Speaker 1: Right, Let's focus our attention now on a press briefing
Speaker 1: given by Floyd's Shibambu. I don't know how we describe him,
Speaker 1: but he is involved in an initiative, the Mayibuya initiative,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and this is his going out
Speaker 1: into the country to consult with people and reach a
Speaker 1: decision about whether they ought to form a political party.
Speaker 1: He used the occasion to introduce those people who'll be
Speaker 1: working with him, and there was plenty of discussion about
Speaker 1: some of those names as well. Tabby saw Gorba was
Speaker 1: watching everything and joins us now on seven oh two Drive.
Speaker 1: Tubby saw, first of all, what do you make of this?
Speaker 1: I mean, did you have a sense that something substantial,
Speaker 1: some game changing thing is happening in South African politics
Speaker 1: or is it too early to say?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's little to say, John. I mean
Speaker 2: we've been here John before. We've been here with Dakhan,
Speaker 2: We've been here with actual Essay, We've been here with
Speaker 2: raizin Zanzi. They starts off as sort of these little
Speaker 2: thing tanks and then eventually, obviously close to election, they
Speaker 2: become political parties. And I think that's what we've seen
Speaker 2: here with flour Shabambo's concept my boy consultation panel process. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I mean, and it was interesting that aside from him,
Speaker 2: the other speakers, we're basically introducing this as a political party,
Speaker 2: sort of like a bit of fruit and slips where
Speaker 2: people are saying it's a party and then have to
Speaker 2: create themselves. Oh a process. So it does seem like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Flourisha Bamba has not made up his
Speaker 2: mind yet, but the people around him have made up
Speaker 2: their mind. And I think what history tells us is
Speaker 2: that eventually this will become a political party.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about the inclusion in this consultation panel
Speaker 1: of Pastor Stephen Sondo. First of all, background on him,
Speaker 1: because not everybody will necessarily recognize the name but controversial
Speaker 1: and Floyd Shubamboo obviously responded to the questions in that.
Speaker 2: Regard controversial controversial person and so Pastor Bishops Bishop Stevens Zondo.
Speaker 2: He came from the ANC, he was at the MK
Speaker 2: party and now he's at Floyd Shivambu's consultation process. But
Speaker 2: the think the most interesting thing about him is that
Speaker 2: as we speak, he currently has an ongoing painting case
Speaker 2: at the Praetora high courts where he's accused of multiple
Speaker 2: charges of sexual assaults and also raping women from his
Speaker 2: own congregation. Now, Flour Shivamba was asked about this, and
Speaker 2: I quote this, John, he said, Pasta Bishop Zondo has
Speaker 2: not been convicted of anything. And I think it's interesting, John,
Speaker 2: that last month Floyd Shivambo went to my lobbie to
Speaker 2: visit Pasta Shepperd Buscheri. And we do know that Pasta
Speaker 2: Shepperd Buscherier was also charged with rape among other among
Speaker 2: other crimes that he was charged with before he fled
Speaker 2: to my lobby. So it does seem that for Flour Shavambo,
Speaker 2: he said, you know, he hasn't been convicted of anything,
Speaker 2: so it's fine, but it does seem that he keeps
Speaker 2: on associating with himself with these very very controversial characters.
Speaker 1: And just finally and briefly, Toby saw if you can,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a kind of a thread here because
Speaker 1: if you look at the MK party at the time
Speaker 1: of its launch bringing in religious figures, and it would seem,
Speaker 1: I would imagine hoping that they will bring some of
Speaker 1: their fold, their flock, their following. Call it what you
Speaker 1: will as voters. I recall a real fallout with some
Speaker 1: of those pastors religious figures who felt the MK Party
Speaker 1: had not kept promises that they believe had been made.
Speaker 1: Is this a fertile area for gathering votes in South Africa?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they're assuming, perhaps correctly or incorrectly,
Speaker 1: that people who have a particular really just association on
Speaker 1: automatically going to translate that into a political loyalty because
Speaker 1: quite a few people seem to think that's the case.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we can even start with Pastor Steven Zondo.
Speaker 2: Even with the cases surrounding him, he still has a
Speaker 2: lot of support when in his church he has a
Speaker 2: very large congregation, So there is that sense that you know,
Speaker 2: associating himself with very popular people might result in some votes.
Speaker 2: But also I think Flosha Vembers also associated himself with
Speaker 2: the trade union mailsa ma Wisa is responsible for the
Speaker 2: EPW workers and there's over around two hundred thousand in
Speaker 2: South Africa. So if he can sort of.
Speaker 1: But not necessarily members not that union.
Speaker 2: He is not necessarily members are not necessarily voters. But
Speaker 2: the idea obviously is to try and get those people
Speaker 2: and then consolidates and turn those into real votes,