WEBVTT - Open Line 0:00:04.809 --> 0:00:06.010 Your evenings on 702. 0:00:06.010 --> 0:00:11.250 Let's walk the talk with Aubrey Masango. 0:00:11.270 --> 0:00:14.270 Six minutes after 8 o'clock and welcome to the show 0:00:14.530 --> 0:00:16.389 on a Friday night and it's good to be in 0:00:16.430 --> 0:00:19.730 your company. I'm really, really looking forward to a great 0:00:19.770 --> 0:00:23.160 show tonight. So much to talk about, folks. And perhaps 0:00:23.180 --> 0:00:24.820 let me start off by saying please call in now. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.380 I know that we've got a lot to talk about 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.240 in the first hour and of course the first hour 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.019 is an open line. We call it your highs and lows. 0:00:35.580 --> 0:00:40.479 And call in now. The number to dial is 011-883-0702. 0:00:41.740 --> 0:00:44.040 We fly solo tonight, so we're not going to be 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.180 with Cape Talk tonight. It's just us. And I'm hoping 0:00:50.220 --> 0:00:55.640 that you'll join us as we have these conversations. I'm 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:00.540 also available on Twitter or X. I'm sorry, X. And 0:01:00.620 --> 0:01:03.540 my handle there is at Bra Aubrey. The WhatsApp line 0:01:03.580 --> 0:01:08.080 is also available for your short texts and, I suppose, 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:16.620 voice messages on 0727 021 702. I'm looking at my 0:01:16.670 --> 0:01:20.990 television screens. I see that the Minister of Home Affairs 0:01:21.250 --> 0:01:26.750 is speaking. Do you quickly want to jump over to that, please, 0:01:26.830 --> 0:01:29.530 so that we can just understand what it is that 0:01:29.569 --> 0:01:34.470 the Minister is saying? But that's a big story, of course, today. 0:01:36.569 --> 0:01:41.750 We are, I think he is on SABC News, is 0:01:41.790 --> 0:01:48.010 that right? Yeah. So we bring you this footage courtesy of, 0:01:48.210 --> 0:01:50.590 all right, it looks like he's gone. All right, let's 0:01:50.610 --> 0:01:53.720 let it go. Let's let it go. We'll have that conversation. 0:01:54.420 --> 0:01:56.000 In the second hour of the show, I'm going to 0:01:56.020 --> 0:02:00.360 be speaking to Dorada Latana. Group Chief Human Resources and 0:02:00.540 --> 0:02:05.400 Corporate Affairs Officer at Proconix Holdings. She'll be joining me 0:02:05.460 --> 0:02:08.220 in the second hour of the show in studio. Now, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.660 we speak to her, a respected human capital strategist, executive coach, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.480 and a corporate leader who serves as board member and 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.600 director and Group Chief Human Resources Officer and Corporate Affairs 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.380 Executive at Proconix Holdings. With a career spanning both the 0:02:25.460 --> 0:02:28.900 public and the private sectors across Australia, South Africa and beyond, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:35.600 she has championed transformation, talent development, organizational effectiveness, and people-centered leadership. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:41.480 Beyond the corporate world, Dora is a disability ambassador, columnist, counselor, 0:02:41.820 --> 0:02:46.380 and career coach dedicated to helping individuals and organizations unlock 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.940 their full potential. Her impressive academic and professional journey combined 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.029 with a passion for authentic leadership and human development has 0:02:55.070 --> 0:02:58.320 made her a leading voice on workplace culture, leadership, and 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.400 sustainable organizational success. She joins us this evening to reflect 0:03:02.460 --> 0:03:06.340 on the experiences that have shaped her career, the lessons 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.090 she has learned along the way, and what lies ahead 0:03:09.130 --> 0:03:13.650 in her journey of leadership and impact. In the third 0:03:13.730 --> 0:03:15.310 hour of the show, I'm going to be speaking to 0:03:15.330 --> 0:03:20.000 Ayanda McCoy, manager at Itlebole to When we talk about 0:03:20.030 --> 0:03:23.760 changing lives, sometimes it is the big gestures that make headlines, 0:03:23.820 --> 0:03:26.820 but often it is the consistent work happening in the 0:03:26.860 --> 0:03:34.820 communities that makes the greatest difference. It is driven by 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:39.300 the idea that meaningful change requires more than good intentions. 0:03:40.060 --> 0:03:43.340 It requires taking action where the need is greatest, where 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.860 the That means supporting livelihoods, creating opportunities for communities, or 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:53.260 helping restore dignity to people in vulnerable circumstances. That commitment 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.900 is now reaching the youngest patients at Krishani Paragwanath Academic Hospital, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.930 where the foundation is undertaking the refurbishment of a children's 0:04:02.990 --> 0:04:07.890 ward to create a more welcoming environment for children receiving treatment. 0:04:07.990 --> 0:04:11.690 So what does the foundation work look like beyond this 0:04:11.910 --> 0:04:15.610 latest project? And how does it turn its commitment to 0:04:15.650 --> 0:04:19.659 making a difference into tangible impact? We're joined by Ayanda Makoi, 0:04:20.420 --> 0:04:24.000 a manager at the Igbo Leite Foundation, to unpack the 0:04:24.100 --> 0:04:28.240 work they do and the motivation behind the initiative at Bara. Then, 0:04:28.260 --> 0:04:31.660 of course, the final hour of the show is your voices, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.779 your choices. This is how we bring the weekend in 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.990 through the vehicle of music. And we go down memory lane. 0:04:38.029 --> 0:04:43.089 We go down, I suppose... All of those sentimental moments 0:04:43.190 --> 0:04:46.789 that we've been through by way of music. Really looking 0:04:46.850 --> 0:04:50.029 forward to tonight's show. The number to dial is 011-883-0702. 0:04:50.050 --> 0:04:50.120 021-446-0567. 0:04:50.130 --> 0:04:53.029 Call in now. Do it now. You know how it gets, folks. 0:04:53.130 --> 0:04:54.860 And there's so much to talk about tonight. I. 0:05:10.210 --> 0:05:15.650 I want to start off by saying we who are interlocutors, 0:05:15.950 --> 0:05:30.740 we who are facilitators of conversation on platforms such as this, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:38.280 I want to say that we are not– oh, I 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.580 nearly forgot something. I nearly forgot to congratulate Judge Navi Pillay, 0:05:44.020 --> 0:05:48.100 who has won the Nobel Peace Prize, by the way. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:54.940 I wonder how President Trump feels about that. But it 0:05:54.960 --> 0:06:00.320 is Judge Navi Pillay who has done sterling work over 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:06.050 a lifetime of being an advocate for human rights on 0:06:06.130 --> 0:06:12.589 various spaces. She continues to champion human rights and has 0:06:12.690 --> 0:06:18.900 now been recognized with this great global accolade, the Nobel 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.560 Peace Prize. And all I can say is well done. 0:06:22.740 --> 0:06:27.299 Well done to her and well deserved. And I suppose 0:06:27.339 --> 0:06:30.140 this is something that we here in South Africa can 0:06:30.230 --> 0:06:34.789 be proud of. Somebody pointed out that while a South 0:06:34.850 --> 0:06:39.080 African wins a the Nobel Peace Prize, South Africa is 0:06:39.300 --> 0:06:43.300 on the brink, that we are at a precipice. We 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.029 are in a very, very difficult place at the moment 0:06:47.050 --> 0:06:51.030 as a country, as we deal with the difficulties of 0:06:51.089 --> 0:06:57.839 the issue of immigration. And of course, there is a lot, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.420 a lot of anger on the ground. There is a 0:07:01.420 --> 0:07:08.190 lot of of trepidation and doubt about the future of 0:07:08.350 --> 0:07:15.090 our country and our people. And I am with you 0:07:15.610 --> 0:07:20.330 as we face this difficult moment. I'm feeling it. I'm 0:07:20.450 --> 0:07:24.130 in it. I'm talking about it. And it's a very 0:07:24.170 --> 0:07:27.620 difficult time. It's a very difficult time for our country. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:30.980 Give me a call. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.060 011-883-0702. 0:07:34.250 --> 0:07:39.110 So I was saying that as the people who have 0:07:39.290 --> 0:07:47.130 been given the responsibility to facilitate conversations in this country, 0:07:47.550 --> 0:07:52.450 we bear a very, very big responsibility. One that is 0:07:52.510 --> 0:07:56.620 becoming more and more clearer to me that we need 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:02.960 to handle with the greatest care. Because in many ways 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.270 we set the tone for how we have conversations in 0:08:07.310 --> 0:08:11.020 this country. And sometimes we get it right and sometimes 0:08:11.060 --> 0:08:13.940 we get it wrong. We want to get it right. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.240 I think in all of the platforms of this country, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:25.250 from radio stations to podcasts to, and we're a country 0:08:25.290 --> 0:08:27.810 that is well known for conversation. We like to have 0:08:27.830 --> 0:08:32.010 a good conversation and talk. But I want to say this. 0:08:35.780 --> 0:08:40.330 that in order for us to deliver a quality product, 0:08:41.230 --> 0:08:45.370 in other words, a conversation where you and I can 0:08:45.410 --> 0:08:49.050 have a conversation, but the whole country can have a conversation, 0:08:50.510 --> 0:08:57.140 we have to tap into an authenticity that is very conscious. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.390 We've got to be very conscious. And by the way, We, 0:09:02.610 --> 0:09:06.089 as people who work on these various platforms, don't always agree. 0:09:07.630 --> 0:09:12.780 We have different opinions. We are strongly opinionated people. We read, 0:09:12.820 --> 0:09:17.460 we study, we talk to people that understand things better 0:09:17.500 --> 0:09:20.400 than us sometimes, and we make our own conclusions. We 0:09:20.540 --> 0:09:26.060 are very, very independent, opinionated people, and sometimes in the 0:09:26.100 --> 0:09:31.800 worst way of the word opinionated. whether it's myself, whether 0:09:31.860 --> 0:09:35.300 it's any of my colleagues on this platform, will have 0:09:35.460 --> 0:09:39.679 opinions and will express those opinions based on our understanding 0:09:39.860 --> 0:09:46.849 and knowledge and education, I suppose. We are not a 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:52.330 political party. We comment on the politics of the day, 0:09:52.390 --> 0:09:55.130 but we are not a political party. And as far 0:09:55.170 --> 0:09:58.510 as I know, we are not in any way affiliated 0:09:58.530 --> 0:10:03.819 to any political party or political notion. But we have 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:11.540 our own leanings, like you do. Whether it's myself, whether 0:10:11.580 --> 0:10:15.700 it's Clement, whether it's Bungani, whether it's Mandy, whether it's Rajon, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.460 or any of the other interlocutors on other radio stations, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.860 we are not here to say what you want us 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:30.839 to say. The reason why I say that is because 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.480 I'm watching a campaign against some of my colleagues, not 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.730 only here on this platforms, but, and by the way, 0:10:38.740 --> 0:10:44.260 it's happened to me many times. I've developed a very, 0:10:44.300 --> 0:10:48.340 very thick skin over the years, but it hurts. when 0:10:48.380 --> 0:10:51.420 people come after you because you've expressed a particular opinion. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.720 It really does. Believe it or not, I know for 0:10:56.780 --> 0:11:03.560 sure that it plays with your mental wellness, plays with 0:11:03.780 --> 0:11:07.480 all manner of things. And I suppose we understand that 0:11:07.540 --> 0:11:09.940 we are in the space and therefore it comes with that. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.869 We are not here to agree We are here to 0:11:17.910 --> 0:11:21.150 have a conversation. And where we agree, that's good. Where 0:11:21.170 --> 0:11:28.079 we disagree, that's also good. But I've seen how people 0:11:29.780 --> 0:11:34.260 will organize a campaign to try and destroy a particular person. 0:11:36.059 --> 0:11:40.300 It's sad to see. By the way, I'm not saying 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.660 that we are above criticism. Criticize us all you want, 0:11:44.820 --> 0:11:47.120 all you need to and And if we are wise, 0:11:47.179 --> 0:11:51.220 we will take that criticism. We will take it under advisement. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.329 We will take it seriously and we'll do whatever it 0:11:53.450 --> 0:11:57.230 is that we need to do. But don't criticize us 0:11:57.309 --> 0:11:59.530 because we didn't say what you wanted us to say. 0:11:59.570 --> 0:12:06.370 We are not your mouthpiece. For that, you have political parties. 0:12:07.290 --> 0:12:11.829 That's why they go on various different platforms and you 0:12:12.630 --> 0:12:15.690 hold them accountable for the promises they made for you. 0:12:15.950 --> 0:12:19.360 We're not politicians. We're not running for office. We're not 0:12:19.630 --> 0:12:22.920 trying to be popular with you to give us a vote. 0:12:25.140 --> 0:12:29.380 We are here because we are given the task of 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.660 starting a conversation and sometimes we prod and sometimes we 0:12:33.100 --> 0:12:38.500 express opinions that you might not like. But when there 0:12:38.660 --> 0:12:47.380 is a very clear media campaign against an interlocutor, whether 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:53.410 it's Faith Mangope at Metro FM, whether it is Obri 0:12:53.450 --> 0:12:58.970 Masango at 702 or Bongani Bima or any of the other, 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.459 that's playing the man and not the ball. And I 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.520 know that in this country we have enough intellectual elevation 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:14.600 to understand the difference. I know that we do. So 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.880 one of the things that happens sometimes is when we 0:13:17.020 --> 0:13:20.780 start to play the man and not the ball. It's 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:26.180 okay to disagree, folks. I think I had somebody almost 0:13:26.250 --> 0:13:29.910 apologize because they disagree with me on a particular point. No, 0:13:31.230 --> 0:13:33.709 we're not here to agree. We're here to have a 0:13:33.770 --> 0:13:41.000 conversation and do it as agreeably as possible. In other words, 0:13:41.010 --> 0:13:42.340 we don't have to agree, but we don't have to 0:13:42.380 --> 0:13:48.380 be disagreeable. So when I or any of my colleagues 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.980 on our platform or any other platform expresses an opinion 0:13:53.020 --> 0:14:00.569 that might not be popular, could we not organize campaigns 0:14:00.630 --> 0:14:09.210 to try and cancel them? That is so wrong. Take 0:14:09.270 --> 0:14:12.949 them on on the points that they make. Take them 0:14:13.230 --> 0:14:16.970 on on the rationality of their logic. Take them on, 0:14:17.090 --> 0:14:21.010 no problem. But when it becomes clear that there is 0:14:21.190 --> 0:14:26.359 a program to try and cancel somebody out purely on 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.960 the basis that they disagree with your point of view, 0:14:30.460 --> 0:14:37.240 that's a problem. So when we as colleagues, even here 0:14:37.340 --> 0:14:41.260 on 702, show disagreement on a particular point, it does 0:14:41.300 --> 0:14:43.300 not mean that we are fighting or hating each other. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.700 I've been watching how people have been stoking the idea 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:54.890 that there is beef between Clement and Bungani because of 0:14:54.930 --> 0:14:57.590 a disagreement and a bit of banter in the morning. 0:14:57.770 --> 0:15:02.489 That's not how it works. In fact, you should come 0:15:02.530 --> 0:15:05.380 into some of our staff meetings and see what a 0:15:05.550 --> 0:15:08.620 real disagreement is. And after that, we are still colleagues. 0:15:08.660 --> 0:15:12.340 We still love each other and respect each other. But 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:17.880 this wedge that is being shoved to try and push 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.630 a particular agenda is not right, folks. It's not right 0:15:22.690 --> 0:15:25.690 for our collective thinking. And I'm seeing the same thing 0:15:25.770 --> 0:15:33.760 against Faith Mangope. In fact, I'm seeing it more against 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.240 Faith Mangope than I'm seeing it anywhere else. Somebody has 0:15:37.260 --> 0:15:40.660 decided that there is going to be a campaign against her. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:49.580 It's a very, very unfortunate moment for South Africa's long-held 0:15:49.660 --> 0:15:57.180 tradition of robust conversation. I just wanted to say that. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:03.750 We don't have to agree. But we don't have to 0:16:03.870 --> 0:16:07.010 cancel each other just because we don't agree. That's not 0:16:07.190 --> 0:16:10.350 our way. And so I want to start off there. 0:16:12.490 --> 0:16:18.090 the conversation by saying, who is us? Because in a 0:16:18.130 --> 0:16:21.690 conversation with Clement Manatella and Bongani Bingwa this morning as 0:16:21.730 --> 0:16:26.680 they were having their morning banter, Clement talked about us 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:32.239 and Bongani asked the question, who is us? And I 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:38.320 think that is a pivotal question. Who is we? Who 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:43.610 is us? Now I belong to a very, very clearly 0:16:43.670 --> 0:16:46.350 defined idea of who is us. I'm a South African. 0:16:48.370 --> 0:16:54.060 I'm an African. And above all, I'm a human being. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.640 So when I'm speaking of us, I'm speaking about that. 0:17:02.020 --> 0:17:08.209 I'm a passionate South African. And I share that identity 0:17:08.270 --> 0:17:14.560 with other South Africans, some of whom are in a 0:17:14.619 --> 0:17:18.919 very different position in as far as the interpretation of 0:17:19.020 --> 0:17:26.689 history than I am. But they are my countrymen. And 0:17:26.710 --> 0:17:31.820 many of them don't look like me. And the majority 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:36.100 of them look like me. And whether or not they 0:17:36.180 --> 0:17:38.300 look like me or don't look like me, we share 0:17:38.340 --> 0:17:45.620 this identity that we are South African. These are my countrymen. 0:17:48.020 --> 0:17:51.659 These are South Africans. I share that identity with them. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.980 And I share deep, deep connections with them that perhaps 0:17:59.510 --> 0:18:05.050 some of my other identity levels don't understand. That I 0:18:05.109 --> 0:18:08.899 am an African. And I share a connection with other Africans. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:14.460 And many of them look like me. We share history. 0:18:14.500 --> 0:18:20.139 We share connections and culture. And perhaps even religion. But 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.090 that does not cancel out my South African-ness. And my 0:18:24.150 --> 0:18:27.770 connectedness to people who may not look like me. But 0:18:27.790 --> 0:18:35.080 are my compatriots and are my countrymen. I'm an African 0:18:35.859 --> 0:18:39.180 and sometimes my South African brothers and sisters don't understand 0:18:39.220 --> 0:18:49.530 that connection. It's a deep connection. I'm a human being. 0:18:52.609 --> 0:18:57.110 I'm a sentient being. I'm a spiritual being. I'm connected 0:18:57.230 --> 0:19:05.520 to the Chinaman. To the American. To the Ghanaian. to 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:12.340 the Burkinabe, to the Tunisian, to the Arab, to the Israeli. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.580 I am connected to them all because we share this 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:23.700 other identity of our humanity. And that makes things difficult. 0:19:28.190 --> 0:19:32.790 And that's why we must talk. And that's why people 0:19:32.830 --> 0:19:37.639 like me All of these people that I follow, some 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:45.430 of whom follow me. Reedy Tabi, Eusebius Macasa, John Robbie, 0:19:45.570 --> 0:19:48.550 all of these people that I follow, some of whom 0:19:48.609 --> 0:19:51.490 follow me, and a new tradition that has started the 0:19:51.530 --> 0:19:54.830 podcasting space. That's why we're there, so that we can talk. 0:19:56.050 --> 0:20:00.230 Because we could be doing something else, folks. And that 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.699 is unthinkable. So I open up the line so that 0:20:03.740 --> 0:20:06.700 you can talk about the developments today. It was interesting 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.859 to hear that The Minister of Home Affairs didn't know, 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.350 didn't know about the fact that a directive had been 0:20:18.369 --> 0:20:22.550 given to his department, Home Affairs, to start a process 0:20:24.130 --> 0:20:28.470 that has gotten South Africa fighting. Give me a call. 0:20:28.510 --> 0:20:30.330 I'd love to hear your thoughts about all of these. 0:20:32.930 --> 0:20:38.740 The Minister of Home Affairs, Minister Leon Schreiber, Did not know. 0:20:41.310 --> 0:20:41.790 How. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:47.129 His department. The department of home affairs. Was going to 0:20:47.210 --> 0:20:55.210 start a process. Of expressing. The directive. 0:20:56.710 --> 0:20:57.030 By. 0:20:57.550 --> 0:21:02.139 Constitutional. Court. He didn't know. I don't know if anybody 0:21:02.180 --> 0:21:08.290 saw that. The minister. Didn't know. that the people in 0:21:08.330 --> 0:21:11.830 his department were going to open up, as per the 0:21:11.869 --> 0:21:21.940 directive of the Constitutional Court, various centers to process asylum 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:32.280 and refugee applicants. He didn't know. I've been thinking about this, 0:21:32.340 --> 0:21:35.879 and I was wondering whether it's possible to have a 0:21:35.940 --> 0:21:40.020 coup in this country. And I tell you, I'm beginning 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:44.240 to think that it's very easy when our ministers don't 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:50.320 know that people who are under them, the bureaucrats, are 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.359 embarking on an operational process that he was not informed of. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:03.109 The minister admitted it to Clement today. Yes, it just passed. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.010 But that for me was a very, very scary moment. 0:22:08.030 --> 0:22:14.190 that minister Leon Schreiber did not know that a day 0:22:14.430 --> 0:22:17.369 after the directive of the constitutional court with regards to 0:22:17.390 --> 0:22:22.690 this refugee and asylum seekers, that his department was embarking 0:22:22.930 --> 0:22:29.649 on an operational process and administrative operational process to enliven 0:22:29.850 --> 0:22:34.330 that directive. Yeah. After the violence and after the protests 0:22:34.390 --> 0:22:36.950 and all of those things, we hear that that directive 0:22:36.990 --> 0:22:43.460 has been, um, has been pulled back. That doesn't mean 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:49.900 that it does not hold. And South Africans are still angry. 0:22:51.740 --> 0:22:55.540 Let's talk. 011-883-0702 is the number to dial. When I 0:22:55.580 --> 0:22:58.290 come back, I'll take your calls. 702. Call us on 011-883-0702. 0:23:04.980 --> 0:23:07.359 A couple of things coming out on the lines. A 0:23:07.420 --> 0:23:09.340 lot of people saying, oh, you've got to give people 0:23:09.380 --> 0:23:11.879 a chance to talk. Again, there are certain things that 0:23:11.980 --> 0:23:19.070 you are not aware of. And thank you for the confidence. 0:23:19.090 --> 0:23:22.730 Sometimes people think that, oh, there's a million people lining 0:23:22.770 --> 0:23:25.010 up to talk. And maybe sometimes the calls haven't come 0:23:25.050 --> 0:23:29.609 through yet. But I think that it is a sign 0:23:29.650 --> 0:23:32.220 of a vote of confidence. Yes, there's going to be calls. 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.369 So thank you. But sometimes the calls aren't there yet. 0:23:35.750 --> 0:23:39.550 Let me take some calls that are here already. Reggie 0:23:39.670 --> 0:23:42.030 is in, or Reggie is in Kurman. Hi, Reggie. 0:23:43.510 --> 0:23:44.350 Hello, Ops, how are you? 0:23:44.450 --> 0:23:46.030 I'm well, thank you. Reggie, what's on your mind? 0:23:47.750 --> 0:23:53.590 I just want to congratulate Judge Mabitile for winning the 0:23:53.609 --> 0:23:58.070 Nobel Peace Prize. Oh, I'm so proud of her. And 0:23:59.230 --> 0:24:03.320 I've just heard from the BBC that Donald Trump has 0:24:03.390 --> 0:24:09.000 imposed sanctions on the International Court, Criminal Court. Because remember, 0:24:09.020 --> 0:24:10.440 she was the judge there. 0:24:11.460 --> 0:24:11.760 Yeah. 0:24:12.900 --> 0:24:16.260 So you see how Trump does these things. He's like 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:17.640 an eight-year-old boy. 0:24:18.220 --> 0:24:20.830 You know, I used to think that. 0:24:24.190 --> 0:24:24.390 Okay. 0:24:24.410 --> 0:24:26.490 Let me say it this way. I used to really 0:24:26.550 --> 0:24:28.410 think that Trump is an evil man. 0:24:29.450 --> 0:24:29.650 Right? 0:24:30.850 --> 0:24:31.109 Yes. 0:24:32.090 --> 0:24:33.979 But I'm starting to think that he's not. 0:24:37.140 --> 0:24:43.899 Evil. He's just a very misguided man. I used to 0:24:43.940 --> 0:24:52.280 think that he was deeply evil. I'm beginning to think that, oh, shame, 0:24:52.300 --> 0:24:56.220 this is just a misguided guy with a very, very 0:24:56.330 --> 0:24:57.310 big ego. Yeah. 0:24:58.070 --> 0:24:58.330 Yeah. 0:24:58.350 --> 0:25:09.679 Yeah. No, I hear you, piggy. Yeah. All right, Reggie 0:25:09.859 --> 0:25:12.800 in Guruman, thanks very much for your call. Much appreciated. 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:20.780 I used to think that Trump was this evil, slimy man. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:24.700 I'm beginning to think he's just a very, very egotistical, 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:31.100 misguided man who doesn't have too many people around him 0:25:31.140 --> 0:25:37.330 that challenge his ego. Mandela Ake is in Deep Slot. Hi, 0:25:37.350 --> 0:25:37.810 Mandela Ake. 0:25:37.830 --> 0:25:41.630 Hey, Brobs. How are you today? 0:25:42.750 --> 0:25:45.530 Better, better, Mandela Ake. I'm doing good. Thanks. 0:25:47.030 --> 0:25:50.370 Yeah, I said to you last week, one of my 0:25:50.470 --> 0:25:55.580 friends said that Trump is like a toddler with a 0:25:56.100 --> 0:25:58.480 fully loaded rifle. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:25:58.800 Yeah. 0:25:58.820 --> 0:25:59.920 Which is really tough. 0:26:00.260 --> 0:26:00.460 Yeah. 0:26:00.500 --> 0:26:03.220 Because he is the president of a superpower. 0:26:03.420 --> 0:26:03.600 Yeah. 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.980 And you know what can happen to a toddler if 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:13.240 they are pumped up by something. They can be dangerous 0:26:13.340 --> 0:26:19.770 towards you who are they pumped up against. So I 0:26:19.810 --> 0:26:26.330 don't know how to name his character, but he's that 0:26:26.390 --> 0:26:32.700 type of a man. I wanted to talk about... I 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.000 wanted to talk about what is happening in South Africa. 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:40.290 And being a patriot myself, someone who is very passionate 0:26:40.350 --> 0:26:46.149 about South Africa, I condemn what is happening. The burning 0:26:46.190 --> 0:26:49.890 of the cars, the looting, the burning of the buildings, 0:26:50.150 --> 0:26:55.750 the violence against our brothers. I condemn it. But I'm 0:26:55.810 --> 0:27:00.619 afraid there is no way to be listened to in 0:27:00.700 --> 0:27:06.040 South Africa if You don't take that route. And this 0:27:06.220 --> 0:27:13.800 thing of unskilled, illegal foreigners being forced in our throat 0:27:13.900 --> 0:27:18.460 and being pushed in our communities by people who don't 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:23.340 even live in those communities is going to be a 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.540 big problem. I don't know what they want to see 0:27:25.740 --> 0:27:29.810 at the end of the day. And I want to say, perhaps, 0:27:30.490 --> 0:27:35.270 I worry too much for people like you, Faith Mangope, 0:27:37.070 --> 0:27:41.230 Tabiso with an extra O. Those are the presenters that 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:46.379 I know that they sympathize with the South Africans. Now, 0:27:46.859 --> 0:27:52.940 a person like Faith Mangope is hired by SAPC. So, 0:27:54.500 --> 0:27:58.270 there are those in the media who are ridiculing South Africans. 0:27:59.910 --> 0:28:03.310 That side, when you are ridiculing South Africans, you can 0:28:03.350 --> 0:28:07.780 never be counseled. You can never be counseled, but if 0:28:07.890 --> 0:28:14.160 you dare want to sympathize with South Africans, ordinary South Africans, 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.800 we know that you are in a position that you 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.350 can just enjoy the benefits of what is happening in 0:28:22.410 --> 0:28:27.280 South Africa. You know, but it comes with your principle 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.240 and exactly from your heart to stand for South Africans. 0:28:31.460 --> 0:28:36.060 And people like that in this time, they are being targeted. 0:28:36.140 --> 0:28:43.970 And I think we normally choose ENCA of a lot 0:28:43.990 --> 0:28:47.790 of things, you know, maybe racism as well. But I 0:28:47.930 --> 0:28:52.710 think we have to give them their flowers because they 0:28:52.770 --> 0:28:56.110 have been fair, you know, uh, they have been fair 0:28:56.270 --> 0:29:01.910 and allowing everyone, um, to, to, to voice their. 0:29:01.950 --> 0:29:03.090 Voice, uh, praops. 0:29:04.730 --> 0:29:07.090 Andilake, in deep slur, thanks very much for your call, 0:29:07.130 --> 0:29:13.360 much appreciated. Uh, let me speak to Samgelo in Kakhiso. Samgelo, hi. 0:29:13.380 --> 0:29:16.260 Hi, praops, how are you? 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.580 I'm very well, Samgelo, what's on your mind, sir? 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.600 Hi, uh, um. 0:29:22.260 --> 0:29:27.760 I wanted to talk about the illegal immigration crisis that 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:32.110 we are currently facing. I would like to say that 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:41.030 our leaders, lawmakers, parliamentarians, they are out of touch with 0:29:41.070 --> 0:29:47.580 the reality. I'm of the view that since they are 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:52.760 living there in the suburbs and not in townships, they 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:58.640 discard the poor people because Those who are living in 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:03.680 townships have been crying for a very long time, saying 0:30:03.740 --> 0:30:11.530 that this thing of taking in illegal immigrants into the 0:30:11.590 --> 0:30:22.940 country is not substantial. The resources are not there to 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:30.300 welcome everyone. So now these lawmakers, as Michael Jackson said, 0:30:30.900 --> 0:30:36.060 they don't really care about us, you see, perhaps. So 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.540 I'd like to think that if they really care about us, 0:30:40.620 --> 0:30:44.740 they should go and read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, 0:30:45.180 --> 0:30:50.310 and then they must amend some of the laws that 0:30:50.350 --> 0:31:02.040 were made in the 1990s after the 1994, the Newton Democrats. 0:31:02.620 --> 0:31:05.840 And I'd like to add that you see in China, 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.460 before 50 years ago, I think in the 1970s, they 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.580 were the poorest of the poorest, and they had a 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:21.190 population of, I think, about 3 billion people. But in 0:31:21.210 --> 0:31:24.850 the last 50 years, they managed to become the second 0:31:25.190 --> 0:31:30.209 richest economy in the world. So the question is, are 0:31:30.990 --> 0:31:35.950 our leaders willing to make this country great again? Are 0:31:36.110 --> 0:31:41.650 they willing to change the policies? And the answer to 0:31:42.230 --> 0:31:46.100 that question for me, I say they are not willing, 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.020 because if They are willing. We could change this country. 0:31:49.940 --> 0:31:52.920 We are tired of hearing we are a young democracy. 0:31:54.090 --> 0:31:55.070 Who is we, Samge? 0:31:58.870 --> 0:32:03.990 South Africans. Me and the other people who are living 0:32:04.030 --> 0:32:08.770 in townships. When we talk about this government, sometimes we 0:32:08.850 --> 0:32:14.060 hear about our leaders telling us that this democracy of 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:20.510 ours South African democracy is young, 30 years young, but 0:32:20.670 --> 0:32:26.310