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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Weekend Breakfast with Me, Sarah Jane Makawila King. Now, then,

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Speaker 2: are you a woman who feels constantly exhausted even after

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Speaker 2: a full night's sleep? Are you even getting a full

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Speaker 2: night sleep? Are you in perimenopause and waking up sweating

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Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the morning? Oh no, just me, Okay, good?

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Speaker 2: Are you struggling to switch off, finding it harder to focus,

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Speaker 2: make decisions, or feel like yourself? If that sounds familiar,

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Speaker 2: You're not alone. Burnout is real, and it's affecting more

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Speaker 2: and more women than ever before. And I would put

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Speaker 2: that down to the thing that I always talk about.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't my I didn't come up with this,

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Speaker 2: but it's certainly how I feel like. I'm part of

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Speaker 2: that generation of women who are expected to raise kids.

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Speaker 2: Like we don't have eight jobs to do or you know,

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Speaker 2: most of us. So it's at least working at least

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Speaker 2: one job, and work you know, in a contractually employed

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Speaker 2: situation or whatever, as if we're not raising children. A

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Speaker 2: new program launching in Cape Town is aiming to change

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Speaker 2: the way that women understand success and stress and sustainability. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the sustainability thing is. It's called the Aligned Woman Blueprint

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Speaker 2: and it's an expert led education journey designed to give

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Speaker 2: us women the tools that we were maybe never taught,

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Speaker 2: but are expected to master every day. And it was

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Speaker 2: founded by Laura Thomas, who's an entrepreneur whose own experience

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Speaker 2: with burnout led her really to rethink everything that she

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Speaker 2: thought she knew about success. And she says, you know,

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Speaker 2: with us this morning, Laura, Hello, Hi, good to have

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Speaker 2: you with us, Right, and is this a normal normal?

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Speaker 2: Are you an early bird?

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Speaker 1: I am an early bird? Are you? Yeah? This is

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Speaker 1: something that's learned though, right, Yeah, this is something that's learned, wasn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's alone behavior, it's something that's been cultivated over time.

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Speaker 1: I think the older you get, the earlier you wake up.

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Speaker 1: And I never actually understood when people said that, But

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Speaker 1: then I turned thirty seven around thirty eighth this year,

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Speaker 1: and I just seem to be waking up earlier. What

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It could be.

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Speaker 2: You asked the question. All right, listen, let's let's start

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Speaker 2: with your story. You had what many people would consider

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Speaker 2: a very successful career, but it came at a cost.

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Speaker 2: So what happened sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a burnout of epic proportions. Yeah, air

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Speaker 1: PEP proportions. You know, I ran a successful advertising agency

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Speaker 1: for thirteen years of my life, and I was running

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Speaker 1: my life and my business in just a completely unsustainable way.

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Speaker 1: And as you're putting your hand up there, you know

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Speaker 1: all about it. You know, I was just going completely

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Speaker 1: against how I should be working as a woman. And

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Speaker 1: it really really caught up with me. And what shocked

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Speaker 1: me wasn't how sick I got. It was how much

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. So once I started unraveling everything, you know,

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Speaker 1: layers and layers and layers of how did I get here,

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Speaker 1: I was just I just couldn't believe how much I

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Speaker 1: I went to a fantastic private or girls school. I

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Speaker 1: have a degree. I am well read, I am curious.

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Speaker 1: I do all the things I read, and yet here

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Speaker 2: What was the tipping point? What was the what was

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Speaker 2: the I suppose I don't want to say rock bottom,

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Speaker 2: but what happened? What was the implosion?

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Speaker 1: The thing about burnout is that it happened slowly, and

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Speaker 1: then all at once, so you start feeling quite tired,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to gym enough. So then you go

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Speaker 1: Maybe I need to work harder? So you karda and

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Speaker 1: then next minute you just find yourself in this complete hole.

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Speaker 1: on this journey of this isn't right. You know, it

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Speaker 1: took me six doctors to try and figure that out.

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Speaker 2: What were they saying? What you were going in saying

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Speaker 2: I feel X, Y and Z, And they were saying, whoa.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe it's your hormones. Yeah, maybe go get a

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Speaker 2: So what is it You've said it's not a motivation

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we certainly don't lack capable and ambitious woman.

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Speaker 1: On the On the contrary, the issue is that in school, university,

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Speaker 1: education on actually how to hold success and in a

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Speaker 1: way that doesn't lead to burnout. So you know, we

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Speaker 1: teach women in this course how to lead and still

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Speaker 1: feel powerful, but still in a feminine way. We teach

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Speaker 1: you about your nervous system, We teach you about your body.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know what earth this is so embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I probably didn't know what it was to I

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Speaker 1: Year and I started working trader and I was like.

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Speaker 2: When I got one period and I can't lift his

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Speaker 1: taught to have linear productivity. It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 1: Our biology doesn't work like that, and yet we are

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Speaker 1: to burnout or one of the many things that needs

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Speaker 1: to burn out. But you know, understanding your physiology as

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Speaker 1: You know, skipping breakfast in the morning actually signals to

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Speaker 2: So many of us, and I said this in the introduction,

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Speaker 2: so many of us as women are juggling multiple roles.

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Speaker 2: but I'm also financial provider, doctor, counselor I'm everything in

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Speaker 2: the mental load is falling on the woman. Why I suppose,

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Speaker 2: why do you think burnout has become so widespread? But

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Speaker 2: the equality shift. How has that contributed to burnout?

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Speaker 1: We have the opportunity to do all these incredible things,

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Speaker 1: but there's no blueprint teaching us how to do it.

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Speaker 1: There's no history to look back on and go, oh,

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Speaker 1: So we're working in a world that was made for men.

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Speaker 1: This is not a mannishing thing. I don't want that

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Speaker 1: to be. Don't start messaging yeah, please please, I don't

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Speaker 2: The thing then, going on from that is that there's

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Speaker 2: go on. Then we're not We're not going to make

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Speaker 2: It puts us in our masculine, which is another thing

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely not. So that's why this course is so

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Speaker 1: important because we deal with that. How do I come

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Speaker 2: Go on then answer that question?

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to have to take the course.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, talk about some other key areas that women

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Speaker 2: the Aligned Woman Blueprint. If you're just joining us this morning,

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Speaker 2: Laura Thomas is in studio with us. Is the founder?

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Speaker 2: Tell us?

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Speaker 1: Sure? So we start out with understanding burnout. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: from a physiological point of view, the nervous system, like

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Speaker 1: I said, But then we move on to foundations of

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Speaker 1: psychology behavioral rewiring, so identifying unconscious patterns and conditioning shaping

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Speaker 1: all decisions. What feminine leadership looks like how to have

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Speaker 1: authentic confidence and influence, understanding money, understanding your purpose, career alignment,

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Speaker 1: and relational intelligence, as well as negotiation as well. But

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Speaker 1: what's important is that what underpins all of this is

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Speaker 1: something called the LIVE method that we've come up with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the LIVE method stands for awareness, liberation, intention, vision

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Speaker 1: and execution. Okay, okay, and you have to follow that

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Speaker 1: And the reason why is because awareness. You can't be

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Speaker 1: a leader that's successful if you don't have awareness of

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Speaker 1: your body right as an example, So you need to

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Speaker 1: understand how you can hold that success before you actually

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Speaker 2: That's interesting, that's interesting. Okay, You've designed this for women

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Speaker 2: at very different life stages. I mean, how would this

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Speaker 1: You know, we deal with all of these subconscious patterns

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Speaker 1: This is not about changing you. This is about equipping

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Speaker 1: but we're never ever taught. This is about making you

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Speaker 2: How do people get in touch with you. How do

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Speaker 1: So you can go to alignedwomanco dot com, forward slash

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Speaker 1: and follow us on Instagram aligned Woman and a score

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Speaker 1: This is such a passion for me. Right, I feel

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Speaker 2: This feels this, This to me is something that I

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Speaker 1: Right, it's absolutely for corporates. You know, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: little a little happy Women's Day email? No, here's some chocolate,

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Speaker 2: here's here's some chocolatecolate Let you get the chance to

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Speaker 2: have eight million tasks to do.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I love that you said that. I

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Speaker 1: need to learn how to succeed more. Trust me, You've

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Speaker 1: do this. We already know women are already inherently hard

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Speaker 1: on themselves. There's just one more thing that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to say about ten seconds. The course is taught by experts.

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Speaker 1: Each module is taught by an expert, so PhDs, doctors,

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Speaker 1: women that are leaders in their fields. There is no

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Speaker 1: overnight coaches here, expert led, expert lad.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, indeed, fascinating stuff.