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Speaker 1: It's time for us to talk about Bling. It's a

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Speaker 1: solo performance. It's written and performed by the multi award

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Speaker 1: winning Buchlen and Gaba. Had some successful runs in Vienna

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Speaker 1: and Amsterdam. The show returning to South Africa for a

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Speaker 1: special season at the home Coming Center in Cape Town.

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Speaker 1: It's a satirical and very poignant exploration of South African history,

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Speaker 1: the mineral wealth and the colonial archive. And ye know,

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Speaker 1: the story is all about the clan and diamond, the

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Speaker 1: largest diamond ever found. And we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Bling next. You joined the conversations you with Cape Talk. Buchle, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Clarence, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm really good. I'm kind of wanting to fast forward

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to it. Maybe you should. You should

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Speaker 1: tell us just where the story comes from. What what

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Speaker 1: led you to personify that color and diamond as h

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, you got it, write Patsuma clanin is exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And basically, Clarence, what happened was a few years ago,

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Speaker 2: after Queen Elizabeth died, I started to see this outrage,

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Speaker 2: fascinated by this, and I just thought to myself, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: So what would happen if the color and diamond did

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Speaker 2: how we had gotten here now? So then I decided

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Speaker 2: to explore this idea where I went ahead and I

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Speaker 2: I said, after Bushangada is threatening to return to South

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Speaker 2: Africa with the colony and diamond, she is where the

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Speaker 2: So then I thought, okay, cool, this means that there

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Speaker 2: it a step further. I was awarded the Viney Simon

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Speaker 2: Residency at the Market Theater. I started exploring this idea

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Speaker 2: further and further I wrote something. I got Ilana Siliez

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Speaker 2: Langlala to come aboard and to direct it. And yet

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Speaker 2: I premiered in Vienna to a sold out season, which

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Speaker 2: coincidentally Amsterdam is where the current and diamond was actually cut,

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Speaker 2: so it was wonderful to be in conversation in that way.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, long and short of it is, after years

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Speaker 2: and years of applying, NAC gave us a little bit

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Speaker 2: Moses Consultation is bringing the diamond home.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, How does because this is fascinating, How does

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, it's the most incredible thing. Because what I

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Speaker 2: actually did with Patsuma is before I even started writing Charence,

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Speaker 2: is I gained so much perspective also from what everyone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating story. Diameter, Texas back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: her incredible poem. I've come to take you home about

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Speaker 1: I think it was sold for one hundred and fifty pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they gave it as a gift, and also they

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Speaker 1: A fascinating story indeed. Okay, so it's described the show

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Speaker 2: Bling, absolutely absolutely, which I mean I'm not working. I'm

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Speaker 2: I take the other perspective also where I go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all the while listening to the perspectives of a numerous people,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm on to something, Okay, like to see

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Speaker 1: just kind of be a little introspective about our little journeys.

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Speaker 1: But you've performed playing, You've performed it in Vienna and Amsterdam.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is, you know, I think in fact that

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Speaker 2: I think Clarence, but I also know I have I'm

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Speaker 2: As I said, actually, not only wait for the opportunity

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. South Africa's time to sell out.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, it's all of the above in one, which is

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Speaker 1: Speaks back to hmmm, and maybe it's going to let

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Speaker 1: Are we chatting to multi award winning Bouclet Gaba again.

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Speaker 1: After successful runs in Vienna and Amsterdam, the show is

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Speaker 1: and I want to I want to go to that researching.

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Speaker 1: But part of you, how does how does blingford into

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Speaker 1: that larger body of work of yours as Southern a

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Speaker 1: Woman's Archive that you've been curating tell us the big picture?

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Speaker 2: Well, the big picture is I love, as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 2: I love engaging with history and I love finding interesting

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Speaker 2: is marrying the two, right, It's marrying the archive and

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Speaker 2: storytelling as one. And I started developing the Southern Woman's Archive,

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Speaker 2: writing her PhD on my great aunt, Ruth Momppatti, who

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Speaker 2: which form I could do this, I went, gosh, I'm

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Speaker 2: an actor, you know, I'm a performer. So the best

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Speaker 2: way for me to figure out the story and to

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Speaker 2: tell these stories is by doing what it is that

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Speaker 2: I was born to do, as opposed to, for example,

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Speaker 2: trying to be like my mother and making it a book.

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Speaker 2: Which is not to say that the book isn't to come.

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Speaker 2: It's just to say that I do believe that there's

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Speaker 2: a time for everything, and right now my time is

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Speaker 2: to be processing it on stage. And I think that

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Speaker 2: in that way, I'm also developing the right community and

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Speaker 2: the audience. You can continue to catch the books, the movies,

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Speaker 2: the films, the everything that's to come out.

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Speaker 1: Are we jumping at the bit. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: closer to the time again. Buchlengaba actor writer, researcher and

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Speaker 1: of course Bling is coming to the Oncoming Center in

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Speaker 1: District sixth in May, and we'll alert you to those

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