1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,239 Speaker 1: Lunch with Cooper Hudson on Cape Talk. Join the conversation. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: All right, We're going to start the week in conversation 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: about a show which you might have heard about already. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: You're possibly even seen already, because it has been doing 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: the rounds of smaller theater venues around Cape Ton for 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: quite some time already. And if you have already seen it, 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: I hope you'll tell us what you thought and what 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: the highlights were for you. The good news, though, is 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: that it's finally getting an outing at one of our 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: major theater centers later this week. And I think this 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: one deserves a little bit of a musical intro to 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: set the scene. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Johnny Cash. I hear the trainer coming. It's 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: rolling around a pin and I seen the sunshine. Since 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't know where I'm stuck in polls in prisons, 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: and time keeps drag and all that a train keeps 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: her rolling on down the sun and all. When I 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: was just a baby, my mama told me son, always 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: be a good boy, don't ever play with guns. But 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: I shot a man and Reno just to watch him lie. 21 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: When I hear that it was all blowing, I hing 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: my head and cry. 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you know you're Johnny Cash, you will 24 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: instantly recognize that as the live recording of Fulsome Prison 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Blues sung at Fulsome Prison itself in nineteen sixty eight 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: and absolute extraordinary musical event. And it's one of Johnny 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Cash's signature tracks. The recording of the inmates responding to 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: it is kind of the stuff of legends, much like 29 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: the man himself. And I'm delighted to introduce you to 30 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: a show that tells his story called Sin and Salvation, 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: the Story of Johnny Cash. Now I'd open at the 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Baxter Studio space on Wednesday this week and it's a 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: huge pleasure to have the two leads with us in 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: studio today, Jamie du but it plays the role of 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: the man in Black himself, Sarah MacArthur takes on the 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: role of his wife, June Carter Cash and welcome. Great 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: to have you both with us exactly, And I'm so 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: excited that I'm finally get to see the show this 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: weekend because I've been trying to get to see it 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: for over a year now. In fact, before we talk 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: about Johnny and June, let's just talk about the origin 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: story of this show. Because it sprang to life back 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four already, Jamie, were you involved in 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: the initial creation of it? 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I well, I had this idea, I've had it 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: for many years and of doing a Johnny Cash show. 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: And I did do a one man show just once 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: at a place in Durbanville many years ago. And I 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: love you, and I'll be playing music with Johnny Blundell 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: for many years and doing collaborations with him. So one 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: day we had a recording session together. It was for 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: some library music we were doing, and I mentioned this, Oh, 53 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: this is important. Somebody the day before asked me if 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: I would do an Elvis tribute and I said, I'll 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: sleep on it. So I slept on it and I 56 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: woke up and I thought, no, I really need to 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: do a Johnny Cash tribute, and so I mentioned to 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: Johnny and our recording session ended up being a whole 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: who are talk about Johnny Cash? And yeah, we said 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: let's do this thing, and yeah, we never looked back a. 61 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Tribute to Johnny Cash. But this is not a tribute show, 62 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: and I want to just emphasize that up front, Sarah. 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, some listening might be going well, what's 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: the difference. Do you want to explain what you mean 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: by saying that. 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's more musical theater, I think, than tribute. 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: Like you said, it's in tribute to the man, but 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: nothing like you've seen on stage if you go and 69 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: watch the usual kind of tribute show. We all stand 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: at our microphones, but we play all the characters, we 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: do all the voices, We speak to each other, we 72 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: interact with each other like in theater. On stage, we 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: talk to the audience and full in not just the 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 4: story of his origins all the way up until his 75 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: passing and his rick Rubin years, but more like connecting 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: with the audience on the man and what made him 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: so human and so real. 78 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: So it's actors singing rather than singers acting if I 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: can act. 80 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: Okay, yes. And also there's a kind of soundscape that 81 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: goes in between as well, which is really beautiful. Yeah, 82 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: which so yeah, so it's really quite multimedia actually Okay. 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, you've been touring with the show 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: for quite a while already. I think it's over a year. 85 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: You've been playing places like the Drama Factory and Strand 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: and the el mcafe and Rose back at the sort 87 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: of the smaller venues, and I've been just infuriated because 88 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: every time I've seen it, Yeah, there's a new venue, 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and see it there, and then 90 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: I've had some on every time. So I'm going to 91 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: see it for the first time this coming weekend at 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: the Backster. But Jamie, I mean the response from the 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: audience to the show, and how has that response changed 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: the show, if at all, as you've sort of almost 95 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: workshopped towards this point to bring it to the Backster. 96 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, with any show, one tweaks 97 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: things and works things. The audience response has been pretty 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: brilliant from the from the day get go, and yeah, 99 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: we've definitely, yeah, we've had a couple of tweaks, but 100 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: and it's so interesting. You know, things that we thought 101 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: we're going to be funny are taken very seriously and 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: vice versus some things that are you know, you know 103 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's and it changes from from show to 104 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: show from the audience audience. 105 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, do let us put a lot of pressure on 106 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: you as the performers, Sarah, because if the punchline of 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: the joke lands and people take it very seriously, you've 108 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: got it, then how you go forward with the next 109 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: sort of beat must be quite a trick. 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: I think we've played together for so long and we 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: know each other so well that there's a really great 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: chemistry between all of us on stage, and we've learned 113 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: to kind of roll with things. And that's the beautiful 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 4: thing about theater, is the spontaneous give and take. 115 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and. 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: You know, staying in character, you know, I think that 117 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: is also where we different to a lot of the 118 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: tribute shows. We are in character from the beginning to 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: the end. And if we can play with that as well. 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: You know, if something goes wrong, Johnny Cash is going to. 121 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: It's going to respond to Johnny Cash. 122 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: You know. 123 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: So how well did you know Johnny Cash? I mean 124 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: the fact that somebody said to you do an Elvis 125 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: tribute and you went to bed and work up and said, no, 126 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: I'd rather do Johnny Cash tells me you obviously knew 127 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: the man knew the music. Is that a lifelong relationship? 128 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely? When I was seven years old, I went to 129 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: a school Fate and I saw a record Johnny Cash 130 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: in his Hot and blue guitar and bought it for 131 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: two rund and took it home and played that thing 132 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: every day after school. So a seed was planted back then, 133 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: and then, you know, decades past it, I hardly ever 134 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: listened to him, and but there was always this this. 135 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you do hear him if you go to 136 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: a foodie market or or you know, on the radio, 137 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: you hear him, and it's I've always thought the sound 138 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: of Johnny Cash is almost like like like the smell 139 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: of home baked bread. You know, it's kind of very heartwarming, 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: and it just kind of it's it's it's it's it's authentic, 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: and I think that's what people respond love that. 142 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Bit of synesthesia going on there, the smell of home 143 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: breaked bread associated with the sound of Johnny Cash. Sarah, 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: what about you, I mean, how early on in life 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: did you discover his sound and his music. 146 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: I probably got into his music in the with the 147 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: Rek rub and stuff. 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 6: It was his later producer, right, yes, yes, and a 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 6: lot of what he did was together they re recorded 150 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: contemporary music that's sort of my generation, I mean, sort 151 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 6: of in my mid forties now grew up listening to. 152 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: But it was really wonderful to rediscover the old stuff. 153 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: And I think, no matter what era in his music 154 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: you're listening to, it just speaks to you because it's 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: so authentic and honest. 156 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean Jamie he started out as very 157 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: much I mean, I know it was a gospel influence 158 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: early on and sort of initially found his footing as 159 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: a country artist. But he grew into something that didn't 160 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: sit neatly within the country box necessarily did it. 161 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely. His his cohorts were they were like mechanics basically, 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: and they became his musicians. And yeah, I mean it's 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: been said that the limitations in their music was actually 164 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: a strength and they created this UK rhythm and which 165 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: has been hugely influenced, influential in popular music. 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 7: You know. 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: I think I think people like chet chet Atkins were 168 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: was influenced by that sound, and he's influenced many guitar players, 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: you know. And then the voice. I mean, it's just 170 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: it's a mistake. 171 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeh known as the Man in black because he always 172 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: performed in black clothes, and I mean, Sarah, I don't 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: know if you guys pick up. I've heard the legends 174 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: say that that the reason he wore black clothes on 175 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: stage wasn't about creating an image. It was because it 176 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: was the easiest thing to take on tour because it 177 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: didn't show stains and you didn't have to do laundry 178 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: as often. I don't know whether that's true or not, 179 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: whether that's believable. 180 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: You know, there's been times en I've said, I thought, 181 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: you know, my shirt's a bit creased, and then the 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: rest of the band said, no, that's fine, because yeah, so. 183 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: But he sings about that in that song Man in Black, 184 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: about this sort of symbolic meaning. 185 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: But actually yeah, but actually, I mean wearing black is 186 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: is in solidarity with with with the downhearted and the 187 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: broken down, Yeah, the marginalized people. 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean. 189 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: He came for those who don't know the backstory. And 190 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to share too much of the story 191 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: because I want listeners to go and see the show 192 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: and learn it for themselves if they don't know it. 193 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: But from a very very humble beginning, literally a boy 194 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: who was picking cotton in the fields with his family 195 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: to help the family put food on the table in 196 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: his younger years, I mean, it must have been almost 197 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: unimaginable to aspire to where his career went from there. 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: But as you said, obviously left him with a very 199 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: strong sense of justice and heartful for the little man 200 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: and for the man on the street and for the 201 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: men in prison, for Native Americans. There were so many issues. 202 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: He he was not scared to step away from here. 203 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, Okay, just for anybody who's coming in 204 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: midway to this conversation with me in studio Sarah MacArthur 205 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: and Jamie Jubiter who play June Kara Cash and Johnny 206 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Cash in Sinnel and Salvation, the Story of Johnny Cash, 207 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: which is going to open at the Baxter Studio this Wednesday, 208 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: and the run is until the twenty eighth, so it's 209 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: a relatively short run until Saturday, with evening performances as 210 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: well as a matinee on Saturday afternoon. I mean, how 211 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: exciting is it for you guys to be in the 212 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: Baxter after more than a year of playing to very 213 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: enthusiastic lovely theater spaces but very small theater spaces, to 214 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: get the stamp of sort of significance of being at 215 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: the Baxter. What does that mean to you all? 216 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: Jamie, Yeah, the Baxter's legendary, and this connection with UCT 217 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: as well is legendary as well, and it's yeah, I 218 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: mean I grew up in theater. My father actually worked 219 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: for KPE, so there was more artscape side, but the 220 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: Baxter Yeah, I mean those orange domes outside, it's iconic. 221 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, I've seen so many amazing, such amazing theater 222 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: ethel few god yeah pieces and all kinds of amazing 223 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: South African theater. So yeah, it's wonderful to be a 224 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: part of that. 225 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: I think we're also so excited because we've seen this 226 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 4: as a piece of theater from the beginning, and so 227 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: it kind of feels like the show is finding it's 228 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 4: true home. 229 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a lot of lovely way of putting it, 230 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: and again emphasizes what we said at the start that 231 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: this is a musical theater piece. It's not a bunch 232 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: of musicians standing up in stage covering Johnny Cash songs. 233 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: It's very much more a work of the storytelling of 234 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: his life, of the development of his career. And also 235 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: we'll have to touch on the fact that that it 236 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: was not an easy life even after he made it big. 237 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: I mean, Jamie, substance abuse, alcoholism, something you've got, you've 238 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: got to include in any Johnny casht. 239 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: No, absolutely no, definitely took its toll and it also, Yeah, 240 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, it kind of played a part half 241 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: half played a part in his in his notoriety and 242 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: almost appeal. But you know, I'm not I'm not promoting 243 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: in that kind of behavior. 244 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: But such a thing as bad preser such a influenced 245 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: the music he was creating. 246 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the and the pendulum swings from from from 247 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: being quite a badass guy to to being quite a 248 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: Christian as well, and so yeah, interesting. 249 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: So of course, Sarah, you've got you've got to claim 250 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: some of the credit for that. In the role of 251 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: June Carter Cash and anybody who watched the movie Walk 252 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: the Line will have some idea of the importance of 253 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: that relationship and how much she meant to him and 254 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: how much she did to try and hold him walking 255 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the Line. I've never forgotten the fact that they passed 256 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: away with in months of each other. Yeah, absolute soul mates. 257 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: So I mean, as much as it is the story 258 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: of Johnny Cash, her story is inextricably interwoven with that, is. 259 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: It really is? 260 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think watching their connectivity and their connection you know, 261 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: both in like, I also love that film, but in 262 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: the way kind of we portray it on stage watching 263 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: that grow has been really special. And if you go 264 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: and you listen to all of those original Johnny Cash recordings, 265 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: June's there. You can hear her playing her auto harp 266 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: in the background, she can hear her harmony. Sometimes I 267 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: just think it's such a beautiful story of soulmates supporting 268 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: soul mates. 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: What instruments do you guys play on stage? 270 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: A lot? 271 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: Sarah plays a lot. 272 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 7: For the show. 273 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I play guitar and harmonica. But yeah, but Sarah, Yeah, 274 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: she plays auto harp and guitar and keyboard. 275 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 4: Keyboards, And I learned to play the snare for the show. 276 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: And then Johnny Blunder plays many guitars and pedals, and 277 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: Dan Franks is on double bass and effects. 278 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, so four of them on stage creating 279 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: the magic and the mystery and the story of Johnny Cash. Yeah, Kim, 280 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you sent this message because it touches 281 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: on the fact that he kept on innovating and trying 282 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: and playing in new spaces even much much later in life. 283 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Kim has written in to say how much she loves 284 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: his version of Hurt by nine inch Nails, such a 285 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: powerful and haunting song. And I bet there are at 286 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: least a few people going, what's Johnny Cash doing covering 287 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: nine inch nails? But you would have thought it would 288 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: be the other way around, but it is. I agree 289 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: with you, Kim. It's absolutely spine chilling that version. And 290 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I love that that he kept on being open to 291 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: new influences and new sounds and trying and playing in 292 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: new new musical spaces right up up till the very end. 293 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: Now we want to have just a minute or two 294 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: to play a little bit of the cast recording of 295 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: one of his tracks, So I'm going to park the 296 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: conversation there and let the music do the rest of 297 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: the talking for us. Other than to mention that if 298 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: you want to catch the show at the Baxter Studio, 299 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: it opens on when You've got evening performances at eight 300 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: pm and a Saturday matinee at three pm on the 301 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, which is the final day of the run, 302 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: and the booking platform is web tickets, with pricing starting 303 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: from one hundred and eighty round ahead. I'm so excited 304 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: to come and see it this weekend, guys. Looking forward 305 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: to seeing you both on stage, and thank you for 306 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: making the effort to come and step into our freezer 307 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: of a studio this afternoon. I'm to tell us about 308 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the show and looking forward to seeing it on stage. 309 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having us. 310 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: It's a correct pleasure. It's called Sin and Salvation, the 311 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: Story of Johnny Cash. You've been listening to Jamie Jupiter 312 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: and Sarah MacArthur, and this is the cast recording of 313 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: God's Gonna Cut You Down. 314 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 7: You can run on for a long time, run on 315 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 7: for a long time, run on for a long time. 316 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 3: Sooner, old lady. 317 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 7: To gobble, cut you down. Sooner, old lady to garden 318 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 7: cut you down. Go and tell that long time liar. 319 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 7: Go and tell that midnight rider, Tell the rambler, the gambler, 320 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 7: the backbider. 321 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 5: Tell him that God's gonna cut him down. Tell him 322 00:17:39,119 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 5: that God's gonna cut him down. Well, people's gracious, let 323 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 5: me tell you the news. 324 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 7: My head's green went with the midnight you. I've been 325 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 7: down on bed and knee talking to. 326 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: The man from Galilee. He spoke to me with a 327 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: voice so sweet I thought I heard the shuffle of 328 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: the angel's feet. He can't my name. My heart stood 329 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: still when he said, John. 330 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 7: Go do your will. Go and tell that long tongue 331 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 7: lyle go and tell that midnight rider, Tell the reveler, 332 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 7: the yelller, the backpider. 333 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 5: Tell him that God's gonna cut you down, Tell him. 334 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: That God's going Just a snippet there, the wonderful deep voice, 335 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: the twang of those instruments is such an unmistakable sound. 336 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to hearing how the cast recreated 337 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: on stage. So there was a snippet of the cast 338 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: recording from the show. It's called It's a in Salvation, 339 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: The Story of Johnny Cash.