1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manya Tela on seven o two. Let's 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: walk the talk streaming on the Prime Media Plus. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Ad DearS TV channel eight five six ninety two point 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: seven and one o six. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: Them seven minutes after nine o'clock. Du Melan, Welcome to 6 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: the Wednesday edison of the Clement Maddie Major Manya Tela Show. 7 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: It's wonderful to have you with us here on seven 8 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: oh two. I trust you good this morning. The seven 9 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 3: oh two open line starts right now on oh one 10 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: one eight eight three. 11 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Oh seven oh two. 12 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: You can send your WhatsApps on oh seven two seven 13 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: oh two one seven o two. How are you feeling 14 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: about government's intervention regarding the fuel price? Yesterday Treasury announced 15 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: that it will temporarily slash the general fuel levy, so 16 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: it will be reduced by three rands a litter between 17 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: today and the fifth of May. So this reduces the 18 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: full levee for petrol from four and ten cents perlitter 19 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: to one brand ten cents per polita. It reduces the 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: fuel levy for diesel from three rand ninety three cents 21 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: polita to about ninety three cents polita. This is only 22 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: for a month, but then again, the cost of paraffine 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: is expected to double, which is rarely a blow for 24 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: millions of South Africans who need it for cooking, for heating, 25 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: for lighting, you name it. That's now going to cost 26 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: twenty four rant twenty one cents a litter in crowding. 27 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: I mean it even overtakes the price of ninety five 28 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: grade unleaded petrol. So while we fully appreciate this relief, 29 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: government is announced for motorists and public transport users, which 30 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: helps in avoiding hikes in the price of food or 31 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: other commodities. In avoiding those steep hikes because I think 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: the hikes are possibly still going to be there. While 33 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: that helps, please spare thought for millions of South Africans 34 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: who will still need to fork out about eleven rands 35 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: more for a litter of eliminating paraffin. You're welcome to 36 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: share your thoughts with us as well. By the way, 37 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: on any breakfast this morning they spoke to I think 38 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: it's the DDG at the Energy Department, and I just 39 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: want you to hear how they explained and justified why 40 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 3: this price of paraffine. Really they can't necessarily intervene because 41 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: they're dealing now with a fuel levee and paraffine is 42 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: not attached to a levee. Listen to the DDG at 43 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: the Department of Mineral Energy and Mineral Resources, mister Siliso 44 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: Macubela and how he explained. 45 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 4: It, Deputy Director concerned. 46 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 5: They're from units about the eleven round sixty seven cents 47 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: in terms of paraffin, and especially you know, the poorest 48 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 5: of the poor being hit by this, and especially them 49 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 5: using going in a month or two we'll be sitting 50 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 5: in the middle of winter and they use this for heating, 51 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 5: so it's going to be quite costly for them. 52 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: Yes, no, this one is a bit of a challenge, 53 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: intracted to a major challenge. So let me just explain 54 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: why paraffine has gone up this much. Paraffine and jet 55 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: fuel chemicalie, they are the same. Only difference is that 56 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: one has got less moisture than the other. 57 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 6: Because of you know, at higher altitude we. 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: Don't want any freezing. 59 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: So when the war. 60 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: Started, the first casualty in terms of refined product was 61 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: jetuar one. 62 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: There was a shortage of. 63 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: It because most of it comes from the Middle East globally, 64 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: so that's why all the airlines have increased their prices 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: because or most airlines have interest prices because the jetual 66 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 2: price went up close to one hundred percent in one month. 67 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: Now equally, then paraffine has suffered the same fate. Now, 68 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: what government had done before was to remove all the 69 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: texas in paraffine. This was now in the you know, 70 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: mid two thousands. All the text is were removed, so 71 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: there is no text to remove on the price of paraffin. 72 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: So all that is there is the actual cost as 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: well as they just a bit of transport. So there's 74 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: not no text at all on paraffin. So we can't 75 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: even provide any relief. So what we have been tusked 76 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: with now we need to find a way and we 77 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: really are scratching our heads, say, but how do we 78 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: do this in a transparent way that will not benefit 79 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: anyone company? And that, I think is what we're challenged with. 80 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: Think. 81 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the digit at the Department of Energy 82 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: explaining that because some people were concerned that shore that's 83 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: reliefous grade for motorists, for public transport users. And of 84 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: course it helps because it have always like really steep 85 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: increases in the price of food and other commodities. But 86 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: what about millions of people who rely on power off fine, 87 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: so you can share your thoughts on that as well. 88 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: On one eighty three h seven or two. What do 89 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: you make of Helen Zilla's Johannesbeg mayoral campaign messaging because 90 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: it's been rather interesting and I wonder what your thoughts 91 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: are from what you've observed so far, because I think 92 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: what they're trying to do with their campaign is get 93 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: to the heart of young voters, at least I think, 94 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: so let me know what you think. You know, the 95 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: tactics for lack of a better word, that Zilla's campaign 96 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 3: employs often go viral. They're also funny, but they raise 97 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: much bigger issues, issues that Johannes Big residents have been 98 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: faced with for a while now. So targeting this young 99 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: generation makes sense, at least to me, because young people 100 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: are the ones that are going to define the upcoming 101 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 3: elections if we get them to register to vote, because 102 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: they're me millions of them out there who are eligible 103 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: to vote who haven't registered yet. 104 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: So I would like to. 105 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: Know from you if you relate with Helen Zilla's campaign 106 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: or do you think and look at what she does 107 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: as gimmicks. Here's what she's done recently. As you may 108 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: have seen on social media in the news as well, 109 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 3: there's a pothole or a water league in douglas Dale 110 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: that had reportedly been there for over three years now 111 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: and it's now been fixed thanks to her intervention. It 112 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 3: was fixed shortly after she Helen Zilla visited the site 113 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: and filmed a viral video of herself swimming in it. 114 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: She literally had swimming costume, she had swimming swimming cap, snuckles, goggles, 115 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: and she was swimming in this porthole. And that video 116 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: quickly spread online, drawing their attention to the issue, and 117 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: within a short space of time the porthole was repaired. 118 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: I mean really have to take that video by go 119 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: go Zille for the city of Johannesburg to spare up 120 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: its efforts and go fix this which has been a 121 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: problem for that community for a while now. So are 122 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: you moved by these kind of political tactics if you will, 123 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: would something like this push you to vote differently or 124 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: do you focus on other things like long term service 125 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: delivery policy, Maybe just track record what actually influences your vote. 126 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: Let me know your thoughts on that as well. 127 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 7: Clement Manya Tela streaming on the Prime Media plus ad. 128 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: Dear TV Channel eight ninety two point seven and one 129 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: six at them. 130 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 7: Hi Clement, I hear the minister and uhy, paraffine has 131 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 7: not gone down, but they can still intervene by subsidizing 132 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 7: it because the most who are who are the affected 133 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 7: when it comes to things like paraffine, So they can 134 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 7: subsidize it and also get it down, so they cannot 135 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 7: say they cannot intervene because it doesn't have a levy. 136 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 7: They can subsidize. 137 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 8: Play me Mormon flourishes of a bust from the Western 138 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 8: Play me, you're talking straight to my heart. Do you 139 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 8: know what I spoke with my wife Larsan, and I 140 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 8: said to her. 141 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: These poor people always get talked of. 142 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 8: And after thought, eleven ran something for paraffine, and. 143 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: This is the people's livelihoods. 144 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 8: I am willing to throw in one little less a 145 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 8: patrol in the night. The twenty three ran to someone 146 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 8: who uses paraffine. At least that person will have two 147 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 8: liters of paraffine. This is really sad is we're talking 148 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 8: about Ubuntu and this is how we treated the poorest 149 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 8: of the poor. 150 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: And you your station, your open line mouth, it's all 151 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: I'm seven eighteen. 152 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 9: Hi, Clement, this is Cynthia Helen Zillah. He's demonstrating, unfortunately, 153 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 9: very vividly with these ponytail stuff and that you're calling 154 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 9: the pr machine. She is demonstrating what can be done 155 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 9: if people are just willing to do their jobs. She 156 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 9: is holding people to account, but she's doing it physically, 157 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 9: and it gives me such a fright. 158 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: I never know whether she's going to fall into. 159 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 10: Those potholes, into a sinkhole and never emerge again, all 160 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 10: for the love of Johannesburg and showing people it can 161 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 10: be done. Look at Dada Marrero in two minutes, he 162 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 10: had the place fixed up. That is shows just accountability, 163 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 10: but unfortunately for her, she has to demonstrate it. 164 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 11: Good morning, Clement, this is not here. I think Helen's 165 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 11: the last campaign is just dating the obvious. I mean, 166 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 11: in our communities, we've got portals that are over four 167 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 11: years and we've reported, we've reported. 168 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 4: And nothing gets done. 169 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 12: So I mean, if it takes hair to swim in 170 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 12: it for them to fix it out, love to invite 171 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 12: it to come and swim by the one that's near 172 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 12: at least because I need to get fixed. I mean, 173 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 12: the city doesn't fix anything you report and they give 174 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 12: you any reference number, and some of them drive in 175 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 12: the same road. So I think she's just dating what 176 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 12: we're all consent about, just the simple fixed the portals. 177 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Gogo Zilla, please come swim in the portals 178 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: in our areas. Hey, maybe we should start like a hashtag, 179 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: like hashtag go Gozilla, come the side, and you take 180 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: a picture of a pothole in your area and you 181 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: just hashtag you give give her the street name. She's 182 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: ready with her swimming costume. Give her the street name 183 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: and hashtag go Gozilla, come this side. And if she 184 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: comes swims in your porthole in that water league, whatever 185 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: it is that you have faced in your community for 186 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: so long and the city has not been proactive enough 187 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: to fix it, I bet you they will come running. 188 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, johannesburg Meyer went to where Helen Zilla was swimming. 189 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: Huh. 190 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: Is that how we're going to get the city to 191 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: be spared to action. It's quite sad. But whether you 192 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: like her or you hate her, this campaign that she's running, 193 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: this Pierre Machinery mingle that they've taken with their campaign, 194 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: seems to be hitting at the hearts of people who 195 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: are really really frustrated. And I think it's also those 196 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: young people that she's trying to get to, because I 197 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: believe right when you look at the numbers, if we 198 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: get young people to come out in their numbers to vote, 199 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: those are the people that are going to define the 200 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: upcoming elections. Martin, you are calling us from Shiauelo and 201 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: so wait to good. 202 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 13: Morning morning monitorment. I concare with Feler and exposing the 203 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 13: failure of the clinational Congress to braint service to us 204 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 13: for the past thirty two years. I really support Helene. 205 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 13: You know I'm residing in still a drama postat in 206 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 13: your eleven Shawerlo. They're the project which was initiated in 207 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 13: twenty twenty two. Railway readil wrote wrote transport it. They 208 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 13: spend up on taking it on rent to to if 209 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 13: I be a road next today railway line. You know yeah, 210 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 13: you can go to shower station, Clement. You'll see me 211 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 13: rus there is the actually it's well head and videos 212 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 13: was to the swimming on Saturday. That's altoly so used. 213 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 13: They dig the road and left it that I went 214 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 13: to the counsellor and compared to the counseller trying to 215 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 13: find answers, why taking their rank and we spend to 216 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 13: the road which is already there contracted by the pre 217 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 13: pre previous reaching they did that ro that when it's 218 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 13: framing their people, you cannot talk to the to to 219 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 13: to the trend tolement. People who are selling vegetables there, 220 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 13: they cannot sell well that that water, that flooding water, 221 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 13: but it's down it's downstream. That's the water coming from 222 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 13: not so or not way too. If people are selling 223 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 13: there their products there, they chat yeah and taking their 224 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 13: rank German, then there's no use. Who said you's being 225 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 13: at accountable? 226 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need that accountability Martin. It cannot be that 227 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: you've got so much money that spent and you don't 228 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: see the actual work. So are you convinced by these 229 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: tactics for lack of a better word, employed by Helen 230 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: Zilla's campaign. Do you call them gimmicks that have no relevance, 231 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: You don't relate to them, they have no tangible results. Well, 232 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: some would argue that they do have tangible results because 233 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: the city seems to be acting first whatever go Gozilla 234 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: has passed, you know where she has done these videos 235 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: to showcase just the lack of service delivery or just 236 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: how deteriorating certain parts of the city are. They seem 237 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: to be acting quickly to try and fix that, and 238 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: hence I'm saying, maybe what we need is to get 239 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: go Gozilla to come to our communities where we are 240 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: dealing with potholes that have not been fixed for a while. 241 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: Come so in them Gogozille, and hopefully, because it really 242 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: seems like that's what really gets the city to respond, 243 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: hopefully they'll come and fix it, eh. 244 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 11: Mister Manattel. 245 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 14: What I can say about the Helen Zilla video and 246 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 14: the response it got from the Johannesbeg government is that 247 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 14: they can fix the city. 248 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: They just don't care. 249 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: Thank you, Good morning, Clement. 250 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 15: Based on what the DA has been doing in Western Cape, 251 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 15: calling the Eastern Cape people refugees and all of that, 252 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 15: that is the mindset from Hellen Zil. Then secondly, she 253 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 15: can do whatever she wants. The fact is they only 254 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 15: use black people as pedestals. If the DA can say 255 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 15: whenever they win any municipality, they must right now state 256 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 15: under their own oath that because black people are the 257 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 15: majority in this country, the leadership of those municipalities executive 258 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 15: team will have a minimum of sixty percent black people, 259 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 15: then I may consider even thinking of them. Otherwise they 260 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 15: just use black people as pedestals to get to the 261 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 15: municipality and after that it is all white executives that 262 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 15: cannot stand. 263 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 16: Thank you, good morning, Clement. Let'sus take you from the 264 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 16: East End. Well, I guess the campaign is effective. However, 265 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 16: for me personally, for as long as the DA does 266 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 16: not take seriously the raised question in South Africa and 267 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 16: does not take social justice seriously here in South Africa, 268 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 16: I'll never vote for them. Clement, most in my money, 269 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 16: tried to confront this question when he was in a 270 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 16: leadership position in the DEA. But instead of the DA 271 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 16: taking this question and actually internalizing it, they decided to 272 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 16: take him out. So they should really consider and really 273 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 16: think about these things. Thank you, Clement. 274 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: So what is it then that that matters more to you? 275 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: And I know we've had a bit of this conversation 276 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: in the past when when Helen Zilla entered the race, 277 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: Because what I picked up on the open line when 278 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: people were calling in is that there are people that 279 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: don't necessarily like Helen Zilla. The people who don't necessarily 280 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 3: like her, but who are calling and saying to be honest, 281 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: with you. Ideological differences are not my priority right now. 282 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 3: What I care about in my city, in my area 283 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: a service delivery. I care about that more than the 284 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 3: ideological differences I have with Helen Zillah. Which is why 285 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: even people who are calling in when we discussed Helen 286 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: Zilla's campaign, when she announced that she's going to run 287 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: for mayor of Johannesbeck, there are people who called who said, 288 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: at national level they vote for the A and C, 289 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: but in their own little suburbs and communities they vote 290 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: for DA councilors because they have seen them in some 291 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 3: of those areas. Respond well, is that what's been your experience? 292 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 3: And of course you know people in Hamanskraal may have 293 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: different different experience. There are people in other areas we've 294 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: got DA councilors that may not necessarily be satisfied. But 295 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to get to is what is of 296 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: priority to you right now? 297 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: Huh. 298 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: When we talk about local government elections, people say, yeah, 299 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 3: it's bread and butter issue is its issues of service delivery. 300 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: I actually think given with national elections, I think we're 301 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 3: naive to think that, Oh, people at national elections think 302 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 3: about policy issues, not really in fact, a lot of 303 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: people have not even read and understood fully the complement 304 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 3: of policies of each political parties or the political parties 305 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: they vote for. What they judge that party against? Is 306 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: their service delivery? What is their delivery record? How am 307 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: I being affected in my community? So is it ideological differences? 308 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: Is it what the party truly believes at policy level, 309 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: what's at the heart of its policy? Or when you 310 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: look at local government elections, you think about who's delivering 311 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: and who's not, and that's what guides your conscience and 312 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: your vote. Your calls after the latest and eyewitness news 313 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: headlines on on one eighty three seven two, you can 314 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: send your WhatsApps as well oh seven two, seven oh 315 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: two one seven o two, your voice, your. 316 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: Station, your olten line walk at all with clements. 317 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: On seven oteen twenty five minutes before ten outlock. This 318 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: is the seven o two open line. I've been asking 319 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: you about how you feel about government's intervention regarding the 320 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 3: fuel price. Yesterday, Treasury announced that it will temporarily slash 321 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: the general fuel levy, so it will be reduced by 322 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: three rants polita between today and the fifth of May. 323 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: So this reduces it to what the levee four petrol 324 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: from four end ten cents polita to about a one 325 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: rand tensence perlita. But then, while we appreciate this relief 326 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: that government has announced for motorists and public transport users 327 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: which helps avoid hikes in the price of food and 328 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: other commodities, please spare a thought for millions of South 329 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: Africans who will still need to fork out about eleven 330 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: rands more a litter for illumini eating paraffin. And some 331 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: of you are responding to that on the what's up line? 332 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: On oh seven to seven or two and seven or 333 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: two I. 334 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 17: Came into regarding paraffine and the government intervening. We was 335 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 17: just remember that anything the government does now intervening giving 336 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 17: us cuts, we will pay for later and we will 337 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 17: play more later. 338 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: Anyway, Thanks Joe, humans morning. 339 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 18: Don't you just love it the way politicians say there's 340 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 18: nothing they can do. There's plenty you can do, or 341 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 18: unless they just can't think about it. Number one, you 342 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 18: must you can reduce the cost, the input cost to paraffine. 343 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 18: You can put a specific have private companies that are 344 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 18: making the paraffine or public companies that are making that 345 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 18: make sure that the profit margins are not quite high 346 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 18: on the sets a standard for that. But when politicians, 347 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 18: we've exhausted every exhausted every option, there's nothing we can do, 348 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 18: and you must know you giving up. 349 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 10: Open them your voice, your station, your under line both 350 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 10: to talk on seven. 351 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 19: Ten, good morning, Clement and the seven or two lenders. 352 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: We are not really moved by the gimmicks. 353 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 20: Of course, in Joanna's peg, hi, look where the is 354 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 20: governing and look where service delivery is being being done. 355 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 21: It the suburbs. That's why I also that portal was 356 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 21: in the suburbs. That's why she went there. There just 357 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 21: two places where the. 358 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 20: Poor live o kay Lita and the other. 359 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 4: Part where black people live. So won't go there in 360 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 4: Cape Town where they govern. 361 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 20: She has never done all these gimmies, so I not 362 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 20: really moved. 363 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 19: She's here to serve a rich modeling in the circubs 364 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 19: because they're paying related taxes. 365 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 22: Mon clerment. I think that DA is just transtanding and 366 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 22: playing to the crowd here and their glory. I think 367 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 22: because they've been running, there wasn't keeping and they keep 368 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 22: down for like more than fifteen years, almost twenty years. 369 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: So what did they do? 370 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 22: Because it's literally the same thing, and in my part, 371 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 22: I cannot just make a different. 372 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: I think it's just cranstanding on this one. 373 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 23: I clementec Yeah, what Zilla she's doing? We done that already, 374 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 23: we put I did even send you radio seven or two, 375 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 23: how bad it's a road in Orange Firm, but uh, 376 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 23: those you don't recommend. But because it's Helen Zilla, Yeah, 377 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 23: she's so special. 378 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: And then. 379 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 23: She can't get any vote because she's so special. I 380 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 23: even send you the road in Orange Firm, How bad 381 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 23: is it? It's a river, it's not a road. I 382 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 23: send ye it's yeah at radio seven or two, but 383 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 23: no one did even talk about it. I can resend 384 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 23: it again, thank you. 385 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: No, no, man like. That's not to say Zilla is 386 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: somehow special. By the way, hell's let him send us 387 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 3: any video, my brother, I don't remember the video you've said. 388 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: But there's so many things that gets. 389 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: Sen and and isn't that precisely the point? The point is, 390 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: as a citizen of Johanna's Bag, you have taken videos yourself, 391 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: You've posted them out there showing their river on your 392 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: street supposed to be a porthal, But as you say, 393 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 3: it's a river. 394 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: And nothing is being done. About that. 395 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: Until a politician like Helen Zilla comes and swims is 396 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: it in it and creates a video that goes viral. 397 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: I mean the mayor of Johanna's Bag even went to 398 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: this place that Helen Zilla was swimming at. 399 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 24: M hmm. 400 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean if that doesn't even give the DA political mileage, 401 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: I don't know what else will. It's like the houting, 402 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: was it the houting A and C that wanted to 403 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: get Helen Zilla's campaign or the DA to drop their 404 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 3: ad about the premiere of houting and that comment about 405 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: going to a tells to take a shower that the 406 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: minute you even try and challenge that, legally, you are 407 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: keeping it alive, that public narrative. So is it really 408 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: a smart move? Is it a smart move or even 409 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 3: and I'm talking politically speaking here because even people who 410 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 3: are mayors who are working in government they think in 411 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: political lines as well. Politically speaking, do you think it 412 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: actually works for Dadamo to go to where Helen Ziloh 413 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: is and say, okay, now we are going to fix it. 414 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: You've just proven her point. You have just proven a point. 415 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 3: So my response to you, my brother, is it's not 416 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 3: that you are Zelen Zille special. That's why no. 417 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: No. 418 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: She is a famous politician who's campaigning to be mayor 419 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: in Johannespeck. She's using the issues that face you and 420 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: many other citizens of this province or of the city. 421 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: She's using those issues to appeal to the administration that's 422 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: in charge to do something about it, and in that way, 423 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: issue demonstrates that they're failing. She's going to bring about change, 424 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: whether you believe that or not. That's the campaign that 425 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: she's running. And what I'm asking you this morning is 426 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: does that Do you relate to that or do you 427 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: think that's just gimmicks? Do you think about the ideology 428 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: of a politician and their political party or do you 429 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: think more about bread and butter issues? What is actually 430 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: immediately affecting me right now? 431 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 4: Semi? You're calling us from Centurion, what are your thoughts? 432 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 6: High Kevin, I don't buy into Helen's Zila's chemmicks. 433 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 434 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 6: I don't buy into Helen's chemics. But in case, I 435 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 6: was stillfud for the tay because the only one is 436 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 6: proving itself. I mean, she won and I watch in 437 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 6: two thousand leg the best man in the world out 438 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 6: of more than two hundred mayors. That's to a record 439 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 6: of lead. So she can do all she wants. She 440 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 6: can go to them, she can go to out of space. 441 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 6: It is still not incress me. I'm still gonna vot 442 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: for it. Given give any record, then we create the 443 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 6: person's records. And people are saying still saying things like no, 444 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 6: we won't vote for the D because of the issue 445 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 6: clean show. Look, okay, I fine, Look we can talk 446 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 6: about the aen C and say you know what, but 447 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 6: just look at the agen C, the A n C 448 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 6: D that's themselves. They prefer to live in D G 449 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 6: runs arabs. 450 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 8: Right. 451 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 6: You look at the issue of the seche charge in 452 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 6: a Guru lean it just I think it does before 453 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 6: the five A n C and E s F watched 454 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 6: for that such charge to be put in d A 455 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 6: and excellency are the ones who opens that such charge 456 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 6: because the people we are not going to afford electricity. 457 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 6: Let's look at who's got the best interest of citizens 458 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 6: at hat and soup. We can this OUTDTAIT ideologies and 459 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 6: about Greece. Let's look at who's willing to deliver series 460 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 6: and say and divide service show. People are taking about 461 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 6: where DA runs there's no service in the townships. Well, 462 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 6: that's not the issue. It's a worldwide issue. Even if 463 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 6: you go to places like you will see you find 464 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 6: that in the townships there's very persivious to be virus. 465 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 6: We need to really look at the issue of why 466 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 6: why is it that in the townships there's persivice to 467 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 6: di virus? Because even if the agency is in west 468 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 6: you know, if. 469 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: You raise such an important point and and this is 470 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: this of course is not to say that the DA 471 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: has you know, a glorious track record, but you raise 472 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: an important point about because often people will say, yeah, 473 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: but look at what the day is doing in the 474 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: Western Cape. Okay, sure, let's look at the other parties 475 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: that are governing these metros, like what is the ANC 476 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: doing in the townships in and around how ding? Like 477 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: are those townships well cared for? Are they well serviced? 478 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: In fair what I'm going to try to get I 479 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: once had a conversation on the show about there were 480 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: two different reports that I mentioned and zincer Piace check 481 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: if you can help me out with this, But they 482 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: were comparing townships like kaylie Cha in the Western Cape 483 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: to townships like even alex Here in Johannesburg, and they 484 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: found out that even townships like Alex are worse off 485 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: than townships like in the Western Cape. 486 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 4: I need to find that report. 487 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: I think there were two different institutions that sort of 488 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: provided a report on that. The point here is to 489 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: your point, we speak about, oh, look at how the 490 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: DA services townships in the Western k but let's also 491 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: look at how the A and C services townships here 492 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: in how Ding. 493 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 4: What's their track record. 494 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 6: It's it's worse because you look at my mother in 495 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 6: in in in Extra from in terms of feelings and 496 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 6: feels run by the agency, the townships, the traffic lights 497 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 6: from them when I came when I came in in 498 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 6: In in two thousand and two, there were there were 499 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 6: classic lights. Right now there's no logo. There's no logo there. 500 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 6: And then like it's cameos in the in the agency runs. 501 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 6: They don't want to enforce. First of all, they don't 502 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 6: want to enforce bylaws because why they're going to use 503 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 6: jobs they're going to lose. They're going to use foods. 504 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 6: So you can you can click the DA only ones. 505 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 6: But let's get away the agency caverns as it doesn't 506 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 6: deliver service for any one. So the d you can 507 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 6: say they deliver in subabs Okay, find they delivered there, 508 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 6: but agency word does it delivery? It doesn't deliver. 509 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Things? 510 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: Say yeah, come, I'm sure they do deliver in some way, 511 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: just not to to the settus factory level of many 512 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: or some South Africans. Hey, Semi in Centurion, thank you 513 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: so much. Let me know what Semi is raising here. 514 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: Let me know what you think of what he's raising. 515 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: Because when we talk about what's the DA's track record 516 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: in the townships, I'm in the Western Cape. Do we 517 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: talk about the ANC's record in other townships. Let's take 518 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: Houting for instance. And I'm not suggesting here that the 519 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: DA has not abandoned you know, townships and doesn't respond 520 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: in an equal amount of effort to how it responds 521 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: to subabean issues in the Western Cape. I'm trying to 522 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 3: figure out are we fair enough to compare also the 523 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: township life here in crowding and maybe you live in 524 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: a township, maybe you have grown up in a township. 525 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: Let me know how life was, how different was it? 526 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: Did you pick up that there was completely no service delivery? 527 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: Did you pick up that the ANC is actually managed 528 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: to provide services and improve some of the townships in around. Howdy, 529 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: let me know what your lived experience is, what your 530 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: observation has been? Oh one, one, eight, eight, three oh 531 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: seven or two? More of your cause and WhatsApps after 532 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: the break? Thirteen before ten, your voice, your. 533 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 4: Station, your olt in line, walk at all with clements. 534 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: On seven eighteen, ten minutes before ten. Outlook, Tulanni, you 535 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: are in Centurion. Good morning, I clean? 536 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 7: How are you? 537 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 4: I was doing today? 538 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 24: I would rather be the DA any day than anybody 539 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 24: from the A and see. And I'm not convinced. Clement I 540 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 24: still romain unconvinced that the DA is actually indeed neglecting 541 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 24: townships in the Western Cape, and yet to be convinced. 542 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 24: Perhaps there's empirical observations and maybe evidence that people can 543 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 24: put forward, but indeed they are ignoring or neglecting townships 544 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 24: in the Western Cape. But the reality of the matter 545 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 24: is that in Johannesbeck and where we live, at least 546 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 24: the time ships from which we come, we know for 547 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 24: a fact that there was complete neglects. And I don't 548 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 24: know who tamoreros pr team are. They should not have 549 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 24: recorded whatever message that he did after they have sected 550 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 24: that day because that does just peg fired. 551 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 4: Cirro was a political blender. 552 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 25: It was a complete blender and it has that fired badly. 553 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 25: The pragato, the pragado with which they speak is what 554 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 25: annoys me. That's what annoys me about the NC. Look 555 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 25: at that nest that they had put at a Guru 556 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 25: Leni as as a municipal manager and miss and MARCHHAWSI 557 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 25: I think it is henny. I mean what has killed 558 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 25: the NC is that they have put people who are 559 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,479 Speaker 25: kids competent to incompetent. As long as you're a member 560 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 25: of the n C, you'll carry a position. And I 561 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 25: think that is what has killed STEM. So I'd rather 562 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 25: miss allen Zella corpo ZiLs. You've put it fan anybody 563 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 25: who's going to come here and not deliver. 564 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 4: Okay toil Annie drag. What does that mean? 565 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 25: It's the arrogance with which people speak. 566 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 3: It's oh bragadocio, Oh interesting, we learn, Thank you to 567 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 3: learn it. 568 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 4: Thank you for a call in Centurion. What's apps? Also 569 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 4: seven two and seven o two more instruments. 570 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 26: I just wanted to respond to one of the things 571 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 26: you said about reports that were compiled by institutions comparing townships. 572 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 4: I think what you need to be careful about is 573 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 4: relying on on on. 574 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 26: On staff that is produced by the aligned sort of 575 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 26: insue we know them, your race relations and and I 576 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 26: a run others day to this from time to time, 577 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 26: and you have to be careful when you readsch because 578 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 26: those things are biased. So I'm not saying it was alive, 579 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 26: but I'm saying, look at the institution doing that and 580 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 26: then compare Thank one Midran. 581 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I do do that. 582 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 3: In fact, none of these are two institutions I'm talking 583 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 3: about were aligned in any way to the Democratic Alliance. 584 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 3: I know the institutions you're talking about because historically we've 585 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 3: seen some kind of links between them and the organization. 586 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: I will find them for you, and if it means 587 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 3: we must maybe even have this chat on the Thursday 588 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 3: dialogue tomorrow, I'm happy for us to do that. But 589 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 3: I know two specific independent organizations. I'll find them for you, 590 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: and hopefully if I do that before there we wrap 591 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 3: up the open and I'll tell you what they are. 592 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 3: They are independent institutions. They've gone and done research on 593 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: the ground and looked and compared the different townships in 594 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 3: the different provinces to figure out whether it is in 595 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: the true that where the DA governs townships are forgotten 596 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 3: and less service than where the A in C governs. 597 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 27: You know, Clement, all of these antics to Scuba. 598 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 4: I'm not moved by it. 599 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 27: It's cute you run a Mandani type campaign with APEC 600 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 27: type money, but I'm not moved by it because every 601 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 27: weekend in the province where her per party has the majority, 602 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 27: black and colored men are dying in gang shootouts. It's 603 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 27: not mass shootings. So now I'm not really worried about 604 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 27: the holes in the road. I'm more worried about the 605 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 27: holes and the black bodies that keep dropping every single 606 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 27: day in her province. So she mustn't come here tell 607 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 27: me something about safety that you can do. But pothole 608 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 27: are we dodge those? Unfortunately, there are people who can't 609 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 27: dodge bullets. 610 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you dodge potholes. You're so lucky. 611 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 3: I don't know how much money I've spent just in 612 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: the last three years fixing my tires and getting new 613 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: tires because of how they were messed up by portholes. 614 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 3: I get a borough point you're raising about the issue 615 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 3: of crime. Did you say Mandanny campaign with APEC kind 616 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 3: of money. I think that's a mismatch. My friend, go 617 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 3: and check out Mandanni and his links to APEC. I 618 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: don't know if you're going to fundamentally find the links, 619 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 3: because in fact, what he stands for, you could argue 620 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 3: it's opposite to what APEC stands for. 621 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 4: Check that out. 622 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 28: Good morning, good man, mister Clement, Mister Clement, can you 623 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 28: please direct goc Helen's a lot to come to Davidane. 624 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 28: David Dane, there's a not it's actually a damn when 625 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 28: it rains. It's not a porthole, it's a damn a lake. 626 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 28: We call it to Kumbi Lake. Anyone who stays in 627 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 28: David will tell you about dead place, Nokas crosses. 628 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,919 Speaker 1: De nothing nothing, nothing, nothing goes there. 629 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 2: Nothing. 630 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 28: Please directed to come there, goomby, goom be strict. Then 631 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 28: after the graveyard there's a damn day. We call it 632 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 28: the gooby tell their way. They take it the exchange 633 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 28: passengers that goes to Mayfield, others are going to a 634 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 28: more David on Mall. 635 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 7: I think you. 636 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 29: Good morning Clement and listeners. Uh you know, Clement, there's 637 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 29: someone that says, after everything is done and tasted, DA 638 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 29: will have all white executives in those positions, and I 639 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 29: was wondering how many white people are in the executives 640 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 29: currently or what matters? Is it a race issue or 641 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 29: getting things done in the city. 642 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 26: My Clement. You know, I just heard a couple of 643 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 26: callers speaking about the One said the DA uses black 644 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 26: people as a pedestal and the other said they're not 645 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 26: interested in I think social injustice and so forth and 646 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 26: so forth. Unfortunately, while I agree with them, what choice 647 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 26: do we have? We're talking about social justice. The A 648 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 26: and C is perpetrating social injustice, So what choice do 649 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 26: you have at this point? We just want services to 650 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 26: be delivered. Ideologies maybe can follow, but A and C 651 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 26: is not delivering one ideologies. 652 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 4: So what choices do we have? 653 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: High Clement? 654 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 30: So you, ah, Clement, our will forever be stuck in 655 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 30: the race issue while there's no service delivery. 656 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: Can't we wake up? It's time to deliver the services 657 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: to the people. 658 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 30: Let's discuss the race issues some other time, because that's 659 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 30: what's been holding South Africa by race issue always. 660 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: When it comes to save this delivery, people who come 661 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: with a race issue. It doesn't matter who's in. 662 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 30: Power now as long as we deliver the services to 663 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 30: the people, that's the only thing that we want. And 664 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 30: A and C is feeling us. The same ANC that's 665 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 30: standing for the people is feeling us. So what is 666 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 30: it that you're looking for, mister Lemons? 667 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 4: Good morning? 668 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: The tactic she's using, it's very good. 669 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 13: I like it. 670 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 4: And can she be a mayor already? 671 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 31: Can she be a mayor already so that she can 672 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 31: deal with a lot of things that are happening and 673 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 31: they're not good. You ask yourself about the when last 674 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 31: did you see I don't even remember when last I. 675 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,959 Speaker 4: Saw the pig it up. 676 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 5: Track. 677 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 31: Let's try the green truck from pick it Up. I 678 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 31: don't even know when last I saw it. And that's 679 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 31: say this shows exactly that, uh this comrade, they've made 680 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 31: sure that all the tracks from pick it Up are 681 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 31: broken so that they can put their favorite contractors. So 682 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 31: gog Helen, please come and rescue us, Please cont deal 683 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 31: with it. The resphotals everywhere last one year. 684 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: Can't your voice your station, your anthemline? 685 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 3: And seven eighteen it's a minute before ten o'clock. Let's 686 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 3: drop up the seven or two open line with that's 687 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: what's a voice? Not good? 688 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 16: Morning, Mariam Major, Madam Major, you. 689 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 4: Know, I don't understand something. I don't know. Maybe it's me, 690 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 4: maybe I'm slow, or what. 691 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 11: I don't know. 692 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 32: I don't understand government people every time watch something that 693 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 32: is as obvious as that, as easy as it is 694 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 32: to get, like they can get those cars, check them 695 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 32: on the innative system, to check the registered in the whole, 696 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 32: the women's link. 697 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 4: They should have like an asset register. Maybe that thing 698 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 4: will not even take a. 699 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 33: Day, but every time you'll hear the investigating and all that. 700 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 33: I seriously have a problem with such things. I think 701 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 33: Liborna is a women's leak. They need to take this 702 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 33: woman to task immediately, not to wait and say we 703 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 33: are following process and following process for something that is obvious. 704 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't understand all these people are working like this. 705 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 4: It's import from Charisson. Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. 706 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 4: It's ten o'clock.