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Speaker 2: Well, I want to welcome you to the Out of

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Speaker 2: Zion Show with Susan Michael, and I am very excited

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Speaker 2: to have with me today a very special friend and

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Speaker 2: special guest, Dean Michelle Bachmann, former Member of Congress and

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Speaker 2: now she is the dean of the Robertson School of

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Speaker 2: Government at Regent University, and she is doing such an

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Speaker 2: amazing work reaching the next generation of Christian leaders and

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Speaker 2: educating them, preparing them, training them, mentoring them for leadership.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one

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Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series Connecting

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Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she

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Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective

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Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite

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Speaker 3: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your

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Speaker 3: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers.

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Speaker 2: And so it's our real honor and privilege to have

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Speaker 2: you with us today.

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Speaker 1: Susan, thank you, I love being here with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we have a great partnership. Yes, we do,

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Speaker 2: and we've been working together. But first I would like

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Speaker 2: for you to share with our audience a little bit

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Speaker 2: about how you became dean. I know you knew Pat

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Speaker 1: Well. The background is that I was in the very

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Speaker 1: first law school class at Regent University. This goes back

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Speaker 1: and it was probably the best legal education I could

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Speaker 1: then from there I went on. I practiced as a

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Speaker 1: of the government school. And I told him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I went by faith, and it's been just wonderful because

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Speaker 1: on my heart was to start a PhD program, and

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Speaker 1: I had learned that about thirty thirty five years before

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Speaker 1: we launched one. You were one of the first people

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Speaker 1: who came to my office, doctor Susan Michaels, and you

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Speaker 1: that legacy. Everything is about Israel, and we now have

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Speaker 1: So what it was worth doing? And I did a

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Speaker 1: just like your story. That's why it's so important to

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so you know, I just want to share

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Speaker 2: generation of Christian leaders. Recent university, the Robertson School of Government,

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Speaker 2: they are preparing Christians getting a PhD in government with

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Speaker 2: there and if you're interested in seeding, please contact us.

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Speaker 1: We would love to do it because we have undergrad masters,

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Speaker 2: like in the young people regent, your students and all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be happy to. There is a real difference.

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Speaker 1: The students are still sweet, wonderful, you know, they profess

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Speaker 1: So we cooperate with them, and so we let them

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Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion

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Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so interesting you're mentioning movies and plays and

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Speaker 1: Read, but that they don't read. They take in their information, images.

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Speaker 2: And videos and all on their phone. So that has

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Speaker 2: Yes, a man, Well, it's got to be very fulfilling

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Speaker 1: Well, I think a major misunderstanding is they are very

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Speaker 1: It's just a challenge. And so at the university level,

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Speaker 1: And that's the partnership that we've had with you. Because

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I say always say Pat Robertson was

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Speaker 1: It's it's incredible. You're over thirteen thousand students now in many, many,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, you also are a woman of destiny,

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Speaker 2: we Ehd's there at Regents cells our number one need. Michelle,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today, and I

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Speaker 2: know that our audience has really enjoyed getting to know

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