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Speaker 1: Let's past ten o'clock crossing to Michael Otti. Now Deutsche

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Speaker 1: Vella in Bonn, and we cross to bon every Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The Iran War and its fallout is training relations between

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Speaker 1: the US and its NATO allies. President Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: threatened to pull the US out of the alliance because

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Speaker 1: Europe is largely refused to get sucked into the Iran war.

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Speaker 1: And Trump has repeatedly demanded that Europe sends military ships

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Speaker 1: to the Strait of Oromuz, but Europe has been very reluctant. Michael,

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Speaker 1: why is President Donald Trump threatening to withdraw the US

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Speaker 1: from NATO.

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Speaker 2: Well, clarent I have been listening to your show, and

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Speaker 2: I know that yesterday South Africa was hit by a

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Speaker 2: very big full price hike, and here in Germany we

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Speaker 2: are also dealing with our own full price hike, and

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Speaker 2: that impart is goes through the heart of the discussion

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Speaker 2: that we're having about NATO. Now, President Trump mixed messaging.

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Speaker 2: He has said many times that the Iran War is over,

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Speaker 2: the US has decimated I run, and then in another

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Speaker 2: breath he's asking European allies to send ships to the

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Speaker 2: Strait up four moves. He's blaming European allies of not

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Speaker 2: wanting to help him out when he calls for their help.

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Speaker 2: And the latest accusation has been that the Natal Alliance,

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Speaker 2: according to the Trump administration, tends to work one way.

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Speaker 2: The US helps out Europe, but Europe doesn't help out

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Speaker 2: the US. And so this time round, the US says

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Speaker 2: it is going to pull out of NATO, and that

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Speaker 2: is what the messaging and the discussion has been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of traces around the world on that petrol

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Speaker 1: price front. How have European countries responded to those threats?

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Speaker 2: Michael, Well, across Europe, it has been quite clear from

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Speaker 2: the very outset of this conflict, many European countries have

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Speaker 2: said that they will not get involved in this war

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Speaker 2: because this is not Europe's war. The UK Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Kasta has said this many times, and I draw parallels

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Speaker 2: between the us' Secretary of War to Be tech Set

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Speaker 2: and the German Defense Minister. So on the one hand,

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Speaker 2: pit tech Set has been saying that Europe needs to

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Speaker 2: carry its share of the responsibility when it comes to Iran,

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Speaker 2: but the German Defense Minister has insisted when he met

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Speaker 2: the Australian Prime Minister yesterday, he said, this is not

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Speaker 2: our war and we are not going to get involved

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Speaker 2: in it. We don't want to get sad into this conflict.

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Speaker 2: And you know, pigging back to the point I made earlier,

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Speaker 2: it is because the reality in Europe at the moment,

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Speaker 2: Europe has just come out. I should say, have they

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Speaker 2: come out? They haven't really come out. We havn't really

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Speaker 2: come out of the conflict Russia's war on Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: the impact that that has had on energy prices. Many

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Speaker 2: industries are suffering as a result of this, and so

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Speaker 2: there is no appetite at this moment within Europe to

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Speaker 2: engage in another conflict, especially a conflict where the objectives

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Speaker 2: are not clear for Europeans and it is not People

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Speaker 2: don't understand why Europe should commit for troops, military hardware

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Speaker 2: to this conflict which has no clear stated objectives or goals.

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Speaker 1: And then what what could the impact be if the

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Speaker 1: if the US withdraws from from NATO. That's obviously something

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Speaker 1: that we're thinking in the Deep South here.

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Speaker 2: It's it's clear that the US Clarence is the muscle

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Speaker 2: of NATO. That match is clear. So if the US

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Speaker 2: were to withdraw from Neatal, that would be a very

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Speaker 2: big blow to the alliance. Europe is only now, you know, again,

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Speaker 2: based on Trumps pressure, Europe is now taking a bit

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Speaker 2: more responsibility when it comes to defending itself, committing more

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Speaker 2: resources towards towards its own defense. Germany, which is by far,

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Speaker 2: I mean Europe's are strongest economy, doesn't have a fully

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Speaker 2: functional military as of yet, and so Europe is building.

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Speaker 2: We did see only a few weeks ago the French

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Speaker 2: president commissioning a new warship, so there there's movement on

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Speaker 2: that front. Europe wants to be self sufficient when it

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Speaker 2: comes to defense, but at this point it is not

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Speaker 2: possible for Europe to fully take on that responsibility. However,

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Speaker 2: I think we are still a lot long way from

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Speaker 2: Trump being able to pull the US out of NATO. Thankfully,

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Speaker 2: based on a twenty twenty three low that was pasted

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Speaker 2: and by under President Joe Biden, the US president cannot

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Speaker 2: laterally withdraw the US out of the NATO alliance. It

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Speaker 2: will require it to thirst Congress approval for that to happen.

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Speaker 2: And there are many people in America who still think

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Speaker 2: that the alliance is important because it helps the US

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Speaker 2: project its power around the world. And so I do

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Speaker 2: not expect that that is something that's going to be able,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna happen anytime soon. However, putting Europe in a

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Speaker 2: very difficult position, you know, really clean European leaders, questioning

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Speaker 2: European Europe's commitment to the Alliance. All these are things

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Speaker 2: that the Trump administration has thrown out there and that

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Speaker 2: impact has been felt now immediately, right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's changing, indeed. And bring us up to speed

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Speaker 1: on matters NATO, the United States of America, the Iran War.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael Otti, Deutsche Veller editor. And on a Friday,

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Speaker 1: just after ten o'clock we touched base with the Deutsche

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Speaker 1: Veller