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Speaker 1: It is time for our quarterly home improvement segment and

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Speaker 1: the questions are already coming in on the WhatsApp line.

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Speaker 1: So I am delighted to have Angela de Ambrosia with

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Speaker 1: us in studio from ipmt Remedia Building Consultants, and he

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Speaker 1: will be tackling those general questions after the two thirty

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Speaker 1: news headlines. We are first going to do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of specialist information on lighting and home lighting issues.

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Speaker 1: So to Colleen, to Rachel, to Anita and others, I

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Speaker 1: see your messages, I am keeping them aside and just

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Speaker 1: bear with us while we do some lighting stuff first,

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Speaker 1: and then I promise we will get to them. Angela, firstly,

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Speaker 1: love you to have you back with us, first time

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Speaker 1: this year and always welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course to those who haven't yet sent

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Speaker 1: their questions and I not trying to remember how you

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Speaker 1: do that. You can email them to me on pipah

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Speaker 1: at cape talk dot co dot z, or you can

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Speaker 1: send a WhatsApp to seven to five six seven one

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Speaker 1: five six seven. And then let me welcome our second

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Speaker 1: guest today, when Roberts is the managing director of Lights

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Speaker 1: by Linear which is a company he started from the

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Speaker 1: boot of a car, I'm told back in nineteen nine.

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Speaker 1: Today it's a fully functioning lighting consultancy. It offers decorative

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Speaker 1: and architectural lighting services across the country for everything from

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Speaker 1: domestic homes to retail and commercial spaces. They now have

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Speaker 1: a showroom in pardon A Lanes and it's all about

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Speaker 1: helping you find the right lighting solution to meet your needs,

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Speaker 1: not just from what looks good an aesthetic perspective, but

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Speaker 1: from energy saving perspective and what is going to work

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Speaker 1: most functionally in your space. When it's great to have

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Speaker 1: you with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Welcome, Thank you very much, Prepa.

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Speaker 1: And before we take any questions, I want to know

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Speaker 1: more about the story of how you go from selling

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Speaker 1: stuff out of the boot of the car so having

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Speaker 1: your own showroom in partner airlines.

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Speaker 3: But it's been a long haul, but it was a

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Speaker 3: lot of fun. I think it was driven by ambition,

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Speaker 3: it was driven by a industry that is forever changing,

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Speaker 3: and it definitely doesn't it's not boring at all. And

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Speaker 3: as you believe you've got the better of it's something

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Speaker 3: new comes out product, the new energy efficient, the new technology,

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Speaker 3: and I don't believe that one can get by in

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Speaker 3: a single year without experiencing five different technical changes. Interesting,

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Speaker 3: and it's getting better. And we experienced from the normal

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Speaker 3: incandescent lights through to more commercially viable energy efficient lamps

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Speaker 3: all the way through to led now. And you know,

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Speaker 3: from those days using a commercial application fitting of one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight watts, we are down to the

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Speaker 3: more light output on thirty five or thirty two watts,

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Speaker 3: depending on the application. Commercial lights we're using one fifty.

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so energy efficiency, huge technological improvement. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm smiling while you're talking. I'm thinking back. You know,

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Speaker 1: you had one option lights which on a light switched off.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm thinking about the O just the little

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Speaker 1: cool light. What sort of ambiance do you want in

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Speaker 1: the room. The color of the light can be changed,

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Speaker 1: so much has changed so rapidly, when I mean it must,

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Speaker 1: as you say, never a dull day in this industry,

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Speaker 1: and underlas maing in agreement.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know how big the brute of

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about some of the sort of

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Speaker 1: the big things to consider for somebody who is designing

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Speaker 2: This, Papa.

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Speaker 3: It is one of the industries in the building industry

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Speaker 3: For example, at one meter centers you've got a picture

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Speaker 3: the fittings are oppositioned, how the fittings are positioned over

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Speaker 3: because there is no manual for lighting. Yes, you've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think volume also plays a large the volume

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Speaker 2: So look at me, for example, with my glasses. I've

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Speaker 2: You can end up with all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: You don't just walk into the shop and choose the

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Speaker 1: remedial building practice. So you see, you come in to

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Speaker 2: Are the first things? Right? People, you walk in and

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Speaker 2: So as Wayne's saying, you know, it's planning is essential.

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Speaker 2: The switching people chase into the wall. So chasing is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Wayne, I mean, what would you add to

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Speaker 3: But if I can say, a lot of the incorrect

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Speaker 1: But it's it's purely advised.

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Speaker 3: That's the best way.

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Speaker 2: I say you remember how many times we had those

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Speaker 1: Somewhere, pennywise and put foolish the solution that doesn't actually work. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Stewart making an interesting comment about people being needing to

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Speaker 1: be more aware of compliance laws, particularly when it comes

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Speaker 1: people ask for chandeliers to be installed over bathtubs and

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Speaker 1: Does that happen a lot?

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Speaker 2: So compliance? Can we talk about compliance? I know someone

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Speaker 2: And guess what the electrician said, Sorry, mate.

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Speaker 1: Can't sign all.

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Speaker 2: I can't do this for you. It's not compliant. So

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Speaker 2: at least the electrician was good there and electricians stuck

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Speaker 2: compliancy and it's there for specific reason and not just

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Speaker 2: know what happens if you're not compliant no insurance, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Don't get the electrical certificate side. Good luck trying to

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Speaker 1: sell ours without that as well. Yeah, why would you

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Speaker 3: Our industry, this is how important the compliance is. Our

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Speaker 3: industry closes down in December, building holidays and tiles, paint, hinges, doors,

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Speaker 3: you name it. That's when the various market building markets

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Speaker 3: you get primary and secondary. Your primary is where your

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Speaker 3: secondary is where it goes. If you install anything that's

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Speaker 3: whether it's that the insurance doesn't cover it, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: The compliancy is is really important across the board. And

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Speaker 3: play your cards right, you might get a little tequila.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great. I'll be visiting soon.

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Speaker 3: Websites directors dot do w W dot lights by Linear Dot.

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Speaker 1: And that's spelled l i n e A so correct.

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Speaker 1: Lights by Linear Dot co dot. Wayne Roberts is their

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Speaker 1: managing director. Thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you with us