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Speaker 1: Hobbe two days of bold ideas, powerful conversations and proudly

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Speaker 1: local innovation. The fourteenth by Local Summit and Expo Live

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Speaker 1: on seven O two.

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Speaker 2: So as you may be aware, the how Train is

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Speaker 2: entering a new chapter. For more than a decade, this

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Speaker 2: high speed rail link connecting Johannesburg, Pretoria and or Tambo

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Speaker 2: International Airport has been operated through a public private partnership

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Speaker 2: between the private the Houting Provincial Government and the Bombella Consortia.

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Speaker 2: But that arrangement is changing. The concession agreement that has

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Speaker 2: governed the project since before the World Cup infect is

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Speaker 2: coming to an end and the provincial government is moving

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Speaker 2: towards a new ownership and operating model for the how

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Speaker 2: Train system Sapok Hobbe joins us here in our studio

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Speaker 2: at the Senten Convention Center. Mister Hobbit, great to see

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Speaker 2: you again, good morning. Good to see a limit is good?

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Speaker 3: Good good. I actually want to.

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Speaker 2: Start off by giving a personal experience I had at

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Speaker 2: the how Train, which is good. I've realized because I

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Speaker 2: fly out a lot, sometimes quickly in and out, and

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Speaker 2: I picked up that I actually have been paying like

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Speaker 2: one rent or two rent for packing when I park

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Speaker 2: at the Sentence how Train station and I head over

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Speaker 2: to our Tambo International Airport and I can't get my

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Speaker 2: car from here, which is amazing. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: this thing is for a short period of time, but

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, please keep it longer because it's working

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Speaker 2: for a lot of us who have to go in

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Speaker 3: Well, if you say so, then it is working.

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Speaker 2: No, it is, It is definitely working. So I want

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Speaker 2: us to start off with, of course, the houting provincial

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Speaker 2: governments officially taking over the how train from Is it

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Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of March?

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Speaker 3: It is next week?

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Speaker 4: So that's next week Friday, Next week Friday, that's how

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Speaker 4: Really it is next Friday, only a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've got a clock now offer that counts in seconds?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what does that mean in practical terms?

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Speaker 4: So let's let let's go. Do they call it, let's

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Speaker 4: dispel the data they call that has been around for

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Speaker 4: a very long time. So when we did so, we

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Speaker 4: have two dates, you know. One we call it Operation

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Speaker 4: Commencement Date one, the famous day here in sant and

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Speaker 4: right to the airport the howth rain opens.

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Speaker 3: That's Operation OCD one.

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Speaker 4: We have OCD two which your cares in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 4: at the point of OCD two, the entire system has

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Speaker 4: been built. And once it has been built, it then

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Speaker 4: gets to a point where it gets to be logged

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Speaker 4: on the assets of government. It gets handled over in

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Speaker 4: full as an asset of government in twenty twelve. Now

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Speaker 4: all that is happening next to Friday is that they

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Speaker 4: remember when you do a PPP, there is money that

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Speaker 4: comes from the private sector, there's money that comes from

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Speaker 4: the from government. Our obligation to that contract ends. And

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Speaker 4: as it ends, the system is unincumbered and it's fully

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Speaker 4: owned by government without any other hour do they call

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Speaker 4: it any other debt that sits over it. Now, what

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Speaker 4: that does then gives us the ability to be able

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Speaker 4: to think differently about it. You know you you actually

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Speaker 4: your your earlier comment about the one rand parking it

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Speaker 4: then gives them the flexibility then be able to say

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Speaker 4: with the team to say can we continue with that

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Speaker 4: for one rand and then empower the airport line to

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Speaker 4: run better and have more And it's a form of

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Speaker 4: discount to you because you can be out of the

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Speaker 4: country for ten days and you will only pay ten

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Speaker 4: rents when you come back and That is very empowering

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Speaker 4: because when you think about it, how much would you

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Speaker 4: pay at the airport to pack there? So then it

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Speaker 4: gives us the flexibility to go commercial the way we

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Speaker 4: want to go commercial. A lot of our stations are

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Speaker 4: then bring on you know what called retail plus amenities

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Speaker 4: you might have seen here in something. Now we have

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Speaker 4: a new driver's license and testing center, so you can

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Speaker 4: walk into the station and redo your license, your personal license,

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Speaker 4: or register your own vehicle right here in the station.

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Speaker 4: So that's part of what we're now able to do,

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Speaker 4: unencumbered by a contract that we have to you know,

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Speaker 4: exactly that. But that allows us to be able to

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Speaker 4: think differently about the system.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but appointing a new Concessionnay, how far behind are you?

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Speaker 2: Because the last I checked, I think you guys were

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Speaker 3: We are trying to catch up the time.

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Speaker 4: So right now we are looking at a daughter there

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Speaker 4: go about five to six months, but we are catching

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Speaker 2: So does that affect operations in any way, not in

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Speaker 4: So one of the clever things that we're done. When

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Speaker 4: the contract was signed was for us to create a

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Speaker 4: provision that said, if the contract is terminated aly or

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Speaker 4: by the contruct ending as in the time ends of

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Speaker 4: the contract itself, and we have not yet appointed a

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Speaker 4: new service provider, what it do we allow us to

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Speaker 4: do is then get the current operator, not the concession.

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Speaker 4: And I need this to be clear. We are not

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Speaker 4: extending the concession agreement. It is not possible to extend it.

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Speaker 4: We are using a provision called the operator Collateral Agreement

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Speaker 4: to then enable us to directly manage the operator. Oh,

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Speaker 4: this is them, which is the Bumbella Operating Company. So

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Speaker 4: we as government will manage them directly and then make

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Speaker 4: sure that they do the work the same way they've

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Speaker 4: done it before for the last fifteen years, and we

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Speaker 4: will continue with the good quality service that.

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Speaker 3: You're used to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So a lot of our listeners, of course care

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Speaker 2: about how this is going to affect them. So now

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Speaker 2: that you have a clean slate with this new operator

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Speaker 2: that's going to be coming in, what aspects of the

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Speaker 2: praise previous arrangement do you believe needed the most improvement

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Speaker 2: and how does the new concession model address those shortcomings?

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Speaker 4: So the new concerns and model. What it allows us

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Speaker 4: to do. It allows us agility the old contract. You know,

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Speaker 4: when you build systems like ours, the amount of money

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Speaker 4: try and lock the contracts in such a way that

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Speaker 4: it is not flexible. To a great degree, it protects

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Speaker 4: both parties, but it also creates a very slow and

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Speaker 4: you look at how long it took us for us

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Speaker 4: that we're carrying on for a while. How long it

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Speaker 4: this is one of the key things that is important

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Speaker 3: Our next chapter.

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Speaker 4: In our next chapter, the revenue of the system comes

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Speaker 4: to the to the state, and in that way we

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Speaker 4: have the flexibility to can discount as much as we want,

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Speaker 4: and the benefits go to who the benefits go to

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Speaker 4: the public more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we will see it discount on how much

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Speaker 2: we pay to our Timber International Airport when you joined

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Speaker 2: us the last time. I mean, that was the issue

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Speaker 2: that our listeners were raising. I park at the centen

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Speaker 3: We are agreeing and we're looking into it.

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Speaker 4: We're looking into it and full to be able to

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Speaker 4: say what kind of discounts could we look at the

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Speaker 4: does the APS or the port passenger service still makes

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Speaker 4: things that happened, I mean last year when we were

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Speaker 4: around the world and compare ourselves to systems similar to ours.

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Speaker 4: Funny enough, our airport pricing is below power internationally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's our GPS.

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Speaker 4: Which is the general passenger service that ended up being

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Speaker 4: the higher one more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: But trees are those they're probably like very rich countries,

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Speaker 2: you know, like Renomers. There was a freak, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I think to be fair also, I mean that's why

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Speaker 2: I said, I actually appreciate the fact that I am

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Speaker 2: not paying more to pack at over Turmbo International Airport.

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Speaker 2: At least I'm saving a lot of money packing at

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Speaker 2: the houtrain station and I'm only paying three rand or

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Speaker 2: two rent for for for that. Please, can you just

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Speaker 2: clarify the clever Move product because you mentioned it and

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Speaker 2: some listeners may not be aware of it, that that's

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Speaker 2: a discount for what households and how much less than

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty thous So how do you demonstrate that?

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Speaker 2: Then there's a client, So there's there's there's a link

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Speaker 2: on which you register or you can go to any

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Speaker 4: They will ask for documentation, prove over the colord of

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Speaker 4: income and and all of that, and through various other

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Speaker 4: mechanisms because you know, it's cross collaborative views of databases,

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Speaker 4: be able to have proof of what do they of

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Speaker 4: what you are claiming?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Are people taking this up?

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Speaker 2: I mean this is quite a bag and discounting first

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Speaker 4: Yes, we've seen a rise in our numbers. Remember the

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Speaker 4: last time I was Yeah, we're discussing the issue of

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Speaker 4: the system directly, we've just bridged thirty eight thousand on

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Speaker 4: clevel mover. People are taking up and people are registering.

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Speaker 3: We thought it was.

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Speaker 4: Going to slow down at some point in time, but

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Speaker 2: So are you beginning to see numbers returned to like

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Speaker 3: It will get it.

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Speaker 2: So it's slowly getting there.

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Speaker 4: It's not slowly, right, I mean we've gone from what

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Speaker 4: we're on thirty two in December to where now we're

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Speaker 4: and higher. So we're watching it every week, even us

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Speaker 4: we're looking at it. But we did see when we

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Speaker 4: looked at our analysis that the numbers are coming from

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Speaker 2: Okay, so of course, critics of the system always say

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Speaker 2: that it's still structurally inaccessible to like the working class commuters.

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Speaker 2: Are the discounts enough though, or does the whole model

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Speaker 2: need rethinking.

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Speaker 4: We need to work out our last mile services, and

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Speaker 4: our last mile services have to be able to bring

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Speaker 4: the people from you know, working class communities into the space.

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Speaker 4: And we've seen it in not reclot in our rollout

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Speaker 3: We're not paying for it now because we now own it.

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Speaker 3: Transport.

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Speaker 4: Transport has always been what we call a negative concession

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Speaker 3: You may be away now.

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Speaker 2: The how Train is entering this new chapter. What are

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Speaker 3: Hey, Glement, good day, good day, good day.

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Speaker 5: Hey.

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Speaker 6: I'm just listening to the gentleman saying that how training

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's the what's what's the future all,

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Speaker 4: Look, we are clear about the issues of you know,

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Speaker 4: And in this case, I can I show the listeners

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Speaker 2: It's ten thirty seven. We are in conversation with zeper Robe,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with you. Liam, in fact is calling us

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Speaker 2: from Benoni. Good morning, Hi, good.

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Speaker 7: Morning, Thanks for taking my call. A question from my

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Speaker 2: All right, Liam, thank you so much for a question.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the subsidy will continue, but not at the same amount.

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Speaker 4: for you to travel between Hatfield and Park, or I

446
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Speaker 4: could actually be able to look at it as a

447
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Speaker 4: social service and and and and a service that empowers

448
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Speaker 4: the economy, and therefore I subsidize half of that amount

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Speaker 4: so that you can cover the cost. And as I

450
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Speaker 4: explained in the beginning, we were covering the cost of

451
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Speaker 4: building and then maintaining. Now we have to cover the

452
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Speaker 4: cost of operating and what do they call it and maintaining.

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Speaker 4: And therefore there isn't a point at which you you

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Speaker 4: you just look at this thing and just say, well,

455
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Speaker 4: I don't need to subsidize, because once you say I

456
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Speaker 4: don't need to subsidize it, that means the full cost

457
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Speaker 4: of what needs to be recovered to keep the system

458
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Speaker 4: functioning has to be passed through to the commuter.

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Speaker 2: How much was the subsidy from government?

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Speaker 4: I don't have the number of the top of my head.

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Speaker 4: I can always provide that number two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just go to some WhatsApps on oh seven two seven,

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Speaker 2: O two one seven or two.

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Speaker 5: I Clement, Wow, how refreshing to just listen to a

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Speaker 5: fellow engineer speaking about all this developments.

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Speaker 8: Morning, Clement and the listeners. I just wanted to find

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Speaker 8: out because I that the how train will be extending

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Speaker 8: into Springs.

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Speaker 3: What what What's what's the primary objective?

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Speaker 2: How do they select?

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Speaker 3: What's the criteria they use?

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Speaker 8: Because they.

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Speaker 2: In the Eastrand, Springs is one of.

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Speaker 8: The most dilapidated areas.

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Speaker 3: It's one of.

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Speaker 8: The crippled and dying areas Springs Benonne.

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Speaker 2: They are not thriving in terms of the market.

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Speaker 8: So if if maybe they can explain why is Springs

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Speaker 8: one of the point of interest where they're trying to

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Speaker 8: build how train when there's places like Albertine.

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Speaker 3: Which are further down in the East Rand.

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Speaker 8: If they can just explain that to me, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I commending the team.

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Speaker 9: My question to the CEO is, with regard to the

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Speaker 9: expansion of the how train, don't you think that the

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Speaker 9: expansion may turn the how train into a convenience product

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Speaker 9: or a convenience mode of transport, which means you will

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Speaker 9: be forced to charge lower prices. In other ways, you

489
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Speaker 9: will have to treat the how train as a lost

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Speaker 9: leader or as a dog product, which means I foresee

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Speaker 9: another essay in the marking. And lastly, you said you've

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Speaker 9: done a feasibility study. Do you think that that feasibility

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Speaker 9: study will exist in two years to come when you

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Speaker 9: complete the project?

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Speaker 2: David in Parkot, thank you very much for your questions.

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Speaker 4: Clement, I loved the first question, and and it's always

497
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Speaker 4: intricking that when people think about places like Sprints, you

498
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Speaker 4: don't think of the ability for us to do what

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Speaker 4: we've done in something what you've done in Rosebank, the

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Speaker 4: how Dread everywhere that's gone, property prices have gone up,

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Speaker 4: and it is actually empowered development. It was built as

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Speaker 4: exactly there an economic empowering project. And in essence, why

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Speaker 4: do we think that people in Springs should not have that?

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Speaker 4: Why should we because right now we have this model

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Speaker 4: where we move people instead of moving jobs. Imagine the

506
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Speaker 4: Springs that is striving and so people don't need to

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Speaker 4: get on the freeway and people need to travel into

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Speaker 4: Springs and it is actually the property prices in Springs

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Speaker 4: will improve incredibly. So I mean, why should Springs not

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Speaker 4: benefit from the same benefit that the likes of rose

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Speaker 4: Bank and what do they call it and something have

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Speaker 4: actually enjoyed from actually having a health trans station. Right now,

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Speaker 4: in Rosebank, all properties are sold according to the approximity

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Speaker 4: to the health tranistation, because it is if you want

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Speaker 4: a place to die, start it of transport and accessibility.

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Speaker 4: The howth train is bringing accessibility across the entire province

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Speaker 4: as a whole, and even in areas where we're going

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Speaker 4: into townships, it will do exactly the same thing and

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Speaker 4: power the areas to be able to grow. I mean

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Speaker 4: when we looked at Jablani and during the visibility study,

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Speaker 4: we have the ability to actually grow the area in

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Speaker 4: and around the mall and the theater into a space

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Speaker 4: that is commercially viable as big as what something is today.

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Speaker 3: And when you look at the polycentric.

525
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Speaker 4: Model of development, it allows us to have multiple centers

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Speaker 4: rather than reinforcing the old apartey spatial nodes that we

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Speaker 4: have continued to do so because the original question says

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Speaker 4: why can't we go? Yes, all patient is included in order.

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Speaker 4: The collar just didn't mention it. It is included in that.

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Speaker 4: But we have to empower the townships. We have to

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Speaker 4: make sure that places where you know that are run

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Speaker 4: down and all of that, we revive them. I mean

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Speaker 4: those that remember Rose Bank in Order they call it

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, they

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Speaker 4: will tell you it was beginning to become a din

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Speaker 4: and therefore look at it today, it's one.

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Speaker 3: Of the hottest property prices in the whole of How

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Speaker 3: they and why can't that happen?

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Speaker 2: For for sprints, there was another question about the extension

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Speaker 2: and whether or not this is not going to tend

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Speaker 2: the house training into a convenient mode of transfer.

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Speaker 4: Contrary, it actually has the opposite effect. So most of

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Speaker 4: the systems that we also looked at international when we're benchmarking,

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Speaker 4: is that the how Threading's current problem with its ridership

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Speaker 4: it actually it's a network effect problem. And when talking

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Speaker 4: about the network effect, you have to have other lines

547
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Speaker 4: that feed onto the central line so that you can

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Speaker 4: then have the numbers.

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Speaker 3: So the more areas you go into.

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Speaker 4: The more numbers you will carry, and then more numbers

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Speaker 4: you will carry on the central line, and in itself,

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Speaker 4: it will actually reinforce the ridership or not the regular

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Speaker 4: on the central line and into nodes that are across

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Speaker 4: so you have the ability for people to travel across

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Speaker 4: the province without them getting into their cars at an

556
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Speaker 4: extra ef fact it will have with transport is a

557
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Speaker 4: game of numbers. One of our biggest challenges is most

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Speaker 4: systems have only recovered to eighty percent. We are about

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Speaker 4: to reach our eighty percent now of pre COVID numbers.

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Speaker 4: But what we have is those systems run millions of

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Speaker 4: people a day.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: Once you have that ability to be able to you

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Speaker 4: are able to then reduce the prices in such a

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Speaker 4: way that it actually is beneficial.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's the economics work, if you think.

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Speaker 4: About it, it's you making sure that instead of charging

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Speaker 4: few people a high price, it's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who then you make up the.

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Speaker 3: Samement of money I see.

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Speaker 2: In fact, speaking of numbers, there was a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four Houting survey study that showed forty percent of workers

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Speaker 2: now follow highbrid schedules compared to about fifty percent pre COVID,

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Speaker 2: which leaves trains perhaps quite during rush hours, but maybe

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Speaker 2: even busier during mid day. Are you factoring that in

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Speaker 2: so that you don't? I mean, you want to know

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Speaker 2: how do you redesign the system built around the traditional

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Speaker 2: commute when people no longer commute in the same way.

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Speaker 4: Clement, We thought that was going to, you know, stay

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Speaker 4: on for a very long time. One of the things

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Speaker 4: that I employ anybody who are the colored who lives

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Speaker 4: and how then to do try.

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Speaker 3: Driving around during the day.

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Speaker 4: In extra fact, we no more help so, just like

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Speaker 4: any other international city and regions like Li Diference and

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Speaker 4: all places like that, is that we have constant traffic.

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Speaker 4: We have a constant peak. So we have had a

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Speaker 4: pronounced peak in the morning, a pronounced peak in the afternoon,

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Speaker 4: but the freeway is full the entire day. And the

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Speaker 4: extra fact you cannot guarantee anybody to get to them

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Speaker 4: within an hour during the day. And we are actually

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Speaker 4: starting to see those numbers move back onto the system.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we're considering is instead of

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Speaker 4: studying our our afternoon peak at half past three, we

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Speaker 4: should actually started at half past two, because that's when

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Speaker 4: traffic starts on on on on on the freeway.

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Speaker 3: That's when congestion starts.

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Speaker 4: Not even traffic congestion stands it help us too, and

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Speaker 4: that in itself, it's something that will become worse and worse.

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Speaker 4: Our car growth in how Thing we're growing at seven

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Speaker 4: percent a year. We have five point two million cars

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Speaker 4: in this whole small space. We are as car made

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Speaker 4: as people in Europe and not Recolla and in the

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Speaker 4: US the people who have more cars than anybody else.

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Speaker 3: It's in the US.

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Speaker 4: So pay a thousand people eight hundred people have a car.

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Speaker 4: In Europe, pay what do they call it?

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Speaker 3: Pet?

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Speaker 4: Thousand people six hundred people have a car. In how Thing,

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Speaker 4: thousand people, four hundred and fifty people have a car.

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Speaker 4: That's how congested we are. And it will get worse

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Speaker 4: with the advent of what the colot of the affordable

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Speaker 4: Chinese models that are coming into the area is. Ownership

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Speaker 4: of a car is no more an option. It's now

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Speaker 4: something that will happen. So now it is now going

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Speaker 4: to get worse rather than get better. Do we do

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Speaker 4: you want to actually build when it's now we're stuck

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Speaker 4: and we look like three twenty ten and how then

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Speaker 4: through an improvement.

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Speaker 3: Too was not done. No, we're not going to wait.

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Speaker 4: We have to make sure that we make decisions today

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Speaker 4: that actually enable us to be able to still be

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Speaker 4: a functional province.

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Speaker 3: In the future and plan.

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Speaker 2: I had a few questions have come through on the

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Speaker 2: words applying through text. So one systlament a place, can

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Speaker 2: you ask the CEO what the plans are to include.

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Speaker 2: Areas that aren't airmarked to get the trained route with

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Speaker 2: regards to getting their feeder buses to feed into the

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Speaker 2: main station, like the job itself in Mondo to Basonia

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Speaker 2: area have been neglected. These areas being.

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Speaker 4: Considered so in actual fact that we're going to be

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Speaker 4: doing now. So that's what I call on loocking the

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Speaker 4: south and it's a bigger plan. And when you think

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Speaker 4: about it, instead of sending cars over the ground interchange,

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Speaker 4: why couldn't we help them station or be have a

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Speaker 4: pack and ride at Nazari and then be a to

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Speaker 4: bring on the people on order they goll it with

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Speaker 4: with that feed up.

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Speaker 3: Bus service as a whole.

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Speaker 4: So we are and looking this south would be one

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Speaker 4: of those things that we activate immediately now going into

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Speaker 4: May June, because it has been one of the part

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Speaker 4: of our plans for a very long time and it's

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Speaker 4: now so you will be seeing a lot of media

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Speaker 4: buses that will be rolled out all.

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Speaker 3: Over the place.

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Speaker 4: Why are we using the twenty two seaters rather than

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Speaker 4: the big buses is because they are agile and they

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Speaker 4: can go through the suburb roads rather than the narrow

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Speaker 4: roads rather than the big bus.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there was a question about the buses, someone

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Speaker 2: who says, Clement, I always see the large how train

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Speaker 2: buses traveling around certain with a maximum of ten people

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Speaker 2: in a bus. Can't these buses be used for public

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Speaker 2: transport and then you use ten seater buses ten for

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Speaker 2: the how train.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things that we couldn't do, and

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Speaker 4: you know sometimes when I explain the benefits of what

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Speaker 4: we're going to be able to do, is that at

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Speaker 4: certain stations we couldn't make the train match up with

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Speaker 4: the with the metchup with the with the train schedule

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Speaker 4: metch up with the buss schedule. We're going to take

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Speaker 4: a lot of those buses and repurpose them into those

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Speaker 4: heavy traffic lines, and then a lot of the buses

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Speaker 4: that had been in the system over a period of

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Speaker 4: time will be changed to media buses. We will not

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Speaker 4: started the process in rose Bank, and bid by bid,

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Speaker 4: you will start seeing less large buses in Rosebank and

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Speaker 4: more the media buses as we roll out the roots.

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Speaker 2: And then another question, Sirs Clement, can you ask why

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Speaker 2: the northbound leg did not go via four ways and

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Speaker 2: then Madrain. There's clearly a big need there. Marlborough would

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Speaker 2: still be serviced by the airport leg.

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Speaker 4: The actual order they call it the actual route determination

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Speaker 4: that we've just completed now of the new phase one.

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Speaker 4: Remember the old phrase one used to be just only sobeto.

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Speaker 4: The new phase one actually covers from Cosmo City, then

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Speaker 4: it goes past Montecasine in fourways, then goes to Sunning Hill.

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Speaker 4: From Sunning Hill, then out in not the color and

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Speaker 4: and and and ends up being through mid Rand into

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Speaker 4: into some rin.

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Speaker 3: But one of the.

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Speaker 4: Key things that are important is that we have a

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Speaker 4: great opportunity in terms of transport, on on on on

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Speaker 4: on on Winni Mandela Road.

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Speaker 3: Winnia Mandela Road.

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Speaker 4: Has one of the largest medians you could ever ever have.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we we we got to

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Speaker 4: pick up as we were working through the visibility study

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Speaker 4: is that not everything needs to be heavy rated. Some

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Speaker 4: of the options of us looking at light rail systems

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Speaker 4: such a tram such as trems or not do recular,

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Speaker 4: on on on on Winni Mandela Road. To be able

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Speaker 4: to take people from as far as deep sload into

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Speaker 4: the center of something will actually be one of those

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Speaker 4: options that we've explored and are are looking at them

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Speaker 4: be and they are quick to implement.

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Speaker 3: They don't take that much space.

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Speaker 4: I mean when you think about what they call it,

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Speaker 4: something like mono rail or what are they called some

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Speaker 4: form of light rail system can actually be able to

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Speaker 4: be used to be able to cut through that area

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Speaker 4: there so that the people of always can live better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, care's some what's a voice notes As we wrap

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Speaker 2: up our conversation, Good morning, Clement.

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Speaker 10: I don't understand when the government prioritizes how trains instead

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Speaker 10: of prioritizing the Prosa metro rail because those are the

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Speaker 10: cheapest mode of transport and they're in townships. How Train

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Speaker 10: was not prioritizing South Africa's We was prioritizing areas that

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Speaker 10: are far away from us. Yeah, in the western and

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Speaker 10: you don't even have another mode of transport except taxi,

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Speaker 10: especially in Garfish and Garfish and most likely we have

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Speaker 10: only a mode of transport of a taxi. So I

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Speaker 10: see another corruption now that is in government, because this

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Speaker 10: explosion is going to take how many is and how

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Speaker 10: many millions of billions are going to be pumped in

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Speaker 10: the ice just disaster. We'll be complaining in a few

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Speaker 10: years whether the money is where the moneys have gone

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Speaker 10: because now it's controlled by the government now because the

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Speaker 10: entity that was controlling it is now gone.

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Speaker 3: I claiment. The question that I have is that when

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Speaker 3: government gets.

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Speaker 11: Involved in major projects, and we've seen the Suparis titles,

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Speaker 11: we've seen the levels of corruption overinflated pricing. So my

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Speaker 11: question to the CEO is that how will they mitigate

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Speaker 11: against corruption that may take place, which possibly can still

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Speaker 11: take place.

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: By okay, I think you may have to explain that again, Okay,

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Speaker 2: is an agency that it has been operating that's not changing,

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Speaker 2: So it's not like government somehow things are going to

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Speaker 2: be different in terms of the management. You as the

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Speaker 2: as the agent how train management agency, you still continue

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Speaker 2: to run it and you've been receiving clean audits in

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Speaker 2: fact for over decades. So that just goes to show

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Speaker 2: the kind of skills that exist within that agency.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lemon.

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Speaker 4: Let me explain this and may you probably explain the

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Speaker 4: governance arrangements. I have a board that I report to

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Speaker 4: that keeps myself and the management of the agency accountable.

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Speaker 3: There isn't so.

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Speaker 4: And that board then reports into the order they call it,

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Speaker 4: into the NEC and then ultimately into the department and

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Speaker 4: into the Housing province. Now that the governance structures of

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Speaker 4: the how there are intact, as you said, we have

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Speaker 4: TETA in clean audits.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at getting a fourteenth one this year.

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Speaker 4: And none of that model that has brought us so

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Speaker 4: far is going to change. The knowledgeable and capable state

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Speaker 4: agency that has run the system for this for all

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Speaker 4: these years and then allotted the benefits to or to

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Speaker 4: the communits is still going to continue, and and there

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Speaker 4: are knowledgeable people who are capable of doing what needs

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Speaker 4: to be done.

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Speaker 3: The question on what do they call it on on.

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Speaker 4: On the belief that prices are going to get infected.

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Speaker 4: The market determines the prices, and therefore you cannot just

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Speaker 4: really nearly create a price on large projects like this.

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Speaker 4: You can't piddle around with the prices. The actual competition

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Speaker 4: from people who are bidding is so high that it

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Speaker 4: actually brings prices down.

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Speaker 2: Supper Horbeit, thank you so much for speaking to us,

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Speaker 2: and all the best as you enter this new journey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having mem It's four minutes before eleven