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: the place, and Black Americans were succeeding. If I'm right. 201 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm right. The first female millionaire in this 202 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: country was a black woman. So I'm not sure I 203 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: understand why it worked. Why did it work that suddenly 204 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: some outside hand or maybe the federal government itself wanting 205 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: a more socialist society, but certainly motivated by the Soviet 206 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: Union in Lenin. Why did it work when they could 207 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: have said, wait, my life is pretty good. What are 208 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: you talking about. I don't want to join some weird 209 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: group that hates my country. Why was somebody able to 210 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: make the Black community victimized or victims when they weren't well. 211 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: What we're talking about when we talk about communism and 212 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Marxism and all these other isms, is a group of 213 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: people who've invested large portions of their lives and to 214 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: studying the soft sciences, the cognitive sciences, studying group behavior, 215 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to destabilize and how to 216 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: capitalize on the destabilization and the fodder and the friction 217 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: that comes out of that. And they were hell bent 218 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: on it. I mean, these are people who are basically 219 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: like honey badgers they're going to try to find a 220 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: way to get an inception, to get an endpoint, and 221 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: again it's through friction. It's what we call cultural Marxism. Marxism, 222 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: as you know, was popularized in the nineteenth century and 223 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: they were trying to get it to spread. Carl Marx 224 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: and Friedrick Engles were trying to get it to spread 225 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: across Europe, but they had a difficult time doing it 226 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: because of one man. And of course there's more to 227 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: the story, but if you follow the history, you'll see 228 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: that Carl Marx and Friedrich Ingles were contemporaries of not 229 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: only Charles Darwin, who you know they all lived in 230 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: London at the same time, but also Charles Spurgeon. So 231 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: while Darwin was writing on the Origin of Species, and 232 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: while Marxian Ingles were writing the Communist Manifesto, here was 233 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: Charles Spurgeon at the Metropolitan Taberna and London preaching the gospel, 234 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: and a lot of the urban poor were flocking to 235 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: hear the gospel. And this disappointed for Drick Engels and 236 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: Carl Marx that they weren't able to galvanize the working poor, 237 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: the urban poor to the extent that they wanted to. 238 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: And so by the time you get to the end 239 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: of the nineteenth century, you get people like Walter Rossi 240 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: and Bush who figured out that the way to jump 241 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: this hurdle, this gospel hurdle, is to subvert it, and 242 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: that's where you get the social Gospel. And so again 243 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: you have this kind of trial and error and certain 244 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: successes that comes out of trying to figure out just 245 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: how to destabilize a Negro. And I can't really give 246 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: you an answer, and you know, one little quick second 247 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: only to say that there were incremental kind of inroads 248 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: that were taken, but it wouldn't really come to a 249 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: climactic point until the nineteen fifties and six under the 250 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: behest of such leaders as Martin Luther King and his contingent. 251 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: Because I mean again, Marxism, communism, this is something that 252 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: blocks were flocking to in small numbers since the nineteen twenties. 253 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: But what they figured out is if they really want 254 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: to push their agenda forward, you can't call it communism, 255 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: you can't call it Marxism, especially at the heart of 256 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: the Cold War. You have to do it through clandestine 257 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: and subversive means. And they figured out that, you know, 258 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: through a man who's well polished, a Southern Negro minister, 259 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: a great Ora tour, And there's a lot of redeeming 260 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: qualities about King, to be sure. But it's through that 261 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: mechanism that we can in a sense push Americans, not 262 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: just Black Americans, but Americans in general, neutralize them, cause 263 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: them to let down their guard and being more open 264 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: to socialist type policies which will incrementally become communist policies. 265 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: That was the agenda. 266 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: It's Chado Jackson. Go to Chadowjackson dot com check out 267 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: his docum series The MLK Project Motives Unmasked. You mentioned 268 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: something there about there are some redeeming qualities about Martin 269 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: Luther King Junior. Obviously great Order certainly was able to 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: grab a crowd and hold them for as long as 271 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: he wanted them. Why was he, though the individual, okay 272 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: with being the vessel. Why was he okay with using 273 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: the gospel and making its social gospel and then and 274 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: then basically pushing an entire race of people in America 275 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: to become reliant on the central government that doesn't even 276 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: like them. It doesn't make sense to me because the 277 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: black community, i think is more socialized in this country 278 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: than any other community, because there are so many people 279 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: reliant on the government dole and the government controls everything 280 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: they do, where they work, how much money they have, 281 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: how many kids they have, how much food they eat, 282 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: where you know, where they live, whether they have heat 283 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: or internet. It doesn't make any sense to me. So 284 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: why was he okay with leading that his own race, 285 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: his own people, so to say down that path? Or 286 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: was he not smart enough to know what was happening. 287 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: He was definitely smart enough to know what was happening. 288 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right. I mean, according to a twenty 289 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: nineteen Cato Institute study, over sixty percent of blacks in 290 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: America have a more favorable view of socialism than a 291 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: free market enterprise. No other ethnic group has a higher 292 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: view of socialism except for blacks. And that's according to 293 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: that twenty nineteen Ko Institute study. To answer your question, 294 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: which is a fantastic question, the reason King was so 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: impressionable to Marxist ideology is that he rejected the Gospel 296 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: from a very early age. I mean, he writes in 297 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: his papers that I have all the volumes of his 298 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: papers here in my studio, but you know he writes 299 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 2: that by the age of twelve. He rejected the resurrection 300 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: of Christ. He rejected the deity of Christ. He said 301 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: that he shocked his Sunday school class at the age 302 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: of thirteen by rejecting the resurrection. He wrote also that 303 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: he rejected the literal existence of Hell. He rejected the 304 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: virgin birth, he rejected the fundamental tenets of Christianity. And 305 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: he thought that he was actually small harder than his 306 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: Sunday school teachers, who he said were in the fundamentalist 307 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: line of the faith. He actually didn't want to become 308 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: a pastor. He wanted to become a lawyer or a doctor, 309 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: but he was talked into becoming a pastor, uh in 310 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: order to advocate and to further the so called social gospel. Because, 311 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you read his college papers, 312 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: you really get a sense of the fact that he 313 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: genuinely believed in Marxist Marxist ideology, and he was a 314 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: he called himself a Hegelian. He subscribed to the Hegelian dialectic. 315 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: He believed that that was a tactical way to really 316 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: spread Marxism amongst blacks, uh in in America at large. 317 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: When asked, you know, why was it so easy for 318 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: you to to get a foot hold in the black community. 319 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: By a reporter, King said, because you know, Black Southerners 320 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: by and large go to church. So he had a 321 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: captive audience as far as as Black Southerners were concerned. 322 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: But he was preaching. I mean, if you look at 323 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: his Easter sermon, he preached an Easter sermon where he's 324 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: basically casting doubt in the resurrection of Jesus. So he 325 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: would he would do a lot of precautionary things that 326 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: are fitting for a pastor in terms of conducting a sermon, 327 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: but he would never call people to repentance. He will 328 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: never call people to turn their lives around and to 329 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: turn to Christ. He was instead infusing a liberal political 330 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: ideology in his sermons, much the same as people like 331 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: Jamal Bryant today or Raphael Warnock today using the polpit 332 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: as a kind of prop to clandestinely and subversively push 333 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: an agenda that he genuinely believed in. He was a 334 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: genuine believer in Marxist ideology, and he was deceptive in 335 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: how he spread it under the guise of a Christian pastor. 336 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: I was today years old when I found out that 337 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: doctor brought Luther King Junior, the reverend that were all 338 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: told to hold up on high didn't believe in the resurrection. 339 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: He didn't believe in the existence of Hell. I had 340 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: no idea. So why were they so successful and tricking 341 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: people like me? Because my next question down the line 342 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: here is going to be why do you know all this? 343 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: And why did you look into it? Why didn't you 344 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: believe the colloquial story? But what are they gained by 345 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: having both sides fighting over the memory of doctor King today? 346 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: And why does a Raphael Warnock, who thinks he's King, 347 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: you know two point zero probably in his own mind? 348 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: Why does he want to continue to keep black people 349 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: in the box that they're in. Why not get back 350 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: to where black people can flourish alongside everybody else and 351 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: enjoy capitalism because it's the best way of life, because 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: socialism has never worked in a successful way. Do they 353 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: want black people to continue killing each other in the 354 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: streets of Chicago? Do they want black people to continue 355 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: being under the thumb? If so, what do they gain? 356 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: Does a Warnock get more power out of that? There's 357 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot there. Chat I get it, but I'm going 358 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm learning from you right now even more that I've 359 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: seen from your short videos, and I love it that 360 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: we're having this conversation. But what do the contemporary the 361 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: modern black leaders, and I'm putting that in air coach 362 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: for those who are listening on the radio, what do 363 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: they gain just their own power, their own control? What 364 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: is it? 365 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: No, that's absolutely what it's for. It's for power. It's 366 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: the same reason why Satan was cast out of heaven. 367 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: And I don't want to isolate the civil rights movement 368 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: as being solely responsible for a lot of the disabilization 369 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: that we've seen over the course of the last half 370 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: century or more. I mean, when you look at a 371 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 2: lot of these social justice movements that were going on 372 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: around that time, the nineteen sixties going into the seventies, 373 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: whether it's second wave feminism, whether it's gay liberation which 374 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: would later become the LGBT movement, or whether it's the 375 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: hippie movement or the free love movement. I call it 376 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: the era of indulgence. We began to have less children, 377 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: not just blacks, but also whites and other ethnic groups 378 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: as well. We began to turn our focus inward. We 379 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: became a more self centered people. This is a result 380 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: of a lot of the distabilization that came to us 381 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: by way of the social justice movements. This was talked 382 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: about by Yury Besmanov in a famous nineteen eighty four 383 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: interview with one G. Edward Griffin where he talked about 384 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: ideological subversion and how they were intentionally trying to set 385 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: the baby boomers against the adult society of their day. 386 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: You saw it in publications like Mad Magazine, You saw 387 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: it in a lot of film and entertainment that was 388 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: coming out at the time. And basically, when you look 389 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: at I'm going to try to answer your question this way, 390 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: when you look at the Civil Rights movement, and then 391 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: you look at the next phase which came immediately after 392 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: after the assassination of King, which was the Black Power movement, 393 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: which was more militant, which was more in your face, 394 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: which was you know, gun toting, and you know Honky 395 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: this and Whitey that. When you look at when you 396 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: look at those two organizations, the Civil Rights movement and 397 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: the Black Power movement, one looks relatively conservative or moderate 398 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: and the other looks militant and very far left. But 399 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: the reality is both of these organizations are funded by 400 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: the same people, and not only that they have the 401 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: same ideological undergird The idea behind the Black Power movement 402 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: was to make the civil rights movement look more stomachable, 403 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: look more tolerable, so on and so forth, to where 404 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: by the time King is assassinated and the propaganda campaign 405 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: unleashes a lot of Americans who were none the wiser 406 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: began to look at the civil rights movement as more sanitized, 407 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: as more you know, this is something you know, we 408 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: should do it that way. That's that's real liberalism, that's 409 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: real progress. What King was doing was was was genuine 410 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: and affectionate, whereas what these other guys are doing, they 411 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: want to tear America down. And so it was. It 412 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: was kind of a bait and switch kind of situation. 413 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because in the aftermath of King's assassination, 414 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 2: we now have the MLK federal Holiday, we have you know, 415 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: the forty foot statue erected in his honor there and 416 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: Watchington d C. And anytime a politician, be he right 417 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: or left, wants to push some socialist type, you know, 418 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: policy in Congress, they invoke the name of Martin Luther 419 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: King Junior, so as to signal, you know, King would 420 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: want this, this is something that King would want, and 421 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: that is meant to destabilize and to neutralize the public, 422 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: and to be embracing and accepting of this policy which 423 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: is pushing us further and further and further away from 424 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: true Western values, from true Christian values. Quite frankly, the 425 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: idea is once again like it's a very gradual thing. 426 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: And I'll say this real quick. I know I've been 427 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: rambling on for a while ago, but when you look 428 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: at the Communist manifesto, Carl Marx ends it by saying, 429 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, workers of the world unite. What he's invoking 430 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: is this sudden uprising, this sudden revolution where the workers 431 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: across the world, you know, uniting against the bourgeoisie, where 432 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: the proletariat is is coming up against the bourgeoisie. This 433 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: was attractive to some people, but not all when it 434 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: came to a lot of the European elitists who believed 435 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: in what Marx was trying to do but disagreed with 436 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: the tactics that he wanted to use to pull it off. 437 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: They they didn't like the whole idea of a sudden uprising, 438 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: a sudden revolution, because they understood that a large portion 439 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: of society will resist it because they're used to a 440 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: certain status quo and a certain way of doing things. 441 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: And so for a group of radicals to, you know, 442 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: suddenly rise up, you'll have this war in the streets, 443 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: you'll have this friction. And so what these European elitists 444 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: decided to do was to start something called the Fabian 445 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: society that had a lot of the same views, shared 446 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: a lot of same views with the Marxists. They just 447 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: disagreed with the tactics, and they believe that the way 448 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: the proper way to cause a revolution is through a 449 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: slow burn, a slow march through the institutions, where they 450 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: were patient enough to say, look, we might not enjoy 451 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: the fruits of our labor, but our children's children's children will. 452 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: And so they envision a slow, gradual, long marshal the institutions, 453 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: little by little, bit by bit, passing this policy, then 454 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: passing that policy, then passing this policy on and into 455 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: the future. So when you look at a lot of 456 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 2: what the civil rights movement was doing, it was an 457 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: incremental step into a Soviet direction. You look at the 458 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four, for example, which 459 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: is you know, not which is naively praised today. What 460 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: did it do? It gave the federal government more of 461 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: a foothold into the way that businesses are run. Small 462 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: businesses are run. This isn't keeping with the Marxist strategy 463 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: of the government controlling the means of production. So, you 464 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: know a lot of these things that we celebrate and 465 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: that we as conservatives say, Okay, we're okay with that. 466 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: We'll tolerate that because we don't want to be racist, 467 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: or we don't want to be Uncle Tom's or whatever 468 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: the case may be, to the extent that we embrace 469 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: these things instead of standing on our values, to the 470 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: extent that we plead guilty to the charges that are 471 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: lobbed against us by these radicals, where we're giving them 472 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: an inch and then they take the mile. And that's 473 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: what we're experiencing here now. 474 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: Chadow Jackson go to Chadojackson dot com. He's an independent filmmaker. 475 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: Go check out his docu series The MLK Project Motives Unmasked. 476 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: Did the BLM group, the actual organization called Black Lives Matter, 477 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: did that rip the band aid off of this and 478 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: expose a lot of it. And here's what I mean. 479 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: They took down this part of their website after people 480 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: like me started exposing it, it said that they're in 481 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: their charter they were looking to disrupt the Western nuclear family. 482 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: It's not really a black organization at all. It's an 483 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: lgbtq XYZ organization. It's an organization that enriched a few 484 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: top people in the organization who happened to be gay, 485 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: to buy themselves a bunch of engines all over the place. 486 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't about saving anybody's life or making anybody's life better. 487 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: They just saw an opportunity, one would imagine because of 488 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: George Floyd and that situation. Was that part of what 489 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: made you sort of on steroids, really look into what's 490 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: going on? Or did this start a long time ago 491 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: for you? So let's start with the first question. Did 492 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: BLM wake a lot of us up to go? 493 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: Hold on? 494 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: This isn't about black lives at all. This is about control, 495 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: This is about pushing an agenda. This is about the 496 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: EI EESG, this is about LGBT. Did that wake a 497 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: lot of us up? It did? 498 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: Me? Yeah, we it woke a lot of people up, 499 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: that's to be certain, And make no mistake about it. 500 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: I think you're hitting them now, right on the head 501 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: that the Black Lives Matter is not a deviation. It's 502 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: not a distinction from the civil rights movement, or the 503 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: black militant movement in the seventies, or the black intellectual 504 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: movement or the black hip hop movement, which you know, 505 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 2: all of these are heading in the same direction. They're 506 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: not contradictions of each other or distinctions from one another. 507 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: They are all kind of a caring of the baton 508 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: on and into the future. So the problem with Black 509 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: Lives Matter is they kind of got a little ahead 510 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: of their skis. They grew more impatient, and so doing 511 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: they were able to kind of pull back the curtain, 512 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: so to speak. That did wake a lot of people up. 513 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: For me, I used to be a fan of King. 514 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: I used to be an admirer of him until around 515 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight or nine when I heard the 516 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: late pastor Vide Bacam say that King was a socialist, 517 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: which rocked my world. What are you talking about King 518 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: as a socialist? And of course Villia Bakam at the 519 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: time with somebody whom I admired, someone who I gleaned 520 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: a lot from in terms of learning about the scriptures. 521 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: So to hear him say he was a socialist. I 522 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: had no reason not to believe him other than the 523 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: fact that I was trained and conditioned to believe that 524 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: he was an American hero. 525 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: As it were, to that point, I want you to 526 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: continue it to that point. Those hit listening need to understand, 527 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm a conservative guy. I've been co opting King forever. 528 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: I thought he was a conservative guy that people in 529 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party have been co opting him forever. He 530 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: was a Democrat, and he was a liberal, and he 531 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: was at this end to that, Like you said earlier, 532 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: we've all figured out a way to take what he 533 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: said and did and fit our agenda. I wanted to 534 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: be more like King. So when you hear this, when 535 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: you hear the pastors say it, you say, wait a second, 536 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: that's my hero. What are you talking about? And what 537 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: would he say that made you say let me do 538 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: more research. Was it just the fact that he was 539 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: of authority and you said, well, I might as well 540 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: just not tell him he's wrong. Let me go figure 541 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: out why I think he's wrong. 542 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: That was That's exactly it. I mean, Because again, while 543 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: I was conditioned and trained to believe I mean, we 544 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: grew up listening to that I have a dream speech 545 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: every year. Yes I'm Martin Luther King Day and during 546 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: during Black History Month. Growing up in Mansfield, Texas, it 547 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: was just something that you didn't question. And so for 548 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: me doctor Vodie Bacham, who again earned my respect early 549 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: on just with his with his handling of the scriptures. 550 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: For someone like me who grew up in a church 551 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: where it was not exactly doctrinally sound to become a 552 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: you know, a late teenager, and to come across doctor 553 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: Vodibackam sermons, here was somebody who was different, and he 554 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: earned my respect really quickly. So for him to say 555 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: doctor King was a socialist, again, that that caused me 556 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: a kind of cognitive dissonance because how how could you 557 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: say such such a thing? You know, King is an 558 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: American hero, and I wanted to look into it to 559 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: just see if there was any truth to what Vodi 560 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: Bakam was saying, and he was absolutely one correct. In fact, 561 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: I would later get to meet doctor Vodi Bacham and 562 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: we became good friends, and he was in a film 563 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: that I produced back in twenty twenty two. And yeah, 564 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: it's it's it's something that I there's not any degree 565 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: of pride in revealing this information. It's actually quite disappointing, 566 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: but the reality of it is King wasn't the first 567 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: to do the kind of Trojan horse thing that he did, 568 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: will nor will he be the last. There's other demogogues 569 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: among us, and there will continue to be demogogues among us. 570 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: The purpose of doing a film like the MLK Project 571 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: is to show what this trojan horse look like, what 572 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: the purpose of the Trojan horse was, in order that 573 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: we might be equipped to not be so gullible and 574 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: so credulous and susceptible to that kind of demagoguery. Again, 575 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: we have to become principled, especially as conservatives on Christians, 576 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: understanding what it takes and what it means to preserve 577 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Western civilization. And we have to be able to distinguish 578 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: when someone is saying something and they're in a position 579 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: of leadership and authority that is actually antithetical to those 580 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: Western values. And we can defend those values without necessarily 581 00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: being you know, without being annoying out it, or without 582 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, without giving. 583 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoying about it, or let's be honest, 584 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: when I defend the Western values, I'm kind annoying about him. No, 585 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: but I get what you're laying down. Let me let 586 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: me ask you this, because I obviously MLK was very 587 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: successful and very good at what he was doing, extremely 588 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: whether it was his words or not. Boy, he could 589 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: sell him and may he again all sides wanted to 590 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: he's ours. We're all claiming him, we have for a 591 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: long time. Why did he become expend Why did he 592 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: become expendable? I mean, obviously you would have to think 593 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: there was a socialist faction in the deep state, alphabet 594 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: agencies whatever in this country that were really cool with 595 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: what he was doing because he was getting to the 596 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: end goal. So why was he expendable? Why was he killed? 597 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: Well, the problem with King is that as great of 598 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: an orator as he was, as great as at memorizing 599 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: speeches as he was, when you look at Stale Levison, 600 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: who was his handler, his speech writer, his pr person 601 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, Stanle Levison was the one 602 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: who organized the press, you know, interactions with King, the 603 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: interviews that he would do with certain publications and journalists 604 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: who basically were the ones who make King look larger 605 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: than life. Because a lot of people don't realize that 606 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: King actually was not that popular in his day. 607 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: Really. 608 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: I think by the time he died his approval rating 609 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: was around thirty percent. I mean, Jager Hoover had a 610 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: significantly higher approval rating than did King. But you know, 611 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: we live in a time now where the tables have turned. 612 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: There was a there was a black minister by the 613 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 2: name of Joseph H. Jackson who was far more popular 614 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: than King. And when you look at Joseph H. Jackson, 615 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: he was he was among that kind of booker Y 616 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: Washington tradition. For example, there was a time where black 617 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: sharecroppers were being kind of cheated out of their wages 618 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: and white share croppers were two for that matter. But 619 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: you know, rather than protesting the government or picking up 620 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: picket signs, Joseph H. Jackson bought four hundred acres of 621 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: land in Tennessee and allowed the sharecroppers to work the 622 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: land rent free and so long as they were saving 623 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: their money to buy their own land, to become farmer, 624 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: to move from sharecroppers to farmers. These are the kind 625 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 2: of things that Joseph Jackson did. Jackson was a president 626 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 2: of the National Baptist Convention, which boasted around five million 627 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: Negro churchgoers under the umbrella of the National Baptist Convention 628 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 2: was of course Dexter Avenue Baptist Church, which King preached at, 629 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: and Ebudezer Baptist Church, which his father preached at. King 630 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: and his contingent wanted to remove Jackson from his post 631 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: as president, so they came up with this scheme where 632 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: they would elect Gardner C. Taylor, who was a seasoned 633 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: veteran in the National Baptist Convention who was also a 634 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: proponent of the Social Gospel. So they tried. They tried 635 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: to run him, and he was overwhelmingly rejected in favor 636 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: of Jackson, and his contingent demanded a roll call. They 637 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: rushed the stage and in this kerfuffle, a minister was 638 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: pushed off the stage, cracked his head and died. As 639 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: a result of this, King and his friends were kicked 640 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: out of the National Baptist Convention, and the following year 641 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: they started what was called the Progressive National Baptist Convention 642 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: King and his friends and so this kind of gives 643 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: you insight into who King really was. He wasn't this 644 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: non violent figure that we are made to believe he was. 645 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: And the reason I bring that up is because you 646 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 2: know again, that just gives you also insight into how 647 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 2: unpopular King was. He was made popular by the press, 648 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: who many of whom were fellow travelers, many of whom 649 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: believed in this kind of liberal interpretation of the Constitution, 650 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: this liberal interpretation of America. And so they had a 651 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: vested interest in making King larger than life, making him 652 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 2: look like there was no rivals to him or whatever. 653 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: And not only that he was able to get into 654 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: the White House and to have meetings with Kennedy and 655 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: then subsequently with LBJ. The problem is that King was 656 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: living a double life. He was having extra marital affairs. 657 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: He was participating in orgies and drinking and things of 658 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: this nature. And the Feds were afraid that if the 659 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: public found out about that, it would embarrass the Kennedy administration. 660 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: It would embarrass the White House, because the White House 661 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 2: had an interest in passing this legislation to expand executive 662 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 2: and federal authority. Right and so there were internal memos 663 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: in the FBI, And what you get from these internal memos, 664 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: which are now available today, is that the Feds wanted 665 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 2: the civil rights movement to exist. There's a lot of 666 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: podcasters and a lot of people who don't know what 667 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: the heck they're talking about, saying, oh, the FBI was 668 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 2: against the civil rights movement. No, they wanted the civil 669 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: rights movement to exist. They just didn't want King at 670 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: the head of it because they were afraid that he 671 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: was a liability to the movement, so they ruin it. 672 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: He would stop it. I mean if they found if 673 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: people found out he wasn't who he said he was, 674 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: it would be over. Well, why would we were following 675 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: this false to this for this false tidle. It's Chad 676 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: O Jackson chadowm almost out of time. But there are 677 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: two things. I want to get to you, or get 678 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: two with you before I let you go. And you 679 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: got to promise she'll come back on because we just 680 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: scratched the surface here. The docum series is called MLK 681 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: Project Motives on maask go to Chadojackson dot com. Follow 682 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: him at Chado Jackson Everywhere. Two things. One, I'm very 683 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: good friends with doctor Carol Imswain. I think she's amazing. 684 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: But on I show a million times we met in 685 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: person tomorrow ago. She's just a lovely lady. She wasn't 686 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: having you, she was she wasn't putting up with it, 687 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: and you convinced her, and that's one of the smartest 688 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: people I know. What was it that made her go, 689 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 1: wait a second, maybe he's onto something, Because again, she's 690 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: very contemplative, she's very smart, she does her work, she's 691 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: an incredible author. So I know that once she heard 692 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: the facts. But what what helped you break through that 693 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: first initial push where she said, this guy is out 694 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: of his mind? 695 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 2: Now just consistency. Quite frankly, this is a drum that 696 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: I kept beating, and Caroly and I had talks early 697 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 2: on when I was first revealing these information, this information, 698 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: of these facts. 699 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: And right she was telling you, you're not right about this. 700 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: Well partly, the other part of it was that you know, 701 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: a lot of these things are known, but it doesn't 702 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 2: make sense to dethrone King, to remove him from his pedestal, 703 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 2: because he's the only figure that can bring the right 704 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: and the left together, to which I responded, you know, 705 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to come together with the left on 706 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 2: false pretenses, on a lie, quite frankly, because to the 707 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: extent that you do that, I mean, ironically, King himself 708 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: said a lie can't live forever. To the extent that 709 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 2: we build build coalition on false pretexts, on false premises, 710 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 2: that foundation will soon crumble. And for me, like my 711 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 2: slogan has worship God, not man, I'm not going to 712 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: put any man on a on a pedestal at all, right, 713 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm for the truth. And so, you know, 714 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 2: Carol Swain eventually came on and she's invited me to 715 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 2: speak at some of her events that her nonprofit have 716 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: put off, and in fact, she invited me to to 717 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 2: be a guest of hers, to share the stage with 718 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 2: her next month when she speaks at the University of Dallas. 719 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: So so Carol's a good friend and she she's she 720 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 2: showed me just in her you know, extending the olive 721 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: oil or the olive branch and inviting me to these 722 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 2: events with her. She showed me that she's someone who 723 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: genuinely is interested in truth and not just placating and 724 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: putting on a front. 725 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: Chad, did you say olive oil because I'm Italian? Is 726 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: that what that was? Just Just just check him. I'm 727 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: in all right, let let's let's finish with this. As 728 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm watching this unfold, I saw a bunch of your 729 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: videos which made me say to my bookers. We got 730 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: to get Shadow Jackson on and I'm so glad that 731 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: we spent the time. You tell a story, and maybe 732 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: we'll save this for next time. Just give me a 733 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: if you don't mind, just giving the cliff notes of 734 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: black Americans in the South who were poor, who still 735 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: were so pride filled. Still, if they had a rip 736 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: in their pants, they put a perfect patch on the row. 737 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: She couldn't go. Things were clean, you smelled good, you 738 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: look good, You took care of yourself. Your home was 739 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: perfectly quap, no matter or not not quap, but perfectly maintained, 740 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: no matter how much money you did or didn't have. 741 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: There was a real sense of pride. And once they 742 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: started migrating north to places like Chicago, that was almost 743 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: beaten out of them. 744 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: Why yeah, I mean it's a Southern pride that existed 745 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: not only amongst blacks, but also amongst whites as well. 746 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a teacher. I mean she's no longer 747 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: with us today, she passed away, But her name was 748 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: Marbara Collins, and she actually tells the story in her 749 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 2: book called the Marble Collins Way, where in Mississippi she 750 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 2: grew up in poverty. But you know, people didn't people 751 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: didn't complain about being poor, they didn't feel sorry for themselves. 752 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: They still took care of what little they had. And 753 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 2: then there was a mindset shift that she recognized in 754 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 2: Chicago where people kind of wore their poor, their their 755 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 2: poverty kind of on their sleeve. And I think it 756 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 2: flies in the face of a lot of the sociologists 757 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 2: today who believe that poverty breeds crimes like no culture, 758 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 2: culture breeds crime, not poverty. 759 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: There. 760 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 2: I mean, there's poor people all over this kind, all 761 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 2: over this world who aren't committing the kinds of crimes 762 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: that you see in some of these democrat major cities 763 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: that are implementing the very socialist policies that we're talking 764 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 2: about here. So we can see the logical conclusion of 765 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 2: the kind of policies that people like King were advocating for. 766 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 2: It doesn't end. 767 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: Well, what was it was the difference, Chad again, we'll 768 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: we'll pick this up next time. Was the difference the 769 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: fact that the government said, you don't have to have 770 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: pride and take care of everything, will take care of 771 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: everything for you. And that's where it ended. 772 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 2: Yes, that's the end. Again, it's indicative of this of 773 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: the civil rights kind of mindset shift where we move 774 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 2: from being a trying race to a crying race. Again, 775 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 2: the difference in a large, major city is you have 776 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 2: all of these politicians who are grand standing, who are 777 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 2: putting forth all these policies, are getting all this money, 778 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 2: whereas in a rural southern town where people are kind 779 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 2: of left to their own ways of moving forward, you 780 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 2: can see a distinctive cultural difference between the two. And 781 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 2: so again that's well documented, and you say, next time 782 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: we'll be able to flush the story out more. But 783 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: as as for now, I do recommend people go and 784 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 2: read Marvel Collins's book Marvel Collins Way to learn more 785 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 2: about that. 786 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: Go and get it. Go check out his movie The 787 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: MLK Project Motives Unmasked. Go to Chadojackson dot com and 788 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: follow chat everywhere. Man, just a great conversation. I could 789 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: talk to you for the next three hours. Let's do 790 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: this again very soon. Okay, let's do it. Really appreciate you. 791 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: That's it for Unshaking and Unafraid with Joe PAGs this 792 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: time another one to drop very soon. 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