1
00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,519
Speaker 1: Seven o two weekend breakfast Healthy Living Living.

2
00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,520
Speaker 2: At twelve minutes after six o'clock. Time for us to

3
00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,360
Speaker 2: get into our healthy living conversation. Over the last couple

4
00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,800
Speaker 2: of days, there's been quite a lot of discussion about

5
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,360
Speaker 2: that study coming out of the University of Free State

6
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,520
Speaker 2: looking at menstrual products in South Africa. There's been a

7
00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,320
Speaker 2: lot of discussion about what that research found with regards

8
00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,560
Speaker 2: to the impact on our indocrine system. So I thought,

9
00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,199
Speaker 2: maybe let's get a bit of a refresher on what

10
00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 2: is our indocrine system, What are some of our home oonnes,

11
00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,400
Speaker 2: how do they work? And how are some of those

12
00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,520
Speaker 2: parts of our bodies? How are they impacted by things

13
00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,279
Speaker 2: like diet or exposure to certain materials. I actually think

14
00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 2: the most the general average person doesn't quite know what

15
00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,559
Speaker 2: the indocrine system does. We know a few things, but

16
00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,000
Speaker 2: not quite how it all works together. So this morning

17
00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,080
Speaker 2: we're joined by reproductive endocrinologist doctor Lannia Buck McMahon, and

18
00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,560
Speaker 2: of course we take your questions on one one eight

19
00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,800
Speaker 2: eight three or seven no two. Send us an SMS

20
00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,080
Speaker 2: on three one seven O two. You can also send

21
00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,920
Speaker 2: us your WhatsApp messages and seven two seven O two

22
00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,600
Speaker 2: one seven, No two, doctor, it is a great pleasure

23
00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,200
Speaker 2: to have you on the show. A very good morning

24
00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:16,399
Speaker 2: to you.

25
00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,360
Speaker 3: Good morning, it's lovely to join you. It's bright and early.

26
00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,280
Speaker 2: It is bright and early, and it's not getting lighter

27
00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,840
Speaker 2: as early as it used to be, so someone is

28
00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,080
Speaker 2: on its way out.

29
00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,440
Speaker 3: Very true, Very true.

30
00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh doctor, There's been a lot of discussion over the

31
00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,959
Speaker 2: last two weeks about parts of our indocrime system, and

32
00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,680
Speaker 2: I thought it might be useful to get a bit

33
00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,959
Speaker 2: of a I guess, a refresher. I don't imagine by

34
00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,600
Speaker 2: the end of this conversation will have the same depth

35
00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,959
Speaker 2: of knowledge as you have. But I wanted just to

36
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,520
Speaker 2: figure out what is this indocrime system and also why

37
00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 2: there is a not an obsession, but we are concerned

38
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 2: with what happens to it, what affects it, and trying

39
00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,600
Speaker 2: to figure out what is fat and from what we

40
00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,120
Speaker 2: know about our endocrine system. So maybe we start here.

41
00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,040
Speaker 2: When you speak about the system, what do we mean?

42
00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,040
Speaker 2: What is the endoprine system? What does it meant to do?

43
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,280
Speaker 2: What does it do?

44
00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,160
Speaker 3: First of all, I'm quite excited that it's getting, you know, attention,

45
00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,679
Speaker 3: because it's been ignored for the longest time and misunderstood.

46
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,840
Speaker 3: It's a complex system of organs and glands. And starting

47
00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,959
Speaker 3: from your brain there's the hypotheramus which some of the pro.

48
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,800
Speaker 4: Homonests, which are the others are formed.

49
00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,840
Speaker 3: Going to your petuitary gland, which is just under your brain,

50
00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,919
Speaker 3: there's a gland, and your nick the thyroid one close

51
00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,600
Speaker 3: to the tummy, the pancless. There's your atuino gland that

52
00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,600
Speaker 3: systems off of your kidney, and then the over for

53
00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,240
Speaker 3: the female, the tasties for a male, and academically the

54
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,440
Speaker 3: fat cells and even the skin. So basically they produce

55
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,639
Speaker 3: chemical messengers which are released and travel in the blood

56
00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,399
Speaker 3: and they have basically like a key in the lock.

57
00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,320
Speaker 3: The hormone will be like a key. It's got a

58
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,120
Speaker 3: receptor specific lock, and they switch on and switch off

59
00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:24,560
Speaker 3: certain actions in the distant shoes in the body. And

60
00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,840
Speaker 3: there's obviously various things that can affect those messages, can

61
00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,600
Speaker 3: affect how those locks fit into the receptors.

62
00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 2: Right, And so when you speak, you mentioned some of

63
00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,120
Speaker 2: the sort of the glands and the parts of the

64
00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,400
Speaker 2: body that are part of the system and some of

65
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,560
Speaker 2: the hormones. When we talk about the system, how many

66
00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,040
Speaker 2: hormones are we talking about exactly? I think many of

67
00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,920
Speaker 2: us kind of know estrogen, testosterone, will know about insulin

68
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,480
Speaker 2: called solidrenaline, melatonin.

69
00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 1: Because of course that helps us sleep.

70
00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,200
Speaker 2: But it seems as though that they are a great

71
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,600
Speaker 2: number of hormones, many of which we don't really talk about.

72
00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 2: They're not sort of the popular ones, m h.

73
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,840
Speaker 3: I think the ones that are coming to light now

74
00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,800
Speaker 3: are those that are from the ovary and from the

75
00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,719
Speaker 3: fat cells and the genogrand. Looking at men and women,

76
00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean estrogen has four types of which form of

77
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,720
Speaker 3: women's pointive view, istradal is the important one for male

78
00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,400
Speaker 3: obviously it's the testest, but there's a whole partways in fact,

79
00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,440
Speaker 3: the hormones or come frontis from cholesterol, because they're not

80
00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,839
Speaker 3: and the pathway has hundreds of hormones that are in

81
00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:48,680
Speaker 3: stages until the acts of romans. So it's Mimi's.

82
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,440
Speaker 1: What do you say the hormones come from cholesterol? What

83
00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,400
Speaker 1: does that mean?

84
00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,400
Speaker 2: As in cholesterol is quite a foundational part of our

85
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,000
Speaker 2: endocrine system, so how these flats are quite important.

86
00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely the HTL so yes, all the hormones are broken

87
00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,039
Speaker 3: down and converted from the cholesterol. So health if that's

88
00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,640
Speaker 3: absolutely important. And this is why I think people should

89
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,760
Speaker 3: take caution when it comes to cholesterol, because taking the

90
00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,800
Speaker 3: supplements sometimes that we have not tested, you know, can

91
00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,679
Speaker 3: destroy the cholesterol and have an impact on how they function. Also,

92
00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,159
Speaker 3: your brain is like ninety two hundred percent cholesterol as well,

93
00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:37,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's quite important to not look into some

94
00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,000
Speaker 3: of the supplements and some of the things that are

95
00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,440
Speaker 3: on social media and perhaps ask your doctor if these

96
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,960
Speaker 3: are safe to use to bring cholesterol down. Yeah.

97
00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,120
Speaker 2: Often here doctor, especially with regards to things like supplements,

98
00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,840
Speaker 2: with people wanting to I guess balance their hormones. We

99
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,560
Speaker 2: hear a lot about thing called adrenal fatigue. How do

100
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,440
Speaker 2: ourso we know that the body works with the thing

101
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,440
Speaker 2: called homeostasis where the body at all times and is

102
00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,000
Speaker 2: something is wrong, is always trying to return itself or

103
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,760
Speaker 2: the systems to balance. And so if someone then says,

104
00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, part of one of their homones be it cortisolbit, melotonin,

105
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,839
Speaker 2: whatever it is, is out of balance, how would that

106
00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,520
Speaker 2: have happened? And can you as an individual balance your

107
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,760
Speaker 2: own hormones or does your body do that?

108
00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: How does that work?

109
00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,240
Speaker 2: When we speak about a homone out of balance, does

110
00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,840
Speaker 2: that work and if it does, how has it resolved?

111
00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,560
Speaker 3: So no, I think it's there isn't a proven diagnosis

112
00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,080
Speaker 3: of a general fatigue, but definitely stress, lack of sleep,

113
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,440
Speaker 3: not eating well can affit. You know, your body's production

114
00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,599
Speaker 3: of homones from the general gland, and obviously there's a

115
00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 3: lot of other homones that are in laying from your petuitary,

116
00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,039
Speaker 3: from your ovary and testes if you're a male, So

117
00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,720
Speaker 3: I think it's just a local term that's used. But

118
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,480
Speaker 3: definitely if you're getting sixty eight hours of sleep, if

119
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,480
Speaker 3: you are getting sunshine and you're grounding, and I think

120
00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,240
Speaker 3: that's quite important, getting proper vitten and D from the

121
00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,240
Speaker 3: sun instead of taking the tablets. If you're eating well

122
00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,560
Speaker 3: and good eating also so that you're also getting the

123
00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 3: good fats, so food that's grown from the ground from animals.

124
00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,960
Speaker 3: I think the process foods are really bad. The toxins

125
00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,160
Speaker 3: and all the other estrogens that are in the bad

126
00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,320
Speaker 3: foods can also be toxic to your body. And then

127
00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 3: I think the supplements are also an issue because a

128
00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,840
Speaker 3: lot of the supplements are a lot FDA and Sappara approved.

129
00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,160
Speaker 3: So although there's a lot of evidence for supplement and

130
00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,320
Speaker 3: like I'll mentioned ashraganda and alchemy in which promotes relaxation

131
00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 3: and controlling the mood. I think it's important to find

132
00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,760
Speaker 3: products that you know, from a homeopathic point of view,

133
00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,320
Speaker 3: that have been tested and have you know the appropriate

134
00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440
Speaker 3: doses if patients are going to or people are going

135
00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,520
Speaker 3: to use natural things. But there is a role for

136
00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,880
Speaker 3: using hormones. If you, for instance, have a thyroid that's

137
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,320
Speaker 3: under functioning and you're symptomatic, taking natural things are not

138
00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,439
Speaker 3: going to work here. You need to take the hormone

139
00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,480
Speaker 3: that's not being produced.

140
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 4: Sufficiently, the T for the key three, so.

141
00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,040
Speaker 3: That you can function when you can live right.

142
00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, and so when you speak of instance, the

143
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,040
Speaker 2: thing we've heard about quite over the last couple of

144
00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 2: years is this idea of estrogen mimicking compounds or estrogen mimicking.

145
00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,880
Speaker 2: I think they're called xeno estrogens, and we've been told

146
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,359
Speaker 2: that those aren't great, particularly the ones found in plastics

147
00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,439
Speaker 2: and food storage materials. What does it mean when something

148
00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,560
Speaker 2: is an estrogen may make a compound and why should

149
00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,640
Speaker 2: that be a concern? How does that impact the body.

150
00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,080
Speaker 3: So, these estrogen compounds, even in some fruits and veg

151
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,679
Speaker 3: The problem is that for a woman specifically, your body

152
00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,800
Speaker 3: is used and needs because these receptors from your heads,

153
00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,959
Speaker 3: yourself the extra dial and if you're eating bad estrogens,

154
00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,679
Speaker 3: your body is also going to convert to a stress

155
00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,800
Speaker 3: from your liver. And these are toxic because remember I

156
00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,600
Speaker 3: mentioned that there's these locks, these receptors. If they're binding

157
00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 3: too these bad estrogens, you get information in your body,

158
00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,840
Speaker 3: so you can have, for instance, sometimes like the drenosity,

159
00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,079
Speaker 3: but it's because your body is overwhelmed with the bad

160
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,200
Speaker 3: estrogens from the plastics, from the given in them, from

161
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,080
Speaker 3: the processed foods, and some fruits and berga as well. Right,

162
00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,280
Speaker 3: So it's just that it creates an inflammatory response in

163
00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,959
Speaker 3: your body. So I'm not saying that you shouldn't have

164
00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,360
Speaker 3: forest food or you know, I think you've got it

165
00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,560
Speaker 3: limited to the point where your body is still able

166
00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,520
Speaker 3: to recognize and produce its own healthy amounts.

167
00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,480
Speaker 1: Right. And so if we're then.

168
00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,080
Speaker 2: Kind of if you're looking at something or you're hearing

169
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,960
Speaker 2: something about kind of these estrogen memoricking compounds, how do

170
00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,640
Speaker 2: you kind of figure out for yourself if it makes

171
00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,160
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, Because we've heard a lot of

172
00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 2: things apparently having these compounds from certain foods and you know, cans,

173
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,880
Speaker 2: and especially if you are on wildness platforms on social media,

174
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,680
Speaker 2: people are always kind of saying no, don't eat this,

175
00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,320
Speaker 2: or don't wear that or because it has these compounds.

176
00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,480
Speaker 1: How are you able to tell what is I.

177
00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,520
Speaker 2: Guess fat from fiction because there is a lot of

178
00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,800
Speaker 2: information but isn't necessarily coming from experts at doctors, and

179
00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,880
Speaker 2: it can be hard to figure out what's what.

180
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,120
Speaker 1: So how do you tell if this is?

181
00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,200
Speaker 3: You know? I think the first point is to say

182
00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,840
Speaker 3: that if your body is in wellness, your body is

183
00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,319
Speaker 3: going to remove it from your system. But if your

184
00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,880
Speaker 3: body is in a status information, it's not going to

185
00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,079
Speaker 3: be able to fight those So I think as far

186
00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,360
Speaker 3: as the plastics are concerned, we do know, and there

187
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,160
Speaker 3: are some studies that show that some people have an

188
00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,040
Speaker 3: amount of a credit card sized plastic by the end

189
00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,760
Speaker 3: of the week in their brain, using plastic utensils, using

190
00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,840
Speaker 3: plastic cups, plates, So I think then the thing is

191
00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,120
Speaker 3: to reduce the use of plastics, so use glass plates

192
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,000
Speaker 3: instead of the plastic, don't warm your food in the plastic,

193
00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,840
Speaker 3: so that sort of thing. So the exposure to it,

194
00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,840
Speaker 3: it's going to be completely difficult to completely cut it out,

195
00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,640
Speaker 3: because I mean, if you're in a shop and you're

196
00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,960
Speaker 3: thirsty and you want some water, you're gonna drink it

197
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,720
Speaker 3: from the plastic bottle. But I think to limit those

198
00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,960
Speaker 3: keep a glass bottle of water with you. So I

199
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,400
Speaker 3: think the thing is to limit the exposure to it

200
00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,720
Speaker 3: as much as you can.

201
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then doctor with regards to often we'll speak

202
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,240
Speaker 2: about hormones as being female hormones and male homones. So

203
00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,960
Speaker 2: for instance, we think of testosterone as a male homone.

204
00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,480
Speaker 2: We'll think of estrogen and progesterone as female hormones. Is

205
00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,280
Speaker 2: it true that those are exclusively, you know, hormones found

206
00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,800
Speaker 2: in specific genders. So testosterone only found in men, estrogen

207
00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 2: only found in women, and you know not we don't

208
00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,400
Speaker 2: have a mix of those particular hormones.

209
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,480
Speaker 3: So you said's definitely a myth. When you created and

210
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,760
Speaker 3: you are an embryo before we live in weeks, when

211
00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,040
Speaker 3: that change happens. If you're a male, the Y chromosome

212
00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,679
Speaker 3: or trigger testosterone to be released, and as a female

213
00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,440
Speaker 3: is a continuous cycle with estrogen. The points I'm making

214
00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,920
Speaker 3: is that both males and females have the same templates.

215
00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,000
Speaker 3: We both have.

216
00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,640
Speaker 4: Estrogen, progestrion and testosterone.

217
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,319
Speaker 3: It's just that with the male the testosterone predominates and

218
00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,320
Speaker 3: that's you know, from an embryo state, which causes the

219
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,439
Speaker 3: testes and the penis to grow and it suppresses the

220
00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:38,920
Speaker 3: female genital organs. But with the female, estrogen predominates, so

221
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:44,240
Speaker 3: females also need testosterone for the libido just to keep

222
00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,720
Speaker 3: them you know, their metabolism. Good men also have estrogen,

223
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,240
Speaker 3: and men can also have low testosterone and show high

224
00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,000
Speaker 3: estrogen which can.

225
00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 4: Also cause new changes.

226
00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,160
Speaker 3: Believe in mutin meno in men. So men and women

227
00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,560
Speaker 3: have all three sets of hormones. But the fact that

228
00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,720
Speaker 3: the estrogen is high in.

229
00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,439
Speaker 4: Woman, that's what makes women and women.

230
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,440
Speaker 3: It starts in high end men, that's what makes me men.

231
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then for women, doctor, there is a time

232
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,440
Speaker 2: in our lives where there are these fluctuations. So before

233
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,600
Speaker 2: we used to think of you know, you start your period,

234
00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,240
Speaker 2: your period ends, then in menopause. Over the last couple

235
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,040
Speaker 2: of years we've learned there's a thing called perimenopause which

236
00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,240
Speaker 2: precedes menopause. And so when there are those fluctuations that

237
00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,360
Speaker 2: is is that normal? Because often we'll hear, you know,

238
00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,480
Speaker 2: people saying, you know, you shouldn't be going through those dips.

239
00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520
Speaker 2: Your hormones should be at the same level at all times,

240
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,200
Speaker 2: and even when those fluctuations happen. We often speak about

241
00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,920
Speaker 2: homone replacement therapy is not the best thing, or you

242
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,640
Speaker 2: often hear people say, well, don't replace your hormones, but

243
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,800
Speaker 2: if they're in decline or they're fluctuating, surely that therapy

244
00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:58,560
Speaker 2: is needed.

245
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,160
Speaker 3: So I'll start by saying that the world we're love

246
00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,040
Speaker 3: in now is very different. I think I was in

247
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,120
Speaker 3: my first year, I think in two thousand and one,

248
00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,120
Speaker 3: and the textbooks were used for American textbooks, and definitely

249
00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,680
Speaker 3: from what we studied then to now. I mean, girls

250
00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,160
Speaker 3: are starting their period at eight years old. I'm seeing

251
00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,600
Speaker 3: women having signs of menopause in their light cooties. So

252
00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,360
Speaker 3: I think it's just the exposure to stress to you know,

253
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,560
Speaker 3: the way the world is now, that the hormones are

254
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,280
Speaker 3: changing a little bit in their pattern. But definitely I

255
00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,360
Speaker 3: am seeing that there are signs of earlier signs of

256
00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,880
Speaker 3: menopause in younger women. And I think traditionally period menopause

257
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,840
Speaker 3: or the early minopause, and rather to say we'll be

258
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,240
Speaker 3: from forty five and then menopause from fifty.

259
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440
Speaker 4: But I'm seeing forty to fifty now.

260
00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,760
Speaker 3: So there's definitely a change. There was a study done

261
00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,960
Speaker 3: a Woman's initiates. I think that was the worst thing

262
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,880
Speaker 3: that ever happened to women. If a woman needs estrogen

263
00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,120
Speaker 3: and it's safe to take it, if there's no you know,

264
00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,200
Speaker 3: risk for the breast cancer or colon cancers, they should

265
00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,560
Speaker 3: take it. The last twenty six years, women have died

266
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,960
Speaker 3: and have you know, had bad lives because if they

267
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,840
Speaker 3: needed the estrogen to protect their bones from osteoporosis, they

268
00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,120
Speaker 3: haven't taken it. If they needed it to protect them

269
00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,040
Speaker 3: from dementia.

270
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:27,720
Speaker 4: You know.

271
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,080
Speaker 3: I just think if women needed they should take it

272
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,160
Speaker 3: so they can have a good lifestyle, So they can

273
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,240
Speaker 3: protect their bones, they can protect their minds. You know,

274
00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,560
Speaker 3: the hot flushes and the mood changes can be really.

275
00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,720
Speaker 4: Awful that they can't function.

276
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,600
Speaker 3: If women need it, really it's safe to take it.

277
00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 3: These new preparations that can be rubbed on as creams

278
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,320
Speaker 3: so then they're not you know, metabolized if you drink it.

279
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,400
Speaker 3: These better formulas, it's a tablet that has the estrogen

280
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,560
Speaker 3: progestion and the dystosterone. So I think they should start

281
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,800
Speaker 3: to see a mangering you know, using hormones.

282
00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,119
Speaker 4: Because we can use them safely.

283
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,320
Speaker 2: And then in terms of with regards to some health

284
00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,959
Speaker 2: conditions that can affect your hormones, we know, for instance,

285
00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,840
Speaker 2: diabetes can have an impact pecos polycistic variance syndrome. What

286
00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,440
Speaker 2: are some of the other health conditions that can also

287
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,359
Speaker 2: have an impact on what's happening with one or more

288
00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,160
Speaker 2: of your hormones.

289
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960
Speaker 3: So I think this is related to the fact that

290
00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,520
Speaker 3: we've seen of South African women are overweight to obese.

291
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:50,359
Speaker 3: This outlay pandemic is driving the other conditions that happens.

292
00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 3: Your fat cells produce a type of estrogen costor that

293
00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,119
Speaker 3: causes inflammation.

294
00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,480
Speaker 4: From hittytone and that's also for men.

295
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 3: So you have you know, the depression, anxiety. Can you

296
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,879
Speaker 3: fit your thyroid, can you fix your dream or gland?

297
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 3: It's what creates the type one.

298
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,400
Speaker 4: Polycistic Evererian syndrome with your overreach.

299
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,360
Speaker 3: Don't respond because there's high levels of the bad estrogen.

300
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 3: It can cause inflammation literally from your head to your toe.

301
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,359
Speaker 3: And you can imagine how many conditions can pop up

302
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,920
Speaker 3: from that. So I think it's coming back to wellness

303
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,880
Speaker 3: again and you know those health checks to remain in

304
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,680
Speaker 3: a healthy way.

305
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 2: Dr almust thank you very very much for giving us

306
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 2: your time this morning. It's been a great pleasure having

307
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 2: you on the show.

308
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,959
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure have a great difference.

309
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:46,960
Speaker 1: Thank you too.

310
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,719
Speaker 2: That is reproductive in the chronologist, Doctor Ulania Bok McMinn

311
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 2: joining us for a healthy living conversation this morning. Coming up,

312
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 2: we shift our attention to the Nature Diary this morning

313
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 2: we're talking about a book called The Rift. It's a

314
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 2: stunning coffee table book looking at the Great Rift Valley.

315
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 2: It's written by Shem Compion. They'll join us on the

316
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 2: line as always, will be joined by our resident CSI

317
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 2: and nature conservationist Tim Neary. But first, twenty nine minutes

318
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: before seven o'clock was checking with your latest. I witnessed

319
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 2: a new sport with underneath shader