1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manya Taylor on seven O two. Let's 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: walk the talk streaming on the prime media class. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: As DearS TV channel eight. 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: Five six ninety two point seven and one O six FM. 5 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: Eight minutes after nine oht clod do you mail? A 6 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: happy Monday? Welcome to the Clement Man Tyler Show on 7 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: this ninth day of my the start of a brain 8 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: new week. I hope you're good this morning. I hope 9 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: you had a wonderful, wonderful weekend. How did you find 10 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: the start of the Formula One season for twenty twenty six, 11 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: George Russell Kicks started the season with a win. Antonelli 12 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: came second and Ferrari's char Leclaire came third, So it 13 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: was Mercedes one and two on podium in Ferrari three 14 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: and four for Charles and Lewis. I was particularly impressed 15 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: with the Mercedes car. It seemed to be first. That 16 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: battle between George and Charle was just brilliant, and I 17 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: hope this momentum can be sustained throughout the season. In fact, 18 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: when George crossed the finish line as the check that 19 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: flag was waved, he said, I like this car, I 20 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: like this engine. So it may very well be that 21 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: the Mercedes is gonna be the first car this season. 22 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 2: I don't know what you think, but Ferrari also looks 23 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: like they have a good car this year. I have 24 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: a feeling that this is going to be Ferrari's Yeah, 25 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: but they're going to have to battle it out with Mercedes. 26 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: I mean, Ferrari hasn't dominated in a while, this is 27 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: the time to do it. How did you find the 28 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: Australian Grand Prix yesterday? Which car do you think is 29 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: likely to be the fastest this season? Which team do 30 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: you think is going to dominate? And of course, the 31 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: question all of us who support Louis Hamilton have been 32 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: asking is is he back? He showed some improvement yesterday. 33 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: But I've also learned over the years not to be 34 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: easily excited. What matters is consistent progress and that's what 35 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm hoping for when it comes to Louis Hamilton. What 36 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: do you think? Oh one one eight eight three, oh 37 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: seven oh two is the number two? Die? You can 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: send your WhatsApps on oh seven to seven O two 39 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: one seven two. Now, businessman Petros Matzippe has come out 40 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: to once again deny that there is any chance he 41 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: would consider running for ANC president. This is actually what 42 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: he said while addressing shareholders on Friday. 43 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: I have a duty to answer these questions to you 44 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: because I'm chairman of African Rainbow Minerals, a company we 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: started many, many years ago. But let's try and do 46 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: what I do. I ignore these things. You know, it's false, 47 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 4: it's unfounded. I the last you know. I would never 48 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: go and fund people to buy skippers. PM twenty seven 49 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 4: could also mean post Meridian. I don't know it's means. 50 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: I initially thought I had a monopoly on PM and 51 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: I was still no So I just we have to 52 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 4: be we have to continue to be positive and optimistic. 53 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: This country has got such incredible, incredible people, and I've 54 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: never been more confident. There's this people who who are 55 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: very enthusiastic and some are Zealers, and they keep printing 56 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: these keepers and these jerseys. I don't know where they 57 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: get the money from. And now there's a website that's 58 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: been launched, and I'm told there are several websites that 59 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: are being launched, and nothing has changed. I've said from 60 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: the beginning, I've got no doubt in my mind that 61 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: the biggest contribution the humble contribution. In fact, it's not 62 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: just a contribution, it's a duty I have, and it's 63 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 4: a duty we have as a family to the people 64 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: of this country that have made us what we are, 65 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: to try and make this place a better place, build 66 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 4: a future for everybody. Focused on your nineteen, not just 67 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: within the A and C. As I said the boring part, 68 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: I'll always stay within the ANC. But I'll continue. You 69 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 4: know what we've done. We will make donations to all 70 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: political parties. I will maintain the historic relationship that I've 71 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: had across the board because belonging to a different political party, 72 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: you're not an enemy. We're all South Africans. 73 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: So that clears it then, or does it? Because they 74 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: are T shirts already PM twenty seven t shirts. There 75 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: is a website as well well. In fact, in that 76 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: clip I play, it indicates there are several websites. I've 77 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: checked one this morning. PM twenty seven website that was launched, 78 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: and it seems like many of them are raising funds 79 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: for Petris mazzippa campaign. In fact, the one I checked 80 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: this morning says, and I quote here, the PM twenty 81 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: seven campaign champions Petris Mazzippe is the most credible, unifying 82 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: and visionary leader to guide the ANC and South Africa 83 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: into a new era of integrity and unity rooted in 84 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: the spirit of savumel not which means let's agree. The 85 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: campaign calls on all South Africans to rally behind a 86 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: leader who embodies unity, progress and ethical governance end quote. 87 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: So someone is spending a lot of money on this campaign, 88 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: and either they are doing this with hopes that when 89 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: Petros Mazipper sees that there's traction here and there's a 90 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: lot of support, he will bite and join the race. Oh, 91 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: they have spoken to him and he's waiting to see 92 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: if this catches or not. I don't know, but it 93 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: appears there's a strong lobby group that's spending money and 94 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: investing in this, even though Petros Matzupe has on a 95 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: number of occasions denied that he plans to run for president. 96 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: So what do you think is at play here? I'm 97 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 2: not too sure, but I know there are some senior 98 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: leaders in the ANC I've spoken to who believe that 99 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: the campaign is well intact, even though there is a 100 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: clear successor what do you think is at play? Oh? One, one, 101 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: eighty three, oh seven or two? I'm interested in your thoughts. 102 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: You can send your what's ups as well. 103 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: Clement Manya Tela streaming on the Prime Media Plus. 104 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: At dear STV channel eight five six ninety two point 105 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: seven and on. 106 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 5: Them Hi everybody, the Formula one fantastic, Love to see 107 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: all the rookie is doing so well. Felt really sad 108 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: for Isak a Jack, but yeah, all good all round. 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 5: And George was actually mocking at Antonelli when he said 110 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: I love this car, love this car. He was doing 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: the Italian accent marking Anton Nelly from a previous I 112 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 5: guess from testing or qualifying whatever it was, but he 113 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 5: was mocking him. Even the commentator said, so but lovely, lovely, 114 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: lovely starts this season. Good to see things going so 115 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 5: nicely where I was happy with that race Morning. 116 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 6: Morning Money Money, Clement brab Brabia. No, the F one 117 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 6: was great. I think it trucks them. It's a matter 118 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 6: of tractic now you must not totally. It's in terms 119 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 6: of the tactic. He brought the bends, the messages bends 120 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 6: to that level. It's a matter of tactic, and I 121 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 6: thought even Louis Hamilton on the second yellow flag, they 122 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 6: will go quick and change the tire and that nineteen 123 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: when the lab nineteen, but they did not, and that 124 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 6: was their biggest mistake with them. It's a matter of 125 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 6: tactic if they don't apply tactically. Because I think these cars, 126 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 6: both and Ferrari and the Messages, there is on this 127 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 6: lightly small small gap in terms of the first cars 128 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 6: and in terms of those those those guys Louis and 129 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 6: George and Messides. You must understand that those are brilliant drivers. 130 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 6: Thanks to Clement, it was Let's let's see how it goes. 131 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 6: Let's see how it goes as we move forward, and 132 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 6: we'll see who wins the champion. I'm happy now. 133 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: It's what we. 134 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 6: Call it a very challenging season for thanks Clement. 135 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 7: One In Clement, you ask about will you think will 136 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 7: dominate in the Formula One this year? I hope no 137 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 7: team will dominate. It becomes incredibly boring when there's one 138 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 7: team that dominates, I lose interest. Of course, I'm talking 139 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 7: about the Formula One now, not Springbok rugby. I feel 140 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 7: a little differently about that. 141 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: Uh no bad. I mean, if history is anything to 142 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: go by, there are some team, like there's a team 143 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: that will dominate this year. It's it's it's really the 144 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: case that you have like a really tight competition where 145 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: there are teams that have got equally you know, fast, 146 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: good technically equipped cars to go on, you know, against 147 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: each other. We need we need a team. I mean, 148 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm biased here. I'm really hoping that we're 149 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: to dominate. Let me just put it that way, and 150 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: I hope it dominates well. I mean, I like Charlotteler, 151 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of him, but yeah, we need 152 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: to make way for Louis Hamilton. I'm worried time is 153 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: against us, and I would really want him to bow out. 154 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: And I'm sure he wants this for himself, with an 155 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: eighth title, so that he breaks that world record. And yeah, 156 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: there are many records he's broken, but he also wants 157 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: this one, and I'm just hoping that he's able to 158 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: get it. He did really well yesterday. Let's hope that 159 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: there's going to be consistency in his progress. Twenty minutes 160 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: after nine, Your Voice, your. 161 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 6: Station, your Alton Line all. 162 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 8: On seven eighteen, Good morning, clemon Manet seven or two 163 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 8: listeners regarding Formula one. I think this year is Ferrari 164 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 8: and Luisa Men regarding Petris Moze seven, I think he 165 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 8: will eventually take this. He will say people wanted me 166 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 8: to stand to run, so you would take this. And 167 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 8: moving forward, I think what this billionais or big business 168 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 8: people or as they've achieved everything as financially now they 169 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 8: want the next power they can get is to become 170 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 8: presidents of their countries. And I think that is the 171 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 8: part that we have seen many of them take. SOA's 172 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 8: not going to be an exception, thank you. 173 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've never seen anything from him, and look 174 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: if I've missed it, let me know. But we've never 175 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: seen any indications from Mazeppa that he is interested in 176 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: joining the political arena, have we. I mean, he's always 177 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: been interested in this country working, so he cares about 178 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: who's in charge. He cares about political parties. In fact, 179 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: he understands the importance evenough opposition parties, which is why 180 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: he funds different political parties like you'll find from the 181 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: ANC to the DA to Freedom Front Place to all 182 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: these different political parties. He chooses some of it and 183 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: he funds them because he sees the value that they 184 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: bring to this constitutional democracy and to holding government and 185 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: the executive in Czech But has he ever indicated that 186 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: he would want to one day become president. I mean, 187 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: siril Rama Posa, it was quite obvious that he would 188 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: want that some time in the future, because especially if 189 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: you understand his history in the ANC and what he wanted, 190 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,479 Speaker 2: because he wanted to be president when Tawambaker was ultimately 191 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: chosen as the men that would succeed Nelson Mandela. He's 192 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: been the secretary General of the ANC. He has had 193 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: hopes before of being president. In fact, when he left 194 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: the political scene, he basically was unhappy because he felt 195 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: it was unfair the decision that was taken to sort 196 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: of sideline him and put in Tawambik instead. And so 197 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: when he comes back, it's not a bit it's much 198 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: of a surprise. It's like, oh, you know, of course. 199 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: But with Petasonzippe, I have never seen him showing interest 200 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: in that way that overwhelmingly indicates that this is what 201 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: he wants and we must wait for it one day. 202 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, let me know what your thoughts are, 203 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: Clement pj. 204 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 9: Here it clears up nothing for me because I didn't 205 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 9: once hear him say I can catch directly say I'm 206 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 9: not running for president. It actually sounded more like he 207 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 9: was running for president. 208 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, Clement. What if that PM it stands for 209 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: poor much a deal? 210 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 6: Why? 211 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Why are you guys? Is PETRISTI? What if is pormuch 212 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: a deal? 213 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 10: Come on, let's let's let's not just jump play the 214 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 10: gun yet. 215 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: Can be Petersipe, can be poor. 216 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 11: Chap. 217 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: That's fairy enough. That's a fair question. Hey, what if 218 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: it is Paul? But I think the Paul masha Della 219 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: campaign has infracted a different tagline because Patrick mazzippers one 220 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: is ci Milan. Let me not say Patrick Mazipp's one, 221 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: the one that people are campaigning for. Patrick for it, 222 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: says Cilan, whereas Paul mashatillas one seems to be different. 223 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm just forgetting it now. It could very well. I 224 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: think that's a fair question. Like PM twenty seven, maybe 225 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: it is Paul Mashatilla twenty seven, but I think because 226 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: he's such a clear successor quote unquote in the ANC, 227 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: his campaign would probably be more more clearly defined. 228 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: You know. 229 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: And also when you go to PM twenty seven, just 230 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: go google PM twenty seven campaign. When you get on it, 231 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: it tells you that this is this is a campaign 232 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: that champions Patrits. Mozipe is the most credible, unifying, visionary 233 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: leader that can guide the A and C in this country. 234 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: It says nothing, nothing about Paul Mahailey. 235 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 12: Good morning Tam in condo. The days you can never 236 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 12: be sure with regard to whether the likes of Mozip 237 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 12: really want to be in the ring or not. But 238 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 12: to be honest with you, I will really really be 239 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 12: happy for him to get in the ring for the 240 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 12: ANC leadership. With regard to Formula one, Ferrari all the way. 241 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, Ferrari all the way. But let's hope 242 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: they do show some results. Let's actually do a Paul, 243 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: shall we Who do you think? In fact, if you're 244 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: an ANC member or an ANC supporter, can you call 245 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: us and that's a voice note and indicate So if 246 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: you are one, who do you think Because there's there's 247 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: already a clear successor in Paul Mashatile, right, But of 248 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: course this is the A and C. Anything is possible. 249 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: There are people that are going to challenge Paulmashatile for 250 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: the position of President of the African National Congress. If 251 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: you are in the ANC, who do you think is best? 252 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: Who do you think the ANC needs? Now is it. Paulmashatlea, Oh, 253 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: if Petros Macipia really was to consider this seriously, do 254 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: you think that this concept of a savior would work? 255 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: Because that's what people thought of President Sidrama Posa. That's 256 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: what they thought, Oh, here's a man who was a businessman, 257 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: who's got lots of money, so you won't really feel 258 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: the need to steal from government or to benefit in 259 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: some way through many contracts. That's what people were mostly 260 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: hoping for. Who are campaigning for c I'm a pasta 261 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: and they said, this is the man who's going to 262 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: save the African National Congress. And what happened two years ago, 263 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: for the very first time ever, the ANC slips below 264 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: fifty percent. So what I'm asking is, would it be 265 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: Petris Mazepe that are there people who still seriously think 266 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: that a messiah can exist that saves this organization? Let 267 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: me know your thoughts. Maybe you're in the ANC, maybe 268 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: you're not in the ANC. As a South African, do 269 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: you also think that we need someone like a Petrice 270 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: Matseepe or any other figure that may not be too entanged, 271 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: you know, in in the political infrastructure. Oh one one 272 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: eighty three, oh seven O two Steven, you are in Rehnbeck. 273 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? 274 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 11: Good morning, Good morning kemen. Yeah, Keimen, you know you 275 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 11: must understand how lobbying works within the ANC, and I 276 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 11: think you asked very important questions. Yeah, sometimes it's not 277 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 11: the fact that the candidate has agreed, but there are 278 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 11: certain members within the ANC that have made it a 279 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 11: career to make money out of lobbying certain candidates. What 280 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 11: am I talking about? So when you lobby a particular candidate, 281 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 11: you're able to build up a war chest, so you're 282 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 11: able to go to businessman air and say, hey, I'm 283 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 11: with this campaign. I think it can work. Can you 284 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 11: guys donate some money. And we saw it happening in 285 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 11: twenty seventeen, although it wasn't widely reported, but if you 286 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 11: looked at the two campaigns, there were a lot of 287 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 11: people that were at the forefront of that that made 288 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 11: a lot of money out of this, whether it be accommodation, 289 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 11: whether it be money. Some people have even gone on 290 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 11: to start businesses from that money from lobbying, so it's 291 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 11: become a very lucrative business. So if the earlier you 292 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 11: pronounce your candidate is the more money you able to gather. 293 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 11: It might very well happen that at the latest stage 294 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 11: Purtris decides that he wants to run. But I can 295 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 11: tell you that there's a possibility that these guys are 296 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 11: doing it without his not to be able to then 297 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 11: accumulate a certain amount of income. So we must not 298 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 11: be you know, we must not rule that out absolutely 299 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 11: in terms of how these lobby groups work. 300 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, Stephen, because also the people who donate 301 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: are not necessarily going to ask for a clip of 302 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 2: Petris or a letter that indicates that he's interested. Like 303 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: they take what U as lobbyists say, and they're like, Okay, 304 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: I'll put my money behind this. 305 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 11: One hundred percent. I mean, you remember there were seven 306 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 11: candidates in twenty seventeen. I don't if you remember seven candidates, 307 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 11: and within those candidates, all of them at campaign managers, 308 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 11: and those campaign managers, if we had to do a proper, 309 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 11: proper research find out exactly where they're sitting financially today. 310 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Stevens, you're raising such a fair point. Thank 311 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: you so much for that call. In Rendberg, It's possible 312 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: that there's some lobby groups here that are just finding 313 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: this is a quick way to make some back. Oh, 314 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: that it could very well be that they've got strong 315 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 2: hopes that Petris will bite at some point. Oh, I've 316 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: spoken to him before and he's just waiting to see 317 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: if this is going to catch on and then he 318 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: can join the bandwagon. Maybe not now until he's sure 319 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: that he's got quite a strong campaign. What do you think? 320 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: It's nine thirty your voice, your station, your Oulton line 321 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: on seven ten, twenty five minutes before ten o'clock. It's 322 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: the seven o two open line. We're taking your calls 323 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: on oh one one eight eight three oh seven oh two. 324 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: What's ups on seven two seven oh two one seven 325 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: o two. We've been reflecting on the start of the 326 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: Formula one season and how you have found it. You 327 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: can share your thoughts. Which team do you think is 328 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: going to be dominating this year? And if you are 329 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: a Lewis Hamilton fan, do you think he is back? 330 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: We're also talking about businessman Petros Mazippa played you at 331 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 2: clip earlier where he basically once again denied that he 332 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: is considering running for ANC president. He was speaking while 333 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: addressing shareholders on Friday. But what is at play here? 334 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: Because there are people that are investing a lot of 335 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: money on websites, on T shirts, and here's the man 336 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: they're campaigning for, saying I'm not interested. But we've got 337 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: an interesting call as well from a listener who says, look, 338 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: don't don't forget that there are ANC lobbyists here, people 339 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: who take advantage and go and campaign for particular potential 340 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: leaders of the A and see whether they've agreed or not, 341 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: and that's their chance of making money. And I think 342 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: that is probably what is taking place here. But I'm 343 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: interested to hear your thoughts. Some of you believe patros 344 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: Manzipa may come back and reconsider. He's probably waiting to 345 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: see if this campaign is strong enough and if indeed 346 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: there are people that support him. We wait and see. 347 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: There's another story I want to bring you up to 348 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: speed with. I'm gonna come to your close and your 349 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: wsops in a moment. But remember Kareem Cassim. Is it 350 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 2: Kareem Cassim? I remember the man that has been trying 351 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: Suleiman Siliman Kreem. Who is Salem Cassim? I think there 352 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: was someone in in government, eh who was Salem Cassim. 353 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: I must I must check that out. But anyway, Suleiman 354 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: Cassim has been at the Malana Commission trying to avoid 355 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: testifying at the Commission. And this time around, I mean 356 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: he's come up with all sorts of tricks. This time 357 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: around he came up and he wanted to testify in 358 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: camera because he claimed that he's fearing for his life. 359 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: Now the Malana Commission in the last one minute or 360 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: who have just ruled that he will be appearing at 361 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: the commission. So what he was asking for has been declined. 362 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: So that's a big blow for him. Remember, he has 363 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: come up with all tricks, even when to court at 364 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: some point, you know, and then now this time, the 365 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: latest trick was no, no, he has to testify in camera. 366 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: That's what his lawyers argued last week. Well, the chair 367 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: of the Commission, together with the other commissioners, have just 368 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: announced that he is expected to perform to come and 369 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: appear this morning. So he will be appearing this morning, 370 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: not in camera. You're gonna see him like you've seen 371 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: him before when he has appeared at the Madleinal Commission. 372 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: But his lawyers were trying to make up some justifications 373 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: for why that testimony should not continue. So thank goodness, 374 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: we are finally going to hear from him because he 375 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: seems to have received monies, but also he seems to 376 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: have interfered in that SAPs tender that kat Macala got. 377 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: He remember that SMS that he supposedly sent to the 378 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: Minister of Police send zum Cunie as well asking him 379 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: about that tender, which indicates then that there is a 380 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: grouping here that operates and is planning for potentially send 381 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: zum Kunu's future presidential ambitions and they wanted to channel 382 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: money here. So we'll find out more throughout his testimony 383 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: today as he's expected to appear at the Mahlanga Commission. 384 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: It's twenty minutes now before ten. Your voice, your station, 385 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: your lying walked at all on seven eighteen back? When 386 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: are you calling us from Pretoria North? Good morning? Good 387 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: morning Clemendari shop shop man, Go ahead? What are your thoughts? 388 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 13: Yeah, I just want to talk about this one of 389 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 13: them in the ANT and so on. 390 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 14: From my from my. 391 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 13: Own opinion, I don't think there's any leader within the 392 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 13: NC or from outside who can see the n C. 393 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 13: And I'll tell you why the ANC the way structured, 394 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 13: it's highest alone, the factions and what we've seen before. 395 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 13: It's like you you, if you are a leader of 396 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 13: the NC, have what we protect. All the rogues are 397 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 13: out in the NC first before you can be accepted there. 398 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 13: So it's like the same situation that drama poster finds 399 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 13: themselves in. Hey has to protect people about my convo, 400 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 13: mantash and all that, even though they've got cases, because 401 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 13: that's and so on, because their survival within the party 402 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 13: rested with those people. I can call them missage as people. 403 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 13: Whether there are the bodyguards who can natally make it 404 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 13: like it's life easier. Otherwise anybody else who goes in 405 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 13: there and that's cricky side within the fraction of that 406 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 13: is definitely going to be pushed out. And you have 407 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 13: seen it living with him, Bake you want. Things started 408 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 13: getting a little bit tough for him there is I 409 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 13: had to keep him out and pull them other. So 410 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 13: if it's interested in politics, my best advice he was 411 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 13: for him to start a new party and that, as 412 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 13: you know, politics need money to to roll with a 413 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 13: new party, you would be able to have enough control 414 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 13: and be able to elevate the party to the level 415 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 13: he has because of the money that he has. But 416 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 13: going to the NC, I doubt if there's anybody on 417 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 13: this you know, on this earth who can change and think, 418 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 13: then he's still because it is straggling from axistential crisis 419 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 13: at the moment. 420 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: Thank you all right, Dragquen in Petrona, thank you so 421 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: much for your thoughts. I thank you to a b 422 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: On on what'sapp clement When you said when you were 423 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: busy mentioning Salem Karim, where you're not referring to the 424 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 2: one who was prominent and on TV a lot during 425 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. Yes, that's the one. Remember that was effectively 426 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: like the spokesperson for during that COVID nineteen pandemic for government, 427 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: like he was the leading expert. That mean, God to 428 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: sort of die us through the waters as we were 429 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: trying to explore COVID nineteen. Salem Kareem, that's his name, Thompson, 430 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: you are calling us from Madrand. What do you think, Hi? 431 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 14: How it elements? 432 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: So? 433 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 14: All right? 434 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: Man? 435 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 14: He is the thing about the issue of Patrice. Firstly, 436 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 14: we need to understand how politics work in South Africa. 437 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 14: Politics in South Africa in the main in the NC. 438 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 14: You know, people sometimes when they talk about infiltration, they 439 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 14: think these are just terms the NC was long infiltrated 440 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 14: by Capitol, and then what they do they plan around 441 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 14: the candidate that will obviously secure their interests and once 442 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 14: I identify the person, then they put money on it 443 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 14: because it's very easy to buy dedicates when it comes 444 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 14: to the NC. Now, as for Patris MBI, if you 445 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 14: look at Capitol, you'd obviously be the it to secure 446 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 14: the capital and there's probably discussions that are already happening. 447 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 14: You might say I'm not interested now, but obviously as 448 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 14: times goes on, because he also has interest you want 449 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 14: to Obviously you know at the end of the day, 450 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 14: whether you look at however you want to look at it. 451 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 14: There is power and control play and if the trace 452 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 14: is an opportunity to be in power and to control, 453 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 14: he will take that opportunity him to just say now 454 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 14: now I'm not interested. It's a way of taking over 455 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 14: the pressure. And I can tell you right now Capital 456 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 14: is already identified in but I'm not so sure it 457 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 14: is a good catiday for black people because if you 458 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 14: look at the dynamics of South Africa as to how 459 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 14: the structure of the economy is as it is, there 460 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 14: is a fight between continuing because you are dealing with 461 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 14: a situation where everything is more poized than it's owned 462 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 14: by certain people, the one percent that's always spoken about 463 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 14: and the fall within that one person and all are 464 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 14: the guys that want the guy like Preatrice to be there. 465 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 14: But as for the majority of the I would see 466 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 14: presents being good for people and the people in the 467 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 14: massive if I may put it that great, because he's 468 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 14: more of capital. 469 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: Okay Thompson in Midrand, I thank you for your contribution. 470 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: So who would it be? 471 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 15: Then? 472 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do like a sort of a poll here, 473 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: Paul Mascha Dill or would you rather a Petris Mazipe. 474 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: Let's use Patrice Mazupe as a figure from the private sector, 475 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: someone outside of politics, because so far we only have 476 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: his name of people who are trying to push for 477 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: him to run. So who would it be? For you? 478 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: Who do you trust more? Do you trust Paul Masha 479 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: who is the obvious clear successor, but not so obvious 480 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: because anything could change and he's going to be challenged 481 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: and even his campaign has faced some stumbling blocks already. 482 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: But Patrice Macipe as well, is you know, unlikely to 483 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: have an easy one to should he join this race. 484 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: So who would who would you prefer then? Would it 485 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: be or Patris Mucipe? Who do you trust a little 486 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: more than the other? M hmm, no, good many, Clement, 487 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: this is the same. 488 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 16: I disagree with you when you say Christmas ap Uh 489 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 16: doesn't seem ass if you'll run for presidency even if 490 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 16: he hasn't shown interest in politics. This isn't about showing politics. 491 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 16: It's about power. 492 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: They need for power. Everybody wants power. 493 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 16: You remember when. 494 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 14: Him and. 495 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 16: We never thought of him, you never expressed any political 496 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 16: interests before, but then in two thou sixteen, Kun, he 497 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 16: just suppressed us know I'm gonna run for Jubec Meyer. 498 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: So the same thing with Christmas. 499 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 16: And remember patrist Musay is an agency member ANC. People 500 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 16: are unpredictable. So there's a high possibility that is going 501 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 16: to run for a presidency. 502 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 17: Money morning, my imager and why we job back morning 503 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 17: seven or to lenders, Clement, he's going to run for 504 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 17: the president of the AENC. 505 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: Mark my weage. 506 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 17: He is going to run for the presidency of the AENC. 507 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if he's. 508 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 17: Giving donations to all political partisan whatsoever it can be. 509 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 17: He knows very well because I think that people who 510 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 17: are loving for him and the help having meetings with him. 511 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 17: It can't just be randomly. Then people are saying PM 512 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 17: for president, PM for presidents. No, he knows very well. 513 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 17: That's why he resigns all the position from Rainbow Minerals 514 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 17: and PM is running for the presidency of the AENC. 515 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 17: What's my space. I'm telling you why. 516 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: We're a great one. 517 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 18: Good morning, Clement, and a good one into the listeners too. 518 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 18: I would be glad if he runs for presidents in Patris. 519 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 18: The only problem is if he's going to run and 520 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 18: the A n C penn, then A and C is 521 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 18: going to taint his reputation because A and C is 522 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 18: tainted badly. My brother A n C is unrepairable. So 523 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 18: if he's gonna do it under the winn of the 524 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 18: A n C, I I don't think he's gonna work 525 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 18: well for him because this guy is they're going to 526 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 18: destroy his name, honestly. 527 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: M hm okay, okay, So the poll I'm trying to run. Okay, 528 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: the first message that came up where was someone just 529 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: typed Paul Masha del So I'm imagining you think you 530 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: trust Paul Masher Tiller more than like a Petris Mazie 531 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: on the wasapp line Lexus Clement trust Paul. Trusting Paula 532 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: is like trusting a snake not to bite you. The 533 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: fact that the deputy president has been shrouded in so 534 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: many dubious controversial things shows how high up in the 535 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: ANC the corruption and rot goes. That's what somebody else says. 536 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: I mean, there's some of you that are indicating whether 537 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: you think Paul Masha Dile is the one must that 538 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: be the success in the ANC if you're interested in 539 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: ANC politics, which you should, because it's possible that whoever 540 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: is elected ANC president may be the president of the country, 541 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: depending on, of course, what happens after the elections. Is 542 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: it Paul or is it Petros Mazipe? Who do you 543 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: trust more? I'm not even involving other people who are 544 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: likely to run. I mean, Togo di Diza is likely 545 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: to enter the race, so is figure and Balula for 546 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: for instance. But I'm I'm just I'm just looking at 547 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: this so called clear successor, Paul Masha Dilla and someone 548 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 2: else who seems to be an outlier here, Petris Mazepe, 549 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: whom many are still pushing for him to join, even 550 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: when he says no, who would you rather have between 551 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: the two? Your voice, your station, your line on seven teen, 552 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: ten minutes before ten outlag Lindy on the what's up line, 553 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: Sirs clemmont, I trust Paul Mashatilla. He's a good leader. 554 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: That's Lindy in Soweto. Another one Sir Clement Petris Mozipe 555 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: is the next president of the ANC. He trust me 556 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: on that money talks and ANC politics. That's a message 557 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 2: there from Eric. Another one mentioned Paul and then the 558 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: next person mentioned Petris. So you seem to be divided 559 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: on who you think could be the better president of 560 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: the a n C, the next president of the a 561 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 2: n C. Let's hear from some of your what'sapps on 562 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: seventy seven or two and seven or two. 563 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 19: One Inclement his mind that I ain't get back. It 564 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 19: can be PM paulma Delay or p M patrise Monze. 565 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 19: I trust Patrick Patrese Muncipe of being a sort of 566 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 19: a kind person. But I don't think you will care 567 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 19: much about black people on the ground. He will only 568 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 19: care about markets because he's a businessman. Yes for Paulmasha Delay, Hey, 569 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 19: he seems to be in the atation. Jashin Jai, but 570 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 19: I would rather go with paula thank. 571 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 20: You money implement I think the best person to lead 572 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 20: the ANC. It's only mister, no other one. So he's 573 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 20: coming to restart the n C, so I think he 574 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 20: must come back from business to government lead a MC. 575 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 20: I think you agree here nothing. 576 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 21: Well, Inslement. If Patrick wants to be a n C pressident, 577 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 21: He's going to lose his dignity. I'm telling you nobody 578 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 21: will respect him. 579 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: So people like Paul. 580 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 21: They can carry on and campaign because they don't have 581 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 21: any dignity left in that. That's where I come from 582 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 21: street thank you curtain in Lament Clamond, I agree with Pachas. 583 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 21: I'm a an ANC member and a very strong one. Yeah, 584 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 21: under circumstances, and I must say that I agree with him. 585 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 21: He must just stay away from that. The type of 586 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 21: AC we have today, he's just going to chinish his name. 587 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: You know. 588 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 12: If we have the ANC that we had before Zoomer, 589 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 12: you know, just after Becky, maybe perhaps I would encourage him. 590 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: Hmm. Man, Inclement, I think this is patristman. 591 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 10: And we must just do away with that idea to 592 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 10: think that a business person can come and do well 593 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 10: in the political space. We are told that with the 594 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 10: current president Drama Posta that is a billionaire, his money 595 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 10: is going to come and he's going to save the country. 596 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 10: He's going to save the organization party to this still, 597 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 10: they the employees of the African National Congress are we're 598 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 10: having paid, but their leader is a billionaire. 599 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 2: So it leaves me with one question that. 600 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 10: Are they interested in the people or are they just 601 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 10: interested in business? And we must be quite clear, doctor Patristmanship. 602 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 10: It's a very great leader who is leading care and 603 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 10: all of that, but the political space, I don't think so, 604 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 10: my friend, but it is him. He's going to be 605 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 10: the president of the ends here. 606 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: Okay, let's see Danta you in Midrand. 607 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 14: Good morning, good morning, good go ahead, first time called 608 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 14: from Midrand. 609 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: Welcome, first time caller, Thank you very much. 610 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 22: I think Patriceipe has been running for a long undergrounds. 611 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 22: It's just that now actually the strategy was that sends 612 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 22: On Tuno will become his deputy so that in that 613 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 22: way it will be able to sequere vote from a case. 614 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 22: So because now thereas came with all these abrigations regarding 615 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 22: to send them to I don't think which I don't 616 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 22: think send them to will come back from so so 617 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 22: so so so. Yeah, I think PA is begging them 618 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 22: in connection. 619 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 2: To that Okaya in Midrand. Thank you so much for 620 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 2: your call. So based on this Polk, guys, it really 621 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: looks like it's it's divided. Hey, there are people who 622 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: even though they indicate they don't trust Paul Mashatile, they 623 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 2: still say they would rather him than Patris Mazipe. You know, 624 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: some people feel even though they don't like they don't 625 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 2: trust Petris Mazzippa that might they would still rather have 626 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 2: him lead the ANC. Once again, I must remind you 627 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: I played at clip earlier of Petris Mazipe addressing shareholders 628 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: on Friday, and it was during that address where he 629 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: flatley denied that he's got any ambitions to be the 630 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: next leader of the ANC. He said he doesn't even 631 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 2: know why people are getting money to print a T 632 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: shirts that seem to be pushing for his campaign websites 633 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 2: that have already started. But then again, their lobbists, as 634 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 2: that other listener reminded us, lobbists in the ANC who 635 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: take advantage and they start websites and they start raising 636 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 2: money even when they haven't spoken to the person they 637 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: are campaigning for and we could be dealing with a 638 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 2: situation like that here. But between Paulmasha Tiler, who seems 639 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 2: to be the clear successor, and someone outside like a 640 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: Petros Mzepe, what would you prefer. 641 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 23: Good money clement, good morning to lenders clement? For me, 642 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 23: then the presidential leadership. 643 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 2: If you're not gonna. 644 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 23: Based it on merriage, currently there's no one with good 645 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 23: marriage or morale. But if you're gonna base it on 646 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 23: the numbers and popularly popularity, I'll say if doctors William 647 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 23: Key is a contests, he might be in case at 648 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 23: and back and that will be the end of m KP. 649 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: So for me, if it's not based. 650 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 23: On moral and reads doctor zwilim Kis, they can run 651 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 23: for presidency. 652 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 2: Then he can go to tour with m k P. 653 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 23: Because I don't see anyone that can go to tour 654 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 23: with m k P in the current leadership of the 655 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 23: n C besides him. 656 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: Thank you JT from social mon inclement. 657 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 24: And this is with it for Bala calling him from Soweto, 658 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 24: I rally behind partisan. He is an honorable man, a 659 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 24: reasonable man, and his god the country country's interest at heart, 660 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 24: and he's not a kay there, so we will definitely 661 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 24: get rid of the kid that deployment in culcial positions. 662 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Money clements a nice job. By 663 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 2: the way. 664 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 15: For me, PM is definitely participant. It's it's it's points, 665 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 15: it's pointing in that direction. For someone who's the current 666 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 15: president of keV, most likely he's going to resign as 667 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 15: well from keV within a few months. He's already resigned 668 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 15: from being the chair person of African Rainbow Minerals. It 669 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 15: points in that one direction. This guy has achieved quite 670 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 15: a lot, so he's turned around KEEV. I think he 671 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 15: will be able to turn around ANC even though the 672 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 15: road is into deep. It was gonna be better off 673 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 15: if he was campaigning under another party. Yeah, but chances 674 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 15: you will be the next coming in president of the NC. 675 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 15: You know all politicians role they'll say something now and 676 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 15: they say something later. But for me, he's hiding. He 677 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 15: doesn't want it to be obvious. He's gonna deny, deny, 678 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 15: and then say yes.