WEBVTT - Bail application of 12 murder accused SANDF members

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<v Speaker 1>Right, let's get out to the courts. Then. This is

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<v Speaker 1>going on at the Randburg Magistrates Court twelve members of

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<v Speaker 1>the South African National Defense Force and they're facing a

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<v Speaker 1>number of charges related to the murder of Hawk's investigator

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<v Speaker 1>Franz Martipa almost two years ago. You may recall we

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<v Speaker 1>had any Van fear and from open Secrets giving us

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<v Speaker 1>background on that case. So what happened in the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>Nako Kanya and tumble our ewn reported colleague is there

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<v Speaker 1>was there and is keeping an eye on things. Nako Kanya,

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<v Speaker 1>How far has the case progressed? What do we know

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<v Speaker 1>so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Good afternoon, John, to you and the listeners as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So really a long day in terms of procedure. We've

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with I think the bulk of the bail application

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the day. The matter has just been rolled over

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes ago until Thursday for further hearing, just

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<v Speaker 2>to sort out the addresses of some of the accused,

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<v Speaker 2>being South African National Defense Forced members, particularly of the

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<v Speaker 2>special forces. John, there just was some concerns about which

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<v Speaker 2>address for the purpose of the bail application was more

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<v Speaker 2>suitable that of their army barracks or that of their

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<v Speaker 2>where their families really are. So the court just wanting

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<v Speaker 2>the defense lawyers of some of the accused to sort

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<v Speaker 2>that out and come back and having verified with the

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<v Speaker 2>investigating officer the exact residential addresses of those accused in

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<v Speaker 2>the matter. But other than that John, it really just

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<v Speaker 2>was a day of going through the applications and the

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<v Speaker 2>statements made by the accused to the court in furnishing

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<v Speaker 2>their requests for bail or asking for five thousand rand bail,

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<v Speaker 2>or saying to the courts that they are upstanding members

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<v Speaker 2>of the public, that they don't plan on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>contacting any of the possible witnesses and the matter. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know any of the witnesses in the matter,

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<v Speaker 2>telling the court that they in fact also even though

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<v Speaker 2>against John at this point, and I made this point

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<v Speaker 2>a little earlier, that we're not at the stage where

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<v Speaker 2>they need to make a plea to the court, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just wanted to tell the court as early on

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<v Speaker 2>as now that they really have no business in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular matter. They don't know the victim, the first being

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Matipo, who was killed in twenty twenty three in August.

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<v Speaker 2>They say they have no knowledge of his murder, no

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of the abduction of two foreign nationals at the

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<v Speaker 2>Mall of Africa either. And we're only finding out, John,

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<v Speaker 2>just as we walked out of the court that in

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<v Speaker 2>fact there are a total of three murder charges that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to face, with the exception of accused number eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>So initially, and Open Secrets would have told you this

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<v Speaker 2>as well. In some of their coverage early on, it

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<v Speaker 2>was only thoughts that France Matifa was the only person

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<v Speaker 2>who may have murdered been murdered, even though there were

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<v Speaker 2>suspicions that this particular special forces group was involved with

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<v Speaker 2>much more sinister dealings. But the NPA confirming to us

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<v Speaker 2>just a few moments ago, John, that in fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who were abducted from the Mall of Africa, who

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<v Speaker 2>were suspected to the ISIS of sas Kits twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>haven't that now also been declared dead. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>additional two murder charges that we're now seeing will include

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<v Speaker 2>then of those two who were abducted, that of the bodyguard,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as Abdilla Abbertigo, who was the ISIS associates.

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<v Speaker 2>We are told, so three kinds of murder and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course the ones that you did mention a fraud

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<v Speaker 2>of theft, of making false statements as well, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where we are again. It will be rolled over to

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday just to fine lines the matter of the residential addresses,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the bail outcome will then be made we

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<v Speaker 2>expect later on in the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, very full picture of what happened in

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<v Speaker 1>that Randberg court. Twelve members of the ESSAYNDF facing very

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<v Speaker 1>serious charges. Indeed, it's twenty five minutes past three