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Speaker 1: The deployment of the National Defense Force took effect today

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Speaker 1: in various parts of the Cape Flats and primarily supporting

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Speaker 1: the South African Police Services with execution of search warrants.

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Speaker 1: AB ISAACS is with the Cape Flat Safety Forum transmit

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Speaker 1: on the line. Now, AB, what did you make of

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Speaker 1: the deployment of the Defense Force today?

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Speaker 2: Good oftener Good often in to you and your listeners

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Speaker 2: as a cap plit Sarty Forum. We find the scene

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Speaker 2: that the presidential degree have come into a communities on

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Speaker 2: the ground, specifically in the discipline area where I had

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Speaker 2: the reports from extremely happy for the deployment of the

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Speaker 2: South African Defense Force. I think over and above that

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Speaker 2: this has been requested we've made since twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: or adios at Safety Forum or the stand up to

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Speaker 2: be deployed as a post marketplader.

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Speaker 1: It appears AB the primary objective of today's deployment was

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Speaker 1: to enable the SAPs to carry out search warrants and

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Speaker 1: I imagine apprehend people who have an arrest warrant out

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Speaker 1: for them. It doesn't appear that they'll be stationed permanently

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Speaker 1: at those communities where they were deployed to today.

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Speaker 2: That's really yeah from what we understand is that, yes,

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Speaker 2: they will be deployed from area to area, so they're

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Speaker 2: any charm. What we've been saying is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they need to act as a stabilizing force to the

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Speaker 2: start African Police Service assystem and stabilizing the areas.

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Speaker 1: The concern though from members of those communities is that

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Speaker 1: crime is an everyday lived experience for them. So the

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Speaker 1: idea that the deployment will last a couple of hours

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Speaker 1: if that, and then they go to another area, it

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Speaker 1: might not be enough to stop the expression of crime

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Speaker 1: in our communities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what we also acknowledge is that unlike

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Speaker 2: the last deployment, the first time, they would be here

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Speaker 2: for exactly a year. So obviously it gives the vote

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Speaker 2: agency opportunity to see information across the two spears of government,

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Speaker 2: you know, so in terms of intelligence that need to

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Speaker 2: see intelligence. Also, our equess is to the community towards

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Speaker 2: a system with the necessary information that they need from

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Speaker 2: time to time.

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Speaker 1: And is the community willing to work with SAPs then

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Speaker 1: in supporting them in their work in fighting crime in burgerstyle.

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Speaker 1: For example, we've seen five suspects apprehended following the deployment

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Speaker 1: of the SA and DF there, but there were certain

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Speaker 1: members of the community who were not happy to see

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Speaker 1: the National Defense force them.

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Speaker 2: I think we need to acknowledge that with in society,

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Speaker 2: you get two types of community. Community that wants to

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Speaker 2: see a change within the environment, and then also get

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Speaker 2: the community that perpetuate these activities, legal activities to open.

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Speaker 1: How do we work with the latter parts of your statement,

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Speaker 1: those community members who are perpetuating the existence of crime,

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Speaker 1: how do we how do we turn them around and

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Speaker 1: help in the fight against crime.

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Speaker 2: I think important that we need to have continuous educational programs.

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Speaker 2: We need to go out and sensitize the community because

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it affects a broader community,

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Speaker 2: does not affect just individuals specifically when it comes to

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Speaker 2: gun and gang related crimes. Does not affect and an

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Speaker 2: individual person. It affect the broader community easy to the

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Speaker 2: extent that you from the media also know that a

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Speaker 2: certain area schools needed to be closed because of connectivities,

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Speaker 2: you know, So it affects the broader community in itself.

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Speaker 2: So it becomes important that we need to continuously, through government,

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Speaker 2: through whatever agencies, whatever platforms, to educate our our communities

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Speaker 2: around becoming part of the solution.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the deployment of the army will not immediately stop crime.

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Speaker 1: About five hours ago reports of two people being shot

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Speaker 1: dead in Hanover Park, just hours after the Defense Force

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Speaker 1: and the SAPs convoy hit the streets in what was

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Speaker 1: a show of force in Mitchell's Plain. So crime will persist, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: and I imagine community members should not expect this deployment

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Speaker 1: of the army as the Pennessee for example, to the

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Speaker 1: incredible challenge we have with crime.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, and Henri are saying, while we have the

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Speaker 2: South African Defense was deployed. Government, the SERVI serious need

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Speaker 2: to go back to the drawing boat and start tightening

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Speaker 2: some nuts because remember there was an agreement signed between

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Speaker 2: the SERES serious of Government in twenty twenty four we

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Speaker 2: specifically to look at how jointly they can approach the issue.

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Speaker 2: So now I've give them time to go back to

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Speaker 2: the drawing boat.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, ab thank you very much for joining us this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Ab isaax with the Cape Flat Safety Forum, reflecting on

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Speaker 1: the deployment of the South African National Defense for also

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Speaker 1: that saw many communities along the Cape Flats now under

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Speaker 1: the Operation Prosper. Having the SAPs supported by the National

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Speaker 1: Defense Force, some arrests were undertaken, and of course search

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Speaker 1: warrants were executed. The Democratic Alliance saying Operation Prosper must

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Speaker 1: be focused, time bound interventions with clear operational goals, proper

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Speaker 1: logistical support, and a concrete plan for how the SAPs

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Speaker 1: will sustain policing capacity once the Defense force support comes

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Speaker 1: to an end, saying at present, one of the most

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Speaker 1: serious concerns is that neither the SAPs nor the SAMDF

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Speaker 1: has clearly explained how the success of this deployment will

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Speaker 1: be measured. Without this, communities are being asked to trust

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Speaker 1: an operation without knowing what outcomes are being pursued, what

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Speaker 1: benchmarks will be used, or how the public will know

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Speaker 1: whether it has worked or not. That is a statement

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Speaker 1: part of a statement issued by the spokesperson and Police

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Speaker 1: for the Democratic Alliance Member of Parliament, Lisa Schickeling,