1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Saturday evening game at the DHL Stadium, a seven pm kickoff, 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: South Africa against South Africa. You see see what I 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: think about them. I think of them as national eras 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: rather than regional ones. The Stormers, the DHL Stormers against Edinburgh. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: And this is after a return to winning ways two 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: weeks in a row, you RC victories and bonus points 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: back to second place on the log. So John Dobson, 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: good afternoon. It's quiet satisfaction about number two on the 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: log and again doing the job, but not entirely satisfied 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: with the performance. You've been quoted as saying too many mistakes, 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: too many opportunities left untaken. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we what's brilliant about us at the 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: moment is that I think we number one or two 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: or two in the USC for twenty two media entries, 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: which means in a lot of our game model and 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: our per plan and our tax game well, but we 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: thirteenth for conversion rate at the moment, with exception of 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: the Bulls game. But say so over the whole season. 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: And this was a classic case because it was a 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: curious game. And I don't think the game in Pretoria 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: we were it wasn't one of that. Like I think 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: I said, it wasn't one of those big emotional, you know, 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: up against all odds sort of things. I think we 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: wanted to We wanted properly and played really well, and 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: this wasn't the sort of hangover game and it wasn't 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: that as luck an efforts. All the chaps were pleased 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: with themselves or not, you know, registering the g DS 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: stats or the battle rates that we measure, all that 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: sort of thing. They were there. They were there in 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: terms of intensity and a couple of times we threatened 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: to break the dragons, but we didn't. And I think 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: you know, when you score when the average under a 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: point per entry, then you then you were point around 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: about a point per entry. Then you you're making lots 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: of mistakes in the twenty two And I think the 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: reason was our modern function and we just tried, you know, 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you've seen the game, 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: but gave Damien Phillips is ridiculous chicken wing when we 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: would have waltzed over. I think that would have broken 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: the dragons. Got to be fair, they were tough, tough 41 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: Welsh team moved better than I thought, much better than 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: we give them credit for in the week, so it 43 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: wasn't disappointing that if I make it up in our 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: mental approach, disappointing in the execution. But there's much shorter answer. 45 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Edinburgh lost badly to the Lions. What was 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: it fifty odd to about fifteen or sixteen I think 47 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, But they have they have a 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: couple of players of greater repute coming back into the side, 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: so perhaps they won't be the walkover that the Lions 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: victory over them suggests they might be. In Cape Town. 51 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they were going for that game, 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: you know, because it was the week after Six Nations 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: and the Scottish players fall under Scotland's resting protocol, like 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: a guy like Frian Russell who plays in England. Didn't 55 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: they place to Scotland could play the next week, so 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: they had to rest all their internationals. Have you involved 57 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: in three six Nations games? You can't play? And I 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: know they definitely have their flown, you know. It's just 59 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: something that the descendant has great descendants of Mary, Queen 60 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: of Scotts, like Pierce Schumer, and they're all on their 61 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: way here, so I think they would have declaring last 62 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: chance saloon, which makes them dangerous and unfortunate. As much 63 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: as I try and motivate our guys, but the upside, 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: it's sometimes in rugby, the downside and motivates people, and 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: that's why we lose to Kimberly with people are desperate 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: to get out of the in Cimberly and so now 67 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: they're desperate, but they have the look they're flown. They're 68 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: flown internationals out. So I think it's a very different 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: game and I think unfortunate at seven and seven pm 70 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: on a on a in Cape Town and as we 71 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: headed towards autumn is also a very very different picture 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: to two o'clock at Ellis Park. So I'm expected something 73 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: a lot different picture unfortunately. 74 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: And you'll be expecting a different picture from your team 75 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: as well. 76 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Then we're going out 77 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: as a slightly different team, not not resting, just one 78 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: of two tweaks to tweek teeks to it. But we can't. 79 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: We have you know, we actually have seen this week 80 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: about the hunger game. You know, we've got this off 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: every this time. Last year, if we took exactly the 82 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: same round, we were twelve and we were fighting Jim 83 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: and when we got as this this this year, we second. 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: I mean, what an opportunity for us would we have 85 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: to take? I mean, as logic goes, if we we've 86 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: really worked it out, you know, we could drop a game. 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: But if it just logically, which are not gonna we 88 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: win every game? The times I could be first, you 89 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: certainly will be second, you know. So it's a huge 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: we haven't been in this position before. And there was 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: a Jan Rushow that combined log points if you look 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: at the history of the USC showed it to be 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: the other day at all the lock points in the 94 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: four USCS and it's lends to one Stormers too. So 95 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: it's like it's a big opportunity for us. And as say, 96 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: it's last year, I'm motivating by fear and we're running 97 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: out of runway and we're on the butt and all 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: this stuff. I don't know if these guys understand it, 99 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: but we have to be very different if we want 100 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: to do that. Take take what is a huge opportunity 101 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: for us. 102 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: Of course, we'll hope that the Sharks to us are 103 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: favor by beating Cardiff Rugby, who are up in the 104 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: top four with us. The Bulls against Munster, one hopes 105 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: that Munster will do a little better. So I mean, 106 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: we're in this difficult position of wanting South African teams 107 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: potentially sometimes to lose because in a week's time you 108 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: and I I hope we'll be sitting in a in 109 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: a pavement cafe in the city of Tulon enjoying a 110 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: glass of vandal rose. And then two weeks off the 111 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: champions then there's a two week rest and then there's Connacht, 112 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: another game that we should win, and then we get 113 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: to the big home game against against Glasgow. So you know, 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: if we keep this momentum going, win here five points, 115 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: do really well against Toulon and the Champions Cup, rest 116 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: up hammer Connacht, then we're feeling really good about Glasgow 117 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: and maybe cause a shock and you know things are 118 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: looking positive. 119 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is That is exactly, That is exactly 120 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: the plan, including that at last as you're going to 121 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: treat me with your euros as you've givet next week. 122 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: But that we that is we we we the dather game, 123 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: we owed Lasgar like we've been knocked out twice and 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: twice by them up in Scott's too. Now it's going 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: to be a massive game because they've got some extraordinary players. 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Carlstein was one of the best wings, you know, 127 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: the one you giants, what a game regular it's going 128 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: to be. But we have to get there with you know, 129 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: these next to RC ten points in the bag. And 130 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: I think that gaming to Long will give us massive 131 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: confidence and we could be going there. If we went 132 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: into Long, we could be going to just Darsgo the 133 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: week after next, you know a way. So it's but 134 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: we do we want to be there. We want to 135 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: get onto that last tour, not having to win in 136 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: Belfast or one in the games and knowing that we're 137 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: bringing a quarter final in a semi final to Cod time. 138 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: So that's yeah, solid, hold hard to the team whether 139 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: they remember it's you're you're going to find them up 140 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: next Friday night. So let's the other. 141 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: You said a couple of tweaks, not necessarily, And one 142 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: of the things about the last couple of weeks is, 143 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: and I don't know what it has to do with 144 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: having the captaincy taken away from him, but Sasha is 145 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: back to his best. He's he's running the game, he's 146 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: doing those individual bits of brilliance that only once in 147 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: a generation players like him can do so. And and 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: yeah it's it's individual before ormances are looking really good 149 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: at many levels. Perhaps team cohesion needs a bit of work. 150 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: What what can you tell us about the tweaks? 151 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Probably, uh, you know the one I can't give a little. 152 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: There's one that's going to be. Look, I'm going to 153 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: be in a bit of trouble for a couple of 154 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: the changes, the social media warriors that we uh, you know, well, 155 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: I wish for the old days. We had to write 156 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: to you know, A C. Parker wrote an article and 157 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: somebody had to write the letter letter to the editor. 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: Had to look at it nostalgic about those days because 159 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: it's not going to go you know, but worry could 160 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: come back in and you know, we'll probably give Devolt 161 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: run it to come up because we're thinking of the 162 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: of those conditions they're going to come with a huge 163 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: contestable game. Is that I stood. I went to the 164 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: field the other night at seven o'clock, you know, said 165 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: the eight o'clock, just to see what the conditions are like, 166 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, because the duke comes in and the mistif 167 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: for sea and then to be that's how we lost 168 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: to Osbury's at terms how we lost to Months at 169 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: Home a couple of years ago. So but yeah, I 170 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: want to build the Dan Dup and Ruined combination that's 171 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: still brand new. Sashion is coming right. I think the 172 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: captaincy was our city before was a mistake on my 173 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: part and I think I think we've seen the benefit 174 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: of that. Now let him just drive the game and 175 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: take his time, and that's it's a huge change for us. 176 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: And I think Dean three, I mean, the players vote 177 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: for man of the match, their own internal ones because 178 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: the guy make cape to On Smile Award. If we 179 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: only ever once had unanimous was last week with Deon 180 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: free at age thirty nine for twenty three twenty three 181 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: votes's let's also he's also brings a lot to the 182 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: leadership of the team. So I feel like a team 183 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: mentally is in a good space. Like I said, I 184 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: don't think we didn't pitch up last week. It's the 185 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: execution stuff. But I've got to go into the detail. 186 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: You can't just say he didn't execute. That's a tea shirt. 187 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: We didn't do good shape in the five meters out, 188 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: you know, more than work. That's the stuff we need 189 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: to get. 190 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: On top of and then the final question. I'm a 191 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: couple of listeners who've been you know, are like me regulars. 192 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: The absence of a working screen. One of the is 193 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: only one of the two screens, so they're both quite 194 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: small by comparison with I mean, I know that's not 195 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: a stormer's responsibility. I presume that is dhl's stadium responsibility. 196 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: But are there playing and so you know to facts that. 197 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So look, the odd ones came down quickly and 198 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: I've already read my fingers wrapped about saying something about 199 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: the field. So but they know they bought upgrading them dramatically, 200 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: which is quite exciting, and they investing quite it. But 201 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: it seems to be a real collective now to make 202 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: sure it's a world class field. So I don't have 203 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: that means the end of monster trucks or whatever, but 204 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: they'd be the bigger big screens coming. It's just frustrating 205 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: while that happens. 206 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: But they're they're underway, thank you very much. Indeed, Coach 207 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: John Dobson, that game, John, just before you go, perhaps 208 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: a slightly disappointing crowd against the Welsh. What's it looking 209 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: like a Saturday night? I probably probably not anywhere near full, 210 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: but be nice to have twenty five thirty to say. 211 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: I think so that opened opened tier two, which is 212 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: generally what it starts to get the numbers that you said. 213 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: I think the Sunday game was it was it didn't 214 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: didn't land and the dragons aren't for sex. Yes, so 215 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: it was a pretty We're still the best in the competition, 216 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: but I think opening tier two is probably means you're 217 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: heading towards the twenties, which is good. 218 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: John Dobson, coach of the Storm's kick off is at 219 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: seven p m.