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Speaker 3: All right, welcome everybody.
Speaker 4: It is Friday, August seventh, twenty twenty six. We are
Speaker 4: here at the y Reefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. How
Speaker 4: we doing, Blake, We're doing lovely. It is a It's
Speaker 4: a glorious Arizona morning.
Speaker 3: I will tell you, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2: I like to the glorious Arizona morning yesterday because it
Speaker 2: was actually kind of cool. It was only like seventy degrees.
Speaker 3: Is there all beef with Arizona that it's too cold?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean seventy degrees is a good temperature. It's
Speaker 2: not too cold Arizona, which is anytime you step into
Speaker 2: a supermarket.
Speaker 4: Oh well, we have much to cover, and I want
Speaker 4: to get into the current situation on the left. Okay,
Speaker 4: the current situation. I was on with Jesse Waters last night.
Speaker 4: It's always nice when he brings me on.
Speaker 3: And there is a civil war brewing on the American
Speaker 3: political left.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: There is the establishment Dems. There are the rising we'll
Speaker 4: call them the Young Turks because it ties in of
Speaker 4: the DSA and now there are news reports that the
Speaker 4: Establishment Dems are about to dump fifteen million dollars into
Speaker 4: trying to unseat these people.
Speaker 3: There is a story that broke on.
Speaker 4: A NBC about a paid influencer campaign that was behind
Speaker 4: Hailey Stevens trying to.
Speaker 2: Take at El Sayed.
Speaker 4: You even saw the same electioneering that was used against
Speaker 4: President Trump in twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. Possibly
Speaker 4: we can't prove it yet, but it certainly has all
Speaker 4: the earmarks and hallmarks of the electioneering campaign where they
Speaker 4: stuff drop boxes and they released their votes laid especially
Speaker 4: in the black precincts to beat el Sayed. Hailey Stevens
Speaker 4: ended up falling short. Nevertheless, we know that the establishment
Speaker 4: was not super ready to cozy up with their radicals.
Speaker 4: And last night when I was on Jesse Waters, I
Speaker 4: made a point and I got tons of feedback on it,
Speaker 4: which leads me to believe that probably I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to bring in Blake as the resident historian. We're gonna
Speaker 4: have to do an actual multi part series on this.
Speaker 4: But let's start here. I am of the belief that
Speaker 4: in the United States of America, the Conservative Party, the
Speaker 4: Conservative movement are the inheritors, the believers, the transmitters of
Speaker 4: the ideals of the American Revolution, which is life, liberty,
Speaker 4: and the pursuit of happiness. Now, originally that was life,
Speaker 4: liberty and property. We believe in property rights. We believe
Speaker 4: in your ability to own things and to have the
Speaker 4: freedom to trade, sell, buy. All of those things are
Speaker 4: your freedoms and God given freedoms. By the way, now,
Speaker 4: the French Revolution does not believe in that. They have
Speaker 4: egalatee fraternity, liberty, egality, e galitate, egalitarianism, equal What do
Speaker 4: we always hear from the American left? Equality, equality, equity, equity.
Speaker 4: The animal spirits of the American Revolution are alive and well.
Speaker 4: On the conservative side, we wish they were more alive
Speaker 4: at times, And the animal spirits unleashed in the French
Speaker 4: Revolution are alive and well in the modern progressive left movement.
Speaker 4: One gave birth to the greatest country in the history
Speaker 4: of the world, the strongest, the most prosperous, the most equal.
Speaker 4: The other gave birth to the French Revolution, which ended
Speaker 4: in a bloody terror. Now Blake has ultimately worked out.
Speaker 2: Is probably the most complicated topic in world history.
Speaker 4: Edmund Burke, the famous political philosopher from the mother country.
Speaker 3: Was he Scottish?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I believe he might have been Scottish. Either way, he
Speaker 4: was from mother England. The point is he basically became
Speaker 4: one of the most famous political philosophers in the world
Speaker 4: because he was a strong critic of the French Revolutions
Speaker 4: and the ideas that undergirded that movement and led to
Speaker 4: the bloody terror. I made the other point, and I
Speaker 4: remember Charlie making this from time to time. Robespierre was
Speaker 4: one of the leaders, the main figures in the French Revolution.
Speaker 4: He was led ultimately to a bloody guillotine death of
Speaker 4: beheading by the same movement that he inspired, and they
Speaker 4: cheered his demise, and they should have. And that is,
Speaker 4: by the way, the Democrat Party probably has this comment.
Speaker 4: That is a perfect analog for the Democrat Party in
Speaker 4: the establishment. They engineered every step along the way. And Blake,
Speaker 4: you have a great take on this. Two times they
Speaker 4: blocked Bernie Sanders, and now they get Bernie Sanders on steroids.
Speaker 4: They get Mom Donnie, they get LSI Ed, they get Hong,
Speaker 4: they get and there by the way, they get Chevalier.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of these people that are coming
Speaker 4: up through the ranks. They embrace third worldism, they embrace
Speaker 4: racial grievances, they embraced assassination culture, they refuse to police
Speaker 4: their own when Charlie was assassinated. All of these things
Speaker 4: are eerily reminiscent of a movement in the French Revolution.
Speaker 4: And now you've got the young upstarts telling the establishment
Speaker 4: Dems how it's going to be. Here's David Hogg.
Speaker 5: Two, what would you say to the moderates in your party?
Speaker 6: Who would it to the moners our party? You need
Speaker 6: to figure out how to actually offer something new to
Speaker 6: voters that isn't just the same message that you gave
Speaker 6: them in twenty twenty four. Increasingly, the reason why the
Speaker 6: establishment of our party is being defeated over and over
Speaker 6: and over again is it's because you don't have the
Speaker 6: right values that are aligned with not the democratic base
Speaker 6: that the American people were.
Speaker 2: Maybe David Hogg is a radical because he's he's angry
Speaker 2: he's not getting better reception.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got terrible reception. David, How you gotta work
Speaker 4: on that bush League. But even worse than that, who
Speaker 4: do you see out front campaigning with all of these
Speaker 4: people Hassan Piker. And if you hear us bring up
Speaker 4: his name, it's because he is so beyond the pale
Speaker 4: he should be disqualifying for anybody. Should they embrace his endorsement,
Speaker 4: they should disavow his endorsement. This is Hassan Piker. He's
Speaker 4: the same Hassan Piker, by the way, who said that
Speaker 4: America deserved nine to eleven, that Rick Scott should be murdered,
Speaker 4: that capitalist blood should spill the streets, murder those m efforts,
Speaker 4: he said. He's also joked about the assassination of President Trump,
Speaker 4: saying someone has to do it. And instead of policing
Speaker 4: this crook, this absolute cretan, they go out and campaign
Speaker 4: with him. And here's what Hassan Piker is saying. Now
Speaker 4: listen to this. How insane, this is sop four.
Speaker 7: I'm one hundred percent closer to the prison abolition is
Speaker 7: perspective than the average Americans framework on this issue, because
Speaker 7: oh my god, you guys literally fantasize about the violent
Speaker 7: crimes that someone might have committed, and you fantasize further
Speaker 7: about how you need to create an equal avenges structure.
Speaker 7: Americans sometimes literally feel Americans sometimes literally feel like they
Speaker 7: want to be the rapist murderers.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's Hassan Piker saying he's pro abolishing prisons
Speaker 4: because Americans have a fetishize or fantasize about becoming either
Speaker 4: a rapists themselves or getting raped. That we deserve this
Speaker 4: because we're fantasizing about crime.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense he would say that, because
Speaker 2: if you really want to get at the heart of
Speaker 2: why the left love's abolishing prisons, normal people want prisons
Speaker 2: because they can imagine themselves being a victim of crime,
Speaker 2: and they sympathize with the victim of crime. The left
Speaker 2: they sympathize with the criminal, and they can easily imagine
Speaker 2: themselves doing the same things, and so they wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to go to prison.
Speaker 3: No, exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, and I also think it's because somebody like Hassan Piker,
Speaker 4: who was born in America, yes, but then raised in Turkey,
Speaker 4: harbors a deep disdain for the American people. He wants
Speaker 4: you to be victimized, he wants you to be murdered
Speaker 4: in the streets, he wants you to be raped because
Speaker 4: he actually hates you and he hates this country. And
Speaker 4: this is the man that is going around campaigning with
Speaker 4: all of these crazy dsas. It is the spirit of
Speaker 4: the French Revolution alive and well in a singular political party,
Speaker 4: and it is consuming that party, and the host establishment
Speaker 4: Dems are powerless to stop it. God help us all.
Speaker 4: So one of the reasons I think this is really interesting, Blake,
Speaker 4: is because we're starting to see the contours of this
Speaker 4: movement from Politico, the DSA movement. As results continue to
Speaker 4: come in Michigan's hotly contested Senate Senate race again that
Speaker 4: was l Sied versus Haley Stevens, a class divide is emerging.
Speaker 4: L Cied is performing best in places with higher incomes
Speaker 4: and education levels, while Stevens is doing better in more
Speaker 4: working class areas. So this all made me think of
Speaker 4: something that you brought up. And by the way, we
Speaker 4: could throw that graphic up if we have it. You
Speaker 4: mentioned this term on our thought crime show of lower elites. Yep,
Speaker 4: explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 2: Well, so it's like it says he's doing best with
Speaker 2: people who have higher incomes, higher education levels, and that
Speaker 2: often it might pop into your head, oh, this is
Speaker 2: really rich people who are running it. But it's really
Speaker 2: not like that. It's often what you might call people
Speaker 2: who feel like who are actually doing decently well but
Speaker 2: feel they should be doing a lot better. You might say,
Speaker 2: like downwardly mobile elites. So maybe they grew up upper
Speaker 2: middle class, they grew up in a nice house in
Speaker 2: the suburbs, they got it, they went to school, got
Speaker 2: a bunch of education, but then what they thought their
Speaker 2: life was going to be never quite panned out. So
Speaker 2: maybe they got a PhD, but they never became a
Speaker 2: distinguished college professor. They're just doing postdoc after postdoc, or
Speaker 2: they're an associate faculty member who's never going to get
Speaker 2: a tenure track a nonprofit, yeah, or working at a
Speaker 2: nonprofit making seventy k, but they think they should be
Speaker 2: making a lot more, a lot of that. There's a
Speaker 2: great article in The New York's The New York Are
Speaker 2: about Subarus socialists, they call them, and those people are
Speaker 2: objectively actually middle class. They probably if you know two
Speaker 2: people making seventy k each, that's higher than the American
Speaker 2: meeting average, but they'll often feel like they're not getting ahead,
Speaker 2: especially if they grew up making even more in a
Speaker 2: household making even more. And so these are the people
Speaker 2: who are the absolute shock troops of the Democratic Party. Like,
Speaker 2: perfect way to predict a Democrat voter is someone who
Speaker 2: has a graduate degree or a PhD, making between thirty
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand dollars a year. That's not a person
Speaker 2: who's an outright poverty That is not a person who
Speaker 2: is starving, but it is a person who feels super
Speaker 2: frustrated about their life and they're smart enough to feel
Speaker 2: tons of complicated resentment about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you were bringing up ties to maybe the
Speaker 4: Bolshevik Revolution, Yes, you're bringing up yeah, exactly, relate to
Speaker 4: those movements.
Speaker 2: In the exactly. And if you look almost any revolution,
Speaker 2: you'll have famous revolutions, but they're rarely just like a
Speaker 2: peasant uprising, you almost always need someone who is an
Speaker 2: angry elite, or a frustrated elite, or like a kicked
Speaker 2: out elite. So the Bolsheviks, a lot of the people
Speaker 2: reading that, they're pretty smart people. They're maybe the children
Speaker 2: of priests, they're the children of like merchants, capitalists who
Speaker 2: got radicalized against the system and decided they wanted to
Speaker 2: blow it up, and then they whip up the workers
Speaker 2: to support them. The French Revolution. Robespierre was Robespierre's job,
Speaker 2: do you know, I don't. Robespierre was a rural French lawyer. Interesting,
Speaker 2: and tons of lawyers in the French Revolution, tons of
Speaker 2: the lower bourgeoisie. Fascinating. Yeah, So Robespierre was not an
Speaker 2: angry peasant. Robespierre was not a he was not a
Speaker 2: starving guy. He was a highly educated, capable person who
Speaker 2: was elected to the Assembly when they first had it.
Speaker 2: And he had a bunch of really radical ideas that
Speaker 2: he put into practice. And those are a lot of
Speaker 2: the guys who are the most radical in that revolution.
Speaker 4: It isn't too far to say that oftentimes these radical
Speaker 4: left leaning revolutions are powered by the resentment of the
Speaker 4: lower elites.
Speaker 2: Yes, and a thing I think about a lot that
Speaker 2: might drive a lot of radicalism. Think about how America
Speaker 2: has been historically. It's been very decentralized. So our capital
Speaker 2: historically has not been that big. Washington, d C. Was
Speaker 2: not even one of our ten largest cities for a
Speaker 2: long time, and you had New York is big, but
Speaker 2: compare New York size to how big the country is overall,
Speaker 2: it's surprisingly small. Compared to say, like Tokyo. Tokyo is
Speaker 2: a bigger city than New York in a country that's
Speaker 2: one third the size of ours. London has almost as
Speaker 2: many people as New York, and Britain only as sixty
Speaker 2: million people, not three hundred million. So you have New York, LA,
Speaker 2: you have Houston, you have Seattle, we have widely distributed cities,
Speaker 2: lots of There's like a lot of room to be
Speaker 2: elite in America historically, and what have we seen. We've
Speaker 2: seen centralization. More jobs are in just a few cities.
Speaker 2: Now everyone moves to New York, to Austin, to the
Speaker 2: Bay Area, to DC and there's not as many jobs.
Speaker 2: There's not as much ability to be an elite in America. Plus,
Speaker 2: you have the Internet, which is making it easier for
Speaker 2: you to feel like you're behind because someone you see
Speaker 2: on the Internet is getting ahead of ale.
Speaker 4: All social anxiety for young women is based on comparing
Speaker 4: themselves to other waes exactly.
Speaker 2: So now instead of comparing yourself to your neighbor, you're
Speaker 2: comparing yourself to the planet. You're comparing yourself to everyone
Speaker 2: on the internet. It's so much easier to feel frustrated
Speaker 2: and let down. It's so much easier to feel I
Speaker 2: should have more in my life and I don't have it,
Speaker 2: and those sorts of disappointments and resentments are the kernel
Speaker 2: that can build a lot of radical political movements.
Speaker 4: Yes, so when we think about who is supporting this movement,
Speaker 4: the rise of the DSA, it is twofold. It's the
Speaker 4: rise of the It's the resentment of the lower elites,
Speaker 4: the white typically educated lower elites that are smart enough
Speaker 4: to work the system and smart enough to have very
Speaker 4: complicated resentment structure.
Speaker 2: And think of another type that you're getting people who
Speaker 2: are think about like olsaied types, A lot of immigrants.
Speaker 2: Well that's the group.
Speaker 4: The other group is the immigrants, the children of immigrants.
Speaker 4: L say Ed is a guy that yes, he was
Speaker 4: again born in America, this pesky birthright citizenship that President Trump,
Speaker 4: by the way, is trying once again to get rid of.
Speaker 4: But he was raised in many ways in Egypt. He
Speaker 4: spent his summers, he was summering in Egypt.
Speaker 2: And it's super common for these galas their parents might
Speaker 2: have gotten far more elite in their home country than
Speaker 2: they are in America. Lots of really to have resentment
Speaker 2: about that resentment that you're in this other country rather
Speaker 2: than running your homeland. There are so many ways to
Speaker 2: build up a giant ball of anger and resentment and
Speaker 2: then say, well, well, actually I'm just I'm angry because
Speaker 2: the system is rigged against me.
Speaker 4: And this is the bifurcated American body politic. The conservative
Speaker 4: movement embraces free markets, property ownership, the rule of law,
Speaker 4: equality before the law, and liberty. The radical left embraces
Speaker 4: the Bolshevik spirit, the French revolutionary spirit of equity, equality
Speaker 4: of murderousness, of seizing the means of production, taking from
Speaker 4: you if they don't think you're doing it right, and
Speaker 4: that ultimately is being powered by the lower elites, the
Speaker 4: highly educated, not so accomplished, resentful elites, and then powered
Speaker 4: by a mountain of new immigrants and their children that
Speaker 4: we brought in.
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Speaker 4: Todd Nettleton with the Voice of the Martyrs, host of
Speaker 4: the Voice of the Martyrs radio for twenty years, has
Speaker 4: traveled the world interviewed hundreds and hundreds of Christians who've
Speaker 4: been persecuted in the name of Jesus. Now he's inviting
Speaker 4: you to come along and meet bold believers whose faith
Speaker 4: will inspire you to a deeper walk with Christ. So
Speaker 4: you get this, this is grab your passport and come
Speaker 4: along on a forty day journey. And if you're curious
Speaker 4: what I'm reading, this is his book When Faith is Forbidden.
Speaker 4: Forty days on the front lines with persecuted Christians. It says,
Speaker 4: we'll meet brothers and sisters who refuse to deny Christ
Speaker 4: despite being beaten, imprisoned, or even killed for their faith.
Speaker 4: When Faith is Forbidden will introduce you to a Chinese
Speaker 4: Christian woman who called six months in prison a wonderful time.
Speaker 4: We'll go through arm checkpoints to meet it in Iraqi
Speaker 4: pastor praising God just eight days after an assassin's.
Speaker 2: Bullet ripped through his flesh.
Speaker 4: And we'll sit down for a cup of tea with
Speaker 4: others from our Christian family in Iran. Eritrea, Turkey, Jordan,
Speaker 4: and other nations. Each stop on this forty day journey
Speaker 4: will provide inspiration and encouragement through the story of a
Speaker 4: persecuted believer. You'll also find space for reflection and suggested
Speaker 4: prayers as you grow to understand the realities of living
Speaker 4: under persecution.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful book.
Speaker 4: Obviously, this is really important to us because I believe
Speaker 4: Charlie was a Christian martyr, and I believe he's a
Speaker 4: modern day Founding Father. I believe that any sort of
Speaker 4: praise for the life that he lived and we got
Speaker 4: to see it behind the scenes, is warranted. He was
Speaker 4: a man of incredible integrity and awesome, powerful, courageous faith.
Speaker 4: And so I have told the team that I want
Speaker 4: one of the things that we constantly bring up on
Speaker 4: this show to be paying attention to Christians, whether it's
Speaker 4: in Nigeria, whether it's in Iran, which we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about with Todd. Once we get the tech issue
Speaker 4: worked out, that we focus on their stories because that
Speaker 4: is one of our mandates as.
Speaker 3: Christians to remember the persecuted church.
Speaker 4: And so I hope that once we get him on
Speaker 4: that we are going to be able to inspire you
Speaker 4: to continue thinking about these things, to continue praying for
Speaker 4: your brothers and sisters around the world that are living
Speaker 4: their faith boldly and loudly despite incredible, incredible prices.
Speaker 2: You know, we went through COVID, we saw sort of
Speaker 2: the first intimations of what anti Christian repression in the
Speaker 2: US could look like, which is, for health reasons, you
Speaker 2: can't assemble with other believers. We saw the Biden administration
Speaker 2: start sending these FBI guys to lurk in Catholic masses
Speaker 2: because that's a sinister thing, and that was all bad,
Speaker 2: very bad, and an American Yet at the same time,
Speaker 2: we should remember we have it very easy in the
Speaker 2: United States compared to a lot of places. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of countries and a lot of Islamic countries.
Speaker 2: Converting to Christianity legally in the statue book carries the
Speaker 2: death penalty. In a lot of countries, if it is
Speaker 2: rumored that you are a Christian or that you are
Speaker 2: sympathetic to Christians, whatever the law says, you can face
Speaker 2: mob violence, you can face vigilante justice from people. That
Speaker 2: is the reality in huge chunks of Pakistan, a lot
Speaker 2: of Iran, a lot certainly a lot of Africa. You
Speaker 2: can be kidnapped, you can be enslaved, you can be
Speaker 2: tortured because you are a Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and the other aspect of this is that we're
Speaker 4: importing this into our country while we're waiting for Todd
Speaker 4: and the tech. This is Rokana talking about how great
Speaker 4: l Saied is. I don't worry about the fact he's
Speaker 4: a Muslim. Think about that. How American it is that
Speaker 4: this must some boy could rise up?
Speaker 3: Oh okay six.
Speaker 8: Now, when it comes to Muslim America, shouldn't we christ
Speaker 8: be celebrating put aside Abdul's politics. Where else can you
Speaker 8: have a son of immigrants, a Muslim American Abdul, and
Speaker 8: you have Michigan electing him in a primary. That should say, Wow,
Speaker 8: America is extraordinary, that we're overcoming barriers of race and religion,
Speaker 8: and that this country, unlike a lot of other countries,
Speaker 8: you can be of different backgrounds and the people will
Speaker 8: still give you a chance. You know, don't and you know,
Speaker 8: the demonization of him, attacking him on that is about
Speaker 8: the dumbest political strategy.
Speaker 4: I couldn't disagree with Rocana more. But it doesn't surprise
Speaker 4: me because that's Rocana. The Islam coming into the country
Speaker 4: is a terrible development because it is incompatible with Western values,
Speaker 4: with Christendom, and we are inheritors of the Western tradition,
Speaker 4: which is Christendom. And so when we we this trojan horse,
Speaker 4: they've told us what they plan to do. And we
Speaker 4: talked about this with Nate Friedman yesterday. Sure one thee
Speaker 4: to or increase their power until they can overcome our
Speaker 4: civic secular system.
Speaker 2: We have them, We have them.
Speaker 4: Todd, Welcome to the show, Todd Nettleton, Voice of the
Speaker 4: Martyrs and your amazing new book, When Faith Is Forbidden.
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us. I'm so excited to have you,
Speaker 4: and maybe just start with your book, why you wrote
Speaker 4: it and what people need to know about it.
Speaker 5: Well, I've had the privilege for the last twenty eight
Speaker 5: years of serving a Voice of the Martyrs and traveling
Speaker 5: all over the world to sit down with persecuted Christians
Speaker 5: and hear their stories and ask them questions, and inevitably,
Speaker 5: when I get back, I begin to share some of
Speaker 5: those stories, and I'll have somebody in my Sunday school
Speaker 5: class or my Bible study group who says, hey, I
Speaker 5: want to go on a trip with you, can I
Speaker 5: come and that I can't always take people to some
Speaker 5: of the places where Voice of the Martyrs is working,
Speaker 5: but you can come through the pages of this book.
Speaker 5: And so what I've done here is collected forty of
Speaker 5: the most powerful stories that I've heard from persecuted Christians.
Speaker 5: And the book is written sort of as a travelogue. Hey,
Speaker 5: why don't you come with me.
Speaker 9: We're going to go on a.
Speaker 5: Forty day journey together, and every day we're going to
Speaker 5: sit down with a persecuted Christian. We're going to hear
Speaker 5: their story of faithfulness under trial and suffering. And my
Speaker 5: promise to you is when we get back from this
Speaker 5: trip on day forty one, your faith is going to
Speaker 5: look different because when you hang out with persecuted Christians,
Speaker 5: when you hear their stories, you can't help but be inspired.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: And you know, this all makes me think about Iran
Speaker 4: because it's in the news right People don't realize this.
Speaker 4: There are Christians in Iran, and I'm curious, like what,
Speaker 4: you know, how has this war affected them?
Speaker 5: You know, everybody in Iran right now is suffering because
Speaker 5: the economy is completely in shambles. You know, maybe you're
Speaker 5: an electrician b but you can't get wire, you can't
Speaker 5: get supplies, so what do you do? How do you
Speaker 5: go to work? That is affecting Christians as well, but
Speaker 5: they are choosing to tune this into an opportunity to
Speaker 5: be a witness. And one of the things that happens
Speaker 5: during wartime when people are dying around you, people are
Speaker 5: thinking about eternity, and so Christians are using this as
Speaker 5: an opportunity to say, hey, let's talk about eternity. Let's
Speaker 5: talk about how you can know where you're going to
Speaker 5: go after you die. So even in the midst of
Speaker 5: the suffering that's happening, they're using it as an opportunity
Speaker 5: to keep growing the church.
Speaker 2: So we know about the IRGC, that's a military force
Speaker 2: we're engaging in war with, but obviously it's associated with
Speaker 2: the Islamic Revolution. So Christians in Iran, do they face
Speaker 2: persecution by the IRGC, by these state or Paris state elements,
Speaker 2: Like what happens to them? What sort of violence or
Speaker 2: other threats do they have to worry about?
Speaker 5: Well, Christians are targeted, and you know, it's interesting the
Speaker 5: perception in Iran of America is America is a Christian nation,
Speaker 5: and so you know, whatever happens in America, that's what
Speaker 5: Christians do because it's a Christian nation. So if you're
Speaker 5: in Iran and you're an Iranian Christian, you are kind
Speaker 5: of seen as a trader to your own country. You're
Speaker 5: seen as an ally to America. So as the war
Speaker 5: has started and as the fighting has gone on, Iranian
Speaker 5: Christians are seen as being sympathetic at best and traders
Speaker 5: at worst to the enemy, to the people who are attacking,
Speaker 5: and so they are being singled out. We know of
Speaker 5: Christians who have been arrested, We know of Christians who
Speaker 5: have been interrogated, taken to jail, even beaten, even tortured
Speaker 5: during this time because they are seen as allies of America,
Speaker 5: allies of Israel, as opposed to being loyal citizens of Iran.
Speaker 4: You know, I know one of the things that you
Speaker 4: guys do, I got forty seconds in this segment, but
Speaker 4: you send Bibles all over the world, You send them
Speaker 4: to you know, really really rough spots, and I know
Speaker 4: that you've sent them to Iran. If they found like
Speaker 4: a Christian Bible on you, on your person and your home,
Speaker 4: do they face consequences for that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, having a Bible in the language Farsie, the national
Speaker 5: language of Iran, is the illegal, so that you've broken
Speaker 5: the law by having that Bible. I just heard a
Speaker 5: story this week from one of our partners helping deliver
Speaker 5: Bibles into Iran.
Speaker 3: One of their workers just.
Speaker 5: Came out of fifty eight days incarcerated because they found
Speaker 5: him with Farsi Bibles, and in their minds that meant, hey,
Speaker 5: he's a trader, He's connected to America, he's connected to outsiders.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 5: Every single day they interrogated him, they beat him severely.
Speaker 5: In fact, they beat him on the bottoms of his feet, which,
Speaker 5: for those of us a voice of the martyrs, hearkens
Speaker 5: back to our founder Richard Wermbrand, also beaten on the
Speaker 5: bottoms of his feet by the Communists in Romania. But
Speaker 5: this man said he never broke He never gave up
Speaker 5: the names of any other Christians, any of the people
Speaker 5: he was working with. The Other thing, he said, is
Speaker 5: I am closer to Jesus now than I've ever been.
Speaker 5: That suffering experience pushed him closer to christ.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I have a friend who's actually been on the show
Speaker 4: before that experienced similar things. He's actually working to get
Speaker 4: starlinks into Iran so that they can access internet and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 2: But he was.
Speaker 3: Beaten in Pakistan for training up missionaries in Pakistan.
Speaker 4: So stay right there, Todd. I hope this is encouraging you,
Speaker 4: even as terrible as it is, that there are people
Speaker 4: willing to stand on their faith in the most trying
Speaker 4: and terrible situations. Todd, this is a So we kind
Speaker 4: of went through some bad stuff in the first part
Speaker 4: of our interview, but this is so often, you know,
Speaker 4: we hear that expression that the blood of the martyrs
Speaker 4: is the seat of the church. Is this true that
Speaker 4: Iran has the fastest growing Christian church in the world
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 3: Is that possible?
Speaker 5: It is true, and that has been the case for
Speaker 5: the last several years. The fastest growing church in the
Speaker 5: Islamic Republic of Iran. I like to say the full
Speaker 5: name of the country when I say that. And you know,
Speaker 5: one of the interesting things about that is, well, the
Speaker 5: natural question, well, what's driving that? What is driving that
Speaker 5: is the Islamic government of Iran Because since nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 5: the Islamic Revolution, the Mullahs took over the government and
Speaker 5: their promise to the Iranian people was we are going
Speaker 5: to run our country according to Islamic principles. If the
Speaker 5: Quran tells us to do it, that's exactly what we're
Speaker 5: going to do.
Speaker 2: And we're now, you.
Speaker 5: Know, forty plus years later, and the economies in shambles.
Speaker 5: Iran has one of the highest drug addiction rates in
Speaker 5: the world. The people see the corruption in the government
Speaker 5: and they say, well, if this is what it looks
Speaker 5: like after you follow Islamic principles, we don't want to
Speaker 5: follow Islamic principles.
Speaker 3: We want to do something different.
Speaker 5: And so that's part of the reason the gospel is
Speaker 5: spreading so quickly, the church is growing. I've actually had
Speaker 5: Irani and Christians tell me the greatest Christian missionary in
Speaker 5: the history of Iran was the Iatola Komani, the leader.
Speaker 3: Of the Islamic Revolution.
Speaker 2: And You're like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 5: He wasn't even a Christian, but they say, yeah, but
Speaker 5: he showed the true face of Islam, and now the
Speaker 5: people want something different.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 4: I mean, first, the fact that it's the fastest growing
Speaker 4: Christian church I'm assuming per capita, but I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe I wonder about that.
Speaker 2: Just how do you how do you measure this other
Speaker 2: reliable ways we can see this in practice, like how
Speaker 2: do we unreach that conclusion because it's a closed country.
Speaker 5: Of course, it is a close country, and so it
Speaker 5: is difficult, and many of these Christians are isolated. They
Speaker 5: are getting the gospel through social media, they're getting the
Speaker 5: gospel through satellite television, They're not necessarily gathering with US believers.
Speaker 3: But several years.
Speaker 5: Ago, I believe it was a Dutch company that actually
Speaker 5: did a survey, a very broad survey of the Iranian population,
Speaker 5: and they came up with some of these numbers that are,
Speaker 5: like you say, they are startling how much the church
Speaker 5: has grown, how many Iranians say that they're Christians.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: One of the other things that that is meaning inside
Speaker 5: Iran is is so many people are disaffected with Islam
Speaker 5: that oftentimes if a person comes to faith, they don't
Speaker 5: necessarily face the first line of persecution from their family,
Speaker 5: which typical in the Muslim world. Your first line of
Speaker 5: persecution is going to be your dad, your big brother,
Speaker 5: somebody who comes and says, hey, we're a Muslim family.
Speaker 5: If you say you're not a Muslim, you're not part
Speaker 5: of us anymore. In Iran, so many people have rejected Islam,
Speaker 5: and so many people are dissatisfied with Islam that oftentimes
Speaker 5: the family will be like, oh well, hey, if that
Speaker 5: works for you, great, that's fine. So you don't have
Speaker 5: that family person. Now that's not always true. There are
Speaker 5: certainly stories of family persecution, but it is not as
Speaker 5: prevalent in Iran as it is in other parts of
Speaker 5: the Muslim world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so that's I mean, the personal stories are
Speaker 4: really powerful. You have some of these in your book
Speaker 4: here of Iranian Christians. You know, what are they like?
Speaker 4: What are they telling you? What did you learn from him?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: One of the things that they are is they are bold,
Speaker 5: and they have they have grabbed a hold of Christ
Speaker 5: in such a real way that they cannot be talked
Speaker 5: out of it. They cannot be you cannot beat him
Speaker 5: out of them. They are going to follow Jesus. They've
Speaker 5: experienced him. And one of the stories I tell in
Speaker 5: my book is the story of a man who he said,
Speaker 5: as he started to tell me a story, he said,
Speaker 5: now I want you to understand I'm a very competitive person.
Speaker 5: I said, okay, well you know that's fine, and he said, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I'm very competitive, he said. You know, when I was
Speaker 5: in the army, I wanted to be a martyr for
Speaker 5: all within the next twenty four hours, I wanted to
Speaker 5: be a martyr.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 5: When I was a drug addict, I wanted to use
Speaker 5: more drug than any of the other drug addicts were
Speaker 5: using because I wanted to be the best drug addict.
Speaker 5: And he said, you know, that addiction took him literally
Speaker 5: to the point of death, and God rescued him. He
Speaker 5: had a miraculous supernatural experience where he met Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ took away that addiction and healed him from
Speaker 5: that addiction. And then that competitive nature turned in a
Speaker 5: different direction because now he wants to be the best
Speaker 5: disciple that Jesus has ever had, and he wants to
Speaker 5: be the best evangelist. He wants to talk to every
Speaker 5: single person he meets about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: And you know, I tell in the book, if you
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 5: Inside Iran, pretty soon you're going to be in a
Speaker 5: police station or you're going to be in a jail cell.
Speaker 5: And he even shared a story of leading someone to
Speaker 5: Christ inside the police station. And so he is determined
Speaker 5: to be the best disciple that Jesus has ever had.
Speaker 3: That's so great.
Speaker 4: And I heard some similar stories from Pakistan, especially when
Speaker 4: Charlie was assassinated that. I mean, do you think that
Speaker 4: the running Christians did they hear about this? I know
Speaker 4: it's a close I'm assuming they heard it. Seems like
Speaker 4: everybody on planet Earth did. But did did you hear
Speaker 4: any of that?
Speaker 2: Did they?
Speaker 4: Were they inspired by his life in that way?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: I haven't heard stories like that, and I don't know
Speaker 5: how much you know. There would be summer audience that
Speaker 5: would certainly be in tune with international news. There would
Speaker 5: be some that are completely cut off, but I haven't
Speaker 5: heard those stories yet.
Speaker 4: Well, I would love for you to ask about them,
Speaker 4: because my pastor friend was training missionaries in Pakistan said
Speaker 4: they were like bold as lions right after Charlie was killed.
Speaker 4: And I hope that people in this audience and that
Speaker 4: love Charlie and that followed the show that followed turning Point,
Speaker 4: that you would have a special place in your heart
Speaker 4: for martyrs and supporting voice of the martyrs.
Speaker 2: And what they're doing.
Speaker 4: And we wanted to make it an option so people
Speaker 4: can get your book, Todd. So the if you go
Speaker 4: to VOM Voice of the Martyrs vom dot org slash Charlie.
Speaker 4: You guys are making this available for everybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we will send it to you for free. Just
Speaker 5: give us your name and address. Part of our ministry
Speaker 5: is telling these stories to Christians and free nations, and
Speaker 5: that's why we give the book away for free.
Speaker 3: I love that so again.
Speaker 4: The url is v O m dot org slash Charlie.
Speaker 4: V O m dot org slash Charlie. Get this book please,
Speaker 4: you know, I we ask a lot of our audience.
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Speaker 3: They're great people. Thank you, Todd.
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Speaker 3: We love this hour.
Speaker 4: We got Danny, Danny's in the house. Danny, you know
Speaker 4: your Cubs swept my Dodgers and.
Speaker 10: It was pretty good.
Speaker 2: We've got a great m VP fight between Pete Crow
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Shoeotani each had two home runs in the
Speaker 2: same game. Yeah, it was. It was frustrating.
Speaker 3: We got that Scooball guy and we just went on
Speaker 3: this six game. That's what I'm saying. Baseball is crazy.
Speaker 4: You could have the biggest budget in all of baseball
Speaker 4: and not win the World Series.
Speaker 3: Look at the Mets. Look at the Mets.
Speaker 11: For the Mets are got awful a lot of people there.
Speaker 11: There are a team, the Milwaukee Brewers have one of
Speaker 11: the lowest payrolls in baseball.
Speaker 3: And to look look at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 11: Another another reason why salary cap is ridiculous because it
Speaker 11: really doesn't. I mean, it can help you be better,
Speaker 11: but you should not institute a salary cap, and baseball
Speaker 11: would ruin the game.
Speaker 3: You know what it is. This is not what we
Speaker 3: planned on talking about here. But let's you need a
Speaker 3: villain in baseball.
Speaker 4: You need, like everybody loves rooting against the Dodgers and
Speaker 4: the Yankees.
Speaker 2: You're right, I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's no and I embrace it. You should root
Speaker 4: against this because we're good and we spent a lot
Speaker 4: of money.
Speaker 2: To be good.
Speaker 10: Well, and none of your team is even American too, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not true.
Speaker 11: I mean that, yeah, basically, Kyle Tucker's you're only really
Speaker 11: American player. But Fred Freeman, I mean everybody else you
Speaker 11: just hit from Japan and all the other countries.
Speaker 3: Mookie Betts is American? What is your problem?
Speaker 10: What do you mean the Dodgers clearly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently so you lie about him. Geez, that's not cool.
Speaker 4: All right, hold on, So our first question, we have
Speaker 4: a great question here. It's about the birthright citizenship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yes, ye yeah.
Speaker 2: Don.
Speaker 11: Ali, guys, I saw our President Trump is trying to
Speaker 11: get birthright citizenship banned again.
Speaker 10: I was wondering if he has the chance this time.
Speaker 2: All right, I was looking forward. I was wondering if
Speaker 2: we would talk about this earlier in the show, and
Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance. So I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: asked this question. So this dropped yesterday. I believe from
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, this is them trying to respond to
Speaker 2: deal with the unfortunate Supreme Court ruling, which is wrong,
Speaker 2: but which was wrong. But birthright citizenship is a constitutional right.
Speaker 2: But they're trying to work with what we have, which is,
Speaker 2: for example, if you are a foreign invader, you are
Speaker 2: not supposed to benefit from this. You know, invading foreign
Speaker 2: armies is a traditional exception, and foreign ambassadors is a
Speaker 2: traditional exception. So they're trying to work work within the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court's ruling to get whatever give they can. And
Speaker 2: so what we have here is they had four categories
Speaker 2: that they say even after this ruling, they think they
Speaker 2: can still ban them. So first they say, if either
Speaker 2: parent is an alien enemy, and they define this as
Speaker 2: any member of a designated foreign terrorist organization. And so
Speaker 2: obviously that classically means say al Qaeda was an alien
Speaker 2: terrorist organization. But for example, if you're a member of
Speaker 2: I believe HESBLA, we recognize that a lot of people
Speaker 2: are members of HESBLA, amus, a lot of people are
Speaker 2: affiliated with a mus Muslim brother. We have a lot
Speaker 2: of foreign terrorist organizations and the cartels. If you're working
Speaker 2: with a cartel, we've designated those, So if you've worked
Speaker 2: with them, they're going to try to classify you as
Speaker 2: an enemy alien and they'll look for those connections there.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the things they're going after. They're
Speaker 2: also saying if you are a foreign government employee, which
Speaker 2: obviously means foreign ambassadors, but if you're a foreign national
Speaker 2: who works at their embassy, they're going to classify you
Speaker 2: as that. They also say, if you're part of an
Speaker 2: international organization that has foreign organization immunities. So I think
Speaker 2: that's like employees of the United Nations, for example, who
Speaker 2: are from abroad, have certain special.
Speaker 3: Privileges, show that up with the government.
Speaker 2: Exactly, stuff like that. And then they also throw in
Speaker 2: if you're taking part in birth tourism scams as they
Speaker 2: define them, So if you're sailing into US territorial waters
Speaker 2: to give birth, they're trying to classify that as an invasion.
Speaker 2: So will this hold up. I'm pretty optimistic on the
Speaker 2: foreign terrorist one. I think they have good grounds to
Speaker 2: stand on. I think our Supreme Court might rule in
Speaker 2: their favor on that one. I'm worried about the birth
Speaker 2: tourism one. I think it's so easy to imagine John
Speaker 2: Roberts punting on that and going, well, Dotes, Actually that's
Speaker 2: the Congress's job to decide that.
Speaker 3: So here's what I think happened.
Speaker 4: I think Alito or Clarence Thomas or maybe some of
Speaker 4: their clerks went in and said, hey, craft it like this.
Speaker 4: We were inside the deliberations, and you should craft it
Speaker 4: like this because this will probably pass muster.
Speaker 3: So I actually am very optimistic about it.
Speaker 4: I'm also really excited you asked this question because there's
Speaker 4: this viral clip going around of a seventy five year
Speaker 4: old John Gannon.
Speaker 3: He's a lifelong Republican.
Speaker 4: He voted for President Trump, but unfortunately for him, his
Speaker 4: Latin lover got picked up by ICE and now he's
Speaker 4: real upset about it. I just wanted an excuse to
Speaker 4: play it. It's not ted I voted for Trump.
Speaker 6: I am saying that they are picking up law and
Speaker 6: biting citizens.
Speaker 12: They're destroying families, jobs.
Speaker 13: John Gannon is a seventy five year old businessman and
Speaker 13: lifelong Republican who supported President Trump twenty twenty four.
Speaker 14: I wouldn't do that again, not after this fiasco.
Speaker 13: His fiance, forty five year old venice Ulan immigrant Yas
Speaker 13: Mesas Ridges, was detained by ICE at George Bush Intercontinental
Speaker 13: Airport in Houston in late July.
Speaker 2: By the way, she's not he owes Trump than like
Speaker 2: seventy five forty five year old visa overstay bride. That's
Speaker 2: what it was.
Speaker 3: That's what the post said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, who knows how old it is.
Speaker 3: I guarantee the producers were like, let's say.
Speaker 4: She's forty five, not thirty, because we're gonna get more
Speaker 4: sympathy if she's forty five. No, this guy just about
Speaker 4: fell into one of the classic traps, the gold digger trap.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that she's a gold digger. I am, yeah,
Speaker 3: but she messing with a broke guy here. Let's just
Speaker 3: keep it like that.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is, instead of being like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not gonna vote for Republicans there anymore.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should say thank you, thank you. I bet
Speaker 4: if this guy has kids, they are saying thank you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he owes Trump a big thank you on this.
Speaker 4: Those kids are gonna be let's hope he has like
Speaker 4: five children and from his first wife or second one,
Speaker 4: and they are all thanking the good Lord in heaven.
Speaker 4: That there is a thing called ice and it picks
Speaker 4: up illegals and it gets them the heck out of
Speaker 4: this country, and and and the other thing we have
Speaker 4: to correct. We have to correct air here. One of
Speaker 4: our jobs is correct air. This guy is so self
Speaker 4: absorbed and probably I mean, I hate to use the word,
Speaker 4: but you know, I'll try. And he's driven by his.
Speaker 3: Libido or whatever.
Speaker 4: Okay, He that that he can't see the forest through
Speaker 4: the trees. He cannot realize that he has been hoodwinked
Speaker 4: by a woman that wants his money, and he now
Speaker 4: is saying.
Speaker 3: He doesn't support this is okay.
Speaker 4: I got in trouble on X last night because I
Speaker 4: commented on this and I said, this is a generational divide.
Speaker 4: And then you know, quickly a lot of people over
Speaker 4: a certain age said, hey, don't care me in on that.
Speaker 4: I'm not counting you people in this audience. You are
Speaker 4: absolutely immune from this. But when we say we want
Speaker 4: them all out, we want them all out that. I
Speaker 4: don't care if you have a Latin lover, I don't
Speaker 4: care if you got a maid or something that you
Speaker 4: think is really sweet. They are not law abiding, he said,
Speaker 4: He says, he says she's law abiding.
Speaker 3: No, she broke the law.
Speaker 2: She's a beast overstay.
Speaker 3: She broke the law.
Speaker 4: So why don't you go move to Venezuela and you
Speaker 4: can marry her there? You have options, sir John Gannon.
Speaker 4: You can move to Venezuela. It might become the fifty
Speaker 4: first state if President Trump has anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: So you could still say you're American, Yes, a hero
Speaker 4: sympathy for these people.
Speaker 3: Blake thirty seconds. It's say something profound.
Speaker 2: Something something profound. Uh No, it's we see this sometimetime.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: In the end, our country has been stripped bare because
Speaker 2: someone everyone wants their special exception. Yeah. I don't like immigration,
Speaker 2: but like I need these lower income workers. I can't
Speaker 2: fill these jobs. I can't get a woman who's interested
Speaker 2: in me who's thirty years or more younger than I am. No,
Speaker 2: just guys, our country has been picked clean by the world.
Speaker 2: Were able to close it off, and the people who
Speaker 2: aren't supposed to be here need to go back.
Speaker 3: We have rules and.
Speaker 4: You everybody wants to say the rules don't apply to me.
Speaker 4: You are a symptom of the disease. Sir, all right,
Speaker 4: next question, who we got?
Speaker 10: We have Jonathan.
Speaker 3: Jonathan, Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshow please unmute yourself? I
Speaker 3: did how goes? That's going? Well, it's Friday.
Speaker 15: Good to hear.
Speaker 3: How are you doing? What can we do for you?
Speaker 15: Can we expect to Save America Act to pass the
Speaker 15: for November, and we'll have the Supreme Court make mass
Speaker 15: mail and thus encountering after election day illegal before November.
Speaker 3: What was the second part of that?
Speaker 11: Sorry, well, the Supreme Court make mass mail in ballots
Speaker 11: illegal before November.
Speaker 15: Counting after election day before.
Speaker 2: Oh well, they unfortunately already ruled on that counting. He
Speaker 2: was counting them after election day. Think we got that
Speaker 2: ruling and it was disappointing.
Speaker 3: Was it like five days after something?
Speaker 2: It was it was after the arbitrary it was an
Speaker 2: arbitrary date now, oh yeah, yeah, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it was some number of days more than
Speaker 2: zero but less than forty or whatever California has been
Speaker 2: getting away with. I would have to double check it, though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you check that?
Speaker 4: So I actually have been texting with my senator friends.
Speaker 4: I have one senator tell me fifty percent chance and
Speaker 4: another one tell me twenty five percent chance likely.
Speaker 3: And the likely is So they're.
Speaker 4: Going to come back from their August recess, which is
Speaker 4: really like a six month or six week recess, and
Speaker 4: they're going to come back and they're going to basically
Speaker 4: work for two weeks, and then they're going to take
Speaker 4: another break because the Senate is a joke, and they're
Speaker 4: going to try and pass it through reconciliation, and then
Speaker 4: they're going to have an issue with the bird bath, right,
Speaker 4: which is the Senate parliamentary and can't it get through
Speaker 4: the Senate rules. In order to be a part of reconciliation,
Speaker 4: it needs to have a budgetary component to it, right,
Speaker 4: so it needs to be tied with some sort of spending.
Speaker 4: And their gimmick to do this is the real ID.
Speaker 4: So they are willing to grant billions of dollars to
Speaker 4: the states to support real ID, which has already been passed,
Speaker 4: and they would be willing to accept a real ID
Speaker 4: which takes I mean, it's like a birth certificate. You
Speaker 4: have to have more documentation in order to get a
Speaker 4: real ID, but that obviously costs the state's money to
Speaker 4: issue those IDs.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the gimmick.
Speaker 4: The question is will it pass the parlam Senate parliamentary muster.
Speaker 4: Now this is a Democrat I believe that was appointed
Speaker 4: under Harry Reid. There is precedent Trent Lott did it.
Speaker 4: You can fire the Senate parliamentarian. Do I have any
Speaker 4: hope of John Thune firing a Senate parliamentarian if she
Speaker 4: blocks this through reconciliation?
Speaker 3: No, I do not, So.
Speaker 4: I would put that likelihood closer to twenty five percent.
Speaker 4: The old that the twenty five percent is that they
Speaker 4: write it in such a way they're careful enough that
Speaker 4: the Senate Parliamentary can't in any good faith block the
Speaker 4: UH the passage of this through reconciliation. I just don't
Speaker 4: have any faith in John Thune. I've openly called for
Speaker 4: him to be replaced. I think he is a coward.
Speaker 4: I think he is not willing to confront his wayward
Speaker 4: members and he's not willing to push them to do
Speaker 4: what the will of the people. So I have zero
Speaker 4: faith in John Thune, and I think he's been a
Speaker 4: complete and utter disappointment. Why don't you just call the
Speaker 4: mode and put their make them put their names on
Speaker 4: on the line, tell us who is against it.
Speaker 3: That's it, That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 15: And then is there another question about what about the
Speaker 15: massmail on ballots? Will they make that illegal?
Speaker 3: Will remember?
Speaker 2: Well, well, so mass mail? So they did rule. This
Speaker 2: was Watson versus RNC. It happened at the end of June.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately THEYD just rule that if a ballot is
Speaker 2: postmarked by election day, states are allowed to count them after.
Speaker 3: It's like up to five days after.
Speaker 2: Something I don't see in the summer rams scene. They
Speaker 2: don't say a specifically, they.
Speaker 11: Don't They just say up, if as long as it
Speaker 11: was postmarked, like Illinois allows ballots up to fourteen days.
Speaker 11: Illinois allows fourteen days after the election.
Speaker 3: For ballots to come in if they're postmark.
Speaker 10: If they're postmark, I mean, that's ridiculous anyway.
Speaker 3: So unfortunately that's not gonna happen either.
Speaker 2: Okay, So glorious Supreme Court. I should know. They disappoint
Speaker 2: us a lot. But I will note because people flip
Speaker 2: out a lot, they are the most we get the
Speaker 2: most wins from them out of any organization, and.
Speaker 3: They're still going to pack them. I think.
Speaker 4: I think part of the calculus with these guys is
Speaker 4: that they don't want to sort of be they don't
Speaker 4: want to be perceived as two partisans, so they're trying
Speaker 4: to give wins to both sides where they feel like
Speaker 4: they can. It doesn't matter. This is the eat me
Speaker 4: last mentality. This is what's happening to the Democrat establishment.
Speaker 4: And talked about this an hour one. They unleash all
Speaker 4: this garbage and they're going to be consumed by all
Speaker 4: this garbage that they So it doesn't matter. These these
Speaker 4: animal passions that get unleashed, they will consume the institutions
Speaker 4: that undergird the constitutional republic upon which we you know stand.
Speaker 4: So anyways, the point is at this is the Supreme Court.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 4: If these these these animals get enough power, they will
Speaker 4: completely pack the Supreme Court. They want to abolish the Senate,
Speaker 4: they want to abolish the presidency.
Speaker 3: Now did you see this, I see this one.
Speaker 4: Yes, they're making the candidate's DSA. Candidates vow that they
Speaker 4: will work to a. I mean, you basically have to
Speaker 4: tear down the entire constitutional system, because that's the constitution itself.
Speaker 2: That is the goal, the goal. I mean, so much
Speaker 2: of this it is really just it is burn it
Speaker 2: all down. It is a pure animal passion. And like
Speaker 2: they it's like a dog chasing car. They don't know
Speaker 2: what they would do after they got it. Uh, you
Speaker 2: can find this. There's actually a I think it's called
Speaker 2: like Manifesto of a Revolutionary and it was a work
Speaker 2: by a Russian revolutionary way before the Bolsheviks, even late
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. And you read this thing and he just
Speaker 2: says the only thing that matters is the revolution, and
Speaker 2: like that's what you live for, and it's not he
Speaker 2: actually it doesn't describe what the program is after the revolution.
Speaker 2: The point is they don't have destroyed, the point is
Speaker 2: rip it all down. It's a very animous, anger based, ideologiful, resentful.
Speaker 3: So I wish we had better news for you.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, when you give a bunch of country club
Speaker 4: Republicans power, they want their Latin lovers and they want
Speaker 4: their vacations.
Speaker 3: Sadly, that is the case, and I.
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Speaker 3: Take the next question we got John. Hey, guys, how
Speaker 3: you doing today?
Speaker 2: We're doing lovely good.
Speaker 3: John. Hey, I hope you are having a blessed day.
Speaker 3: So I've got a question.
Speaker 9: I'm going to give you two premises of the question,
Speaker 9: and it's about public education. The first is public education,
Speaker 9: in my mind, is currently a monopoly since they get
Speaker 9: your money even if you don't send your kids public schools.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 9: Secondly, the indoctrination and the failure of public schools is
Speaker 9: a common denominator that runs through pretty much every societal
Speaker 9: ill that we have. So many of the topics that
Speaker 9: you guys discussed, a lot of it can go back
Speaker 9: to public education. So you guys have had a lot
Speaker 9: of discussion about the education tax credits.
Speaker 3: So my question is what is.
Speaker 9: The mechanism within that tax credits to have a negative
Speaker 9: financial consequences to starve public schools and teachers' unions says
Speaker 9: that we can start making major reforms to public education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a lot of thoughts, but well so
Speaker 2: I guess when you say it's always people generally do
Speaker 2: like their public schools, whether they should or not. So
Speaker 2: you don't HONESSARI want to use the ryder cup, Oh
Speaker 2: starve them or whatever. But what this is really about
Speaker 2: is it's about control, it's about choice. Teachers' unions historically
Speaker 2: they love the idea of getting to shape your child's mind.
Speaker 2: You can endlessly find them bragging about this online in
Speaker 2: their chat So they're parents think that they control their kids.
Speaker 2: But I spend more time with their kids than they do.
Speaker 2: They'll smugly talk about this.
Speaker 3: These many children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they steadily are getting more ideologically extreme, more entitled,
Speaker 2: more mentally unwell. A lot of very bad people seem
Speaker 2: to go into this field. And the best case for
Speaker 2: these education tax credits is quite simple. How you raise
Speaker 2: your child is your decision to make. You should not
Speaker 2: be compelled to, as you say, to send them to
Speaker 2: a public school because that's the only option and you're
Speaker 2: forced to pay for it. You should have the option
Speaker 2: to have your tax dollars and you should be able
Speaker 2: to spend them how you like, which might be private school,
Speaker 2: might be homeschooling materials, might be some sort of hybrid model,
Speaker 2: some sort of school startup. America is great for that.
Speaker 2: We have incredible entrepreneurship in the field of education, and
Speaker 2: that is what people should have. They should not be
Speaker 2: forced to go to one school that is failing them.
Speaker 4: Here's to answer your question in a more technical way.
Speaker 4: Though schools are paid on a per pupil basis. Okay, so,
Speaker 4: and I guess the average amount in the United States
Speaker 4: is about seventeen, six hundred and nineteen dollars per student spending.
Speaker 4: Some of that comes from state some of that comes
Speaker 4: from local government, some of it comes from federal funding.
Speaker 4: So when you pull enough students out of a public school,
Speaker 4: then their per pupil allotment goes down. And if it
Speaker 4: goes down enough, then guess what they have to stop hiring.
Speaker 4: They stop hiring teachers. They stop doing this. When you
Speaker 4: don't have as many teachers getting hired by public schools,
Speaker 4: the public school unions, the teachers unions will shrink in size.
Speaker 4: Why is that important? Because they are Democrats, super PACs
Speaker 4: that work against conservative values. They spend all their political
Speaker 4: money on Democrats because Democrats give them whatever they want.
Speaker 3: Can't fire students your teachers. You don't want them.
Speaker 4: To snitch on somebody else if somebody else has been
Speaker 4: accused of sexual perversion against a minor. This stuff is like,
Speaker 4: I mean, the crazy stuff that you see in these
Speaker 4: teachers unions is the saying, and they're getting publicly funded
Speaker 4: by you. We are publicly paying these teachers to pay
Speaker 4: dues into the teachers unions to then use that money
Speaker 4: as a super pack for Democrats.
Speaker 2: It's such a rap.
Speaker 4: Peel them out of the public schools and break the back.
Speaker 4: But Blake's point is politically right. Teach parents deserve choice.
Speaker 4: That should be our messaging. But we should also And
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 2: Worry about that loss of funding, but I mean, they
Speaker 2: have so much political power in any Democrat state, they
Speaker 2: can have them additional funding. Yeah, you break it. What
Speaker 2: they really feel here is I think the meta point,
Speaker 2: which is if a critical mass of people are opting
Speaker 2: in favor of private schools homeschooling using these uh, these vouchers,
Speaker 2: essentially that they realize, oh I can take this money
Speaker 2: and get something better and it's free or cheaper. They'll
Speaker 2: break the dependency, they'll break the assumption that this is
Speaker 2: what people need, and then people could really dial back
Speaker 2: public education.
Speaker 4: Well in Arizona, if you and you made this point,
Speaker 4: they get the money anyway, not in Arizona. And I
Speaker 4: think Texas and Florida are the same. Now, if you
Speaker 4: pull your child out of public schools and you put
Speaker 4: them in a Christian private school, guess what you get
Speaker 4: seventy five hundred bucks allotted to that private school.
Speaker 3: So you're actually taking money out of the public.
Speaker 4: School system in the state of Arizona, which is why
Speaker 4: they wanted to defeat it and why we're fighting back
Speaker 4: against it in Arizona. Let's get to the next question,
Speaker 4: because I know we got a bunch of piling up.
Speaker 10: Next question we got is Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth, welcome to the show. Please ummute yourself.
Speaker 14: Yeah, hi, y eighth, they hear me. Yes, Okay, So
Speaker 14: I have a lot of concerns. I'm older than you, guys,
Speaker 14: I'm gen X. My high school actually had a student
Speaker 14: exchange program with the Soviet Union. We actually had kids
Speaker 14: in Moscow when Chernobyl happened. They were like collected up
Speaker 14: at like four in the morning from the KGB and
Speaker 14: put in a flight back to the United States. Like
Speaker 14: I could tell you horror stories about the Soviet Union
Speaker 14: because everybody who came back was always horror, like waxy
Speaker 14: toilet paper, four hour wait at the one McDonald's, and
Speaker 14: it was a one week paycheck to like get a cheeseburger,
Speaker 14: which was like not even good meat. In the Soviet Union.
Speaker 14: They couldn't say anything, like they were always being guarded
Speaker 14: and watched by the KGB on these exchange programs. I
Speaker 14: don't know if you guys ever saw the movie The
Speaker 14: Death of Stalin, I think really kind of epitomizes how
Speaker 14: bad it is.
Speaker 2: You just see it.
Speaker 14: We had to spend all of our high school rasy
Speaker 14: money for children of Chernobyl because all of the kids
Speaker 14: had fyword cancer from Chernobyl. Chernobyl didn't happen just because
Speaker 14: there was a nuclear meltdown. Chernobyl happened because anybody who
Speaker 14: knew what was happening or how bad it was was
Speaker 14: never going to say anything because their family would have
Speaker 14: been disappeared. Like how do we get this through to
Speaker 14: gen Z that I am so sorry you can't afford
Speaker 14: a burrito right now, But there are no burritos in communism,
Speaker 14: and we will get to burrito affordable. It's just gonna
Speaker 14: take a while. Like, how do we really emphasize this
Speaker 14: to beause it's.
Speaker 2: As you say, it is tough. When we were growing
Speaker 2: up then there was a much better understanding of why
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union is so bad. And yet I will
Speaker 2: note that the same people who were radicals today were
Speaker 2: huge simps for the Soviet Union. They would make endless excuses,
Speaker 2: they would run in appearance for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would.
Speaker 2: They would make the Soviet Union come back and be like,
Speaker 2: I've seen the future and it works, and they have
Speaker 2: more freedom than we do.
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson did that video talking about Moscow's grocery store.
Speaker 2: Well, well, so, an interesting thing I will say is
Speaker 2: one reason it's tougher is we do see competing systems.
Speaker 2: And this is why we have an important responsibility to
Speaker 2: fix our own problems. Because, for example, people worry about China,
Speaker 2: and China is very authoritarian in a ton of ways.
Speaker 2: It's not a free country in so many ways, doesn't
Speaker 2: have the rights we do. But what is different between
Speaker 2: them and the Soviet Union is they don't have that
Speaker 2: same obvious lack of prosperity that you'd go to the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union and every would be in a line. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to all show up before seven am on
Speaker 2: meat day at the supermarket or you're not going to
Speaker 2: get any meat and the meat will be bad. China
Speaker 2: has a very rapidly growing economy. They have a lot
Speaker 2: of technological success. They're getting richer every year, and so
Speaker 2: people are able to look at that and go, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there is something to their system. Or they're
Speaker 2: able to look at another authoritarian country like Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: or something, and they'll look at those countries and say, there, yeah, Dubai,
Speaker 2: they're able to build things and we struggle to build things,
Speaker 2: and they don't seem to have bums on the street.
Speaker 2: And that's really what Tucker was showing when he went to,
Speaker 2: for example, that Russian supermarket, which was oh, it seems
Speaker 2: like it's affordable fifteen Moscow. It's basically there's misleading things
Speaker 2: about it. But we do have to make sure we
Speaker 2: can fix these crises in the US, because it is
Speaker 2: really the problems in the US that are making it
Speaker 2: so appealing to look for another system. And it's like
Speaker 2: we said earlier, it's a lot of it is resentment
Speaker 2: and anger driven. And they're not even really thinking what
Speaker 2: is socialism other than it's a word for I don't
Speaker 2: like what's going on, and I want to blow everything
Speaker 2: up and burn it all down.
Speaker 3: I agree with Blake. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 4: The truth is that you know, they all believe that
Speaker 4: it hasn't been tried the right way. Yet they all
Speaker 4: think that their version of this is going to somehow
Speaker 4: net something different. And I was actually I posted this
Speaker 4: on my x feed last night about Milton Friedman would
Speaker 4: say that inflation is the great robber, right. Milton Friedman
Speaker 4: was in favor of limiting the supply of money and
Speaker 4: getting economists out of that and just increasing it by
Speaker 4: about three percent every year and telling the economists stop
Speaker 4: doing anything else, balance your budget, stop printing money willy
Speaker 4: nilly three percent every year, because only DC can make inflation.
Speaker 4: And the great robber right now is inflation. What happened
Speaker 4: during Biden was the roadmap to radicalize politics because guess what,
Speaker 4: it's that Ke shaped economy where everybody who didn't own
Speaker 4: assets or equities or homes is getting squeezed and everybody
Speaker 4: who did is getting richer. So we have this k
Speaker 4: shaped economy. It's a huge, huge problem, and it will
Speaker 4: radicalize our politics. But where to Blake's point, we have
Speaker 4: to look in the mirror and say, this happened because
Speaker 4: we spent too much money. We printed money into oblivion
Speaker 4: and sadly that's You're right. It will get better if
Speaker 4: we do a certain number of things long enough. And
Speaker 4: the pitch we have to make to young people is
Speaker 4: get literate in your in economics, because we have a
Speaker 4: lot of financial illiteracy in this country, especially with gen Z.
Speaker 4: But you've got to give it time. And so we
Speaker 4: are in a race against the clock. So does that
Speaker 4: answer your question? Does that answer your question here?
Speaker 14: I think so. But I wish they knew that Alger
Speaker 14: Hiss was evil and that, you know, Joe McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Was right, Alger Hiss Man, Algie Hiss. That's a deep
Speaker 2: cut now people do not know about Oh yeah, for seconds.
Speaker 2: So algerr Hiss, he was a guy in the State department,
Speaker 2: a pretty pretty senior in the State Department, like was
Speaker 2: involved in a lot of key decisions. And then it
Speaker 2: was revealed. I believe it was Whittaker Chambers accused him
Speaker 2: of this and just pointed out as like, Algier, you
Speaker 2: were a communist in the thirties, and you know you've
Speaker 2: never publicly disavowed this year, you might still be a communist.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact thing he said, and he
Speaker 2: denied this. And basically it wasn't even just that, it
Speaker 2: was that he turned out to be a Soviet spy.
Speaker 2: And this was this is big lib caused celeb forties, fifties, sixties,
Speaker 2: really through the end of the Cold War. Was how
Speaker 2: he was vilified and shamed and they lied about him
Speaker 2: and called him a Soviet spy just to smear him.
Speaker 2: Cold War ended. We got the Soviet archives, algerhis was
Speaker 2: a Soviet spie.
Speaker 3: It's probably a lot more of those around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Nixon took him down. So that's the great
Speaker 2: Nixon win Nixon.
Speaker 3: We should talk about the rise of Nixon. This is fun.
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Speaker 3: Who's up next.
Speaker 2: Uh do we want to do Anthony next?
Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll just do Anthony.
Speaker 2: All right, Anthony? What's your question?
Speaker 16: Hey guys? And to answer the Dodger thing, Freeman is
Speaker 16: a fifty to fifty because she plays Canada.
Speaker 10: Okay, so take count him.
Speaker 11: Then only you have only three Americans in the entire
Speaker 11: starting lineup three and a half really.
Speaker 2: American, he's like.
Speaker 3: Foreign, he is Nolpe.
Speaker 16: He plays her team Canada when it comes time for
Speaker 16: Worldplay because of his mother, because she's Canadian. God rest
Speaker 16: her soul.
Speaker 3: We love our good Canadian. All right, So Anthony, what's
Speaker 3: your question? All right?
Speaker 16: Here's my question. Are local communities going to care what
Speaker 16: the citizens say about when these Islam centers want to
Speaker 16: come up? Because we see McKinney, Texas, they bought five
Speaker 16: acres of land they want to put up some sort
Speaker 16: of Islamic center and people have spoken out about it,
Speaker 16: but I think the board voted seven nothing in favor
Speaker 16: to build it. And actually one person who spoke has
Speaker 16: been going viral on social media. He was a former
Speaker 16: Islam and now he's a Christian. He's like blowing the
Speaker 16: lid off. How bad Shuri a law is. But like,
Speaker 16: do local communities care or are they just going to
Speaker 16: side with Islam?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I saw this story. Your state is demolishing in its
Speaker 4: own history? Yeah yeah, yeah, this has happened in Oliver, Texas.
Speaker 2: My gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to get Amy Mech on the show soon,
Speaker 4: who has been working really hard on this. I've been
Speaker 4: talking to her behind the scenes.
Speaker 10: Texas is a problem.
Speaker 3: This is a huge problem.
Speaker 4: And I will tell you when I go to Texas,
Speaker 4: it's almost like the kids are so used to this
Speaker 4: brand of Texas being hard right that they want to
Speaker 4: rebel against it, just because they don't understand that everybody
Speaker 4: has been moving to their state because it's a great place,
Speaker 4: and their their traditional values that they suddenly want to
Speaker 4: reject are also what makes it so great. So there's
Speaker 4: just no appreciation for their heritage in their past. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, these city councils are out of line, and
Speaker 4: who knows what's happening. Either they don't want to be
Speaker 4: called the racist word, they don't want the R word
Speaker 4: to happen, or there's money involved. There's pressure from development developers.
Speaker 4: Texas has a real big problem with developers just running
Speaker 4: rough shot over the state. They're ripping up farmland left
Speaker 4: and right. They love they love building homes on old
Speaker 4: farms and things like that, and then you've got this
Speaker 4: whole move. I mean, there's a Oftentimes Tyler will say
Speaker 4: this about Arizona. The lefties in Arizona are radical lefties,
Speaker 4: like we have the craziest lefties. If you go around
Speaker 4: the state, it feels like a center right state. It
Speaker 4: very much does. You can feel the spirit of the people.
Speaker 4: But the lefties that we have are radical, and I
Speaker 4: think Texas is the same way. Look at this picture
Speaker 4: of throw it up of James tal Rico and this gal.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is an image of Texas. If we can,
Speaker 4: I guess we can't, all right, if you throw it up,
Speaker 4: I mean you'll see what I mean here James tal Rico.
Speaker 4: So I don't know exactly the underlying story here of
Speaker 4: this particular city council, but the town came out and
Speaker 4: just raged against them, and they still voted to pass this.
Speaker 4: And I believe that Texas now has the same second
Speaker 4: most mosques or is it the third. It's like New York, California.
Speaker 3: To it's top three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big state. So yeah, it's a big state.
Speaker 4: But I mean it's Texas. It's crazy and they are
Speaker 4: trying to conquer. Do you know any specifics about this case.
Speaker 11: Not in this specific one, Well, I know, yeah, the
Speaker 11: areas that aren't getting conquered by Mohammedan's and Islam are
Speaker 11: getting conquered, conquered by Indians.
Speaker 10: So the whole the whole state is just being right.
Speaker 16: Like Crisco is big.
Speaker 3: Frisco, Texas, which is.
Speaker 4: A very wealthy is very big Indians liberal bastion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see Austin Yep.
Speaker 4: Demolate of a of a century old of the century
Speaker 4: old houses nineteen oh six, nineteen oh eight nu Asis.
Speaker 3: Historical Landmark Landmark.
Speaker 4: Commission was told it has zero power to stop it
Speaker 4: because of a twenty nineteen state law protects religious organizations
Speaker 4: from local historic review. No hearing, no debate, just gone.
Speaker 4: And uh yeah, it's wild, It's it's terrifying. We got
Speaker 4: a couple more questions here, Anthony, we're going to get
Speaker 4: to thank you for calling in.
Speaker 3: Who's next, let's do Julia?
Speaker 2: Julia?
Speaker 3: All right, Julia, what's your question?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 3: Um mute yourself.
Speaker 2: Julia. Uh, well, we're running out of time, so how
Speaker 2: about we read her question. Then she says, when did
Speaker 2: Charlie spend time reading the Bible? He was so busy,
Speaker 2: so I'm curious to know how he managed his time. Danny,
Speaker 2: you might know that one best.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean he read it all the time on
Speaker 11: the planes that we take and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 11: He was always studying from it too. Frank Turk was
Speaker 11: a good friend of his who he's always then communicating
Speaker 11: with him to further his understanding of stuff. So apologetically, Yeah, apologetics,
Speaker 11: and yeah, the rest of the time he did it
Speaker 11: by himself, quietly at home.
Speaker 2: He did it at home a lot. I think one
Speaker 2: thing about Charlie is he was a busy guy. But
Speaker 2: I think one thing we have to emphasize is how
Speaker 2: Charlie was highly effective and efficient with his time. So,
Speaker 2: for example, we know he was really busy, yet Charlie
Speaker 2: was not a guy who was at the office at
Speaker 2: nine pm every night, which is maybe your classic workaholic thing.
Speaker 2: Charlie actually did try to get home at a reasonable
Speaker 2: hour with his family, and so I think a lot
Speaker 2: of this. He would talk about studying all the Dennis
Speaker 2: Prager courses. He would go home. He would be listening
Speaker 2: to that while arriving. He would be doing that at
Speaker 2: home while he's with his family.
Speaker 4: He watched every single fireside chat too, which was pretty fun.
Speaker 4: And he read the Bible series of the Torah that
Speaker 4: Dennis wrote. But yeah, he studied it a lot, and
Speaker 4: I think he remember he took a Sabbath, and that
Speaker 4: was one of the things he would do on the sabbath.
Speaker 3: So that was Charlie.
Speaker 2: She was very good about not it's so easy to
Speaker 2: have more time. You think about, think about the amount
Speaker 2: of time where you're just sort of waste in the
Speaker 2: margins between. So you pull out your phone and you're
Speaker 2: reading it, and that turns into a fifteen minute thing.
Speaker 2: And you do that in the morning, you do it
Speaker 2: at lunch, and you do it after Suddenly that's forty
Speaker 2: five minutes to an hour. You could have been dedicated
Speaker 2: to reading your Bible per day. And Charlie's the guy
Speaker 2: where he was actually doing that. He was never just
Speaker 2: doomed scrolling on his phone.
Speaker 10: Who do we got next, Sandy?
Speaker 3: Sandy, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself.
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm a Texan and I feel like
Speaker 12: twenty plus years ago, when I was just starting out
Speaker 12: really in my career, about ten years in, I was
Speaker 12: called on as a junior person to help the Indian contractors,
Speaker 12: you know, assimilate basically work with them, bring them in
Speaker 12: and again, hey, I'm I'm looking as a Christian, I'm
Speaker 12: you know, accepting people, just caring for people. And I
Speaker 12: still have some very long friends that are Indian in
Speaker 12: different industries now and everything. But I just feel like
Speaker 12: I helped it, you know, start bringing them in. And
Speaker 12: then and cut to twenty years later. You know I
Speaker 12: was let go because of the hostility of you know,
Speaker 12: one of the reasons, hostility towards you know, anyone who
Speaker 12: disagreed with them.
Speaker 4: All right, So Sandy, you're saying, twenty years ago, you
Speaker 4: helped these people assimilate, you love them, you had a
Speaker 4: Christian heart towards them.
Speaker 3: Fast forward twenty years later.
Speaker 4: You're getting let go because of some hostility within the
Speaker 4: Indian community towards you a white Texan.
Speaker 3: Is that basically it?
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, I again, I consider it as individuals.
Speaker 12: You know, I'm not gonna say the whole Indian community
Speaker 12: or anything like that, because I do have some cherished
Speaker 12: friends that.
Speaker 3: I still have that you're not hateful towards them. But
Speaker 3: what how did you get fired out?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 12: I was let go with a you know, corporate wide downprising,
Speaker 12: if you will. Yeah, but I had already been you know,
Speaker 12: shared with me that you know, oh, well, you you know,
Speaker 12: you probably don't want to, you know, Ruffle feathers with
Speaker 12: you know, within the contractors. And at that time I
Speaker 12: was a manager with twenty something contractors offshore, and you
Speaker 12: know who I really cared about and took care of,
Speaker 12: but mainly the ones that were here on shore supposedly
Speaker 12: speaking for them and trying to maneuver contracts and everything.
Speaker 12: Here we can constantly butted heads. I mean, it just
Speaker 12: it was truly unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Was it cultural?
Speaker 4: Were they trying to move contracts to other Indians where
Speaker 4: and you were trying to do what was best in the.
Speaker 3: Company's interest or or what what? What specifically was the issue?
Speaker 12: Definitely butting heads on. I was looking out for the
Speaker 12: best interests of the company and they were just trying
Speaker 12: to make sure they got contracts renewed, more money, more money,
Speaker 12: you know, more people, and you know it's.
Speaker 3: Just I have a question for you.
Speaker 4: Did you notice that Indians wanted to hire other Indians
Speaker 4: and that was pretty much what they were interested in
Speaker 4: or were they open to hiring whites, blacks, Hispanics.
Speaker 12: When I left, our CIO was Indian and we had
Speaker 12: many levels of our organization beginning to be populated by Indians.
Speaker 12: So you got replaced yeah mm, yeah, which again. You
Speaker 12: know when I walked out the when I was escorted
Speaker 12: out the door, I told my you know, it was
Speaker 12: a a VP at that level. I told him God's
Speaker 12: God's got me. So I had no you know, animosity
Speaker 12: towards them. I knew that God was allowing this change
Speaker 12: in my life. And it's been a struggle, but I
Speaker 12: know He still has me and it's increased my faith.
Speaker 4: Well, God, bless you on the on the micro level,
Speaker 4: because God does have you, and God's got a plan
Speaker 4: and that is true. But on the macro level, we
Speaker 4: should not be importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners to
Speaker 4: come replace Americans in their place of work. That is
Speaker 4: a breakdown of the social compact. That is a breakdown
Speaker 4: of I think a government's responsibility to its own people.
Speaker 4: And they're putting the interest of corporations before the interests
Speaker 4: of the American people that vote for them. And so
Speaker 4: I am extraordinarily upset on your behalf that you've had
Speaker 4: to train your replacements and ultimately be replaced by them
Speaker 4: and shoved out of a job. And this is why
Speaker 4: there's so much passion about h one B's and these
Speaker 4: tech companies and these offshoring of American jobs, because by
Speaker 4: birth and by right, we should be given first opportunity
Speaker 4: to thrive in this country because you were born here,
Speaker 4: you were raised here. And twenty years ago, when this
Speaker 4: was all just starting, this wasn't a concern. People didn't
Speaker 4: realize what was coming down the pipe for them. But
Speaker 4: now we know, and so to continue to allow this
Speaker 4: to happen is an absolute travesty. It's I think, morally
Speaker 4: wrong on so many levels. And so it kind of
Speaker 4: goes back to this conversation about how should we structure
Speaker 4: our economy the free market. The free market will if
Speaker 4: you just if you have zero regulations on anything, they'll
Speaker 4: just offshore everything. They'll hollow out the industrial base in
Speaker 4: the Midwest. So I want to I want an economy that, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're capital is free to move, but we incentivize employers
Speaker 4: and businesses to keep their business here into higher American
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry this happened to you, but it's all
Speaker 4: too common and it breaks my.
Speaker 2: Heart for you.
Speaker 16: Thank you.
Speaker 12: And I I I heard that the that the leadership
Speaker 12: that I had at the time was cautioning me to, oh,
Speaker 12: kind of stay low, let us be the bad guy.
Speaker 12: And I'm like, you're not at You're not down at
Speaker 12: this level. You're not having the daily calls and the
Speaker 12: hours and hours on offshore and onshore calls and having
Speaker 12: to keep them accountable for the product that they provide.
Speaker 12: It I stagger at the thought of them out of
Speaker 12: money that was wasted and lost because of the whole situation.
Speaker 12: I loved that company and I I would have been
Speaker 12: faithful to them until I could have retired.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Genuinely sorry for this happening to you, and it just
Speaker 4: like I said, it breaks my heart because your story
Speaker 4: is not.
Speaker 3: Unique to you. Unfortunately, this is happening all over the country,
Speaker 3: and that's people want.
Speaker 2: They want a country, they want cities, they want churches,
Speaker 2: and yet they want companies that they feel they belong to,
Speaker 2: and the long term trend towards all of those things.
Speaker 2: Feeling alienating and often like hostile or indifferent to you
Speaker 2: is a big driver of why I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are feeling stressed out and unhappy, and even
Speaker 2: on the left, it's that a lot of this is
Speaker 2: is manifesting that way.
Speaker 4: I think, well, and I just want to you know,
Speaker 4: your Christian faith is beautiful and I commend you for
Speaker 4: that and all of God's children are made in his
Speaker 4: image and we should have a heart for them. But
Speaker 4: I just want to caution the Christians out there listening
Speaker 4: that if we are just sowing circle Christians, and I'm
Speaker 4: not accusing you of that, I just mean that there
Speaker 4: is this temptation as Christians to sort of sit back
Speaker 4: and let bad things happen because we want to be
Speaker 4: nice to everybody. Well, no, this was an injustice that
Speaker 4: was done to you. This shouldn't have happened. Your leaders
Speaker 4: failed you, Your political leaders failed you, your corporate leaders
Speaker 4: failed you. Your community leaders and city council people probably
Speaker 4: failed you as well.
Speaker 3: And it is okay to have.
Speaker 4: A righteous anger against these things and to not just
Speaker 4: be walked over. So, as Christians, we have a right
Speaker 4: to fight for the truth. We have a right to
Speaker 4: fight against injustice and to fight with all our might.
Speaker 3: And so that's what we should do. That's what Charlie did.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry this happened to you, but that's one of
Speaker 4: the reasons we do. What we do is so that
Speaker 4: this country changes and that we stop getting walked over
Speaker 4: and taking as suckers. Because we've been suckers for a
Speaker 4: long time. And I don't want this to happen to
Speaker 4: anybody else, So God bless you. I'm sorry about your
Speaker 4: story and thank you for sharing it with us today.
Speaker 4: That wraps this up for this Friday. We will see
Speaker 4: you again on Monday. God bless you all.
Speaker 2: Talk to you then. For more on many of these
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