1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Seven two weekend Breakfast happening in the. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Arts at seventeen minutes before nine o'clock ten first seven 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: look at what's happening in seven oh two Land. And 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: this past Thursday I had the great honor of attending 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: an event. It was the VP opening of Fashion the Image. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: It is an incredible one hundred days of fashion and 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: art that's taking place at the Roger Ballin Center for Photography. 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: It's also done and the Inside Out Center for the 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Art in Choeburg. What a beautiful We got a first 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: taste of the program. There are a lot of other 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: pieces that are going to be done in the exhibition. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: And so joining us this morning to tell us about 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: Fashion the Image. We're joined in the studio by the 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: founder of the Roger Ballin Center for Photography, Roger Ballin 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: joins us. Also joined by globally acclaimed fashion, advertising and 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: art photographer who has an exhibition on at the moment 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: at the Roger Ballin Center, Koto volofor joins us. This 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: small Roger and Kotto, a very good morning to you. 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Good morning. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: I hope you're well very well. 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Roger. I want to start with you and your speech 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: on Thursday night, you said, you know when you started 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: the center, at the time, it was just a building, 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: and now it's this kind of beautiful space that hosts, 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: you know, incredible work and art. What does fashion the 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: image mean for I guess what that space has become. 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: What the center has become. 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's a place where people can view photography and 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: view art. So I think people can be inspired by 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: what they see, they can think about what they see. 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: They can come back and ponder how fashion relates to 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: their own lives into other people's lives. So it's a 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: should be a multi dimensional experience. I think when you 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: see art and art can be many many things. It 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: can be fashion, it can be paintings, it can be filmed. 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: It hopefully it allows you to reflect. It hopefully give 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: you some inspiration, and it helpfully puts you on a 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: path towards some sort of self discovery. 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, in terms of what the 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: next one hundred days are going to me, I mean, 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: having looked at the program, what would you say, is 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: you know one of the best parts of this program. 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: Well, kouto. Over the next week, we'll give it be 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: give me a number of talks. I think this will 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: be really interesting and informative, and he's a great fashion photographer, 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: so people interested in the field of fashion photography should 49 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: definitely think about attending. And then we have a number 50 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: of workshops, master classes on photography, design workshops, we have 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: a number of fashion shows, courses related to fashion. As 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: well as the other building, which is the Inside Out 53 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: Center for the Art, which is attached to the Roger 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: Bellan Center for Photography, we have some fashion, but we 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: also have a very interesting exhibition that's been there for 56 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: a few years which people will never forget, is called 57 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: the End of the Game. 58 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, Cotta, I want to come to you, and it's 59 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: great that you are in the country. You're often so 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: busy in different parts of the world. You're based in Paris, 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: I see, and so it's great to have you here. 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: Tell us why it was so important for you to 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: be part of fashion the image, this current exhibition. 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: I honestly think it's really big, really being it's very 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: very important to be part of this because I really 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: want to sort of like enrich and inform the young 67 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: generation of the young in fact talented generation in Southern Africa, 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: especially in photography and fashion. And just to give them 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: the insight, you know, the insight of the real world 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of how one can extend and go further with it. 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: You know. So I'm really so like, you know, my 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: talks are really going to be focused on you know, 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: you have the starting point. Now one needs to expand, 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, one needs to show globally, globally that you know, 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: you're an asset. You know, you know you are something 76 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: and not just be contained in a space. So that's 77 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of what I feel is important. That's the message 78 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I really want to give. I think that message from 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: me is really important because you see these wonderful people 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: that are talented, the way they dress, and you know 81 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: they you know, they're on the same level as in Paris. 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: They're actually on the same level in Paris in New York. 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: And so it's just kind of that extension. And I 84 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: think what it's the center, Roger's Center of Photography. It's 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: really a heartbeat. You know, you need a place like that. 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: You just need a place like that to make something 87 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: like expand. So that's really the heartbeat. It's the route. 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, you need a root, you know, a grassroots. 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Say this is where it starts, you know, and I 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: think that's really important and I applaud him for that 91 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: because there's never been anything like that. You know, it's 92 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: it's sort of like come and goes. You know, it's 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: neither here nor there, but there is you know, this talent. 94 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: But I think this that's why I was really honored 95 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: to what is it be invited to see this? And 96 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: I just see a foundation, you know the word foundation 97 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: and a working foundation. So that's why I'm really so 98 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: like pleased to be here. 99 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you said it's something very I think interesting in 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: your speech on Thursday night where you said you what's 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: been very important for you was to well you were 102 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: told yourself as a young photographer forty years ago to 103 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: stick to your guns. Yeah, and you said that's been 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: quite important for you, so much so that you know, 105 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: you've walked off sits because it was so crucial that 106 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: you stick to your guns. Would you say that's part 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: of you know, as you go through your talks as 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: young people I imagine come up to you to ask 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: for your advice, would you say that's still good advice 110 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: for them to find their style, hone it and then 111 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: stick to it. 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: Okay, back in the day, I was a ill rebel 113 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: rouser and you know, everybody still says, oh my god, 114 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: it's so difficult to work with. It's all like it 115 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: stays there. I you know, for young people, I really 116 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: honestly advise them. You know, this this thing that came 117 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: to saying stick to your guns came from Richard Avadon 118 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: when he came to see me, and he said, they 119 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: will change you. You know, the industry can change you. 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: You know, you have this wonderful talent and then they 121 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: swear you with you know, a bit of money here 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: and there, and then your work is diluted. And I 123 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, I will honestly give people that advice stick 124 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: to your guns right, and be firm and strong about it. 125 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, there's no when you start, there should be 126 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: no room to compromise. You know, you're not there to 127 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: compromise because you're building your signature. And each person I 128 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: believe has got their own writing. You know, they've got 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: their own writing, their own signature. And I would definitely, 130 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, say one should stick to their guns. But right, 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: but don't do what I did, you know back in 132 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: the day where you walk off the set, you know, 133 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: and it was justified when I walked off the set. 134 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: Because what happens, you know, a person says, oh, we're 135 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: going to do this, We're going to do this, and 136 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: you you're you're in agreement. You're in an agreement that 137 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: you're going to do this. And back in the days 138 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: it was faxes. So you write these things down and 139 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: you exchange by faxes, and then when you go, what 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: is it. When you go, let's say, fly to Miami, 141 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: they've changed the whole game, completely changed the whole game, 142 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: and you and your mind has been so fixed and 143 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: so like, you know, you've done your research and this 144 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: is how you want to do it, and you'll get 145 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the best, you know, out of what you now have. 146 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's inside you really strongly. And then when 147 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: they've just suddenly said, right, we changed the game, goal 148 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: posts has changed, this is what we're going to do. 149 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: Then you talk and say, hey, this is what we 150 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: were talking about, and they're not going to change the 151 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: they're going to change their goal posts. And then I 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: just say, well, you know what, I am going to 153 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: fly out that evening New York Times. So I just 154 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: I used to do that. I honestly I used to 155 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: do that because it was absolutely frustrating, you know where 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, you work so hard in your mind trying 157 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: to register the images that you're going to do, and 158 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of effort to do that. It's 159 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: not just click of a button. So it's just like 160 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say meditation, but it's something that 161 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: you're intensely focused on and then somebody flippantly just wipes 162 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: the table flippantly, you know, just flippantly, and you just 163 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: say that's no fair dues, and then you try and 164 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: fight on the spot to say, look, this is what 165 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: we're going to do, and I say, yes, go. You know, 166 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: it's like you don't read my services. You're just to 167 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: toy around with me. So, you know, so I don't 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: tolerate that. I've never tolerated that. 169 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Roger, just before we wrap, how long is 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: the exhibition running for? Where do we find information about 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: the exhibition? Is it ticketed? Does the public need to 172 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: pay its exhibition? What do we need to know? 173 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, firstly, the exhibition is on to the end 174 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: of May. There are a number of events which you 175 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: can look up on the website inside Out Center for 176 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: the Arts or Roger Bellen Photography that will tell you 177 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: the full range of events. Some have a minor fee 178 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: and most don't, and you can book again online through 179 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 3: the website. If there's a telephone number, if somebody has 180 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: any questions, they're more than welcome to call and we 181 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: can answer any of the questions. 182 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: Roger quote almas, thank you very much for me can 183 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: send for us to morning. All the best with the 184 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: opening of the exhibition later on today. 185 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you, thanks so much. 186 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: That is Roger Balin, the founder of the Roger Balin 187 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: Center for Photography. That's also Kotovolofo, globally acclaimed fashion advertising 188 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: and now photographer, joining us this morning.