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Speaker 1: This is Breakfast with Bongani on seven oh two.

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Speaker 2: Let's walk this talk.

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Speaker 3: It is a Wednesday, and that means it's time for

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Speaker 3: a corporate that cares. Corporates that Care of Cause is

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Speaker 3: an initiative in which we recognize the efforts of companies

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Speaker 3: and brands that are walking the talk to make a

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Speaker 3: better South Africa and we highlight the work that they do.

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Speaker 3: As you might imagine, getting to school or work can

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Speaker 3: feel like a real struggle. It's certainly going to feel

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Speaker 3: a lot more like that in the coming days. We've

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Speaker 3: been talking all morning, all week really about the increase

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Speaker 3: in the price of fuel costs. Taxi fairs are going

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Speaker 3: to go up, Buses are going to go up. Quite

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Speaker 3: a part, of course, from how packed those modes of

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Speaker 3: transport off and are. Scholar transport has been a big

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Speaker 3: issue in South Africa in the last little while. So

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Speaker 3: the Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa are stepping up.

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Speaker 3: They are not just restoring the trains, they say, they're

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Speaker 3: creating reliable, safe and affordable ways of millions of South

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Speaker 3: Africans to get around. For example, they've got a scheme

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Speaker 3: where school children traveling in full uniform get fifty percent

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Speaker 3: off the fair dedicated scholar coaches to keep them safe

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Speaker 3: while building a sense of community on the rails.

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Speaker 2: To talk about the work that they're doing.

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Speaker 3: We've got Proce's Group CEO, mister hissha'm emerand to talk

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Speaker 3: to us about all of that. He's here with us

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Speaker 3: in studio. Very good morning to you and welcome to

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Speaker 3: seven or two breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, bong Ghani, and good morning to your listeners

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: So finally we do this sitting across from you. I

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Speaker 3: always start this conversation with a very simple question, why

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Speaker 3: are you a corporate that cares well?

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Speaker 1: Firstly, bong Ghani, if I may just say up, PRASA

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Speaker 1: is a state owned entity and we are happy to

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Speaker 1: share our remarkable journey in terms of the turnaround that

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Speaker 1: you've seen at PRASA, particularly in the last three to

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Speaker 1: four years. So in your opening remarks when you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the service that we can offer, it's on the back

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Speaker 1: of an improved service, on the back of turning around

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Speaker 1: this company. You have seen over the last three to

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Speaker 1: four years. We've recovered thirty five out of the forty

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Speaker 1: corridors nationally. We are now running and restored services and

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Speaker 1: over eighty five percent of our corridors around the country.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, as part of this rollout, we are

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Speaker 1: modernizing the rail network. You would have seen the blue trains,

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Speaker 1: the new blue trains that are running on our network.

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Speaker 1: We are proud of these new modern trains. It's one

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Speaker 1: of process flagship projects. These trains are being manufactured. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in South Africa. It's really a successful story of a

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Speaker 1: manufacturing capability that we have established in this region. The

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Speaker 1: factories ye're in houting as we speak, and these trains

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Speaker 1: have brought around greater customer satisfaction. You've mentioned the scholars

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Speaker 1: that we have where they get the half price throughout

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Speaker 1: the day, any time of the day, provided their uniform.

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Speaker 1: But it's not only there. Pensioners also receive our price

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Speaker 1: as well as our military veterans. And then IL already

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Speaker 1: being the most affordable mode of transport. Bongani, You're quite correct.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's opportune that I'm sitting here on the

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Speaker 1: and if you look at what the price of train

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Speaker 1: travel is, it's very affordable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think every South African would rally behind

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Speaker 3: Prosser because of the obvious fact that you've just mentioned

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Speaker 3: now in terms of affordability, in terms of things like

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Speaker 3: reliability and not used to be the story of PRASA,

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Speaker 3: But we have to deal with the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 3: When we think of PRASER, many of us think of

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Speaker 3: the legacy issues around the looting. We think of the

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Speaker 3: legacy issues around the network and the destruction of the network.

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Speaker 3: And so even as you talk of a turnaround strategy,

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Speaker 3: how are you ensuring that PASA will not be back

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Speaker 3: in the headline for all the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: So, firstly, in terms of the theft and the vandalism

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Speaker 1: seen has been underpinned by a security strategy. Phase one

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Speaker 1: phase two, which you are busy rolling out is technology.

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Speaker 1: And you will see from the corridors that we have

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Speaker 3: Can you specifically speak about where things have come back

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Speaker 1: So yes, that's one of the key things that I

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Speaker 1: When we talk about full recovery, one of the key

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Speaker 1: where we see improve movements in that nature you're in

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Speaker 1: houting the marble Pany corridor. We see that we've got

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Speaker 1: signaling up and running, so there's a train every fifteen

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Speaker 2: That's marble Paneer to Pretoria.

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Speaker 1: Victoria correct in Cape Town, the Southern Suburbs line from

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Speaker 3: We've seen so much damage to the network, particularly on

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Speaker 3: the East Rand and the West Rand. I remember once

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Speaker 3: being able to take a train from Park Station all

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Speaker 2: That's something I can't do today, is it?

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Speaker 1: From excuse me?

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Speaker 2: From that?

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Speaker 3: From Park Station joe Burg all the way to marble

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Speaker 3: Pane Station. That's something I can't do.

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Speaker 1: Now physically you can do that today that corridor is open.

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Speaker 1: Where we need to improve is on the travel time.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that would be one of the

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Speaker 1: attractive measures that we would want to get to increase

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Speaker 1: physically you can get a train all the way, not

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Speaker 3: So you could try in theory you're saying you could

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Speaker 3: How long would that journey take you?

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Speaker 1: So at the moment the journey will take you over

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Speaker 1: we need to get the signaling recovered on the full corridor.

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Speaker 1: We need to improve the speeds. The important thing for now,

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Speaker 1: Bongani is to ensure we move our customers safely and

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Speaker 1: therefore we've got the manual authorization which which assists with

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Speaker 2: Is there resistance?

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you finding that the people who of

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Speaker 3: do try and sabotage the work that you're doing.

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Speaker 1: We've got a very robustake called the engagement process, and

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Speaker 1: as we are recovering, we're engaging with various stakeholders across

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Speaker 1: I assume you're also alluding to. Very important that each

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Speaker 1: but you do require the feeder, distribution, complementary services that

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Speaker 3: Because it'd be one thing to talk about discounts for scholars,

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Speaker 3: of course, particularly if the network was back to its

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Speaker 2: What is the goal?

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Speaker 3: When do you envisage, because obviously it is going to

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Speaker 3: be a slow journey to get back to where PRASA

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Speaker 3: once was able to transport South Africans, When do you envisage,

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Speaker 3: assuming all goes well, we get back to full strength.

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Speaker 1: At some point. I'd like to share a Bongani just

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Speaker 1: this progress that we've already seen. Just over the last year,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a doubling in terms of passenger trips on

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Speaker 1: a rail from thirty nine million to seventy seven million

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Speaker 1: passenger trips for the year. By the end of this

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Speaker 1: we're breaking the one hundred million passenger trips barrier. So

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Speaker 1: it's still a far cry from where we want to be.

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Speaker 1: The target is to grow to six hundred million passenger

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Speaker 1: then coming to just back, I think I want you to

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Speaker 1: make the point when you talk about the scholars, pensioners, youth,

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Speaker 1: any customer. One of the key things we focus on

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Speaker 1: is customers must feel safe in the environment. So you

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Speaker 1: find not only securitization of our assets, but also our

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Speaker 1: customers securing them making them feel safe. We've got security

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Speaker 1: and that is critical. Part of our secondary mandate Monguan

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Speaker 1: is also to generate revenue of our assets. We own

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Speaker 1: significant property land, but also other assets like fiber and

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Speaker 1: we've had very exciting developments b its through student accommodation,

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Speaker 1: retail developments at our stations. I don't know when last

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Speaker 3: You mentioned a little earlier on the new trains that

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Speaker 3: are being built here in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: Is this there is a time, Lasabandu.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the people's strength.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what makes them special? These coaches.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so these new trains, electrical trains, I might just add,

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Speaker 1: are manufactured here in South Africa. We've currently got three

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Speaker 1: You've got it's air conditioned. It has got a full

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Speaker 1: We've got the on board announcements both audio and visual

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Speaker 1: that that takes place. As I've mentioned, we've got the CCTV,

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Speaker 1: the cameras very importantly. Also, it offers us additional capacity.

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Speaker 1: You will recall Bongani. As you said, you've used the

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Speaker 1: train before. Myself, I've also been a regular train user

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Speaker 1: and that helps with visibility, security, anything happening on the

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Speaker 1: So it's got all the modern features. Compares with modern

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Speaker 2: Lessons learned from the past mistakes.

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Speaker 1: So there's a number of lessons learned. One, as I've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: even from the governance point of view, you had seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of improvement at PRASA. Just this past year,

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Speaker 1: for the first time in nine years, Bongani Pros has

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Speaker 1: received an unqualified order and that is because of improved

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Speaker 1: governance controls being put in place, beefing up on your

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Speaker 1: risk and internal ordered capabilities. So that's quite a key area.

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Speaker 1: But very important is now as a capacitating PROSA to

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Speaker 1: ensure we can fully implement on the mandate that we've given.

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Speaker 1: We now are able to implement on our capital programs.

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Speaker 1: That has been the cornerstone of the turnaround. In the

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Speaker 1: last three years, we've executed in excess of fifty billion

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Speaker 1: that in turn stimulates the economy. That has contributed to

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Speaker 1: over eighty thousand jobs within the sector.

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Speaker 3: You talk about repairing what has gone wrong? What are

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Speaker 3: your plans for expanding the network, expanding different corridors to

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Speaker 3: new areas, perhaps that you never operated before.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you've asked me that question because while

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Speaker 1: there's been a focus on the rebuild and recovery, rail

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Speaker 1: needs to expand. We've seen our cities through urbanization grow

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Speaker 1: significantly over the last four decades and rail has not

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Speaker 1: really expanded. So together with our cities, the planning authorities,

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Speaker 1: we have looked at plans to expand. If you're speaking

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Speaker 1: here in houting the expansion beyond Daviton which has grown significantly,

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Speaker 1: in Cape Town, the Blue Doown's rail corridor. In Aberja,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Motherwell rail link. So we've got

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Speaker 1: various expansion plans that we do have. It sits in

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Speaker 1: the transport plans of the cities, and that's the next

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Speaker 1: focus inn once we've recovered, rebuild and modernized work to

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Speaker 1: a large extent, is expanding the network as well.

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Speaker 3: Listen, there's never been a time for better time for

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Speaker 3: rail to thrive than these uncertain times. I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: I think consumers are being battered from all sides, fuel, food, electricity,

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Speaker 3: all these costs rising rail. If Rail gets its act together,

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Speaker 3: particularly when it comes to the movement of passengers, then

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Speaker 3: that will be a good news story for all South Africans.

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Speaker 2: Corporates that care.

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Speaker 3: That is, of course, Process Group CEO mister hham Emern

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