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Speaker 1: Good morning Cape Town.

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Speaker 2: This is Lester Kivett.

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Speaker 1: On message on the WhatsApp line on super Fans.

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Speaker 3: Kayton mackenzie must also just stay at home for the

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Speaker 3: World Cup. It's not a must that a minister mustn't

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Speaker 3: end every big tournament. But then me speak to super

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Speaker 3: fan herself, Mama Joy Chooki who went onto Twitter this

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Speaker 3: week and writing I'm asking for any help from anyone

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Speaker 3: to help me attend the World Cup twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Kayton mackenzie won't pay for fans, especially Mama Joy. Mama Joy,

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Speaker 3: have you booked a ticket?

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Speaker 1: You have a ticket to a game yet, opening game

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Speaker 1: against Bafana and Mexico on the eleventh of June.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna pay for your tickets.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just gonna pay for my tickets. I will

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Speaker 2: be watching the game at all.

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Speaker 1: It's not a divided country. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: South Africans saying that no single person should enjoy the

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Speaker 1: privilege of having publicly funded trips to to World Cups

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Speaker 1: and mega events. Why do you believe that that that

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Speaker 1: that Kayton McKenzie Department of Outsports and Culture should be

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Speaker 1: funding a trip to the World Cup or any major event.

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask any things to the minister. I didn't

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Speaker 2: ask the minista to take me to the World Cup.

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Speaker 2: When Minissa came the SA place, he said he's no

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Speaker 2: longer going to to support super Friends to go to

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Speaker 2: any any competition or tournament. Why should I ask him

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Speaker 2: to go to the World Cup? Meanwhile, he has already

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Speaker 2: said it before. I was asking because he was the

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Speaker 2: one who said he is going to take fifty cents.

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Speaker 2: I was asking that question now that World Cup is here,

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Speaker 2: where is the fift defense that you said you would think?

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Speaker 2: Not about me because I knew it won't take me.

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Speaker 2: Not about me, but the fans that is through me.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was asking, and I was asking not him,

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Speaker 2: other people outside there. Like I went to the Olympics

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Speaker 2: without him. I went to qualifying games without him. I

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Speaker 2: also went to Accord without him. Why should I ask him? Now?

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Speaker 2: I was asking the people of those who like to

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Speaker 2: to to fund me, not why I asked promise? Meanwhile

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Speaker 2: he said it before.

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Speaker 1: Who has funded you before to take to go to

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Speaker 1: the Olympics, to the qualifiers other tournaments.

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Speaker 2: I won't say it, but I was there without him, without.

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Speaker 1: Government why won't you say, Mama Joy.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say it. It's my opinion. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say. Why should I say it?

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Speaker 1: But the dc I S has paid for you before,

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Speaker 1: according to a promotion of Access of information request between

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Speaker 1: yourself and Brad. What I'm seeing also another super super

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Speaker 1: Fan more than one million rands spent on a trip

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Speaker 1: to the Rugby World Cup in twenty twenty three. You

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Speaker 1: have been bankrolled by by public money.

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Speaker 2: Before, which money.

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Speaker 1: According to the government records, in twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 1: Department's bought paid for childcare to follow super Fan bottom

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Speaker 1: Sealer to attend the Rugby World Cup, covering flights and accommodation.

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Speaker 2: It was only for that Rugby World Cup. And also

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Speaker 2: ty nineteen when we I go to to to to France,

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Speaker 2: it was only to three that Diectic paid by the Department,

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Speaker 2: not any other treats, only two. I've been to the

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Speaker 2: World Cup before. I was in Tacha, I was in Australia,

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Speaker 2: I was in a New Zealand without him, without the

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Speaker 2: Department of Sport aten Culture. And now he's saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But if you can see the segment

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Speaker 2: that he said yesterday, he said, I might think that

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Speaker 2: maybe a president is the one who paid for or

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Speaker 2: for my treat How can I know, because I as

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Speaker 2: the president before to take me to to to watch

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Speaker 2: the World Cup in France. So now how can I know?

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Speaker 2: The president asked the sect? How can I know that?

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Speaker 2: I want as a president where you get the money?

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Speaker 2: But I, as the president, I didn't ask the sect before.

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Speaker 2: I never asked departments of sport at the culture before

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Speaker 2: to take me to any treat I only as the

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Speaker 2: president of the country, and I was granted by it.

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Speaker 2: How can I know that it's the sect? How can

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Speaker 2: I ask him that? Okay, now that you're granted, its defects,

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Speaker 2: Like now, I only knew if it yesterday when you

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Speaker 2: say seven and kings. I didn't even know how much

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Speaker 2: difference to me because I don't even have that money

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Speaker 2: in my account. Okay, I know it's how much he should.

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Speaker 2: He came and asked me, do you understand when he

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Speaker 2: came to ask us as what is it that is

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Speaker 2: important about you guys that you can spend?

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you that what is it? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this concept of a super fan brings

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Speaker 1: back to South Africa. What do you think you bring

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Speaker 1: to representing South Africa in the stand at the World

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Speaker 1: Cup or big tournament.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we've lost, Mama George. Okay they I really wanted

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Speaker 4: to know it because I actually I'm I'm against a

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Speaker 4: majority opinion here. I mean the single digit opinion where

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Speaker 4: I think there is space for a super fan, where

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Speaker 4: it comes to marketing, destination marketing, where it comes to

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Speaker 4: the soft power that we can influence, and one TV

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Speaker 4: crew at the time, one international television director.

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Speaker 1: At the time. I think there's space for that. I

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Speaker 1: want to know what's Mama Joy's point of view? Oh

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Speaker 1: two one four four six h five six seven.

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Speaker 2: But