WEBVTT - Shivambu considers new party

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Let's focus our attention now on a press briefing

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<v Speaker 1>given by Floyd's Shibambu. I don't know how we describe him,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is involved in an initiative, the Mayibuya initiative,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken, and this is his going out

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<v Speaker 1>into the country to consult with people and reach a

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<v Speaker 1>decision about whether they ought to form a political party.

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<v Speaker 1>He used the occasion to introduce those people who'll be

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<v Speaker 1>working with him, and there was plenty of discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>some of those names as well. Tabby saw Gorba was

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<v Speaker 1>watching everything and joins us now on seven oh two Drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Tubby saw, first of all, what do you make of this?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, did you have a sense that something substantial,

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<v Speaker 1>some game changing thing is happening in South African politics

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<v Speaker 1>or is it too early to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's little to say, John. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we've been here John before. We've been here with Dakhan,

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<v Speaker 2>We've been here with actual Essay, We've been here with

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<v Speaker 2>raizin Zanzi. They starts off as sort of these little

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<v Speaker 2>thing tanks and then eventually, obviously close to election, they

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<v Speaker 2>become political parties. And I think that's what we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>here with flour Shabambo's concept my boy consultation panel process. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and it was interesting that aside from him,

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<v Speaker 2>the other speakers, we're basically introducing this as a political party,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like a bit of fruit and slips where

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<v Speaker 2>people are saying it's a party and then have to

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<v Speaker 2>create themselves. Oh a process. So it does seem like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe Flourisha Bamba has not made up his

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<v Speaker 2>mind yet, but the people around him have made up

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<v Speaker 2>their mind. And I think what history tells us is

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<v Speaker 2>that eventually this will become a political party.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to us about the inclusion in this consultation panel

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<v Speaker 1>of Pastor Stephen Sondo. First of all, background on him,

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<v Speaker 1>because not everybody will necessarily recognize the name but controversial

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<v Speaker 1>and Floyd Shubamboo obviously responded to the questions in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Regard controversial controversial person and so Pastor Bishops Bishop Stevens Zondo.

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<v Speaker 2>He came from the ANC, he was at the MK

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<v Speaker 2>party and now he's at Floyd Shivambu's consultation process. But

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<v Speaker 2>the think the most interesting thing about him is that

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<v Speaker 2>as we speak, he currently has an ongoing painting case

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<v Speaker 2>at the Praetora high courts where he's accused of multiple

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<v Speaker 2>charges of sexual assaults and also raping women from his

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<v Speaker 2>own congregation. Now, Flour Shivamba was asked about this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote this, John, he said, Pasta Bishop Zondo has

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<v Speaker 2>not been convicted of anything. And I think it's interesting, John,

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<v Speaker 2>that last month Floyd Shivambo went to my lobbie to

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<v Speaker 2>visit Pasta Shepperd Buscheri. And we do know that Pasta

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<v Speaker 2>Shepperd Buscherier was also charged with rape among other among

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<v Speaker 2>other crimes that he was charged with before he fled

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<v Speaker 2>to my lobby. So it does seem that for Flour Shavambo,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you know, he hasn't been convicted of anything,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's fine, but it does seem that he keeps

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<v Speaker 2>on associating with himself with these very very controversial characters.

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<v Speaker 1>And just finally and briefly, Toby saw if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a kind of a thread here because

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the MK party at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of its launch bringing in religious figures, and it would seem,

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine hoping that they will bring some of

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<v Speaker 1>their fold, their flock, their following. Call it what you

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<v Speaker 1>will as voters. I recall a real fallout with some

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<v Speaker 1>of those pastors religious figures who felt the MK Party

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<v Speaker 1>had not kept promises that they believe had been made.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a fertile area for gathering votes in South Africa?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you think they're assuming, perhaps correctly or incorrectly,

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<v Speaker 1>that people who have a particular really just association on

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<v Speaker 1>automatically going to translate that into a political loyalty because

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few people seem to think that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we can even start with Pastor Steven Zondo.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with the cases surrounding him, he still has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of support when in his church he has a

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<v Speaker 2>very large congregation, So there is that sense that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>associating himself with very popular people might result in some votes.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I think Flosha Vembers also associated himself with

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<v Speaker 2>the trade union mailsa ma Wisa is responsible for the

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<v Speaker 2>EPW workers and there's over around two hundred thousand in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa. So if he can sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>But not necessarily members not that union.

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<v Speaker 2>He is not necessarily members are not necessarily voters. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea obviously is to try and get those people

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<v Speaker 2>and then consolidates and turn those into real votes,