WEBVTT - Current Affairs: Molefe and Gama corruption case update

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<v Speaker 1>Seven, not Scene and current affairs. This is our current affairs,

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<v Speaker 1>is Komodo Moudis and i'm Infra brah OBEs today. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for tuning in and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your contributions. It is thirty nine minutes past nine pm

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<v Speaker 1>and we are talking all things current affairs. Lots happened

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<v Speaker 1>today and we just had this conversation with a freelance journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>Quanity Hunter, on the developments with the DA at the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend where we saw that press briefing that left me

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<v Speaker 1>at least feeling a little underwhelmed. I don't know about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing some of your contributions, your WhatsApps right

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<v Speaker 1>on the WhatsApp nine are really appreciated. Mabasa saying if

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<v Speaker 1>the DA doesn't support budget for other ministers, who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to support DA ministers in their own department budget? The

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<v Speaker 1>DA is shooting itself in the foot. They're petty and

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<v Speaker 1>throwing tantrums. And someone else said that, actually I think

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it on X but someone asking was asking,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not going to vote for their budget, who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to vote for your budget? I mean it's quite

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a threat to make. But again, is

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<v Speaker 1>it an empty one? It sure sounds like it. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw another comment a little earlier, someone saying someone alert

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<v Speaker 1>much earlier, actually in the start of our conversation on

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<v Speaker 1>the DA. I think it was Sepaul. Yes, he said

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<v Speaker 1>Ramapasa took DA serious for the first time over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not believe till it was confirmed by his

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<v Speaker 1>office that he was waiting for CNA's in's announcement. Both

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<v Speaker 1>Ramaposa and DNA's need each other, while Paul and Zillah

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<v Speaker 1>are questionable, and that's Sepul. Do you feel that the

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<v Speaker 1>president is moved by what the DA has been saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly doesn't feel that way for me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I found the article that I was speaking about in

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<v Speaker 1>our interview with Quanita, where it's basically it's on e

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<v Speaker 1>w N and it says withdrawal from National Dialogue likely

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<v Speaker 1>to see DNAs in hot water. That's because as a

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<v Speaker 1>as an organization, the DA could withdraw from the National

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<v Speaker 1>Dialogue and it really wouldn't matter mean much. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a minis Stern cabinet, that's very different, especially because

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<v Speaker 1>siennais and is one of the ministers who have been

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<v Speaker 1>appointed to head up the Interministerial Committee on the National Dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>And the President really is not having him sit this out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure the.

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<v Speaker 1>President is bullied or really you know, scathed by what

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<v Speaker 1>the DA has announced. And I think the ball is

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<v Speaker 1>still in the DA's court, or maybe I should say

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<v Speaker 1>Sienna is in court for now. All right, this is

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<v Speaker 1>seven US and Current Affairs. All right, our second story

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<v Speaker 1>in the Current Affairs feature this evening. Did you see

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<v Speaker 1>the appearance of the four trans Net executives. For my executives,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say Brian Maleffe have been one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as.

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<v Speaker 2>Gama.

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<v Speaker 1>Those names really having I don't want to say, become synonymous,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, worth corruption matters. But we are seeing at

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<v Speaker 1>least two corruption matters in different courts linked to Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>Malifair and Gama, which really, you know is interesting. The

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<v Speaker 1>ide pursuing them in a different court today in Palmbridge,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they appeared in court today. A from

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<v Speaker 1>Eyewitness News was there and he joins us now Live Alpha,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us this evening. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>talk us through this court appearance. What exactly were the

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<v Speaker 1>former executives in court for today?

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<v Speaker 2>Him? Yes, so former transmit executives appeared at the partage

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<v Speaker 2>Magistran's quote and like you said, the facing broad corruptions

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<v Speaker 2>and money laundering charges. Now these two are former CEOs

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<v Speaker 2>or for my top executives a Transnitt and they currently

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<v Speaker 2>member members of Parliament for the condoces A party. The

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<v Speaker 2>other two Samsan Atli who was a top engineer Transnitt

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<v Speaker 2>and a procurement officer at the part of Data when

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<v Speaker 2>the aless corrupt activities happened. And there's also a notch

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<v Speaker 2>thing who was the chief financial officer at trans Net

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. So what's happening here is that between

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen is understood that a transaction

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<v Speaker 2>advisory contract for about one thousand and sixty four U

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<v Speaker 2>locomotives was awarded to a company called JP Morgan, and

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<v Speaker 2>that very same contract was then reversed and reassigned to

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<v Speaker 2>a company called Trillion Capital, which is a company that

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<v Speaker 2>is linked to the Gupta controversial GUPA family. In just

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<v Speaker 2>a few months later, Homoso about nineteen three million rand

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<v Speaker 2>was moved from transmit acoust to that company that linked

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<v Speaker 2>to the group the family, and seventy four million Len

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<v Speaker 2>was then channels to some of the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>linked to the Gupta brothers and the state is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a direct violation of the Public Finance Management Act

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<v Speaker 2>Money laun Drinks. They also say that the process of

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<v Speaker 2>canceling the contract that was awarded to JP Morgan and

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<v Speaker 2>reassigned to Chillian Capital, that process was flawed and several

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<v Speaker 2>rules of flouted as well, which showed that there was

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<v Speaker 2>some corrupt activities that happened here. So these for men

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<v Speaker 2>appeared at the partments magistrates quote today and I understood

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<v Speaker 2>that the CFO the former CFO are noting and was

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<v Speaker 2>directly responsible for proving those payments to the company that

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<v Speaker 2>linked to the group the family, and that's how they

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<v Speaker 2>are linked to the case. The primarily who was the

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<v Speaker 2>group's CEO at the time, is accused of turning the

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<v Speaker 2>blind eye to these things as though we're happy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also achieved of mis leading the board when he was

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<v Speaker 2>asked a treaty to account about how the Guda family

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<v Speaker 2>got to be reassigned to this contract. Who was not truthful,

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<v Speaker 2>According to the state about how that happened. And you

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<v Speaker 2>also have Tam Sangachiani, the propurement officer, who also allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>worked with Brian Mulci to ensure that that contract is

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<v Speaker 2>reassigned to the Guda family. So it's a very complex case.

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, so we are facing similar charges

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<v Speaker 2>in a separate case that also has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>locomotives I mean Brian Mullesi and I'm not saying game

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<v Speaker 2>as well are going to stand trials from February in

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<v Speaker 2>a separate case that is also linked to locomotives that transmits.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a very complex state capture case that we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that we saw play out today at the Partment's

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<v Speaker 2>Magistrate's court.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's important that you mentioned that it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>state capture case because we heard Branler for a little

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<v Speaker 1>earlier on speaking to journalists on the sideline saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he's really written to the former Chief Justice at Raymond Zondo,

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<v Speaker 1>who was heading up that Commission of Inquiry, to challenge

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<v Speaker 1>some of the findings there and he feels it's unfair

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<v Speaker 1>that he's now being charged with this matter while his

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<v Speaker 1>submissions are still before Zonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I mean that's you know, that's not you.

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<v Speaker 2>Several other people who are implicated in state capture have

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<v Speaker 2>tried in some way to challenge the findings. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Gueram Dasha himself was another person who tried to challenge

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<v Speaker 2>the findings of the Zondo Commission of the Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Zlo Commission rather and Brian Malisia as well, saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he's not happy with those findings and it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>true representation of who he is and his tenure that

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<v Speaker 2>transmit and I take it back to that Zondo Commission report.

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<v Speaker 2>It found that Brian Moleskama and are not Sing should

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<v Speaker 2>be prosecuted, should be investigated for allegedly channeling about ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three million ran to come companies that are linked to

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<v Speaker 2>the controversial with the family slouting processes as well in

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<v Speaker 2>awarding them that contract. So the Zonder Commission did make

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<v Speaker 2>those recommendations. The under Commission as well investigated them at

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<v Speaker 2>links handed over the case to the Ideas which also

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<v Speaker 2>made their own investigations. So he did say that he's

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<v Speaker 2>not happy with the fact that he's facing two separate

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<v Speaker 2>cases and he might, you know, end up facing two

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<v Speaker 2>separate trials. That are linked to locomotives as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's nothing new. We've heard it quite a number of times,

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<v Speaker 2>people trying to challenge the findings of the report of

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<v Speaker 2>the Commission of Inquiry int allegations of state capture. I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, you know, something that stood out for me during

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<v Speaker 1>today's court appearance and bail application is just how the

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<v Speaker 1>financial affairs of these accused were just laid bare. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard about school fees that Brian Fair has to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for and their budgets essentially what came out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that was a very interesting part during

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<v Speaker 2>today's court proceedings. It was their first appearance, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>so during the form of bail application because they were

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<v Speaker 2>facing Schedule five senses they had to formally apply for

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<v Speaker 2>bail and their lawyers were reading out their bail applications

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<v Speaker 2>and their affidavits in court today and then that there

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<v Speaker 2>were a number of details to me that were quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So for context, the state had requested the court to

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<v Speaker 2>release them on bail off two hundred thousand rands, but

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Mulasi and the other court acqus for telling the

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<v Speaker 2>court that they cannot afford you know, two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>rands for bail, and Brian Mulissi himself asked the court

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<v Speaker 2>to release them on twenty thousand and bail. He was

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<v Speaker 2>essentially given fifty thousand bail, but in making the point

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<v Speaker 2>that he can't afford two hundred thousand land for bail,

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<v Speaker 2>he told the quote that he earns about forty four

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<v Speaker 2>thousand ran a month. He takes home forty four thousand

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<v Speaker 2>rans a month as a member of Parliament for the

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<v Speaker 2>Kondo Sea Party and broke down quite extensively where each

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<v Speaker 2>and every single pay from that forty four thousand goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen thousand rand goes to the school fees that he's

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<v Speaker 2>paying for his children, spending three thousand rands for Grosi

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand and for additional grozie at another property, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>a farm that he owned. So there are a number

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<v Speaker 2>of places where his money is going at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the month, and that includes a majority of it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to his family, and he says he could

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<v Speaker 2>not afford two hundred thousand rands because of that. He

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<v Speaker 2>has other responsibilities and he can't just neglect his family

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<v Speaker 2>just to try and get money for bail. The state,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge ended up giving them a sixty thousand event bail,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was initially requesting twenty thousand bail, which he

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<v Speaker 2>said that it's what he a fought. So we heard

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<v Speaker 2>today about their financial matters, how much they earned as

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<v Speaker 2>members of parliament as well. So I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite of an interesting revelation in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially because I mean when sib Gama was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>next to he was the one who was okay with

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<v Speaker 1>the two hundred thousand reds, was he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you know it was. It was very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sibonga Gama and Brian Mulifu was sitting next to

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<v Speaker 2>each other in court in the dock. There were four

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<v Speaker 2>accused and Siawonga Gama Brian mulif were in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>and the two kept on sharing jokes throughout the court

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<v Speaker 2>proceedings that they kept on consulting each other, talking to

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<v Speaker 2>each other as court proceedings goals. I mean at some

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<v Speaker 2>point or even frustrated at what the state prosecutors were

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<v Speaker 2>submitting before the court, and when that part, the financial

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of it came out, I could see them becoming

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<v Speaker 2>more tense as a Gama told the court that he

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<v Speaker 2>finally paying two hundred thousand men, you know, for bail.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see. I mean I remember Prime really shaking

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<v Speaker 2>his head and telling his lawyers that I'm not okay

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<v Speaker 2>with that. And then that's when we hit the lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they want twenty thousand and bail. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>a massive difference between that two hundred thousand percent that

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<v Speaker 2>the Overcama was willing to accept. I mean, he ended

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<v Speaker 2>up paying one hundred and fifty thousand less than what

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<v Speaker 2>he said he could afford. So you could tell just

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<v Speaker 2>judging from the as frustrations their body language, who is

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<v Speaker 2>okay with what and who isn't okay with what?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, And maybe just finding the demeanor. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always interesting for me to look at the demeanor

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<v Speaker 1>of the accused, but also just you know, the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that you were getting in the courtroom. Was the state prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? And and how are you accused?

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<v Speaker 2>In the dock? The state seemed very much prepared to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor that is dealing with this case, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>same prosecutor that dealing with the other corruption and sword

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<v Speaker 2>case that Brian Mulisi are not saying and facing. So

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<v Speaker 2>he extensively researched. He knows his word. He's dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the cases. You know, he's been dealing with it for years,

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<v Speaker 2>so he knows what he's talking about. And we could

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<v Speaker 2>tell and at some point, I mean apposted these views

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter Brime Mulifi and was so frustrated with what

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<v Speaker 2>he were saying that they were even shaking their head.

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<v Speaker 2>And the group is back in quote on the sixth

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<v Speaker 2>of October, and the defense made a submachine quote that

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<v Speaker 2>by the next appearance, the state needs to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of further particulars need to be the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be handed over to the defense. And the

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<v Speaker 2>we heard the state saying that they can't be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>given orders by the defense, and that's really angered Brian

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<v Speaker 2>muli It angered as well, even shaking their heads standing

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<v Speaker 2>up in court. It was quite of a dramatic day,

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<v Speaker 2>I might say. As far as the two other accused,

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<v Speaker 2>the concerned, I'm not just saying and Tam san KIAI

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much quiet to out the whole proceedings, did not

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<v Speaker 2>try to object, say anything, not even you know, calling

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<v Speaker 2>their lawyers to consult with them or to reject something.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other two pretty much were accepting whatever was

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<v Speaker 2>happening in court, but Brian Mulifi and Kama were visibly frustrated,

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<v Speaker 2>shaking their head a number of times. I mean, in

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<v Speaker 2>the videos you can see Brian Mulich is sitting down,

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<v Speaker 2>putting his hands on his head. At some point, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just telling his lawyers that he can't accept it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was interesting to see them. A

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<v Speaker 2>person like Brian Mulish has been in caught a number

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<v Speaker 2>of times before. It's interesting to see him in the stake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, awful. It looked very interesting and it looked very

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic from where I was. Alframshana is a e W

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<v Speaker 1>AND reporter who