1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hillsdale at Hillsdale dot edu or I encourage you to 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: take advantage of the many free online courses there, and 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: of course I'll listen to the Hillsdale dialogues, all of 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: them at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just google, Apple, 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Well. 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: That bumper music could not be more app I am 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: guest host Kurt Schlicker, sitting in for the great Hugh Hewitt. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: That bumper music is, of course, the theme to the 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: film Exodus, about a bunch of tough Jews who built 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 3: a country and save to people. My next guest is 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: Eli Lake. You know him as a Free Press contributor. 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: You can follow him at at Eli Lake and he's 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: also the author of the Breaking History podcast. Eli. Welcome 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: to the hu Hewitt Show. 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 4: Oh Kurt, it's great to be here at Happy Holidays, 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: Merry Christmas and early happy New Year. 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much much. I appreciate it, and 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: I also appreciate what you do on Breaking History because 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: I just listened to your latest episode, Tough Jews, and 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 3: it gave me something I love, which is a chance 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: to learn some history I didn't learn. Tell me a 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 3: little about meyer Lansky's contribution to punching Nazis. 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 4: Well, I would say he's the pioneer of punching Nazis 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: because in the nineteen thirties meyer Lansky, at least according 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: to meyer Lansky, we should say the historical records of 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: its body, was approached by two very prominent leaders in 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 4: the Jewish community at the time, Rabbi Stephen Wise and 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: Nathan Perlman, a Republican congressman and judge, and was basically 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: asked to say, listen, the American Bund, which is the 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 4: main Nazi movement, is expanding. They are making a play 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: to try to win hearts and minds. They're intimidating Jews, 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 4: and we would like you to gather some of your 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: tough guys and do what you do best and beat 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: him up. And that's what he did. And it wasn't 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: just lands gae sets say. I mean, the history is 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: really interesting because what I didn't realize that well, let 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: me put it this, I didn't really know it in 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: the detail until I did the research. The Jewish organized 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: criminal class was not only worked with the Italians, and 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: we know them as the mafia, but they were in 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: this period probably as powerful as the Italian Mob. And 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: what it was was an effort to try to say, 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: looking at Europe and the idea that you know, the 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: fascists in Italy and Germany were not legitimate political ideologies 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: that could coexist in a liberal democracy. Sometimes you have to, 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: as I say in the in the in the podcast, 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: it takes a thug to beat a thug. And that 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: is what happened. And so you know, there's the big 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 4: showdown occurred in what is today the Upper East Side 52 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: was then known as Yorkville, and there was Hitler's birthday. 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: There was a big rally and Lansky had a couple 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: guys infiltrating and a cother couple guys at the exits, 55 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 4: and he caused the commotion and a lot of Brown 56 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: Shirts ended up having a pretty bad day. 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: Well, you had kind of a throwaway line in your 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: Breaking History podcast. The Italian Mob, who are famous if 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: you've watched The Godfather, you know, not great guys, but 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: famously Catholic. They came to Lansky and said, hey, we want. 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: To help, and Lansky said, no, it's something the Jews 62 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: have to take care of. Themselves. Lansky is a very 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: proud guy when it comes to this stuff. We should 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: also say this is a part of this history is 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: also that once America enters World War Two, Lanski and 66 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: Lucky Luciani, who basically creates the Five Families, and you know, 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: kind of is the modern version of the Mob. Although 68 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: it's hard to say that the Mafi exists like that, 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: it really doesn't. But they were approached by the FBI 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: and they were enlisted to basically use their network to 71 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: help keep Nazi infiltrators and Nazi and out of the 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: ports in New York and the Eastern seaboards. So that's 73 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: another part of that story. So you know, in a 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 4: situation like World War Two, when you're facing the Nazis, 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 4: even America's organized criminals, who of course were in their 76 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: own war against the US government and the law at 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: the time, but they were willing to cooperate in a 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 4: moment like that, much the same way, you might add 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: the way that you know, the United Kingdom and the 80 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: United States had to had cooperated with Joseph Stalin, who 81 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: was obviously one of the great villains of history. 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: Well, Eli, like you and your podcast, you begin it 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: talking about Bondai Beach, and you know, it was evident 84 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: that no one's coming to rescue you early on, and 85 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: you close talking about Bondai Beach to reemphasize that, and 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: you say, you know, I hope the next time they 87 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 3: the haters come shooting, I hope they meet some Jews 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: who are packing. 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: Tell me like that. 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: That's kind of a you know, there is an impression 91 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: of Jewish Americans is very, very liberal. My personal experience 92 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: is a little different, but people have that impression and 93 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: the idea of Jews carrying guns in America. And we're 94 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: going to talk a little more about with Saul Litvak, 95 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: who directed a movie called Guns and Moses later in 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: the show. But that seems a little unusual. Are Jewish 97 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: Americans starting to say, wait a minute, we were on first, 98 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: we got their first responders. 99 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, Australia, as you know, confiscated 100 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: its fire arm, yes, nearly thirty years ago after a 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: mass shooting. And I mean, I still would like to 102 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: find out how this father and son Syrian refugees managed 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: to get special dispensation to own long guns. I'd really 104 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: like to know the answer to that. How did that 105 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 4: happen because apparently they were licensed. But in America, I 106 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: am hearing anecdotally and I didn't put it in because 107 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: it's not you know, I don't have statistics on it. 108 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: I'm hearing anecdotally a number of Jews who have applied 109 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 4: for firearms permits for the first time, and I have 110 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 4: to say that I don't think it should take it 111 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: to eleven. I think that there are I wouldn't recommend 112 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: at this point, you know, recreating America Hanna's Jewish Defense League. 113 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: They did things that were clearly over the line, entirely illegal. 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 4: But if there are these new groups, and the Hebrew 115 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: word is cho mariem it means guardians, and they're like 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 4: young guys largely who organize. Sometimes they coordinate with a 117 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 4: local police, but they're like a self defense group. If 118 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 4: you're gonna even if it's not a lethal encounter, if 119 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: you have these examples that we saw about four or 120 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 4: five weeks ago in the Upper East Side at Park 121 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: East Synagogue, they were swarmed. They were mobbed by a 122 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: bunch of Palestine Solidarity activists who falsely claimed there was 123 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: a Palestine land sale involved in the synagogue. If you're 124 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: going to target synagogues and you're going to make it 125 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: impossible for Jews to worship when they want to worship 126 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 4: at their temple, Well, then there ought to be people 127 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: not starting a fight. I'm not talking about vigilantism. I'm 128 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: saying just a cordon, a physical cordon that says no 129 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: make way. These people are here. You know, we're not 130 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: going to be part of your Instagram. You know, protest 131 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: here and get out of here. And I actually think 132 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: if you send the right message, because the end result 133 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: was the American bund didn't take off. After Lanski sent 134 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: his guys to break up those meetings, they learned that 135 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: there were that the Jews, at least in America, were 136 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: not going to be easy targets. And I think that 137 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: when you're dealing with a threat like that, when you're 138 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: dealing with pure hatred, that that is a different matter 139 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: than like trying to win an argument. I'm a great 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: believer in civil society, as you are as well, but 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: you have some experience in the military, and when you 142 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: are looking evil in the face, whether it's an American 143 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: Nazi or it's somebody who is motivated by the kind 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: of absolutely extreme Jihattist ideology that says that Israel shouldn't 145 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: exist at a certain point. You know, you have to 146 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 4: certify fire with fire. 147 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 6: That's my view. 148 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: Elilaka the Free Press. Go listen to his Breaking History podcast, 149 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: particularly the last one. They're all good, but this last 150 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: one was fascinating. I had no idea about any of 151 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: this history. Thank you Eli Lake for joining us on 152 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guess host Kurt Schlichter, We're 153 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: going to be right back with a lot more. 154 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 5: To come, Sail of Seventh Seed. 155 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: With Oh boy, Kirk Schwier is back. Look, I was 156 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: an Army colonel, but I'm the green sheep of the family. 157 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: My entire family was US Navy. I'm being joined by 158 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: John Conrad, who has qualified to talk about some of 159 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 3: his Navy stuff, but he was from what a professional 160 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: would tell you maybe the most important component of American seapower, 161 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: the United States Merchant Marine. Because John, I'm gonna throw 162 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: you a softball. Professionals talk operations. I'm sorry, amateur's talk operations. 163 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: What did professionals talk? 164 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: Logistics? 165 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 7: Always logistics? 166 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Card Oh, you're the best. You have been a huge 167 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: voice out there, particularly in the last few days since 168 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: Stnald Trump presented his idea for a new battleship, and 169 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people have the impression we're talking the 170 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: old New Jersey or Iowa, which were amazing in their time, 171 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: and of course their time extended to my time. They 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: were off the coast of Kuwait during desert storm and 173 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: I was there. Why battleships? 174 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: Why? 175 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: Now? 176 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 8: I love those ships too, But the world has changed, 177 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 8: right the eighty years since World War Two, since there's 178 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,119 Speaker 8: Iowa class were built. 179 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 7: There are new threats now. 180 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 8: And you know, there's enormous pushback against this battleship idea. 181 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 8: I've never seen anything like it in my twenty years 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 8: reporting on that. It's just massive amount of pushback, mainly 183 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 8: from the left, but some professionals too. 184 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 7: They don't realize what this is. 185 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 8: This isn't a reincarnation of the old, but it has 186 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 8: some of those features like that sure bombardment that you 187 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 8: know Army and Marine Corps loves so much. 188 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 7: But what this is really about. 189 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 8: In the Red Sea, we threw everything at the Hoothy's Army, 190 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 8: Air Force, Navy, submarines, two aircraft carriers at once. The 191 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 8: only thing that was effective in protecting those logistics change 192 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 8: at the choke point where our destroyers they did great, 193 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 8: but they ran out of ule and ammunition too quick. 194 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 8: So really think about this as a hybrid between that 195 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 8: Iowa class and a larger destroyer that can stay on 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 8: station for longer. 197 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: Well, you're not talking something with twelve eighteen inch guns. 198 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: You are talking someone with firepower that can be delivered 199 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: onto the shore. And fire support is the main infantry 200 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 3: killing system. It's not our rifles. It's calling in fire 201 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: on things. So I love that, But what you're really saying, 202 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: tell me if I'm wrong. I'm just a land lubber. 203 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: Ships that are bigger tend to be able to go faster. 204 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: They also tend to be more survivable. They also tend 205 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: to be able to hold more ordnance and that makes 206 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: that absolutely a fort. 207 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's a great way of thinking forward fort. But 208 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 7: that fort has to be resupplied. 209 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 8: Right. We have the underway logistics where the best in 210 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 8: the world that underway replenishment of our carriers given that 211 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 8: aviation fuel to. 212 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 7: To the carriers. 213 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 8: But because of this, you know, bad decisions by previous administrations, 214 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 8: plus this UN International Maritime Organization all their green rules 215 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 8: are oilers we have too few of them, and they 216 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 8: have all this environmental junk on it that's limiting their effectiveness. 217 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 8: So we're tapping into our merchant marine tankers, but they 218 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 8: are slower and less effective, so the underway replenishment isn't 219 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 8: as good as they used to be. Plus these vertical 220 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 8: launch cells, they can't be replenished at sea, so the 221 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 8: destroyers in the Red Sea had to go all the 222 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 8: way back to Bahrain to get resupplied. 223 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 7: On top of all that, the destroyers. 224 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 8: We have new leaser weapons, we have new electronic warfare weapons. Man, 225 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 8: there is we're trying to fit ten pounds of you 226 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 8: know what in a five pound bag here with these destroyers, 227 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 8: there's no room for this extra stuff. Battleship gives you 228 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 8: that whole space to store more fuel, ammunition, but also 229 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 8: so add new capabilities. 230 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 3: Well look the old battleships and I've been to the 231 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: uss IOWA here in Los Angeles. Unbelievable, a real it 232 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: is a real eye opener to walk around on that. 233 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: And they saw I was a colonel, so they kind 234 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: of took me in the back and showed me around 235 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: a little more. Very impressive, but you were talking fifteen 236 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: hundred or so crew. Would you have a giant crew 237 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: on one of these or would you be able to 238 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: leverage the AI and automation to have a much smaller 239 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: manning footprint for these new vessels. 240 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 8: Well, the Navy came out with the initial specs. They're 241 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 8: thinking six hundred to eight hundred people. And this is 242 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 8: another question. You know, we can't a carrier group of 243 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 8: the carrier alone as over five thousand people plus the 244 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 8: destroyer screen in the submarine. That's a very vulnerable threat 245 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 8: to send out there to a choke point or to 246 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 8: start inching closer to China. Because this is a fortress 247 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 8: and has amazing defensive capability, you can put it out 248 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 8: there at a little more risky areas than a carrier 249 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 8: and instead of losing five thousand people, you'll lose six hundred. 250 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 8: You know this myth, and this is what happened with 251 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 8: our frigate program, which was just canceled. 252 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 7: We tried to make it survivable. 253 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 8: Against anything where you could throw a nuke at this 254 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 8: thing and it may still float. That's great, but in 255 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 8: a war, things are going to sync, people are going 256 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 8: to die. We have to accept more risk, and I 257 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 8: would rather risk six hundred and eight hundred people than 258 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 8: five thousand and a carrier. But if you send this out, 259 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 8: this can be a missile sponge. You know, the Chinese 260 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 8: are going to shoot a lot of hypersonics and drones. 261 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 8: Everyone says, well, what's going to happen? Well, bring it on. 262 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 7: Do you deplete those. 263 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 8: Stockpiles of those things and let these amazing new weapons systems, 264 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 8: the laser, the integrated seawiz, the deck guns handle this, 265 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 8: deplete some of those ammunitions and hold. 266 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 7: Strategic choke points. 267 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 8: So now it also is a command and control for 268 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 8: drone swarms too, which people are forgetting. 269 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: Now, Captain John Conrad, your CEO of gcaptain dot com 270 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: and you follow John and you should at John Conrad 271 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: with a K on Twitter. You know, a last civilians 272 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: out there are gonna be going You mean you're gonna 273 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: draw fire? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's how we as officers think. 274 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: You you you have to fight, and sometimes you move 275 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: out and draw fire so the other guy can take 276 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: you down. But these aren't pushovers. Like I said before, 277 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: and again I'm just gonna lay a lubber. But a 278 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: bigger ship tends to go faster. You tend to be. 279 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: You have the power to go quick, you can move, 280 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: you've got laser defenses, you got missile defenses. This isn't 281 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: a pushover, this is a floating fortress. We have about 282 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: fifteen seconds. 283 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, and then here's another, a crazy thing that we're 284 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 8: just putting on this. 285 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 7: It's called armor. You know all of. 286 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 8: These Navy ships they're very thin steeler like the LCS aluminum. 287 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 7: Hey, how about some of these missiles are going to 288 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 7: get through? But to have it? 289 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: Didn't the Sheffield have? Did the Sheffield which was taken 290 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: up by an exo set off the Falklands having him? 291 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: Wasn't that aluminum? And didn't we learn from that? 292 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 7: Absolutely? 293 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 8: And then Trump wants to bring back the steel industry 294 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 8: with this. So we get the armor and we get 295 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 8: more steel. 296 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 7: Capacity from manufacturing. 297 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: That's a win win win. John Conrad, Captain John Conrad, 298 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: CEO of G Captain follow at John Conrad, another guy 299 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: who wants in America strong and powerful. We all do 300 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: here at the Hue Hewitt Show. Guest goes Kurt Schlickter. 301 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: Stick around. We're back on the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm 302 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: guest host Kurt Schlickter, Senior Corominisotownhall dot com trial lawyer, 303 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: retired Army colonel, author of Panama. Read the new novel 304 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: it's number nine, and I'll tell you it's fantastic, and 305 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: you can believe me because I was an LA trial lawyer. 306 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: My next yes, used to be a lawyer too. He's 307 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: also recovering from it. I just I just met Salivac 308 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: recently after watching his movie Guns and Moses, which is 309 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: out now. It's available on Amazon for free, and I 310 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: gotta tell you it's a lot of fun. So I 311 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: thought I invite him on here to talk a little 312 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: more with us. Sal Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. 313 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 5: All right, wonderful to be with you. 314 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: Well, look, you've done something that I don't think anybody's 315 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: ever done before, which is make a a let's say, 316 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: pro Second Amendment, very pro Jewish action film that's in 317 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: the conservative sphere and doesn't look like it was made 318 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: in somebody's barn. It is a real movie, and I 319 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: want to say congratulations. I truly enjoyed it. 320 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, really appreciated. 321 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 9: And just today we found out that Religion Unplugged. Wonderful 322 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 9: Publication issued its list of the top ten Faith based 323 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 9: Films of twenty twenty five, which included some big titles 324 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 9: like Angel Studios, The Last Rodeo and David and number 325 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 9: one on the list of top ten faith based films 326 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 9: of twenty twenty five, Guns and Moses, and the writer 327 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 9: Joseph Holmes, a Great film critic, mentioned exactly what you're saying, Kurt, 328 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 9: that it used to be that films. 329 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 5: In the faith based space look kind of cheesy. 330 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 9: They weren't at the same quality level as Hollywood, but 331 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 9: they've come a long way and now you can find 332 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 9: films that are right up there in terms of production value, 333 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 9: star power, and sheer entertainment, and thank god Guns and 334 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 9: Moses is number one on that list. 335 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: Well, look, you've got some great stars on it, don'tant Monroney, 336 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: Neil McDonough who people remember from Justified and Band of Brothers. 337 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: He's always effect they're great in this thing. But your star, 338 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: the main character is a very nice, very kind, seems 339 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: like maybe even on a little liberal rabbi in a 340 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: small community, and he undergoes some changes and ends up 341 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: being a you know, packing heat, and the actor is 342 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: so fantastic you buy the entire transition of this character, 343 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: and he's a lot of fun to be around. He's 344 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 3: not a cardboard cutout, though. 345 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 5: Not at all. 346 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 9: So the actor Mark Forrestein plays the character Rabbi mo Zaltzman. 347 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 9: And I know a lot of people in the audience, 348 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 9: you know, served in the armed forces, or serve in 349 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 9: law enforcement, and they take seriously the idea of using 350 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 9: a firearm. You know, in Hollywood, it's so ridiculous. When 351 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 9: somebody needs to learn how to shoot. They put a 352 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 9: few tin cans on a fence. He misses the first one, 353 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 9: hits the next one, and you know, in fifteen seconds 354 00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 9: he's a dead shot. 355 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 5: That's not the real world. It's very difficult to. 356 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 9: Handle a firearm properly and safely and effectively under that 357 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 9: kind of pressure. 358 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: God forbid. 359 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 9: And so we take the Rabbi through real training in 360 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 9: the movie, based on my own real world training. I 361 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 9: didn't grow up around guns, but you know, in the 362 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 9: threat level to the Jewish people has been rising so 363 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 9: fast and so hard in recent years. I joined the 364 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 9: volunteer security organization. I learned how to use and carry 365 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 9: a firearm. I have my concealed carry permit. Please God, 366 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 9: none of us should ever have a need to use 367 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 9: these skills, but if we do, we will not be 368 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 9: a soft target. And we depict that on screen for 369 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 9: the big screen with Rabbi Mo and Guns and Moses. 370 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: Well solid back again, director of Guns and Moses. What 371 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: I thought was interesting, Well, look, all the problems don't 372 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: get solved with a gun, Okay. I mean, it's not 373 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: like Panama Rat where everything gets sold with a gun. 374 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: I thought was very interesting the way the character interacted 375 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: with a young man who had embraced radical hate group ideology, 376 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: and I found that interaction was actually very moving. 377 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 378 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 9: So the way it is a murder mystery guns to 379 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 9: most is the murder mystery, and there's a killing at 380 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 9: it at a synagogue. 381 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 5: Event right in the first scene, and. 382 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 9: The cops arrest a young white nationalist who has made 383 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 9: harassing remarks to the rabbi and his people in the past. 384 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 9: They find the murder weapon in his car. It's obvious 385 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 9: he did it. Case closed, but it doesn't smell right 386 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 9: to the rabbi, and since the cops won't investigate, he does. 387 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 9: And so you have this incredibly unusual situation that it's 388 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 9: a rabbi who's the only one who believes in the 389 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 9: innocence of a young white nationalist and who goes out 390 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 9: to find the real killer. And this kid, who you know, 391 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 9: ends up hating Jews has probably never met a Jew 392 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 9: in his life, and so much of that is going on. 393 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 9: There are people out there who benefit by stoking hatred, 394 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 9: and the kid was radicalized online. But the Rabbi can 395 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 9: see past, you know, this kind of superficial hatred and see, 396 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 9: you know, there's a young man there, there's a real 397 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 9: kid there. 398 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 5: He's got a heart and he can be reached. 399 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: You know. 400 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 9: So often I think when people break bread together, they 401 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 9: can get past kind of superficial isms that can separate them. 402 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: And that's an important theme in the movie. 403 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: Well, look in Guns and Moses, there's a lot more 404 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 3: going on than in a lot of mainstream Hollywood entertainment. Unfortunately, 405 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: this wasn't put out by a big studio. I think 406 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: it could have been, it should have been. It's certainly 407 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: higher quality. And then a lot of the nonsense, the 408 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: woke garbage that we see tell us a little about 409 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: your journey as a conservative filmmaker and some of the 410 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: challenges you faced. 411 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 9: Well, I'm glad you put it that way. I mean 412 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 9: Hollywood is a godless town. Let's just start with that. 413 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 9: This place is lacking in values. I know you spent 414 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 9: some time here in southern California. You know it as 415 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 9: well as any Uddy Kurt. There's just a lack of 416 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 9: good values, traditional values in this town. They've got their 417 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 9: woke ideology. It infects everything that they do. And getting 418 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 9: a movie like Guns and Moses made, I mean, it 419 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 9: just wasn't going to be possible in the normal routes. 420 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: Through the studios, etc. 421 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 9: So we were able, thank god, to raise the money, 422 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 9: to attract top tier talent to. 423 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 5: The story, to the script, to the movie. 424 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 9: The difference when people like you said, when you watch 425 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 9: our movie, it looks like any studio movie. The difference 426 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 9: is we shot it in four weeks instead of twelve 427 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 9: weeks like Hollywood would have done, and that required that 428 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 9: everybody be on board. Trust me, as a director, work 429 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 9: a million hours a day. Thank god we got it done. 430 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 9: But where the other big difference is is that when 431 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 9: Hollywood releases a movie, they spent as much or more 432 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 9: as they spent on making it to. 433 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: Market it that we didn't have. Okay, we didn't. 434 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 9: Have you know, five or ten or twenty million dollars 435 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 9: to market the movie, and so it's been a challenge 436 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 9: getting the word out there. We're so blessed and thankful 437 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 9: that the movie's becoming a word of mouth hit. People 438 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 9: are telling their friends, they're having watch parties. I mean, 439 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 9: it's a really fun movie. Forget the belief system of it, 440 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 9: and you know, all the values which are important. But 441 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 9: at the end of the day, my job as a 442 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 9: director is to entertain the viewer, and people are entertained, 443 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 9: but it's just. 444 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: Taking time to get the word out. 445 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 9: And one other thing, which maybe you've encountered along the way, 446 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 9: is there are people out there who oppose any kind 447 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 9: of conservative ideology, any kind of traditional value, and just 448 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 9: a few and they make it so difficult. I mean, 449 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 9: we got word that The New York Times had a 450 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 9: good review of the movie and killed it. 451 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 5: They wouldn't run. 452 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 9: Such a review because it's pro Second Amendment, it's pro faith, etc. 453 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 9: You know, we have a ninety three audience score on 454 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 9: Rotten Tomatoes. We even have a seventy three critics score. 455 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 9: It's like that's perfect, twenty points higher on the audience. 456 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 9: But we don't have as many reviews as we should. 457 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 9: Have because they will just bury anything that isn't in 458 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 9: line with the woke ideology. 459 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: And we have to. 460 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 9: Find alternative, alternative means to get to the audience. I mean, 461 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 9: there's been a robust conservative radio network for a long time, 462 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 9: but we're in a culture war. We are in a 463 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 9: culture war, and we got to have movies that reflect 464 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 9: our values. And when such a movie comes along, people 465 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 9: got to support it with their feet, with their wallet. 466 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 5: Watch it. I mean it's easy to watch it home now. 467 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 9: We're free with subscription on Prime or you can rent 468 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 9: or buy on other platforms. 469 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: It's not such a big deal to get it. So 470 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: get it. Watch our movie. You're gonna enjoy it. 471 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you really are. You had reached out to me, 472 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 3: I hadn't a chance to get back to you. I 473 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 3: saw I was skipping around Amazon. It takes me twenty 474 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 3: minutes to find something. I saw guns and most that says, 475 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: I'll give it a shot. And we watched the whole 476 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: thing and we legit enjoyed it because, as Andrew Andrew 477 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: Bridebart said, two important things. First, politics is downstream from culture, 478 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: so we got to do our own culture stuff. But 479 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: also it's got to be good you can't ask people 480 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: to watch junk sal litfac director of Guns and Moses. 481 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me on the Hugh Hewitt Show. Everybody, 482 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: Guns and Moses. Go out and get it, go out 483 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: and check it out. I'm Kurt Schlickter. I'm guest host 484 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 3: for the Great Hugh Hewitt. We've still got more to 485 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: come to stick around the bubye suck. 486 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 9: From them. 487 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: We are back on the Hugh Hewrett radio program. I'm 488 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: guests Ho's Kurt Schlichter and there are two books that 489 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: I want to show you. First, Panama, read the new 490 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: Kurt Schlichter novel. It is a lot of fun. You 491 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: should get it. But I also want to show you 492 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: A Rage to Conquer. It's the newest history book from 493 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: my buddy Michael Walsh, who is now my guest. Michael, 494 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. 495 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 10: Nice you church a pleasure to be with you here 496 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 10: from soon to be a foot of snow in northwestern Connecticut. 497 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 3: Well, I'm about to float away here in southern California. 498 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: I blame global warming because it's never snowed or rained before. 499 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 10: No snow in December in New England is unheard of. 500 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 10: So you can just see how much damage we've done 501 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 10: to the climate. Well, let's face it. 502 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: Well, of course we're relying on history, and your book, 503 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: of Course, is an ode to history. I love it 504 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: because it's twelve battles that changed the Western world. It's amazing. 505 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: Our friends on the left, they're not not so big 506 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: on history. Why is that? Why do they hate history? 507 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 10: Yeah? I think history that teaches them that what they 508 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 10: believe isn't true. That is to say, the minute you 509 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 10: start looking at it seriously, you realize that their premises 510 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 10: are false, and therefore you move away from the narrative 511 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 10: that they keep trying to impose. Howard's in the History 512 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 10: of unquote is the arc of all this. But there 513 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 10: have been a lot of leftist historians in the first 514 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 10: half and twentieth century into the second half of the 515 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 10: century that pushed this narrative America, bad slavery reparations, bigotry, races. 516 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 10: You know, all their buzzwords come from that. And when 517 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 10: you learn to not be afraid of their buzzwords anymore, 518 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 10: because they're not true. First of all, that's the number 519 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 10: one reason, and that sticks and stones can break your bones, 520 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 10: but names will never hurt you. Then you can fight back. 521 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 10: So what I try to do in this book, and 522 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 10: did in previous book called Last Stands, and now in 523 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 10: the new book I'm writing, The Wrath of God, is 524 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 10: to go back to the historical sources and say, here's 525 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 10: what happened. This is the best summary of all of 526 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 10: the eyewitnesses and first primary sources that I can find, 527 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 10: and this is my interpretation of them, and this is 528 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 10: what I believe to be the truth. That's what historians do. 529 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: You know, Michael Walsh. I you know, I'm on social 530 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: media once in a while, and it seems that people 531 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: are not only ignorant of facts, they're immune to them. 532 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: They simply believe things that aren't true and refuse to 533 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: believe things that are manifestly and obviously true. And it's 534 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: almost Orwellian in the way that they can convince themselves 535 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: that what they're seeing and hearing are not actually what 536 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: they're seeing and hearing. 537 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 10: Well they want to believe. You know, what's happened is 538 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 10: that sports has now become the identifying terable for everything 539 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 10: we do. We choose up sides, and we love our 540 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 10: Red Sox and we hate those Yankees no matter what. 541 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 11: That the teams change players, that the city's changed, you change, 542 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 11: but most diehard sports fans immediately go to the tribe 543 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 11: and begin to fight the rival tribe. 544 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 10: It's like the monkey tribe in two thousand and the 545 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 10: one at the beginning, and we've now. 546 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: Applied that to politics. 547 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 10: So it's Trump is the lightning rod, and so whatever 548 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 10: he does is either the worst thing ever or he's great. 549 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 10: And there's no interpretation, there's no middle ground, there's no 550 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 10: time for nuanced it's all this emotion driven hysteria. Mostly 551 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 10: I'm afraid on ex Twitter, some on Facebook as well, 552 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 10: which I also am on, But I really think this 553 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 10: is bad for the country, and I think people should 554 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 10: mostly calm down and shut up. That's what I mostly think. 555 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: Well, look, I think so much, so much is emotion, 556 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: so much is preconceived notions, and then you bend the 557 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: facts to support them your pre existing conclusions. What that 558 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: does is eliminate the whole concept of argument, which presumes 559 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: the chance to change someone's mind. And if you don't 560 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: resolve let's talk history. If you're not resolving arguments through debate, 561 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: what does that leave you to resume resolved arguments? 562 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 10: Well, I would say fisticuffs and clubs mostly, which is 563 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 10: the direction that we're heading. You see, the left has 564 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 10: now basically given permission to shoot us. They obviously did 565 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 10: it with our friend Charlie Kirk. They've taken shots at 566 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 10: the president. The left killed three of the four presidents 567 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 10: who have been assassinated, three of the Republicans. The Democrats 568 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 10: killed three of the first six Republican presidents. They just 569 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 10: assassinated them. So this is not anything new, but it's 570 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 10: their go to default mode and we really have to 571 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 10: be on our guard against us. They don't like debate 572 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 10: because they're going to lose. That's the problem. 573 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: I think their challenge is they have trained a generation 574 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: of conservatives and patriots to respond to what they're doing. 575 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: And of course we got all the guns. So as 576 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: Chairman maw who normally they listen to, said, all power 577 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 3: comes from the barrel of a gun. At the end 578 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: of the day, if if the currency is pure power, 579 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: I kind of like our odds. 580 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 10: Well, you know, obviously we don't want to get to 581 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 10: that point and we would prefer reason debate. I mean, 582 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 10: this changed my mind on some issues after delving more 583 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 10: deeply into the world, and you're Irish different Georgian and 584 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 10: I'm irish. That means I'm stubborn and stupid. So if 585 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 10: I can do it, anybody can do it. But if 586 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 10: you can't engage in an argument of intellectual argument, then 587 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 10: what's left, as you just said, but a resort to force, 588 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 10: and left loves force. 589 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: Well, let's love it. Well, let's let's look at what's 590 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: happening in Europe right now. We have the Europeans saying 591 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: we love free speech. We're just against hate speech and 592 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: irresponsible speech and disinformation, which will all be defined by us. 593 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: And coincidentally, we'll support our regime and undermine any challenge 594 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: to our regime. 595 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 10: Well, their regime is what I call the EUSSR. By 596 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 10: the way, let's all let's take a brief moment of 597 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 10: silence to more in the passing of the Soviet Union 598 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 10: on this date in nineteen ninety one. And I had 599 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 10: left that benighted country about six months before, just before 600 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 10: the coup against Gorbachev, and you can see the country 601 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 10: was on its last legs and it collapsed just out 602 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 10: of the blue. Now we have the EUSSR, which is 603 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 10: headed for the same fate, hopefully more quickly. 604 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 3: EUSSR do you think that the Europeans have enough manhood 605 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: that wasn't bled out on the psalm, didn't die on 606 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: a you know the fields of Europe in World War Two. 607 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: And of course they're disarmed, and you can't be a 608 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: man if you don't have a weapon. How are they 609 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 3: going to fight this nanty dictatorship? We have about thirty seconds. 610 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 10: Yeah, they'll get real quick. The Europeans don't define freedom 611 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 10: the way we do. 612 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 3: Clearly. 613 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 10: When I first moved to Germany in nineteen eighty nine, 614 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 10: they said, yeah, America, Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, you become 615 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 10: a millionaire here, but you could also sleep under the bridge. 616 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 10: And I said, yes, but Americans think we could end 617 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 10: up sleeping under the bridge, but we're going to be 618 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 10: a millionaire. 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Mark, Welcome to 681 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 3: the Hugh Huge Show. 682 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 2: That I like what you said. 683 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, I'm gonna do the glasses thing. 684 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna vibe on the same glasses. 685 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: What do you think? 686 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 10: I love it? I love it? 687 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that. 688 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: Uh. 689 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 3: Look look Mark, I'm writing. I've already written a column 690 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: for town Hall for Monday. Uh, and it's called can 691 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 3: You Feel the vibe shift. I think there is a 692 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 3: vibe shift after you know, we had about seven great 693 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 3: months with Donald Trump at getting things done. Then things 694 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: kind of slowed down. People are kind of asking, hey, 695 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: when's this economy going to turn around? We cat, you know, 696 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: the administration kind of stepped on its own feet a 697 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 3: few times. But I think in the last week or so, 698 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 3: with the GDP and the inflation numbers and US sending 699 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: his Loniss to hell in Nigeria, which is awesome, I 700 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: think we have a vibe shift. I think we're turning around. 701 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 3: I think people are looking around going, you know, maybe 702 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: things aren't that bad. Am I crazy? 703 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 6: I don't think you're crazy. I don't know if you're 704 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 6: premature or not. Let's give it a few more months. 705 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 6: But one of the things that Trump, Scott Best and 706 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 6: the Treasury Secretary Howard Latnik to a degree, have been 707 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 6: saying is the end of quarter one, beginning of quarter 708 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 6: two of twenty twenty six, you're going to start to 709 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 6: see this confluence of events of lower interest rates, the 710 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 6: effect of the as they call it, the Big Beautiful Bill, 711 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 6: all the tax provisions start to kick in, not just 712 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 6: no tax on tips, but also various depreciation rules, which 713 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 6: are going to enable corporations to hire more, the borrowing 714 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 6: costs are going to be cheaper, and on and on, 715 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 6: and people are going to start to really feel it. 716 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 6: That's their hope. And to your point, so far, so good. 717 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 6: The inflation numbers look good. GDP was certainly better than expected, 718 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 6: and this is what they've been saying all along. 719 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 2: But again, we want to focus too much on the blip. 720 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: Let's check out the trend line. 721 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: Well, Mark, I think I think we've had an interesting 722 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. In some other areas. We apparently have 723 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: pretty high public support for the campaign against the drug boats. 724 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 3: Now we're blowing up Islamis who are murdering Christians in Nigeria. 725 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,479 Speaker 3: It does seem and again I fully support destroying drug 726 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: dealers and Islamis fanatics. I'm totally in on it. But 727 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 3: there are a lot of Conservatives who are out there saying, hey, 728 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: we were promised no more wars. These are kind of 729 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 3: like wars. Do you think that's going to have a 730 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 3: major drag on the Republican Party over the next year. 731 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. 732 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 6: What I do know is that there were a lot 733 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 6: of predictions of how the Republican Party was going to 734 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 6: come apart with the seams, how Maga was divided if 735 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 6: Donald Trump would join Netanyahu's bombing campaign of Iran. 736 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 2: Trump did. 737 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 6: It was successful for what Trump set out to do, 738 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 6: and there was no divisions afterward. Republicans to thegreed that 739 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 6: they weren't sort of in line and behind the president, 740 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 6: fell in line, got behind the president. 741 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 2: So it depends on what it looks like. 742 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 6: Is if I think if Venezuela is a real sort 743 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 6: of hot war with an invasion, that might tend to 744 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 6: really divide the party and cause problems. But I just 745 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 6: don't get the feeling that that's really on the table. 746 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 2: Trump is saying everything's. 747 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 6: Down the table, but some things are more likely to 748 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 6: be on the table than others. And a full on 749 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 6: invasion hot war isn't you know? You plug your book 750 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 6: Panama read. One of the things I've been stressing to 751 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 6: people when they talk about US adventures in Latin America 752 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 6: and how they failed. The one success that they point 753 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 6: to that US policymakers or Trump supporters or the Trump 754 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 6: administration points to is in Panama. In nineteen eighty nine, 755 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 6: there was an indicted leader the Menuel Noriega. He had 756 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 6: stolen his election, his last election. He was therefore declared 757 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 6: a dictator, and the United States engaged in a hot war. 758 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 6: They invaded the United States, invaded, snatched him, took him 759 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 6: back to the United States, he was convicted, and the like. 760 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 6: And now Panama is a flourishing democracy. 761 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: Now we'll let as well look exactly like that. 762 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 6: I can't say that, but there is a template for 763 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 6: the United States engaging these sorts of regime change operations 764 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 6: in a very hot and aggressive way and not having 765 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 6: it become sort of a. 766 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 2: Post Iraq invasion hellhole. 767 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 3: Well, Mark Ipudo is the look. We've had some problems 768 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 3: within the conservative movement. We've had some people who were 769 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 3: formerly part of it who saying incredibly stupid things Candae 770 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 3: owns and some incredibly crazy things, and we've been told 771 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 3: that this is going to tear the Republican Party apart. 772 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm interested in whether the White House worries about that. 773 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 3: Are they afraid we're gonna ideologically tear ourselves to shreds. 774 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 2: If they are really worried about it, they're not really 775 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 2: leading it on. 776 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 6: The main thing I get out of the White House 777 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 6: here is just sort of a frustration the Epstein files 778 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 6: has been sort of just sort of. 779 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 2: A drag administration Trump. 780 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, well they haven't been sort of been they haven't 781 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 6: been able to get from behind the eight ball on 782 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 6: sort of the messaging of it. But that aside, and 783 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 6: that's just causing a level of frustration at the media coverage. 784 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of commentary set, especially on 785 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 6: social media. 786 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to just say media, but the. 787 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 6: Sort of the broader conversation on social media, factoring in 788 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 6: a lot of liberals is that Donald Trumps in damage control. 789 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 2: She was about to drop. Why was he lying and 790 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 2: hiding things? 791 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 6: But the reality is that what we've seen so far, 792 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 6: we've been at this for about a decade. I wrote 793 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 6: about this the other day in Axios for our piece 794 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 6: about how there was still a lot of time and 795 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 6: a lot of documents to go before everything was fully disclosed. 796 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 6: That after a decade of media coverage and public awareness 797 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 6: of Jeffrey Epstein, after countless investigative reports that have been issued, 798 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 6: and scores of lawsuits and complainants victims who have gone public, 799 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 6: and thousands, tens of thousands of emails and now documents 800 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 6: in some cases, documents that normally would not have seen 801 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 6: the light of day, and pictures, photographs, thousands, tens of thousands, 802 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 6: hundreds of thousands of photographs. After all this totality of 803 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 6: everything we've seen, we haven't yet seen any credible evidence 804 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 6: that Donald Trump engaged in sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein 805 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 6: or sex with a minor. It's just sort of not there. 806 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 6: So currently where we are now, there are maybe a 807 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 6: million more documents to go, and then there's the stuff 808 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 6: that the Epstein estate has. Maybe that'll change, maybe something 809 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 6: will come out, but it's starting to seem like that's 810 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 6: not going to be the case at least as of now. 811 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 3: Well, Mark Computo, you are the Axios White House reporter. 812 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 3: You can follow him on Mark at Mark Capudo, Mark 813 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 3: with a CE, Caputo with a C, and uh, thank 814 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 3: you for coming on the Hugh hewittt Show. Happy New Year. 815 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm Kurt Schlichter. We'll be right back.