1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: To join us. Let's talk the talk. This is seven 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: o two now, the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport, Arts 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: and Culture has recommended that the Board of Athletics South 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Africa be dissolved. They're having reports of infighting among board 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: members and a general inability to govern, while the Athletics 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: has placed ASA under its direct supervision which is very troubling. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Joining us to discuss the s IS Committee Chairperson Joe mcgluare, Joe, Hi, 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: good morning, Good to have you with us on seven 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: oh two. I mean, this seems to have been an 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: ongoing problem for some time, a directionless board. Why is 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: it taken so long to get to where we are now? 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: Good morning. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: I think it's the appetite, it's the lack of political 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: will to address all of these issues. And also it 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: is the first time, I think in the history of Parliament, 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: what particular reference to the Portfolio Committee of Sports, Arts 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: and Council that a federation and in this particular case, 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 3: Athletics South Africa appears before Parliament for the fourth time 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: in twelve months over the same issue. 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Gosh, gosh, the Minister Gayton mackenzie, what is he saying 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: because obviously the falls under his purview. 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: Well, safe to say that the Minister was also absent 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: in that particular meeting, which is which is of great 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: concern to us. And on various occasions, you know, the 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: Minister has undertook to address the issues and to ensure 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: that the athletes are being paid. I mean, you know, 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: you go to various provinces in Pumlanga for instance, and 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: also the Suetan Marathon has not been paid and the 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: Minister undertook that. Yeares they are going to have a 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: look at it and see through it that these moneys 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: are being paid. Also a year later, and what we 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: are doing in terms of our work, we say under scrutiny. 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: Scrutiny here is simply governance is the integrity, integrity of 34 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: Athletics South Africa as well as the leadership. But also 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: the Minister did not appoint the board, so he cannot directly, 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: you know, dissolve the board. Also, on the other hand, 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: we as parliamentarians can only just intervene and or make recommendations. 38 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: The one that must actually come to the party here 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: is Sescock. And you know, some of the members argue 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: that Sescov is sleeping on the job and they also 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: have a donkey participating in the Durban July. You cannot 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: turn a donkey into a racing horse in this particular case. 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: And it is time for Sescock. They've done it before. 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: They have done it with uh Chess South Africa and 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: we cannot see how they can't do it now. And 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: there's so much potential in South Africa when it comes 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: to the sport at end culture site and the fact 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: that you know, we have individuals board members that has 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: now taken over these federations and allow it to become 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: their own sybdom. And that is the biggest problem that 51 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: we have parliamentarios have. 52 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is embarrassing. This is downright it's embarrassing. 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: You also have a look at what happens when we 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: go to the Olympics and we sort of endser competitions 55 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, we we are nowhere. Sometimes we 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: are our results are dismal and we can't blame the 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: athletes for this. I mean this goes straight to governance. Joe, 58 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: what happens next? Yet, because you say it's in the 59 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the ball is in the court of Sascock, I mean, 60 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: what happens next? You've made your recommendations. Now what. 61 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about the Olympics. We have Botswana participating 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: and actually win in the Olympics, the the relay, and 63 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: I must stress that those individuals the once is performing 64 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: in Patwana is using our high performance centers in South Africa. 65 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: But what we have said to the members, all members 66 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: have now had their input. We will then also you know, 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: get all of these together and the committee will adopt 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: a formal resolutions and recommendations that will hopefully be concerned 69 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: as to whom they will be directed to. And you know, 70 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: following out the deliberations in the room, you could sense 71 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: the distrust. You could sense that dishonestly. But we are 72 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: happy that Saskok also the respond to most of our 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: concerns positively, you know, and also will hopefully consider our recommendations. 74 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: And we all wish to work with the federations. We 75 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: all wish to work, you know, with the World Athletics. 76 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: We even have now asked for official letter from work 77 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: or Athletics so that we can see what is. 78 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: This monitoring all about, you know, and and and that they. 79 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: Must explain, uh, the boat is actually it's it's it's 80 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: it's it must be dissolved. If they must get new leadership, 81 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: everyone is implicated. Ski individuals are being implicated of mismanagement 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: of funds. We cannot have individuals serving an entity of 83 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: this federation of this nature. But when their hands are 84 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: in the public terms, they are just being completely come 85 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: back to those positions. Pay that man is back and 86 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: we say they must be action when it comes to 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: athletics South Africa. And it's not. 88 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: Athletics South Africa. 89 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: The only one is not uh, the only federation. We said, 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: what Karate South Africa. Where the father, the son, the wife, 91 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: the husband, contracts been allocated. It's a complete mess. And 92 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: we say as parliamentarians, as long as any federation receives 93 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: money from Parliament, we will scrutinize it to the key, 94 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: make these recommendations, take it to Parliament and the Parliament 95 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: formerly adopted a resolution to see through that. We have 96 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: South Africa fiction when it comes to our sports. 97 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: But sure there's got to be better oversized. If you're 98 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: talking about Karate South Africa with her like you said, 99 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: a mama, pop a son and all the rest of 100 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: it being in charge. Surely, Shirley, Shirley, there's got to 101 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: be better mechanism sport in place so that you have 102 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: a better governance body. 103 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: There are like I said, it is the political world. 104 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: We have Parliament, the Portfolio Committee itself. We have the 105 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: Department Sports, Ars and Culture itself which falls under the Minister. 106 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: We have SASKO. 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: We have so many units that you know. 108 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: It's obliged to do this over side. But like I said, 109 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: we cannot treat you know, individuals who has them hands 110 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 3: in the toes of the public, we cannot treat them easy. 111 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: We say, we have to act because. 112 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: Clearly yere you find numerous failures and serious, serious financial 113 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: mismanagement and you still have these individuals in that positions. 114 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: In the case of Athletics South Africa, they came to 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: us a year ago they said we will appoint the CEO. 116 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: It's a year later they came and they represent to 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: us a time frame up until the end of this 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: year how they're going to fold this position. And the 119 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: individual in that position is currently also under scrutiny when 120 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: it comes to disappointment. When it comes to the mismanagement 121 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: of funds, a lot who is giving funds. People are 122 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: taking it left, right and center and they are just 123 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: being you know, wrapped over the knuckles and they must 124 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: just give that money back. 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right, Joe, we'll have to leave with them, 126 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm afraid. But what a discussion Committee Chairperson, Joe mcgluare. 127 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: And of course, if fans are in the toll then 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: there's a misappropriation of funds. I mean, surely, surely then 129 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: we need to see criminal prosecutions.