1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Six minutes after nine o'clock. Do melang happy Monday. Well 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: it's a Tuesday by a Monday, you get what I mean. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clement Man you Tella Show. Welcome back 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: to work, Welcome back from the long weekend. Thank you 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: for once again joining us here on seven oh two. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: If you're new here, welcome to the seven oh two family. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: I hope you're well. 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: This morning. 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Our show starts with the seven oh two open line. 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: You're welcome to call us on oh one one eight 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: eight three oh seven oh two or send it what's 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: up on seven two, seven oh two one seven oh 13 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: two to share your thoughts with us this morning, including 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the dramatic threats by the U as 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: president on Iran. So he has threatened them that today 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: is D Day. He has threatened them that today is 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: D day. He has issued several self imposed deadlines, saying, 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: if you don't sign a deal, or if you don't 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: open the Strait of Hormuz by this time, you will 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: see Helen fire. He has shifted those deadlines, but also 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: he claimed America was negotiating with an Iranian leader whom 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: he didn't even know for sure was the right person 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: they were talking to, or whether that person legitimately represented 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the Iranian authorities. Remember I played you the clip about 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: a week or so ago where President Trump said, we 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: are negotiating with someone we think represents the Iranian leaders 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: and Iran of course denied that they were in negotiations 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: with the US. But it's also weird that President Trump 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: claims to be in negotiations with an Iranian leader, and 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: yet he has also claimed before that we've obliterated We've 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: killed all of their leadership, their top leadership structure. It's 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: almost like last year in October or was it November 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: the Twelve Day War, when Trump bombed Iran and then 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: he came out and claimed we have obliterated their infrastructure, 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: they will never have a nuclear weapon ever again. And 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: then boom this year bombs Iran again together with Israel 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: because we can't allow them to have a nuclear bomb, 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: Which is which, sir, did you not tell us last 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: year that you have obliterated their entire infrastructure? And that's 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: exactly the same reasoning here. You get told we've killed 41 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: the entire top leadership, and yet you are still talking 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: to the top leaders of the regime. Quite interesting. So 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: the question now is come eight o'clock American time, what's 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: going to happen? Will the US president follow through on 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: his threads and does he actually understand what that will 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: mean holistically, not only for America, but for himself as president, 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: for the world and its economy, and more importantly, for 48 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: the innocent civilians in Iran. 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Well. 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: He tweeted on Sunday that and I quote, and please 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: excuse the language he posted on his socials and I quote, 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: this is the president of the US, he said, and 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: I quote, Tuesday will be power plant Day and bridge Day, 54 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: all wrapped up in one. 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: In Iran. 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: Open the ff strait. That's the F word. Open the 57 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: firfth straight of homus, you crazy bustards, or you will 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: be living in hell. Just watch Praise be to Allah 59 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: end quote. What a terrible disgusting post from a head 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: of state on so many levels. One, you are mocking 61 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: the religion of the Iranians because Donald Trump is Christian, 62 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: at least that's what he is claimed to be publicly. 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: So to finish off that post with praise be to 64 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Allah after making threats to wipe out the millions of 65 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: people is wild. And it's Easter weekend. You claim to 66 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: be a Christian, you claim to represent the interests of 67 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: largely Christians in America, You stand on Christian principles and values, 68 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: and on one of the most important days that are 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: central to your faith as a Christian, the Day of 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: the Resurrection, you go and treat such profanity, threatening to 71 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: kill innocent civilians and plunging them into a catastrophe. 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: Because that's what he's doing. 73 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: He's literally threatening to destroy an entire country because he 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: is not getting his way. Also, didn't Trump say he 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: doesn't need a deal to open the strait of Homus 76 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: now he's begging for it. Didn't he say he doesn't 77 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: need the help of NATO allies, and yet now he's begging. 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: He's going after them and saying, you European countries refuse 79 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: to help us, and will remember that, But you said 80 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: you don't even need them. Listen to what Donald Trump 81 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: said yesterday at the White House. 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: The entire country could be taken out in one night, 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: and that night might be tomorrow night. 84 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: So which is it? 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Are you winding this down to acting you? 86 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't It depends what they do. 87 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: This is a critical period. They have a period of 88 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: well till tomorrow. At eight o'clock I gave them an extension. 89 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: They asked for an extension of seven days, right, I said, Steve, 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: give them ten days. Ten days is up actually today, 91 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: So I gave them a leven. I guess indirectly I 92 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: thought it was inappropriate the day after Easter. I want 93 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: to be a nice person. They have till tomorrow. Now 94 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. I can tell you they're negotiating. 95 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: We think in good faith. We're going to find out. 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: We're getting the help of some incredible countries that want 97 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: this to be ended because it affects them. Also a 98 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: lot of people are affected by this. But we're giving them. 99 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: We're giving them till tomorrow o'clock Eastern time, and after 100 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: that they're gonna have no bridges. They're gonna have no 101 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: power plants, stone ages. 102 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, in order for Iran to successfully meet your deadline tomorrow, 103 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 4: do they have to make a deal, open the street 104 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 4: or both. 105 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: We have to have a deal that's acceptable to me. 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: And part of that deal is going to be we 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: want free traffic of oil and everything else. 108 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 5: That your threat to bomb power plants and bridges at. 109 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: No I hope, I don't have to do it. They're 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: very good boat artists. That's why for forty seven years 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: they've been both another bid. 112 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said yesterday. So the welfare of 113 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: civilians MHM is no longer a priority to America, the 114 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: welfare of civilians in Iran. Remember, America was positioning itself as, Oh, 115 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: we care about the Iranian people, that's why we're gonna 116 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: bomb and then they must go out for and and 117 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: and make sure that a regime change. So the welfare 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: of innocent civilians in Iran don't matter anymore because they 119 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: are going to be killed, if that post by Trump 120 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and what he said yesterday in the White House is 121 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: anything to go by. And maybe Trump is actually upset 122 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: that Iranians didn't heed his call for regime change. 123 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: But why would they? 124 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Why would they do that when you are killing young 125 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: innocent girls while they're at school because they bombed that school. Remember, 126 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: why would Iranian support you when you killed their religious 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: leader like that? Why would they support you when you 128 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: are threatening to kill them as innocent bystanders. You want 129 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: to blow up their bridges, you're to blow up their 130 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure because you're not getting your way, that's almost a 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: one hundred million people. The people that will die, people 132 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: are going to starve, people are going to move into 133 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: other countries. You are going to cause mass suffering and death. 134 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: And don't get me misted on the impact this will 135 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: have on the global economy. You want to plunge the 136 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: world into global depression and femine because you have. 137 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: Lost the war. 138 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Why would it be wrong for Hamas to kill civilians 139 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: in Israel? But when Israel and America kill innocent civilians, 140 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: that's justified. There must be a reason for that. This 141 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: is really wild. I'm interested to hear what your thoughts 142 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: are about this latest development coming out of America and 143 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen come eight o'clock. 144 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Spare thought for the countries in the Gulf, what seven 145 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: or so other allies of the US, some of the 146 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: biggest oil producing countries in the world, who have always 147 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: consistently supported America, even they are saying, please don't target 148 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: energy infrastructure. The impact is going to be consequential. It's 149 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: gonna be devastating. He's not even listening to them. And 150 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: for the Americans who don't support this war, the President's 151 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: message to them as well. You're a fool. I mean, 152 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: it's it's quite crazy. Let me know your thoughts on 153 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: one one eight eight three h seven oh two what's up? 154 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Seven two seven oh two one seven oh two. I'm 155 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: also interested in your thoughts about what the Secretary General 156 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: of the A and C said over the weekend figure 157 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: in Ballula. He said that the trust in the ANC 158 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: has been diminished. And I just thought to myself, Okay, 159 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: who's responsible for that? 160 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 6: Huhm? 161 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: How many A and C leaders have brought the A 162 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and C into disrepute and as a result led to 163 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: the trust in the A and C diminishing? And where 164 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: are those leaders right now? So I thought we should 165 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: play a game this morning. Let's see how far we're 166 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: going to go until we wrap up the seven oh 167 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: two open line. Give me a leader of the ANC 168 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: who has brought this organization into disrepute, who is still 169 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: very much in the ANC. I'll start you with one 170 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: we spoke about her last year last week, Sissito Lashi, 171 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: the Social Development Minister who received two Chinese luxury vehicles 172 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: from Chinese officials, didn't declare them in parliament as a 173 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: member of the Executive and then when she was asked 174 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: a question, who why didn't you declare these two luxury 175 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Chinese vehicles and she said, well they were a donation 176 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: to the ANC Women's League because she's the president of 177 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: the ANC Women's League. Well, I brought in the ANC 178 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Women's League Secretary General on air last week Thursday, who 179 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: said that's not true. She's effectively lying. The ANC Women's 180 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Leage says, we have no records of vehicles that were 181 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: given to us. Where Cissy to lash sisisito Lasha? Now, oh, 182 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: she's still very much comfortably in her position. And I 183 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: haven't even touched on the other scandals where she's had 184 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: a chief of staff who doesn't have their experience, ends 185 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: or qualifies, and yet you and I as taxpayers were 186 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: paying her over one point four or so million rand. 187 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: How about Zulim Kise hmm remember VB a scandal and 188 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: how the fingers were pointing to him, his family, his 189 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: close allies. Where is he now? Well, he's comfortable there 190 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: in parliament representing the ANC. How about Nobuleian Gaban, the 191 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: former High Education Minister who effectively lied in parliament refused 192 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: to be held accountable. Well, she has been appointed the 193 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: deputy Chief whip of the ANC, sen zum Kunu, whom 194 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: we've heard so much about it, the Maslanka Commission and 195 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: ad Hoc Committee. 196 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Where is he now? 197 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh, he's resumed, He's filled his duties in the A 198 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: and C. I can go on and on and on. 199 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: Who else? Please remind me. Let's see how far we 200 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: can go, because maybe the ANC needs to realize that 201 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: they need to look within. They are still doing things 202 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: today that are going to diminish the trust that people 203 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: have in the organization. And when you keep people who 204 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: have brought your party into disrupute, you keep them as 205 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: if nothing happened. What do you think is going to happen? 206 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: South Africans are not stupid. So I've given you these 207 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: four names. That's just a starter. I could give you 208 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: probably ten more. How many ANC leaders have brought the 209 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: ANC into disrupute? Who do you know and where are 210 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: they right now? Give me a call, send me what's up? 211 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: Voice notes. At ten o'clock we're gonna do our monthly feature, 212 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the Healing Hour. Today we're healing from toxic parents. Yes, 213 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: there are parents and guardians who have abused their children, 214 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: who have let them down. And I know some of 215 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: you prefer to tell your stories via email because you 216 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: don't want to call it ten. If you prefer that, 217 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: send an email on CM at seven two. Otherwise, give 218 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: us a call at ten o'clock when we start our 219 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Healing Hour at eleven, we're gonna do our World of 220 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: Work feature today We're discussing why many employees remain in 221 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: unhealthy work environment and then wrap up the show at 222 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: eleven thirty on our Health and Wellness Future, we'll be 223 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: discussing period safety today. That's the show coming up over 224 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: the next three hours. Clement Manyatela streaming on the Prime 225 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: Media Plus. 226 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: At do your TV channel eight five six seven and them. 227 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 7: Claims her good day will come back seem yeah claim 228 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 7: and just is this the same term? Was asking for 229 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 7: a Nobel this price? When is killing threatening innocent people 230 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 7: in Iran? 231 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: This guy. 232 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 7: And asking South Africa to stop killing a white from us? 233 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: Hey? 234 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: What this. 235 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 8: Good morning, Clement and seven or two lenders. This is 236 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 8: Emma from Pretoria. Jesus has reason, Hallelujah. Canneted my obsession 237 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 8: with the wars that America starts as just beyond measure 238 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 8: right I The empire is naked no matter what we 239 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 8: want to say, this is not the war that Trump ordered. 240 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 8: He ordered a slightly different wine. It's not turning out 241 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 8: like you thought it would, so he does. He's in 242 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 8: a very difficult position. He's trying to maintain a certain 243 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 8: facade right of of winning while at the same time 244 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 8: he knows they're not and he's trying to pressure Iran. 245 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 9: Can ah. 246 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 8: Ah, it is not Iran. It is Persia and as 247 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 8: one of the oldest, one of the oldest and most 248 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 8: educated civilizations in the world. 249 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: And I mean I must. 250 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: Say I love the Lego Movi is right. I live 251 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: for them. 252 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 8: So one of the most intriguing things this weekend was 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 8: watching the story on the Pilot Rescue or not the 254 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 8: Pilot Rescue. Thank you, Clement. 255 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: More Cleamy Florisia from the Beautiful Western Cape. Hope you 256 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: enjoyed your is the holiday is Clamy. You never know 257 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: what Trump, if this guy is bluffing, or if he 258 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: actually is going to follow through these threats. And on 259 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 4: this one power plant bridges, I don't think he would 260 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: be that naive or foolish because let me tell you, 261 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: other countries I'll then go in to step in. So yeah, 262 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: for me, I would like to believe, and I would 263 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: like to hope that this is just bluffing, trying to 264 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: force Iran's and. 265 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: By yeah, well, let's wait and see is he bluffing 266 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: is he not? And when you say the world is 267 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: gonna join which world? You think European countries are gonna 268 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: what join? 269 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: What? 270 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Thenateka America? That's never gonna happen. They're just going to 271 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: sit idly and look the other way. Well, you'll be 272 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: lucky if any of them think. The French president in fact, 273 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: has been really the bravest so far in Europe because 274 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: he's the first one ever to come out and say 275 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: stop killing civilians even when Israel was killing was on 276 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: a killing spree in Gaza. He was one of the 277 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: first European leaders to come out and say we support Israel. 278 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, we support Israel, but if when 279 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: they're committing war crimes, we're going to call them out. 280 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: Do you think when Trump bombs Iran like that and 281 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: millions of people die, millions of people are displaced, infrastructure 282 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: is destroyed, you think they're going to come up and 283 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: say what, I'm not holding my breath aby you calling 284 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: us from Derwin in Cazar and what are your thoughts? 285 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Clement. 286 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 10: Please give me a minute to explain the issue of 287 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 10: Trump threatening to bomb power stations and bridges. I'll be 288 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 10: as quick as possible. In the nineteen ninety one Gulf War, 289 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 10: old Man George Bush bombed Iraq for forty two days. 290 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 10: Electricity power stations, dammed, water filtration plants, all way bombed. 291 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 10: This was a war crime because according to the Rome 292 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 10: Statutes and Geneva Conventions, you cannot bomb any structure that 293 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 10: will have an adverse effect on the civilian population. But 294 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 10: at that time no action was taken against Old Bush. 295 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 10: Then in nineteen ninety three, his son Small Bush the Shrub, 296 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 10: said that he intended to bomb Iraq on the false 297 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 10: claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. And in 298 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 10: the six months before the bombing, activists from around the 299 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 10: world arrived in Iraq because legal experts and the UN 300 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 10: also said very loudly and clearly attacking civilian sites was 301 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 10: a war crime. And I took thirty three South Africans 302 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 10: to Iraq on the very day that the war started, 303 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 10: and I spread them all out, some at electricity power 304 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 10: stations and a few at water filtation plants and other people. Well, 305 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 10: I was also there with three people at an electricity 306 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 10: power station, and people were there for many other countries. 307 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 10: I remember one very defiant ato old lady from America 308 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 10: who was thoroughly fed up with George Bush. Anyway, we 309 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 10: sent factors to the officers of Tony Blay and George 310 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 10: Bush and to the media, informing them of our names 311 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 10: and nationalities and our location at each one of these sites, 312 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 10: and that if they dropped a bomb on us then 313 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 10: we would be dead, of course, but will be recorded 314 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 10: as clear evidence that a war crime had been committed. 315 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 10: It was, of course, very very scary, as one time 316 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 10: bombs were falling all around us, and of the civilian 317 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 10: sites were bombed. Anyway, for the past few days, Donald 318 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 10: Trump said He's going to bomb bridges and electricity power 319 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 10: stations and so on. Already hundreds of legal experts have 320 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 10: again declared that if he does that, it will be 321 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 10: a clear war crime, and it was. 322 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: It is a war crime in fact, I mean deliberate 323 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: attacks on civilian infrastructure violates the Geneva Conventions and international laws. 324 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: Who cares about international law. 325 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 10: Aby, Well, well, he was asked about it yesterday and 326 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 10: he shrugged it off, saying he's not concerned. And somebody said, 327 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 10: what about if some of the military personnel decide not 328 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 10: to take part because it's illegal, and he said, well, 329 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 10: that will be sedition, sedition because and that could mean 330 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 10: that they could be hanged for that. Also, well, it 331 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 10: looks like he could face impeachment if he does this. 332 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: Bombs, I'm not holding my breath. 333 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, then I'm not holding my breath. Aby, That's 334 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: what everybody said after even Venice, the that operation in Venezuela, WI, 335 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: they kidnapped an entire head of state. So I don't know, 336 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: but let's hear what the other listeners think. Abe in Durban, 337 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: thank you for your thoughts. Or you are in Midrand, 338 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: what do you think? 339 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 6: Hi? 340 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 11: Money money, Mandy Major, good money to you, Madam Major. 341 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 11: You know, you know, you know what is the problem. 342 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 11: The problem is the global self, including Asia and the 343 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 11: Middle East itself. Well, we know that there are a 344 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 11: couple of presidents or leaders in the Middle East that 345 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 11: are on Donald's trumps our pockets, or that are sends 346 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 11: of Tonal Trumps. But the global South, we're not. Our 347 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 11: presidents and and and and in the global self are 348 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 11: not making enough noise because we know that Europe is 349 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 11: not gonna say anything because this is a white male. 350 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 11: This is the white male that is doing this. Europe 351 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 11: that's gonna keep quite a couple of people in Europe 352 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 11: will make noise. It is president and all of that. 353 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 11: But the problem, yeah, is that we are dealing with 354 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 11: this moron that is not going to that is going 355 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 11: to do whatever he wants to do. So the only 356 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 11: people that can save us, yeah, are either two people, 357 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 11: either he ran or the American themselves by in pitching 358 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 11: these guys, Okay, all are the only people that can 359 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 11: save us because because I don't see I don't see 360 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 11: how even China or Russia, and and and also in 361 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 11: Russia they are like. 362 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 10: Quiet, They're not making enough noise to let this guy 363 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 10: know that he is not the president of the world. 364 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: I saw a Chinese official, I saw a Chinese official 365 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: the other day saying, you know, sometimes when your enemy 366 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: is making a fool of themselves, you shouldn't interrupt them. 367 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: You must just allow them to continue making a fool 368 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: of themselves. And it almost looks like from a Chinese 369 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: even perspectively, that's the approach they've taken. Oh, let's see, 370 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: because you can see the president of the US is frustrated. 371 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, is that the president of this global powerhouse, 372 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: the most powerful country in the world. You could argue 373 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: by different measures, he's panicking. He keeps on giving deadlines 374 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: that he shifts his explanation. There's no strategy to this war. 375 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: It's been a bombing hope strategy the entire time. It's 376 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: it's really going to be fascinating. Hold on, thank you, 377 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: John in four Way is high. 378 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: Sure, Ahad? 379 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 12: You know what, I think America is guilty of war crimes. 380 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 12: And I've just been, you know, really surprised how people 381 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 12: can differentiate between Israel and the US. Whatever Israel has 382 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 12: been doing in Gaza and they now Livebanon and now 383 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 12: in Iran, it's with the support of America, you know, 384 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 12: either intelligence sharing and the military supp live of military hardware. Actually, 385 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 12: Donald Trump himself is a war criminal, you know so, 386 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 12: But people don't want to say it because they would 387 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 12: like to go to the US one day. And it's surprise, surprise. 388 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 12: Even people in so called Arab countries, you know, they 389 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 12: know about these things and they just play along. They 390 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 12: keep quiet because they're scared of talking about this issue. 391 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 12: You know, America is guilty of war crimes in Gaza, 392 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 12: in Libanon and now in Ruan, and and some of 393 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 12: us are glad that for once Iran can hit back. 394 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 12: So America now know that not every country is just 395 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 12: gonna sit back and they will claip back and they 396 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 12: are mooring them, you know, And that is the right thing, 397 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 12: because everybody else is scared, you know. Thank you, thank 398 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 12: you Levin. 399 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you John. 400 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's wait for eight o'clock. That's all I'll say. 401 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: That's wait for eight o'clock. What time is it in 402 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: America right now? It's probably like what in Washington, DC? 403 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: Is at one am? 404 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: Two am right now in America. 405 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm just checking here because I want to see in 406 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: a couple of Oh, it's three thirty in America in Washington, 407 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: DC right now. So in a couple of hours we 408 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: will know if Donald Trump was bluffing or if he's 409 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: going to take what probably will be the biggest risk 410 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: he's ever taken as president since he came into office 411 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: in both these two terms. And one wonders if he 412 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: goes with that threat, what that will mean for him 413 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: as president? What will it mean for America. What will 414 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: it mean for the world in our economy, but more importantly, 415 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: what will it mean for the innocent civili in America 416 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: that Trump himself claimed he prioritized. It's twenty four minutes 417 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: now before ten o'clock, So this is the seven or 418 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: two open line. If you've just joined us, we've been 419 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: talking about what has happened in the US over the 420 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. The president of the US, President Trump, 421 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: has given Iran they've got now a couple of hours, 422 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: just about five or so hours for them to decide, 423 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: because it's what three four am now in Washington, DC, 424 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: So you need about what four five hours for Iran 425 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: to open the Strait of Humus or else. 426 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: Donald Trump has promised. 427 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: And committed to violating international law by are taking public infrastructure, hospital, energy, infrastructure, 428 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: power plants, which in fact, when you look at the 429 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Vienna Convention, it is against international law. But then again, 430 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: who cares about international law? Hey, who cares about the 431 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: Geneva Conventions and what international law says? Definitely not the 432 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: US president, because that's completely out of the window. That's 433 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: why now he's Cuba is on the list. He says, 434 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Cuba is next Venezuela. 435 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: Tick. 436 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: Just pray that South Africa is not on that list, 437 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: because nothing stops him from coming to either kidnap your 438 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: own president here, our president, just because of whatever he 439 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: may come up with, whether it's rational or not. So 440 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm taking your thoughts on that. I've also been asking 441 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: you a question about the African National Congress. The Secretary 442 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: General of the A and C, figure and Blula said 443 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: over the weekend that they trust in the A and 444 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: C has been diminished. But I'm asking who is responsible 445 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: for that? And I'm demonstrated. I've demonstrated it to you 446 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: by giving you the names of leaders of the ANC 447 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: who have brought the organization into disrepute, and yet they're 448 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: still very much in charge of certain structures of the organization. 449 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: They're still very much part of the organization. And then 450 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: you ask yourself, you wonder why the trust in the 451 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: A and C diminishes. So I've been asking you if 452 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: you're thinking of other people that have brought the organization 453 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: into disrepute and yet the A and C still embraces them. 454 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Here are some of your what's ups that have come through. 455 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 5: Good morning, Clement. Will you hear from BRESNW look, Clement, 456 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 5: I can think of two people during the COVID nineteen period, Yes, 457 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: Cusella Dico and who has removed from a position there 458 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 5: and then she's now in parliament now yeah, she's in power, 459 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 5: meant an MP. And the other one is doctor Bandi 460 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 5: le Masuku was literally removed as the m C for 461 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 5: help in a hotel, sticking out of his position. But 462 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 5: where is he now? I see it's now very very 463 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 5: much and in the structures of the agency in Twine region, 464 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: the very very very very much involved there. 465 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 7: Oh yeah what the renewal h good morning Clement. 466 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 467 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 6: And c leaders who are who are. 468 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 13: Were very who are very controversial and and and then unscrupulus. 469 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 13: You have David Marshall, you have Cedric Frolick, very mantas 470 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 13: who are all implicated in the Zondo commission. And where 471 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 13: are they now? The other one is a minister, that 472 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 13: one is a deputy minister. The other one is in 473 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 13: Frolick is in parliament. Now you have all these guys 474 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 13: who are there you know, you know ye're lement es 475 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 13: us you rememberable both it's more tam b. Yeah, the 476 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 13: list is endless. 477 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: This other guy. 478 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 6: Saving this. 479 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 13: And yet you see you come and see those guys 480 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 13: campaigning for A and C Yeah, what's that I'm telling you. 481 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 13: I'm telling you he's gone and he's gone. You know 482 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 13: whatever they try and say this renewal, renewal, whatever. I 483 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 13: don't see any other renewal there. I just see recycling 484 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 13: of old crooks. 485 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 6: That's it. 486 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 13: That's my take, Coleman and. 487 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: Selling them too. Clement's helpline. It's twenty minutes before turn out. Lock. 488 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: Let's go back to your calls now, Renee. You are 489 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: in Kensington. 490 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 6: Good morning, Good morning, Clement, and I hope the East 491 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 6: the weekend. 492 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, did you? Yeah? 493 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Clement. Clement, I am probably the only 494 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 6: Trump support a year. Are hear many of the listeners 495 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 6: calling in and telling us how bad the US is. 496 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 6: One listener even said that it would be good for 497 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 6: us to be ruled by Iran. He must welcome it. 498 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 6: In fact, in Iran is already in our country. The 499 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 6: money that was found in Paala Pala came from Iran. 500 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 6: We all know it. I probably know more about the 501 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 6: Middle East than most listeners. But here's the thing that 502 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 6: I want to share with you, Clement. Go and listen 503 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 6: to an interview that Kamala Harris did with a journalist 504 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 6: when she was running for president, and the journalist asked 505 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 6: her what is the biggest threat to America. She said Iran, 506 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 6: and then the journalist asked her, would you act on it? 507 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 6: And she confidently said yes, And Kamala wasn't smiling. She 508 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 6: actually seemed very very scared. So you know, this has 509 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 6: been a policy for America before Trump even became president. 510 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 6: America knows that Iran is the biggest threat. Also, if 511 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 6: Iran survives this clement, then the Middle East will be 512 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 6: split into two. Your countries like Saudi Arabia UAE will 513 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 6: go with Israel, and your other countries like Yemen and 514 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 6: the other two Arab states will go with Iran. That's 515 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 6: what's going to happen. The Sunni Arabs are sick and 516 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 6: tired of the Shia Muslims because they the Sunni Arabs 517 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 6: just want peace. They want to live like Western people. 518 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 6: They want peace, they want their people to prosper. The 519 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 6: other guys in Iran they don't want it. They want 520 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 6: to rule and conquer the world and behead people. That's 521 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 6: just my comment, but very important to Clement go and 522 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 6: listen to that. Interview with Kamala Iras and you'll see 523 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 6: what I'm talking about. 524 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Renee, the US has of course always seen 525 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Iran as a threat, but the administration of Barack Obama 526 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: actually signed a deal, a deal that would ensure that 527 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: there are going to be continuous monitoring and inspections even 528 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: in Iran, which is why we've got that other organization 529 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: that often checks how far is are you building any 530 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons? Is there enrichments that getsing to a point 531 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: where it becomes a risk. That organization itself has come 532 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: out to say there is no evidence that Iran is 533 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: building a nuclear weapon. To see Garbird, right, the head 534 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: of intelligence in America said, we have no everdence that 535 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: there is an imminent thread on America or that Iran 536 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: is getting to a stage where they're going to have 537 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. So if your own head of security 538 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: says that what basis is your foundation, then, as the 539 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: president of the US, because you must work on intelligence 540 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you get from your officials, let. 541 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 6: Me respond that everybody knows that Iran, even the Minister 542 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 6: to the U N the Ambassador to the UN admitted 543 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 6: and acknowledged that they had four hundred and forty kilograms 544 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 6: of uranium ready for processing. The the the is it 545 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 6: the I I that the monkey actually found that to 546 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 6: be true. And the other thing that you must remember 547 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 6: is Barank Obama and Biden and Clinton thought that they 548 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 6: could buy the Iranians of They sent a plane a 549 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 6: seven fourth saving full of money to Iran. And what 550 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 6: happened to that? They the I A A. 551 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: The I A e A says they don't believe that 552 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: Iran is close to building a nuclear weapon. 553 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: They said, there's no. 554 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 6: Evidence they would have varied within a month. 555 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 10: You know. 556 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: But I'm saying they're very ie that the very I 557 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: A e A that you talk about, I've played it slip. 558 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I'll try to find it now. The president 559 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: the head is it the director of president getting the 560 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: name of this chap, But I'll find it now. He said, 561 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: we don't have evidence, and we've never had that evidence 562 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: that Iran is close to building a nuclear weapon. But 563 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: let me ask this, Renee, since you are so against 564 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: countries building nuclear weapons and having that, do you think 565 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: Israel has nuclear weapons? 566 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 6: Well, everybody knows that they do. Pakistan has nuclear Is 567 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 6: that okay? Weapons? 568 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: For Iran to have a nuclear I mean for Israel 569 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: to have nuclear weapons and Iran can have nuclear weapons. 570 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 6: They are being threatened on a daily basis. Why should 571 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 6: they not have nuclear weapons? 572 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: But they are counter threads. Iran is threatened too, so 573 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: is Israel. 574 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 6: No Iran is the street Clement. This is what you 575 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 6: don't see. See America as the big threat and Israel 576 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 6: as the second spit. Their whole goal is to take. 577 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 2: Iran is being bombed right now, Renee. 578 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: If there are counter threads, why is it okay for 579 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: one country to have nuclear weapons to defend itself and 580 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: another country shouldn't. 581 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 6: Of the Middle East, not just America. They threatened the 582 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 6: whole of the Middle East. Do you not understand that? 583 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: Do you not see that? 584 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 14: Why? 585 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 6: Why do you think Saddam Mussein attacked them in the 586 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 6: in the nineties, why in nineteen eighty, Why do you 587 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 6: think you're attacked them because they are the biggest threats. 588 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to do Okay, Okay, let's let's leave it there. 589 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: Let's let's hear what the other listeners think. All I'm 590 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: saying is, go and look at every single country that 591 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: America said must not have nuclear weapons. Go and look 592 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: at what happened to those countries, which is why you're 593 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: going to have countries like Iran. Whether you agree or 594 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: not with the administration or regime, if you want to 595 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: call it that, that's a separate conversation you and I 596 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: can have. I'm talking now about they're North Korean leader 597 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: even said, this is exactly why we've got the weapons 598 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: we have, because there is a level of undermining that 599 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: comes with when you give up your nukes. And it's 600 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: happened many times. Go to the countries Libya, Mmm, go 601 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: to the countries that America has invaded and intervened in militarily. 602 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 2: What happened? 603 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: Give up your nukes. They come after you because they 604 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: know you are defenseless. So why would you surprise You 605 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: be surprised then, when there are certain countries who are 606 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: actually thinking. Now in this world where there's an American 607 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: president who is unhinged, who can just take a decision 608 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: at a whim to just bomb your power plant, where 609 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: a girl a young children's school is going to be 610 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: bombed and we lose hundreds of young girls, you think 611 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: countries are not thinking about the way to protect themselves. 612 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: You can disagree with a regime or an administration, but 613 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: never forget that there are innocent civilians who live in 614 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: those countries that are run by these people, and those 615 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: are the people you must at least have a hurt for. 616 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to have a heart for their leaders. 617 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: Have a heart for innocent civilians who've got nothing to 618 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: do with this war, who've got nothing to do with 619 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: the current administration in Iran. Some of them don't even 620 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: support the administration in Iran. And those are the people 621 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: that are dying and will continue to die as these 622 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: attacks continue in Iran. It's twelve minutes now before ten 623 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: o'clock seven two. 624 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 2: What's up, Clement? And seven to seven o two one 625 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: seven two. 626 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: Patricia, you calling us from Johannes But good morning, Good. 627 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 9: Morning, Clement. I am an Iranian by origin, and I 628 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 9: had to leave Iran. Actually I had to flee Iran 629 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 9: in nineteen seventeen nine because I was being prosecuted. My 630 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 9: family was hanged and executed. And I promised you, and 631 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 9: I know it firsthand from the people from my family 632 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 9: and friends who are living in Iran, that they are 633 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 9: one hundred person behind Donald Trump. They don't agree with 634 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 9: his tactics, but they have no other way out of freedom. 635 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,959 Speaker 9: They are hoping that through this they will get some 636 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 9: kind of freedom and relief. They are hoping that the 637 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 9: sacrifices that the innocent civilians are making underground will bear 638 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 9: fruit and they'll have some kind of relief. It's true, 639 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 9: civilians are being killed in Iran in the war. Do 640 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 9: you have any idea how many innocent civilians the current 641 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 9: regime has executed? Has hung eighteen year olds, nineteen year 642 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 9: olds boxing champion? So please, Clement, do your homework on 643 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 9: the ground and don't judge it based on face value. 644 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 9: I have no more comments to say. I just wanted 645 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 9: you to have this information first hand from an Iranian 646 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 9: who left had to flee around. 647 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: Thank you, Patricia. Do you want to engage? Oh she 648 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: just cut the call. You see. That's not an engagement. 649 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: In fact, that questions your entire statement. It really does. 650 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: Do you genuinely are telling us a story of what happened? 651 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: Or did you just want to put up a story 652 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: and escape being asked questions on the open line? Here 653 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: we engage you, don't come and give us a liloquy. 654 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: And you leave. 655 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: That's not how it works. Engage me, because I've got 656 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: questions to ask you. If You've got family still stuck 657 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: in ira right now. Are you supportive of that family 658 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: being killed right now by the US bombs? That's why 659 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: I said, Elliot, let's not conflate issues. We can have 660 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: a separate conversation about the Iranian administration and how it's 661 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: twisted its own people. In fact, I've interviewed the ambassador 662 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: before of Iran, I've interviewed Iranian officials where I ask, 663 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: but what about what you do to your own civilians. 664 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: That's a separate chet that I've had. I'm talking now 665 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: about the tactics that are used by the US. So, 666 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: as a former Iranian who's left the country, I'm glad 667 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: you have and I'm so sorry that your family was 668 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: victimized at that level. So it must be a double blow. Hey, 669 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: there are civilians right now in Iran who have been 670 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: victimized by their administration, their government. On top of that, 671 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: they must also be killed by bombs coming from Israel 672 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: in America because of a supposed thread that not even 673 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: the American intelligence directors have confirmed, not even the IAEA 674 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: has confirmed. So what exactly are these countries working on? 675 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: What intelligence are they working on when their own intelligence 676 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: heads in America saying there's no imminent thread. We have 677 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: no evidence that Iran was close to building a nuclear weapon. 678 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: So if you care so much about civilians, if you 679 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: care so much about what the administration has done to 680 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: the civilians, then you will care so much about the 681 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: potential consequences on the very same innocent civilians if America 682 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: goes ahead with its threat. Come eight o'clock this morning, 683 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: it's seven minutes before ten seven two. 684 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 2: What's up, clement on O seven to seven oh two 685 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 2: one seven. 686 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: Four minutes before ten out clock. Let's put some of 687 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: your wortsp voice notes on the seven or two open line. 688 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 15: Mister LeMond, the very same figure in Baalola has admitted 689 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 15: uh possibly last year he ye had admitted that they 690 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 15: like about the swimming pool, and in Galgia he has 691 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 15: admitted to that. He admitted and said we had to 692 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 15: change the swimming pool name into the firepool, whereas in 693 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 15: reality it is the swimming pool to avoid the consequences 694 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 15: and stuff. So now you mustn't come and tell us 695 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 15: that the AMC has been put into this repute by who. 696 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 15: Now it is him who said those things that they 697 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 15: lied to us. They did corruption and they liked, so 698 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,240 Speaker 15: they must take accountability. 699 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 14: Last morn year, Good morning, Clement, A good show as always. 700 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 14: Remember they're saying, we all have skeletons in our closet. 701 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 14: There's also one gentleman who kept dollars in in a sofa, 702 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 14: and there's a gentleman whose trip was paid for when 703 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 14: he was a minis of spots. So it looks like, 704 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,760 Speaker 14: you know, it's almost ninety percent of ANC members who 705 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 14: have brought the organization into dis recruit it's ready power 706 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 14: from Midran. 707 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, and yet they want to talk about how 708 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: hey you as we are witnessing the ANC that is 709 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: whose trust is diminishing. And then you look at the organization, 710 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: you say, but the people that have led to that 711 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 1: trust diminishing are still very much here