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Speaker 1: We need to move on. Fresh from the launch of

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Speaker 1: her latest book called Swift at the Book Lounge on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Melinda Ferguson is with us, not talking books, not today anyway,

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Speaker 1: but talking cars, and she's got the latest Namster stats

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Speaker 1: for us and also has been cruising around in drool

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Speaker 1: the land Drover blah blah, the Landrover Defender one ten diesel.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what we're calling it, high mail. Can

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Speaker 1: you see me?

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Speaker 2: Mail?

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Speaker 3: I see you, darling.

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Speaker 2: You look very bright and very clean and today shining

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Speaker 2: like a start.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks very much. Indeed, right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Namsa, you are LED's zoo through these numbers because I

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Speaker 2: really want to spend time on the Defender, which has

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Speaker 2: blown my blown my gasket. Yeah, okay, Look, we've got

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Speaker 2: another record sales month, representing the local market's best.

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Speaker 3: March performance since two thousand and seven. What is happening?

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Speaker 1: What's happening?

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Speaker 3: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So my thinking is people are going a bit crazy

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Speaker 2: and they just go, you know what, it's all going down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know which word I want to use now.

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Speaker 2: Everything it's a bit like that COVID kind of crazy

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Speaker 2: lockdown feeling where people are hoarding people are shopping, people

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Speaker 2: are going mad, and now they just buying cars true

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Speaker 2: and diesel, which we don't have any of. I mean

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Speaker 2: it is I think next month we're going to be

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Speaker 3: I just or maybe it will be in May.

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Speaker 2: But April or May must see something shift in this

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Speaker 2: absolute like buoyant market that just keeps growing and growing

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Speaker 3: Listen. I mean it's good news, but it is a

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Speaker 3: bit weird. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is good news, but I am also then worried

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Speaker 1: about when we look at debt, you know, personal debt.

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Speaker 1: I'm also concerned about. And we have this conversation when

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Speaker 1: it first kind of was implemented, the two pot system,

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Speaker 1: what people are doing with that. I had an interview

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Speaker 1: with Mayafiicier French talking about, gosh, people are dipping into

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Speaker 1: this two pot system and it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: disaster for them. So it's kind of apples and oranges,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's the ying and the yak.

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Speaker 2: I do think there's a nearalistic feeling around the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's see that there's a war going on

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Speaker 2: that's affecting the entire planet. And I do think people

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Speaker 2: are going, we don't know what's going to happen, so

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Speaker 2: let's just have a good time.

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Speaker 3: An agree with South African attitude.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I must say locally, South African's are the

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Speaker 2: best at making a bad situation look polishing a terms.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, I think I before you even said that,

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Speaker 1: and I thought all good numbers, and I'm nodding along.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything that you say. And also I

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Speaker 1: think that when you live under pressure in that way

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Speaker 1: all of this, there does come a point where I

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Speaker 1: think people hit the the ethics switch. I really do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do as well. Sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Toyota sold thirteen three hundred and twenty three units.

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Speaker 2: VW came in at number second, number two, number two,

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Speaker 3: They beat Suzuki this month.

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Speaker 2: V W must be very happy. Suzuki came in third.

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Speaker 2: Isuzu nip Tuande and the Isuzu D Max this month

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Speaker 2: outsold the Ford Ranger. Okay, good backy yeap. So Uzi

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Speaker 2: came in at number four. Very happy with those numbers,

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Speaker 2: Then we've got g w M Chinese company, great Wall

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Speaker 2: Motors and Cherry at seven and eight. Mehindra, the Indian

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Speaker 1: Now the T one the T two, I don't I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, they are selling as their order. I spoke

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Speaker 3: Out listen, which gets us too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd like us to move into the land

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Speaker 2: Let's the car that the T one and T two

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Speaker 2: It's got that tough off road. But we're not doing

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Speaker 2: the review today. We're doing the Defender. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you I have been in the tour,

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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, but when you get to the Defender,

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Speaker 2: I went, Okay, Nah, I'm in a proper car. Nah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like a really a car that is meant

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Speaker 3: The the jur isn't actually an off roader. It's a

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Speaker 3: light off roader.

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Speaker 2: This Defender is equipped to go the mountains, rivers, streams, rocks.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's got that hilt.

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Speaker 1: Down Dale as my late father would have said, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could hours talking about the history of

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Speaker 2: the Defender and we're not going no, we hadn't got

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Speaker 2: created in nineteen forty eight. And then all hell broke

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Speaker 2: loose when they when they replaced that old Defender with

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Speaker 2: the new Defender in twenty nineteen, right, And I have

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 1: The diehards didn't like it, did they that?

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Speaker 3: The diehards hated it?

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Speaker 2: They all gathered wherever they made that last one in

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Speaker 2: Liverpool or wherever it was, and everyone was crying and

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Speaker 2: tearing their clothes and as the British do in an icon, leaves.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean this Defender, the new one, which came out in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, is just the bus.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm team I'm team new one. I have

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Speaker 1: to say whenever I see one, I think God one

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Speaker 1: day too. Let me sell a few more books and

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Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get myself one of those because I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love it. What what sits in the same class,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I must just tell you I'm driving the

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Speaker 2: three liter diesel.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have a look now. I saw you

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Speaker 1: post something on stage.

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Speaker 3: Are you there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I understand, I'm here. I'm just looking on

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Speaker 1: I saw that you posted something on Instagram. So I

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Speaker 1: want to see the one that you're driving. Oh, hello, love, No,

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Speaker 1: look at that color.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Wollstone Green, yelling. It really is very British. It's

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Speaker 4: a very British. It's very tweed. I've got a couple

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Speaker 4: of gun dogs in the back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a three liter six cylinder two two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty eight killer watt twin turbocharged diesel. Of course, it's

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Speaker 2: all wheel drive. Obviously, it's very I mean, diesel is

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Speaker 2: fuel efficiency, this is the one to get, rather than

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Speaker 2: say the petrol that would be much hungrier. The rivals

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Speaker 2: that you're asking about. Yeah, the Toyota land Cruiser Prado definitely.

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Speaker 2: Even the land Cruiser three hundred could be seen as

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Speaker 2: course you've got your Jeep Wrangler, You've got your Jeep

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Speaker 3: Got your Mercede.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Mercedes Benz G class G wagon is a

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Speaker 2: lot more expensive, but it is in that same all

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Speaker 2: is the ripoff of the old Defender. It looks exactly

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Speaker 2: like the old Defender, and that's an Ineos Grenadier.

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Speaker 3: That would be a rival.

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Speaker 1: Is the jeep Wrangler arrival of this.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is the Jeep Wrangler can really go

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Speaker 2: off road as well. So I think they're looking at

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's biggest, biggest rival by far

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing like a Landy. I'm sorry, I'm

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Speaker 2: The ninety would be my I mean, the V eight

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Speaker 2: to the Petrol look, the one that goes really fast,

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Speaker 2: the five liter. That ninety is a demon. But let's

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Speaker 2: just go back to the one ten, which is the

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Speaker 2: family sized.

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Speaker 1: The little cute one, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It would be very good if we had if you

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Speaker 2: had no children. Yeah, we're going back to your previous guests.

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Speaker 1: Now she's loving, she's she's found. Yeah, no, she's fancist,

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Speaker 1: all right, And then into where did you take it out?

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Speaker 1: By the way?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean I took it off to my cabin.

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Speaker 2: But what I did because I now had and it

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Speaker 2: was raining, the roads were really muddy, corrugated, slippery, and

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Speaker 3: I put my foot down and I did just go.

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Speaker 2: I did take it up some more precarious mountain paths.

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Speaker 2: I'm on my state, on my state, on the estate,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean, listen, I'm probably taking it back

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Speaker 2: off road again on Monday, because it's rare that I

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Speaker 2: have such a fabulous, beautiful, all like everything about it.

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Speaker 2: They're inside, the outside, the looks. I think that they

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Speaker 2: all that like rugged vibe. But this very classy, very wealthy,

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Speaker 2: very beautiful car is quiet.

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Speaker 3: I think it's genius, I really do.

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Speaker 1: Do we know it's it's still quite it's still British

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Speaker 1: in heritage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jaguar, Land Rover, it's but your member.

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Speaker 1: Don't who belongs to Tartar And now it's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's Tartar.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think Tata owns the entire company, but

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Speaker 2: they've always had their British I mean it's so British,

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Speaker 2: it's stayed in the UK, it's manufactured there. It's really

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Speaker 2: the quintessential I think, success story for the UK in

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Speaker 2: terms of motoring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's break it up a little bit in

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Speaker 1: terms of things that you that really stood out for you,

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Speaker 1: that you really liked about it.

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Speaker 2: Apart from halts, I love the wind the windsor leather

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Speaker 2: seats Darling, Sure, I love those. I loved all the

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Speaker 2: kind of brilliant safety things like hill descent control, electronic

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Speaker 2: traction control. They've got all sorts of three D surround

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Speaker 2: cameras you go to see everything. You know, you see

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Speaker 2: your entire surroundings. You've got lane keeper says, blind spot assys,

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Speaker 2: the rear collision monitoring, all these kinds of things, and

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Speaker 2: then of course your boot space. It's one thousand and

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Speaker 2: seventy five liters, which a big dog in there. You

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Speaker 2: could fit about five dogs, big ones and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: big ones, I'd say Saint Bernard's. I'd put five cent

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Speaker 2: Bernets in the boot and when you put those backs

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Speaker 2: heats done, it's two thousand, three hundred and eighty, so

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Speaker 2: you could fit fifteen Saint Bernard's.

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Speaker 1: Lovely, lovely. I saw a Saint Bernard the other day.

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Speaker 1: We don't have time for that digression, but I was

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Speaker 1: at Rhondebosh Common saw a Saint Bernard puppy. Made my

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Speaker 1: heart happy. I'm looking at the interior again. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not flashy, is it. It looks quite simp

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Speaker 2: But it's very classic. Every and everything is really well made.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you have to talk about the off

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Speaker 2: roading as the absolute highlight of this of this car.

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Speaker 2: You've got wading, you've got abilities to go on like

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Speaker 2: high ascent, like steep descent, you can go on sand,

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Speaker 2: mad rock, snow like everything, and it's just you feel

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Speaker 2: so safe, Like I was going at speed in quite

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Speaker 2: bad conditions and I never for once thought I'm going

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Speaker 2: to slide, you know, And so you can either use

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Speaker 2: the terrain response system yourself or whilst you just put

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Speaker 2: it into auto and the Landrove of course, instinctively knows

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Speaker 2: what it needs to do, which is what is really

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Speaker 2: really super about this car?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that didn't float your boat about this car?

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Speaker 3: Any little made?

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Speaker 2: The price? The price is probably what I would you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't have the I have a car that's been

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Speaker 2: SpecEd out, but it starts at about.

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Speaker 3: One point eight million.

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Speaker 2: I'm to just tell you the price and then it

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Speaker 2: can go right into the twos and that look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's class.

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Speaker 1: It's isn't it funny when when you say it, when

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Speaker 1: you say one point eight one point two and I

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Speaker 1: go run, And then I put it in two pounds

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Speaker 1: and I go yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the same, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, funny, funny funny. What are we giving this out

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Speaker 1: of ten? I'd love to get behind the wheel.

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Speaker 3: Of one of these.

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Speaker 1: I really, you know what I'd like to do. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to just just comparison. And I'm not I

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Speaker 1: say comparison. I'm using that term lightly because we're talking

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Speaker 1: I know it's not the same. That said Neville at

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Speaker 1: William Simpson said to me a year ago, literally it

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Speaker 1: was a year ago. I said, what's what's coming? And

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Speaker 1: he said, you need to watch out for the for

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Speaker 1: the T one and T two. And he also said

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Speaker 1: to me that people are what do you call it,

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Speaker 1: trading in their bms, their Mercedes et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: their Porsches for viewermodors, your your bikes, your your your

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Speaker 1: your tour. So to say, it's not the same, sure.

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Speaker 3: But people are.

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Speaker 1: People are looking at that price difference and thinking, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's do that. So I know it's sort of

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Speaker 1: say so I'd like to just for interest's sake, get

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Speaker 1: behind a T one, for example, a T two versus

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Speaker 1: a Defender, just to see what are you giving it

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Speaker 1: out of ten? Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Mel, okay, this is hysteric.

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Speaker 2: I think I've only done this one, so I'm giving

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Speaker 2: it a ten out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: Imagine imagine if they've heard you and they're like, we

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Speaker 1: might as well just let her keep that one she's

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Speaker 1: driving around in. I know, I know green one, especially

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Speaker 1: the Woolstone Green one.

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Speaker 3: Mel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Indeed, we will chat to you

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Speaker 1: again next week. A ten out of ten, unprecedented for

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Speaker 1: the Landrove Defender one ten Diesel