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Speaker 1: Everything you need to start your day.

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Speaker 2: We all have a voice.

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Speaker 1: Use yours call to one double four six oh five

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Speaker 1: six seven, Join the conversation on Talk. What would a

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Speaker 1: Easter Sunday be if not for the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States threatening war crimes against Iran? Donald Trump taking

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Speaker 1: to his Truth social platform on Easter Sunday, warning that

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Speaker 1: Iran would be targeted, their power supply, infrastructure and bridges

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Speaker 1: destroyed on Tuesday today if they did not open the

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Speaker 1: Strait of Homuz. He called Iranian leaders crazy bastards, and

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Speaker 1: he wrote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge

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Speaker 1: day all wrapped up in one in Iran. Open the

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Speaker 1: F word straight, U, crazy bastards, or we'll be living

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Speaker 1: in how just watch. He then closes off that tweet

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Speaker 1: by saying, praise to Allah, Donald J. Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 1: How has those remarks been experienced? What has been the backlash? Well,

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Speaker 1: the immediate market backlash saw oil prices spike bncrew went

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Speaker 1: up by one point four percent. Gas prices have surged

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Speaker 1: to its highest level since twenty twenty two. It also

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Speaker 1: contradicts Donald Trump's earlier position because just days earlier, didn't

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Speaker 1: he say that the US doesn't need the strait of

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Speaker 1: humus and then all of a sudden saying, open up

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Speaker 1: the straight or I'll send you back to the stone age.

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Speaker 1: Donovan E. Williams, international relations expert, joining me now on

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Speaker 1: the line. At what point do we not treat every

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Speaker 1: tweet by Donald Trump with the international headlines that we

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Speaker 1: saw over this last weekend, or do we pay attention

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Speaker 1: when the leader of the United States is promising a

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Speaker 1: war crime, and that by targeting a country's electricity supply. Donovan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a public moultdown, isn't it. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: quite I'm close to saying that if a member of

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Speaker 2: my family went through such a mountdown, you know where

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Speaker 2: you You're so contradictory in days, and there's been building

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Speaker 2: in different ways over the last three weeks. Thursday or

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Speaker 2: Friday there's a tweet or a place conference, and then

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday there's another treat which contradicts that toys

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Speaker 2: even more deranged then I think as a family would

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Speaker 2: call an intervention, and they've.

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Speaker 1: Been called within US circles, from members of across the

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Speaker 1: calling on the American cabinet, Donald Trump's own cabinet to

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Speaker 1: invoke what's called the twenty Fifth Amendment, where cabinet members

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Speaker 1: can decide, you know what, you don't appear foot to

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Speaker 1: stand office in any other world. Is this man suited

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Speaker 1: for the most powerful position in the world. Of course not.

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Speaker 1: But the world has changed so much in the last

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Speaker 1: eighteen months, hasn't the Donovan?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it has. There's there's so many levels to this.

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Speaker 2: The one is, you know there there's still the midterm

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Speaker 2: elections to come in November. Do you wait till then?

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Speaker 2: But as that's but it's in so far away now,

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Speaker 2: with what's happening in Iran and as well as sudden Lebanon,

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Speaker 2: and it is worriesome that you can you wait for it.

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Speaker 2: The matter is this is that as much as he says,

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Speaker 2: and it is correct, the stretch of our moose does

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Speaker 2: not matter to the US in terms of oil supply,

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Speaker 2: but in terms of Europe and so forth, it does

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Speaker 2: matter to them. In terms of the US for other

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Speaker 2: goods it does matter. And in terms of their market

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Speaker 2: would they sell to It does matter so indirectly, not

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Speaker 2: directly for oil, but for the US economy, for the

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Speaker 2: stock exchange, which we know he follows religiously, it matters.

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Speaker 2: So he and and and Marco Rubio, you know, echoed

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, not with the same language obviously, but claim

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Speaker 2: that this internal waterway of Imman and Iran, it's illegal

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Speaker 2: for them to close the waterway. But the US is

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Speaker 2: doing precisely that with Kuba, precisely that which they're calling illegal,

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Speaker 2: they had done to Venezuela, you know, consistently. So they're

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Speaker 2: building their own case against themselves. But this would all

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Speaker 2: be a fascinating wargame or even a movie if it

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Speaker 2: hasn't if it if it didn't affect the world economy

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Speaker 2: in the way it is. Every country has been effected.

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Speaker 1: But the strait of a moves does matter to fuel prices.

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Speaker 1: Twenty percent of the world's oil travels through that narrow

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Speaker 1: straight and we know that the price of oil is

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Speaker 1: governed and regulated by OPE. So even if the United

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Speaker 1: States doesn't directly get its oil from UH the Gas States,

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Speaker 1: the price at the pump for Americans will be affected.

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Speaker 1: Is this what changes the game for Donald Trump? Is

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Speaker 1: that the internal dissatisfaction for the way that he has

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Speaker 1: handled this illegal war against Iran that turns the table.

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Speaker 1: Is it a weight out? And see it till November

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Speaker 1: later this.

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Speaker 2: Year, it's it's it's it's all of that left because

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Speaker 2: we know that that internal matters. His internal popularity is

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Speaker 2: affected by the economy and in particular the full crisis

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Speaker 2: at this also because he came in as a president

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Speaker 2: who says I'm going to stop the favor wars, particularly

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and this is a this is

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Speaker 2: contradicting what he's doing. He's gone and he's been quoted

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Speaker 2: and it's gone around now where he's saying that we

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Speaker 2: can't afford this is applied for you know, like a

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Speaker 2: doubling of the of the defense budget of a trillion

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Speaker 2: for the defense budget because of this war uh itself

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Speaker 2: more than that. On the bridge day, there's only there's

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Speaker 2: limited bridges in Iran that they can target as the Americans.

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Speaker 2: But the number of bridges and infrastructure if Iran retaliates

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Speaker 2: returns the favor as such in the Gulf States, are

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Speaker 2: a lot more that are under that that that are

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Speaker 2: near American basis or assist American basis. So this is

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Speaker 2: the problem of of what what has occurred at each

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Speaker 2: time he threatens Iran to do something, Iran has got

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Speaker 2: greater choices in how in where they actually attack and

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Speaker 2: and and at some stage he's military cheese side and

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Speaker 2: I have to sit him down and say to him

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Speaker 2: he is not assisting their war plan. He's actually hurting it.

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Speaker 1: Message. Isn't power plant's fair game in war? Know, it's

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Speaker 1: not various international convictions that say if you target the

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Speaker 1: country's power grid that then has knock on effects to

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Speaker 1: other things. That's the production of food, it is water reticulation.

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Speaker 1: It is trying to get warmth or electricity safe, for example,

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Speaker 1: to a hospital where someone may be on some sort

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Speaker 1: of life support machine. Targeting the country's electricity infrastructure and

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Speaker 1: the threat of that is a war crime. But in

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Speaker 1: this case, who stops Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Well, both Trump as well as Hegg said he self

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Speaker 2: styled secretary of war as opposed to defense. They move

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Speaker 2: on on the irrational common sense you know, you know

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Speaker 2: the thing all is fair in love and war. They

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Speaker 2: believe that is correct. They believe who has the power

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Speaker 2: makes the rules. Donald Trump himself has said that I

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Speaker 2: don't care about international law. I'm guided by my own morality.

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Speaker 2: So you have all these matters where those things don't

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Speaker 2: matter to him. Those in war, we can do anything.

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Speaker 2: And it is very similar to how Israel operated in

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Speaker 2: Garden and it's operating right nine southern Lebanon. Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: has pointed out that what they're doing right now in

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Speaker 2: southern Lebanon is carpet bombing and displacing all of the

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Speaker 2: thousands of people, you know, tens of thousands of people.

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Speaker 2: So this is where we are right now as a

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Speaker 2: world that those who claim to be the democrats in

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Speaker 2: are the ones breaking the same rules they say that

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Speaker 2: make them better than others.

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Speaker 1: Officially, Donovan Iran has responded dismissing Donald Trump's rapped as

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Speaker 1: obscenities and nonsense. Well, I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 1: that on the Iranian government social media and the social

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Speaker 1: media accounts of the various mbassies around the world, in

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Speaker 1: fact mocking Donald Trump. They've turned the embassy accounts into

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Speaker 1: joke troll accounts. So when Donald Trump's says open up

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Speaker 1: the strait of a mouse, then you have embassies official

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Speaker 1: accounts from Iranian embassies joking by saying we've lost the keys.

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Speaker 1: Is this the way to deal with Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Well, they obviously have a cruise of I would presume

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Speaker 2: young people who are able to keep Donald Trump. They

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Speaker 2: play at his own game. In a sense. There was

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Speaker 2: one the one said that we don't have the keys,

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Speaker 2: and then there's another one said the keys are under

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Speaker 2: the flower pot for our friends. And there's all the

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Speaker 2: lego movies that they're making. So it is in a

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Speaker 2: sense it's a communication war. But the sad part is

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Speaker 2: the price at the pump. Yep, right, You and I

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Speaker 2: feel it, All of us feel it, as well as

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Speaker 2: the amount of lives and infrastructure and and uh that

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Speaker 2: are being last year that this is so so there

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Speaker 2: is that at this at that entertaining part, but the

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Speaker 2: cost of it is high, and you're going to be

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Speaker 2: picking up the pieces for a long time.

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Speaker 1: One. That's one thing to be giggling at the at

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Speaker 1: the lego parody movies Iran is putting out. It's another

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Speaker 1: thing to be crying when I go put in petrol

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Speaker 1: later today, Donovanie Williams, International Relations, and lest really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time